“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Getting the Wrong People To Do The Right Things

rufus said...

Here's what Rove, and the other establishment asshole don't realize. There is now a huge contingent of naturally conservative people that don't give two hoots, and a holler if the Republicans "Take" the Senate (or the house, or the outhouse.)

They no longer think of the Republicans as "their" party. They watched Dubya, and the Bobsie Twins try to ram Amnesty down their throats. They listened to John McIdiot prattle on about "Global Warming, and watched Newt Gingrich sit on the couch with Nancy Pig, and do the same.

They woke up one morning and found that the Republicans, and Democrats had utterly destroyed the economy of their country in an imbicilic attempt to buy every vote available from every broke, drug-addicted, con artist that could lie on a housing application.

They watched the biggest crooks in the history of the country walk scot free from the biggest scam in three millenia of recorded history.

These people are sad that Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins aren't running so they could vote them out along with Castle, Bennet, Murkowski, and any other high profile RINO asshole they can get their sights on.

Half of them are praying that John McCain gets beat. Many that live in Arizona will stay home.

I'm tellin ya, Bubba, these folks are Pissed!

Karl Rove is heartbroke cause his "team" won't get "Control" of the Senate. Those conservatives out there don't give a flyin flip if Rove's "team" gets control of the Senate. They kinda hope not.

They is Pissed, Bubba; and they want to "Break Something."

Wed Sep 15, 01:55:00 AM EDT


  1. The pundits are going to get it wrong. Our Rulers and Masters are not yet getting it, but the day will come when they do.

    People are sick of them all from the Obama's lavish and sickening splendor to the cynical scoundrels on the House and Senate floor.

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  3. Oops, Scarface is gone. I guess I gotta amend, and retract - or some such shit.

  4. You want me to do What?

    I'm going to bed.


  5. But, you're right, Deuce. I don't know which bunch of crooks are going to be the most shocked when this thing is over.

    But, I'll guarantee you: both bunches are going to be bouncing off the furniture as they wobble to the door.

  6. Sorry about scarface. I have another use for that later. i am sure your creative response will be there later.

  7. I wonder why people do not trust our Rulers and Masters.

    Arlington National Cemetery officials discovered that two people were buried in the wrong plots after exhuming their remains last month, an Army official confirmed Tuesday.

    It's the first revelation of bodies being exhumed since the Army released an inspector general report in June that found extensive record-keeping problems at the nation's premier military cemetery, including more than 100 unmarked graves, scores of grave sites with headstones that are not recorded on cemetery maps, and at least four burial urns that had been unearthed and dumped in an area where excess grave dirt is kept.

    The cemetery took the extraordinary step of opening the grave of an Army staff sergeant after his wife heard the news about the cemetery's problems and worried that her husband was buried in the wrong place.

    When officials opened his grave three weeks ago, they found that someone else's remains had been interred there, said Gary Tallman, an Army spokesman. The cemetery found the sergeant buried in a nearby plot under someone else's headstone, his wife said in an interview.

    It is past time to bury the careers of the arrogant bastards that rule us.

  8. Republican pundits and my favorite pig-eyed no-lipped second rate thinker and pundit, Joe Scarborough, declare the O'Donnell candidacy dead on arrival. We shall see.

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  10. Getting rid of the rotting deadwood in Washington on both sides of the aisle is our key objective.

    Electing opportinistic ciphers like O'Donnell, Angle, and Paul do little but change one set of pricks for another.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    As for the EB's new Robespierre and Pauline Leon, as I racall, things didn't turn out so well for them in the end.



  11. The idea that by turning the Republican Party into an organization that will be half the size of its' former self, the Federal Government will be transformed ...

    Oxymoronic, at best.

    The GOP certainly will not be an ideological Party, in its' new and improved state. Mrs Palin not a "small government" conservative, and she 'best' represents the transition to their future.

    The majority of the calls for Federal financial austerity and balanced budgets emanate from the conservatives of the 'Red States', almost all of which are net 'looters' of the Federal treasury.

    Or those calls come from those that would protest, most vehemently, at any cuts in military spending and/or procurements.

    As rufus posted a few threads back, do not even think about denying him, or me, or thee that promised Social Security check.

    The DC elites know better than to touch Medicare and that new drug program, as every voting 'Senior' will turn on the politico that has the audacity to even mention it.

