“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Does Obama's Citizenship Status Matter?

bobal linked to an article  which posed this question:

If someone were to violate the law by manufacturing a forgery in order trick the public, would that be enough evidence for members Congress to conduct hearings and for a court to issue an order for the critical records, including the original long-form birth certificate (signed by the doctor) to ensure that the U.S. constitutional requirements for office were not violated? After all, Congress is sworn to uphold and defend that Constitution, and the justices on the U.S. Supreme Court are "guardians" of the Constitution. That's their job, isn't it?

Does the country want to go there? Does it care about Obama's citizenship status or is the economic crisis so paramount that this issue can be swept under the rug and anyone who brings it up dismissed as a wing nut? 


  1. Leo Dorofrio

    50 Minutes With Leo Dorofrio

    Ron Paul supporter, poker player, lover of the Constitution.

  2. He can be all those, bob.
    He could even be right, but that is not what will matter.

    It might have mattered, in the United States, but in America, Obama will be sworn into office.

  3. And, bob, we are in America, are we not?

  4. Dont confuse me with the the facts, said a "new" american, I know what I feel...

    we're screwed.....

  5. If I recall, the Hawaiian offical in charge of the certification of live births reported there were no "hard copies" to be examined. That Hawaii had gone digital with its' records and the digits were all there were.

    No need to warehouse all that old paper, not when IBM mainframes could store the data, cheaply.

    Or so I recall reading, when the subject first came up.

  6. Related was the result of a House select committee on Chinese espionage in the United States and the illegal transfer to China of advanced military technology. Chaired by Christopher Cox, R-Calif., the committee issued a report in 1999 with no dissenting or "minority" signature. It found that the Clinton administration's attitude toward Chinese penetration had been abysmally lax (as lax, I would say, as its attitude toward easy money from businessmen with Chinese military-industrial associations).

    Many quids and many quos were mooted by these investigations (still incomplete at the time of writing) though perhaps not enough unambivalent pros. You can't say that about the Marc Rich and other pardons—the vulgar bonanza with which the last Clinton era came to an end. Rich's ex-wife, Denise Rich, gave large sums to Hillary Clinton's re-election campaign and to Bill Clinton's library, and Marc Rich got a pardon. Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory, convicted of bank fraud, hired Hillary Clinton's brother Tony and paid him $250,000, and they got a pardon. Carlos Vignali Jr. and Almon Glenn Braswell paid $400,000 to Hillary Clinton's other brother, Hugh, and, hey, they, respectively, got a presidential commutation and a presidential pardon, too. In the Hugh case, the money was returned as being too embarrassing for words (and as though following the hallowed custom, when busted or flustered, of the Clinton-era DNC). But I would say that it was more embarrassing to realize that a former first lady, and a candidate for secretary of state, was a full partner in years of seedy overseas money-grubbing and has two greedy brothers to whom she cannot say no.

    Does this sibling and fraternal squalor have foreign-policy implications, too? Yes. Until late 1999, the fabulous Rodham boys were toiling on another scheme to get the hazelnut concession from the newly independent republic of Georgia. There was something quixotically awful about this scheme—something simultaneously too small-time and too big-time—but it also involved a partnership with the main political foe of the then-Georgian president (who may conceivably have had political aspirations), so once again the United States was made to look as if its extended first family were operating like a banana republic.

    Serving the Clintonian Interest
    The last thing we need is a Clinton in charge of foreign policy.

    By Christopher Hitchens

  7. If the president-elect is not eligible to be president and he is seated nonetheless, well, how did it go?

    Something like...

    "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary..."

  8. we're screwed.....

    The same people that engineered this clusterfsck economy put Obama in power, will have overriding input in his cabinet, and ensure the status quo.

  9. We need localization and less dependency on large centralized power, economic or political.

    Localization resists empire, globalization, the free slave system. It supports nationalism, local community, local businesses, local culture, local agriculture and flavor.

    And I sick of tired of plastic tomatoes.

