“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Friday, August 13, 2010

"Islam has always been part of America." - Barack Hussein Obama

EDITORIAL: Obama's Islamic America

What country is he talking about?


Thursday, August 12, 2010ASSOCIATED PRESS

President Obama says Islam has always been part of America, which raises the question, does the president know something about American history that we don't?

It has become customary for presidents to offer greetings to various religious communities on the occasion of their most holy days. Presidents Ford and Carter both issued Ramadan messages, as did Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush. The Ramadan greeting became intensely political during Mr. Bush's tenure because he was seeking to dispel the charge that the war on terrorism was a crusade against Islam. But Mr. Obama has used the occasion of Ramadan to rewrite U.S. history and give Islam a prominence in American annals that it has not earned.

In this year's greeting, Mr. Obama said the rituals of Ramadan "remind us of the principles that we hold in common and Islam's role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings. Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality. And here in the United States, Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been part of America and that American Muslims have made extraordinary contributions to our country."

That Islam has had a major role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings may come as a surprise to Muslim women. Young Afghan girls who are having acid thrown in their faces on the way to school might want to offer their perspectives. That Islam is "known" for diversity and racial equality is also a bit of a reach. This certainly does not refer to religious diversity, which is nonexistent in many Muslim-majority states. This is a plaudit better reserved for a speech at the opening of a synagogue in Mecca.

Most puzzling is the president's claim that "Islam has always been part of America." Islam had no influence on the origins and development of the United States. It contributed nothing to early American political culture, art, literature, music or any other aspect of the early nation.

Throughout most of American history, the Muslim world was perceived as remote, alien and belligerent. Perhaps the president was thinking about the Barbary Pirates and their role in the founding of the U.S. Navy, or Andrew Jackson's dispatch of frigates against Muslim pirates in Sumatra in the 1830s. Maybe he was recalling Rutherford B. Hayes' 1880 statement regarding Morocco on "the necessity, in accordance with the humane and enlightened spirit of the age, of putting an end to the persecutions, which have been so prevalent in that country, of persons of a faith other than the Moslem, and especially of the Hebrew residents of Morocco." Or Grover Cleveland's 1896 comment on the continuing massacre of Armenian Christians: "We have been afflicted by continued and not infrequent reports of the wanton destruction of homes and the bloody butchery of men, women and children, made martyrs to their profession of Christian faith. ... It so mars the humane and enlightened civilization that belongs to the close of the nineteenth century that it seems hardly possible that the earnest demand of good people throughout the Christian world for its corrective treatment will remain unanswered."

It also is customary in the United States to search for obscure contributions made by in-vogue minority groups as a feel-good way of promoting inclusion. One of the earliest Muslims to come to the United States was a 17th-century Egyptian named Norsereddin, who settled in the Catskills and was described by one chronicler as "haughty, morose, unprincipled, cruel and dissipated." Spurned by the princess of an Indian tribe that had befriended him, he managed through a subterfuge to poison her. He was later run down by the betrayed Indians, who burned him alive. It is not the kind of tale that makes it into politically correct history books.


  1. Sure it has...

    It was the force that attempted to RAPE US in 1783...

    It's what caused us to BECOME the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, united against the piracy of the MOSLEMS of North Africa....

    Obama is a disgrace.

    Impeach him now!

    If he was in contact with Hamas BEFORE he was elected President, he is a CRIMINAL

  2. Allen your back. And still carping.

    As with many of your posts this one was a little opaque.

    ...We used to have a cute guy named habu here.

    Some people needin' killin', get killed.

    Just sayin', Quark

    Was this a confession of murder or merely a threat? I'm trying to decide whether to call the Atlanta police or merely laugh my ass off.



    It's a fact that Americans died on the Liberty attack.

    The real cause of the deaths is the fact that an ILLEGAL action by the NSA took over the ship and, against all orders of the day, sailed it into a war zone.

    the NSA, who was doing an illegal and immoral action put that ship in harm's way.

    The Liberty had NO BUSINESS being where it was as it was told to the Israelis that there were NO USA ships in the area.

    The fault lies at the NSA.

    They are directly responsible.

    They got our boys killed.

  4. Teresita said...
    Since you treat the death of 34 American bluejackets like a football game, don't expect me to cry the next time Israel finds themselves tangling with the Hezbos like they did in '06.

    So since you don't like how one israeli views the liberty deaths decades ago, you now will be a jackass about any future israeli death?

    how crass...

    how deplorable...

    It sounds like threats I get when people find me an ass and say, so when they gas your entire people, you will be the justification for it...

  5. I take a different angle on the Liberty...

    Let's give the rat, q and Israel haters their point...

    The Liberty was intentionally attacked by Israel.

    The Liberty, an intelligence gathering ship, was collecting and transmitting signals within a war zone, the USA had told the Israelis they had no ships inthe area, the NSA had taken over the ship's chain of command and sailed the ship into a war zone...

