“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” - George W. Bush

All The Best


I want to thank everyone who participated in the Elephant Bar over the past twelve years. We had millions of visitors from all around the World and you were part of it. Over the past dozen years, two or three times a night, I would open my laptop and some of you were always there. I will miss that.

My plans are to continue my work with technology and architecture. You know my interests and thoughts.

At times, things would get a little rough in the EB. To those of you that I may have offended over the years, I apologize. From all of you, I learned and grew.

An elephant never forgets.
Be well.

Deuce, 21 June 2018

Thursday, July 21, 2016

An astonishing new poll of likely voters in Ohio, a key swing state in November’s election, shows Trump is in an absolute dead heat with Hillary Clinton here, at 44% each.

CLEVELAND (MarketWatch) — Yes, Donald Trump has had a terrible convention so far. But if you think that rules him out completely, think again.
An astonishing new poll of likely voters in Ohio, a key swing state in November’s election, shows Trump is in an absolute dead heat with Hillary Clinton here, at 44% each.
The so-called internals, or fine print, support the top-line message. Similar numbers of voters say they are moved by negatives as well as positives. Both candidates have similar “unfavorables,” and both face similar numbers of “no way, no how” responses as well.
The polls were conducted on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday of this week. So they included the poor start to the convention in Cleveland for Trump, but did not reflect any fallout from the Ted Cruz row — nor from Trump’s stunning interview with the New York Times, in which he appeared ready to abandon NATO allies.
There is no serious dispute that this has been a really bad convention for Trump. It will probably give him no bounce at all. And, more importantly, it has exposed a Trump campaign that is inept and incompetent at the highest levels. So it’s hard to see why the betting markets would still give him a one-in-three chance of winning in November.

However, as the latest poll shows, this election is far from a done deal. Conventions aren’t everything. Mike Dukakis coordinated a brilliant Democratic convention in 1988, giving him a 17 point lead, and then went on to totally blow the election. There are few instances, if any, of it happening the other way round, someone coming back to win after a terrible convention, but it can’t be ruled out either.


  1. Hillary is spending untold dollar on ads here in ohio and yet trump is neck and neck.

    Well maybe it's a told number...

    Ad Spending Update: Clinton Outspends Trump $57M to $4M
    Hillary Clinton and her allies continue to outspend Donald Trump and his backers over the airwaves by a 15-to-1 margin, according to ad-spending data from SMG Delta.

    Team Clinton has spent $57 million on ads so far in the general election -- $25 million coming from the campaign and another $32 million from pro-Clinton Super PACs.

    By comparison, Team Trump has aired $3.6 million in ads, with all of the spending from two outside groups, the National Rifle Association ($2.3 million) and Rebuilding America Now ($1.3 million). The Trump campaign has yet to spend a single cent on ads so far in the general election.

    Last week, the totals were $45 million for Team Clinton, versus $2.8 million for Team Trump.

    1. Clinton is stronger on the "Get Money Out OF Politics" issue. (And Transparency)

      Rufus will explain.

  2. Anyone but Hillary on the D side of things would beat Trump. Sanders would have beat Trump but Clinton? I don’t think so.

    She turns the old cliche on its head to become:

    “Better the devil we don’t know, than the one we do.”

  3. Current leader in today's EB Dumbshit Comment of the Day contest:


    galopn2Thu Jul 21, 03:08:00 PM EDT

    Claire McCaskill ‏@clairecmc

    Second question,how can you claim to be great negotiator if you can't negotiate endorsement from a speaker YOU invite to YOUR convention?

    The day is still young though.

    Trump knew and wanted Lyin' Ted to behave as he did, thinking thereby that Ted would be taking himself out of any further consideration in the future, 2020 coming immediately to mind.

    I am finding it hard now to find much fault with Lyin' Ted on this.....The Buffoon having insinuated about his father and Lee Harvey Oswald, and dissing Lyin' Ted's wife....

    (in the general, vote Buffoon over Criminal)

    1. Jonah Goldberg: After all of Trump’s insults, Ted Cruz is the unsportsmanlike one?

      I Choose Ted

      by Jonah Goldberg July 21, 2016 9:16 AM @JonahNRO

      I find it nothing short of hilarious how so many seasoned political journalists (including many of my colleagues — and betters — at Fox) are visibly shocked and appalled by what Cruz did last night. Ever since I was a kid, the political press — left, right and center — has whined that there’s no drama at conventions any more. It’s all scripted. It’s just an infomercial. It’s just such a shame.

      Well here comes Ted Cruz providing exactly the sort of drama they yearned for and many of these same voices are aghast at Ted Cruz’s effrontery. The word has gone out across the land: This is an outrage! Not since Caligula appointed his horse to the Roman senate has a political figure showed such contempt for decorum and the solemnity of politics! Last night and this morning, across the news channels, I’ve watched many people I respect -– and a great many more I don’t — talk about what a sore loser Cruz is. There are two things to say about that....

      Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438159/i-choose-ted

    2. (The day is still young though.....and not to forget the SMIRK'n'QUIRK TWINS are in the Bar this day....)

    3. Goldberg is permanently off the rails.

    4. On March 16, 2011, McCaskill told reporters that she was "embarrassed" about revelations that her office had used taxpayer money for the senator's use of a private airplane she co-owned with her husband and friends. According to a government audit, the plane was used for 90 flights taken between Washington, D.C., and her home in suburban St. Louis, as well as to numerous sites around the state of Missouri.

