COLLECTIVE MADNESS


“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Friday, November 14, 2008

Medvedev and Obama Negotiating Missile Defense

Medvedev said he had spoken with Obama by telephone and hoped to meet him in person soon.

"We hope to create frank and honest relations with the new administration and resolve problems that we were not able to resolve with the current administration," said Medvedev.


It looks as if our community organizer in chief wants to make a big splash fast. He and Medvedev are already chatting by phone and signaling negotiating points. It is almost too absurd to believe that Obama could be so rash and so foolish to even allow a hint of something so potentially dangerous, but if you look at some of the other dangerous liaisons Obama has maintained over the years, this should be no surprise.

The country in all it's foolishness has turned presidential leadership to an untested, untrained, unknown and otherwise unqualified enigmatic figure. Putin, through his wag Medvedev, is moving quickly sensing the naivete of the man.


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Medvedev: ready to respond if U.S. ends missile plan

Thu Nov 13, 2008

PARIS (Reuters) -
Russia could cancel its deployment of missiles near the Polish border if U.S. President-elect Barack Obama scraps plans for a missile defense system in central Europe, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said.

In an interview with French daily newspaper Le Figaro published on Thursday, Medvedev said Moscow had no choice but to react to U.S. plans to set up a network of missiles and radar systems near its own frontiers.

"But we are ready to abandon this decision to deploy the missiles in Kaliningrad if the new American administration, after analyzing the real usefulness of a system to respond to 'rogue states', decides to abandon its anti-missile system," he said.

"We are ready to negotiate a 'zero option'. We are ready to reflect on a system of global security with the United States, the countries of the European Union and the Russian Federation."

Washington says the missile defense system it plans to set up in Poland and the Czech Republic is needed to protect the United States against missile strikes from what it calls rogue states, notably Iran.

Russia believes the system poses a threat to its security and last week announced plans to deploy Iskander tactical missiles in the Kaliningrad region bordering Poland in response.

Medvedev said he had spoken with Obama by telephone and hoped to meet him in person soon.

"We hope to create frank and honest relations with the new administration and resolve problems that we were not able to resolve with the current administration," he said.

Asked about his response to the global financial crisis, which has hit the Russian banking sector hard, Medvedev said there had been a flight of capital out of Russia and moves to protect key banks and private savings were necessary.

He said the government might take stakes in certain banks, as had been done in the United States and Britain but he said "nationalization is not the solution" and added that any government stakes would be sold as soon as possible.


(Writing by James Mackenzie; Editing by Louise Ireland)



70 comments:

  1. uhh, that was a joke back there. Hope everyone hasn't lost their sense of humor.

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  2. Had me scared, Sam.

    Bob did pretty well. Left Rat to engage in his own one-man bar fight, it seemed, for the most part. Or I slept through the best of it.

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  3. The news this morning:

    The Eurozone, led by Germany (the world's fourth largest economy) enters recession.

    Putin tempts Europe with the lure of cheaper gas rates.

    Gordon Brown comes to the US calling for world governments to lower taxes.

    ****************************************************

    Doom and gloom over the natural cycles. A new generation will be introduced to the downside of life. The danger to the US economy is that the bailout "cures" have little or no effect other than a legacy of staggering debt.

    It's said that Putin simply wants to keep his customers happy. Yeah, right. that's it! Putin the beneficient.

    Poor 'ol Obama. Finally a seat at the table only to find the cupboards bare. It won't take long to see how radical the man actually is but with the great Congressional intellects, Reed and Pelosi, the mischief could be lasting and irreparable.

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  4. Shit, lineman, I slept through it, too.

    As mentioned in a Time article, just today, it draws reference to what we, I, touched upon, yesterday.

    In America, political majorities live or die at the intersection of two public yearnings: for freedom and for order. A century ago, in the Progressive Era, modern American liberalism was born, in historian Robert Wiebe's words, as a "search for order."

    And look how those "progressive" reforms in Government have turned out. Some for the good, but some not so. The republican genius of the Founders slips ever further away.

    We will progress even further, driven by the Team Zero.

