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Saturday, May 26, 2007

The Facts Behind the Immigration Liars at The New York Times


The NY Times headlines, widely quoted by the MSM read, "Immigration Bill Provisions Gain Wide Support in Poll".

Not too encouraging to the opponents of this bill. Could it be that it was printed to encourage our masters and rulers in DC, who will not read the details behind the headlines, as they will probably not read the bill itself? I asked myself, how is this possible?

I decided to do something quaint. Read the data.

The poll itself covers many subjects. It contains over one hundred questions. The published pdf version has been edited.

I simply highlight some of the questions in the same poll that would point to a far different picture from the propaganda and outrageous distortion portrayed by the New York Times. Could it be that the New York Times has an agenda?




8. Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the issue of
immigration?

approve 27% disapprove 60%

41. Which comes closer to your opinion: 1) America should always welcome all immigrants, OR 2) America should always welcome some immigrants, but not others, OR 3) America cannot afford to open its doors to any newcomers?

Welcome all 24% Welcome some 48% No newcomers 24%

42. Which of the following three statements comes closest to expressing your overall view of immigration policy in the United States? 1) On the whole, our immigrationpolicy works pretty well and only minor changes are necessary to make it work better. 2) There are some good things in our immigration policy, but fundamental changes are needed. 3) Our immigration policy has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it.

Only minor changes 8% Fundamental changes 41% Completely rebuild 49%

46. In the long run, do you think the people who are emigrating to the United States
today will make American society better, will make American society worse, or do you
ink today's immigrants won't affect American society one way or the other? th

Better 28% Worse 35% Won’t affect society 29%


51. What about ILLEGAL immigration – How serious a problem do you think the issue of
ILLEGAL immigration is for the country right now — very serious, somewhat serious, not too serious, or not at all serious?

Very 61% Somewhat 30% Not too 6% Not at all 1%

52. What, if anything, is your main concern about immigrants in the U.S.?

They use public services 17%
They don’t pay taxes 8%
Terrorism/security threat 8%
Take jobs away from residents 13%
Breaking law by being here 11%
Don’t learn to speak English 5%
Commit crimes 6%

56.Do you think illegal immigrants do more to strengthen the U.S. economy because they provide low-cost labor and they spend money or do illegal immigrants do more to weaken the U.S. economy because they don't all pay taxes but can use public services?

Strengthen 23% Weaken 70%


59. As a result of LEGAL immigration into the United States, do you think the threat of terrorism against the United States has increased, decreased, or stayed about the same? ASKED OF HALF THE RESPONDENTS N=568

Increased 42% Decreased 3%

60. As a result of ILLEGAL immigration into the United States, do you think the threat of terrorism against the United States has increased, decreased, or stayed about the same? ASKED OF HALF THE RESPONDENTS N=564

Increased 45% Decreased 2%

74. Should illegal immigrants be prosecuted and deported for being in the U.S. illegally, or shouldn't they?

Should be prosecuted 69% Should not 24%



The full poll pdf here



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  2. You need to examine these polls the politiciaans are using to justify their positions. Her is another example:

    By Eric Pfeiffer | Published Yesterday | North America , Human Rights | Unrated
    Public emotion surging around immigration issue


    By Eric Pfeiffer
    The Washington Times

    WASHINGTON -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California says the public emotion surging around efforts to overhaul the nation's immigration policy is the greatest she has seen since her 1992 election.

    The Democrat said the topic hasn't translated into the 30,000-plus phone calls to her office that would mean "something is really going on" in the nation's most populous state, but the enthusiasm of opinion is fervent.

    "We're dealing with an issue about which people have very strong, very deeply set views," Mrs. Feinstein said.

    She said most of the nearly 8,000 calls her office has fielded have been "very hostile and very negative" despite polls that show up to 80 percent of Californians support legalizing "undocumented workers."

    What poll was this? How was it worded and what are the actual answers.

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    Do not let these mediocre people change your country forever.

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  4. Where are the conservative pollsters on this? Where are the Republican Party pollsters on this? If the Republican Party goes along with this and a Republican President signs it, what is the sense in being a Republican? George Bush is all for closing Syrian and Iraqi and Iranian borders. He claims this as some security threat to the US. Now he supports a bill for blanket amnesty after doing nothing to secure the US border for six and one half years.

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  6. The Republican pollsters are paid by the Party, duece.
    That'd be Mr Bush.
    You others, and I, are all RINOs.

    Not in step with the Party of Bush.
    I or II.

    Why do you think that the Republican Party would stand and oppose Mr Bush?
    He is the Party leader.

    It is us RINOs that are not in step with the Party on Religion of Peace, nor border security issues.

    You and yours have been left on the beach, along with Mr Bolton.