      As soon as the story broke, Senator McCaskill sent a check for $88,000 to the U.S. Treasury as reimbursement for the flights.[

      On March 21, 2011, Politico reported that McCaskill had failed to pay more than $280,000 in property taxes on the plane and was planning to sell it.

      “I have convinced my husband to sell the damn plane”, McCaskill said on a conference call with reporters. “I will never set foot on the plane again”

  4. Doug deconstructs Ash's claim that Florida cops used excessive force:


  5. The shooting by that cop of the care provider of the disability kid was egregious, as they say.

    From what I know right now that cop was clearly in the wrong, and ought to face the music and music maker.

    1. Read the rest of the story and watch the video at the link I provided.
      The other guy was using a truck bomb as a weapon.

    2. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html

      Looks pretty damned clear to me so I assume you are spoofing.

  6. The "Problem" is: If you add in Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, it becomes Clinton +4.

    see question #22

    1. You ought to vote Libertarian. Hillary doesn't seem to need your help, and the Libertarians want to legalize all the killer drugs in the country - not 'just' marijuana - just as you do.

      You'll be doing your part to increase employment in the country too....somebody will have to pick all the dead bodies up off the sidewalks, streets, and from the parks.

    2. Wrong, again, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.

      The model is Portugal.

      Why hardly anyone dies from a drug overdose in Portugal.
      Portugal decriminalized the use of all drugs in 2001.

      Weed, cocaine, heroin, you name it -- Portugal decided to treat possession and use of small quantities of these drugs as a public health issue, not a criminal one. The drugs were still illegal, of course.


      Learn to do a little research, Robert, if you did, you would not be so easily confused.

    3. yeah do a little research and find out Rat is wrong as usual.

      Despite getting all the credit, however, most experts can agree that decriminalization isn’t what solved Portugal’s heroin problem; rather, it was the renewed emphasis on health. The tide changed once Portuguese authorities decided to view drug addiction as a health and social issue, rather than a criminal problem.


    4. The drugs aren't legal, as Rufus has proposed.

      But it's not a criminal matter any longer, at least for small amounts.

      Even this is not working well.

      Dead Beat Dad....wrong as usual.

    5. No one dying on the street, Robert "Draft dodger" Peterson...

      The facts do deny your meme.

      As is the norm.

  7. That said, Ohio is, right now, a stone cold toss-up.

    Unfortunately for Trump, several of the other swing-states that he needs aren't.

    538 Forecast

    1. Oh yeah, the guy that's been wrong on Trump 9 times so far.

  8. Jerks like Kasich, Cruz, Bush and the rest make it perfectly clear why anyone with any sense will not support establishment politicians.
    "I (name) affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is.
    I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party.

    On March 12, three days before the Florida primary, Cruz said he would support the nominee although he had criticized Trump saying that he "affirmatively encourages violence."

    "I committed at the outset, I will support the Republican nominee, whoever it is." Cruz told reporters at a suburban St. Louis high school

    A day later, he made a similar comment to MSNBC’s Chuck Todd:

    Todd: "You've said some tough things on Trump. Why are you comfortable supporting him as the nominee if he ends up the nominee."

    Cruz: "Well, listen, I pledged at the outset I will support the Republican nominee, whoever it is ... when I give my word for something, I follow through and do what I said."


  9. I'd classify that Marketwatch article Deuce linked "Overwrought," verging on hysterical.

  10. Daham Al Hasan fled from Syria to Denmark, leaving behind his three
    wives and 20 children. Under the Danish rules of family unification, one
    of his wives and eight of his children have joined him in Denmark. But
    Al Hasan wants all his children with him, as well as all his wives.

    Lawyers estimate that the remaining wives will be able to join their
    children in Denmark. The case has caused a shock not only because of
    what it will cost the Danish state just in child allowance, but because
    Al Hassan claims that he is too ill to work or even learn Danish.

    "I don't only have mental problems, but also physical problems..." He has
    admitted that his "mental illness" consists of missing the children he
    voluntarily left behind.


    1. Hillary, Obama, and Rufus want MORE "Refugees" !

    2. This comment has been removed by the author.

    3. I'm glad he's no longer defaming his ancestor's name on this forum.

  11. If you go to any of the tracking polls Like This One,

    which is, admittedly, a couple of points skewed toward the Democrat,

    you'll find that it was the Dallas Police Shooting that really knocked a hole in Hillary's lead. Folks really don't like seeing Cops killed.

    And, it wasn't a "white/non-white" thing. The race tightened dramatically across All Demographics.

    1. Hillary doubled down and supports BLM and etc.


      ...and honorable.


    2. You do not support the Bureau of Land Management, Doug?

      Have you migrated to being a Bundy insurrectionist?

  12. sukietawdry

    "If Hillary is elected and permitted to go her way, game over. The Constitution as intended and written will cease to exist. Law enforcement will become nationalized. Ditto health care. Taxes will become confiscatory. Wealth, business and industry will flee to friendlier shores. Bond default will become the rule rather than the exception. Our IRAs and private pensions will be subject to government raids. Our cities will continue to deteriorate as will our schools. The middle class will continue to shrink and more and more of us will become dependent on government. We will be fundamentally transformed. If Hillary is elected, we should start a pool. The person who correctly guesses the date and time we finally will run out of other people's money gets to turn out the lights.

    I have not a clue what will happen if Donald Trump is elected. Seriously, not a clue."

    Which should we choose, suicide or the unknown?



  13. Only one candidate in the history of the Republic (maybe, the history of Any Republic) has suggested that he would Run Up the Debt, and then Default.

    Anyone care to guess which candidate did that?

    1. It wasn't Trump -


      Might have been Hillary.

