
Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder is back in the spotlight joining Pervez Musahrraf as the lastest "world leader" hoping to cash-in with a post 9/11 biography. The BBC seems to think "Schröder's memoir, "Decisions: My Life in Politics" will be a best seller and of course, the buzz is all about Schröder's typical secular progressive misunderstanding of George Bush's faith.
Here's a BBC Video
From Der Spiegel:
October 23, 2006, 11:58 AM
"Bush is an entirely likeable and open negotiating partner," Schröder told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, when its interviewer suggested Schröder had been mild with his rivals in the memoir. "That's old age," Schröder, 62, quipped. But he repeated a charge from his book that Bush made political decisions based on his fear of God. "It's a problem that isn't unique to Bush and the United States," he said. "When (a leader) takes political action directly from prayer, in other words from a dialogue with God, it can be problematic for a democracy."
Schröder targets role of religion in America
By Judy Dempsey International Herald Tribune
Published: October 22, 2006
BERLIN Gerhard Schröder, the former German chancellor, has strongly criticized the growing influence of religious conservatives in the United States while at the same time defending his close friendship with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.
In a lengthy interview in Der Spiegel, the weekly news magazine, and with Bild am Sonntag, Schröder dismissed suggestions that he was anti-American because he opposed the U.S.-led war against Iraq.
The interviews come just days before Schröder 544-page autobiography, "My Life in Politics," is published. It traces the rise of a working class child, whose father was killed during World War II, to the top of German politics.
Schröder told Bild am Sonntag that his meetings with President George W Bush were "pleasant," even though Schröder, along with President Jacques Chirac of France, had opposed Bush's plans to invade Iraq. Schröder's critics had accused him of using strong anti- war rhetoric to win a second term, which he did in 2002.
Schröder said he was "anything but anti-American, even though he openly challenged U.S. policy in Iraq. In the Der Spiegel interview, he described how he had
tears in his eyes as he watched the events of Sept. 11, 2001, on television. "It was important to me that Germany fulfill its requirements as an ally," he said.
But when it came to the planning for the Iraq war, Schröder, referring to Bush, told Der Spiegel that "if a person adopts a policy based on what he gleans from his prayers, in other words, a personal talk with God, it can lead to difficulties in democracy."
Schröder went on to criticize the growing role of religion in U.S. politics.
"We rightly criticize that in most Islamic states, the role of religion for society and the character of the role of law are not clearly separated," he said.
"But we fail to recognize that in the U.S.A., the Christian fundamentalists and their interpretation of the Bible have similar tendencies."
When asked by Der Spiegel if he still believed Putin was an "impeccable democrat," as Schröder himself called him during one of his several meetings with the
Russian president in 2005, he replied: "I have nothing to correct."
Putin and Schröder had established an unusually close personal relationship. While most German leaders eventually forge close contacts with whoever is in power in Moscow, Schröder adopted two Russian children. Moreover, he became a member of the board of a company owned by Gazprom, the Russian state-owned gas monopoly giant and one of the most powerful companies in Russia.
When Putin visited Berlin in September 2005, less than two weeks before parliamentary elections, he and Schröder put the final touches to the construction of
a German-Russian gas pipeline that would run under the Baltic Sea and for the first time directly allow Gazprom to directly send gas from Russia to its markets in Western Europe. Immediately after the election, the defeated Schröder was appointed to a new company charged with overseeing the project.
In the interview with Der Spiegel, Schröder said the elections had nothing to do with his new job and defended the joint venture.
I would be very troubling if George Bush claimed that God had told him what to do, but the President on a Barbara Walters Special told a relieved Ms. Walters, that he does not hear from God but studies the Bible and prays for guidance.
Schröder says that he is not anti-American and that is possibly true but he shares a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity with other secular progressives that could prove detrimental to the struggle with radical Islam:
Schröder went on to criticize the growing role of religion in U.S. politics.
"We rightly criticize that in most Islamic states, the role of religion for society and the character of the role of law are not clearly separated," he said.
"But we fail to recognize that in the U.S.A., the Christian fundamentalists and their interpretation of the Bible have similar tendencies."
