“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” - George W. Bush

All The Best

THE ELEPHANT BAR IS CLOSED

I want to thank everyone who participated in the Elephant Bar over the past twelve years. We had millions of visitors from all around the World and you were part of it. Over the past dozen years, two or three times a night, I would open my laptop and some of you were always there. I will miss that.

My plans are to continue my work with technology and architecture. You know my interests and thoughts.

At times, things would get a little rough in the EB. To those of you that I may have offended over the years, I apologize. From all of you, I learned and grew.

An elephant never forgets.
Be well.

Deuce, 21 June 2018

Friday, February 16, 2007

Israel, Palestine and Iraq. Is the Bush Administration in a Listening Mood?


The US Administration is in a listening mood, Egypt's ambassador to Washington tells Dina Ezzat
Al-Ahram

Nabil Fahmi
As Egypt's Ambassador to the US Nabil Fahmi knows better than most, the consequences of a break in the dialogue between the US and Egypt are negative. And while his mandate has always included promoting an exchange of views between Cairo and Washington, Fahmi believes American-Egyptian dialogue is especially crucial now, during a time when US policy on the Middle East is facing scrutiny in the US and elsewhere and as a consequence is entering a phase of revision.

In a telephone interview from his office in the US capital Fahmi told Al-Ahram Weekly that the current US administration's absorption with its problems in Iraq does not mean that it is unwilling to listen to the opinions of others on issues crucial to their mutual interests in the Middle East. The Palestinian-Israeli track of the Arab-Israeli peace process, he says, is one such area of concern.

Last week's visit to Washington by Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul-Gheit and Chief of Intelligence Omar Suleiman, says Fahmi, was crucial in communicating Egypt's position to the US administration which is, he says, "currently in a listening moment".

"Of course it would be naive to expect the Americans to immediately engage with the advice Egypt offered. It is too early to say whether the Americans will take our advice on board fully, partially or at all," says Fahmi. "But the point," he adds almost immediately, "had to be made."

Abul-Gheit's and Suleiman's agenda in Washington was, says Fahmi, varied and wide-ranging. They met with administration officials, members of Congress, think tanks and media representatives, and discussions covered many aspects of Egypt's bilateral relationship with the US as well as regional developments. "Yet it would be true to say some 90 per cent of discussions were spent on regional developments, especially the Palestinian-Israeli issue."

The Egyptian delegation's message was, Fahmi argues, simple and "to the point".

"Israelis and Palestinians need to talk about their outstanding disagreements and start negotiating final status issues and not interim matters as some have been suggesting."

Final status issues include the establishment of a Palestinian state, determining its borders in relation to Israel, the fate of East Jerusalem and that of hundreds of thousands of refugees.

It is a message, Fahmi acknowledges, that has been communicated to the Americans before -- most recently during last month's visit to Cairo by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Understanding, though not commitment, was the response of the Americans to Egypt's proposals; tellingly, Egypt's Ambassador to the US thinks it pertinent to repeat the messages conveyed less than a month before.

Fahmi is not blind to the fact that despite determined Egyptian efforts to communicate the need for movement on the Palestinian-Israeli track Washington might choose to pursue another route.

"What is important to realise," says Fahmi, "is that this administration still has almost two years in office. They will have to take decisions on many issues. They cannot remain undecided for ever."

"It is a different question, however, whether or not they take the decisions that we hope they will."

Fahmi worked hard before the ministerial visit, and continues to do so, to ensure the US administration, Congress, lobbies and press understand that it is in the interest of Arabs, Israelis and Americans alike to take serious steps towards resolving the Palestinian-Israeli conflict "even while the US is so busy with Iraq".

But what guarantees are there that should the Americans decide to move on the Palestinian-Israeli front they will do so more in pursuit of substantial results than simply scoring PR points?

"I think it is inaccurate to suggest that the Americans are only interested in theatrics," argues Fahmi. They want more than empty meetings, whether in or out of the Middle East, when it comes the Palestinian-Israeli issue. What is accurate, he adds, is that "the Americans are still thinking about their options."

While Egypt is pressing for final status talks "others have different opinions because they have different interests" which, he explains, contradict with the goal of establishing an independent and viable Palestinian state that can live side by side with Israel in peace.

While acknowledging that the "environment in Washington is very tense at the moment with everybody focused on Iraq" one of the obvious messages communicated to Washington during last week's ministerial visit was, says Fahmi, that the administration could show that it is still strong on foreign policy issues through contrasting its problems in Iraq with a success story on the Palestinian-Israeli front.

"It is important that Secretary Rice is returning to the region," says Fahmi. And while he is unwilling to make any predictions about the results of Rice's expected three-way meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, he hopes "that the parties will encourage Rice to support moves towards discussing final status talks and that Rice in her turn will encourage the parties to do so".

He believes the talks conducted by Abul-Gheit and Suleiman with Rice in Washington last week were helpful in this respect and Egypt is "doing what it can do".