    The Federal budget deficits are not driven by the funding of 'Welfare Cheats' driving new Cadillacs and watching big flat screen TVs in subsidized housing.

  12. Though I will say that anytime Karl Rove squirms and sweats, it gladdens my heart.

  13. $3.4 million of Florida’s slice of Obama's Porkulus Package is going to build a tunnel to help turtles cross a busy highway.

    1970: Iran 3.83 million barrels per day, Saudi Arabia 3.8 mbd; 2009: Iran 4.04 mbd and Saudi Arabia 8.25 mbd.

    O’Donnell Says Rove Eating “Humble Pie”

    In other culinary news, Michelle “Sometimes you just need a burger.” Obama targeted restaurants this week. She told them to serve healthier food and ditch the french fries and other “sugary, fatty, and salty” food. FLOTUS: Do As I Say, Not As I Do

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  15. Any Republican politico that advocates returning to the Reagan era tax rates, with a top rate of 28%, is called a RINO. The fact is there are no Tea Party conservatives that would support a return to Reaganesque tax and spend policies, today.

    Reagan would now be considered in the RINO camp, by the Tea Party Express.

    There is no way that such thinking will move the political center of the country.

  16. Reagan had to work with Tip O'Neill. One thing is for sure, Nazi Pelosi won't be speaker in 2011.

  17. The GOP has been the Party of deficit spending, each of the Republican Presidents, post Nixon, has presided over booming deficits.

    That is the fact of the matter.

    Blame the other folks in the room, if it pleases you to do so, but it does not change the reality of the history.

    The Tea Party Express will guarantee that the GOP remains out of the White House for at least the next cycle.

    And that's a good thing.

    A GOP House and Democrats in the White House, a guarantee of Federal grid lock.

    Hopefully that will continue through at least 2020, in one form or another.

  18. The good news for me today is that my very favorite likable crook, Representative Charles B. Rangel, has not only survived, but triumphed, beating his main rival by about 2 to 1. Charlie is so likable that he deserves to die in office, in my view.

  19. Charlie is the kind of guy that can get the right people to do the wrong things.

  20. Charlie:
    A Korea Vet.
    As am I.

  21. How Obama Thinks

    In an eerie conclusion, Obama writes that "I sat at my father's grave and spoke to him through Africa's red soil." In a sense, through the earth itself, he communes with his father and receives his father's spirit. Obama takes on his father's struggle, not by recovering his body but by embracing his cause. He decides that where Obama Sr. failed, he will succeed. Obama Sr.'s hatred of the colonial system becomes Obama Jr.'s hatred; his botched attempt to set the world right defines his son's objective. Through a kind of sacramental rite at the family tomb, the father's struggle becomes the son's birthright.


    Colonialism today is a dead issue. No one cares about it except the man in the White House. He is the last anticolonial. Emerging market economies such as China, India, Chile and Indonesia have solved the problem of backwardness; they are exploiting their labor advantage and growing much faster than the U.S. If America is going to remain on top, we have to compete in an increasingly tough environment.

    But instead of readying us for the challenge, our President is trapped in his father's time machine. Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation's agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son makes it happen, but he candidly admits he is only living out his father's dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is governed by a ghost.

    Dinesh D'Souza,

  22. (colder, meaner, much more dangerous for Charlie, of course)

  23. Geithner and Charlie:

    The Ultimate extremes of extreme tax cheats.

  24. I like Dinesh D'Souza, Doug. He's written some good books with a nice flash of humor here and there.

  25. Charlie is so likable that he deserves to die in office, in my view.

    Liking the guy, which I do, is one thing. Paying him to steal money from you is quite another.


  26. And where were you Doug for the Lesbians in Lesbos thread?

    Quirk you really think Charlie would be replaced by an honest politician, might as well let Charlie steal it and get some laughs.

  27. He was running against Adam Clayton Powell IV, Quirk.

    Recall pappy Powell Jr, who Rangel beat, was removed for corruption.

    Just let Charlie be Charlie.

  28. Word on Capitol Hill is that Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee with a well-worn passport to the world's hot spots, is in the mix to replace Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who's been hinting of an exit before the end of President Obama's first term.

    heh good ol' Hillary who woulda thunk it

  29. It's time for a MONEY BOMB for O'Donnell and Angle!!!

    Make it GO VIRAL!

    We don't need the NRSC for this!