George Bush is a member of the Methodist Church which is hardly a bastion of fundamentalist American Christianity . In fact, the Methodist church is considered to be one of the most liberal of the evangelical churches in America. Schröder is either truly ignorant about religion or has made a calculated appeal to the secular left. Either way, for a western leader of his stature to equate Islam and Christianity does not bode well for the future of a secular Europe or what's left of the Christian West.
me zinks Shroder may be a rotten ratz-fink, Ja? Ze haz zi Tuetonic Plague!
ReplyDeleteAmong Schröder's accomplishments was to call for the lifting of the European Union's weapons embargo against China. He did not go quite as far as GWB into soul gazing but never passed on a chance to bash America if he thought it could help him stay in power.The Germans love to hate America. He referred to the new Russian quasi-czar, Vladimir Putin,as a "flawless democrat."
ReplyDeleteSchröder came from the same school of sixties left wing political activists which included Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
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ReplyDeleteThe fact is Schröder is much like Bill Clinton. He can cry on cue and is a master manipulator of the easily manipulated, MSM. I am sure he is a charmer, he likes the ladies and I would bet he never wanted to go to his knees for a page boy. He has been married four times. I am sure he would be a fun guest at the Elephant but when the chips were down, he put his finger into the air and forgot who his friends are. He deserves three oinks and a kick in the ass.
ReplyDeleteThe Germans love to hate America. He referred to the new Russian quasi-czar, Vladimir Putin,as a "flawless democrat.
ReplyDeleteFine by me, if they hate us and love Putin, lets close our bases, rotate the troops through a tour in Iraq, and let the Germans welcome their new Russian overlords.
Putin's probably got "Other" Plans for that Pooter.
ReplyDeleteThe word, "Deliverance," comes to mind.
ReplyDeleteYou know, T, I've always hated wasting our money stationing troops over there; but, as someone pointed out, "Every time we leave those sorry bastards (Euros) alone, they get things all fucked up, again.
ReplyDeleteWell, it lets Rumsfeld and Cheney off the Hook. I love the way great thinkers can simplify things.
ReplyDeleteI know our bases in Germany are to close. The negotiations and all are done, but I do not know why it takes so long to close them.
ReplyDeleteSharp, I imagine we actually have signed treaties, etc. that preclude us moving too fast. After all the caterwauling for the cameras is done, they like that couple of billion a year that we're spending over there. I said, "couple of billion;" it might actually be quite a bit more than that.
ReplyDeleteIt is disgusting to think we are helping their economy. The last thing I read indicated a problem with placing all of the troops here with proper training facilities.
ReplyDeleteGermany is a big trading partner with Iran, and we trust them at the table for us.
Is Europe really to secular to understand a religious person who functions in a job, or are they slinging dirt with the talk of messages from God?
ReplyDeleteWe probably just made one big mistake in WWII. We should have just kept bombing Berlin till there was nothing left, then went over and poured salt on the ground. Then, gone to Paris and done the same.
ReplyDeleteI seriously doubt there can ever be peace in the world (for long) as long as there's a Berlin, Paris, and Moscow.
Sharp, Deuce hangs out over there some, maybe he can shed some light on the Schroder Anti-Christian/Bush talking to God remarks.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Steyn two of those cities will cease to exist by their own actions, and the whole country of Russia in going down. Steyn also said in one interview Schroder is not a nice man. It would be good to hear from someone who goes there. I know he used anti-Semitism in the election, but I don't know what he thinks. I don't know what Clinto thinks either.
ReplyDeleteYou know, Sharp, you bring up an interesting question. What is the history of Religion in Germany? I know the older French people were moderately (I think) religious; but, what about the Germans?
ReplyDeleteAnyone?
Schroder is a used car salesman/politician. But, a pretty good one. He'll tell the customer (voter/constituent) whatever it is he wants to hear. It was obviously anti-Americanism, anti-religion.
ReplyDeleteWere they all primed to accept their new "Godless" Commie Masters (before Reagan screwed it up,) or, were they always pretty anti-religious?
If they can make This work, we can tell the Muzzies, and the Venezuelans, and every body else to kiss our rusty butts.
ReplyDeleteAnd, These People aren't "playing" around. They're serious.
ReplyDeleteRufus--You always cheer me up with the links you provide on energy. Thanks. Seems there is a lot of work going on one isn't normally aware of.
ReplyDeleteBig changes coming, Bob. $55.00 Oil was a "World-Changer."