  10. Whit, and Bobal, if there is evidence of Fraud, evidence that he is not a US citizen, then bring it to the courts and justice will be done. I would be very surprised if evidence were available to support such claims at this late date. If the evidence existed to support such claims there are many groups with power who would have pursued it over the last number of years. It didn't happen so I can only conclude it is the deranged ramblings of losers who are drowning in sour grapes.

  11. In direct answer to your question - if there were convincing evidence of fraud would he be impeached? Well, impeachment is ultimately a political act but I would imagine popular opinion would turn against someone who obtained the POTUS fraudulently.

  12. And farmers that mention the word nuclear should be required to row their viking boat back to the arctic!

  13. Whit, and Bobal, if there is evidence of Fraud, evidence that he is not a US citizen, then bring it to the courts and justice will be done.

    Ash, listen to the long audio. There are lawsuits all over hell trying to find out who he is. But they are failing, and Berg's will probably fail too, as the courts are ruling citizens don't have the right to force a man to reveal his birth records. The Secretaries of the several states should have done that, but nobody did. We even have a Nicaraguan, a resident alien, on some ballots.

    And what Leo says is, it doesn't matter. He thinks he may have a proper birth certificate anyway, but in his view it doesn't matter as he is not a natural born citizen anyhow. That's where it stands.

    Obama's own wedsite says he was born a British citizen. I remember seeing that and thinking, well would Winston Churchill, who had an American mom, could he be President?

    His argument is, he is not a natural born American.

    Who knows what the court will do. But I have a lot of respect for this Leo Donofrio, he seems like a spunky guy to me.

    Why don't you go over to Obama's house and ask him to tell the Hawaiian authorities to turn over what they have?

  14. ASH Says:

    I hear no evil, I see no evil, I speak evil...

    Hey Ash, wrf?

    I bet you'd crap yourself if the truth came out that:

    a. Obama AINT a LEGAL candidate...

    b. Obama is a Legal candidate but his DADDY is Frank Marshal the Drug Dealing, Child Molester Marxist?



    A cocksucker no matter how you look at it..

  15. I am sure you have seen this by now:

    Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET

    A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

    Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

    The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

    When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

    When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

    Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

    He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

    He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

    He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.

  16. Obama seems to fit the bill of what the Founders were trying to prevent--a man with possible divided loyalties, and a rabble rouser.

    Who in the hell knows where his real loyalties reside? He helped out that muslim creep in Kenya who wants Sharia.

    Look at his intellectual mentors, we all know the names.

    On the other hand, he's turned to the Clinton crowd. And a lot of people who want to sell out Israel--Scowcroft, Bryzinski, etc.


    I'm not sure he himself knows who he is.

    And our worthless Federal Elections Commission sure isn't going to investigate all those possible campaign violations.

  17. Wwe paid $7,200,000 for Alaska, it's ours. No lease.

  18. The Supreme Court might well say, hell, we don't want riots, let him have it, who knows?

  19. Bobal, WiO, if you've got evidence present it. If not it is just so much idle speculation.

    p.s. Bobal, being a British Citizen does not preclude also being a "natural born US citizen".

    Pretty darn late in the game to be moaning about the candidates eligibility. Like so late its moot.

  20. ...and by the way, that evidence needs to demonstrate that he is NOT a natural born US citizen. It is not sufficient to put the onus upon him - he's satisfied the requirements, you've got to demonstrate that he hasn't.

  21. Pretty darn late in the game to be moaning about the candidates eligibility. Like so late its moot.

    Why? Is there a statute of limitations? Why is it too late?

  22. you've got to demonstrate that he hasn't

    He has not produced a Birth Certificate. And his close relatives say he was born in Kenya.

  23. In my estimation, this is why he was picked. This way, his backers can always keep him on a leash.

  24. How some of you people don't gag to death on Rino rats shit is amazing.

    This is America.
    If this were the United States.

    And some of you people just go along with his shit day in and day out.

    By now it should be evident that Rino rat has a deep revulsion for the United States born of what I do not know. But one does not need to know the exact composition of his mephitic ravings to know he's got some deep seated issues.

    He is however a legend in his own mind.

  25. Hey Ash...

    then DONT block the truth.....