    Hangtown Bob

  30. Well, that's sweet. I wake up to find the quarrelsome one threatening me with the guillotine.


    RINOS R US - Souls R US

    RINO Souls R US


  31. Kudlow hears that Valerie Jarrett will replace Rahm Emanuel.


    Establishment Washington got yet another whipping last night, as "the unelectable" Christine O'Donnell -- supported by Sarah Palin and the Tea Parties -- rallied to convincingly beat liberal and well-connected Mike Castle in Delaware's Republican primary for Senate. Castle, we were told by the powers that be, was the only electable Republican -- and his loss is already being mourned by "Beltway conservatives" like Karl Rove and Dana Perino, not to mention the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which has announced that O'Donnell will have to finance her campaign on her own.

    Well, fine. The last time Republican voters agreed with the Beltway pundits (and the Democrats) and awarded a nomination to "the most electable Republican" who was "well-respected across the aisle," we got John McCain. How did that work out? Just great -- as long as you are a Democrat.

    Thankfully, tiny Delaware's voters ignored their party apparatus, actually held a true Republican primary, and chose the person who most closely represents what the Republican base voter believes in. This is what party primaries used to be for. It is what they should still be held for. It is simply unforgivable for Republican apparatchiks to choose sides in a primary -- yet they do -- and they are so often disastrous picks. Can you say "Arlen Specter"? "Charlie Crist"?

  33. Recall pappy Powell Jr, who Rangel beat, was removed for corruption.

    bob, that can't be exactly right, it's obvious you got your details mixed, it's time for you to get going anyway, you got some things to do.

    Powell was removed for corruption though.....I think.

  34. Industrial Production Growing. All the way up to 2004 Level

  35. I didn't respond to Rangel beating Powell you nitwit. I responded to this.

    "Charlie is so likable that he deserves to die in office, in my view."


  36. Q

    RINOS R US - Souls R US

    I've been the biggest defender of the Tea Party here.

    I've been one of the biggest promoters of the "throw the bums out" movement here.

    However, now it appears the Tea Party (or at least the western part of it) has a new theme, "Throw the bums out and replace them with new bums."


  37. Uh, Q, they're politicians.

    Whut did you think you were going to get? Roy Rogers, and The Lone Ranger?

  38. I don't think OD is all that bad. The establishment, elite politicians don't like her because she's not one of them, so they've trashed her.

    I'd rather have her going to DC than anyone Karl Rove would have picked.

  39. If this keeps up, The Jackal may have to run.


  40. The Republican party is going to back O'Donnell, for whatever it's worth.

    I know that you nitwit, I know what you were responding to.

    I've been reading the Nez Perce Dictionary at the library. They have different words for different kinds of sounds--
    sound of eating hay
    sound of footsteps of deer
    sound of spitting
    sound of walking through dry leaves
    sound of wind whistling through snags
    sound of pounding
    sound of a gunshot
    kinda interesting

  41. sound of Quirk pissing and moaning

  42. Deuce wrote:

    "No burka would exist without the threat and demands of some paranoid controlling sociopathic sexually twisted man. No society would demand or tolerate a law that the color of one's skin must be totally covered in public, yet we allow Islam to do that to woman.

    What sewer dwellers would ritually kill and disfigure their own daughters, sisters, wives and mothers, because their fragile sexual "honor" was challenged?

    Give me an "I"

    What scum would carve the clitoris off a baby girl?

    Give me a "S"

    What tortured freak would fit a retarded woman with a bomb to kill her and other innocents?

    Give me an "L"

    What death loving religion would place approval on ritual slaughter of innocents because their shit vision of their god demands it?

    Give me an "A"

    What mislabeled neurosis disguised as a religion needs not to be coddled but rejected by civilized society?

    Give me an "M"

    ISLAM is the problem."

    Hitler said:

    "The Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end.......spying on the unsuspicious German girl he plans to seduce..........He wants to contaminate her blood and remove her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew hates the white race and wants to lower its cultural level so that the Jews might dominate."

    " I ask Roosevelt, I ask the American people: Are you prepared to receive in your midst these well-poisoners of the German people and the universal spirit of Christianity? We would willingly give everyone of them a free steamer-ticket and a thousand-mark note for travelling expenses, if we could get rid of them"

    "Was there any form of filth or crime...without at least one Jew involved in it. If you cut even cautiously into such a sore, you find like a maggot in a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden light - a Jew.""

