COLLECTIVE MADNESS


“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Saturday, October 11, 2008

Culture Wars Capitulation - Not So Great Britain



Is it art? One of the controversial images from the clay sculpted frieze, which will complete St Pancras International Station's Meeting Place statue


Welcome to Britain? The shocking frieze which will greet visitors to London's Eurostar terminal

By BETH HALE
Daily Mail
11th October 2008

From next summer, travellers stepping off the train at St Pancras International will be greeted with an artwork that sums up modern Britain. But it might not be the Britain we'd like them to see.

A copulating couple. A vagabond carrying a bottle. And a hoodie expressing himself with his middle finger.

All these are 'concept' designs for the bronze frieze which is to be installed in the station.

The frieze will sit around the base of the towering Meeting Place statue of an embracing couple, which was unveiled last year.

Designs in clay by the sculptor, Paul Day, were unveiled on Friday at the station.
London and Continental Railways, which commissioned the piece - thought to have cost half a million pounds - admits that the images will be 'bold and edgy'.
However, a spokesman for the company said the image of a man 'giving the finger' was an early concept and would not be in the final work.

The frieze will wrap right around the plinth at the base of the existing statue and will depict different journeys on a railway theme.
The images of contemporary life will be punctuated by historical flashbacks, some that echo the station's past and others that reflect how railways have defined modern society.



Artist Paul Day said the art work was ultimately upbeat and he did not think it would be a negative welcome to those arriving in Britain from abroad.






'It represents the richness and diversity of our lives.'


92 comments:

  1. The entire planet is in a financial melt-down and the stinking rotting corpse of the American Media is trying to divert attention to Alaska's Governor, Sarah Palin, trying to fire one lousy psycho cop.

    ...that's how it goes, everbody knows.

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  2. If I were McCain, I would lead with the Palin story.

    Rome is burning and MSM hides the big story. How many lines did we get about the weapons of mass destruction that were not in Iraq?

    Where are the stories about the financial weapons of mass destruction and their purveyors in the Democratic Party?

    You need more than a chemical suit to protect yourself from the stink and corruption of the American Media.

    How much American wealth has been destroyed by the sub-prime canisters scattered by the diversity and inclusion cock suckers of mass financial destruction?

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  3. Cruel end for an L.A. homeless man

    Capt. Dennis Cremins said police were looking for at least one man who was seen running from the scene. He was described as a Latino in his 20s, with short brown hair and a large black T-shirt. Cremins said police believe the man may have bought gasoline in the neighborhood and used it in the attack. A red plastic gas container was found at the scene.

    One resident, who did not want to be identified out of fear for his safety, said he spoke to someone who reportedly saw the crime. He said he told him several young men got out of a Honda Civic, doused the man with a flammable liquid and set him on fire. Police could not confirm this account.

    He may have lived in the neighborhood for as long as 20 years.
    Some heard rumors that he had once been a successful businessman.
    Kuoch said that two years ago, she saw a group of people stop by to visit the man. She thought it may have been his family.

    "They visited for a while, then just left," she said. "They parked in the shopping center, but they didn't stop at any of the shops. It was like they specifically came to see him."

    His priorities were cigarettes, Dr Pepper, hot Cheetos and, once a week, he would buy C batteries" for his radio, said Asit Bhowmick, the Bangledeshi owner of the Bengal Liquor store.

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  5. Tom Bevan writes
    That leaves eight red states from 2004 for John McCain to defend: Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia. If he wins them all, he's president. If he loses Nevada but wins the rest, we have a 269-269 tie (depending on the outcome in the 2nd Congressional districts in Nebraska and Maine). If he loses anything else, he's the senior Senator from Arizona.

    Right now, McCain trails Obama in the polls in every one of those states except Indiana. So, clearly, he has his work cut out for him over the next three and half weeks.

    But the question, as a Republican strategist emailed me yesterday, is why McCain is spending time in states he MIGHT win, when he should be spending time in states he MUST win.

    Maybe the McCain camp believes it has to stay on offense somewhere. Maybe they're skeptical of some of the polling that shows them down in places like Missouri, Virginia and North Carolina. Or maybe they feel that if they're going to end up losing those states it's a lost cause anyway.