    Israel did not SINK the ship..

    It used did what it could to DISABLE the ship from broadcasting...

    Instead of 43 killed, Israel COULD have sunk it with all hands...

    The USA would have done the same if the tables were turned if NOT SIMPLY SUNK THE SHIP.

    If the Liberty was thought to be an Egyptian intelligence ship it makes sense to disable it. (thus killing anyone topside) and come back later to collect survivors for questioning....

    The Liberty was tragic, but the mistake here seems to be the illegal and immoral action of the NSA for ordering a ship (while sending off streams of broadcasts, lighting it up as a target) into a war zone...

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  7. Allen, thanks for that emotional post on the last stream. I'm sure it will serve as welcome relief to those who were killed and injured on Liberty as well as their surviving relatives.

    With regard to documents released by the NSA, as I previously mentioned most of it was released back in 2001. And as far as I know to date the FOIA requests from both sides of the argument have not been fully complied with.

    You complain that I did not read the documents.

    Did you?

    I suspect not since it appears you did not fully read a one page document that you yourself posted.

    I am also sorry that I will have to withdraw the compliment I gave you yesterday over this quote "and as the matter of anatomy, Sport, a stick cannot be stuck up an anus."

    Upon reflection I've noted you have had you head fully stuck up your ass since the day I came to the bar.


  8. Here is the story by those who do not like Israel

    'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon.

    'Liberty' had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

    At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.

    At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died.

    Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House.

    An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying.

    The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II.

    What is interesting, they admit that it was not a normal USA naval vessel

    They admit that the USA did not send Regular Naval Ships to rescue the boat...

    the MAJOR piece of evidence they state that the SHIP flew a LARGE USA FLAG

    Now hold the presses....

    You mean that is the PROOF that the IDF KNEW?

    Egyptians, Syrians NEVER EVER FLEW an American FLAG on a ship to LIE about whose ship it was?

    This was the 3rd day DURING the 6 day war?


    And since there was an ACTIVE WAR going on and ALL American ships were ordered out of the area...


  9. Hi, Quirk,

    No threat...Use your "highly" educated thinking cap, my boy. :) Bazinga!

    Israel 13, QuirkCo 0

  10. Re: cigarettes and our troops

    ...onto something not related to making either DR or Quirk the center of attention: Were you all aware that our troops in Afghanistan rely of family care packages for smokes? Are you aware that the USPS has been preventing the shipment of these smokes?

  11. Sounds like an illegal operation, that put the ship into a war zone, WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE PRESIDENT OR CONGRESS...

    The NSA was doing a rouge mission. Sending the data on to the British who then were transmitting the data (via cyprus) to Egypt.

    I bet the Israelis KNEW the liberty was a spy ship...

    I bet they knew it was sending an electron war map to cyprus and they KNEW the brits were siding with the egyptians..

    Did the israelis KNOW it was an American ship? Not a clue

    But we do know that the American government had ordered all American ships out of the area...

    We do know that the NSA was operating outside the norms of law...

    So in the end, the deaths of Americans lies directly with the NSA for such a foolish and dangerous action...

  12. WiO,

    Re: Liberty

    You know, my friend, this Liberty thing is a lot like imaginary numbers: useful to some but not for real.

    Israel 13, QuirkCo 0

  13. Many of your points are well taken WiO.

    I have accused Israel of knowingly attacking a US ship. And of lying about it.

    The Liberty was a spy ship. No one denies that. It was not a war ship but it was in a war zone.

    Evidently, there was a request by the NSA to pull the ship back to about the 100 mile area but it was never acted upon.

    I have never accused Israel of anything but acting in its own perceived self interest in a time of war.

    I have however accused the US government of, after ordering the Liberty into the war zone to monitor transmissions and being told that the Liberty was under attack, failing to protect the Liberty by refusing to send in jets from the Sixth Fleet to take out the attacking Israeli jets and boats.

    I further believe a sham hearing was initiated and a cover up ensued.

    Geopolitics is sometimes shit especially when it sacrifices US lives.

    For that I am accused of being an anti-Semitic and a bigot.

    So be it.


  14. Not to worry, Quirk, the management, always ready to please the regulars has up a new thread, which you are going to love. While you are viewing, think about what your response would be if WiO or I were to put up such a piece of obvioius agitprop? Yeah, that's what I thought too.

  15. Quirk,

    Thank you for the profane insult. I knew you had it in you to devolve to your common denominator. You will fit right in.

  16. "Sounds like an illegal operation, that put the ship into a war zone, WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE PRESIDENT OR CONGRESS..."

    Where do you get this stuff WiO?

    This was the Six Day War. Do you really think LBJ was out of the loop regarding were he was getting info from for his daily briefings?

    "We do know that the NSA was operating outside the norms of law..."

    What law was that WiO?



