“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Wednesday, December 03, 2008

Do any of these people EVER get a real job?

Commerce Secretary? Would you buy a used car from Bill Richardson?

Obama to nominate Richardson for Cabinet

Bill Richardson is New Mexico's governor, former U.N. ambassador
Richardson to be announced as commerce secretary nominee Wednesday

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President-elect Barack Obama plans to nominate New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson to be secretary of commerce, a Democratic source told CNN on Tuesday.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson was a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination this year.

The former Democratic presidential candidate's name has been bandied about as the next head of Commerce.

Obama spoke with Richardson about the position November 14, a senior Democratic source said. The source said Richardson has always been on Obama's list of possibilities for the key Cabinet position.

Richardson, 61, also traveled to Chicago, Illinois, in November to meet with Obama, according to a source.

"He brings to this plate, in particular in an era where the economy is the focus of attention, a lot of skills that could be put to use -- perhaps opening up marketplaces for U.S. products abroad," CNN senior political correspondent Candy Crowley said.

"In New Mexico, he sought to bring in new businesses and to create jobs ... so the Obama team considers this part of the economic team."


  1. White Russians Arise, This Time at a Bowling Alley

    AMONG the significant dates in the history of KahlĂșa, the Mexican coffee liqueur, surely March 6, 1998, rates a mention.

    That was the release date of “The Big Lebowski,” the Coen Brothers movie about an aging slacker who calls himself the Dude, and who, after a thug urinates on his prized rug, becomes caught up in a Chandleresque mystery.

    Played with slouchy brio by Jeff Bridges, the Dude’s chief pursuits involve bowling, avoiding work and drinking White Russians, the sweet cocktail made with vodka, KahlĂșa and cream or milk.

  2. REAL job?


    "I've never worked a day in my life."

    Senator Edward Kennedy

    (I heard him say it.)

  3. Maybe we'll really luck out, Doug. Maybe Obamer will get the ax from the Supreme Court, and there will be so much chaos, nothing at all will get done for two years.

  4. Roger, I copy your location as Area 51, per usual!

  5. Think we'll have better luck w/phones and faxes.

  6. The Supremes will pass, totally, on the Obamasan elegibiliy or declare him viable, one or the other.

    The Republican Comprehensive Immigration Bill will be introduced and passed. Arpaio will build the fence, securing the border. When that happens, more than half of the opposition to reform will evaporate.

    Newt's polling on the subject is informative. Looks like Obamasan's folks have made note of Newt's work. No one here even wants to discuss it. Leaving Team Obama the center, right and left of the field to play on, unopposed.

    McCain has promised Immigration Reform, a man of character, he will deliver.

    Country First, boys, Country First!

  7. Harry will be impressed by a bunch of phone n fax from disgruntled Republicans, like, for sure.

    I'll take Area 51 and the US Supreme Court. The odds are better in each case.

  8. Not Harry, your Honor, everybody else.

  9. The American people want to increase the number of visas for highly-educated immigrants or those with special skills, the so-called H1B and H2B visas. (63 to 29)

    The American people believe border control is a security issue. Terrorists are trying to enter the United States illegally. (86 to 12)

    Illegal immigrants who commit felonies should be deported. (88 to 10)

    There should be a worker visa program making it easier for people to work legally in the United States. (83 to 16)

  10. December 2, 2008
    By Cliff Kincaid

    On the Fox News program Hannity & Colmes Monday night, analyst Dick Morris made the absolutely critical point that President Bush has taken the country so far to the left, in terms of his socialist-style Wall Street bailout program and his integration of the U.S. economy into a new emerging international financial order, that anything Barack Obama does in this area seems almost mainstream. This is because what we were expecting from Obama we are now getting from Bush. So Obama doesn't look so radical anymore.

  11. Neighbor's A1 Market in Lewiston has broken the magic $1.50 barrier on gas prices---$1.49/gallon!

  12. Team Obama is not a clone of Team43, they will not be stopped with calls to Harry.
    There are fewer GOP Senators to intimidate, not enough to even filibuster the effort. McCain and Kyl, Saxby Chambliss and Lydsey Graham are already committed, to reform.

  13. The Republicans have delivered the Nation to the Federal Socialists, even Dick Morris agrees.

    Tied a ribbon around it, they did.

    Team Obama will be the third term of the Bush Administration, ain't that funny.

  14. Arpaio will build the fence, securing the border. When that happens, more than half of the opposition to reform will evaporate.