    I don't know, but from the outside it sure is hard to try and decipher what the McCain camp's strategy is at the moment.


    Well, Maverick McCain tells his rally that Obamasan is qualified to be President, while all the while, his Rovian campaign tells US he is not.

    That Mark Davis, wonder who he is representing, now, it sure is not John McCain, or he'd be traveling the course that McCain does.

    The McCain campaign looks a lot like Bush & Bremmer's management of Iraq, circa June 2003.
    Confused and cross purposed.

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  6. Looking at those sculptures it is easy to see how Mr Brown can declare iceland to be a terrorist State.

    The Brits have no sense of what is publicly propitious

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  7. With regards to Troopergate, if Team Maverick could move the discussion from the economy to Sarah Palin's behaviour, that'd be a net gain, for them.

    Unfortunately, for Team Maverick, there is no real story in Troopergate. The Governor abused her power, trying to get Wooten fired. But was within her authority to fire his boss.

    Seems pretty easy to understand. Governors should not get personally involved in low level personnel matters involving family members. It is unseemly, at least, an abuse of power, at most.

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  8. Time is running out for the McCain campaign but it may not matter. At a townhall style rally this week, one speaker said that he was mad about the possiblity of the Pelosi/Reed/Obama socialists taking control of US government. He reminded McCain and Palin that they represented the party and they needed to go on the attack. The crowd loudly voiced their approval and McCain immediately threw cold water on the moment with his, "We need everybody working together...I'll reach across the aisle, blah, blah, blah..."

    John McCain, ever the Statesman, no longer the hothead.

    Going down in flames.
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    The only hope are the 520's; Groups independent of the McCain campaign must carry the water. So far, they're AWOL.

    In addition to the unrelenting repetition of the Obama/Ayres and the Obama/Wright relationship and Obama's prevarications about them.

    Someone's also missing the opportunity to point to the Democratic financial disasters in California, Fannie and Freddie. These are the self proclaimed "fiscal conservatives" who have bankrupted California and set the ground work for a world wide financial meltdown.

    So far, the McCain campaign appears to be as inept as any that I can remember.

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  9. What is the point to being a ruler and master without it. Only Americans use the Orwellian "People's Servant" and expect someone to actually believe it.

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  10. McCain, a community disorganizer.

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  11. According to Jerome Corsi, Obama assigned one of his Senate staffers to assist the campaign of Kenyan Presidential candidate Riley Odinga.

    Is that violation of law, rules of ethics?

    Curious minds want to know.

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  12. Back on topic.

    It's no secret that the secular English have a serious drinking problems so this frieze motif comes as no surprise. It's also been recently revealed that 187 IAG employees in London crafted the derivatives which eventually sank the company. Were they all drunk?

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  13. Anyone who knew the British should have know that keeping the pubs open 24/7 was about as fine an idea as firing the Iraqi army.

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  14. Meanwhile, things are so topsyturvy, I dreamed of sleeping with Rosalyn Carter last night!

    (not really, just joking)

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  15. Whit:
    We had the Country's Savior at the microphone, and Citizen John throws the cold water of bipartisanship and "respect" for his "honorable opponent" on the struggling flames of Freedom.

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  16. But, seriously, I predict the term "community organizer" will go down in our language as a cursed term.

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  17. Inside Obama’s Acorn
    - Stanley Kurtz

    What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. Acorn is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because Acorn works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. Acorn likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama.

    This is a story we’ve largely missed. While Obama’s Acorn connection has not gone entirely unreported, its depth, extent, and significance have been poorly understood. Typically, media background pieces note that, on behalf of Acorn, Obama and a team of Chicago attorneys won a 1995 suit forcing the state of Illinois to implement the federal “motor-voter” bill. In fact, Obama’s Acorn connection is far more extensive. In the few stories where Obama’s role as an Acorn “leadership trainer” is noted, or his seats on the boards of foundations that may have supported Acorn are discussed, there is little follow-up. Even these more extensive reports miss many aspects of Obama’s ties to Acorn.

    An Anti-Capitalism Agenda
    To understand the nature and extent of Acorn’s radicalism, an excellent place to begin is Sol Stern’s 2003 City Journal article, “ACORN’s Nutty Regime for Cities.”