    "His is no master people; he is an exploiter: the Jews are a people of robbers. He has never founded any civilisation, though he has destroyed civilisations by the hundred...everything he has stolen. Foreign people, foreign workmen build him his temples, it is foreigners who create and work for him, it is foreigners who shed their blood for him."

    "Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst."

  43. I agree with you, Ash.

    Hitler had it all wrong.

    Deuce has it all right.

    Quite a contrast all right.

    Thanks for pointing it out.

  44. You only forgot to mention that Hitler allied with the muzzies.

  45. It is heartening to see the citizenry trying to cleanse the Repb. party from the outside in. Reminiscent of Army blanket parties for those who would not wash. The scrub brush changed a lot of minds.

  46. The logical conclusion for you, bob, is to cleanse America of the disease - right?

  47. Hitler was referring to a "People."

    Deuce was referring to a "Religion."

    Two separate things.

  48. The way Rove was crying, he must think it's going to be a "Steel" brush. :)

    He's probably right.

  49. The Muslims do not offer women full and equal rights, that much is true.

    We in the US have denied the right to life, the most essential of human rights, to 50 million of our own.

    That they are human, well, that was well defined in the law, prior to 1973. In some instances those unborn children are still considered humans, under the law.

    Violence Against Women

    Violence against women, including violence that results in homicide, is a significant health and criminal justice problem. The problem is magnified when the victim of violence is pregnant because there are additional health risks to both the woman and her unborn child.

    To those that would tell me that the United States, is a Christian nation, one that can claim to be morally superior to the Islamic whirled ...

    Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

  50. DESERT RAT: We in the US have denied the right to life, the most essential of human rights, to 50 million of our own.

    Two threads ago I nominated abortion as a forbidden topic on the Elephant Bar, it was seconded and thirded by Bob and Deuce. Now it's enforcement time.

  51. How about them Catholics? They hate abortion, birth control even, but sex with kids is no problem.

  52. Rubio Opens Up Clear Lead in Florida. Oh, but Rubio, like O'Donnell, could never win, says the same GOP establishment that would rather see a left-voting Republican win than a Tea Partier.

  53. In New Jersey, a judge saw no evidence that a Muslim committed sexual assault of his wife, NOT because he didn’t do it, but because he was acting on his Islamic beliefs. In denying the woman an Order of Protection, the judge stated:

    “This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited.”

  54. Rand Paul has a nice 8 point lead in Ky. But, he couldn't win.

  55. Ash, 17% of the world population is Catholic. So I would estimate that half of those are male and half are female. Assume 2-3% of the males are homosexual and assume that homosexuals are over-represented in the priesthood. Assume some of those homosexual priests like young boys, what do you conclude about the other 96% of the Catholic population?

    Try and do the calculation with your brain and not your ass.

  56. I think we should consider posting the weekly dumb shit comment of the week.

  57. " The logical conclusion for you, bob, is to cleanse America of the disease - right?"

    You may not have noticed, but America is not a political party. The Republicans are.
    The Democrats have purged any form of moderation from their ranks over the last few decades. JFK would not be electable today as a Democrat. If the Republican constituency decides the current crop is corrupt and decides that replacing them with a new crew that will hopefully more closely represent them, it's not a problem, it's democracy.

  58. You're up there Ash, until we find a dumber one to replace it. Please feel free to submit any complaints to Whit.

  59. I think we should consider posting the weekly dumb shit comment of the week.

    Does that come with a parking space?


  60. You might as well give me a permanent home.

  61. A lot of assumptions there Deuce but I'm just mimicking your reasoning.

    Let us look at it the way you do with Islam. You take some incidents and project it upon the entire group. Now, take a look at Catholics and what THE LEADERSHIP is doing. What does that tells us about all Catholics? If you do it on the one hand (Islam) you should be consistent to do it on the other (Catholics). Here let me give you a listing of some of the abuses by the PRIESTS that Catholics are duty bound to follow:

    For a sampling how about a listing from above link of abuses in the US:

    Archdiocese of Anchorage

    See also: Sexual abuse scandal in the Society of Jesus

    In 2007, the Society of Jesus made a $50 million payout to over 100 Inuits who alleged that they had been sexually abused. The settlement did not require them to admit molesting Inuit children, but accusations involved 13 or 14 priests who allegedly molested these children for 30 years.[36]