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  5. I knew there was something odd about this press release with Medeved. Recall that Sarkozy of France and Obama were hitting it off so well. Guess what just rolled off the press:

    France's Sarkozy says US missile system would not help European security
    By Associated Press

    7:24 AM EST, November 14, 2008

    NICE, France (AP) _ France's President Nicolas Sarkozy says putting a missile defense system in Europe would do nothing to help European security.

    Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev is arguing against any unilateral moves such as the U.S. plan to put missile defense facilities in Poland and the Czech Republic.

    The two presidents were speaking Friday after an EU-Russia summit in Nice.

    Sarkozy said missile defense facilities in Europe would only complicate the situation and do "nothing" for Europe's security.

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  6. Medvedev

    Obama wants to shore up his European (read French and German) credentials.

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  7. I guess no one explained to Ohno that the missile shield would work quite nicely against any Pakistani missiles.

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  8. So, who wants to be SecState in the next admin? You gotta NOT want that job, unless you're Bill Richardson or John Kerry, neither of whom are fit for it anyhow. State's supposed to be the big gig, given the magic pony dreams of this election. You need a Kissinger to fill that bill and State hasn't had that kind of push and pull, that general purpose cache, since...Kissinger.

    I can see Obama being his own SecState. THAT would be hilarious.

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  9. Dennis Ross. He might take it.

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  10. The word is Hillary. Obama has probably calculated that he may have a rough four years. Exit polls showed that Hillary would actually done better than Obama so why not short circuit that problem. At least that would spare us from that horses ass Richardson.

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  11. Hillary could maintain the great gams on US SecStates established by Madeline Albright.

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  12. LOL



    No, seriously, I don't see either Hillary's or Obama's motivation for her appointment.

    And if you're smart enough to keep on Gates, you're at least smart enough not to send Kerry or Richardson to Foggy Bottom at that pay grade.

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  13. And if you're smart enough to keep on Gates (on the conditions that he set on his agreement)...



    Hayden will be a sacrifice to Progressive pieties concerning FISA. But that appointment just may come from within.

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  14. Nakedcapitalism:

    Thursday, November 13, 2008
    Factory Closings and Unrest in China
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    This front page New York Times story on factory closings in the Pearl River delta covers ground already discussed in some detail on this blog. However, its report gives more detail on the resulting labor unrest.

    From the New York Times:

    For decades, the steamy Pearl River Delta area of southern Guangdong Province served as a primary engine for China’s astounding economic growth. But an export slowdown that began earlier this year and that has been magnified by the global financial crisis of recent months is contributing to the shutdown of tens of thousands of small and mid-size factories here and in other coastal regions, forcing laborers to scramble for other jobs or return home to the countryside....The slowdown in exports contributed to the closing of at least 67,000 factories across China in the first half of the year, according to government statistics. Labor disputes and protests over lost back wages have surged, igniting fear in local officials.

    After the shutdown of their shoe factory, called Weixu in Chinese and China Top Industries in English, Mr. Wang and some co-workers took to the streets in protest, demanding two months of back pay, or $440 on average. The government called in the riot police....

    Under pressure from Beijing to maintain social stability, local officials are also trying to tamp down unrest by doling out back wages. Here in Chang’an, after the worker protest, the government shelled out more than $1 million to pay back wages to most of the workers at the shoe factory. (Mr. Wang and some other laborers say they are still without back pay.)

    The slowdown in exports has accelerated a major shift in the nature of Chinese manufacturing: small factories that were already being pinched by rising costs of labor, transportation and raw materials, as well as by the appreciating yuan, are closing en masse....

    “There’s very serious damage being done down there, I don’t deny it, and I think it’ll get worse because we haven’t seen the full impact of the economic downturn in Europe,” said Arthur Kroeber, managing director of Dragonomics, an economic research and advisory firm based in Beijing. “I think next year we might see export growth in the country as a whole go down to 0 percent.”

    The export sector is still growing but has slowed considerably; year-on-year growth was at 9 percent in October compared with 26 percent in September 2007, Mr. Kroeber said.

