“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Thursday, January 17, 2008

Who is Barack Obama?

You can't judge a book by its cover.
You can judge a man by the company he keeps.

But, what about his church? Is it off limits? Only to a politically correct idiot.

Why have the media given Obama a pass on the issue of his church and religious views?


Obama's Church

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election 2008: Since we first drew attention to Barack Obama's Afrocentric church a full 12 months ago, other media have weighed in. And additional disturbing information has come to light.

Related Topics: Election 2008

At the core of the Democratic front-runner's faith — whether lapsed Muslim, new Christian or some mixture of the two — is African nativism, which raises political issues of its own.
The Rev. Wright in the pulpit at Trinity: 'True to the mother continent.'

The Rev. Wright in the pulpit at Trinity: 'True to the mother continent.'

In 1991, when Obama joined the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, he pledged allegiance to something called the Black Value System, which is a code of non-Biblical ethics written by blacks, for blacks.

It encourages blacks to group together and separate from the larger American society by pooling their money, patronizing black-only businesses and backing black leaders. Such racial separatism is strangely at odds with the media's portrayal of Obama as a uniter who reaches across races.

The code also warns blacks to avoid the white "entrapment of black middle-classness," suggesting that settling for that kind of "competitive" success will rob blacks of their African identity and keep them "captive" to white culture.

In short, Obama's "unashamedly black" church preaches the politics of black nationalism. And its dashiki-wearing preacher — who married Obama and his wife and now acts as his personal spiritual adviser — is militantly Afrocentric. "We are an African people," the Rev. Jeremiah Wright reminds his flock, "and remain true to our native land, the mother continent."

Wright once traveled to Libya with black supremacist Louis Farrakhan to meet with terrorist leader Muammar Qaddafi. Last year at a Chicago gala, Wright honored his old pal Farrakhan, who's fond of calling whites "blue-eyed devils," for lifetime achievement.

It comes as little surprise then that Wright would think Israel a "racist" occupier of Palestinians, while describing the 9/11 attacks as a "wake-up call" to "white America" for ignoring the concerns of "people of color."

Wright makes the Rev. Jesse Jackson look almost moderate and patriotic. Yet this is whom Obama picked to baptize his daughters, plus to act as his "sounding board" during his presidential run.

The candidate already has heeded his church's "nonnegotiable commitment to Africa," spending an inordinate amount of his campaign time on the Kenyan crisis, for one. Obama has close family ties to Kenya, and even founded a school in his ancestral village — the Senator Obama School.

In the bloody conflict there, which already has claimed some 700 lives, Obama appears to have sided with opposition leader Raila Odinga, head of the same Luo tribe to which Obama's late Muslim father belonged.

Obama's older brother still lives there. Abongo "Roy" Obama is a Luo activist and a militant Muslim who argues that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture." He urges his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.

Beyond family politics, these ties have potential foreign policy, even national security, implications.

Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country. He has also vowed to ban booze and pork and impose Muslim dress codes on women — moves favored by Obama's brother.

With al-Qaida strengthening its beachheads in Africa — from Algeria to Sudan to Somalia — the last thing the West needs is for pro-Western Kenya to fall into the hands of Islamic extremists.

Yet Obama interrupted his New Hampshire campaigning to speak by phone with Odinga, who claims to be his cousin. He did not speak with Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki.

Would Obama put African tribal or family interests ahead of U.S. interests?

It's a valid question, and one voters deserve to have debated regardless of the racial and religious sensitivities. Thanks to a media blackout of these issues, the electorate has yet to benefit from a thorough vetting of Obama.

We have to wonder how much of the national agenda Africa would consume under an Obama administration. Of the six "world threats" Obama lists in stump speeches, at least half of them concern that chronically troubled Third World continent.

Yes, some of his African priorities are noble, such as fighting AIDS and genocide. But how much U.S. aid, resources and presidential time would he devote to them? How much is enough? If Bill Clinton was America's "first black president," would Barack Hussein Obama be our first president for Africa?

Then there is the issue of his Muslim past. Obama, 47, was raised by two Muslim fathers and attended Islamic classes in Indonesia.

He denies being Muslim, however, and says he "embraced Christ" while answering the altar call 20 years ago at Trinity. (Contrary to anonymous e-mail rumors circulating, Obama never took the oath of office on the Quran. He used a Bible, and Vice President Dick Cheney swore him in during his Senate ceremony.)