ReplyDeleteIf we had to throw Schroder and Putin out of the EB we'd need a highly trained specialist in waste disposal to help point out the clean end of those turds.
ReplyDeleteLike P'Tater said, Habu, "There ain't no Clean End."
ReplyDeleteYouts Celebrate multiculturalism.
ReplyDeleteGermany is Lutheran in the north and catholic in Bavarian south. That is mostly a memory as the churches are empty. The Germans used to be a cultural, scientific, philosophical and musical world power. After the second twentieth century defeat in WWII and the world condemnation for the atrocities against the Jews, they hid behind the American shield and helped defend against communism and the Soviets. They focused on rebuilding their economy. They got rich but they never found their reason to being. Schröeder was part of the 1968 generation of student radicals that seized on the American Civil rights movement.
ReplyDeleteThey applied it to the German experience, which had been not opening and welcoming to immigrants. They needed to show that they were better than the Americans and developed the architecture of multi-culturism.
The idea of Germany turning against the US is troubling to many Americans that know the degree of support given to Germany during the Cold War. The US owes nothing to Germany and based on recent experience should expect nothing in return.
I would count on the French before I counted on the Germans. The French are ruthless in pursuit of their interests. The best recent example was the first Gulf War where they provided substantial support to the liberation of Kuwait. They did that because it was in their interest. The Germans do not know who they are, what they are, or where they are going. The future of the United States in Europe is the East. Holland, Denmark, UK and Italy, can be called on depending on the government. France will be there if they see it is in their interest. Germany may follow France.
ReplyDeleteThey are in Afghanistan, but not for support to the US but because they read it as being in the interest of their commitment to Nato.
The big player in the future is Poland and most of the other ex-communist countries. We would do well to develop an energy policy that would isolate the Eastern Europeans from the Soviet energy trap.
THIS DAY IN HISTORY
ReplyDelete1929 : Stock market crashes
1956 : Israel invades Egypt; Suez Crisis begins
2006 : Scientists discover turds
dirty on both ends
It was some old Austrian/Bavarian(?) who, when asked what they would do after an alliance of European countries pulled their nuts out of the fire, replied: "We will astonish the World with our ingratitude."
ReplyDeleteThe thing about the Europeans is they are basicly financial morons. It's inexplicable. They are getting ready to "Crush" Hungary, and Italy.
ReplyDeleteThe ultra-lib Hungarian PM agreed to raise taxes and sumultaneously cut government spending 7% of GDP IN TWO YEARS! This will
totally smash their rather fragile economy. That would be analogous to us cutting ONE TRILLION DOLLARS, or roughly 1/3 of spending IN TWO YEARS.
INSANITY!
They're doing the same thing to Italy.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, Hungary, if I'm not mistaken, has fairly low taxes, so a tax hike won't "kill" them, and it's hardly ever a bad idea to trim government spending; but, to cut so deeply, so precipitously, Is beyond belief. That should be a ten- 15 year project.
They're always doing crap like that. They just kept piling on "reparations" that the other countries couldn't pay (see Germany - Twice,) and I know there are other examples if I would look them up.
Anyway, I strongly agree about Poland. It has been dealt a very nasty hand by Geography, but they're due to catch a break.
Here's a Link for that Euro Screed.
ReplyDeleteThe Polish government is particularly suspicious about Germany's new "Ostpolitik," or eastern policy, which attempts to reach out to Russia through a network of economic, social, cultural and trade ties in order to bring the country closer to Europe.
ReplyDeleteEugeniusz Smolar, director of the Center for International Relations in Warsaw, says the strategy is flawed because it fails to focus on "values," including human rights and press freedom.
Ostpolitik
Why do the countries have to abide by EU rules if they aren't EU members?
ReplyDeleteFrance gives the commitment in Lebanon as the reason for withdrawing troops from Afghanistan which makes sense. Why are they threatening to shoot at Israli planes over Lebanon?
ReplyDeleteI saw Pakistan is trying to make Bajaur(?) independent like it did Waziristan, and France is the loudest opposition. Why? And why aren't we?
I like the algae project. Let the market work, and problems will be solved.
ReplyDeleteSam, What is their reasoning for going the Baltic Sea, route?