    The fence could have been in place two years ago, with the same affect on reform.

    Not arguing. Just observing.

  15. If you liked GW Bush, why then Obama will suit you, just fine.

    More of the same, is one the way.

    Staying the course!

  16. But, lineman, Bush was in office, then.

    Obama is more pragmatic, he'll build the fence AND open the border. Bush liked the gray labor market economy, it is extensive in Texas and Arkansas.

    Obama, an urban citizen, is not so enthralled by those that avoid paying their fair share of taxes.

  17. Look at Newt's polling, the answers are there.

    Secure the border = 86 to 12
    More workers allowed in = 83 to 16

    There is your winning position

  18. The electorate did not believe that Bush would build the fence.

    Their instincts right on target, if Obama assigns that task to Sheriff Joe Arpaio, that misgiving evaporates.

  19. No doubt some will still insist Carter was worse than Bush:
    At least we were still a capitalist country amneable to RR's fixes.
    Who could reverse what Bush has done? a multitude of areas.

  20. With a secure border, the new arrivals can be controlled, their friends already here can be sorted out for legal amnesty, or not, and the burden on the tax payers can be reduced by legitimizing the labor pool. Absent that border control, it's chaos.

    If you're looking for an argument, I'm not likely to give it.

  21. And there's blame to be shared among both parties and with Congress as well as just Bush.

  22. What was the date of Newt's poll, 'Rat?
    ...when the Depression gets deeper, perhaps the desire for "more workers" will evaporate?

    Wouldn't 10 percent unemployment have an effect?

  23. I saw something not long ago to that effect, Doug.

  24. Yes, the credit for the current situation goes beyond Mr Bush.

    That he did so poorly with the reform issue, he and McCain, boded ill for the General Election, as proved the case. There was a break down of trustworthiness in the GOP leadership by their own base.

    Newt's latest work indicates that almost NO ONE will argue with that position, lineman.

    Secure the border, let in the workers, legally.

  25. Solutions Day 2008 Polling
    A survey on the economy, energy, health, and education of 1,000 likely voters nationwide was fielded from September 16 to 21 during the time the $700 billion bailout was first proposed.

  26. No, doug, 10% unemployment would have little effect, at either the top or the bottom of the labor market.

    One is either an engineer or scientist type, or not.
    Same with lettuce pickers.

    It could put the squeeze upon migrants in the construction trades, but who is building, now?

  27. You figure they'll stop @ Worker Permits?
    My guess is their goal is full citizenship.
    ...for all Undocumented Residents.

  28. Eventually, sure doug.

    That pathway will be there.

    As it was for Swedes, Irish and Italians, that migrated. Even the Chinese and Koreans.

    All Americans, now. The Mexicans, they start off believing they are Americans, at birth, already.

  29. ",,,Swedes, Irish and Italians, that migrated. Even the Chinese and Koreans.

    All Americans, now. The Mexicans, they start off believing they are Americans, at birth, already."
    These days, arriving Mexicans don't speak English.
    ...unlike Swedes, Irish Italians, and Krauts.

  30. Many of the Italians and others did not speak English, doug.
    My grandfather learned both Spanish and Polish as a Union organizer, in Chicago's steel mills, back in the day.

    The workers did not speak English, but their native tongues.

    For the Italians he held English classes at his house. Kind of a community organizor, he was.

  31. The Chinese and Koreans, doug?

    The Koreans know some English, but the Korean lady that works at Walmart, her English is almost nonexistent.

    The Chinese that built the transcontinental railroad, they spoke no English, but their descendents are full citizens, now.

  32. ...but people were not denied employment for speaking Enlish back in those cases, nor were 20 Million people welcomed in one large group.

    ...Nor are schools required to teach Chinese, Korean, and etc.

  33. All true, doug.

    But not the issue at hand.
    Those that have tried to conserve that part of the Americam idea, have lost.

    The annexation of 110 million Spanish speakers, into the free trade zone of North America ended the English only aspects of America. You're right it was to big a bite to absorb, without modification to the core.

  34. But no matter, the clock will not reset to the era of Cleaver family values.

    It is a new America that marches forward.

  35. Grandfather spoke Swedish, learned English. My aunts still spoke a little Swedish, once in a while. I don't know a word of it. There was never any thought of keeping the old language in our group.

    We need an English language amendment these days, which the majority of the people support, I have read.