This merely raises another concern, beyond that of the controversial church he chose to baptize him. If Obama were ever Muslim, even as a youth, he would now be viewed as an apostate, which in radical Islam is punishable by death. As Mideast expert Daniel Pipes has noted, a President Obama could be the target of a fatwah.

Still, his Muslim heritage is not the signal issue before the electorate. It's his Afrocentric church, which preaches black socialism and black nativism, and his family ties to an African tribe that's fanning the flames of Marxism and militant Islam in a country once considered strongly democratic and a friend of the U.S.

"I believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change," Obama has asserted. He also says his faith has led him to question "the idolatry of the free market."

If a President Obama's foreign and domestic policies are anything like the Afrocentric doctrine he's pledged to uphold, Americans will pay a hefty price, including those among the growing black middle class.


  1. These fellows either read our comments, or are as clever

    A pro-military advocacy group Move America Forward put the veteran homicide rate even lower.

    The Times documentation of 121 potential killings out of more than 1.5 million veterans of Operation Iraqi Freedom (Iraq) and Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan), divided by 6 years of conflict results in a murder rate of just 1.34 incidents per 100,000 veterans per year. �

    Recall that analysis, here.

  2. The Elephant Brain Trust.
    Misstep in a Liberal Minefield

    Hillary Clinton's campaign has had serial misadventures in the racial minefield of liberalism's own making.
    Its clumsy competition in the sensitivity sweepstakes makes it seem like a quaint anachronism.
    It reeks of the synthetic racial and other sensitivity-mongering of the last third of the previous century.
    Temperate Americans are surely thinking:

  3. They may be as clever, but we beat them to it.
    I brought it up, the Brain Trust ran the numbers.

  4. The Times Vet Fragging
    But the bizarre emphasis of the New York Times upon veteran violence without the provision of context can be understood by remembering that Arthur “Pinch” Sulzberger Jr., publisher of the Times, once said during the Vietnam War that if a North Vietnamese soldier ran into an American soldier, he’d rather see the American soldier shot .
    He may yet achieve his goal — only using the pen instead of the sword.
    (All the News that's Fit to Print…
    …for the whole world to read.)

  5. They brought in Bill Krystol to solve that problem, which really bummed out the staff:

    He May Be Unwelcome, but We’ll Survive

    Of the nearly 700 messages I have received since Kristol’s selection was announced — more than half of them before he ever wrote a word for The Times — exactly one praised the choice.

    Rosenthal’s mail has been particularly rough. “That rotten, traiterous [sic] piece of filth should be hung by the ankles from a lamp post and beaten by the mob rather than gaining a pulpit at ANY self-respecting news organization,” said one message. “You should be ashamed. Apparently you are only out for money and therefore an equally traiterous [sic] whore deserving the same treatment.”

    Kristol would not have been my choice to join David Brooks as a second conservative voice in the mix of Times columnists, but the reaction is beyond reason. Hiring Kristol the worst idea ever? I can think of many worse. Hanging someone from a lamppost to be beaten by a mob because of his ideas? And that is from a liberal, defined by Webster as “one who is open-minded.” What have we come to?

  6. The real winner last night wasn't any of these guys, however. The real winner was Rudy Giuliani, whose strategy of essentially blowing off the first month of the nominating process now seems to have a whiff of (mad) genius about it. Giuliani, to be sure, has seemed off-kilter the past few weeks, lurching from event to event, spouting themeless bromides and adopting a posture of Alfred E. Neuman–esque what-me-worryism. His standings in the polls have been eroding steadily — and not just nationally, but even in such Rudy strongholds as California, where he's fallen from nearly 40 percent to less than 20 and from first place to third.

    Yet now the Republican field is exactly where Rudy's people believed (hoped, prayed) it would be at this point: in utter disarray. If he wins in Florida, where he's essentially been living, basking in the warm sunshine and building up his firewall, while his rivals have frozen their asses off in Iowa and New Hampshire, he will be in the catbird seat. Indeed, you could even argue that, despite having won nothing thus far, Giuliani is now the GOP front-runner again, albeit by default. Bizarre? Incomprehensible? Perverse? No doubt. But what better words to describe the man himself and the party he seeks to lead? —John Heilemann

  7. Obama and Ronald Reagan’s Slipping Halo

    Drove the commenters nuts, here.
    Sadly, there's some truth to what the GOP did w/Reagan's legacy,
    his based on idealism, their's on corruption.

