COLLECTIVE MADNESS


“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Saturday, October 07, 2006

"Securing Baghdad ... won't win. But losing Baghdad will lose,"

"13 Soldiers Killed in and around Baghdad since Monday."

This is what real proactive military action looks like; not the "force protection" tactics employed in a misguided attempt to "wait and see" or "let the Iraqis sort it out" strategy.


Baghdad Battle Bloodier for U.S. Troops
By PATRICK QUINN
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq

Oct 05 6:06 PM US/Eastern

The Iraq war could be heading to its decisive moment: a battle for the capital of Baghdad that already has turned dramatically bloodier for American soldiers and carries enormous stakes for the country's future.

At least 13 American soldiers have been killed around Baghdad since Monday _ the highest four-day U.S. toll in the capital since the 2003 invasion.

That count is likely to rise higher as the U.S.-led forces step up their campaign to root out the extremist militias, death squads and terrorist cells that have turned the city into a collection of armed, ethnically divided camps.

No longer a limited security problem while the main war was being fought out west in Anbar province, the battle of Baghdad is turning out to be "a critical point in the Iraq war," says former Pentagon analyst Anthony Cordesman.

"Securing Baghdad ... won't win. But losing Baghdad will lose," Cordesman says. "If they lose, Iraq is likely to slip into a major civil war."

Much of Baghdad is yet to be targeted in the joint U.S.-Iraqi pacification operation. Top commanders _ signaling the toughest fight is yet to come _ say they need six more Iraqi battalions, or 3,000 soldiers, to join the 30,000 Iraqi security forces and 15,000 Americans already in the city.

U.S. commanders have defined victory as reducing violence in the capital to the point where Iraqi civilian police could handle security. With order restored in the capital, the Iraqi government then could focus on providing security and basic services to the rest of the country _ thus creating conditions for U.S. troops to leave.

Baghdad is "the center of gravity for the country. Everybody knows that," Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. general in Iraq, told The Associated Press in a recent interview. "The bad guys know it, we know it, the Iraqis know it. So we have to help the Iraqis secure their capital if they're going to go forward."

U.S. officials won't say how they define defeat _ insisting there is no choice but to win. Senior military officials concede it will take weeks if not months to turn Baghdad around. But they insist no effort can be spared.

In one sign of how crucial Baghdad is to the success of the U.S. war effort, top commanders have moved soldiers from western Iraq's Anbar province to Baghdad for the offensive. Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli, the No. 2 general in Iraq, called the reshuffling necessary to "winning the main effort" in Baghdad.

The battle started relatively easily: U.S. soldiers encountered little resistance when the new offensive began Aug. 7 in the mostly Sunni Muslim areas of western Baghdad.

But that changed as operations shifted into Shiite strongholds near the Sadr City neighborhood _ stronghold of the Mahdi Army of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Now, as the Shiites and Sunnis struggle for power, Shiite snipers fire routinely at U.S. patrols, even as Sunni insurgents plant roadside bombs west of the capital.

To achieve success, the Americans and their Iraqi partners are trying to weaken both the Sunni and Shiite extremist groups equally.

"I can't drive (the Mahdi Army) into the dirt and let (al-Qaida) basically conduct suicide attacks at will," one senior coalition intelligence officer said on condition of anonymity for security reasons. "I've got to take both elements out of the equation."

The military tries to encourage the militias' political patrons to reach a political deal, and offers benefits.

Once U.S. troops secure a neighborhood, reconstruction teams move in to map plans to restore electricity, water and sewage. Those teams have 90 days to make proposals, which are submitted to the Iraqi government for funding.

The operation has achieved some success: In July, violent deaths among civilians in Baghdad soared to an unprecedented high of 3,590, according to the United Nations. In August the figure dropped to 3,009, the U.N. said.

But the battle has proved politically tricky.

Many of the estimated 23 Shiite and Sunni militias operating in the capital have ties to the very politicians whom the U.S. encouraged to join the new government of national unity. Al-Sadr, for example, is a pillar of support for Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

And gunmen considered by the Americans to be a threat to Iraq's survival are often viewed by their own communities as their best source of protection.

