“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Tuesday, July 15, 2008

"Senator Obama seems to think losing a war will help him win an election." - Camp McCain

A subtle affirmation of faith.  Cameras unnoticed.

This is what we want. Get out there and rumble. McCain has been continuously taunted by the usual Democratic suspects in unvarnished old style politics. No change there. 

For instance, there is nothing nuanced in these three comments:
  • "John McCain has no notion of what's going on ... he doesn't get the fact that in fact there is no reasonable prospect of there being a strong central government located in Baghdad," said Democratic Senator Joseph Biden.
  •  Obama foreign policy aide Susan Rice said the vehemence of the McCain camp's attacks was designed to obscure "the fact that John McCain has been wrong on Iraq from the very beginning."
  • "That kind of old-school fear mongering is exactly what the American people are tired of and they won't be fooled by," she said, accusing the McCain camp of impugning Obama's character.
Now McCain has decided to go on the attack. Hopefully he stays that way. Obama has not been bloodied in this phony pantomime and image creation disguised as an election. Hillary proved Obama can be cracked but she got gun shy because of the black vote. McCain should need not feel any restraint in going after Obama. We have yet to see His Radiance under pressure. It should be fun.

Obama would swap Iraq war loss for election win: McCain camp

Republican John McCain's camp has charged that his Democratic foe Barack Obama would trade defeat in Iraq for an election win, as a fierce new row over the war rocked the White House race.

As tensions mounted ahead of Obama's expected to visit to the war zone, his campaign hit back that McCain was oblivious to the real situation in Iraq and warned voters would not be hoodwinked by "fear-mongering."

Obama stoked the latest row with an opinion piece in the New York Times, in which he pledged to redeploy two combat brigades, or up to 10,000 troops to Afghanistan, and reaffirmed a 16-month troop withdrawal deadline in Iraq.

In response, McCain's foreign policy aide Randy Scheunemann contrasted what he billed as the Arizona senator's principled support for last year's US troop surge with Obama's opposition to the plan and vow to bring troops home.

"Senator Obama continues his search for a political position to protect his flank in an election," Scheunemann told reporters on a conference call.

"Senator McCain said he would rather lose an election than lose a war and see the nation lose a war.
"Senator Obama seems to think losing a war will help him win an election."

A day before Obama is due to make a major address on Iraq, in Washington, his aides questioned McCain's basic understanding of the war, saying he would prolong what they see as President George W. Bush's failed policies.

"John McCain has no notion of what's going on ... he doesn't get the fact that in fact there is no reasonable prospect of there being a strong central government located in Baghdad," said Democratic Senator Joseph Biden.

And Obama foreign policy aide Susan Rice said the vehemence of the McCain camp's attacks was designed to obscure "the fact that John McCain has been wrong on Iraq from the very beginning."

"That kind of old-school fear mongering is exactly what the American people are tired of and they won't be fooled by," she said, accusing the McCain camp of impugning Obama's character.

In the Times article, Obama pledged to send up to two more combat brigades to the Afghan war, following an upsurge in suicide attacks and insurgent activity, and stood by a mid-2010 deadline to get most soldiers out of Iraq.

"We must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in," said Obama, who is expected go to Iraq and Afghanistan soon, though details of his trip have been withheld for security reasons.

"We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 -- two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began."

"I believed it was a grave mistake to allow ourselves to be distracted from the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban by invading a country that posed no imminent threat and had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks," Obama wrote.

McCain backer and Republican senator Lindsey Graham branded Obama's article an "unbelievable, brazen effort by a politician to rewrite history."

"It is clear to any objective observer that what happened in Iraq after the fall of Baghdad became a central struggle in the war on terror," Graham said on a conference call.

Graham also suggested that Obama's war policy dishonored the sacrifices of those killed in the surge effort, which US generals credit with quelling sectarian violence and stabilizing Iraq.

"For us to deny history does a great disservice to those who made history," he said.
"The history that is being made in Iraq now from the surge came at a heavy price and a lot of sacrifice."

Republicans accused Obama of engaging in 'flip-flops' for political gain after he said this month he may "refine" his policies after meeting US commanders in Iraq.

In the New York Times article, Obama again said he was open to making "tactical adjustments," leaving himself some room for maneuver should he be inaugurated president next January.

The McCain campaign also said on Monday that the Arizona senator would make a speech on Afghan war policy later this week.


  1. Sam said it months ago, he said,(I remember this distinctly) the war's over isn't it? Fact is the war is pretty much over, and George won, except for the mop up.

    Deal with it, Obama.

    It pisses me off that the vast majrity of Americans who don't have a son or daughter in the service, won't be out there waving the flag. My wife put it up out there on the Fourth, and I'm afraid to take it down.

    God Bless our folk in uniform.


    All we got to do now is continue with the mop up, and not let up. A tragedy if we don't don't for the next few years.

    Then it would be sacrifice in vain.

  2. By the way, in a Newsweek article, I think it was, talking about Obama's mother and growing up, it mentioned how she had read some J. Campbell. This picked my ears up. But then it went on about how she was a kind of multi-culturist. Which is exactly the wrong reading of Campbell, a Western individualist to the core, not a multi-culturalist, not wanting to sacrifice himself or his dancing wife to some orietal or levantine god, but wanting to live his own life to the end, in his own best well read and informed judgement.

  3. I recommend that every one read J. Campbell all the way through, not once, but thrice, every book,and then make up your own individual mind. After having done so, you will have a mind to make up. Even if you don't agree with Joe. He is our best.

  4. Habu, are you listening to 'ol bob by the fireside tonight? You moronic thoughtless believer in the thoughtless Herbert Spencer?

  5. According to Campbell, from some 30 years ago, the reason the liberal churches are hemorraging 'believers' is because they have given up the rites, which mean something, and gone into politics, which don't.

  6. Obama is a product of the left-wing mentality in every aspect. He has led his life from the left, thinks left and like all lefties believes to the core that the ends justifies the means.

    It sickens me that there is such a huge pool of Americans that is so open to his ideology. That is not to say that the craven policies of the Republicans do not share some responsibility for the cynical environment that has helped incubate the spawn of lemmings eager to follow Obama over another cliff. Almost all are a product and result of the left's dominance of the American education system.

  7. A street fighter like Giuliani have already grabbed Obama by the nuts, before Jesse gelded him of course, and taken him down by one os his ear handles.