One of Egypt's aims, he says, is to engage the American administration on other issues of regional concern since this might help pave the way towards US action on the Palestinian issue. Egypt is working with the US to find "a fruitful policy" on Iraq, though it is fully aware this is a difficult short-term objective.

"Egypt, too, wants an end to the problems that Iraqis are facing. We want to maintain Iraq's unity," says Fahmi. And it is "part of Egypt's regional role" to consult with other concerned regional players, particularly Iraq's neighbours, in an attempt to help Iraqis move beyond their current difficulties and be able to jointly live in a unified and strong Iraq.

For Fahmi, the exchange of views that was conducted during the Abul-Gheit/ Suleiman visit to Washington on these and other regional issues -- including the need to engage Syria on the peace process and avoid lumping it together with Iran in terms of their respective roles in Iraq -- was significant. It "highlighted" the important nature of Egypt's regional role, both to an administration keen to work with reliable regional players and to the newly elected Congress.

Fahmi concedes that questions will inevitably continue to be raised about Egypt's commitment to reform and its human rights record. But, he says, "we are living in a transparent world... we accept questions and we answer them by way of informing our friends about our efforts."

"Americans see reform going on in Egypt, even if in a way that is not compatible with their visions, and they have decided that the best way to support it is to follow it rather than to interfere."

Overall, says Fahmi, last week's ministerial visit to Washington affirmed the solid foundations for the dialogue Egyptians and Americans conduct across issues of common interest and "issues of disagreement as well".

All visits have short- and long-term objectives. While last week's visit had the revival of the peace process as its short-term objective, says Fahmi, the longer-term goal was to remind all concerned of the vitality of the Egyptian-American relationship. Both objectives, he believes, were well-served.

This week Mouchira Khattab, secretary- general of the National Council for Motherhood and Childhood, will visit the US. Next month governmental and non- governmental trade delegations, that will include Minister of Trade and Industry Rachid Mohamed Rachid and Minister of Investment Mahmoud Moheiddin, are due for a tour of the US. Meanwhile, US Congress members are planning visits to Egypt in the weeks ahead. But what about President Hosni Mubarak, who has not visited Washington for three years now? Has last week's visit by Abul-Gheit and Suleiman paved the way for what used to be an annual presidential trip?

"President Mubarak and President [George W] Bush are in a constant exchange of views through telephone conversations; President Bush was in Egypt less than two years ago; President Mubarak has been very busy with presidential elections and is now very busy with constitutional reforms," says Fahmi.

But given that the US is in a listening mood, does that not suggest the time is ripe for Mubarak to visit Washington?

"All visits," responds Fahmi diplomatically, "are possible, depending on the interests of both sides."

12 comments:

  1. Of course, over in Israel, Olmert's continuation of concessions and acquiescence with the Hamas-Fatah deal mediated by the Saudis shows that the forgotten crisis over in Palestine is nowhere near solvable.

    [...] the administration could show that it is still strong on foreign policy issues through contrasting its problems in Iraq with a success story on the Palestinian-Israeli front.

    Does anyone truly believe there will be a success story as long as Olmert is around, and all the funds we have channelled to Abbas have now been redirected Hamas coffers (and legitimised by the Saudis)?

    The key to the Middle East is not Israel-Palestine - we have wasted enough time and money trying to support this party and that party, only to see both commit time and again to the time-honoured cause of destroying all traces of our existence. Replace Olmert and then we can talk.

    Egypt would be better-suited to actively providing us support in Iraq instead of distracting us with their fixation on the Palestinian issue.

    While Egypt is pressing for final status talks "others have different opinions because they have different interests" which, he explains, contradict with the goal of establishing an independent and viable Palestinian state that can live side by side with Israel in peace.

    Only thing is, Hamas isn't interested in that objective. Its prime concern is existential - both for itself and the denial of it to Israel.

    Still, it would be wise to foster working relations with Egypt. Hosni Mubarak's regime may be the lesser of two evils, especially when the Muslim Brotherhood is waiting in the wings.

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  2. Mubarak is 79 years old. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded the same year Mubarak was born. The Muslim Brotherhood has big plans for the Muslim world but the first test will be after Mubarak passes from the scene. Too bad Moses had not developed a taste for let's say Albania, or Tuscany.

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  3. Transition to Mubarak II with or without blood shed?
    I bet on blood in the streets.

    Will the Eqyptian Army fire upon Egyptian rioters?

    How many Billion USD are we giving the Pharaoh annually, to be our friend?

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  4. Dear Mr President,

    This is the Great Country of Egypt calling..

    Just to remind you of some facts.