  36. Again, Newt tells US where we're at

    English should be the official language of government. (87 to 11)

    All election ballots and other government documents should be printed in English. (74 to 23)

    New immigrants should be required to learn English. (83 to 17)

    Government should offer intensive English language instruction to all who need it, including stipends to help immigrants attend the programs. (83 to 15)

    Businesses should be able to require employees to speak the English language while on the job. (80 to 17)

  37. It looks to me, if we just did what most people want, we'd be a hell of a lot better off, in most things.

  38. No one in my family speaks Italian, bob.

    But, tell me, whose loss is that, in both families, really?

    That we have lost that knowledge,
    is it something we should celebrate?

    Or mourn.

  39. Probably mourn, but I'm not good at that -- learning other languages is hard for me. I used to be able to read the Mexico City newspapers is all the further I got. But a country needs one language to really stick together. For those that are good at it, they should go for it, by all means.

    By the way, I mentioned the carry a short barreled shotgun on the levee idea to my wife, and, surprise, she wasn't really put off by the idea. I just can't imagine it, though :)

  40. And here, bob, is the core support for the Obama Civilian Corps, with a slight marketing spin.

    The Department of Homeland Security and other government agencies should develop programs to teach Americans what they can do as individuals to help in the fight against terror. (82 to 13)

  41. That is an easy, inexpensive solution, bob, to her lack of confidence in her surrondings. Especially in a rural/suburban setting.

    lineman goes with a heavier load and more of it, but his is an offensive mindset.

    For your wife, a 20 gauge with #6 or #8 shot would do fine.

  42. westhawk's newest thread puts US, using the habu Standard, at war with Russia, along with China, now, too.

    A four front 'long war', with no victory on the horizon, is that the Bush legacy?

    There are still over sixty days for Mr Bush to expand it to a five front war, he just has to order an attack on Iran.

  43. “I cannot see it diminishing, the senator answered. “ I can’t overstate the impact she had down here. All these folks did a great job, they all allowed us to add momentum, but when she walks in a room, folks just explode. She’s a dynamic lady, a great administrator, and I think she’s got a great future in the Republican Party.”

    Chambliss Thanks Sarah Palin

  44. Japan and GM ExecutivesGM executives should follow Japan's custom: commit hari-kari for their failures and as a condition for government bail-out. Forget selling corporate jets or $1/ year compensation for the CEO; a good gutting is a more convincing first-step towards sincerity.

    maggie's farm

  45. What's the great enterprise that all the Mexicans are needed for?

  46. Changing the linens at the short stay motel/re-charging station, every 150 miles.

    And the need to replace the 40 million Americans that were aborted, since 1973.

    Need replace those bodies that were discarded, over the past 35 years.

  47. Changing the linens at the short stay motel/re-charging station, every 150 miles.


    Swap stations.

  48. Sharp drop in Vancouver home sales, 70% to be exact. Seems the Chinese have decided to stay home, at least for this year.

  49. At the National Journal a fellow named Charlie Cook tells us about

    Two Top Republican Strategists Offer Their Advice To Get The Party Back On Track

    A second, equally experienced Republican pollster put his four tough-love suggestions like this:

    "First, walk the walk on the ethics stuff. Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Ted Stevens, Vito Fossella -- these guys seem to think they are entitled. We ought to be the ones cleaning house.

    "Second, Republicans ought to be the ones really starting to get creative on the energy issue. We ought to be putting our best thinking into coming up with strategies and new ideas on this issue. It isn't going away, and we have to get out in front on it.

    "Third, focus on regaining our advantage on technology. We had our heads handed to us on the Internet campaign, e-campaigning, etc. We need to focus on developing new technological methodologies for communicating with voters.

    "Fourth, stop being [misguided] on immigration. We are alienating huge parts of the electorate, we are turning our primaries into single issue 'hate' contests and ignoring the single fastest growing bloc of voters in the country."

    The first fellow was a tad long winded, to cut and paste. Read it for yourselves, if you're a mind to.

  50. What would happen if roving gunmen infiltrated U.S. cities and started shooting? Most U.S. police departments aren't well prepared to deal with such "active shooters," as they're called. Police are trained to cordon off an area that's under attack and then call in a paramilitary SWAT team to root out the gunmen. But what if the attackers keep moving and shooting? The response can be haphazard, as was clear in such disparate incidents as the 2002 Beltway sniper attacks in the Washington area and last year's massacre at Virginia Tech.