  8. More Republican "Core Values"
    After this Craig & Foley are lookin' good

    Ex-lawmaker charged with funding terrorism
    January 17, 2008


    A former Republican congressman from west Michigan was indicted Wednesday on federal charges of money laundering, conspiracy and obstruction of justice in a scheme to help an Islamic charity funnel money to terrorists linked to Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

    Mark Siljander, 56, also a former state legislator from St. Joseph County, was hired by the Islamic American Relief Agency of Columbia, Mo., in 2004 to lobby for the group's removal from a U.S. Senate list of terrorist-linked charities, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

  9. The indictment alleges the charity sent about $1.5 million to organizations in Pakistan and Sudan that were fronts for terrorists.

    It accuses Siljander of twice making false statements to federal agents by claiming he had not been hired to lobby for the Islamic charity and that his pay came from donations intended to finance a book he was writing about bridging the gap between Islam and Christianity.

    In all, the indictment charges Siljander and five codefendants with 42 federal crimes. It said their effort provided at least $130,000 to a Pakistani orphanage run by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, whom the Justice Department described as a "specially designated global terrorist ... Afghan mujahideen leader" who has "vowed to engage in a holy war against the United States."

  10. Siljander rose to fame as an advocate for Christian conservatives in the 1980s but lost his House re-election bid in the primary after likening his opponent to Satan. Rep. Fred Upton has held the seat ever since.

    West Bloomfield attorney and blogger Debbie Schlussel worked as an aide to Siljander in 1985-86 and said Wednesday she was shocked about the nature of the indictment.

    She said Siljander was "the last person on Earth I thought would be involved with Islamic terrorists." He was the "most pro-Israel congressman on Capitol Hill" and was "very much aware of the threat of Islamic terrorism decades before 9/11."

  11. You did see my link in the previous thread?
    (gotta keep the books up to date for the IRS audit to come)

  12. Gawd, if you're skipping my posts, I'll be DEVASTATED.

  13. Yeah, I saw that, another of those Mormons, if it's all about the religion of the politicos.

    His family, cattle ranchers, on Federal or State owned ground. Welfare ranchers some call it.
    The F Bar Cattle Company is also an International Operation:

    Together, they expanded it into one of the most successful cattle operations in the Southwest United States�owning or leasing ranches and marketing bulls and heifers throughout the Southwest and Mexico.

    But then again, most all the ranches are on Federal land. Most have been shut down, due to drought and a lack of grass.

    Takes decades for the grass to recover, the land management Feds say.

    On a State level, the land must be leased to the highest bidder, now that the enviormentalists are bidding, to take the cattle off the land, out of production. The Flake family objects, with some cause, as the enviormentalists do not maintain the water retention ponds, that the other animals also use.

    But to Jake Flake (R), speaker of the Arizona House of Representatives, groups such as Forest Guardians simply "cherry-pick the best parts of the land, and outbid the ranchers." He says that the public often "don't recognize the importance of cattle ranchers as stewards of the land. When cattle are removed, the land starts deteriorating."

    Those fellows not used to bidding competition against folk that not need to make money off the leases.

    Highest and best use, that is not what the law demands, just the highest amount of cash money. For the schools, the children. The ranchers had the low lease rates for years, now they're a little pissed.

    Range ranching is about a dead horse.

  14. The enviormentalists, disagree with the idea that they are not better stewards of the land, claiming that they do improve the rioarian areas

    One day John Horning, director of the Forest Guardians, surveyed what was once a lush 162-acre stretch of state-owned land along Arizona's Babocomari River and saw, instead, a virtual "moonscape." Over time a herd of cows had "just grazed it to the bone," Horning says. The Babocomari is one of the few rivers snaking through the Sonoran Desert in southern Arizona, and Horning is of the mind that cattle, which trample the banks, eat the plants, and foul the water, don't belong anywhere near it. After six years of battling the Arizona State Land Department in court, Horning has finally gotten his way. Last May the Forest Guardians won the right to lease this ailing little patch, and when the group takes full control, it will give the cows the boot.

    Compared to the 59,115 state-controlled acres being grazed in Santa Cruz County, 162 acres is admittedly a speck, but Horning's court victory is nonetheless a landmark event. Since 1915 Arizona's land agency has awarded leases almost exclusively to one group: ranchers. When the Forest Guardians bid on a parcel in 1997, the agency refused even to consider the offer. That policy, argues Horning, was not only ruining desert lands but violating Arizona's constitution, which requires state leases to generate maximum revenue for the state education fund. In 2001 Arizona's Supreme Court agreed and ruled in favor of the group, which promptly offered $2,000 a year for the Babocomari parcel, almost twice the amount bid by a local rancher.