  8. If I was a black guy, I wouldn't want, I hope, to live my life thinking I was a 'black guy'. I hope I would be open to all the mystery and openess of the universe. And have compassion on my 'white' friends.

    We are all in the same mysterious boat.

    Racism is crap. We all face it together.

  9. We have transcended racism and live in a new world of racialism.

  10. We have transcended religion and live in a new world of religiousity.

  11. Maybe so, but, death is still death. And the old rules still rule.

    And, hope is still hope, and love is still love.

    Nite deuce.
    And Whit.

  12. Jesse po, Barack Obama becomes Commander-in-Chief (he is rather Kennedyesqe, isn't he?) As such, he fulfills his campaign promise to withdraw troops from Iraq while at the same time reinforcing troops in Afghanistan beginning with two heavy brigades (abt 7,000 men). Islam responds with money and men for jihad. Suicide bombings and ambush attacks increase dramatically as Pakistan succumbs to Islamic politics and once again becomes the Islamic staging area. As the US is accused of war crimes and in the face of mounting losses, one NATO ally after another leaves. Finally, only the US and Afghanis remain to fight the reinvigorated Taliban which by now are being supplied with plenty of fresh manpower and Russian weapons. American aircraft are being shot down in increasing numbers. The Sauds who were pressuring us to leave South Asia altogether, now, fearing revolution, want US troops back in the Kingdom. All our allies have turned on us, the UN is threatening us, and the Democratic party is calling for an "over the horizon redeployment.

    Jesse po that is the situation, President Obama. Wha chu gonna did now?

  13. Forgot to mention.

    Madeline Albright's Afghanistan Study Group is about to release their report. Also, Jimmy Carter has converted to Islam and the now renamed Carter Center for Islamic Studies has announced that Jimmy and Yusuf Islam are planning their first North American Million Muslim March. The 3M's have been wildy successful in Europe and it is their hope that the Americans can be brought to Mohammed.

  14. Obama:
    I remember my days as a civil rights lawyer, when I worked with my Hispanic brothers and sisters to protect our voting rights. And I remember May Day 2006, when I marched shoulder-to-shoulder with the Hispanic community to stand up for comprehensive immigration reform.”
    Will Obama March Angry Vagina to Angry Vagina with Immigrants?

  15. That is the truth of it, doug.

    Ask, George W or Maverick, they both agree.
    Words have meaning and the spin-miesters managed to mangle the meaning of America to fit the needs of the US, circa 1870.

    Were the consequences REALLY unitended?

  16. Well, it is encouraging to see folks here realizing that Obama seems to be marching down the same path in Afghanistan that led to the idiocy we have and are facing in Iraq. We just need a canddate willing to get US out of both of those finger traps. Right now we are faced with the lessor of two evils. McCain wants to double down in both places whilst Obama seems to want to double down in only one. Progress I guess...

  17. The other funny, spinning a Democratic ordered withdrawal from Iraq as a defeat, when the war has been won.

    The deployment of those US troops a GOP pawn in the domestic political games.

    They should be ashamed of themselves.

    Exemplified by Mr Maliki's assertion that the US needs to agree on a timeline for withdrawal.

    He and his are ready to stand up, they have already stood up, in Mosul, Basra, Baghdad and Kurdistan.

    That it is a reality that does not fit the Republicans Rovian playbook, just doesn't matter.

  18. The problem of spinning the withdrawal from Iraq as a product of victory is that if (when) things deteriorate then one is pushed to put 'em back to reattain "victory". Politically, from the Dem side, there is no real upside to spinning a victory when the defeat hangs the Iraq necklace so firmly about McCain's neck.

  19. Exactly right, ash.
    Each political Party doing what is best for its candidates and their own power, not what is in the best interests of and for the United States.

    A pox on both their houses.

  20. The idea that we'd have to "go back in" is farcical. Unless we have failed totally in the cultural modification of Iraq.

    If we have failed, so totally, after five years of occupation, another four or five years won't make any difference.

    Belittling the Iraqi government, as Team43 did extensively, also for domestic poitical gain, no way to achieve victory.

    Where is the SOFA?

  21. All a co-inkydink, 'Rat.
    (No) Truth and Consequence.
    The story that most of the media buried:

    Prior to Chuckie Schumer's (latest) performance, deposits exceeded withdrawals at Indymac.

    Feds cite Schumer in collapse of IndyMac

    Here's from the press release issued by IndyMac's regulator, the Office of Thrift Supervision:
    "The OTS has determined that the current institution, IndyMac Bank, is unlikely to be able to meet continued depositors’ demands in the normal course of business and is therefore in an unsafe and unsound condition.

    The immediate cause of the closing was a deposit run that began and continued after the public release of a June 26 letter to the OTS and the FDIC from Senator Charles Schumer of New York.

    The letter expressed concerns about IndyMac’s viability.
    In the following 11 business days, depositors withdrew more than $1.3 billion from their accounts.

    "This institution failed today due to a liquidity crisis," OTS Director John Reich said. "Although this institution was already in distress, I am troubled by any interference in the regulatory process."

    ie, Schumer screwed the Pooch.

  22. ...followed by the NY Times predicting 150 banks may fail.

    Trumpeted loudly by MSM Mouthpiece Drudge.

  23. The Sky May Fall.
    The Ice WILL Melt.
    We're Screwed.

  24. Justice Delayed

    Investigators say Newsom was shot and his body burned. Christian’s abuse lasted hours longer and she eventually was hog-tied and stuffed into a trash can where she suffocated.

    Others charged with the brutal slayings are Letalvis Cobbins, Lemaricus Davidson and Cobbins’ girlfriend, Vanessa Coleman. It must be maddening for the families of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.

    I know you haven’t forgotten the young couple brutally murdered in a racially-charged case in Knoxville, TN.
    Will the Half-White Messiah comment on this "racially-charged" case?

    His half-white ass was thrown under the bus long ago.

  25. "It's my top priority today and it will be my top priority tomorrow," McCain told an audience member yesterday. Iraq? No, he was talking about immigration reform during a question and answer period at the National Council of La Raza, the Washington Post's Juliet Eliperin writes. Taking a renewed public stand on immigration reform offers McCain benefits and drawbacks. Benefit: Attract some Latino voters who might otherwise back Obama. Drawback: Offend the conservative base with whom he is barely on speaking terms already, who might otherwise sit on their hands.

