“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Friday, February 01, 2008

Abortion at 24 Weeks. 81% Could Survive.

A human being at 22 weeks. A "Woman's right to choose"  killed this 22 week old. Had this girl been premature, she had a 50% chance of going home to a crib.

The Chinese are more correct at recognizing when human life begins. Be born in China, and you are one year old. Tortured language and euphemisms have been trumped by advances in medicine. Remember the "viability" argument? When does life begin? Partial birth abortion?

This is a tough topic and it should make some Democratic Presidential candidates have some very uncomfortable moments. Talk about an inconvenient truth at a very inconvenient time. The truth can hurt.

Survival of early babies 'doubles'
By Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor Telegraph
Last Updated: 01/02/2008

The abortion debate is reignited today as figures show that survival rates of babies born very prematurely have doubled in the past 20 years.

By the late 1990s 71 per cent of babies born between 22 and 25 weeks' gestation survived

A study at one of Britain's top neonatal units found that one third of babies born between 22 and 25 weeks' gestation survived in the early 1980s but this had risen to 71 per cent by the late 1990s.

The biggest improvements were among the 24 and 25-week babies.

Campaigners have already called for the 24-week abortion limit to be lowered, but experts have previously argued there has been little improvement in the chances of babies born very early.

The findings are set to spark a further row over abortion as MPs are tabling amendments to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill to either liberalise terminations or restrict them. The 24-week limit was set in 1990.

Latest data from the Department of Health show that of the 201,173 abortions in England and Wales in 2006, 1,262 were at 22 weeks or more.

Of eight babies born alive at 22 weeks at University College London Hospital between 1996 and 2000, four survived to go home. Between 1991 and 1995 only two were born at 22 weeks and neither lived.

For babies born at 23 weeks the survival rate increased from 44 per cent in 1991-95 to 46 per cent in the late 1990s. At 24 weeks, half the babies born between 1991 and 1995 lived. This rose to 81 per cent for those born in 1995-2000.

One third of the babies born at 25 weeks in 1991-95 survived, rising to almost three quarters in 1995-2000.

However, one quarter of all the infants were found to have a disability when they reached their first birthday. This proportion did not improve over the years.

Julia Millington, from the ProLife Alliance, said: "The current 24-week time limit was set in 1990 based on the gestational age a foetus was considered viable at that time.

"Neonatal medicine has progressed since then and premature babies are capable of surviving below the current time limit."

Prof David Field, the president-elect of the British Association of Perinatal Medicine, said: "The viability of premature babies and abortion are completely different arguments that have been muddled up. You either believe in abortion or you don't.


  1. Someone should send this to Ann Coulter and ask her if she still supports Hillary.

  2. That movie Juno that I saw recently was good. Serious topic, seriously considered, also very human with lots of light moments. Lots of good characterisations in it too. Delightful young actress. I highly recommend it. Hollywood is still capable of making an entertaining and serious movie, no violence. Not preachy either. Juno if I have my mythology right was sort of an earth goddess, mother of fertility type.

    That's an excellent question you have for Coulter, deuce.

  3. In a thread on FASCISM!

    Chuck said,


    You want a billboard? Rent one. If you keep spamming the comments with unrelated crap I'm going to start hitting the delete button.

    Wouldn't want the truth to get out on his boy John.
    "Educated" "Adults"

  4. . ...better to have the usual blank comments with occasional bursts of blinding brilliance, I guess.

  5. Who Hijacked the Primaries?

    With John McCain's all-too-easy road to the nomination paved through Florida and now nearly complete one thing is clear: The Republican Party has been hijacked. Over the past month a new Axis of Evil has emerged -- not one based in Damascus, Tehran or Pyongyang -- but instead in Cedar Rapids, Charleston, South Carolina, Derry, New Hampshire and Boca Raton, Florida. It is the liberal and "independent" voters in these 4 states that have nearly completed a deed that makes Kim Jong Il envious -- the near crippling of the American Electoral System. These four states have combined their native liberal populism with an imported liberal electorate and have forced the GOP to accept a nominee so distasteful that in more than one poll -- the numbers of voters choosing not to vote and those choosing to vote third party actually exceed those who will hold their nose and vote for Maverick, War Hero, Amnesty Supporter, John McCain.

  6. You deserve it hula head for posting on a boring blog.

  7. Hey, I ain't givin up til John is locked in.
    Then I'll decide what to do next.

  8. Did you listen to that mp3 yet?

  9. I was spooked at the start of this thread, now I got to watch John play Dorian Grey.

  10. Deuce,

    That's a false flag.

    Abortions will happen regardless of Hillary or McCain.

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  12. Try not to mention the word "Flag"
    Ash gets all inflamed dreaming of burning it.

  13. mat, i think medicine and science will bring social change faster than argument. it has done so many times in the past. look at cell phone usage.

  14. You've never had a cell-phone conversation during sex?

  15. Well, then, did you GET the mp3?

  16. Doug, whit collects the mail and forwards it to me.

  17. I think 72 is pushing the envelope. McCain looked very unattractive in the debate with Romney. Dole and Reagan both had a sense of humor and their age did one of them in. Had the big mouth, know it all, talk show hosts gave McCain faint praise and then brought up the age issue, they would be rid of him.

  18. "The Republican Party has been hijacked. Over the past month a new Axis of Evil has emerged -- not one based in Damascus, Tehran or Pyongyang -- but instead in Cedar Rapids, Charleston, South Carolina, Derry, New Hampshire and Boca Raton, Florida. It is the liberal and “independent” voters in these 4 states that have nearly completed a deed that makes Kim Jong Il envious"


    "This is our party, not John McCain’s or Mel Martinez's, or Lindsay Graham’s. The Republican Party is THE conservative party dammit. Let’s admit it and take it back. RINOS and Liberals have taken the GOP plane hostage, and its time for us passengers to revolt…and do what has to be done -- Let’s Roll."

    No, I remind myself, this is not a spoof.

    Brett Winterble is a radio producer and writer living in Los Angeles. Brett is currently completing his Masters Degree in Homeland Security Studies, putting him solidly in league with such luminaries as Steve at Threatswatch. He obtained a BA in unbeatably comic metaphors from some damn place. His parents were just glad to finally have him out of the house.

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  20. that knife cuts both ways Elijah what with the Death Penalty loving pro torture pro lifers.

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  22. "Death Penalty loving pro torture pro lifers."

    Ash, you really amaze me. let me take your sentence apart:

    Death penalty loving: Has is occurred to you that those who support the death penalty, do so as punishment for the most heinous of crimes. It is a preventive measure. That hardly means they love the death penalty. In fact society has proven a great reluctance to use it. That comment is sophistry.

    Pro torture: In favor of torture for what purpose? If I carry a gun, it is not because I want to kill somebody. It is because I do not want somebody to kill me. I am by nature quite pacific, but I also have a high instinct to survive and am not afraid to kill to stop someone from killing me. If torture is necessary to save life, then it is a price that needs to be paid to prevent a worse price than will be paid by not using torture. Many cancer patients torture themselves with chemo and radiation to ensure their survival. It is painful, temporary and necessary, even if it leaves you with permanent damage.

    pro life_ Can you not look at that picture and come to the conclusion that you would rather see that little girl alive and get her full measure of life?

  23. Death Penalty loving pro torture pro lifers."

    friggen putz.

  24. This is one heck of an article, especially the photo. For more insight on the level of development of children still in the womb, see an assortment of ultrasounds here.