    "Mumbai is a worst-case 'active shooter' problem," says a former CIA officer who helped organize a DHS pilot program on the subject last summer for police chiefs. "It had multiple shooters, multiple locations, mobile threats, willingness to fight the first responders and follow-on SWAT/commando units, well-equipped and well-trained operatives, and a willingness to die. Police department commanders in America should be scratching their heads and praying."

    Forewarned is forearmed, and the Mumbai attacks are a powerful demonstration of the danger for cities around the world. The reason to discuss such threats isn't to feed anti-terrorism hysteria. There was far too much of that fear-mongering and spasmodic reaction after Sept. 11, which had the effect of destabilizing the United States almost as much as it did its enemies. The challenge is to understand the adversary so that if an attack comes, the authorities will respond with cool heads and steady aim.

    david ignatius

  51. By Julian E. Barnes
    December 3, 2008

    Reporting from Washington -- Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said he accepted President-elect Barack Obama's approach to scheduled troop reductions in Iraq, arguing Tuesday that the hotly debated subject of timelines for withdrawal largely had been settled by a new U.S.-Iraq security agreement.

    "That bridge has been crossed," Gates said a day after he formally agreed to remain as Obama's Defense secretary. "And so the question is: How do we do this in a responsible way?"
    He also said that closing the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, would be a high priority, but could require new legislation, such as a measure preventing former detainees from seeking asylum in the United States.

    And Gates said that the next request for emergency war funding, an estimated $83 billion, would be delivered to Congress in a matter of weeks. If approved, it would bring the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to about $947 billion.

    Obama assembled an experienced team of strong-willed national security experts, and Gates said that he expected there would be differences of opinion. But he emphasized that Obama would make the big strategic decisions.

  52. Richardson would look right at home in this pic

  53. Sheriff Joe Arpaio on New Reality TV Show

    EFE, Posted: Nov 25, 2008

    LOS ANGELES -- A new Fox Reality TV show called "Smile... You're Under Arrest!" will feature Joe Arpaio, sheriff of Arizona's Maricopa County, as he and his team arrest fugitives in sting operations, reports EFE. Lisa Allen, spokesperson for the Maricopa County sheriff's office, said the program "is based on undercover operations to capture people who already have arrest orders against them." The television show will air on Sundays on Fox Reality Channel, beginning on Dec. 27. Arpaio, known for his tough stance on immigration, has conducted operation in cities such as Phoenix, Mesa and Guadalupe that have led to the arrest of dozens of undocumented immigrants.

  54. Grandfather spoke Swedish, learned English. My aunts still spoke a little Swedish, once in a while. I don't know a word of it.

    I can teach you enough to get your face slapped in Rockford and make you PNG at family reunions.

  55. ...lineman goes with a heavier load and more of it, but his is an offensive mindset.


  56. The only Swedish I know is "jag orca inta"--though I don't know about the spelling. It means "I just can't do it" or some such. Remember that from my aunt.

    Today I just made the last payment on my farm. 25 year loan. Lord, my aching bones.

  57. Congratulations, Bob. Cause for a celebration.

  58. First they were accused of not wanting to fight. Then they were blamed for failing in their main mission to train the Afghan police.


    German Tornado aircraft are limited to unarmed reconaissance.


    A trial is currently underway in the German courts following an incident in which German soldiers opened fire on a car that approached a checkpoint believing it contained a suicide bomb - several civilians died in the incident.

    Too Fat to Fight

  59. Bobal: Today I just made the last payment on my farm. 25 year loan. Lord, my aching bones.

    Just in time for Barack "Mugabe" Obama to take it away from you and organize a community on it. Where else the $14,000 a year strawberry pickers gonna live now that they had a foreclosure on their $720,000 sub-prime McMansion?

  60. Strawberry Fields forever, Ruby.

    ...nothing is real...


    Congrats, Bob! Drinks on you! :-)

  61. Richardson's path to the Obama Cabinet has been long and winding. While serving in the House, he earned a reputation as a diplomatic troubleshooter.

    President Bill Clinton gave him two Cabinet posts, first ambassador to the United Nations and later secretary of energy. Richardson then went home to win the governorship of New Mexico.

    Hispanic leaders lobbied Obama on behalf of Richardson, arguing that Hispanic voters were a vital part of the winning coalition.