    Not one of your or my positions on the two major issues of the day mirror the Republican Party stance.

    Get used to that, you RINOs

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  7. Where else you gonna go, RINO?

    The idea that the Republicans are "conservative" or "right wing" is laughable.

    They are the Party of compassionate doctrines and the Religion of Peace

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  8. Vote Republican values
    Vote Foley

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  9. No homily here, no fire nd brimstone jeremiad, no threats to hunt down and slash innocent petunias in your gardens ....


    BUT

    if you haven't fired off an email to your rulers in DC, or called their office AND fired off a nasty-gram to the White House...SHAME on you.

    So lets get busy.
    Here's some inspiration music and video to get you started!!!!

    Very inspirational

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  10. I've sent my notes, this is the response:

    DERBY LINE, Vt. (Associated Press) -- Step through the front door of the Haskell Library and you're in the United States. Walk across the carpeted floor to the circulation desk and you're in Canada. But if you sit down on the couch, you're back in the U.S. The 106-year-old Romanesque building, which straddles the international border, has enjoyed a kind of informal immunity from border restrictions through the years. But a U.S. Border Patrol crackdown focusing on three unguarded streets linking Derby Line with Stanstead, Quebec, across the border, could soon change that.

    "There's been an increase in illegal activity, both north and south, in the last little while," said Mark Henry, the operations officer for the Border Patrol's Swanton sector, which runs across northern New York, Vermont and New Hampshire. "There have been some significant cases."


    The Feds have cracked down in Vermont, those Canuks just running across the border, through the library in droves.

    "This all fits in to the larger picture of the Border Patrol strategy to gain operational control of our borders," Henry said.

    Theater of the absurd

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  11. Oh, what tangled webs they weave
    when first they practice to decieve

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  12. DR

    I would never have guessed that DERBY LINE, Vt. was the AQ equivalent of the Ardennes.

    Why it conjures up a picture in my mind of the small circus car that disgourges 30-40 people. I see those sneaky AQ's coming in the Canadian side, stopping to read the latest issue of "House Beautiful" or "Archtectural Digest", and then scooting out the US side to work thier evil.

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  14. Bush Is Right on Immigration
    His inclusive approach is the way to go.
    by Eleanor Clift


    Stand by your man!

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  15. Good News, Maybe:

    Various beltway Gurus are saying the bill will get killed in the house.

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  16. Miztuh DR suh
    I does agree wit ya 9:33 in spades.

    We juz be da new plantation folk fo da Elephant Party.

    be a damn shame.

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  17. George W Bush, standing shoulder to shoulder, with Eleanor Clift.

    That should tell US something, about Mr Bush.

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  18. Trust in the Democratic Party and it's control of the House, to save the Republic, aye, rufus?

    Saved by the labor unions.

    That's the ticket.

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  19. Fuck you, Rat; I don't feel like fucking with you, today.

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  20. The bill is estimated to get LESS THAN 20 Republican votes in the House.

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  21. O/T but take a look at the size of this hogzilla recently taken.

    Taken down by a boy and his gun.



    Holy Hog!!!!

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  22. There's something wrong with that picture. Or, that kid's awfully small. Or, something. It just don't look right.

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  23. Rufus. I agree with you. There is no way a wild hog can get that big. Impossible

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  24. Feral pigs are mid-sized hoofed mammals with a long, pointed head and stocky build. Males and females look much alike. Wild hogs exhibit great variation in color and size. The average wild sow weighs about 110 pounds (ranging from 80 to 330 pounds) and the average wild boar weighs about 130 pounds (ranging from 100 to 440 pounds). Unusually large, trophy-sized feral pigs have been taken that reach three feet tall, six feet long and over 500 pounds. They eat mostly roots, acorns and meat if they can get it.

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  25. I agree with Rufus it might be stopped in the house. Tried to go to monsterpig.com, their website, about the hog but couldn't get anything up... thought there might be more pics. One of those times you'd actually like to see the hog in the flesh. Hell if I know. Looks nearly as big as a water buffalo or something.

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  26. I'm going to sit in the shade of a tree on 21st street in Lewiston later today or tomorrow, holding a sign, no amnestry, see what response I get. Take a lawn chair, some smokes, and a newspaper or two. Anybody want to join me?

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  27. Some of these animals can get awfully big though. I've seen lots of deer in my time, but one time I saw a buck that had antlers almost like an Irish elk, just couldn't believe it, had never seen anything like it, huge beautiful deer, really startling. They say they weighed the hog out.
    But maybe it's just a big fish(hog) story. Might be hog wash.

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  28. Bob, these people around here in this little bitty town would think I'd lost my mind if I did that. They'd say, "What's old Rufus doin sittin out there in the hot sun? We all already know how he feels about that, anyway.