    (For a shorter but helpful piece, try Steven Malanga’s “Acorn Squash.”)

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  18. I keep hoping that McCain has a secret strategy, a real game changer, that he will stand in front of the nation and administer the coup de grâce, the kiss of the Sicilian Stiletto, but so far cold Irish porridge.

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  19. Is it art?

    No.

    About as much so as a glass of urine on a crucifix.

    And we can fight back in the privacy of our own homes by using the computor to look up and read the good things.

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  20. Isn't she lovely?
    Isn't she wonderful?
    Isn't she pretty?
    I can't believe what God has done...

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  21. I have lowered my expectations. I am calm, almost serene, listening to the birds and the sounds of the stream drifting through the soft warm autumnal Pennsylvania air, contemplating the world as we know being defended by the George McClellanesue McCain, waiting to attack. Waiting, waiting...waiting.

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  22. I knew Abe, and John's no Abe.

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  23. Stephen:

    “It is actually possible not so see something that is really there if the signal it emits does not match the human visual spectrum and/or our visual signal processing system eliminates the sight of it as noise. We can’t see patterns that our brains have filtered out.”

    Of course it’s also possible to see something that isn’t really there. I got this from my son’s optometrist the other day and I was amazed at how easy it is to read the following gibberish at teleprompter speed:

    I cdnoult blveiee taht I cluod aulacity uesdnatnrd waht I was radnieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, syas taht it deosn’t mttaer i waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are. The olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig sutff insnt it? Yaeh it cetralnty is, and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt!

    Easy to read, not so easy to transcribe. Our minds are constantly filling in the blanks. It can be helpful to remember that this is taking place.
    ---
    buddy larsen:

    Stephen, note that each of those scrambled words begins and ends with the correct letter, and all the middle letters are correct, just misplaced, and there are no missing nor extra letters in the words. Looks to me like an instance of the 80/20 rule –the words are about 80% correct.

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  24. Bobal: But, seriously, I predict the term "community organizer" will go down in our language as a cursed term.

    Especially when we're talking about ACORN's idea of community organizing. You do realize that's where Obama was a community organizer. ACORN. And here's the shit the Democrats tried to pull with the TARP bill, aka the Paulson bailout. They tried to steer 20% of the profits from the resale of any assets straight to ACORN. Which would have made them about the size of Exxon-Mobil. You can buy a lot of voter registrations with a couple hundred billion dollars.

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  25. It's lost to the sands of time, alas, but I remember when my dad and I went to the U of Idaho game, when we had a great team, vs. the U of Iowa, the game in the semi-finals, at Pullman, Washington, and our guys were half black and half white, and, so were their's, and our big black guys, who were smaller than their big black guys, beat 'em. They beat 'em. Playing perfect inside.
    They beat 'em there, inside, when the game was tough. And we yelled our throats out. And our white guys beat their white guys, back from the basket, back past the foul line.

    It was beautiful.

    It was the best collage basketball game I've seen in my life.

    I will remember that.

    That's art, too.

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  26. What would a voter from the State of Washington Know?

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  27. People get the leader they deserve.

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  28. Only the British can make "sex" look unattractive. Or, Would.

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  29. I think I might "write-in" Bobal from Idaho.

    How about that, Bob? You might get a vote for President of the United States.

    I would vote for Barr; but, he's as big a fruitcake as the rest. And, I just can't see how in the world I can pull the lever for either one of these "Major Party" assholes.

    Bobal for President. What say the Bar?

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  30. I'll be your "chief of staff," Bob. If they want to "declare war," or something they can bring the paperwork out to the Hello Walkway.

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  31. Ah, you just like that gi-tar player I post, I know that much, Ruf.

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  32. No, bobal wants to buy the world a coke...

    He's so nice that even though he knows better when he looks into Putin's (eyes or Ash's) he sees someone he "can work with."

    bobal's too much the poet to be the President.

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  33. People get the leader they deserve.


    I think we "deserve" Albob.

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  34. It looks like we deserve Obama, Reed and Pelosi...

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  35. It'd be the first vote I ever got.

    I'm goin' back ta bed!