      She's good at stealing things, and stiffing anyone around.

      Not Quirk.

      He is still claiming he is not a candidate, though write in campaigns are being launched all round the USA on his behalf.

    2. Maybe it was Candidate Rufus.

      He has defaulted on the losing gambling bets he made with me, and will surely die in default on them.

    3. Bob Thu May 27, 12:52:00 AM EDT

      But I did rip off the bank for $7500 hundred dollars, when I was on my knees, and fighting for my economic life, on my aunt's credit card. But that wasn't really stealing, just payback. ...

    4. So did, and will, Dead Beat Dad, come to think on it.

    5. Beyond default, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, you defrauded the bank, stole your Aunt's honor, then institutionalized her, to avoid the consequences of your actions.

      You are still on the "Highway to Hell", Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.

    6. No contractual relationship with the bank at all DBD.

      You, on the other hand, actually owe me some money.

      You are nauseating the place once again with the stench of death you always bring with you.


      Cheers to the rest of you....

      Was about ready to head into the Casino anyway.

      Someone was asking you the other day, Dead Beat Dad, why so many here call you Dead Beat Dad.

      Don't know if you answered or not, but you really should.

      You might add that the majority here has tried to diagnose your obvious mental 'difficulties' in the hopes of getting you to accept some help.

      You need help.

      Go get it.

      Cheers !

    7. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson now says that ripping off the bank was okay, because HE did not have a contractual obligation.

      Failing to tell us that he was running his Aunt's credit card ...
      That's identity theft, right, "Draft Dodger", it amounts to fraud.

      Bob Thu May 27, 12:52:00 AM EDT

      But I did rip off the bank for $7500 hundred dollars, when I was on my knees, and fighting for my economic life, on my aunt's credit card. ...

      No, you are wrong, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, it WAS really stealing.

  14. REAL AMERICAN GENTLEMEN don't default on their gambling debts.

    1. And they pay child support.

  15. "I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on Jan. 20, 2017, safety will be restored.…"


    Reminds me of some of the Sci Fi Thrillers I watched as a kid.

  16. It is a very unsatisfactory choice. More of the dismal same from Clinton or a flying leap into the unknown with Trump?

    There is no chance of greatness with Clinton. Trump could be great for infrastructure and better business management of government.

    Clinton is a repeat offender in disastrous choices in foreign affairs.

    1. If Trump runs America like he's run the convention then prepare for nepotism fueled mediocrity.

    2. Nepotism can be a virtue if the relatives are talented....

    3. sukietawdry

      Obama didn't get to replace four Supreme Court justices, two of them conservative. He replaced two liberals with two other liberals. No change.

      If Thomas retires, and there's plenty of noise out there that he wants to, Hillary will replace two conservatives, one liberal and most likely a second liberal.

      Like I said, game over. Obama will not be around when Obamacare finally and utterly fails and will need to be replaced. Hillary has always favored universal health care.

      Obama will not be around when the next recession hits and the Fed doesn't have the usual option of lowering rates and Hillary goes all Keynesian driving us ever deeper into debt. Of course, Obama could have accomplished all this himself if he only had had enough time.

    4. Why not have the Fed pay US interest on our debt when the next recession hits?

      Real Estate across the nation will be like San Francisco, and we'll all get paid for the life of luxury.

    5. The interest on your Tesla loan will pay your electric bill.

  17. I'm fed up with the Clinton Family and its corruption, cronyism, and crime !

    Lock her up !! Lock them up !!

    I'm tired of her foreign policy disasters !!!

    ENOUGH !

    Time for a REAL CHANGE !!

    The Donald !!!

    1. (ho ho ho thump thump thump)

    2. The 'Princess' of The Average All American Family, Ivanka, up next....


    3. Hillary and Bill Clinton's Story of Money-Grubbing and Sleaze

      A review of Clinton Cash, the movie.

      8:45 AM, Jul 21, 2016 | By Fred Barnes


      The book Clinton Cash was on the New York Times bestseller list for 12 weeks last year and sold roughly 200,000 copies. It tells the story of how Bill and Hillary Clinton made an estimated $229,319,855 between the time they left the White House in 2001 and 2014. That includes fees of more than $500,000 that Bill Clinton received for 11 speeches while she was secretary of state from 2001 to 2005.

      It’s a powerful story of money-grubbing and sleaze. And now it's been made into a 65-minute, impeccably researched documentary narrated by Peter Schweizer, the book's author....


      Lock 'em all up !

      These Criminals even stole the White Silver Set....

    4. The Trumps won't do that.

      Silver is so petty bourgeoisie....

    5. White House Silver Set, dammit

      I'm overly excited to see Ivanka soon....

    6. 'Bernie or Bust' Backers Flock to Philly....DRUDGE

  18. Why not a last minute switch so Ivanka becomes the first female POTUS, with Donald as her Media Manipulator?

    1. ...and the first Jewish First Husband.

  19. Two fine speeches by Peter Theil and Tom Barrack, entrepreneurs and businessmen. I have never heard two speeches from non-politicians as effective and as impressive as what I just watched.

    1. Theil's pretty dreamy as well as being rich.

      Too bad he's not black, Milo could be his man.

    2. I'm not asking who this Milo character is, though I see his name all around....

      IVANKA IS ON !!!!

  20. Replies
    1. (if only we marry vision and passion with an enduring work ethic)


    2. Not until you get your mind right about Cruz:

      It was awful to make fun of Heidi, but just fine to circulate racy pictures of Melania?

      ...which the Cruz Crew did BEFORE the Heidi Tweets.