    To me it could have been put to rest MONTHS ago by a simple release of information

    but NO...

    He's either hiding something or he's not...

    LET THE TRUTH come out...

    and if he's IS a legal citizen that can be POTUS, fine...

    and IF HE"S NOT?

    ship his skinny marxist ass BACK to kenya....

  26. WiO, does he have one to release?

  27. It is the United States that I defend and its' Constitution I have sworn to protect.

    America, on the other hand is an idea and a land mass. It is not a synonym for the United States.
    Except in a propagandists' reality.

  28. Foriegn Policy blog:

    Mon, 11/24/2008 - 10:15am

    Bloomberg does the math on what the U.S. federal government has committed so far for various bailout/rescue efforts:

    The U.S. government is prepared to lend more than $7.4 trillion on behalf of American taxpayers, or half the value of everything produced in the nation last year, to rescue the financial system since the credit markets seized up 15 months ago. [...]

    The money that’s been pledged is equivalent to $24,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. It’s nine times what the U.S. has spent so far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country’s mortgages.

    UPDATE: Bloomberg now saying the correct figure is $7.7 trillion.

  29. Funny.

    Breaking: Somali pirates acquire Citigroup?
    Mon, 11/24/2008 - 1:59pm

    Amid a slew of piracy stories from Somalia, a fake Bloomberg piece is circulating the 'net today with a report that Wall Street bankers might cringe upon reading:

    Somali Pirates in Discussions to Acquire Citigroup

    By Andreas Hippin

    November 20 (Bloomberg) -- The Somali pirates, renegade Somalis known for hijacking ships for ransom in the Gulf of Aden, are negotiating a purchase of Citigroup.

    The pirates would buy Citigroup with new debt and their existing cash stockpiles, earned most recently from hijacking numerous ships, including most recently a $200 million Saudi Arabian oil tanker. The Somali pirates are offering up to $0.10 per share for Citigroup, pirate spokesman Sugule Ali said earlier today. The negotiations have entered the final stage, Ali said.

    "You may not like our price, but we are not in the business of paying for things. Be happy we are in the mood to
    offer the shareholders anything," said Ali.

    The pirates will finance part of the purchase by selling new Pirate Ransom Backed Securities. The PRBS's are backed by the cash flows from future ransom payments from hijackings in the Gulf of Aden. Moody's and S&P have already issued their top investment grade ratings for the PRBS's.

    Head pirate, Ubu Kalid Shandu, said: "We need a bank so that we have a place to keep all of our ransom money. Thankfully, the dislocations in the capital markets has allowed us to purchase Citigroup
    at an attractive valuation and to take advantage of TARP capital to grow the business even faster."

    Shandu added, "We don't call ourselves pirates. We are coastguards and this will just allow us to guard our coasts better."

    In real pirate news, the Weekly Piracy Report counted 11 incidents last week. And James Carrol debunks the lessons of piracy in the International Herald Tribune.

    (Hat tip: Andrew Willis)
    Elizabeth Dickinson

  30. Obama did show "US" when he applied for and recieved his passport.

    That was when his claim to citizenship by natural birth was verified, by "US".

    That many do not feel that particular investigation to have been complete enough, ahh well, that's a case of feeling bad about how the Federal process works.

  31. America, on the other hand is an idea and a land mass. It is not a synonym for the United States.

    I think you're wrong there my friend. Around the world America is a synonym for the United States. The exception being certain parts of Latin America with embittered anti-American propagandists.


    Slowly, slowly we're beginning to see the depth of the abyss.
    Prediction: Public works spending is about to go through the roof. This is the new New Deal. The progressive agenda has called for domestic spending on infrastructure, higher teacher salaries, Pell grants, more welfare, universal health care and a host of other domestic social spending. Now with control of all three houses and the most serious economic crisis since the Great Depression, they're going to get their way.

    Say hello to alternative fuels, fuel cells, solar and mass transit including intercity high speed rail systems.

    Everyone will be put to work or put in school and once we get a taste for it, there will be no going back.

    Europe, here we come!