    I'm going to chase down my worthless congresscritter this week. He'll be out makin the rounds. I'll give him a good piece of my mind, then. I think that in my case that might have more effect.

    They didn't delay this till after Memorial Day to "Study" on it. They delayed it to lobby the house where they knew they were in trouble. Here's hoping.

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  29. I'm at the point in my life, Rufus, that I don't much care what people think of me. I am worried what my wife thinks of me, however:)

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  30. My wife doesn't have any problem with me sitting in the shade holding a sign. Said I might as well sit there, as here.

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  31. I gotta admit, Bob; you got me thinking.

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  32. I'm trying to decide whether I can get away with carrying a six-pack with me.

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  33. Deuce, did they mention that 69% said that illegals should be Prosecuted, and Deported?

    NO? I didn't think so.

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  34. Miztuh deuce Suh,

    'bouts all kin sayz wit da hogzilla iz it be da seund one day dun killed down here in da souwth.

    one in da Great State of Georgia and dis one in da Great State of Alabama.

    now be'in how da university people wenz and dug up da first one and it be gen-u-ine I gotz ta fee dat they be eat'n a mess of whatever.

    I knoz i almost seen bigfoot down in da bog so hogzilla, he be possible.

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  35. Take a little cooler Rufus, and use a cup. Keep it innocuous. Got me thinking along those lines too.

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  36. Tater, it's a foto shop and I kin prove it. I seed her on tv argyin with that Hasselbeck gurl, just yesterday.

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  37. Mixtuh Rufus Suh,

    it be too long since my eyes fell on yo rit'in. it be a tonic.

    i hopes you an da missus iz do'in fine.
    i still be wit Ms. HoneysuckleTater, and she do fine.
    we done been up ta miztuh Habu place an he fix a mess of pulled pork, sum mucadine grapes, and polk salad ..hmm gud eats.

    Mistuh Habu been buy'n gold. He also been shoot'n wif da sheriff depatmunt..he git da ammo free. i thinks da gonna deputize hisself but iain't sure.

    he really ben given helll to da senators and his congressman 'bout sump'n...i knows he ain't do'in emily post style words or nice-atees..
    when he dun rit da Bush he say how come 12 million illegals got in on you watch? dat be a hard question since frum what miztuh Habu say da head bossman suppose to protected us.

    well, most important iz you and yours be well.

    yur frend,
    possumtater (and Ms HoneysuckleTater she send you a big kiss)

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  38. miztuh Rufus,
    iff'n you sa it be photoshop dat gud enough fer me!

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  39. Tater, you tell your master, if he's wandering around Montana or Idaho, to take something with him other than pepper spray, and not to monkey with Mrs. Grizzly and cubs.

    Grizz Attacks City Fool

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  40. I did have to look twice. I think she lost some weight, don't you?

    Ain't got no prettier, though.

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  41. Oh, Tater, thanks for the kind words. You tell Habu to just keep on cussin them congresscritters. I's got to have Some Effect.

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  42. miztuh Bob-L,

    i knows when miztuh Habu go hiking anywhen in Montana he carry a 44 magnum..

    he knowd it ain't legal in a national park but he has a backpack an din he put on a shoulder holsetr once on da trail dat is covered by his baggy shirt...

    truf iz miztuh Habu don't go too many places witout be'in heeled.

    just da last week he bots a Springfield Armory 14 shot XD model pistol .45ACP....look up Marion Carl, Major General USMC to read part why...Gen Carl was a close friend of Miztuh Habu and his end was tragic ..miztuh Habu ain't forget dat or the GRIZ..

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  43. Looking a little closer at that hog, for getting hit 8 times with a .50 pistol, and another round for final send off, there don't seem to many holes in that hide, and not any blood I can really identify.

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  44. Miztuh Rufus suh,

    miztuh Habu think dem folk in DC git too big headed..he don't mind diss'n 'em within da boinds of da law ..but he been known to shake his finger in Jeb Bush face, talk over his Rep..he tell da rep at a town meeting dat da rep got all free mail and such and dat miztuh Habu wuz gonna say what he come ta say...folks applauded.

    Habu sa da ain't our RULERS da be at our service not vicy vercy

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  45. Well, he be right, Tater. I just wish the Forefathers had seen this one coming, and put in term limits. Oh well, we'll just have to do a little term-limiting on our own from time to time.

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  46. BoB-l

    I agree. Plus a 50 caliber in that kids hands would probably break his wrist. That is a BIG dam handgun. I don't think it would take that many shots to bring that hog down..

    Probably what happened is one of the adults shot it with a long gun and they gave the kid credit.
    They have a story out there so they probably did fill it full of lead AFTER it was dead.
    I got kinfolk from Alabama and sometimes, well especially about hunting, the truth might get stretched a bit..