    Just as it has done on New Mexico lands, the Forest Guardians will rebuild banks, replant cottonwoods, and open the area to educational tours -- all to publicize "backward state policies" that favor cattle grazing at the expense of healthy ecosystems says Horning.

    Arizona House Speaker Franklin "Jake" Flake, a fourth-generation rancher, is not happy about this turn of events. Flake complains that environmentalists will simply "cherry-pick the best parts of the land" -- a claim Horning doesn't deny. "We're focused on getting the biggest biological gain for our buck," he says of his "unranching" strategy. That usually means trying to buy riparian areas containing wetlands -- which constitute less than one percent of the Southwest's lands but support 75 to 80 percent of the region's fish and wildlife.
    -- Tim Vanderpool

  15. The mention of Libya and "terrorist leader Muammar Qaddafi".

    Libya deports illegal migrants
    afrol News, 17 January - Libyan has began the deportation of close to two million illegal migrants that used the North African country to sail through Europe in search of greener pastures.

    The deportation started with the authorities' immediate gathering of all foreigners illegally residing in Libya without exception.

    Libyan authorities said illegal immigrants have not only become a burden on their country's economy, but they also pose threats to security, as most of the migrants remain unemployed.

    The migrants' only wish is to get to Europe through thick and thin. And in many cases, it turns to be a journey of no return for most of them, for they perish at sea.

    The government had instructed housing officials to demolish everything that illegal migrants use as hideouts during police raid in the suburbs of the capital Tripoli and other cities.

    Libya's action would be welcome by the European Union member states, particularly Italy and Malta, that had persistently done all that they could to halt the high influx of illegal migrants to their countries.

    Human rights organisations said the deportation violates both national and international laws, fearing that the deportees might be prosecuted upon return to their countries.

    Which is in part the policy, deportation of WOPs, promoted by some GOP Presidential hopefuls in the US. This Policy is considered in violation of International Law, by some.

    Libya would be violating international law if it goes ahead with plans to deport an estimated 1million illegal immigrants, Human Rights Watch says.

    On the other hand, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. Libya off the sponsor of terrorism list.
    May. 15, 2006
    WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Monday it will restore normal diplomatic relations with Libya for the first time in over a quarter century after deciding to remove Moammar Gadhafi's country from a list of state sponsors of terrorism.

    "We are taking these actions in recognition of Libya's continued commitment to its renunciation of terrorism and the excellent cooperation Libya has provided to the United States and other members of the international community in response to common global threats faced by the civilized world since September 11, 2001," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a statement.

    One wonders why.

    Libya ordered to pay billions to US victims of 1989 bombing

    20 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US judge has ordered Libya and six intelligence officials to pay billions of dollars in damages to relatives of Americans killed in the 1989 suitcase bombing of a French airliner over Niger.

    US District Court Judge Henry Kennedy on Tuesday awarded more than six billion dollars (4.06 billion euros) to the estates of seven US victims, 44 immediate family members and the US firm that owned the DC-10 jet, court documents show.

    "Plaintiffs here have established through their undisputed testimony that they suffered economic losses as well as severe pain and suffering and mental anguish during the eighteen years since Libya intentionally and maliciously murdered the passengers on board UTA Flight 772," Kennedy wrote in a memorandum detailing the awards.

    Team43 has decided "terrorist leader Muammar Qaddafi" is not a terrorist leader but an up standing member of the International Community.

    Let's learn to respect the decisions of our Government, especially in Foreign Policy.
    Partisanship should end at the oceans' shore. We should speak with one voice, which in this case, is Ms Rice.

    "... the excellent cooperation Libya has provided to the United States and other members of the international community in response to common global threats faced by the civilized world since September 11, 2001 "

    Another ally we have in the Islamic Arc!

  16. U.S. embassy staff members were withdrawn from Tripoli after a mob attacked and set fire to the embassy in December 1979. The U.S. government declared Libya a "state sponsor of terrorism" on December 29, 1979. But their embassy in DC not closed and its' representitives deported until May, 1981

    The State Dept invalidated US passports for travel to Libya in December 1981, but there was no legal travel ban instituted. (wiki)

    It was not until 1981 that economic sanctions began to be implemented against Libya. Oil imports not sanctioned until 1982,
    in March of 1984 the export sanctions were extended.