  26. DR wrote:

    "Each political Party doing what is best for its candidates and their own power,"

    Isn't that supoosed to be the nature of the democratic politics? The winner, by definition, then represents "the best interests of and for the United States."? Or is the US political system corrupt in some way?

  27. The New Republic, dismisses the Carter comparison, claiming that Obama mirrors Reagan, instead.

    Contra Expectations
    by Eli Lake
    Obama isn't Jimmy Carter-
    -he's Ronald Reagan.

    There are arguably many moral and strategic reasons for this agenda. But the insights gleaned from the counterinsurgency in Iraq and seven years of fighting Al Qaeda across the world also yield harsher lessons. American national interests often demand collaboration with security forces, militias, and tribal leaders who don't conform to our highest ideals. What's more, a key plank of the Petraeus strategy in Iraq is to isolate and shrink the pool of irreconcilable insurgents. That means in practice paying off former bomb-makers, torturers, and terrorists to entice them to join the fight against Al Qaeda--and these are, needless to say, not the types to fret over the nuances of the Geneva Conventions. Or, as one former Sunni insurgent turned ally in Fallujah told The Washington Post, "We never tortured anybody. Sometimes we beat them during the first hours of capture."

    If you read the fine print of Obama's policy papers and talk with his advisers and examine their careers, you'll find something surprising about how an Obama administration would view this dark side of the war on terrorism. Far from eschewing alliances with unsavory proxies, these ties are essential to Obama's plans for destroying Al Qaeda. As he has put it, the United States must develop the "partnerships we need to take out the terrorists." Obama hasn't fully fleshed out what he means, but his advisers have some ideas. They told me that he would deepen cooperation with Pakistan's government and military and Somalia's transitional federal government in their battles with Al Qaeda--and that, while opposed to the troop surge, he applauds the partnership between the U.S. military and Iraqi tribal leaders that helped turn the tide in the fight against Al Qaeda there.

    So, even though Obama and Petraeus have rhetorically gone in diametrical directions in the last year, they have actually converged on substance. In important ways, an Obama approach to the global insurgency of Al Qaeda mirrors Petraeus's counterinsurgency in Iraq.

  28. - 'Heroic' fighting repels Afghan militants -

    The official said militants didn't get into the outpost but they did overrun a small U.S.-led observation point outside the base, where it is believed most of the American and Afghan fatalities and injuries occurred.

    Laity described the insurgent strike as a "major attack" by a "large group of insurgents."

    "What there was was a combat outpost had a major attack on it by a large group of insurgents. They had infiltrated a neighboring village and they fired on the base from that village and then they attacked the base itself."

    He said severe fighting followed, resulting in the American casualties and the wounding of four Afghan service members.

    "They attempted to break into that base. They did make some penetration.
    But overall they were repelled and they took very heavy casualties themselves," Laity said.

    He indicated that the penetration or breach that media reports about the strike referred to was the attack on the observation post.

    "We brought in air power to stabilize the situation in a fight that then lasted for several hours," he said.

    Watch more about the attack on the coalition base »

  29. Well, sure, ash.
    The Parties corrupt US politics, as Mr Madison feared they would. In his opinion organized factions would prove detremental to the Republic.

    He may have been right, but the Parties organized quite quickly, regardless.

    It is the ever expanding size and power of the Federal government that is the greatest corrupting force. The influence is so tremendous, that a letter from a Senator can cause a run on a bank, to the tune of $1.4 billion USD.

    So, for the players, all that matters is gaining the levers to that power.

    In neither Paries case do the politicos limit their view of power to just the US and its' residents. Mr Bush and Maverick, Obama too, all extolling the expansion of how America is now defined, in the mind of US.

    That America is a continent, is undeniable. In fact, America is a global hemisphere.
    Both north and south America.

    It was claimed as ours to protect
    and defend on December 2, 1823.

  30. ...but the empire is crumbling...

    The US simply can't afford it anymore, like the British empire enriched individuals but not Britain, at the end, so too has the US empire been exploited - privatize the profits, socialize the costs.

  31. Jay's family from Hell:


    Those of us oldies that have defined contribution pensions are getting scared of the economy. My CREF account (a well run conservative stock fund) was down 11%. I am not retired as yet.

    My wife has never had a job since we married 42 years ago and watches the propaganda on the nation news and is not worried.

    But she thinks that her “frugality” is all that we need to manage are old life while my daughter’s husband thirsts for the inheritance.

    Well we have to pay of gas, water, electricity, food an medicine etc.

    A leftists government elected by the very rich, the blacks and kids will destroy our lives.

    The children of old parents who love and respect their parents will not be happy about their parents becoming poor. Few will be getting fat from the government but some will and will help their parents. But many people will be in the situation that the Germans were in after WW1. But Americans do not have a culture of war for power and profit that the German middle and upper classes had before WW1.
    So I ask the bloggers here: who will conquer the US?

    Jay said...

    It is hard for Americans to conceive of the chaos that will result when the credit bubbles burst and our savings are destroyed. We are not the docile nation of Japan.

  32. Creating political military economic dependencies on Jihadi regimes is exactly opposite of what should be done. This is what got the US in trouble with its idiotic oil energy policy, the $700 billion US dollars a year give away to the Jihadis. This is what got the US in trouble with the military campaign in Iraq and Afghanistan, the $700 billion dollars non war. And this is what allowed Pakistan its atomic bombs, and now the proliferation of this technology throughout the Jihadi world.

    Only total morons would think this is a good strategy to follow.

  33. The Empire could definately afford it, ash.
    Just have to be managed a tad differently.

    It must be remembered, ash, the government of the United States has been under the influence of a Russell Company mindset, since Teddy was President, if not before.

    Such as he and FDR were cousins of a sort and FDRs grandfather was the president of Russell Company.
    Largest Chinese trader of the day, dealing in opium, coolies and tea.

    Russell Company Trust, funds the Skull & Bones fraternity at Yale. Alma mater to frat rats Bush Sr & Jr and JFKerry, as well. Public members that make up just the tip of the influence in the Federal iceberg.

    Exploitation of foreign assets is their specialty.
    If one believes this:
    Cultural Devolution
    by Bradford Plumer
    Solving China's environmental catastrophe.

    the economic exploitation of China continues.

    Just a matter of perspective, ash.

  34. Yes, the 'exploitation' continues (not necessarily a bad thing either) but it is only a few, in general, who benefit, while the costs are spread all over the taxpayer - assuming the taxpayer will actually fund the debt owed. Privatize the profits - socialize the costs.