    In 2008, the Diocese of Fairbanks, a co-defendant in the case, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, claiming inability to pay the 140 plaintiffs filing claims against the diocese for alleged sexual abuse by priests or church workers during this period.[37][38][39]

    Archdiocese of Boston

    Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Boston

    Allegations of sexual misconduct by priests of the Archdiocese of Boston, and following revelations of a cover-up by the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Bernard Francis Law, became known in 2004, causing Roman Catholics in other dioceses of the United States to investigate similar situations. Cardinal Law's actions prompted public scrutiny of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the steps taken in response to past and current allegations of sexual misconduct by priests. The events in the Archdiocese of Boston became a national scandal.

    Archdiocese of Chicago

    Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Chicago

    Daniel McCormack, a self-confessed sexually abusive priest was sentenced to five years in prison for abusing five boys (8–12 years) in 2001.[40]

    Diocese of Crookston

    Rev. Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul was charged with molesting two teenage girls at a Catholic church in Greenbush, Minnesota, a small rural town near the Canadian border. The abuse occurred in 2004, and charges were filed in 2006 and amended in 2007.[41] Without facing legal punishment, Jevapaul returned to his home diocese in Ootacamund, India, where today he works in the church’s diocesan office. A Roseau County, Minnesota attorney is seeking to extradite the priest from India in a criminal case involving one of the girls.[42] The Archbishop of Madras, India (Madras is now called “Chennai”) has asked Jeyapaul to return to the US to face the charges.[43] Jevapaul has said that he will not fight extradition if the US seeks it.[44]

    Diocese of Davenport

    Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Davenport diocese

    On October 10, 2006, the Diocese of Davenport filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection [45].

    Ran out of room to complete - but you get the idea. THERE ARE LOADS OF CASES. What does this tell us about Catholics in general?

  62. Hi Mel.

    I sneezed last night and screwed my back up again.

    Not that I'm complaigning or looking for sypathy or anything.


  63. "...sympathy..."


  64. Quirk, you can have the space you do say more dumb shit than I do.

  65. gee, my post doesn't want to stay up. I wonder why?

  66. Honey, you're talking weeks of healing so don't think every time you sneeze you're gonna to get sympathy.

  67. Thanks Mel.

    If you need to use the parking space when I'm not here, no problem.


  68. Palin's gal won in New Hampshire, also.


  69. I'll check back with you in three weeks to see how you're feeling, speaking of which, I wonder how Trish is feeling.

  70. And no...

    …I refuse to except the summer's end.

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  72. Trish is OK.

    I think she said she was going to be in PA with her family this week.


  73. The last refuge of a xenophobic totalitarian - censorship. I guess you are afraid for others to see what I said. Chicken.

  74. She sounded like a nervous breakdown to me. I was getting kind of worried.

  75. That's about right, the verbotten subject matter.

    That one that give lie to most all of the arguments of the moral superiority of "Western Civilization".

    Best to ignore it?

    Not a chance, it is the hallmark of our "Civilization" our homegrown holocaust

    50 million US victims.

    Best we ignore it?


    The Muslims have not come close to the that total, not in all their aggressions, combined.

    It is the "cause" of the conflict.

    We want "them" to be more like "us". They do not feel it advances them, to embrace infanticide, as the United States and its' ally in Arabia do.

    It is the pivot point in the "Clash of Cultures".

    That it does not play well to the tune of your personal priorities, Ms T. Not my problem

    Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Abortion denies all three to the victim.

  76. bob thinks it is okay to abort black babies, as he stated on 8 November 2008, when Barak Obama won the White House, but not white ones.

    A true believer in the power of Social Eugenics.

    Little wonder he does not want the subject to be discussed. It points to his ideological and personal hypocrisy.

  77. Deuce said...

    You're up there Ash, until we find a dumber one to replace it. Please feel free to submit any complaints to Whit.

    I think I'll knock it off for a week, or at least be really really careful.

    I really want to see Ash up there with the 'dunce cap' on.

    Consider using the symbol of the dunce cap, deuce, when the award is given.

    Thankfully we weren't having such an award in the past or I'd have gotten it myself.

  78. Desert Rat: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Abortion denies all three to the victim.

    I will never nominate a topic to be banned from the Elephant Bar again. I will never second a nomination from another party. I am and shall ever be unavailable for consultation when Deuce or Whit request my input on the Elephant Bar in the future.