    3. Don Trump Jr: 'Cruz plays the angel & that's not the case; people see through him'

    4. ...takes a big English Major.

    5. Had forgotten the Melania pics.

      Trump is doing wonderfully well with his speech.

  21. America First (for a change).

  22. If anyone expected Trump to not be Trump, they were wrong

  23. Garry Kasparov ✔ @Kasparov63

    I’ve heard this sort of speech a lot in the last 15 years and trust me, it doesn’t sound any better in Russian.
    10:15 PM - 21 Jul 2016

    1. Perhaps, but Garry doesn't like the Democrats.

      He knows where Hillary's 'socialism' will lead.

      He's been there.

      And he knows what Venezuela, say, is all about.

      After what he's been through, he probably just wants some peace and quiet.

    2. Actually, it probably sounds a lot worse in Russian.

    3. Kasparov couldn't write the Checkers Speech.

  24. Notice how Rat qualifies Bob's statement to fit his fiction?

    Idaho BobThu Jul 21, 06:00:00 PM EDT
    You'll be doing your part to increase employment in the country too....somebody will have to pick all the dead bodies up off the sidewalks, streets, and from the parks.

    Rat/Jack says: Jack HawkinsThu Jul 21, 07:14:00 PM EDT
    No one dying on the street, Robert "Draft dodger" Peterson...

    Notice how Rat/Jack edits Bob's words?

    "dead bodies up off the sidewalks, streets, and from the parks." turns into "No one dying on the street"

    Once again Rat/Jack shows how is misleads and distorts.

    1. To hell with rat.

      I'm feeling good about things.

      rat can go slink back into his hole in the wall.

      I thought Trump did really well.

    2. Wish you could maintain a meme, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson ...

      bobal Mon Sep 01, 05:20:00 PM EDT
      Rat's a gentleman.

      With his own way of thinking about things.

      Habu has his own way of thinking about things too, but is so corrosive, that after a while you don't want to read him anymore.

      While with Rat, you are always eager to hear what he has to say.


  25. The only button of mine he didn't hit was the National Forests.

    But, he's forgiven.

    It not being an issue right now.


    Balloon Time !!!!

    Quirk's in Heaven !

    1. America's Mayor:

      "Best acceptance speech I've ever seen."

  26. I didn't watch, but I'll put Over/Under on the number of outright lies, counted, at 50. We'll see.

    1. Suck it up.

      It was wonderful.

      Even you realize it.

      Cheers !

  27. It comes down to two people, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Which candidate captures the mood of the people and which offers the most of what people think that they are looking for.

    The media, pundits and insiders have been wrong all year. If the Democratic party had not rigged the election process, Sanders would have won. Trump won decisively. Clinton won a fixed primary against a candidate that did not effectively take her down. From what I saw here, Clinton is not likely to be the next president.

  28. The marching orders are in: “the speech was dark."

    1. Limbaugh OFTEN has compilations of several dozen "newspeople" spouting almost the identical verbiage.

      Seems only Quirk and Rufus are affected by that monotone here.


  29. New York Times
    His Tone Dark, Donald Trump Takes GOP Mantle
    New York Times -

  30. Donald Trump's vision of doom and despair in America
    Washington Post-

  31. Making America afraid again
    Washington Post

  32. Donald Trump Delivers Dark, Fear-Mongering RNC Speech 31


  33. Fact-checking Donald Trump's convention speech: A dark vision ...
    In-Depth-Chicago Tribune-2 hours ago

  34. trump dark on Twitter
    NYT Politics (@nytpolitics)
    16 mins ago - View on Twitter


  35. Trump and the Dark Art of Bad Publicity
    POLITICO Magazine-

  36. Donald Trump and the Dark Soul of the GOP
    Mother Jones-

  37. Dark, very dark, scary dark, dark dark, dark vision, dark scary.

  38. AP asked a thousand, or so, the other day, "which presidency would be best FOR YOU?"

    Hillary won it by 7 points.

    It's over.

  39. .

    Trump lives up to his reputation as a buffoon. Unfortunately, he plays a dark clown.

    I've said before I agree with about 90% of the issues he has identified. It's the solutions he offers (when he suggests any at all) that are either ridiculous or downright scary.


    1. You must no longer sit on the sidelines, Quirk-O.

      You must go in to politics.

      Even if it is beneath Your Haughtiness.

      You have all the solutions.

      Why are you holding them in then ?

      Let them out.

      The world cries out in need of you.

  40. .

    The only button of mine he didn't hit was the National Forests.

    I can believe it.


    1. .

      Law and Order

      Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has announced a three-month state of emergency for Turkey following a failed coup attempt over the weekend.

      The state of emergency will give broad powers to security forces and the government, NPR's Peter Kenyon reports. Erdogan says it will make it more efficient to round up, question and try people accused of supporting the coup.

      "Erdogan says its necessary to protect the rule of law and democracy,
      but he also made clear these would be used extensively against the Pennsylvania-based cleric Fethullah Gulen, a former ally now accused of fomenting this failed coup," Peter says.

      About 10,000 people are accused of supporting the coup, and 50,000 or more accused of backing Gulen, Peter says.

      And under the state of emergency, laws could be passed to grant new powers to the government, he reports.

      In an interview with Al-Jazeera English, Erdogan compared his government's reaction to the coup to other countries' responses to security threats.

      "For example, in the face of terrorist acts, France took numerous steps and certain stands," he said, according to Al-Jazeera.

      "Did they not detain people en masse? Did they not arrest people in very high numbers?"