    Why I remember when Bear Bryant was coaching Alabama and integration was coming. It took Alabama folks awhile to warm up, you might remember that...
    well one day one of Bear's assistant coaches shows up with this black fella, says he can do some runn'n.
    So Bear put's his first team defense on the field, hands the ball to the African -American and says,
    "show me a touchdown"
    Well from the 10 yard line that runner took off, bobb'n and waev'n until he went 90 yards and scored.

    The Bear looked over at the assistant coach and said, "Did you see that puerto rican kid run?"

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  47. Hogs are funny animals. My daddy killed one with a wet corncob. No shit. Hit him in the nose and the damned porker fell right over. Go figure.

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  48. Rufus,

    Term limits are OUR responsibility..we get a shot at the House every two years, a third of the Senate , and the WH every four..course it does have term limits...but it's the American citizen with his eye OFF the ball that lets then get away with this stuff.

    By the same token take a look at a poor state like Montana. They have ONE U.S. Representative and the regulation two Senators.. about the only way they can ever get any clout on any of the important committees is to keep sending the Rep or Sen.. back and back and back. Other wise they are totally out of the game.

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  49. Rufus,

    How long a piece of rebar was attached to that corncob?

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  50. One lousy water-soaked corncob. And, he didn't have a particularly good arm, either. I read about an African villager, somewhere, that killed a lion with a rock. I guess it's true. Strange things happen in nature.

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  51. My daughter is sleeping in the other room. She's recovering from having a tumor removed from inside her brain. She just happened to pass out in front of a small hospital where one of the top brain surgeons in the world was doing a little give-back.

    Her odds were approx 40% against survival, 50% quadriplegic, 60% paraplegic, 90% loss of half or more of sight and hearing.

    Yesterday, she drove herself over to a pool party, and spent the whole afternoon swimming, and her sight has actually improved in one eye that was weak.

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  52. Rufus,

    I ahd no idea you and your family were having to deal with that type of heart rending situation. I will add her to my prayer list even though it sounds like she is doing much much better than the predictions. I am honestly tearfully happy for you and your wife and daughter...Gods grace is a wonderful thing.

    The wife has been summoning me for a half hour to get some chores done..more talk later..always a pleasure Rufus ..God bless you.

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  53. We get really, really lucky, sometimes.

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  54. Rufus, that was my last question I put up on the post. When I read the whole poll, I am very impressed with the absolute audacity of the distortion and true to form, I saw Chip Reid at MSNBC going on about how out of touch Republicans were with the mood of the general American public. He referred to the poll report in the NY times.

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  55. Duece has properly pointed out the continued obloquy perpetrated on the US population by the NY Times. It points to the fact that a "free" press like all of our freedoms come only from our willingness to defend them. That alone is the import of the Second Amendment. The point however is that we must be vigilant to who and what we consult for our information. That brings me to what is ostensibly THE place to get information Wikipedia.

    Some of you may be more aware of any safeguards Wikipedia has put into place but it appears to be a potential petrie dish for disinformation.

    With the net being used more and more by the public and an approaching Presidential election the opportunity for disinformation on topics germane to the issues or candidates is high. I would caution each of us to keep our antenna up for "facts" that don't resonate with your own knowledge base. By collectively being alert to this we can all benefit in our decision making process at a most important time.

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  56. Oops, sorry Deuce; I spaced out, I guess. Maybe I should learn to engage fingers AFTER my morning coffee. :o

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  57. A musical offering for a weekend day.
    John Lee Hooker&Carlos Santana
    Healer

    George Benson&Carlos Santana
    Breez'n

    And, The Rolling Stones
    Under My Thumb

    Enjoy, if it's your groove.

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  58. I getz lots ovya ax'in 'bout da bog,like what it be and what it like ..here be 59 seconds of da bog, but you gotz ta turn up da nob.

    Da bog

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  59. SAN JOSE, Costa Rica (Associated Press) -- Health officials said Friday they have seized more than 350 tubes of Chinese-made toothpaste tainted with a deadly chemical reportedly found in tubes sold elsewhere in the world.

    Health Secretary Maria Luisa Avila said 56 tubes of toothpaste containing diethylene glycol, a chemical commonly used in antifreeze and brake fluid, were found in the northern city of Liberia, and 306 more were seized from a warehouse in the capital of San Jose.

    Avila also said her department issued a nationwide alert although there have been no reports of anyone falling ill.

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  60. Great Slide piece. I saw a couple of my moc cuzzins, there. I think that was MY house back in the background.

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  61. Bless you and your daughter, Rufus.

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  62. Thanks, Bob; I think it'll be okay.

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