    Jeremiah Wright traveled to Libya in 1984.

    In April 1985, all Export-Import Bank financing was prohibited.

    The United States adopted additional economic sanctions against Libya in January 1986, including a total ban on direct import and export trade, commercial contracts, and travel-related activities. In addition, Libyan government assets in the United States were frozen.

    That "state sponsor of terrorism" designation being withdrawn by the US in 2006.

    most info from wiki

  17. Would I be welcomed in Obama's church? If so, how comfortable would I feel?

    Ottawa Citizen Says Canada Has Gone To Hell Kafkaesque, I believe, is the term.

  18. Richard Knerr Dies Bet you don't know who he was. Would make a good political consultant in days like these, maybe.

  19. Strike that last.

    Bishop Usser had declared the previous century that the earth was formed by the creator on October. 26, 4004 BC

  20. 4004 + 2008 = 6012 years, Mat.

    The Creation occurred on a Monday, it is thought.

  21. So those folk alive before then, they were not in the race?

    Were they still in the garage?
    The pre-race prep work was pretty extensive, aye?

    Maybe those that came before, were just angels, or aliens?

  22. Clovis not being all that far from Roswell.

  23. Dr. Al Goodyear, who conducts research through the University of South Carolina's S.C. Institute of Anthropology and Archaeology, began excavating Clovis artifacts along the Savannah River in Allendale County in 1984. In 1998, with the hope of finding evidence of a pre-Clovis culture earlier than the accepted 13,100 years, Goodyear began a concerted digging effort on a site called Topper, located on the property of the Clariant Co.

    His efforts paid off. Goodyear unearthed blades made of flint and chert that he believed to be the tools of an ice age culture back some 16,000 years or more. His findings, as well as similar ones yielded at other pre-Clovis sites in North America, sparked great change and debate in the scientific community.

    Believing that if Clovis and Redstone people thrived near the banks of the Savannah River, Goodyear thought the area could haven been an ideal location for a more ancient culture. Acting on a hunch in 2004, Goodyear dug even deeper down into the Pleistocene Terrace and found more artifacts of a pre-Clovis type buried in a layer of sediment stained with charcoal deposits. Radio carbon dates of the burnt plant remains yielded dates of 50,000 years, which suggested man was in South Carolina long before the last ice age. Goodyear's finding not only captured international media attention, but it has put the archaeology field in flux, opening scientific minds to the possibility of an even earlier pre-Clovis occupation of the Americas.

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  25. Inception date: -6012

    How long do we have to live?

  26. What's a human? Was homo habilis a human? Is Dennis Kucinich a human?

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  28. I've read that before, somewhere, 2012.

    The End of an Age
    and then a New Beginning.

  29. Who qualifies as "we"?

    Which Tribe are the human beings?
    Which Tribes are the aliens?

    Where does one get the proper identity papers?

  30. Or four score and ten, whichever comes first.

  31. You get the identity papers from HomeLand Security, of course.

  32. Who qualifies as "we"?

    If you are in my Tribe, you do.

  33. 2012.

    Our solar system crosses the galactic equator from the north to the south.

    Happens once every 13,000 years or so.

    End of the Age of Pisces and on to the Age of Aquarius or some such.

    All sorts of Astrological significance to it.

    End Times? I doubt it. Seems the earth made it through the other 100,000 or so times this has happened.

  34. dRat,

    Will using a proxy server save me ars?

  35. And you know what Homo erectus erectus is---------------------

    Homo erectus (Latin: "upright man") is an extinct species of the genus Homo. Dutch anatomist Eugene Dubois (1890s) first described it as Pithecanthropus erectus, based on a calotte (skullcap) and a modern-looking femur found from the bank of the Solo River at Trinil, in central Java. However, thanks to Canadian anatomist Davidson Black's (1921) initial description of a lower molar, which was dubbed Sinanthropus pekinensis, most of the early and spectacular discoveries of this taxon took place at Zhoukoudian in China. German anatomist Franz Weidenreich provided much of the detailed description of this material in several monographs published in the journal Palaeontologica Sinica (Series D). However, nearly all of the original specimens were lost during World War II. High quality Weidenreichian casts do exist and are considered to be reliable evidence; these are curated at the American Museum of Natural History (NYC) and at the Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology (Beijing).