      Erdogan told the broadcaster more than 9,000 people have been detained, nearly 20,000 charged by a court and some 60,000 purged from state institutions, according to Peter and Al-Jazeera...


      Judging from Trump's speech tonight it's easy to see why he would decline to criticize Turkey's actions.


    2. He must be pushing your buttons too, Quirk-O.

      I've said before I agree with about 90% of the issues he has identified.

      You must get on a soapbox somewhere, somewhere you can reach the people, and let the world know the proper solutions.

      Just stay away from the subject of our National Forests, of which you know precisely ZERO.

      Now get off your lazy arse and save the country !

  41. I take it he was yapping about "crime."

    The fact will almost immediately come out that "crime" (including police killing) is at the lowest level since, I guess, WWII.

    1. .

      As with most statistics, you can always find one that fits your needs.

      I think he used statistics from last year from a number of large cities.


  42. Jobs? The unemployment rate is 4.9%, and dropping (as opposed to the 10% rate that GW Bush left him.

    Incomes have been rising nicely the last two years, and the Good Jobs Index is up to 46.4.

    The last 3 unemployment claims numbers are at the lowest level since 1973, at 254,000, 254,000, and 253,000.

    And, wages have been rising nicely for two years, now.

    1. "And, wages have been rising nicely for two years, now." I must have liked that line; I used it twice. :)

    2. .

      Wages are probably not a subject I would bring up if I were bragging.



    3. You should have been Stalin's writer and statistician:

      Do you really think anyone here does not know the story behind the "unemployment rate?"

    4. If Rufus thinks anyone here buys his bullshit, o is he so wrong.

    5. So says Robert "Draft dodger" Peterson, who tells us that the entire FBI is a corrupt organization, that the Justice Department is corrupt, the Bureau of
      Land Management is a terrorist organization and that no government agency, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to the Department of Agriculture can be trusted.

      Then he wonders why people are shooting government agents on the streets of the America.

      He has contributed to the hate, he personifies it.

      Leading the way on the "Highway to Hell"

  43. Ted Cruz on Thursday strongly defended his refusal to endorse Donald Trump during his Republican National Convention speech, saying he's not "in the habit" of backing politicians who attack his family.


    Cruz's rebuke ignited a hot scene around the senator as soon as he left the stage. People averted their eyes from Cruz and his wife as they walked with their security detail on the skybox level of boisterous Republicans.


    The reaction from the floor was also swift and harsh.
    Newt Gingrich, appearing after Cruz, argued that Cruz's advocacy for constitutionalism meant that he, implicitly, endorsed Trump -- words he himself did not say.

    1. "The Longest Suicide Note In American Political History"

      Even pissed off the Texas Delegation.

  44. This comment has been removed by the author.

    1. Best comment by Quirk on this thread.

    2. .

      Question: You have used the same comment at least a dozen times probably many more; do you actually believe it is humorous or, gulp, clever?

      You sound like a gibbering five year old stuck continuous loop repeating the same lame knock-knock joke over and over.


  45. .

    Limbaugh OFTEN has compilations of several dozen "newspeople" spouting almost the identical verbiage.

    Seems only Quirk and Rufus are affected by that monotone here.

    Seems Doug is the only one here who actually listens to Limbaugh.



  46. Seems like you are programmed by the MSM.


    1. .

      Trumpette AND Dittohead.

      It just keeps getting better and better, Doug.


  47. What's the missing letter?


  48. Roseanne Barr isn't being funny about her support for Donald Trump.

    The comedian and former presidential hopeful is barring herself from endorsing Hillary Clinton and believes Americans "would be so lucky" if bombastic Republican candidate Donald Trump became the next President.

    "Because then it wouldn't be Hillary," she explained to the Hollywood Reporter.

    The 63-year-old bashed Clinton for being friends "with everybody that gives her any goddamned money."


  49. Donald kisses Rudy in drag.


  50. Poor, poor Quirk.

    He couldn't be optimistic if his very life depended on it.

    It's a dark time, a dark dark time.....

    Hence we need a little cheering up -

    In a Dark Time

    In a dark time, the eye begins to see,
    I meet my shadow in the deepening shade;
    I hear my echo in the echoing wood--
    A lord of nature weeping to a tree,
    I live between the heron and the wren,
    Beasts of the hill and serpents of the den.

    What's madness but nobility of soul
    At odds with circumstance? The day's on fire!
    I know the purity of pure despair,
    My shadow pinned against a sweating wall,
    That place among the rocks--is it a cave,
    Or winding path? The edge is what I have.

    A steady storm of correspondences!
    A night flowing with birds, a ragged moon,
    And in broad day the midnight come again!
    A man goes far to find out what he is--
    Death of the self in a long, tearless night,
    All natural shapes blazing unnatural light.

    Dark,dark my light, and darker my desire.
    My soul, like some heat-maddened summer fly,
    Keeps buzzing at the sill. Which I is I?
    A fallen man, I climb out of my fear.
    The mind enters itself, and God the mind,
    And one is One, free in the tearing wind.

    What's dark to us is light to them, our dead departed.

    Should I mention how the Catholic Dante is interwoven in this great poem ?

    Poor Quirk, who would be poor, even if he had The Donald's money, as he hasn't an eye to see.

    I'm sick of it.

    Let him stew in his own damned despairing juice.

    1. .

      It's strange how in Bob's World everyone must be categorized and put in a box, the Catholic Dante, the Polish Laura Ingram, the muzzie Obama, Bob's Jewish lawyer, his nigger friends. Or perhaps, not strange in that he is a Trumpette and that's how many of them roll.