"There's a lot of politics going on now, and we're a police force, not an army," said Sgt. Nicholas Sowinski, 25, of Tempe, Ariz., assigned to the 4th Squadron, 14th Cavalry Regiment. "It limits our options."

Hurriyah, a once-quiet mixed neighborhood of north Baghdad, serves as an example of the dilemma.

Just over a year ago, al-Sadr's militiamen quietly slipped in and set up an office in the main outdoor market. They told Shiites they would protect them from a Sunni militia called Omar's Army.

By early October, Shiite militiamen were roaming the streets of Hurriyah, kidnapping, killing and intimidating Sunnis. Handbills circulating last month warned that 10 Sunnis would die for every Shiite killed.

Late last month, Shiite gunmen killed four Sunnis outside a mosque in Hurriyah. The next day, a Sunni extremist group detonated a bomb in Sadr City, killing 37.

Many U.S. soldiers say their biggest problem is that local people are not helping to identify militiamen.

"Unless you catch (them) in the act, you're not going to catch them at all," said Staff Sgt. Justin Nelson, 26, of Stockton, Calif. "The main thing that you think about when you take someone in is: How's the public going to take this?"

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/061006092139.01w3e43i.html

Two suicide bombers in Afghanistan kill 1 and injure 16.

60 comments:

  1. Whit, BBC is reporting this

    Troops launch crackdown in Kirkuk

    The curfew has been imposed indefinitely

    The Iraqi city of Kirkuk has been placed under a total curfew as Iraqi troops backed by US-led coalition forces search for insurgents.

    Police said at least 150 people had been detained and arms and ammunition seized in the northern city.

    The major operation began as a suicide car bomb hit an army checkpoint in the northern city of Tal Afar.

    Four soldiers and 10 civilians died in the city held up as a model by US President George W Bush in March.

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  3. It's only gonna get worse as the elections come up.

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  4. A smaller than needed military presence means that the US military cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, to wit:

    “[T]op commanders have moved soldiers from western Iraq's Anbar province to Baghdad for the offensive.”

    Would anyone care to guess what is going to be happening in Anbar in the absence of American troops? You are correct: it will fall back into anarchy, and American blood will be spilled re-re-reclaiming the ground lost.



    “To achieve success, the Americans and their Iraqi partners are trying to weaken both the Sunni and Shiite extremist groups equally.”
    Ah, yes, the need for delicate political correctness cannot be overstressed. And that "partner" angle has the ring of televangelism.


    “Many of the estimated 23 Shiite and Sunni militias operating in the capital have ties to the very politicians whom the U.S. encouraged to join the new government of national unity.”

    A well conceived strategy, if ever there was one.


    “‘There's a lot of politics going on now, and we're a police force, not an army,’ said Sgt. Nicholas Sowinski, 25, of Tempe, Ariz…”

    Oh, happy day! At long last, a man with his head not firmly shoved up his ass, or his nose into someone else’s.


    "‘The main thing that you think about when you take someone in is: How's the public going to take this?’”

    Yesiree, Bobby, wouldn’t want to harm anyone’s person or feelings.


    Just for the record, General Pace was at Kirtland last week, assuring Airmen that, by golly, he supported them 110% in the downsizing of the USAF (40,000 over three years). I bet those enlisted folk were just pleased as Punch to hear that.

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  5. Given the state of contemporary American politics, something in these headlines might be instructive.
    Madagascar airport closed to stop politician's return
    Hong Kong issues warning over contaminated eels

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  6. let's be honest...

    it aint a "civil war"

    it's war with IRAN, among others

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  7. Rumsfeld Shift Lets Army Seek Larger Budget
    The defense secretary is allowing the Army to approach White House budget officials by itself to argue for substantial increases in resources.
    Go to Complete Coverage »

    The defense secretary has broken Pentagon precedent by allowing the Army to make its financial case directly to the president’s Office of Management and Budget, a task normally managed by the defense secretary and his staff rather than by the individual military services. The Air Force and the Navy also asked to present their budgets directly to the budget agency and the requests were granted.