  32. If Obama were diaqualified, prior to the electors of the Elctoral College meeting, they'd choose the next President. From an open field of prospects, no prequalification required, but the Constitutional ones.

    The fourth Federal branch of government, the Electoral College, would choose the President.

    Electors, the majority of which were pledged to Obama, but legally free to vote as they will.

  33. ...control of Congress and the Executive branch...

  34. Ash said...
    WiO, does he have one to release?

    If he WAS born In HI when and where he CLAIMS to be born there would be...

    As for DR & the passport INFO, it's not the same level of quality as becoming POTUS...


    Otherwise this IS stealing our election...

    it's really simple...

    PROVE that you are a CITZEn, he claims there IS a birth certificate...

    LET"S see it...


    Step up young man and BE A MAN, BE A CITZEN

    PROVE your are by showing your birth certificate, the REAL ONE, not a computer generated reprint...

    A REAL ONE...

    or drink your koolaid and worship your false messiah....

    But me?

    I aint convinced...

    and at last check I AM A NATURAL BORN CITZEN.


    IF he IS a Natural born citizen, release the birth certificate....

    it's not like we want to see him have sex...

    it's not like we wish him to actually answer a straight question about 22 years in a church with a jew hating, america hating, white hating racist..

  35. WiO,

    It seems the Birth Certificate has been produced and the courts have ruled he is a citizen of the US. Case closed unless you have evidence proving the contrary. The onus is upon those claiming he is not a citizen. Good luck with that.

  36. That the Federals have been hughly successful in propagating the propaganda, to the point that it's accepted as fact, does not negate that it's propaganda.

    It has been successfully marketed, except to the rest of America.
    As you agree, but you misconstrue the reasoning behind their position. It is more broadly held, throughout Central and South America, than just by just a few "embittered anti-American propagandists"

  37. I didn't try to negate the propaganda aspects, only the argument about the synonym. Regardless of how it became the synonym (myth, legend, or propaganda), the US and America are synonymous. The only complaints I have heard about the interchangeable use have been from Hispanics.

  38. I think most people use the term America to refer to the USA with no intention of referencing all the America's. Rat seems to get tied up thinking folks means something they don't. If he were consistent then America really means all the Americas, South America included, but that doesn't seem to fit the political structure he envisions for the Boners.

  39. Ash said...

    It seems the Birth Certificate has been produced and the courts have ruled he is a citizen of the US. Case closed unless you have evidence proving the contrary. The onus is upon those claiming he is not a citizen. Good luck with that.

    What Court?

    What Case?

    I think your still hoping and wishing...

    Dont want to confuse you with facts...

    there has NOT been any court case.... YET..

    the SCOTUS is reviewing the merits of the case dec 5th...

    the only other court case that was, was thrown out stating the person BRINGING the claim was invalid...

    drink your koolaid..

  40. The People Voted.


  41. Obama produced his Birth Certificate. The State of Hawaii has confirmed its validity. Berg's challenge was thrown out of court because it was frivolous and he had no standing. He's filed with the SCOTUS, good luck with that.

  42. Ash said...
    Obama produced his Birth Certificate. The State of Hawaii has confirmed its validity. Berg's challenge was thrown out of court because it was frivolous and he had no standing. He's filed with the SCOTUS, good luck with that.

    then let the SCOTUS decide...

    then if they find no problem we can then try to get obamam removed from office for fraud with his selective service cover up...


    Aint america great?

    We now need more information on Obama's ties to the Kenyan Government, his mistress and more...

    IF he actually becomes POTUS, i cant wait for the investigation of WHO his crack dealers were...

  43. Plains Radio Network--Getting Past The Keeper Of The Gate--Leo Donofrio Monday Show, got to skip half way into the program past the early talk about music.

  44. Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.


    Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the US.

    Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

    Certificate Genuine

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  46. The other two thirds of America, whit, those are them that object, primarily, to the United States usurping first the continent and then the hemisphere.
    The CIA tells us the population count, to the south.