  35. Privatize the profits - socialize the costs.

    Skull & Bones forever!

  36. The costs of the Freddie and Fannie fiascos are marginal, at best.

    It is only about $25Bn USD that is at risk. Just another move to garner further control the US capital markets by the large banks.

    That CA bank that was siezed by the regulators, it was a Countrywide spin-off.

    Perhaps Mr Schumer was just sending a message, standing in proxy for Senator Dodd.

  37. In matters of War & Peace there are always differing strategies.
    In the New Republic article linked above tells US that Rand Beers is one of Obama's premier advisors.

    It says this about Mr Beers:
    During the Clinton administration, Beers served as the assistant secretary of state for international narcotics and law enforcement affairs, a bureau known as "drugs and thugs." In that post, he helped conceive Plan Colombia, which has, over the last eight years, funneled about $5.5 billion to the country's military. Much of that has been spent combating the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), which has funded its Marxist- Leninist rebellion by presiding over a vast drug empire.

    In many ways, the program was a great success. Today, the FARC is nearly defeated, and the civil war in that country is over. But Plan Colombia worked in part because Beers was prepared to assist a national army that worked closely with pro-government death squads--and, for that reason, Plan Colombia provoked the ire of Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy and the left wing of the Democratic Party. Beers takes criticism of this brand of alliance seriously but considers it surmountable. He told me that such alliances require that the United States conditions its assistance: "We are prepared to work with you, but you are going to have to change your stripes. You are going to have to operate in a fashion where that kind of behavior stops." Indeed, in the Colombian instance, there's strong evidence that Beers's plan also helped curb the worst excesses of America's military partners.

    The success of which trish has given evidence to.
    Further an Obama policy is described by Obama, himself:

    Last November at a foreign policy forum in Portsmouth, New Hampshire,
    Obama said there may be "40,000 hard-core jihadists with whom we can't negotiate." He went on. "Our job is to incapacitate them, to kill them."
    In that spirit, he famously announced that he would strike terrorist bases in Pakistan if President Pervez Musharraf ever refuses to move on actionable intelligence against Al Qaeda--a threat that earned him the chastisement of John McCain, among others.

    Of course, the opportunities for that kind of strike are rare and the diplomatic costs can be high. That's where we begin to see the interesting confluence that will likely emerge as the Obama Doctrine. His counterterrorism policy will bear the imprint of the Beers-Clarke experience in the national security apparatus. And that pedigree will be coupled with the lessons that David Petraeus has gleaned from Iraq. The result will likely be a combination of force and kindness. In the search for allies against Al Qaeda, the U.S. military will aggressively seek out allies among the tribes that co-mingle with the terrorists, as well as the police and intelligence agencies in those countries. Our military would try to pry them away from Al Qaeda by offering them money and basic infrastructure--and then send them into battle against the terrorists. But, at the same time, through that engagement, it would also attempt to instill practices that minimize the brutality and corruption of local police.

    Mimic the successes of US policies in Colombia

  38. The exploitation of China has benefitted the US consumer. Prices on manufactured items have fallen like a rock.

    Stop by your local Wal-Mart for verification. Clothing, household goods and food, availble from around the world, fresh, regardless of the season.

    Flowers from Zimbabwae, Colombia and Mexico.

  39. Yes, the benefits of free trade are wide and varied. The US government (funded by the US taxpayer of course) subsidizing the profits of a few robber barons, not soo good.

  40. The US still leads the world in most categories of International responsibility and willingness to provide aid and comfort to those in need.

    The people of America do enjoy the highest standard of living, when comparable population sizes are factored in. No 500 million folks have it better, than those living in north America.

    While the elites are poisoning China, again.

  41. The Chinese elites learning from their experience with Russell Company and their ilk ...

    Privatize the profits -
    socialize the costs

  42. Yes, the history of the US has been good. How are the prospects for the future? What globally dominant industries will propel US forward maintaining our luxurious lifestyle? Manufacturing? Finance? The indebted consumer (who provided 70% or so in recent years) or will it be the super rich who keep all of US in clover?

  43. The Chinese are certainly and interesting group to follow. Government owned industry, corruption for sure, huge numbers of people lusting for 'the American dream' and a propensity to sacrifice the environment for economic growth...geee where have we heard that before?

  44. Prospects for the future?

    Mcdonalds at the local Tent City USA.

  45. With cats meat burgers imported from China.

  46. all ordered through google powered intertubes...

  47. Future so bright,
    we gotta wear shades.

    Within our internal market American of 500 million consumers, the opprotunities for growth abound.

    With the dollar being devalued, and vast stores of it held globally, what other shocks can be anticpated to create the conditions where it can be replaced.

    What happens when it is announced that the dollar is no longer good for all debts public or private

    That it will be replaced by the Amero.

    Just as "Greenback" was replaced by Federal Reserve notes

    United States Note,
    among the first national United States currency, authorized by the Legal Tender Act of 1862.
    This was government-issued currency, different from the central-bank currency that the United States uses today.

    The Federal Reserve notes ...
    worth the paper they're printed upon, after a restructuring.

  48. Why tents. mat.

    There is an over abundence of housing inventory, at the moment.

    Before tent cities open, those houses wil be occuppied before the homeless live in tents.
    No Hoovervilles this go-round

    It'll all be part of the bailout. saw it with the S&Ls. The market finds a bottom, the units are sold, then occuppied.

    And off to the races, again.

  49. There will be a lot of 'pump priming' 'kick starting' 'new-new deal' stimulus infrastructure spending and government 'guaranteeing'/'backstopping' before the fed's abandon the current currency.

  50. rat, the problem with much of the current housing stock is that it is in butt fck nowhere requiring black gold to propel oneself from here to there. Tents all in walking distance of the well are much more practical.

  51. dRat,

    Because that's what working at Mcdonalds will buy you. Housing costs are not coming down. On the contrary, these costs will only be going up.

  52. long as the latrine doesn't empty into it


  53. Could be out past the Peak of Peak Oil, the financial restructuring.

    But the Federal Reserve and its' Notes, they're secured by what?

    But the full faith and confidence of the markets in the Government and the currency.
    Nationalization of assets can be a two way street, when all that guarentees the value of your wealth is my willingness to allow it.

    On both a physical and financial level. The US not yet willing to play the role of Emperor, but trying, ideologically, to be first amongst equals.