    The federal government is at the point in the budget process where departments are building their budget requests, with the Office of Management and Budget overseeing the effort.

    Pentagon officials said the Army was seeking about $138 billion for the next fiscal year, compared with its $112 billion request last year. Army officials told Congress that the service was already $50 billion short in equipment when terrorists struck on Sept. 11, 2001, and that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would require $17.1 billion in extra spending for 2007 just to repair and replace tanks, Humvees and other gear. Money to repair and replace equipment is expected to be $13 billion in 2008 and the next five years.

    As negotiations in the Defense Department and with the Office of Management and Budget got under way to build the 2008 budget proposal, which the White House is due to submit to Congress in February, the Army took the unusual step of ignoring a deadline for submitting its central budget document, which the armed services use to explain their missions and resource requests.

    “This is unusual, but we are in unusual times,” a senior Defense Department official said. The official, who said the missions assigned to the armed forces were larger than those envisioned in official Pentagon strategy and far outstrip what can be supported by current budgets, described the conundrum Mr. Rumsfeld and the Army face.

    “Do we lower our strategy, or do we raise our resources?” said the official, who was given anonymity to discuss budget deliberations. “That’s where we’re at.”

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  8. Warm fuzzies for 'Tater.
    mmmm porridge
    ---
    Moscow Reporter Shot Dead
    Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya, a critic of the war in Chechnya, is found dead.

    The attack was the highest-profile killing of a journalist in Russia since July 2004, when Paul Klebnikov, an American editor of the Russian edition of Forbes magazine, was gunned down outside his office. Twelve journalists have been killed since Putin came to power in 2000, and most of the cases remain unsolved.

    The Kremlin issued no immediate comment on the killing.

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  9. So here we are six years into the new millineun. War abounds.
    Many of you have heard me refer the author Robert Conquest when talking about the Stalinist treatment of the Ukraine in the early 1930's
    Victor David Hansen has written an insightful piece on Mr. Conquest's new book,"Refections on a Ravaged Century"
    Robert Conquest has been called by Paul Johnson "our greatest living modern historian." As a new century begins, Conquest offers an illuminating examination of our past failures and a guide to where we should go next. Graced with one of the most acute gifts for political prescience since Orwell, Conquest assigns responsibility for our century's cataclysms not to impersonal economic or social forces but to the distorted ideologies of revolutionary Marxism and National Socialism. The final, sobering chapters of Reflections on a Ravaged Century concern themselves with some coming storms, notably that of the European Union, which Conquest believes is an economic, cultural, and geographical misconception divisive of the West and doomed to failure.
    I would highly recommend Mr Hansen's article as it relates to where we are today.
    VDH Article

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  10. But Americas United tm will be just peachy.
    As GWB said just yesterday:
    "Diversity is Really Cool"
    ...or some such.
    "Explainin" why his letting in unlimited numbers of criminals, helpless, and sick is just the ticket.
    Or, as Mike Savage says:
    "Diversity is Perversity"

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  11. Girls get the vapors.
    Then they get over em.

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  12. Stick w/that pic, Tater!
    Beeuutiful!

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  13. habu; 9:37:54 PM

    re: VDH

    Thanks for the link!

    “The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything.”
    ___Emile Cammaerts
    The American Chesterton Society

    The 20th Century’s saturnalia to Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Fascism, and Nazism captures the sempiternal nature of Cammaerts’ quote.

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  14. Allen,
    You are more than welcome.
    I have added hte link to The American Chesterton Society to my favorites. Why it hasn't been there before I don't know because I have read the man. Now I have a great sight to go to, thanks.

    I was just looking at Expedia for flights to Baghdad but I didn't get any results ..somebody commerical has to be going in there.

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  15. Allen,
    If the internet has taught me anything it is how much I don't know and given out finite lives will never know. But what a bountiful resource.
    To be able to come to a forum such as the EB and learn, discover,debate, and then learn more is a delight.
    Mr. Berners-Lee has changed so much and yet there is still so much to change..it is constant as Hericlitus noted in a pre Plato world.

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  16. habu1,

    re: EB

    Spending time here is like a trip to the Library of Congress - where to begin.