  79. Deuce is acting like the hierarchy of his church - sweeping it all under the carpet. Just send that pedophile to another diocese, nothing to see here all the while deleting the evidence.

  80. Banning subjects, the equivalent of book burning.

    Driven by fear of ideas.

    When the topic of the thread is:

    "Getting the Wrong People To Do The Right Things"

    What is "Right Thing" about abortion?

  81. Ash for dunce
    Ash for dunce

  82. "In 2007, the Society of Jesus made a $50 million payout to over 100 Inuits who alleged that they had been sexually abused. The settlement did not require them to admit molesting Inuit children, but accusations involved 13 or 14 priests who allegedly molested these children for 30 years.[36]"

    Just one of many cases. In this one 13 or 14 priests over the period of 30 years and over 100 children. Nothing to see here Bob, move right along:

    Roman Catholic sex abuse cases by country

  83. I pulled this down before Ash since it looked like you were being censored.

    However, since you continue to post on the subject, I'll put it up again.

    "Your logic strains the imagination Ash.

    Were there abuses by the Catholic priests. Yes.

    Were there abuses by Muslims. Yes.

    Was there any differences in these instances. Yes.

    While you have large portions of the Muslims and their Imams trying to justify the abuses by Muslims on the basis of passages from the Koran, no one including the Catholic hierarchy is trying to excuse the actions of the priests. They are universally condemned."


  84. In that one case just cited Quirk the 14 priests are not working alone. Your point is well taken that the Priests have not used the scripture to try to support their pedophilia but you do have some understanding of how the Catholic faith interprets the scripture and all things holy? From God to the Pope to the Priests to the flock. No room for individual interpretation. Look at what a bunch of the Priests are doing, not just one or two, but a bunch.

  85. The whole point of this is to criticize the regular (here) attacks on Islam based on the actions of a portion of it. If you like we could go back to the Crusades, The Spanish inquisitions, and I'm sure there are many other instances where horrible deeds were justified by reference to Christianity. There are over a billion Muslims in the world and Deuce is accusing them all of gentile mutilation, suicide bombing ect.

  86. Abortion has been taken out of the political, legislative, sphere of influence by the High Priests of Secularism.

    The Nine Men in Black.
    The arbitrators of civilization.

    That in and of itself is a political issue, to its' very core.

    I have read the Constitution many times. I have yet to find the "Right to Kill" anywhere in it.

    Nor where the "Right" to privacy out weighs the "Right" to Life, Liberty or the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Whenever the Legislatures are allowed a voice, they determine that the unborn should be protected, as if they were human. As exemplified by the greater severity of penalty for the killing of a pregnant woman.

    The perpetrator can often be tried for two counts of murder.

    Rightly so.

  87. hee hee, Freudian slip (?) gentile mutilation as opposed to genital mutilation.

  88. Muslims Attack Hindus In India--A Warning For The West--Part II

    It's 1400--Fourteen Hundred--years of shit, Ash.

    The wayward priests are not involved in jihad.

  89. gentile mutilation

    You got it right the first time. See article.

  90. But protection of the unborn child is no longer the "American Way".

    We are at "War with Islam" because of their "barbarity", as opposed to our "civilization", according to bob and the "Friends of the Fount of Civilization".

    That is an argument easily rejected, out of hand.

    Just by the death counts of the innocents that each "side" has accumulated. There is certainly a commonality of disrespect for life, on both sides.

  91. They are not all bad bob, as not all Catholic are pedophiles, unless you follow your and Deuce's logic.

  92. Not all individual muslims are bad, I agree.

    But their book is the shits.

    Too much said by me already.

  93. Gandhi was killed by a Hindu.
    A rather radically extremist Hindu.

    But a Hindu, none the less.
    A death that caused a million more.

  94. lots of bad shit in the bible too bob.

  95. I agree, Ash, you should hear some of the stories my daughter read out of the bible. She goes to a Christian college and religion is a requirement to graduate.

  96. With incest being at the top of the list.

  97. Citing the evils of the Crusades is the usual response from Jesus haters.

    The Bible warns of false prophets and there are and have been many. Many good people have been mislead by false prophets who preach man doctrines and not God's.

    False prophets have been manipulating the Word for a long long time. Catholics, Mooslems, and Protestant denominations and Evangelists have done it(and are still doing it).