    2. A Trumpette ?

      You make it sound like I'm in drag, or something.

      What a box you have put me in !

      Listen up, couch potato, I admire the guy's ENERGY.

      Not my first choice, but nearly anything is better than Hillary.

      And O'bozo is a muzzie.

      Why not call him one ?

      The MB hangs out at the White House, or haven't you heard ?

      You're an idiot lapsed Catholic, of the despairing sort, why not call you what you are, Polaski ?

      You put me in the faux farmer box, after all.

      Let's see if I can do this properly -



      Just heard from my old girl friend, who loved Trump's speech....she said she was reciting the The Pledge of Allegiance during it !

      You can pop her in your super patriot box.

      *She doesn't like advertisers

      She likes honest patriotic folk.

      She didn't marry those two colonels for nuthin'....

    3. .

      Me thinks you protest too much.

      Your use of those appellations reflects the quality of your thought. It is an attempt to box people in using stereotypes you have conjured up in your own mind. It's illogical. It stirs up connections that are not there especially when arguing most issues.

      The fact that you do it automatically, that you make excuses for doing it, that you don't see anything wrong with it is telling.


    4. You're sometimes nearly as bonkers as rat.

  51. And you can bet the alfalfa field that out of earshot he designates his lawyer as the Jew. How do I know that? He already has and Allen sniffed that out a long time ago.

    1. He's a wonderful man. Jewish.

      He loaned me 250 thousand when I needed it.

      I can't think of another lawyer in North Idaho who would do that.

      He thought I was right, and in jeopardy of getting really screwed.

      I will always remember that.

      He would disagree with nearly all you say.

      I really have my doots that he would say the Jews, his people, control the US Congress.

      He failed to get elected to the Idaho Legislature.

      I used to mention this wonderful man's Jewishness to sort of get your goat. I think I succeeded.

      I haven't seen him in years. He is long retired.

      I have a Catholic lawyer now, and not a lapser, either.

      But a real one.

      Not a despairing freak like Q.

    2. I’m not a lapser. I am a Catholic atheist.


    3. He was the one that was a co-conspirator in defrauding your Aunt's bank, then institutionalizing your Aunt to avoid prosecution?

  52. Trump will probably be the next president. Quirk and I will do a novena to the Holy Spirit for the seven gifts and that Trump keeps at least one of his kids with him at all times.

    1. Quirk doesn't have the energy to do a novena to the Holy Spirit.

      You are on your own.

    2. .

      Obviously, I was smiling at Deuce's comment.

      All one can do at Bob's is laugh.


  53. What we saw last night was masterful political craftsmanship. Trump stole half the Democrats agenda and moved the GOP to the left of the Clintoonites. The GOP was on their feet cheering a gay businessman and for worker’s rights and maternal benefits for women. It was as good a political ass kicking as I have ever seen.

    The defenders of the status quo in the media were clocked and staggered to their corner and got up blubbering about darkness. Gene Robinson turned white and Cris Mathews, bleeding from both nostrils and his left ear, had to stuff cotton balls in his cheeks to keep the spittle from foaming

  54. NBC: ‘Doom and Gloom’ of Trump’s Speech ‘Presenting the Country as a Dark Place’
    By Kyle Drennen | July 22, 2016 | 9:34 AM EDT

    Reacting to Donald Trump’s acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention Thursday night, on Friday morning, the hosts and correspondents of NBC’s Today scolded the GOP nominee for his “dark” tone of “doom and gloom.” Opening the broadcast, co-host Matt Lauer proclaimed: “Donald Trump closes out the Republican National Convention in a speech that was both fiery...and dark.”

  55. Dark, really really dark. But all is not lost, HILLARY will turn back on the lights and take us forward.

    1. Classic demagoguery - 'ohhhhh black army ranger kills cop - bad leadership - I'm the answer', 'ohhh things are baaaaad in America, baaaaad leaders, I'm the answer'. blah blah blah.

    2. and, yeah, we'll see Hillary "America is Exceptional" Clinton next.

    3. "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." George Carlin


    4. “Despite the enormous quantity of books, how few people read! And if one reads profitably, one would realize how much stupid stuff the vulgar herd is content to swallow every day.”

      ― Voltaire

    5. .

      At least we have Rush Limbaugh.


    6. Never underestimate the idiocy of even two people together.....I give you the SMIRK'n'QUIRK IDIOT TWINS as proof example.


    7. Never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

  56. Hang on to next week and the Dem’s bromide bratwurstfest. Bring your tums.

    1. .

      How can a person accept either one of these dolts; a congenital liar and crook versus an autocratic demagogue and cipher?


    2. If The Donald is a cipher how is it you are calling him an autocratic demagogue.

      Look, Buckaroo, he got off his ass and went out there and campaigned in good ol' American fashion and GOT THE VOTES.

      It's thoughtless statementS like yours above that drive me to distraction.

      Of course, your misshapen twin, SMIRK, right out of the starting block was calling him a fascist.

      Some fascist.


      Where is his private army ?

      This, at nearly 70 years of age, is the first time he has ever run for anything at all.

      His earlier life was basically non-political in the ideological sense.

      Some fascist, some demagogue....

      You're as crazy as rat sometimes.

    3. It is sad that on Memorial Day weekend Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson advocated that the US abandon the Constitution that so many patriotic servicemen and women have died to defend, in favor of subjugation of the US by a foreign power.

      Idaho Bob
      Mon May 25, 12:14:00 AM EDT

      I'd rather have the Israelis temporarily running things here, until we can get a good Republican in there as Prez, than Obama.