    The social problems arising from the slowdown have stirred anxiety in the top leadership of the Communist Party, whose legitimacy is based on maintaining economic growth. Prime Minister Wen Jiabao is pushing for policies that will increase domestic consumer consumption to wean China off its reliance on exports. Last Sunday, the government unveiled a stimulus package worth $586 billion over the next two years — the largest ever announced in China — to help create jobs, mostly by building new transportation infrastructure.

    Foreign governments expecting China to take the lead in addressing the global crisis will be disappointed, say analysts and scholars. Chinese officials say they are focused on trying to ease domestic problems and keeping the country’s annual growth rate above 8 percent, which they see as vital to generating enough new jobs. Some analysts say economic expansion could drop to as little as 5.8 percent in the fourth quarter this year, down from about 11 percent in 2007.

    “I think China foresees that it’ll need to spend a lot of money to get itself out of the current domestic situation,” said Victor Shih, an assistant professor of political science at Northwestern University who studies the political economy of China. “On the global financial crisis, China will not take a leading role.”

    The mass layoffs have led to a profound change in the movements this year of migrant workers like Mr. Wang who spend virtually the entire year away from home. Many are heading home early for the Chinese New Year, in late January, and say they might not return to work in the coastal regions. A worker in the railway station in Guangzhou said that from Oct. 11 to Oct. 27, there were 1.17 million passengers on trains leaving the station, an increase of 129,000 over the same period last year. There have been reports of a similar jump in other regions.

    [...]

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  15. A buddy of mine just got back from China. He was in Guangzhou, I believe, and he said the sky was a nice clear blue. He mentioned to his Chinese...associate...that he was under the impression the sky was never clear in Guangzhou. The reply "Oh, all the factories are shutdown."

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  16. "...associate..." C'mon, ash. Plain language.


    Medvedev dropping in on Caracas and Havana this month. "You can be my body guard and I can be your long lost pal..."

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  17. Obama's gonna have a hard time indeed competing for the affections of our neighbor.

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  18. Yeah, I was searching for the right word. My buddy is the husband of a high ranking banker who was there for meetings. They have local folk who help them get around at times. We were also talking about how much freedom he had to travel whilst there: i.e. he went to Nanking and simply went up to an automated machine and bought a train ticket and, presumably, any Chinese person could as well. When I was there almost 20 years ago there was no way that could happen. Local Chinese folk needed permission to travel outside of their immediate locale and us foreigners had to navigate some pretty tricky lines and logistics at times. Anyway, all just anecdotal stuff.

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  19. How about Dennis Kucinich for Secretary of State, if we're going to go for it.

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  20. Twenty years ago. How old were you?

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  21. Kucinich! That just might do it, bob. But the guy can't come down here empty-handed, for crying out loud. Medvedev's already promised a friggin' sub to Bolivar Jr. How do you beat that?

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  22. Twenty years ago I would have been around 40.

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  23. Kucinich claimed to have had a UFO experience of some kind, making a play for the Art Bell crowd. This experience might be worth something in the dangerous world of international relations. Don't cout Dennis out.

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  24. It was an interesting trip. A university friend had been over there for a number of years teaching English when an associate of his smashed his head in a drunken gall and ended up in a local hospital for quite a long time. In China the family feeds and cares for the patient and the doctors simply do health care proper. This guy had no family so his associated provided that function. My friend met and fell in love with a Chinese doctor. I got a wedding invitation and I couldn't pass up that opportunity so my girlfriend at the time and I journeyed into the middle of Hunan province to a rural town outside of Changsha called Xiantan (I think) and attended the traditional wedding. We then traveled with them to Sanya on Hainan Island. We were the only ones from the 'West' to make the wedding. It was truly an interesting trip staying in the family homes at times all this the January after Tiananmen Square protests. Incidentally, the brides brother was involved in those protests.

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  25. We have quite a few Chinese students at the University of Idaho, and also at Lewis Clark State College. I'm not exactly sure what they do at LCSC though, take some language classes, I quess. I really don't know what kind of degree they'd get there, other than auto mechanics. LCSC is a four year school now, a full university, but it struggles along, trying to fill a niche here and there that others don't. We also have a good number of Russians here, but I don't really know any of them. I'm not sure what their story is, or how they got here, but there might be 3 or 4 hundred of them.

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  26. I will certainly keep him in my thoughts, bob.