    Mexico 109,955,400
    Brazil 196,342,592
    Argentina 40,482,000
    Venezuela 26,414,816
    Colombia 45,013,672
    Uraguay 3,477,778
    Paraguay 6,831,306
    Peru 29,180,900
    Chile 16,454,143
    Costa Rica 4,195,914
    Ecuador 13,927,650
    Panama 3,309,679
    Bolivia 9,247,816
    Honduras 7,639,327
    Nico-land 5,785,846
    Guatemala 13,002,206

    Leaving the islands and the French speakers off the list. That still is a population of 570 million self described Americans.

    To be included with the US population of 303,824,640 and Canada's 33,212,696.
    That is 337 million including the northern French speakers.

    There being 907 million residents of America. North and South

    Of which the citizens of the United States represent about a third.

  47. It's Rathergate all over again with more amiss than a 1970s Selectric typewriter. But before I tell you what the experts found, let me ask you a few questions:

    1. If you were a natural born American citizen and had it within your means to quiet all the lawsuits and questions with proof, would you do it?

    2. If you were a natural born American citizen, would you spend thousands of dollars to fight the legal cases against you, or would you simply answer the legitimate question of whether you meet the constitutional requirements for office?

    3. If you were a natural born American citizen, would you forge a document called a "Certification of Live Birth" and tell the public it was a real "birth certificate"?

    Clear Forgery

  48. Pacific Business News

    The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.

    “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate,” said Chiyome Fukino. “State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

    Citing her statutory authority to oversee and maintain Hawaii’s vital records, Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

    “No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii,” Fukino added.

    Some where ...

    Ahhh, here it is not, but it supports that Hawaii has no hard copy of the original documents, as those ladies said, months ago.
    They've all be digitalized.

    Many states have laws recognizing the legal standing of public records in electronic form. For example, the state of Hawaii has passed legislation making electronic records officially recognized as legal documents. Previously, official records had to be on paper or microfilm.

    Written in 2007 by NASCIO: Representing Chief Information Officers of the States

  49. The Hawaii Statute presents the following definition:
    The Uniform Information Practices
    Act defines a “government record” as “information maintained by an agency in written, auditory, visual, electronic, or other physical form.” Haw. Rev. Stat. § 92F-3 (1993).18

    1993, amigos, those hard copies could be long burned, by now.

  50. That's more than a decade more experience than President Bush's original economic policy team, which in 2001 was made up of Paul O'Neill as Treasury secretary, who had spent 16 years in Washington at Veterans Affairs and OMB; National Economic Council chairman Larry Lindsey, who'd been in Washington for 18 years in various positions; and Council of Economic Advisers chief R. Glenn Hubbard, who for 10 years had served in varying capacities at the American Enterprise Institute, the National Bureau of Economic Research and at the Treasury Department.

    Bush also hired John Bridgeland as his first Domestic Policy Council chief. Bridgeland spent five years as Rep. Rob Portman's chief of staff before joining the White House transition team and eventually ending up in the administration.

    Add to that Mitch Daniels, who was in Washington for 19 years before becoming Bush's OMB director; and Sean O'Keefe, Daniels' deputy director at OMB, who had been in and out of Washington for 13 years prior to joining Bush's team ,and the total amount of Washington experience for Bush's economic bunch was 81 years.

    D.C. Experience

  51. Page 5, Section D confirms it

    Long Term Retention of Documentation is outlined by Comptrollers Circular No. 2001-02
    Dated 2 Aug 2001.

    It's all just digits, bos.

  52. It's all just digits, boys.

    Each time the Certificate is needed, it is printed, a new.

    There is no "old" original to be studied and discussed.

    Just digits of data, waiting to be printed, or viewed on a moniter screen.

  53. As to what a "natural born citizen" would do ...

    I'd let the hazelnuts chew on a bone I knew would provide them no sustenance. That the majority of citizens will consider pursuing it "coloring outside the lines" of acceptable political behaviour. If they hear of it, at all.

    Like the Mena Airport.

  54. So if the birth issue is not an issue..

    so be it...

    we shall all see on Dec 5th...

    after that, might we investigate what is the legal way, the legal means and legal path to remove a sitting President from office?