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  17. Split it up into Kurdish north and Shi'a south and give the Sunnis their little triangle with no oil. A unified Iraq was always a colonial fiction.

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  18. All is well with our host, I hope?

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  19. Rufus,
    The revolt of the Mullah and the description of the action going on sounds like a CIA operation.
    For years we have known of the unhappiness of the youth. It could be that many of the old CIA hands from the 70's lent their expertise to the new agents who, in league with the old Savak and others turned a mullah or two and popped the cork.
    Just a guess but it does not sound like a spontaneous uprising..too much barricading of streets etc..we'll know in the next day or two which side will win...We may bee the Shah's son return to the Peacock Throne.

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  20. early nite for Habu...
    Best to all

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  21. Good night to u habu and evening to the rest of the packy derms

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  22. habu,

    Thinking of the Library of Congress, what would Jefferson have made of the internet? He would have thought himself dead and transported to that non-existent heaven.

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  23. Thinking of the Library of Congress, what would Jefferson have made of the internet? He would have thought himself dead and transported to that non-existent heaven.

    Especially when Massa Tom surfed over to XXX LIVE NUDE SLAVE GIRLS.COM XXX

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  24. Allen,
    I think you are correct, C-4 will never come here because he cannot hit and run. He is a smart guy with a a blind hatred that occludes his judgement, but will not engage in any subject except which he chooses.

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  25. I would loeve to have him stand toe to toe and answer some of your questions and mine, but I doubt he will do it.

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  26. Does habu have a paid endorsement or is it just my computer?

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  27. Maybe I should get a tattoo put on the elephant.

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  28. good thread.

    Teresita, how are we supposed to regard Jefferson--as a slaver or as a philosopher? Which will be more help to our future generations?

    Someone nearby remembered the anniversary of the Battle of Lepanto, then above referenced a Chesterton group. So here is a link to Chesterton's great epic poem "Lepanto". Some of it is marvelous--the imagery.

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  29. slimslowslider,

    re: Jamie Irons

    If he is able, Buddy Larsen might be able to point you to some of Dr. Iron's poetic and non-poetic work. It's worthwhile, I assure you.

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  30. Allen are you still in the military?

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  31. Jamie had a website--might still--I'll check and see--

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  32. 2164th,

    re: C4

    It is a pity.

    He thinks Judaism is monolithic. He is mistaken. We are as sectarian, if not more so than Christians. Laughingly, we joke, "With two Jews, you get three opinions." While we are often thought of as the "People of the Book", I think it more apropos to say we are the people of the "Yes, No, and Maybe so." When we are Orthodox, we are of all people most fixed, despite the fact that we think it perfectly reasonable to argue with the G-d who gave the commandments to which we hold fast. Go figure.

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  33. Buddy said:

    Teresita, how are we supposed to regard Jefferson--as a slaver or as a philosopher? Which will be more help to our future generations?

    I suppose if we can remember Mark Foley as the gay Republican who voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, we can remember Thomas Jefferson as the slave-owning proponent of a society based on liberty.

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  34. teresita,

    re: XXX

    You are a naughty girl! Do try to be charitable, Mr. Jefferson was merely a man of his time. Rest assured, the future will not be kind to us.

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  35. 2164th,

    re: military

    My wife is. I'm now just civilian trash. ;-)

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  36. It is always a mistake to judge a person outside of the context of their time. It is a meaningless excercise and it gives no real insight into the person. It is no more meaningful to discuss Jefferson and his slaves outside of the context of time than it is to discuss the age of consent outside of time. Prior to 1890, the age on consent for females was 12. It did not apply for males. There would be as much logic to saying Jefferson was evil to own slaves as it would be to claim that socity prior to 1890 was composed of mostly pedophiles and supporters of pedophiles. Both claims are as logically as absurd as the other.

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  37. I sent Dr. Irons an email--maybe he'll appear. Meanwhile, he's around Flares quite a bit, as well as Roger Simon's--not to mention, as you know, BC.