  54. Or is the Federal Reserve now eternal?

  55. But the Federal Reserve and its' Notes, they're secured by what?

    Money flow I would guess. Negative money flow depreciates the currency. Negative money flow is a symptom of a negative trade imbalance. You need to be producing something that someone wants to buy.

  56. Those now hording dollars have to be convinced to buy properties in the US, or to buy products exported by the US.

    Or the value of those dollars can be voided. While the internal American market of 500 million consumers and their allies around the world continue onward with the new Amero Note, instead of dollars & pesos.

  57. They aint hording them dollars to buy the Chevy Malibu, I can tell you that.

  58. You guys are totally ignoring American "Can-do".

    Nothing is static, nothing linear. As long as good 'ol capitalism remains somewhat unfettered, some guy is going to see a need and find a way to fill it.

  59. As for properties in the US, with the Mexicans moving in the rest will be moving out.

  60. Whit,

    Not with the corrupt big government in the pocket of the big corporate mafia.

  61. Just using existing technology with conventional solar collecters that A/C project could be adapted, mat

    In the 1980s, inventor Jack Evans discovered the advantages of using a waterless coolant. His final formulation is a mixture propylene glycol. This coolant has a high boiling point of 188 °C (370 °F) and is not corrosive

    which should be hot enough to produce a heat transfer for cooling.

  62. dRat,

    I'm all for it. We need to open the market for alternative A/C designs. When people know there's a market to sell to, it will only encourage new and better things to come.

  63. The market is wide open out there Mats. Adopt the 'can do' spirit and the worlds yer oyster...really!

  64. These folk are ready to fill your tent city order, mat.

    With the Fourteen footer and the the eighteen footer capable of combining into nice little housing units.
    In suitable climes.

    I could envision entire new beach communities sprouting up outside Mexican resort cities.

  65. Like their cousins, the gasoline powered vehicles, make conventional A/C units illegal for all practical purposes. How's that for a can-do attitude.

  66. dRat,

    You should have the people in Ontario, Ca., get in touch with the supplier(s).

  67. Spray the tents with a ferro-cement mixture, or some other suitable product to harden on the framework, creating a permanent structure.

    This fellow uses lightwieght concrete over metal forms.

    But this guy... he shows us how to convert those tents, or something similar into real housing units.

    Back then, as a young architect musing over this problem of curved formwork, I came up with an idea. By spraying a few inches of urethane foam to the inside surface of a large inflated shape made of fabric, letting the foam become rigid, then shooting gunite (air emplaced concrete) against this, again from the inside, one could end up with a multi-curved concrete structure, already insulated, with NO form costs.

    It worked. Licensees of my original patents and others with improvements have since built hundreds of such structures all over the world.

  68. In my case, the A/C unit, installed was around $5,000, with the electric running about $250 per month to run it. Six months of the year.

    So that's the economic competition, $5,000 upfront and $1,500 per year, not much maintence required.
    An annual check up.

    Piggybacked onto a gas furnace.

  69. Mats ole boy you are really a command government structure kinda guy. The fate of the Soviet Union doesn't give you pause?

  70. As always, Ashley, you're mistaking one type of aggressiveness to be the same as the other. And you do this so often that one wonders if it's not a mental defect.

    So, no. Wanting to eliminate Jihadis, does not make me a Jihadi of sorts. The same for me wanting to eliminate the imperial oligarch system and their slave society.

  71. A must watch!!

  72. Hi Ash, glad to see you back, slim, trim, tanned. Hope you had a good time.

  73. All this talk of empire is bosh. We're just a big country that trades with a lot of the world. And got attacked and is fighting back.


    O, that's right, they already can do what they want.

  74. Bob,

    That video I posted is a just little piece of history. A history that is repeating in front of your eyes.

  75. Try as I might, Mat, I can't get that video to display on my 'puter.

  76. Bob, use VLC.
    It can play anything and everything.

  77. Christopher Hitchens knows a lot less than he lets on.

  78. Bob,

    Looks like it uses a QuickTime plugin. You can download Apple's Safari web browser. It should have the plugin included.

  79. Ah, hell, Mat, I'm an old fart. I don't know how to do that. And my daughter is not here. When the lightning took everything down, it wiped all my files away. I'm still trying to reconstitute my e-mail addresses. All my photos, gone. All my records, gone. All my saved letters, gone. Everything gone.


  80. I can't even get my printer going. So, I type my letters up, e-mail my letters to my daughter, she prints them up, and sends them to me. Works, but a little slower.

  81. That's not good. Did you do anything to upset Zeus?

  82. Safari download:

  83. That's not good. Did you do anything to upset Zeus?

    Fucked his daughter, and, he found out.

  84. "That is a graver matter, and there, my friend, the modern interpreters of Homer may, I think, assist in explaining the view of the ancients. For most of these in their explanations of the poet, assert that he meant by Athena "mind" [nous] and "intelligence" [dianoia], and the maker of names appears to have had a singular notion about her; and indeed calls her by a still higher title, "divine intelligence" [Thou noesis], as though he would say: This is she who has the mind better than others. Nor shall we be far wrong in supposing that the author of it wished to identify this Goddess with moral intelligence [en ethei noesin], and therefore gave her the name ethonoe; which, however, either he or his successors have altered into what they thought a nicer form, and called her Athena".

    Plato, Cratylus, 407b

  85. I also noticed ethonoe always wears a war helmet. I bet she knows why.


    The Demise of Islam?

    By Jamie Glazov | 7/15/2008

    Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Abul Kasem, an ex-Muslim who is the author of hundreds of articles and several books on Islam including, Women in Islam. He was a contributor to the book Leaving Islam – Apostates Speak Out as well as to Beyond Jihad: Critical Views From Inside Islam. He writes from Sydney, Australia and can be reached at

    FP: Abul Kasem, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

    Kasem: Good to be here Jamie.

    FP: We’re here today to discuss the potential demise of Islam and the fact that the Prophet Muhammad actually predicted this demise himself – a fact that sounds somewhat odd and that many are unaware of. What is the best way to start a discussion of this issue?

    Kasem: Well, I would start by asking this question: could the current civilization ever imagine a world without Islam?