    Throughout much of the 20th century, anthropologists debated the role of H. erectus in human evolution. Early in the century, due to discoveries on Java and at Zhoukoudian, it was believed that modern humans first evolved in Asia. This contradicted Charles Darwin's idea of African human origin. However, during the 1950s and 1970s, numerous fossil finds from East Africa (Kenya) yielded evidence that the oldest hominins originated there. It is now believed that H. erectus is a descendant of earlier hominins such as Australopithecus and early Homo species (e.g., H. habilis), although new findings in 2007 suggest that H. habilis and H. erectus coexisted and may be separate lineages from a common ancestor.[1]

    H. erectus originally migrated from Africa during the Early Pleistocene, possibly as a result of the operation of the Saharan pump, around 2.0 million years ago, and dispersed throughout most of the Old World, reaching as far as Southeast Asia.

    Fossilized remains 1.8 and 1.0 million years old have been found in Africa (e.g., Lake Turkana and Olduvai Gorge), Europe (Georgia, Spain), Indonesia (e.g., Sangiran and Trinil), Vietnam, and China (e.g., Shaanxi). H. erectus is an important hominin because it is believed to have been the first to leave Africa. However, some scholars believe that H. erectus is not the direct ancestor of modern H. sapiens.

    A homo erectus skull, Tchadanthropus uxoris, discovered in 1961, is the partial skull of the first early hominid till then discovered in Central Africa, found in Chad during an expedition led by the anthropologist Yves Coppens.[2] While some then thought it was a variety of the Homo habilis,[3] the Tchadanthropus uxoris is no longer considered to be a separate species, and scholars consider it to be Homo erectus,[2][4] and it is even argued that the skull is just a modern human, Homo sapiens sapiens, weathered by the elements to look like an australopithecine skull.[5]

  36. Gottdamerung it, this conversation is giving me the willy willys.

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  38. You started it by calling habilis a homo, AlBob.

  39. I'm a direct descendent of the Erectus Clan.
    Once the Women find us, the other homos don't have a chance.

  40. Will using a proxy server save me ars?

    Only if you're Irish, otherwise serves your ars right.

  41. Exactly, bro d-day
    An End of an Age
    a New Beginning

    Time reborn, that 2012 winter Solstice

    So, the young Swede sends my kid a link to to see a two hour movie.
    "Zeitgeist". So at least now I know where she's getting these crazy ideas.

    Christ being just another in a long list of Son Gods, or Sun Gods, depending upn the spelling.

    Prescott Bush funding the NAZI through the Union Banking Corporation.

    Standard Oil selling IG Farben the $20 million in fuel the Germans needed to blitz London.

    Explosions and melted metal at World Trade Center Seven, not even associated with an airliner strike. First she asked me if a diesel fuel fire could melt metal.
    Not without a furnace, I tell her.
    Ahhh... she says
    To bad we have a copy of the 9-11 Commision report, she's going to cross reference the movie's claims.

    mat could be right, the days of the imperial republic could be numbered, but I doubt it.

    As to your arse, mat. How would I know what it'll take to yours or mine?

    An interesting flim, that "Zeitgeist". Enough truth to be with six degrees of seperation.

    If you're interested in that sort of stuff, the Chrisianity as a revised form of paganism for the political purposes of Empire references are entertaining.

  42. I thought you were a direct ascendent of the erectus clan.

  43. Homo erectus had a hard life.

  44. Yeah, but somebody's gotta do it.

  45. You keep you daughter away from those swedes, Rat. I know those people.

  46. Chemically induced erectus, via Viagra, puts a whole other lap or two on the race.

  47. They wear helmuts made of Emeralds Raid and rape, is all they know.

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  49. Trouble is, bob, if I wasn't her father, she'd look as good as those Swedish girls in mats' link, yesterday.

    Just a couple years shy.

    If I have to choose 'tween the Swedes, English or Mexicans, I'll go with the Swedes. At least it's already in her geneology pool.
    Though she would be the best lookin' girl in England, judging by those pictures.

  50. Somebody ought to whisper the word Siljander in the woman's ear.

    A little swedish blood goes a long ways, Rat.:)

  51. Here's the ticket I fear. Clinton/Obama.


  52. LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - A federal judge on Thursday allowed Nevada Democrats to hold presidential voting in casino hotels on the Las Vegas Strip, potentially helping Sen. Barack Obama in the next round of the campaign on Saturday.