    I've not been, ash. I daresay E Asia is a region I've seldom had more than cursory interest in, partly because I've never had to.

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  27. Since the Election 2008 (11/4) in America look at all the change we have seen...

    so much in such a short period of time...

    funny one story goes still un-noticed and under reported...

    Hamas as shot rockets, in ever increasing numbers, into Israel for 10 straight days...

    After sending congrats to the new Prez-elect, (all praise the great one's name.. OBAMA) Hamas is breaking their so-called cease fire of several months (to which ONLY 60 rockets or so were fired) to attack another nation in an act of war....

    war or LIBERATION...

    Robert Malley.... LOOK it UP////

    \LIBERATION

    SCARY STUFF

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  28. They must have a good Russian recruiting program, bob.

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  29. 2164th: Hillary could maintain the great gams on US SecStates established by Madeline Albright.

    Speak softly and goose-step around on a thunderous pair of sticks.

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  30. I don't think the Russians here really have anything to do with the universities. I think they just kind of escaped Russia somehow back in the bad old days, and ended up here, to start over. They are fully assimilated, speak English, just mix with the rest of the crowd.

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  31. TPM:

    ...some of the nation's top labor leaders gathered in DC yesterday to discuss a new campaign they're launching to secure passage of the Employee Free Choice Act, which would make it easier for workers to unionize in various ways. At the meeting, which was attended by top officials from the AFL-CIO and AFSCME, among others, the labor bigs talked about launching a huge nationwide field operation and the formation of a media fund to possibly go up on the air to push for the measure.

    It's worth noting that labor may in some ways play a different role this time than they did during the Clinton years. The big unions are hoping for a role more akin to the one they played during the campaign, staking out a populist left flank for the administration and helping push its evolving agenda.

    In other words, the big unions are envisioning more of a cooperative role with the administration than during the Clinton years, when the battles over NAFTA set up more of a confrontational situation. The more cooperative spirit is born largely of a sobering sense of just how big an opportunity the left and Dems have on their hands, and a desire not to blow it.



    Colombia weeps.

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  32. Whit: Poor 'ol Obama. Finally a seat at the table only to find the cupboards bare.

    President Bush still has two months in office, and you are gloating that he has left the cupboards bare for Obama? That's a good thing? They aren't even pretending to use the bailout money to buy bad mortgage securities anymore, they are giving taxpayer's money directly to banks now, and those same banks are putting the money in reserves, paying CEO bonuses, and shareholder dividends. It's the biggest looting of the national treasury in history, Bush is presiding over this mass theft while deficits balloon to near a trillion dollars (to spread the pain of this crime to future generations), but it's all good because now Obama won't have enough money left over to give to his pet causes. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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  33. Well here's some good news---

    Getting It Up In Mexico City

    Now if Ash can convince me our new natiional health plan will include this I might go for it.

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  34. sexual health for the elderly

    :)

    What I really think is, Great Nature has made us what we are, and, for the most part, it's best not to tamper with it.

    I think the elderly shouldn't try to hang on, but rather think about setting sail, set that sail for the other world, get the bank account in order, make a will, do some gardening, pet the dog, have a laugh.

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  35. Who really wants to think about Gramma and Grandpa having sex?

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  36. We older folk at least know when life begins and when it should end.

    :)

    It should end when it has been fully played out, but not extended, just to be endured, and cost other people time, worry and money.

    No Viagra For Those Over Seventy.

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  37. Mayors Of Philadelphia, Phoenix Seek Help

    And California is broke, again, what's a bloke to do?

    One thing I can say about Idaho is, our guys down there in Boise have done a pretty good job of keeping us financially stable. We have had a large 'rainy day fund' and even with this loss of value in the markets, I hope it will see us through.

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  38. They aren't even pretending to use the bailout money to buy bad mortgage securities anymore, they are giving taxpayer's money directly to banks now, and those same banks are putting the money in reserves, paying CEO bonuses, and shareholder dividends. It's the biggest looting of the national treasury in history, Bush is presiding over this mass theft while deficits balloon to near a trillion dollars
    ==

    Welcome to the machine.