ReplyDeleteSharp, the way I understand it, Hungary is a member of the European Union, but they're not admitted to the Euro "Currency" part of it. Which they want to be. Which means they're doing a lot of rosebud-drilling. Or something :)
ReplyDeleteSomeone who knows something needs to say it better.
Sharp, the algae story makes everything else, and I mean "Everything" else, Obsolete.
ReplyDeleteBTW, Is Poland still Religious?
ReplyDeletePope John Paul II was Polish.
ReplyDeleteI Know The Pope Was Religious, Is Poland? :)
ReplyDeleteCIA Fact Book says 89% are Catholic with 75% practicing. The fertility rate is 1.25 for a Catholic country.
ReplyDeleteRufus,
ReplyDeleteShit, I don't know. So they don't have to pay any rights to Poland? Really, I don't know.
Dang, that many practicing Catholics, and a 1.25% fertility rate; that's bizarre. That's a head-scratcher.
ReplyDeleteCrap, they're poor as dirt. It's the Mexico of Europe. $12,000.00 annual income, 20% unemployment. Good growth, but they's got a loooong way to go.
ReplyDelete$12,000.00 GDP per Capita, not income.
ReplyDelete40% of their land is arable, and they farm 1% of it. That Socialism is AAAAlllRIIIGHT.
ReplyDeleteIs one of the new bases being built in Poland? I thought part of the base relocation was to eastern Europe and to Asia.
ReplyDeleteYes, yes..but where does Poland fit into the Melian dialogue?
ReplyDeleteIs it right before the Zen leaf raking or after we discover that picking the turd up in the middle makes no difference?
I don't know if it's official, or not, Sharp. I'm like you; I've heard talk, and such. Seems like it's always in context of the Russians squawking, and protesting.
ReplyDeleteWe're probably going to put one of our Missile Defense Bases there, if the Democrats in the House will let us. That'll really drive the Bear Batshit Crazy. It will take away his perceived ability to threaten Europe, and Pooty poot don't like that idea at tall.
Habu, I'm sure the Athenians conquered Poland at some time along the way. Everybody Else Did.
ReplyDeleteHell, the Melians probably did.
The Poles ain't big on Zen, I don't think. Kinda hard to get in a Zennie State of Mind after you've spent a thousand years having Russian and German horses and tanks rollin over your haid.
And speaking of turds. Them Russian and German horses dropping on your poor old Polish head for a millenia will definitely knock the old fertility rate down.
ReplyDeleteRumor is the Scynthians was going to settle there, and they looked to the West and saw the Hun, and looked East and saw the Tartars and said, "Man, this place is gonna get bizzy; let's keep moving and find us a nice island somewhere. We'll call it Ireland, for some damn reason. It'll drive historians crazy for a thousand years.
ReplyDeleteBTW, that was poor interview for Rice quoted at Atlas. She is usually better prepared. I hope she has something other than cliches for Larry Tues. She has been running so many directions, I don't see how she keeps up.
ReplyDeleteState Dept, many times for good reason, is a thankless job. She's been bizzier than a Polish mapmaker.
ReplyDeleteLebanon, Iran, Iraq, N Korea, Palestine. Sheesh. I bet she wishes Cheney would retire.
One thing Poland still has is anti-semitism, as always, but no semites now. Pathological.
ReplyDeleteRufus, Cheney is protection for Bush. More than one Dem. has said they would not waste our time and money trying to impeach with Cheney in line.
ReplyDeleteDid you see the new British tax system at Luskin's site? What our taxers could do with computer system. BigBro
ReplyDeleteThem Jews, got friends all Over Europe, don't they?
ReplyDeleteFor smart people they're awful damned dumb. Why didn't they just move to Arizona? They wouldn't of had people shootin attem all the time, and we would've appreciated the GDP. Or Malibu? Or Florida? . . . . . oh, wait
they did . . . . anyway . .
I don't know about your property taxes, but I think it would take one hell of a computer to get mine any higher.
ReplyDeleteThose Brits got a lot of Muzzies to support, Mosques to build, Railway systems to repair, that type of thing, you know?