    We are being chastized for condemning eeslam when only a few are responsible for the carnage, but those who chastize are the very ones who condemn Christianity for the very same reason. You are a hypocrite.

    That is why people like to group them all together and call them Abrahamic

  98. From God to the Pope to the Priests to the flock. No room for individual interpretation.

    Your logic is lacking. You start from the false assumption that because a priest sins all Catholics are expected to follow their example.

    Where do you come up with this stuff?

    The flock condemns the priests.

    Yet among Muslims and many of their Imams you see large numbers of them justifying murder on the basis of passages in the Koran talking of the "lesser jihad."

    You were right in stating all religions have a history of intolerance and murder in their past. Most of the major ones have grown up.

    When are we supposed to see the Muslims grow up?


  99. gag, you are catching on. Bravo!

    Quirk, the Priest is held in very high esteem by the flock for he represents the word of God (or something like that). Imagine a child, a catholic child, being preached to in private by one of these bad Priests.

  100. Some say that Imam behind the center in New York represents the reform movement of Islam. There are certainly problems in Islam, as there are in all the other major religions.

  101. Catholics believe in personal responsibility.

    The priests sinned and they are condemned for it. I've seen no Catholics excusing it.

    The article Melody posted is one more example of people making excuses for the Muslim whack-jobs.

    The Muslim who commits murder is guilty of murder. Only liberal moraL relevancy can justify it. When the murderer becomes the the victim, it shows the levels we have dropped to.


  102. Ash, you are confused. I am not agreeing with you or any of your past posts on beliefs. I am a follower of Jesus and believe the Bible is God Breathed and true, I get the impression you do not.

    You chastize Deuce for wanting to nuke eeeslam, but you denounce all of Christianity for what a few have done, like the Crusades, for example. You are a hypocrite.

    I caught on a long time ago, unfortunately, you have not.

  103. gag wrote:

    "You chastize Deuce for wanting to nuke eeeslam, but you denounce all of Christianity for what a few have done, like the Crusades, for example. You are a hypocrite."

    again, Gag, Bravo! You are catching on.

    I agree Quirk, murder is murder even when cloaked in religious gobbledygook gook.

  104. the moral superiority of "Western Civilization"

    Moral superiority of course being foreign to the Muslim community, which seems more dedicated to 'educating' an ignorant Western World than tending to their own cultural deficiencies.


    The Muzzies need to be 'interventioned' (polite blog-speak for whacked upside the head) until they straighten up and fly right, which will gradually happen over the next decade or so (I hope) at which point the individual-group theorists will crow about how they were right all along.

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  106. Well, CL, when it comes to being whacked on the head, the folks that are killing 1.3 million innocents each year lead the list of those needing an intervention.

    This should be accomplished well before those that are doing the mass killing of innocents go out and attempt to intervene and "improve" the manners of other folk.

    The Muzzies are not here, in force, trying to change our ways. While we have hundreds of thousands of troops trying to teach them manners.

    It is bankrupting US financially. While we have already bankrupted ourselves morally.

    One foot in front of the other, half stepping all the way to no where.

  107. The pot is calling the kettle black.

    It's absurd, that you would feel that "We" are qualified to intervene in the cultures of others.

    When we are the baby killers, par excellence.

    No one does it better, on our scope and scale. Never before have so many killed their own, with out so much as a "by your leave".

    Guess that wouldn't be prudent.
    Not really fitting parlor conversation.

    Admitting to genocide while claiming moral superiority.
    Even while both the genocide and the false claims of superiority are running rampant, contemporaneously, in "Western" culture and civilization.

    Even the Aztecs did not kill their own.

  108. Ash said...

    Some say that Imam behind the center in New York represents the reform movement of Islam.


    It's very practiced taqiyya is what it is, and kitman or whatever they call it.

    It's a Victory Mosque and a big fuck you to America. It's unbelievable it's even being considered.

  109. I won't discuss a woman's right to chose.

    On the matter of the ME and our presence there, I do not support US policy, whatever it is today.

    I was wrong to support the post 9/11 invasion of Iraq, which I did with enthusiasm. Right about the time of Falluja I quickly sensed an ill-conceived and post-invasion poorly executed misadventure that was doomed to short-term failure. Long-term in Iraq now depends on the Iraqis.

    I will be watching for Congressional approval of the Pickens Plan next month.