“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Saturday, June 28, 2008

More on Obama' Birth Certificate

June 27, 2008
Obama birth certificate mystery still unsolved
Clarice Feldman American Thinker

Controversy swirls among conservative bloggers over questions that have been raised over the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate posted at the Daily Kos and (a different one) posted at his campaign's "Fight the Smears" website. Yesterday Jim Geraghty of NRO dismissed the claim that they were fake:

I spoke to Ms. Okubo[ Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health]late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama's certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said "the form is exactly the same" and it has "all the components of a birth certificate" record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama's web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.

The "embossed seal" in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

(jmh), a commenter at Just One Minute, who does know what she's talking about, says, not so fast, Jim:

Contra [Geraghty's] admonition, the birth certification question may, in fact, be a related issue [to Obama's missing legislative records]. On the technical side, I suspect that Ms. Okubo is not very familiar with what a scanner picks up at a 300ppi resolution (as in the image Kos posted). Embossing works by actually deforming the paper itself, so no matter how light the impression might be, if it were even barely discernable on one side of a page, it would necessarily distort the pattern (and show up in the pixels) on the reverse. Indeed, high resolution scanning often picks up more than is immediately visible to the naked eye, not less! When a simple ink stamped date does show through on the reverse, Ms. Okubo's hypothetical makes almost no sense. I was suspicious of the Obama certification, but when I saw the comparison document that Isreal Insider posted, it certainly removed any doubt in my own mind.

I have no idea why the Obama campaign would take such a risk. I've even wondered if perhaps his mother didn't list a father at all, but who knows? For some reason, however, I keep thinking back to that early campaign story about an attempt to gain access Obama's passport records. It turned out to have been made by Obama's own staffers, not someone else's oppo research team, which seemed peculiar at the time, and which was never explained, IIRC. Why were they trying to see - or feel the need to check -- what the passport office had on file? [emphasis added]

I admit to the uncomfortable feeling that I'm verging on truther territory here, but considering how clean the Obama slate seems to have been wiped, and how few of his past associations -- which keep turning up by ones and twos in a blog here, or a report there -- actually show up on his c.v., my antennae just keep buzzing away. It may be exceedingly difficult to put the puzzle together because the pieces are currently so dispersed, but there's a story here.


  1. Whatever the documentation, it has been accepted by the State Dept as authentic.

    Could this be why Obama was the most upset when the State Department passport files were breached? Not his alone, all the candidates had their privacy and security violated, at State.

    Could a review of the documentation be launched, by Team43?
    Will it?

    Obama's passport is proof of citizenship, without a State Dept review.

    Seems a long reach, to believe he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

    Truther territory, indeed.

  2. An illegal alien, running for President.

    It really would be a brave new world, then.

    America, where forth arth though?

  3. Controversy swirls about Obama's birth certificate? What are you talking about? It's not on the Corner (National Review), it's not on Drudge, it's on on Real Clear Politics, it's nowhere I want to be.

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  5. Surely there's got to be an easy way to get at the bottom of this. Or, at least a way. I'd think somebody woul sue in Federal Court claiming he's an alien, make him prove he's not, something along that line.

    Whatever the truth it, it ought to be looked into now, not after the election. What a chaos that would be. He'd have to be impeached I quess. Or a Supreme Court ruling saying he can't hold the office. Would be pure chaos.

  6. It is not difficult for me to believe his birth certificate is forged or altered.

    Fits right in with his program.

  7. I don't see how he could possibly get away with it, with all the blood hounds in the press around, and all the lawyers.

    But, if it is forged or altered, he'd have to try and cover it up, wouldn't he, as it's probably a felony, not to mention one of the most audacious moves in history.

    All hell would break out. Republicans would probably be accused of stealing another election.

    His campaign and life narrative is all about audacity. Talk about audacity. jeez

    I doubt there is anything to it, but why not clear the air?

  8. Think Gary Hart. Smug, blinded, and drunk on the power and attention.

  9. We've changed a lot since the days of the Monkey Business Then a self described cocaine user wouldn't have stood a chance. Not today, on the left.

    Gary Hart (Hartpence, was his real name) asked the reporters to follow him around. They did.

    How about a reporter or two looking into things in Kenya? Maybe there's some evidence there.

  10. It's $50,000 to start, in Federal Court.

    You'll be in the 9th Circut.
    Pass around the plate.

    "Somebody" could be you.
    Dive on in.