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  39. your unstated premise, i.e. that global warming is in ANY scientific way, a proven fact.
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    OldSalt,

    Nowhere do I mention global warming, because as you say, it is a religion, and not based on any real science. In fact, I was the first to post here a link to documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. I do talk about Peak Oil, because that's scientific fact. You have not addressed any of the points I've made, but rather attacked some phantom conceptions that have no relation to what I've been saying. There's a fundamental dishonesty here, and you should be ashamed of yourself. You talk of Nazi Brownshirts, I suggest you look in the mirror.

    Same goes to steveaz.


    http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/13/deficits-both-political-and-economic/

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  40. Mat, honestly, I don't try to follow the financial news any more. I was never very good at it in first place. And am worse now.

    But I do know--

    The Rose grows

    And then dies

    And there is always Being

    I've figured that out

    We can relax.

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  41. Mat, honestly, I don't try to follow the financial news any more.
    ==

    It's all interrelated, Bob.

    A kinder, gentler, corporate fascism and despotism. It is truly Orwellian what is going on now.

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  42. Hamas has shot rockets, in ever increasing numbers, into Israel for 10 straight days...

    I've noticed that, WiO.

    My advice--

    Kill them.

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  43. funny one story goes still un-noticed and under reported...

    Hamas has shot rockets, in ever increasing numbers, into Israel for 10 straight days...


    Kill them.

    This administration is going to give you no help.

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  44. This administration is going to give you no help.
    ==

    Nobody is asking for help. All that's asked is that you don't interfere and stand in the way.

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  45. I won't, Mat.

    I've done my best.

    If you attack Iran, and get tough with 'the Palesinians' I'll back you with my talk on the street, and in the next election, which is all I can do, right now.

    I'm still trying to make that 'last sale' which should finally give me a little economic freedom

    Then, I might be able to help a bit.

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  46. Then, I might be able to help a bit.
    ==

    I look foreword to pedaling downhill on our new American made electric bikes. :)

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  47. :)

    I'm just waiting around here to make another sale, which is why I blog so much, but I would like to take you up on your invitation to go to Israel.

    I hereby give deuce and whit permission to give you my e-mail address.

    And, even if we don't make it to Israel, we can talk among ourselves.

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  48. Neither the current Administration, nor the next.

    In either country.


    Maricopa County at war with the rest of North America.
    That's the analogy.

    And they, the "other", are nuking up. They already have the weapons and delivery systems in a Muslim nation, the warheads controlled by jihadists in uniform.

    To late in the game to start a tit for tat, in a nuclear exchange.

    Maricopa County is just not that big.

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  50. We've got a problem, and I'm going back to bed, which is all I can do right now.

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  51. Bob,

    If you follow my profile at blogger my gmail is there. My parents will be retiring in 3-4 years, and that's when I'll force the issue of them moving back to Israel. After all, that's where their grandkids will be. :)

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  52. A buddy of mine just got back from China. He was in Guangzhou, I believe, and he said the sky was a nice clear blue. He mentioned to his Chinese...associate...that he was under the impression the sky was never clear in Guangzhou. The reply "Oh, all the factories are shutdown."

    That is interesting. The only blue skies that I ever saw there were those tuned up by photoshop at the Guangzhou airport.

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  53. We are crazy if we do not assert control over energy. The EU seems to be getting it:


    EU plan to loosen Russia’s grip on energy
    By Joshua Chaffin in Brussels
    Published: November 13 2008 Financial Times

    The European Commission has proposed a new company to bring gas from central Asia to Europe via the Caspian Sea in a move likely to raise tensions at Friday’s meeting of EU and Russian leaders.

    The Caspian route, which would require the construction of a new pipeline, would enable the EU to bypass Russia in order to access the resources of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, which last month announced it had discovered one of the world’s biggest gas fields.

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  54. Hey 2164th,

    You used to have a Costa Rica thing happening, are you still doing that? I went looking for the 'ad' on your front page but didn't come across it. The reason I'm asking is some friends are trying to get our family to join them down there for a week and they sent me a bunch of links to big monster beach homes available for rent. You were offering investment opportunities if I remember correctly.

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  55. Who really wants to think about Gramma and Grandpa having sex?