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  38. Do not let the name fool you; Patience is a lady in the mold of Lady Thatcher. Now if she could just tell Mr. Bush not to go wobbly.
    Multiculturalism hasn't worked: let's rediscover Britishness

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  39. So true--to read teresita's post right after the Thornton piece @ VDH's site, is to see in action (all due respect, Tess) the very error of thought therein warned on.

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  40. Allen, I will have a post on the very subject for morning coffee

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  41. I have to use photoshop more than before becaus esome of the images have copywrights and then they disappear when the google search engine finds them

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  42. copyrights are imbedded in some of the code.

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  43. If anyone sees "what is occupation" express my regret at having failed to say, "Hey." Also, tell him I'll have a bag of those Kosher pork rinds for Allah. BBQ, please.

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  44. All the respect that is due those that insist on a cynical perspective, that is.
    (which depends on the perspective of those granting the respect)

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  45. None of us, I think, have commented on the senseless, barbaric loss to the Pennsylvania Amish.

    May the Lord bless and keep them.
    May the Lord cause is face to shine upon them
    And give them peace.

    They are a kind, gentle, honest folk. I own furniture built by the Illinois Amish to my specification. It will last for generations, assuming my progeny have the good sense to value craftsmanship. I have spent days leisurely wandering through Amish settlements across the US. In every instance, I have been warmly received and welcomed.

    My heart goes out to them.

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  46. She's more valuable than any of us, doug. We sit around agreeing with each other (+/-), while Tess, the unique political/economic right-wing cultural lefty, might be actually spreading some sense into her particular subculture. If the fashionable people (*cough*) ever join up with us endullened trogs, why, together we might can get rid of Senator Durbin.

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  47. Allen, the way those folk have handled all this, is truly astonishing. They seem to be what they are. I agree with you, and good on you for saying it.

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  48. Buddy Larsen,

    re: Tess

    Indeed!

    I was born ingnorant and I've been loosing ground ever since. Quote untitled.

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  49. The morning news and post is out. A tip of the hat to Allen. You really have to read the mission statement and look at the graphics. I better get some sleep. Good night fellows. I am having fun and hope you all are as well. Peace and may truth prevail.

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  50. yep--trail's end for me, too--nite, world.

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  51. Buddy,

    re: the Amish

    I am an old man, whose first thoughts and dreams are of smoldering bodies and tattoos. I am not a pacifist. I think pacifism a fools bargain. Be that as it may, I take comfort in the knowledge that there exist small enclaves of innocence; albeit, shattered by recent events. I pray the Amish will always be with us.

    Good night, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.

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  52. That's funny--the tv woke me up yesterday playing an old Jimmy Durante movie. Unless you saw it, too, there's more to these durn electronical transmissions than we thought.

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  53. It is no more meaningful to discuss Jefferson and his slaves outside of the context of time than it is to discuss the age of consent outside of time.

    This is a fallacious argument because the age of consent is, in theological terms, "ceremonial law." Biologically a girl becomes a woman at menarche. The interval from the biological onset of puberty to the legally permissable age of marriage is an arbitrary one defined by the current ambient culture. It amounts to the same thing as religious laws about eating only some kinds of foods. But owning another human being as if that human were an animal or a chair is "moral law" because it is wrong in all times and places. And owning a human being of one color while participating in a revolution for the liberty of human beings of another color is either pure hypocrisy or a failure to acknowledge a whole class of human beings qua humans.

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  54. Yes, Tess, it was a horror. That's why USA fought a huge civil war to end it, losing 2.5% of the national population (equivalent to 7.5 million KIA today) in the doing.

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  55. Jefferson was born into an ancient system, high enough up the food chain that he could help win a revolution against an oppressor.

    Should he have done something different, say fight to end slavery first, instead?

    That's a great question.

    Poverty and illness exist right now.

    We all hope and pray and work toward its end.

    We hope in time it WILL end.

    But, immediately, should we work and support the politics of that philosophy, or should we do something more pure--perhaps take vows of poverty and go sell pencils on the streetcorner?

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  56. allen said...
    If anyone sees "what is occupation" express my regret at having failed to say, "Hey." Also, tell him I'll have a bag of those Kosher pork rinds for Allah. BBQ, please.


    thanks for the New Year's Greeting!

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