  11. Maybe, evidence he was born in a hospital in Kenya. But since he claims to be the son of a humble goat herder, maybe no hospital was involved.

    Maybe he was born in Bethlehem, for all I know.

    Maybe there was a star over the fields that night.

    Rat, I don't have to extra 50K, but I'm willing to loan my hat.

    Israel Insider--Doubts Grow

  12. Lord, not the 9th Circuit. They'd declare him a citizen somehow. How about that circuit in Texas, that would be better.

  13. C. S. Lewis argued that the extinction of the individual and its replacement by nothingness is the ultimate peril. One of his most satanic characters, Edward Rolles Weston is filled, not by a magnificent malice, but by an arbitrary, banal pettiness. Describing Weston, Lewis writes “For temptation, for blasphemy, for a whole battery of horrors, he [the protagonist] was in some sort prepared; but hardly for this petty, indefatigable nagging as of a nasty little boy at a preparatory school. Indeed no imagined horror could have surpassed the sense which grew within him as the slow hours passed, that this creature was, by all human standards, inside out - its heart on the surface and its shallowness at the heart. On the surface, great designs and an antagonism to Heaven which involved the fate of worlds: but deep within, when every veil had been pierced, was there, after all, nothing but a black puerility, an aimless empty spitefulness content to sate itself with the tiniest cruelties, as love does not disdain the smallest kindness.”

    Notwithstanding the uncomfortable sense that this description has much of humanity in it’s grasp, I have a better idea. Have McCain’s advisers define who he is. My guess is that they are playing the waiting game. Smart.

    I think.

    I am repeating myself, and poorly paraphrasing some of the more eloquent writers in this arena, but the Obama deficit is substance - is he a believer or a politician? Ralph Nader took a huge hit for being a believer. Ronald Reagan believed in the right things at the right time - did that make Reagan a politician?

    As an individual, the question has merit, but as a leader, it is a difference without a distinction because the traditional liberal agenda is not right for the country at this time. The transition away from an oil-based economy will be driven by business and profits keyed intimately into issues of national security.

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  15. From bob's link, they make the case, that the State Dept has authenticated Obama's birth certificate, themselves.

    "... Ordinary people are compelled to produce certified paper birth certificates to get a passport ..."

    And when Obama was ordinary, he got a passport. He had to produce a certified birth certificate to get it.

    As was noted, earlier.
    So, if there is a conspiracy, the State Department is in on it, too.

  16. It is plain to everyone that Obama has a passport, and that the State Department has a file, with the authenticated copy, or not.

    Two Fired for Viewing Obama Passport File
    State Department Investigating Whether Contractors Broke Law

    By Glenn Kessler
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, March 21, 2008; Page A03

    Two State Department employees were fired and a third has been disciplined for improperly accessing Sen. Barack Obama's passport file, the State Department announced last night.

    Senior department officials said they learned of the incidents only when a reporter made an inquiry yesterday afternoon. They said an initial investigation indicated that the employees -- all of whom worked on contract -- were motivated by "imprudent curiosity."

    Bill Burton, spokesman for Obama's presidential campaign, called the incidents "an outrageous breach of security and privacy." He said this is "a serious matter that merits a complete investigation," adding that the campaign will "demand to know who looked at Senator Obama's passport file, for what purpose, and why it took so long for them to reveal this security breach."

    Undersecretary of State Patrick F. Kennedy, in a hastily arranged conference call with reporters, said he asked the State Department inspector general to open an inquiry into the matter and acknowledged that it might need to be expanded.

  17. That seems to be right. How did he get his original passport? I had to show my birth certificate and driver's license when I got my passport.

    Seems such a simple thing to do, though, just give the birth certificate to some impartial reporters to have a look.

  18. Why give 'em the satisfaction, bob.
    Let the truthers ramble on ...

    Discredit alot of the other static

  19. If Obama really did, as one of doug's pastes suggested ...
    Stopped the start of civil war in Kenya, with just two phone calls.
    Well, amigos, that is a fabulous thing, in the real world.

    Did he really do it?
    Obama has not made the claim, it was made by someone trying to discredit Obama, the Peacemaker.

    Seems he would have had to have called his cousin, the Muslim "troublemaker". Give him the command to cool his jets, to chill. And get 'er done.

    He had substance enough to beat Billary, as slick a willie to ever swim the Potomac.

    He'll blast McCain in those 17 battleground States, just bury him on tube. It'll be all Obama, all the time.
    McCain will be putting miles on his Eagle Air jet charter and Western Leasing's "straight talkin'" express bus service.
    Making townhall meeting across those same 17 States.