  17. WiO,

    I warn you, Quirk has no interest in fact. Israel is quilty and that's that.

    You can waste hours, as I have done, pouring over declassified documents and linking them, but you will get the same blood libel: Jews spill the blood of the innocent for their own nefarious ends. This might as well be 11thC England...Good grief...

    In the event I sign off, Shabbat Shalom.

  18. Allen in high dudgeon about someone else's profane insult.



  19. Quirk,

    I know that you believe, as do others, that to earn your big boy pants and big girl slacks you must regurgitate dirty words...wrong and pathetically childlike. Profanity also shows a lack of verbal skill and is a sure sign of the undisciplined personality. Why, I would not be surprised to discover that you curse your "loved ones".

    You are a small man in every way. For instance, you ask for documentation and, then, reject it within minutes, without a thought. Quirk, you asked for documentation because you arrogantly believed none could be had on such short notice. Well, chum (and that is a pun) as it turns, there is plenty of documentation and it does not support your prejudice. You refused to read it for this very reason. It is because of people like you that the Founders established our court system.

    There is also, thankfully, eyewitness testimony available, including that which makes a liar of your author.

    So, my boy, squirm as you may, with all the reinforcement you may get, you still lose.

    Israel 13, QuirkCo 0

  20. "You fefused to read it...


    Hundreds of pages did you say?

    Did you read it Allen?

    I suspect not since you didn't bother to read a one pager you offered up as proof.

    Another red herring Allen.

    They are logical fallacies, the last refuge of an illogical mind.


  21. "There is also, thankfully, eyewitness testimony available, including that which makes a liar of your author."

    My author?

    You are the one that brought Bamford up, I assume merely as an excuse to introduce Nowicki's position.

    You truly are illogical.


  22. "I know that you believe, as do others, that to earn your big boy pants and big girl slacks you must regurgitate dirty words...wrong and pathetically childlike. Profanity also shows a lack of verbal skill and is a sure sign of the undisciplined personality. Why, I would not be surprised to discover that you curse your "loved ones".

    Stop it you're killing me.


    You flaming hypocrite. I'd go back and pick up some of the choice droppings from your various posts but there is little need. I expect they will continue to accumulate in the future.


  23. Quirk,

    I'd be happy to pay you to find those "droppings". Again, you project. Do not despair; help is available. Your family will be thankful.

  24. Quirk,

    I am so sorry; I now see how you might be confused about my "droppings".

    Note: frequently, it is true I have extensively quoted you all - such things as "motherfucker", "cocksucker", "dick licker", "piece of shit", "fucking", "goddamit", "shit" and "holy shit", "pussy", "cunt" etc, etc, etc.
    But, Quirk these were quotes of the things you and your little friends say; the sort of things that you would be proud for family and friends to see and hear - as they no doubt do.

    Sorry, I'll try to give you a heads up when next I use the " " " sign.

  25. Quirk,

    Re: Bamford

    Silly boy, look at yesterday; you linked to Bamford, not I. I simply pointed out that Bamford, a man you have relied upon for fact, misrepresented Dr. Nowicki's emails and comments. That would, then, make Bamford a liar.

    No, don't try to saddle me with your dirty laundry. Bamford is all yours, Baby.

  26. "Note: frequently, it is true I have extensively quoted you all - such things as "motherfucker", "cocksucker", "dick licker", "piece of shit", "fucking", "goddamit", "shit" and "holy shit", "pussy", "cunt" etc, etc, etc."

    Nuff said.


  27. "Quirk,

    Re: Bamford"

    Get a grip.

    The progression of events is there for all to see.

    They merely have to look at the chronology of posts.


  28. WiO: The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes.

    Cuz everyone knows the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir just bristled with sensors and parabolic dishes. Silly anti-Semites we, for doubting the IDF.

  29. I'm longing for the day when America really wakes up and realizes it has an enemy within, strange, murderous, misogynist, totalitarian, theocratic, relentless, deceptive and un-American to the highest degree amd we get over this all things are equal craparoo.

  30. Mayor Bloomberg is a very rich man and must have a good mind but totally lacking in good sense.

    Opposition to a proposed mosque near Ground Zero swelled into a furor this week after its planners on Aug. 3 passed the last municipal hurdle barring them from building it. New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg spoke passionately in defense of the project. "Let us not forget that Muslims were among those murdered on 9/11 and that our Muslim neighbors grieved with us as New Yorkers and as Americans," Bloomberg said in a speech that day. "We would betray our values and play into our enemies' hands if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else."

    Bloomberg's predecessor didn't agree. The former mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani, claimed that the project, which is partially intended to be an interfaith community center, would be a "desecration," adding that "decent" Muslims ought not object to his opinion.

    from an article in Time

  31. T,

    Yes, I am afraid your years' long quest has made you silly. The IDF had nothing to do with it.

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