      Obama has made a total mess out of everything. A couple of years with Likud running things here would be a vast improvement.


    4. Old Papa, he wrote about Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson and his ilk ...

      He was just a coward and that was the worst luck any man could have.

    5. First swing at politics at age 70.


      Some demagogue.

      You might at least wait until he actually DOES SOMETHING IN OFFICE before condemning the man.

      Then, if you feel he is out of line, have at it, argue about some act.

      You're just jealous he's got Melania, and you don't, is what is behind your animosity !


    6. And the fact he's got the energy to get off the couch, which you lack.

  57. Nearly 20,000 emails and more than 8,000 attachments from the Democratic National Committee have been released by WikiLeaks. This is part one of their new Hillary Leaks series, the whistleblower organization said in press release.

    The emails released Friday cover a period from Janury 2015 to May 2016. They purportedly come from the accounts of seven major figures in the DNC: Senior Adviser Andrew Wright, National Finance Director Jordon Kaplan, Finance Chief of Staff Scott Comer, Communications Director Luis Miranda, Northern California Finance Director Robert Stowe, Finance Director of Data & Strategic Initiatives Daniel Parrish and Finance Director Allen Zachary.



  58. We have read and heard much about the dissatisfaction many Americans feel about the major-party presidential candidates. The Associated Press article “Fear factor: Americans scared of their options” in Friday’s Dispatch underlined this when it cited polls stating that 81 percent of Americans would be afraid if one of them won the presidency, with 25 percent scared of both.

    We don't have to settle for either one. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, has steadily risen in both national and key state polls since his nomination in May, now garnering 10-15 percent support. In a recent Fox News poll, he outranked Hillary Clinton 23 percent to 22 percent among independents. A Pew Research Poll has him leading Donald Trump 22 percent to 21 percent among millennials. And a poll of Kansas voters showed him outranking Trump among Hispanics.

    It is very possible that Johnson will achieve the 15 percent threshold in five major polls that would qualify him to appear in the presidential debates.

    Americans are desperately looking for a president who really will reduce the size, scope and cost of the federal government, is committed to peace at home and abroad and has the governing experience to propose sound policy. Both Johnson and his running mate, Bill Weld, were Republican governors of heavily Democratic states. As governor of New Mexico, Johnson vetoed more legislation than the other 49 governors combined and reduced the size and cost of state government. Neither Trump nor Clinton has comparable experience.

    1. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2016/07/21/1-gary-johnson-is-libertarian-alternative.html


  59. What astounds me is that the American public willingly accepts that these are the two choices the political gangs that run our country are offering us. And until this country wakes up and realizes that there are in fact more than two choices, despite what mainstream media shoves down our throats, then this is what we're going to get.

    Ron Paul mentioned that he's probably going to vote Libertarian this year. He should. After all, he was their presidential nominee back in 1988. Come November, I will join him, voting for Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson again, just like I did in 2012. He's on the ballot in all 50 states, and this year I hope voters won't be lemmings. This is the year for a third party to rise, if there ever was one. This is the time for the people to stand up and say, "We've had enough, and we're still in charge." Whether voters exercise that option, we'll have to see.

    I like everything Gary Johnson has said so far. He's fiscally conservative and socially liberal – something neither Democrats nor Republicans can offer. He also has a solid plan for bringing our troops home and restoring our economy. And, like me, he's a firm believer that marijuana should be legal.

    - Jesse Ventura


  60. Possible muzzie attack in Germany -

    'Shooting spree' at Munich shopping mall... Developing...

    'Multiple deaths'....DRUDGE

    Anyone want to lay some odds ?

    1. I give it about 5 to 1 in favor....

      I think The Donald has a bright idea when he says he wants to keep this crap of our country.

      Quirk, who isn't bright enough to recognize a direct threat when one is directed at him (first we show the Poles, then everybody else) would call this 'demagoguery'.

    2. Fox is on the story....we should know soon....

    3. I'll betcha O'bozo is 'monitoring' the situation.

      He seems to spend a better part of his average day monitoring this or that.

    4. Might just be another incident of shopping mall violence.

    5. German Special Forces have arrived on the scene.

    6. German Police are tweeting that people should avoid 'public places'.

      This is hard to do in a big city.

    7. 'no reason to panic, but hide'

    8. Now being described by the Krauts as a 'shooting rampage', probably more than one shooter involved.

    9. Fox reports it has 'all the hallmarks' of an ISIS attack.

      What's a 'hallmark' in a situation like this....bullet holes in the walls ?


    11. Radical environmentalists from Die Grunen ?

    12. Judeo/Christian proselytizers ?

      Hindu Psychology Graduate students in Germany ?

  61. .

    Speaking of Trump...

    Idaho Bob: Where is his private army ?

    You propose giving him one, you moron.


    When someone pointed out that some of his proposals are against the law, torture for instance, and that the troops couldn't legally carry out his orders in that case, he assured them 'Don't worry, if I give the order they will carry them out.'

    A cipher?

    He out Bernie's Bernie promising everyone a college education, he promises to build a wall, he promises a cut taxes for everyone, he promises to pay off the federal debt, hell, he might as well promise a chicken in every pot while he is at it; yet, he offers no clue as to how he will do it or how it will be financed. Bullshit and bubblegum, trinkets for the natives.


    He sells his populist snake oil to ill-informed hicks like you knowing that there is a fool like you born every minute.



    1. When did I propose giving Trump a private army, you asshole ?

      I might not even vote for him.

      I may sit it out.