    McCain will fill gyms & theaters, Obama will fill arenas.

  20. Go with the flow, al-Bob:

    McCain has to hire Ted Olsen to quiet the MSM.

    Obama doesn't have to pay the State of Hawaii $5 so we can see a CERTIFIED Birth Certificate.
    Clarice Feldman has more credibility than Drudge, fwiw.

  21. When "Socks" Berger pilfered files, some were suspicious.

    When the Messiah's operatives do the same, we should assume the operatives motives are as pure as the Messiah himself.

  22. Exactly, doug, no need at all for Obama to allow the public to see it, not when the State Department, the Federal agengy of record, regarding citizenship, has already seen and authenticated it.

    Or he'd have no US passport.

  23. Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?

  24. Meanwhile, westhawk tells US that the situation in Pakistan is going to hell in a hand basket.

    The Taliban are close to controlling Peshawar area. That part of Pakistan that is vital to the US logistic chain into Afghanistan.

    Things are headed south with or without a President Obama. The fellow that John knows, he's fadin' out of the loop.

  25. "Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?"

    Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?

    "Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?"

    Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?

    "Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?"

    Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?

    "Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?"

    Or is the State Department, at the passport level of administration, so corrupt that bogus paperwork could get by?

  26. Just at the passport level? LOL!

    The whole fscking governement is an edifice for self serving thieves.


    No friends exist for this user!

  28. For men, the economy is clearly issue No. 1. In the CNN poll, 44 percent of men cited the economy as their top concern, which was twice as many as chose the Iraq war (22 percent) and four times as many as chose health care (11 percent) or terrorism (11 percent). In the Quinnipiac swing-state polls, majorities of men in all three states picked the economy as their top issue. Asked which economic issue worries them the most,

    about half the male voters in each state said gasoline prices (48 to 52 percent), far more than chose health care costs (15 to 18 percent), food prices (12 to 14 percent), declining retirement fund values (7 to 9 percent), or falling real estate values (4 to 9 percent).

  29. As a full citizen, you have the right to start your own kingdom, become a warlord and participate in the great battles

    full citizen Means there must be less than full citizenship available.

    Partial citizens.
    A great day in America

  30. Plouffe, a cool-headed operator who helped engineer Obama's nomination victory, says he doesn't put much stock in national polls, since a presidential election is a state-by-state battle. Laying out the public version of his campaign's strategy for a room full of reporters, he zeroed in on the most important target for both Obama and McCain.

    "The people in the middle--in some cases we're only talking about six to ten percent of the people in a state--they will decide the election," Plouffe says. "Some of these voters just haven't been consuming the political news . . . So we think we have some very, very important foundational work to do" in spreading Obama's message.

    He plans to redeploy a massive volunteer force, built during the primaries, on a door-to-door persuasion effort organized down to the precinct level.

    That personal voter contact, he adds, is "even more important for a candidate like Barack Obama, who people don't have a decades-long relationship with. They're still thirsting for information. They may need reassurance."

    In Pennsylvania, one of the most important battleground states, Obama's team might want to knock on the door of Janell Mader, 32, who left her teaching job to raise her young daughter in York. Like millions of Republicans, she's come unmoored from her party and is up for grabs this year.

    "For most of my life, my decisions have been made based on morals and family values and that whole belief system that I've had instilled in me since birth," she says. "And now, all of a sudden, our country is turned upside down by all these economic issues that I haven't encountered in my lifetime."

  31. Ah sh^t.

    An uneducated electorate is going to do the deed.

    No wonder this guy is connecting. I recall one of the wife's first interviews. She said her issues were values and she didn't know - and didn't care to know - anything about the technical details of an energy policy.

    There it is.

    Messiah in the White House. Devil in the details.

    More George Carlin - he disputed the claim that the average American is smarter than given credit for - just the opposite and went off on a riff of consumerism.

    Substitute values for consumerism and ...

    There it is.

    Have you embraced your values today?

  32. Carlin: The Modern Man

  33. Look at the overwhelming response to Obama on Taxes.

    We get the government we deserve.

  34. A new industry report says employer health-care costs are poised to rise almost 10 percent in 2008 — more than double the annual inflation rate. Nancy Marshall Genzer points to a hospital building boom for the cost increase. And she expects the increase will result in a premium hike for employees.