Rufus,
ReplyDeleteYou have your Polish history upside down. It's Poles that spent a thousand years riding their cavalry through Russian Ukrainian German Lithuanian homes.
polish hegemony can be illustrated by:
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-The Magical Fruit hypothesis, as applied to beans
-the modern pronunciation of "kiwi"
-schlotzsky's sublimation reaction that demonstrated how different sandwiches sublimate at different pressures
A joke told to me in China by my Chinese teacher:
ReplyDeleteSo at an airport three people are getting the baggage checked. The first guy is American. He opens his briefcase to show the inspector, and there are 7 pairs of underwear. The inspector asks, "Why do you have 7 pairs of underwear." The American responds, "One for Monday, one for Tuesday, one for Wednesday, and so on. One for each day of the week." He passes through, and the next guy gets inspected. He's French. He opens his briefcase and he has 5 pairs of underwear. Again the guard asks, "Why do you have 5 pairs of underwear?" The Frenchman responds, "One for Monday, one for Tuesday, one for Wednesday, one for Thursday and one for Friday. But you know, us Frenchmen are so romantic, so I don't wear underwear on the weekends." He's allowed through and the next guy steps up. He's an Arab. He opens his briefcase and the inspector finds 12 pairs of underwear. "Why 12 pairs? Why do you need so many?" he asks. The Arab replies, "Well, I need one for January, one for February, one for March...."
Either he was trying to warm my heart, or he isnt a fan of the jawas.
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ReplyDeleteYou know how you catch a (insert your favorite hated minority here) when he's drinking water? Slam the toilet seat on his head. Har, har, har.
ReplyDeleteTen thousand Swedes
ReplyDeleteCrawlin' through the weeds
Advancin' on Copenhagen...
Perhaps Schroeder is sincere.
ReplyDeleteIt recalls the clogged toilet who-dun-its at the office.
Amidst emails, signs, post-its and memos all staff are encouraged to pursue non-threatening bowel habits.
But patterns begin to emerge. Every two to three days, by late afternoon, water is seeping under the door from another infernal obstruction
Without being caught in the act, the culprit can continue. Its been said he can hide crime with toilet paper craft, a veil to make his movement more modest. An unsuspecting user flushes as a common coutesy, only to see the toilet burble over its humble rim.
We've got ourselves a Schroeder. Causing all manner of mischief, but until we catch them, or give the impression of inevitable discovery through due diligence, our lil Schroeder will continue apace.
sharp,
ReplyDeletere: Cal Thomas, Pamela, Dr. Rice
While I’m sure Cal Thomas and Pamela were grossly unfair to Dr. Rice, she did say,
“SECRETARY RICE: Well, you can look at any opinion poll in the Palestinian territories and 70 percent of the people will say they're perfectly ready to live side by side with Israel because they just want to live in peace.”
Dr. Rice provided no citation of the poll(s) she relied upon for her claim. I am not surprised. No such poll(s) exist. Therefore, Madame Rice was being disingenuous, duplicitous, and/or delusional.
If anyone can cite a poll corroborating Madame Rice, please do.
I will now add Pamela and Cal Thomas to the fast growing list of former Republican icons. At the present rate of burn, soon only the President and his inner circle will be left.
There is no better word that "pathetic" to define German Political Leadership. This is hard to believe. What an absolute disgrace:
ReplyDeleteGermany Reconsiders Sending Troops on Foreign Missions
..."Defense Minister Jung said Germany should limit its foreign missions
Senior politicians on Sunday said Germany should rethink its role in foreign peacekeeping missions as the scandal over soldiers playing with skulls in Afghanistan battered the army's image.
Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung warned that Germany may have stretched the military to its limits by sending troops on 11 foreign missions, ranging from Africa to the Middle East to Afghanistan.
"Even if we have the support of parliament, many deputies feel that we have reached the limit. We should practice restraint," Jung told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper. "Until now we have failed to accompany the growing number of foreign military missions with a proper debate about their meaning and purpose," he added."... DW
Istarious, I guess I'd better go back and read some history, thanks
ReplyDeleteDeuce,
ReplyDeleteFor all the faults of the German elite, the German people may yet form a line of defense against Islam. They may eventually push the elite onto the offense. If done in the usual manner we may not like the resulting Reich. Muslims may like it even less.
Will the Germans begin the crusade by first attacking Jews, as has been their habit?
Nancy Pelosi recently said, speaking of the coming dem victory--"The gavel of the speaker of the House is in the hands of the special interests, and now it will be in the hands of America's children."
ReplyDeleteIndeed, and will be.
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