      Maybe I'll vote for Jill Stein.

      I have noticed proposals concerning a National Police Force.

      If you recall, though your recall is obvioiusly slipping, I said if that such a National Police Force comes to pass I may well head to New Zealand.

      Please don't bother me further.

      I'm concentrating on the events in Germany....

    2. Finally !

      Word has arrived that O'bozo has been 'briefed' on the situation.

      Soon he should be 'monitoring'.....this is always a 'confidence builder'.

    3. He may well be considering how best to smuggle more Syrian 'refugees' into the USA, all the while putting a 'smiley face' on the whole business.

      German Police are now saying they are thinking they've got some terrorists on their hands....

    4. Such thinking is known these days as 'Deep Deutsche Denken'.

    5. Where's Frau Merkel ?

      Why isn't her fat ass out there trying to counter the situation ?

    6. The savages seem to have opened up at first at a McDonald's Restaurant in the mall.

    7. Ronald sells sausage.

      Germans love sausage.

    8. My favorite item:

      The Big Breakfast, no pancakes, extra sausage.

    9. My Niece was teasing me once. She a vegetarian, no booze. Come to Germany. You can drink beer, and eat sausage....I won't mind....

  62. Paul Krugman: Donald Trump, the Siberian Candidate

    Is it more than ignorance?:

    Donald Trump, the Siberian Candidate, by Paul Krugman, NY Times: If elected, would Donald Trump be Vladimir Putin’s man in the White House? This should be a ludicrous, outrageous question. After all, he must be a patriot — he even wears hats promising to make America great again. ...

    I’m not talking about merely admiring Mr. Putin’s performance — being impressed by the de facto dictator’s “strength,” and wanting to emulate his actions. I am, instead, talking about indications that Mr. Trump would ... actually follow a pro-Putin foreign policy, at the expense of America’s allies and her own self-interest.
    That’s not to deny that Mr. Trump does, indeed, admire Mr. Putin. ... But admiration for Putinism isn’t unusual in Mr. Trump’s party. ...

    All of this is, or should be, deeply disturbing..., what we’re now seeing ... goes beyond emulation, and is starting to look like subservience.

    First, there was the Ukraine issue — one on which Republican leaders have consistently ... criticized Mr. Obama for insufficient action... And the G.O.P. platform was going to include a statement reaffirming this line, but it was watered down to blandness on the insistence of Trump representatives.

    1. Then came Mr. Trump’s interview with The New York Times, in which ... he declared that even if Russia attacked members of NATO he would come to their aid only if those allies — which we are bound by treaty to defend — have “fulfilled their obligations to us.”

      Now, some of this is Mr. Trump’s deep ignorance of policy... But is there more to the story? Is there some specific channel of influence?
      We do know that Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, has worked as a consultant for various dictators, and was for years on the payroll of Viktor Yanukovych, the former Ukrainian president and a Putin ally.

      And there are reasons to wonder about Mr. Trump’s own financial interests. Remember, we know nothing about the true state of his business empire, and he has refused to release his taxes... We do know that he has substantial if murky involvement with wealthy Russians and Russian businesses. ...

      At some level, Mr. Trump’s motives shouldn’t matter. We should be horrified at the spectacle of a major-party candidate casually suggesting that he might abandon American allies — just as we should be horrified when that same candidate suggests that he might welsh on American financial obligations. But there’s something very strange and disturbing going on here, and it should not be ignored.

      Economists View

  63. “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” — Hermann Göring

    1. Hermann was crunching poison in his jail cell at the end of his life.

    2. Wasn't it the Democrats suggesting a National Police Force for USA ?

      It doesn't sound like a Republican Party sort of idea.

      In fact I believe the idea was first discussed in the 'inner reaches' of the O'bozo Regime.

      Am I correct ?

    3. If I am correct, it fits right in with my mantra:

      "If totalitarianism comes to the USA it will come from the left not the right"

    4. Is this correct, Quirk ?

      Who was talking about forming a National Police Force ?

      You know all things.

    5. I have heard Trump urging support of the Police, but I can't recall him saying form a National Police Force.

      If he has, or does, he gets three strikes and out from me.

  64. What would be the difference? We already have de fact Government police forces. US Marshals, DEA, TSA, Homeland Security, FBI and:

    U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations

    U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

    U.S. Central Intelligence Agency

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection

    U.S. Defense Criminal Investigative Service

    Defense Intelligence Agency

    U.S. Department of Homeland Security

    U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration

    U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation

    Federal Protective Service

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement

    U.S. IRS Criminal Investigations Division

    U.S. Marshal Service

    U.S. Naval Criminal Investigative Service

    U.S. Postal Inspection Service

    U.S. State Department Bureau of Diplomatic Security

    U.S. Secret Service


    U.S. Agency for International Development, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Agriculture, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Defense, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Education, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Energy, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Housing & Urban Development,

    Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Interior, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. Postal Service, Office of Inspector General

    U.S. National Aeronautics & Space Administration, Office of Inspector General www.hq.nasa.gov/office/oig/hq

  65. Do you think a federal cop would be any different ?

  66. It's all way way too much, I agree.

    One of the shooters seems to have shot himself.

    Still unclear who is doing the attacks....now they are saying it may not be ISIS....


    1. ".now they are saying it may not be ISIS...."
      Don't they almost always say that?

    2. Now a witness is saying they shouted the Akbar....

    3. She's a Muslim.

      Sorry for the religious reference, Quirk.

      What can you expect from a Limbaugh listener?

    4. "Whether ISIS has an operating cell in Germany is unclear to US Officials"