    To many, this might sound like a dim-witted question. After all, Islam has been with us for fifteen hundred years. It just doesn’t even seem thinkable that Islam could possibly die out. Currently, after all, Islam is the raging storm afflicting every part of the world, especially with the mayhem of the Islamist terrorists and the escalating oil prices – and oil largely flows from a few Islamic lands. The leaders of the un-Islamic world are busy pleasing Islam in whatever manner. Even the United Nation’s Human Rights Organisation has just passed a resolution disallowing discussion of how Islam violates fundamental human rights in many Islamic paradises. In this context, it seems almost impossible to imagine a world free of Islam.

    FP: Absolutely, and it is totally unrealistic to think that Islam will ever disappear.

    Kasem: No. Despite the world situation that I just painted, what you say is not true at all.

    FP: Please explain.

    Kasem: We learn from the annals of Islamic history that Islam is not that powerful and that it is actually very vulnerable. Much evidence suggests that it may very well die under its own weight.

    FP: Fair enough, please expand.

    Kasem: There is a secret life of Islam and it may very well lead to the death of Islam. The history of Islam, for instance, tells us that Islam needs blood to thrive. Human blood is the life-line of Islam, violence its hallmark, and hate its foundation. In the beginning, Islam lives on the blood of infidels. When that is unavailable, or becomes difficult, Islam must cannibalize itself. As a car needs gasoline to run, so does Islam need human blood just to run its own course, set by Muhammad, its Prophet.

    FP: Sounds very much like communism. It starts off extinguishing the “class enemy” and then when there are no more external “enemies” to slaughter, the killing machine turns on itself. Terror takes on a life of its own and the killing machine devours its own children and then ultimately engages in suicide. This totalitarian impulse ultimately stems from a death wish.

    Kasem: Precisely. And so the demise of Islam is inherent in the very seed of Islamic cannibalism. And so to understand why Islam, eventually, will self-destruct we must first learn a few lessons from the annals of Islamic history. Let me briefly paint the picture:

    During the last few decades we have witnessed Islamic cannibalism right, front and center. The most recent event was the Iran-Iraq war, in which millions of Muslims were killed, not by the infidels (kafirs) but by Muslims. Undoubtedly, in not-too-distant a future, we are bound to witness many such events of Islamic cannibalism.

    FP: Is Islamic cannibalism theologically rooted?

    Kasem: Absolutely. The earliest example of Islamic cannibalism, after all, is found in the Qur’an itself -- in verses 9:108-110. These verses refer to the gutting of a rival mosque on the instruction of Muhammad, when he was returning after his expedition to Tabuk, a resourceful town in the Syrian-Byzantine territory. This Islamic incursion story goes like this:

    Proceeding further from Tabuk on his way to Medina, Muhammad halted at Dhu Awan at Quba (about 4 kms. from Medina), an hour’s journey from Medina. There, an opposition Muslim group had built a mosque. Previously, while Muhammad was making preparations for the march to Tabuk, this group of Muslims approached him and said, “O Messenger of God, we have built a mosque for the sick and needy and for rainy and cold nights, and we would like you to visit us and pray for us”(The History of al Tabari, vol.ix, p.61). Busy with his preparations for Tabuk expedition, Muhammad excused himself from visiting this newly-built mosque, but assured the dissident group that he would call on their mosque while returning to Medina (from Tabuk).

    On his return journey from Tabuk and halting at Dhu Awan, Muhammad accused builders of this mosque of being unjust. Without any warning, he sent a band of jihadists to burn and destroy the freshly constructed mosque. He said to his band of hooligans, “Go to this mosque whose owners are unjust people and destroy and burn it” (ibid, p.61). His band of raging arsonists stealthily entered the bustling mosque and set fire to it when it was filled with people assembled for the evening prayer. The worshippers dispersed in utter terror. Allah promptly sent down verse 9:107, 110, justifying the destruction of opposition mosques. To further validate his gutting of this mosque, Muhammad concocted the story that he suspected that the builders of the ‘Mosque of Dissent’ were planning to assassinate him.

    FP: So what is this story in the Qur’an teaching? What is its message?

    Kasem: Those verses of the Qur’an, when taken in true Islamic spirit, can only mean one thing: the call for the devastation of rival mosques. The most important question is: which mosques are genuinely Islamic and which mosques are not so Islamic? Since there is no central authority in Islam to decide on this, it becomes a moot-point. It is, therefore, a free-market in Islam when it comes to destruction and bloodshed.

    FP: The consequences?

    Kasem: The consequences are obvious and inevitable: Sunnis are free to destroy Shia mosques; the Shias are permitted to destroy Sunni mosques; both these groups are free to destroy Ahmedi or Kurdish mosques, and so on. Within each group there are sub-groups and they are also entitled to commit such atrocities on other groups. This is exactly what is going on in almost all Islamic Paradises.

    In Iraq, Sunnis are destroying Shia mosques and murdering them. In Pakistan, Sunnis are killing the Shias and burning their mosques. Then the Shias are avenging this by destroying Sunni mosques. In Bangladesh, both the Sunnis and the Shias are occupying Ahmedi mosques and setting them on fire. This musical chair of mosque-burning and killing is proceeding unabated, each group claiming they are the true Muslims. Each group is adamant they are absolutely following the Qur’an and Sunna (Muhammad’s deeds and examples), the two principal sources of Islam.

    Interestingly, this fratricide is unstoppable, as the Islamic Ummah is far from monolithic. No one knows the precise divisions among the Ummah. But Muhammad had predicted that the Muslims will be divided into seventy-two sects, each one killing one another, and together killing the infidels.

    FP: So Muhammad actually himself predicted this cannibalism with Islam itself? Give us the theological evidence.

    Kasem: Yes he did. There are many ahadith that discuss Muhammad’s prediction about his Ummah. Let me give a few:

    Seventy-two of the seventy-three Muslim sects will go to hell; only one of the sects will be in Paradise; it is the majority group…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.40.4580)

    Islam has seventy branches…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.40.4659)

    Whoever creates disunity in the Islamic community kill him…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.40.4744)

    In a note (footnote 4153), the English translator of Sunaan Abu Dawud, Professor Ahmad Hasan admits that it is permissible to ‘cannibalize’ dissident Islamic group/s. He writes: ‘The Prophet (may peace be upon him) did not tolerate disunity and schism among Muslims. Therefore, he ordered that, instead of causing separation and disagreement in the community, it is better to kill the person who causes disunity.’

    Another hadis (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 40.4747, Sahih Bukhari, 4.55.577) asks to murder those Muslims who are insincere in their faith. This hadis even tells that Allah loves the Muslims who kill those insincere Muslims.