  35. He also hinted that Israel might have to act sooner if Barack Obama wins the US presidential election.

    They apparently fear that the chances of winning American approval for an air attack will be drastically reduced if the Democratic nominee wins the election. Mr Obama advocates talks with the regime in Tehran rather than military action.

    Obama may touch off a war before he even gets into office. But, we know, Iran is not really working on a bomb, our intelligence agencies told us so. Anyway, if they are, Obama will just fly over there and talk to them. Though there may be no place left to land in Iran.

  36. She said her issues were values and she didn't know - and didn't care to know - anything about the technical details of an energy policy.

    Yeah, I remember her saying that.

    What's details got to do, got to do, with it?

    What's love got to do, got to do, with it?

  37. $600 billion per year on oil imports. $600 billion per year out the window. Fscking insane, that's what it is.

  38. this animated gif image goes back and forth between obama's birth certificate and a real birth certificate. note the missing seal, the blacked out certificate number and the differences along the edges of the seal.
    in order to show detail this is a high mg download.

    this writer examines the writing in detail and shows why much of the writing on obama's birth certificate was photo shopped.

    This is a google search of birth certificate obama. This story is steadily making its way up the info food chain.

    This link gives the growing list of posts at free republic on obama's birth certificate.

  39. Thanks, Charles.

    The question remains how he got his passport.

    Obama is playing the fool even wanting to be President in the current conditions.

    He's gonna get hit with a load of woe, and his basic policy is to raise taxes all over. Not exactly a stimulus package.

  40. The image became increasingly suspect with Israel Insider's revelation that variations of the certificate image were posted on the Photobucket image aggregation website -- including one listing the location of Obama's birth as Antarctica, one with the certificate supposedly issued by the government of North Korea, and another including a purported photo of baby Barack -- one of which has a "photo taken" time-stamp just two minutes before the article and accompanying image was posted on the left-wing Daily Kos blog.

    That strongly suggests that Daily Kos obtained the image from Photobucket, not the State of Hawaii, the Obama family, or the Obama campaign. Photobucket is not generally known as a credible supplier of official vital records for any of the fifty states, and the liberties that other Photoshoppers took with the certificates confirms this.

  41. Was Aleister Crowley Barbara Bush's Father?

    If so, would explain a lot.

    Ol' Crowley, Secret Agent 666, responsible for the Lusitania going down, set up by the Brits, so the Germans fire the torpedo, to draw us into the war.

  42. Occult Agent Extraordinaire Man of many moods, man of many vices, motto-do what you will. Heroin addict in early life, founder of a gnostic occult sect, freemason, spy, papa of mammy Bush(maybe), makes Habu look like a piker.

  43. Lurks behind the sinking of the Lusitania, for the betterment of the cause.

  44. Everyone should vote.
    Everyone is brilliant.
    esp hormonal women
    (for al-Bob)

    Vote for your sex-object.
    Lust, menance, alienation.
    Life is soo heavy.
    (when you're making it up for publication)

    Obama’s Identity Crisis

    Despite Obama’s relentless efforts to mold himself into an African-American, his overwhelmingly white upbringing is apparent in his coolly analytical depiction of his mother, a portrait that most black men would find disrespectful. To Obama, his mother is a Kumbaya-era liberal. I suspect he feels that she messed up her life due to na├»ve faith in Third World countries and Third World men; but if she had been wiser, where would he be? This is one of life’s conundrums that’s hopeless but not serious, and yet Obama can’t help being serious about himself.

    Years later, when he’s working on Wall Street, he’s creeped out by his visiting mother’s insistence on seeing her favorite film, the 1959 Brazilian art-house classic “Black Orpheus.” He belatedly realizes that his very fair-skinned mother is sexually attracted to dark men. He pompously intones, “The emotions between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”

    Wallace-Wells mentions in Rolling Stone:

    There is an amazingly candid moment in Obama’s autobiography when he writes of his childhood discomfort at the way his mother would sexualize African-American men. ‘More than once,’ he recalls, ‘my mother would point out: “Harry Belafonte is the best-looking man on the planet.”’ What the focus groups his advisers conducted revealed was that Obama’s political career now depends, in some measure, upon a tamer version of this same feeling, on the complicated dynamics of how white women respond to a charismatic black man.

    My late mom was also a big fan of Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier back in the 1960s. To her, they embodied an admirable combination of black masculine charm and white gentlemanliness.