    Gramma and Grandpa!

    I think the elderly shouldn't try to hang on, but rather think about setting sail, set that sail for the other world, blah, blah, blah...

    Each to his own, Bobbo, each to his own...I wanna get laid.

    Viva Viagra!

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  56. No Viagra For Those Over Seventy.

    Fuck you, Bob!

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  57. Didn't Nelson Rockefeller die in the arms of some paid for young bimbo during sex?

    I remember dad got a little embarrassed, sister laughed, mom sneezed, and I wondered what the heck, when that news came over the radio.

    "Sex, Death and Older Folks" is a book some 'up and coming' younger writer could make a buck on.

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  58. Death

    Rockefeller died on the evening of Friday, January 26, 1979, at age 70 from a heart attack under circumstances whose details have never been completely revealed. Initial reports[16] said Rockefeller was at his office at Rockefeller Center working on a book about his art collection, and a security guard found him slumped over his desk. However, it was later disclosed that Rockefeller actually had the fatal heart attack in his 13 West 54th Street Manhattan townhouse in the presence of 26-year-old aide Megan Marshack. Some time later, Marshack had called her friend, news reporter Ponchitta Pierce, to the townhouse, and it was Pierce who phoned an ambulance approximately an hour after the heart attack.[17] Much speculation went on in the press regarding a sexual relationship between Rockefeller and Marshack.[18] Neither Marshack nor the family has commented since on the circumstances surrounding Rockefeller's death.


    At any rate he didn't die with his wife 'Happy' but he may have died happy.

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  59. You got to die of something. She probably said "shoot straight you bastard."

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  60. Bobal: Who really wants to think about Gramma and Grandpa having sex?

    When you're right you're right bobal.

    But maybe Gramma and Gramma.

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  61. 2020.05.04酒店工作因為一名酒店S女公關的確診,造成全台酒店、舞廳無限期停業,收入靠酒客的酒店上班坐檯小姐頓失每月數十萬元的收入,紛紛開始找副業度過難關。據八大行業透露,不少酒店小姐轉行當foodpanda(空腹熊貓)、Uber Eats的外送員,因收入不夠支出,還會再兼職當傳播妹,上月底有酒客到台中市KTV時,找熟識、現在酒店PT失業的酒店小姐外送到包廂坐檯,該酒店打工小姐進包廂時,還穿著熊貓制服,也讓酒客莞爾,小姐致歉兼撒嬌「工作難找啊!」知名八大行業酒店經記梁曉尊說,他旗下有130多個坐檯小姐,這次「被停業」後,小姐急著找副業拚經濟,有人當起超商店員,有人花了兩千多元跟熊貓買了相關的制服、設備,兼差當起美食外送員,還有人變成網拍業者,忙著拿貨,上網拍賣,擔心一個不小心就喝西北風,但也有人乾脆當放長假休息,不過每天都會有小姐打電話詢問「老闆,什麼時候要開工?」。梁小尊說,這次停業對酒店業造成的影響真的很大,他有個小姐是高雄人,年紀才20多歲,2年前才到台中工作,當酒店小姐的收入不錯,每個月都有10幾、20幾萬,今年初才剛買千萬的房產,準備在台中定居當台中人,每月要繳的房貸要5萬多元,現在突然沒工作,只能趕快找兼差,期待政府趕快想開,宣布讓酒店等特種行業復業。酒店經紀梁小尊/梁曉尊說,現在不少酒店的坐檯小姐都轉行當傳播妹,外送到各個知名KTV,因為此次政府宣布停業的是酒店、舞廳跟有男女陪伺的視聽業,一般的KTV不受到影響,不過酒客沒了酒店,還是要喝酒,有包廂的KTV就變成最好的去處。梁曉尊/梁小尊說:上月底才跟朋友去台中市一家KTV唱歌,因為知道認識的酒店小姐沒工作,打電話聯絡小姐到包廂坐檯,小姐出現在包廂時,他跟朋友看到都笑出來,因為小姐已經兼差當起熊貓外送,沒空換上漂亮的禮服就衝到KTV,擔心客人找別的小姐,所以連衣服都不換,趕緊衝到包廂內上工。

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