    FP: Tell us a few major sects and sub-sects of Islam:

    Kasem: Here are some of the main ones:

    Sunnis: Hanafi, Shafii, Maliki, Hanbal




    Submitters (Qur’an only Muslims)



    Shia: Jaffri, Islamilia, Zaidiah, Yazdis










    Needless to say, each group (and sub group) thinks they are the true Muslims, and only they have the right to practice Islam. Thus often, they cannibalize one another. There is no tolerance, compromise or truce among these groups.

    FP: Tell us about a few more cases of Islamic cannibalism that were perpetrated during the nascent stages of Islam.

    Kasem: Well, I mentioned the very first Islamic cannibalism mentioned in the Qur’an. Ever since then, the practice of killing Muslims by Muslims is truly endemic. During the time of Khulafa Rashedin (the rightly guided caliphs) this cannibalism took a serious turn, sparing not even the two last caliphs, ‘Uthman and Ali. Both of them were murdered by savage Islamic cannibals. Among these two cases of Islamic cannibalism, perhaps the murder of ‘Uthman stands out to be the most aghast. Here is how it was carried out, as described by Tabari (The History of al Tabari, volume xv, pp.219 220):

    …Muhammad b. Abi Bakr, accompanied by Kinanah b. Bishr b. ‘Attab, Sudan b. Humran and ‘Amr b. al-Hamiq, reached ‘Uthman by climbing over the wall from the house of ‘Amr b. Hazm. They found ‘Uthman, with his wife Na’ilah, reading the Surah of the Cow from the Qur’an. Muhammad b. Abi Bakr came up to them and seized ‘Uthman’s beard. “May God disgrace you, you hyena,” he said. ‘Uthman replied, “I am no hyena. I am God’s servant and the Commander of the Faithful.”Muhammad said, “Neither Mua’wiyah nor anyone else has been of any use to you.” ‘Uthman said, “Son of my brother, let go my beard. Your father would not have gripped like this.” Muhammad replied, “Had my father seen you doing these things, he would have denounced you for them, and I mean to do worse to you than grab your beard.” ‘Uthman said, “I seek God’s help and support against you.” Then Muhammad pierced his forehead with a broad iron-tipped arrow that he was holding. Kinanah b. Bishr raised some arrows of the same kind that he was holding, and plunged them into the base of ’Uthman’s ear down to his throat. Then he fell on him with his sword until he killed him.

    According to ‘Abd al-Rahman—Abu ‘Awn:

    Kinanah b. Bishr struck his forehead with an iron bar. He pitched forward, face down, and Sudan b. Humran al-Muradi beat him after he had fallen and killed him.…As to ‘Amr, he jumped on ‘Uthman and sat on his chest—he was still barely alive—and stabbed him nine times. ‘Amr said, “I stabbed him three times for God’s sake and six times because of the anger in my breast against him.”

    If we are troubled reading those passages, we must remember that all of those who ‘cannibalized’ ‘Uthman were impeccable Muslims—the most ardent jihadists, belonging to the stock of Muhammad the Hashim clan of the Quraysh.

    This Islamic cannibalism did not end there. The cycle continued until Aisha (Prophet Muhammad’s dearest wife), along with two of her brothers-in-law, Talha and Zubayr set out to avenge ‘Uthman’s murder. When she reached al-Basrah, a rebel stronghold, she killed (by beheading) six hundred of the suspected rebels who had ‘cannibalized’ ‘Uthman. Ali, being sucked into the vortex of this cannibalistic cycle, set out to punish Aisha’s gang.

    The result: ten thousand Muslims, including Talhah and Zubayr lay perished in al-Basrah, equal in proportion from both sides. Aisha’s life was spared by the cannibals, but her camel was hamstrung.

    In Islamic history this is known as the Battle of the Camel. This is perhaps one of the most moving examples of how Islamic cannibalism really perpetuates a never-ending cycle of violence and mayhem. This is the reason why we shall never observe a let up to the succession of Islamic cannibalism in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt or Sudan.

    The narration of this very important chain of cannibalism will remain incomplete till we learn the fate of all the participants sucked into this whirlpool of cannibalism and counter cannibalism.

    The following passages, adopted from Tabari’s Tarikh al-Tabari (vol. xvii) illustrate very briefly how this cycle of Islamic cannibalism continued, and will continue:

    Muawiyah b. Abi Sufyan, the governor of Syria and a close relative of caliph ‘Uthman demanded from Ali the handing over of the killers of ‘Uthman. When Ali refused to comply with this request, Muawayiah b. Abi Sufyan, and his right-hand man, ‘Amr b. al-‘As (the deposed governor of Egypt), became open enemies of Ali. They gathered forces and set off to attack Ali. Ali met this force at Siffin. Fearful of defeat at the hands of Ali’s fierce and well-trained army, Muwayiah and ‘Amr devised quite an innovative trick. Their soldiers attached copies of the Qur’an at the tip of their lances and raised them high in air. Ali’s soldiers went in stupor and were hesitant to charge their enemy, lest they trample the Holy Qur’an. Both sides remained standstill—the battle became a stalemate. In the end, both parties agreed to stop fighting and decided on a speedy negotiated settlement by appointing an arbiter from each side. Having mutually reached this agreement, both sides separated and returned.

    But not everyone on Ali’s side was happy with his prompt decision. A faction of Islamist extremists thought judgment belonged to Allah and Ali’s decision to appoint arbiters for a peaceful settlement is contrary to Islamic principle. This dissident group of Ali was known as the Kharijites. They insisted that Ali resume fighting. But Ali could not renege on his treaty of a peaceful settlement. The Kharijites declared Ali to be a sinner and asked him to repent. Initial attempt by Ali for reconciliation with the Kharijites met with feeble success. So, ultimately, Ali had to cannibalize the cannibals. He had to fight a major battle at the canal of Nahrawan, east of river Tigris in Iraq. This battle ended with a merciless mass slaughter of the Kharijites. But this cannibalization did not completely eradicate the Kharijite problem. Many Kharijites survived this genocide, went into hiding, and some of them returned to Kufa (Ali’s headquarter in Iraq) stealthily. A few of them went to Egypt.

    FP: Let’s get back to Muhammad. He gave the instructions for -- and paved the foundation to -- Islamic cannibalism. He also, in this context, made a prediction in regards to Islam’s demise, correct?

    Kasem: Yes, he predicted the demise of Islam.