    For the first time, Nevada Democrats planned to set up nine locations for Saturday's vote so casino shift workers, who are largely represented by a union that endorsed Obama, could attend caucuses and vote for a presidential candidate.

    A teachers' group filed a lawsuit saying the fact that only workers around the casinos could vote at their workplaces was unfair, but Judge James Mahan of the U.S. District Court for Nevada rejected their request for an injunction.

    "The Democrats can set up their own rules just as the Republicans can," the judge said. "It is not up to some federal judge to come along and say, I don't like that."

  53. Boy, I hope that the news of the US moving forward to use ethanol from Brazil didn't drive rufus over the edge.

    It was just a little more of the same from boys in DC.
    Another emotional investment gone bust.

    But fear not, these are the head to heads from RCP:
    Hotline Head-to-Heads
    McCain 47, Clinton 43
    Clinton 49, Romney 37
    Obama 41, McCain 39
    Obama 56, Romney 26

    Don't even have Fred or Rudy on the main page. Just wait until after Florida votes, just wait...

  54. I haven't jumped, yet, Rat. Schumer's had more brainstorms not get adopted than than be accepted.

    I war reading THIS, today.

  55. Makes sense, we've been making pellets and cubes out of alfalfa for years

  56. pelletize fuel technologies are not that new, wood pellet stoves are popular.
    and wood types available

  57. Seal of Temech family found, dating back to around the Babylonian Captivity.
    The Babylonian god Sin has etymological relationship to the Sin in Mt. Sinai, I think.

  58. DR

    Saw the Zeitgeist thing too. First half was very interesting. Got me reading all sorts of stuff, and I have to say - even with it being an Alex Jones thing - it is fascinating.

    The 9-11 truther stuff is just damned bizarre. Was waiting for the picture of satan in the WTC smoke to show up, and was disappointed he was not.

    If you're going to go moonbat, you gotta go all the way.

  59. Don't forget the corn cob stoves too, fellas.

    Those are pretty trick.

  60. Mt Sinai is not in the Sinai but in the Negev. That's why Mt Sinai is also called Mt Horev. The etymology of Mt Horev is very clear. Horev in Hebrew means desolation or desolate. It means that Mt Horev is a desolate mountain. It stands alone. It is not part of a group of mountains.

  61. Is that the mountain that the "Naked Archaeologist", Simcha Jacobovici, selected as the "real" Mt Sinai?

    Where is Mount Sinai?
    For thousands of years people have wondered which peak in the Sinai Peninsula is the legendary mountain where Moses is supposed to have received the 10 commandments. Our investigation demonstrates that the mountain where Popes and tourists trek to is not Mt. Sinai. Using the Bible and archaeology as guides, we identify the only mountain that fits all the Biblical criteria.

    I do not recall the name of the mountain, but it is south of Judeah, not in the Sinai of today.

    Fellow does interesting television.

  62. According to Hasidic tradition, the name of Sinai derives from sin-ah, meaning hatred, in reference to the other nations hating the Jews out of jealousy, due to the Jews being the ones to receive the divine laws[12]. However, according to biblical scholars, Sinai is most likely to derive from the name of Sin, the semitic lunar deity.[13][14][15] Horeb is thought to mean Glowing/Heat;[16] this seems to be a reference to the sun, and thus Sinai and Horeb would be the mountain of the moon and sun, respectively.[17][18] According to textual scholars, the name Sinai is only used in the Torah by the Jahwist and Priestly Source, whereas Horeb is only used by the Elohist and Deuteronomist.
    What the truth of all this is I don't know.

  63. Although Iran is off the headlines, they still exist. Rational, Well Argued, Cogent

  64. The Promise

    Destiny can be changed
    Time sometimes flows backwards
    Snow can fall in the Spring
    And even the frozen heart can come back to life..

  65. Bob,

    Wiki is wrong. It's Horev not Horeb. Horev means desolate. (It can also mean destroyed, or the remnant of that which was destroyed).

  66. dRat,

    What does a mountain look like when it is no longer a mountain?

  67. Equal Protection Under The Law, Norwegian Style


    'the mountain beomes the valley, and is still...'

    nite, Mat.

  68. What does the sea look like when it's empty, or a desert without sand, what drives a storm with out wind, or a dog sound like without a bark, what's a human being with empathy?

  69. In answer to the question:

    G'nite, Bob.