    Egypt controled gaza for thousands of years and never did the concept of "palestine" ever once come from our mouths...

    after those dam JEWS refused to die, even though we tried and helped hitler, somehow that group called the UN created a nation of rejects "israel", we of course rejected this concept...

    so we used gaza as a great way to get tons of exposives and rifles to our brother arabs to use against those "jews"

    those jews....

    so what did we do? we took an egyptian named arafat and created a NEW group of arabs to harrass the jews since we failed to push them into the sea...

    this new group, took the name "palestinian" from the jews of the area, since they were and called themselves that...

    now, arafat the egyptian and our secret police launched the PLO and the idea was to starve the jews of water out of the borders of their tiny shitty little hole...

    so in 1966, with our help, the PLO attacked the water carrier in the zionist enterprise!

    so... again, we lost gaza, and jordan lost the west bank, and sinai. much for a military solution...

    so to cut to the chase,,,

    israel is now out of gaza and we have stepped up our transfers of rockets, ieds, grenades, cash and other assorted sundries (like iran with iraq) to our fake people palestine in order to kill more jews...

    so i hear you want to listen now?

    hear this...

    we are pathetic, corrupt and impodent, this is why we get others to do our bidding...

    in short, dont ask us to reform, just give us money, and while we call for your president to die, you should understand that we are the great arab nation of egypt (dont mention we are thieves that stole the land from the 1st christians, the copts)

    the palestinian process is great, we will continue to cause shit to happen because we need the scapegoat of the jews to refocus or people away from the truth..

    the truth?

    we suck.....

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  5. To date almost 1.5 million people have reportedly abandoned Iraq, in addition to Mr Mookie. The majority of these refugees have been Sunni, running to Jordan and Syria. The UN watchdog thinks that another million will take flight in '07

    GENEVA (Associated Press) -- Unrelenting violence and insecurity in Iraq could cause as many as 1 million Iraqis to flee their homes this year, the world's migration body said Friday.

    "The numbers of people that are being displaced are increasing every day," said Jemini Pandaya, spokeswoman for the International Organization for Migration. "The security situation is not improving. It's not changing."

    Pandaya said the organization's estimate was made "on the assumption that security conditions will continue much as they are."

    The possibility of neighboring countries, such as Syria, closing their borders would mean even more of the displaced would only be able to get as far as other parts of Iraq.


    The idea that four years after the liberation of Iraq, 10% of it's population would be in flight, well that's most all the Sunni.

    When I suggested Camps to house the Sunni population, while "clearing" & rebuilding their areas, it would have been a proactive course. Now the same numbers of refugees will need to be housed, but without the Clear, Build, Hold result.

    The US left reacting to events instead of creating them.

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  6. WASHINGTON (Associated Press) -- About $10 billion has been squandered by the U.S. government on Iraq reconstruction aid because of contractor overcharges and unsupported expenses, and federal investigators warned Thursday that significantly more taxpayer money is at risk.

    The three top auditors overseeing work in Iraq told a House committee their review of $57 billion in Iraq contracts found that Defense and State department officials condoned or allowed repeated work delays, bloated expenses and payments for shoddy work or work never done.

    More than one in six dollars charged by U.S. contractors were questionable or unsupported, nearly triple the amount of waste the Government Accountability Office estimated last fall.


    10 in 57, why that's 17.5%
    Makin' hay while the sun shines.

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  7. DR,

    re: How many Billion USD are we giving the Pharaoh annually, to be our friend?

    Close to $60,000,000,000.00 over the past 25 years, and worth every darned penny, as you can see.

    re: Pharaoh

    Pharaoh was a revered figure, an incarnate god. Mr. Mubarak can't use the head without a bodyguard.

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  8. harrison,

    re: Olmert

    He is a disgusting soul. That said, it doesn't matter who takes his place, as long as Israel is bound at the hip to American foreign policy via military appropriations.

    Although it will never happen, Israel would have security and get support from its so-called friends were it to let it be known that, if attacked, ICBMs would be delivered worldwide. Of course, time is not on Israel's side; American missile defense will make Israel even more subservient to its American handlers. An American missile defense will protect Saudi Arabia (for an example) from reaping the just reward for its duplicity and rabid Jew hating Wahhabism. Obviously, the same holds true for Egypt.

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  9. Perhaps some of the Pharaohs lived as Gods, feted amongst the folk, but others succumbed to Palace intriques, plots and schemes.

    Just plain folk, the Pharaohs Court

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  10. I still like Israel in Nato, and the EU.

    Judaism, Christianity and Western Civilisation may have had a fratricidal past, but the reality is all three are inextricably bound by history, blood, culture, science art, philosophy and a vision for the future.

    At some point that point needs to be made clear to friends and foe alike.

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  11. Deuce,

    re: Israel in NATO

    This presupposes the EU tolerance of Israel in NATO. Turkey may have an easier time entering the EU than Israel being admitted into NATO.

    Were I speaking for Israel, given the actual performance of NATO, say in Afghanistan, why would I want to join NATO?

    It is unlikely that Saudi Arabia would agree to the Israeli admission, all other things equal.

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  12. No country has ever attacked a Nato country.

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