    As strange and as unbelievable as it might appear in these days of unremitting Islamic terrorism and Islamic cannibalism, Muhammad himself had predicted the decline of Islam. Comparing Islam with a snake, he likened Islam to be confined between the mosques of Mecca and Medina. Please read these Sahih ahadith from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim:

    Belief returns and goes back to Medina like a snake...(Sahih Bukhari, 3.30.100)

    There will be no trace of Islam in some believers...(Sahih Bukhari, 9.84.65)

    Islam was initiated as something strange, and it would revert to its (old position) of being strange, and it would concentrate between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole…(Sahih Muslim, 1.0270)

    The Islamic faith will recede to Medina just as the serpent crawls into its hole…(Sahih Muslim, 1.0271, 0272)

    Allah needs sinners… (Sahih Muslim 37.6620, 6622)

    Muslims will diminish in number and they will go back to where they started…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 2.19.3029)

    Muslims will be the scum and the rubbish even though their numbers may increase; the enemy will not fear Muslims anymore. This will be because the Muslims will love world and dislike death…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 37.4284)

    Muhammad’s contemporaries were the best Muslims; after three generations, the Muslims will be mainly treacherous and untrustworthy… (Sahih Bukhari, 5.57.2, 3)

    Muslims will be destroyed through the hands of some Quraysh young men…(Sahih Bukhari, 9.87.180)

    There will be much killing during the last days of the Muslims…(Sahih Bukhari, 9.88.183)

    And here are a few excerpts from the greatest of all Islamic minds, al Ghazali:

    Muhammad said Islam began with a few and will soon return to a few as it began. The few of those true Muslims are those who follow to purify Muhammad’s sunnah and follow strictly his traditions…(Ihya Ulum al Din by Ghazali, Tr. Fazl-ul-Karim. First edition. Darul Ishat, Urdu Bazar, Karachi, Pakistan, 1993. p.1.49).

    Muhammad said, “The wealth of a Muslim in near future will be goats and sheep. He will roam in caves of hillocks and places of water. He will shift from one place to another with his religion and calamities.”…(ibid, p.2.142)

    Muhammad said, “In near future such a time will come upon man when it will be difficult to save his religion. To save religion he will flee away like a jacket from one cave to another and from one hillock to another.”…(ibid)

    FP: Ho do we understand Allah's mindset in all of this?

    Kasem: It is impossible to understand Allah’s mind. In many verses He threatens infidels with severe punishment, including death if they do not convert to Islam. However the Qur’an also demonstrates Allah’s frustration. Allah is so disappointed with Muhammad’s performance that He promises to send a beast as a final messenger (27:82). In verse 68:51 Allah admits that the Qur’an had made Muhammad a mad man, thus implying that Muhammad, after all, could not be trusted to save Islam. To accentuate Muhammad’s mental instability Allah says in verse 41:36 that Allah let Satan confuse Muhammad. In verses 38:82 83 Allah admits that He let loose Iblis, the Satan; He did not want to control Iblis. This means Satan is more powerful than Allah. Thus, it is imperative that eventually, Satan will triumph and destroy Islam. This, of course, is the desire of Allah, as nothing may transpire without Allah’s wish. Allah even admits that He loves to sow discord about His Book (the Qur’an, 41:45).

    FP: So what do we conclude from what you have demonstrated here today?

    Kasem: We can conclude that there is a certain ending to Islam and that those who wish for it do not necessarily need to do anything. All that is needed is to let it run its own course. It is bound to self-destruct, if we are to learn from the lessons of Islamic history. The un-Islamic world just needs to protect itself with strict security measures, never letting the various groups of Islam unite to kill the infidels. Once the infidels learn the secret life of Islam, it is simply a matter to watch how Islam implodes. Once the Islamic oil runs dry, once the world secures a reliable source of energy to replace oil, once the infidels stand together, and once the infidels become iron-resolute to contain Islam in their lands, Islam will die a natural death.

    FP: Abul Kasem, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.

    Kasem: My pleasure Jamie.

    Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's managing editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He edited and wrote the introduction to David Horowitz’s Left Illusions. He is also the co-editor (with David Horowitz) of The Hate America Left and the author of Canadian Policy Toward Khrushchev’s Soviet Union (McGill-Queens University Press, 2002) and 15 Tips on How to be a Good Leftist. To see his previous symposiums, interviews and articles Click Here. Email him at

  87. "Fucked his daughter, and, he found out."

    Hope it wasn't against some prescribed dietary laws. That could lead to serious consequences.

  88. One simple question for Obama:

    If we are still fighting AQ in Afghanistan in four years time and we have lost, say four thousand troops, what would be your next move?

  89. Holy fuck Occupation. That is one seriously long post.

  90. That's an easy Obama answer.

    White flag.

  91. As opposed to printing more money, Sam?

  92. As opposed to winning. Whatever that takes. Printing more money, more troops, levelling the Pakistan border area, growing some fucking balls. Like Rat said earlier, taking the fight to the enemy instead of just sit/hold/absorb.

  93. But I've already explained, Sam. You can't take the fight to the enemy when its' the enemy that buys your debt and soon to be worthless dollars and you want him to buy more and more of it.

  94.'s the enemy that buys your debt..

  95. Horseshit.

    Break the enemy. Make them the borrowers.

  96. sam said...
    Holy fuck Occupation. That is one seriously long post.

    Yes Sam, Fucking can be Holy....

    The double mitzvot comes to mind...

    But the world needs to KNOW about how Islam needs to be destroyed...

  97. Roger that, Occupation.

    So fucking is one of the 620 commandments?

  98. sam


    not 620

    and to make love to your spouse on shabbos is considered fulfilling the "instruction"

  99. Nice.

    Learning all kinds of stuff here.

  100. As to the idea of 4,000 US KIA, in Afghanistan, at the ten to ne kill ratio that was established at Kunar, we'll have killed those 40,000 irreconcialble insurgents Obama mentioned.
    Those that needed to be killed.
    By using the tactics of Mr Beers and Mr Clarke.

  101. Spc. Jason Dean Hovater was much more than a soldier stationed in an outpost in Afghanistan near the Pakistan border.

    "He was a brother and a son and a husband,'' said Hovater's sister, Jessica Davis of Norris.

    "Most of all, he was a man of God. He was a light to other people around him."

    More than a Soldier

  102. "He was a brother and a son and a husband,'' said Hovater's sister, Jessica Davis of Norris.

    Heartbreaking to watch.

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