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  36. I'd say anyone who lives there might "know what they're doing," Deuce. At least, they probably know what they "Can do."

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  37. Rufus: Bobal for President. What say the Bar?

    A man has a lot of time to reflect when he's dumping potatoes from a hopper into a train car. I think Bobal is tan and rested and ready to get kicked upstairs.

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  38. I guess everyone has seen the Christopher Buckley story, the essence of which is what Buckley refers to as Obama's "first class temperament."

    It seems this came up also in a Webb interview yesterday. Webb twice referred to Obama's "intellect and temperament" as the present and future determinants of his success.

    IOW, against that senile old hothead and badly tutored backwoods Barbie, Obama/Biden is the very projection of calm, thoughtful leadership in turbulent (vomit-slicked) times. I expect considerable repetition of this.

    Will it carry the day among the critical undecided?

    Along with a late movement to Barr among disgusted Republicans - you know who you are - it has impressive odds.

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  39. And now Troopergate.

    Not much to say but that there *was* a vetting failure somewhere on the part of McCain's people.

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  40. Fox news just reported a huge lead for Obama in Pennsylvania...

    He could be winning going way...

    The wife predicts a landslide.

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  41. Troopergate is a "gate" only because the Dems aided by the MSM say it is. Palin will not be the reason McCain loses. John McCain and his fellow Republicans can shoulder that responsibility.

    Traditionally, Republicans were the only thing standing against total fiscal irresponsibility. When the doors of the Treasury were thrown open, though, even the Republicans could not suppress their greed.

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  42. Fox News is featuring McCain at a rally. He's angry and swears to turn D.C. upside down.

    Next paragraph: He's renegotiating mortgages to keep Americans in their homes. He's also protecting investors; wants to suspend rule that requires 70 year olds have to sell off their IRA's.

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  43. The McCain/Palin rally is in Davenport, Iowa.

    Now, he's railing against pork barrel spending. He'll bring tax relief to the middle class. He'll get the rising cost of food and gas under control. Will keep families in their homes, make college more affordable and will impose a Federal spending freeze.

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  44. He'll take a "hatchet and a scalpel" to the Federal budget.

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  45. McCain is, quite simply, Insane. He couldn't carry Iowa if he had Jesus Christ in the No. 2 Spot.

    They should be pulling 3 to 5 a day'ers in the handful of states they "Have" to win. Mo, Oh, Co, NM, Va, Fl.

    This is, absolutely, the stupidest campaign in my lifetime.

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  46. The stupid son of a bitch has somehow got it in his head that "price supports" for farmers lead to higher food prices. And, now, he's trying to tell that to the people in Iowa, Mo, and Mn that know better.

    He is A. Fucking. Fool.

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  47. I'm beginning to think that this is another "Guiliani in Florida."

    A faux campaign.

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  48. I swear to God, this son of a bitch is "Certifiably" Insane.

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  49. The campaign is the classic military maneuver, the feint. McCain is a long term strategic thinker. He wants to rebuild the Republican Party upon the ruins and chaos of four years of total Democratic control and the refurbishment of the Supreme Court.

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  50. Aren't you glad the good old "party of stupid" allows "Crossover Voting" in New Hampshire?

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  51. I quit ascribing motives to politicians right after Fallujah.

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  52. How old is McCain? 72?

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  53. Trish: And now Troopergate. Not much to say but that there *was* a vetting failure somewhere on the part of McCain's people.

    Trooper tasered a kid. If Palin failed to fire his ass that would be the "gate".

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  54. IOW, against that senile old hothead and badly tutored backwoods Barbie, Obama/Biden is the very projection of calm, thoughtful leadership in turbulent (vomit-slicked) times.

    I noticed that developing meme also.

    Obama, cool under fire. Contrasted with the other developing meme. "McCain is erratic."

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  55. "Troopergate is a 'gate' only because the Dems aided by the MSM say it is."

    Palin has just come on the national scene. Since her first appearance, there has naturally been a process of (putting on my best Deborah Kerr) "Getting to know you, getting to know all about you." This "gate" is a part of that process. And having been a close observer of AbuGhraib-gate and Curveball-gate, I know two things: Dismiss at your peril; narrative-capture is key.