  55. Get the House to indict him and the Senate to convict him. Of a High Crime or Misdemeanor.

    The House has indicted two Presidents, the Senate has never convicted one.

  56. Find a better candidate in 2012.

  57. The stock market provided an instant measure of Barack Obama's success at filling the nation's leadership vacuum Monday.

    As Obama started speaking, the Dow was up 311 points, largely on news the government again was bailing out Citigroup.

    Like a yo-yo, the market went down and up as a subdued Obama introduced his economic team and took questions. By the time he finished 40 minutes later, the Dow had fallen 100 points from where it was when he started, but still finished up about 400 points on the day.

    Ahead of the Game

  58. rat,

    I agree, the BEST way to get rid of him is allow him, as his hero would say, let him hang himself by his own rope...

    (i know i took liberties with that quote)

    A few months ago the left of this nation decried that the IRAQ war was killing us in the pocketbook...

    Then the crisis spawned by the left's own jimmy carter, with his community reinvestment act that gave birth to the hundreds of little acorn-like ngo's that gave birth to the concept of NO accountability by the nations banks and lenders...

    Thus this now gave rise to the current admin & the DEMOCRAT led Congress to agree that up towards 7,000,000,000 SEVEN trillion dollars the fed could be doling out...

    from 10 billion a month to weekly 700 billion dollar payouts...

    WERE did those DEM"S get all this money? and why doesnt it matter that we are making GW Bush look frugal?


    yep time for change...

  59. actually if 2012 is the contest you'd better be working NOW to make that change...

  60. "I don't know if she has a one-on-one with (Obama)," said Palin spokesman Bill McAllister. "It may be, given that they were both involved in the national campaign."

    McAllister said Palin will be in Philadelphia on Monday and Tuesday, and the state will pay for it. He said the Chambliss campaign will pay for Palin's side trip to Georgia.

    Palin will join Chambliss for rallies Monday in Augusta, Savannah, Perry and Atlanta. Chambliss is in a close runoff election with Democrat Jim Martin.

    Meeting Obama

  61. Seems Mr Gates is staying on at Defense, according to the NYTimes.

  62. And what do we beat him with?


    A Red, White and Blue Revolution

    Newt's Newest

  63. A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a lot of trouble they get

    through to the ambassador of Kenya.
    The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a

    national shrine.
    Listen to the recording here
    The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
    The transcript reads:

    Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he

    was born

    Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

    Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there
    Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

    Here is an abridged Utube version of the

    the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

    It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into

    his trap.

    However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two

    different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

    First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the

    kenyan website.

    Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again

    the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

    He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador said yes.

    Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either

    a fool or ill advised. Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make
    trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media
    that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

    Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference.
    Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter


    To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice

    on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

    They are the same.

    Be sure to download the recording as well. The chances of it remaining online for long are remote.

    The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not.

    He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years

    back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

    Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.

    In any case the supreme court--at Justice Thomas instigation-- is taking up the issue Dec 5

  64. If you keep listening past Leo, you get to an hour of Alan Keyes lawyer.

  65. I've seen congressman billybob's comments over at free republic.

    He says he served as a clerk at the supreme court and even got the supremes to consider a case he brought before them once.

    his opinion is that even Leo's case will go nowhere.

    The problem won't be the merits but rather the technicalities.

    But even after the supremes junk the case -- that won't be the end of it.

    Rather it will be something like the plumbers case that got started before Nixon was elected.

    It smouldered for a year before it caught fire.

    No one with any self respect can let this thing go until it is resolved one way or another.

    It was bad enough having a double minded man like bush in office.

    But this?

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    Dead thread, Charles.

  67. I'm reading over at free republic that Donofrio has been working with the people in connecticut bringing suit against obama. the suggestion is that the connecticut suit is better formed.

    the whole idea in all cases is to craft a case with such form and substance that the supremes can't dismiss it on a technicality or dismiss its merits or walk away from it for fear to do so would dishonor them.

  68. Looks like Dorofrio and Wrotnowski succeeded in getting the connecticut case docketed before the supreme court.

    Justice Ginsburg will refuse it but then can apply to anyone they want.