  45. Not sure what this guy is saying, perhaps the assembled geniuses can figure it out:
    Jonalist said...
    The problem is his legal residence claim in Hawaii, his mother married in 1960, he was born in 1961, that is one year short of a legal residence in any state, After one year you lose your drivers license and either must return where your legal residence is or you must apply where you are for a new one. His father was not registered as a US citizen in Hawaii when he met his soon to wife from Kansas and then married her in 1960 which followed as normal proceedure, Barack H. Obama was born in 1961. So which is the issue, change the laws of America from the US Senate or become a President and order it voted on and continue hounding Congress till the law is changed to be reflective of a driver license issuance law which is one year only setting Obama's new term of legal residence at one year so he can refile his mothers certification as she fits into the slot making him born of parents of a legal residence in Hawaii. This could foul up the education Obama has had esp when his mother & father were not a legal resident in Hawaii but mere students at the time and checking his records would prove the issue in other countries to be false or valid claims (not fibs or lies).

  46. Sat Jun 28, 10:04:00 PM EDT

    Post of the Day!

  47. Someone said...

    Seriously though. Lies beget suspicion.

    What’s next?
    That is not the birth certificate I knew????

  48. Bobal: Anyway, if they are, Obama will just fly over there and talk to them. Though there may be no place left to land in Iran.

    At the very least he can probably get them to demolish their cooling tower, since that's what Bush accomplished by talking to Li'l Kim, although no one is deriding Bush for being a Nazi Appeaser for doing it.

  49. Bolton is.
    I was waiting for his reaction.
    Heard it on interview w/Monica Crowley.

    Rice and State Dept now fully in charge.
    The Cowboy President, a distant memory.
    (except in Iraq, of course)

  50. For Barry and W:

    But hollow men, like horses hot at hand,
    Make gallant show and promise of their mettle;
    But when they should endure the bloody spur,
    They fall their crests, and, like deceitful jades,
    Sink in trial.
    Julius Caesar VI.ii

  51. My first thought on the cooling tower, was they could just have a direct line from and to the river there, and save the expense.
    Much more efficient, and more like Russia used to do.
    ...wonder if the rest of the plant will be dismantled on W's watch?
    If not, should work fine w/my direct line river cooling.

  52. Doug -

    I listened to almost all of R-MD (Roland Bartlett the name I think) speech on C-SPAN re the SAIC findings. About as sexy as a dishrag. Empty Congress. He stumbled a bit - the oratorical flow not completely smooth. But the undercurrent of substance was absolute. Having sat for hours in a couple of major airports in the recent past, I am not optimistic about the average American anymore.

    And values. It's a sad day in River City when values are dictated from above rather than percolated up to government who works for us - not the other way around.

    Bob -

    I forgot what I was going to say to you but funny riff.

    Think of it as a footgame game. Will Americans go deep and long?

    Or punt?

  53. 10:04

    My gut tells me this is a sideshow but we live in strange times where all things are true and nothing is to be believed.

    Whatever - that's still funny. Government is so reliable, except when it's not.

    The State Department Seal of Approval.

    If only that had been that reliable with 19 Arabs on visas.

  54. I did not see that anyone posted this on Obama's birth certificate

    "There is one loophole that some have raised in the hope that it might yet qualify Obama as natural-born, even if he could not prove he was born in Hawaii: the fact that his mother was US-born. But the US government makes it clear that time was not on his side: "A child born abroad on or after December 24, 1952 and before November 14, 1986 to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-citizen parent can acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent can demonstrate that he or she was physically present in the United States for a minimum of ten years, at least five of which were after the age of fourteen, prior to the birth of the child." Because Barack's mother bore him at the age of 18, he still doesn't qualify natural born citizen if he can't prove he was born in Hawaii with a certified birth certificate. (A subsequent law reduced the five years to two, but only for children born after 1986, and made provisional retroactive exceptions favoring parents serving in the military or for international organization. Neither applies to Obama).

    The bottom line is this: If Obama can't prove he has a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, he's not a natural born American. If he's not a natural born American, he can't be president. That's the law of the land. "

  55. The bottom line is this: If Obama can't prove he has a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, he's not a natural born American. If he's not a natural born American, he can't be president.

    And if he can't be president, Republicans can breathe a sigh of relief, because Grampy McSame isn't going to win on the issues. But even if the birth certificate is real, Obama still has to explain why his mother is named Stanley.

  56. Obama’s political career now depends, in some measure, upon a tamer version of this same feeling, on the complicated dynamics of how white women respond to a charismatic black man.

    I had a couple of punchlines ready but I think I'm going to have to go with speechless.

    Yes. I'm going with speechless.

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