    Again, we aren't dealing with those who have already been "sold." We are dealing with those who haven't.

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  56. 2164th: He wants to rebuild the Republican Party upon the ruins and chaos of four years of total Democratic control and the refurbishment of the Supreme Court.

    Stevens and Ginsberg are the oldest ones, and they're lefties. If Obama gets one term, all he can do is keep the court on the same ideological course, unless there's a filibuster-proof majority, in which case Obama could seat William Ayers and Louis Farrakan on the court.

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  57. Give that "Backwoods Barbie" a couple of years in the Senate, and she'll be the most fearsome politician on the National scene.

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  58. Obama, cool under fire. Contrasted with the other developing meme. "McCain is erratic."

    Sat Oct 11, 12:48:00 PM EDT

    It's all rufus's fault.

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  59. And having been a close observer of AbuGhraib-gate and Curveball-gate, I know two things: Dismiss at your peril; narrative-capture is key.

    Will never understand why the Bush WH was so inept or simply refused to push back against the propaganda.

    Again, we aren't dealing with those who have already been "sold." We are dealing with those who haven't.

    Roger that.

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  60. Hey, the Dow is steady today. No losses, no gains. : )

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  61. Gag reflex, is a light "off" when there's not even any power? It's a Zen type question.

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  62. I guess so. My constant criticism has, evidently, driven him right over the edge.

    Be that, as it may, I'm "writing in," Bobal from Ideeho.

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  63. "Will never understand why the Bush WH was so inept or simply refused to push back against the propaganda."

    By that time, chaos. Dissolution. Defection. WRT Abu Ghraib specifically: They were burning time simply trying to get a handle on the size of the thing in the field - before the press ever got wind of AbuGhraib - and reading the riot act everywhere to prevent other nasty surprises. They were in a bad, bad position. And it cost a lot among contemporary and would-be supporters where it counted. There wasn't a lot of room to maneuver.

    Most of what ended up in the media, long afterward, was dreck.

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  64. Hollis French
    Stephen E. Branchflower

    Hopefully by now all of you have read these name. But having just returned to the computer from a morning workout I haven't taken the time to read todays papers or all of this blog. But I did last evening.

    It would appear that the entire, the entire, investigation into Sarah palins firing's and prior attempted firing if a psycho cop was an engineered gig with the two names at the begining of this blog as the main players..BOTH ARE DEMOCRATS. The are buddies and they use to work to gether in Alaska. The "investigation" or rather inquisition, had to import Branchflower from his now South Carolina home all the way back to Alaska to get the feeble and totally political outcome they wanted. It was already noted before we turned in for the night, by Bro D-Day that the report, in what I am sure was at least five point type that she had broken no laws and was well within her constitutional rights to fire the son of a bitch, who was undermining her authority and refusing a direct and lawful order. In the service you at minimum do hard time for that. In war you get accidently shot.

    Obama reportedly has several hundred lawyers in Alaska going through Palins garbage to find whatever they could. They found nothing. A person attempting to hang their hat on this report as "proof" that Sarah Palin is a corrupt official hangs that hat on a nail pounded into bull shit.

    Hollis French, the name just begs the man to have his face smashed in, and as Negro as South Carolina is there are still others who will even the score on Mr. Branchflower. I lived in South Carolina. I know at least a thousand people who could show up unannounced for tea and cookies and fire up the pit. Were I Mr Branchflower I would move to Chicago.

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  65. Ms T

    A light can be neither in a Zen sense.
    Those who say they know Zen do not. Those that study Zen and say they will know it will never know it. It can not be attained by argument, discussion , or debate.

    But to your question I would say that all things are seen by the light of the mind.

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  66. Most of what ended up in the media, long afterward, was dreck.


    The realization of which came pitifully late to too many.

    One thing easily observed on the internet is that most people form opinions based on no knowledge, but rather the current that flows in the stream at the time. And since so few have a background in what they say it is a futility to fight the current of liberal ink that flows.

    Now, after the great market collaspe and the coming years of deprivation we will truly have a chance to see the value of many in our society, which will prove not even a wash but a negative. But they will remain, supported at the cost of your productivity for the redistribution of wealth is now full embraced by the two major parites.

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  67. GODDAMMIT HABU, we all Love you; But keep Race out of it.

    There's plenty to hate the marxist sonofabitches for, without making us all sound like a bunch of racist crackers. Quit It!

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  68. Obama enjoyed saying McCain could not run a computer.

    Can Obmama land an A-4 Skyhawk on the pitching deck of an aircraft carrier at night?




    We don't know because we know less about Obama than any other aspirant for the Presidency in our entire history.

    Luck for us the world is currently calm and without any immediate crisis to deal with.

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  69. RUFUS....GO F U C K YOURSELF

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  70. Fuck You, Habu.

    Note to Deuce: Either ditch this racist son of a bitch, or I'm outta here.

    I mean it. Either take his racist comments down, or take me off the board. I won't be associated with this hateful shit.

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  71. Read it slowly Rufus,let it sink in ...GO FUCK YOURSELF

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  72. READ THIS SLOWLY.

    YOU STAY. I GO.

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  73. 2164,

    I wouldn't bend to his dictates. Call him on it.

    Any man who begins his comment taking the Lord's name in vain is suspect as a valued member. Of all the peofanities he could have chosen from profaining the Lord, Our God, is not the one to use ever.

    I believe it is even one of the Ten Commandments

    Rufus apparently believes he's above that and that they are perhaps the Ten Suggestions.

    But do what you must. Lose Rufus and his ethanol mind, or lose a contributor who rarely contributes.

    But remember, "Rufus means it" But I would say in you review, other than pointing out what is pointed out daily in the NYT, on all Networks etc, what I said, Tha South Carolina is primarily Negro...when did that become a racist thing .... OK I'll be PC and say that South Carolina is a majority African America...does that satisfy Rufus?

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  74. Rufus, don't go..I amended it to African America, which I believe is PC totally. Negro is still not a prejoritive for I hear it used by mostly the AA elders.

    But stay Rufus, stay. I'll go, I done post here that often anyway. This is your territory, you have the fasces.

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  75. Commandment Number II

    "You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not acquit anyone who misuses his name."


    This commandment prohibits not just swearing but also the misappropriation of religious language in order to commit a crime, participating in occult practices, and blaspheming against places or people that are holy to God.

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  76. Gotta laugh at this conversation.
    What's most funny about it is that it really sounds quite familiar - because it sounds like a typical, ordinary American family. Dysfunctional, of course (when you see a family that appears to be actually functional, watch out!). Entertaining, definitely as long as you don't take it, or oneself, too seriously. The EB - just your typical American family.

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  77. I missed a dust-up did I? It does remind me of a family volley ball game.

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  78. "Cover the little ones' ears, Maudie!"

    They're puttin' up the volley ball net!

    ...and you know what that means."

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  79. Will it carry the day among the critical undecided?


    Again, we aren't dealing with those who have already been "sold." We are dealing with those who haven't.



    Not expecting agreement on this, but fwiw, I'd place the number of the constantly hyped "critical undecideds" at a vanishingly small percent of those who'll actually vote in November.

    I'd say it comes down to the hard R's, the hard D's, and those who're never polled, who have silently decided long ago that no community organizer from Chicago with all the other baggage he brings with him is fit to serve. The polls exist to feed the media frenzy and to support the pollsters. I refuse to believe the voters of America are so stupid they'd elect Obama no matter what they try and sell me.

    'Course, I live in silence with my dog...no tv and little radio to distract my contemplation of Bob's enlightening messages.

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  80. "I refuse to believe the voters of America are so stupid they'd elect Obama no matter what they try and sell me."

    Yeah, I used to hear a lot of that, oh, six months ago. In some of the most surprising places.



    they're puttin' up the volley ball net!

    ...and you know what that means."

    Sat Oct 11, 05:11:00 PM EDT

    LOL

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  81. I sure thought that about a year, 18 months ago, lineman.
    Sure did, thought Obama was going to be a disaster for them Democrats.

    It still may,
    but I doubt it more and more.

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  82. I used to hear a lot of that, oh, six months ago.

    I'm gainin' ground here. At this rate I may even make it to my own funeral on time.

    :-)

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