    Winding Path to Cabinet

  62. "There is no indication of any foul play at this point"---San Francisco Police Department

    Jewish Doc Dead At Bottom Of Elevator Shaft

    But, no foul 'play', say coppers. Riiiight. There were three elevators, and a stairway. The guy had been taking arabic language classes, which were 'cancelled' that night. The elevator that was malfunctioning (which he was found at the bottom of) was sealed and locked. He was an athlete, he could have walked down the stairs. But, instead of walking down, or taking one of the other two elevators, he must have clawed his way into the one that was sealed and locked, and somehow threw himself down 7 stories.

    "No murder here, move on, move on."

  63. Bangkok - The first commercial flight in a week arrived in Bangkok yesterday as anti-government protesters ended their siege of the country's two main airports. Thousands of jubilant protesters streamed out of Suvarnabhumi Airport in cars and trucks, while others cleaned up the mess that had accumulated during their week-long takeover.


    Kinshasa - Two mass graves that the Democratic Republic of Congo's government said last week contained 2 000 bodies were actually full of animal bones. Veterinarians have confirmed that the bones were not human.


    Hong Kong - The toxic chemical melamine has been found in another Chinese brand of eggs, Hong Kong authorities said yesterday, as the food safety scandal continued to spread to China's wider food chain. The eggs came from a farm in Dehui City in China's north-eastern Jilin Province and were distributed through a local importer.

    World Briefs

  64. CLIMATE TERRORISM: The Tar Sands

  65. Bringing Back DC

  66. Hawaii Joins Better Place Electric Car Network
    ARTICLE DATE: 12.03.08
    By Steven Volynets, TechnoRide

    Hawaii joined California Tuesday as the second state in the nation to link to the Better Place network of plug-in electric vehicles.

    The plan was presented by Governor Linda Lingle and Shai Agassi, Founder and CEO of California-based Better Place, as a scaled model for the adoption of battery-powered transport nationwide.

    Better Place, a venture-backed company designed to reduce demands on petroleum through infrastructure favoring electric cars, says that Hawaii residents, who pay some of the highest gasoline prices in the U.S., will see the first batch of electric cars, along with a network of charging stations, within 18 months ahead of the 2012 mass-market availability.

    "Hawaii, with its ready access to renewable energy resources like solar, wind, wave and geothermal, is the ideal location to serve as a blueprint for the rest of the U.S. in terms of reducing our dependence on foreign oil, growing our renewable energy portfolio and creating an infrastructure that will stabilize our economy," said Agassi.

    Last month, the mayors of San Francisco, San Jose, and Oakland announced that they too would partner with Better Place for a series of initiatives aimed at making the region the electric vehicle capital of the U.S. by 2012.,1217,a%253D234578,00.asp

    No pedaling downhill for you, Doug!

  67. Man Says Wife Was Accidentally Shot During Sex

    Says Gun Went Off Accidentally

    SPRINGFIELD, Ohio -- A Tri-State woman is in critical condition Wednesday after police say her husband shot her while they were having sex.

    Timothy Havens, 38, told Springfield police he was reaching for something on the nightstand when the pistol went off, hitting his estranged wife Carolyn in the upper chest. (Hear part of the 911 call)


    His arrest Tuesday for the weekend shooting was for violating a civil protection order that Carolyn had taken out against him earlier this year.

  68. We have one station here at $1.47 9/10. How long will these lower gas prices(10% ethanol) last? I'm thinking of buying a fuel tank, and filling it up.

    Diesel $2.69 I think it said.

  69. Wonder what he was reaching for?

  70. Maybe her copy of the protection order :)

  71. "Here honey, won't you tear this up now?"


  72. Timothy Havens, 38, told Springfield police he was reaching for something on the nightstand when the pistol went off, hitting his estranged wife Carolyn in the upper chest.

    Poor prior planning is no excuse for piss poor performance.

  73. Poor devil.

    Got the toy mixed up with the pistol.

    Happens all the time, I hear. Accidental shootings of estranged spouses during sex.

  74. They're both luckier than the Madera County lady Deputy Sheriff and her handcuffed prisoner. The prisoner was acting violent in the back seat of the squad car and wouldn't quiet down. She tried to tase him into submission, but got her 9mm out instead. Blew him away. Madera County will be paying for that little dominance/submission scenario for a long time.


  76. I've always said women shouldn't be cops. Can't tell the difference between a taser and a 9mm.


  77. I'm thinking of buying a fuel tank, and filling it up.

    Can you still have those steel tanks on legs in Idaho, Bob?

    Unapproved underground tanks and unprotected elevated tanks are illegal in CA. The alternative is to buy one of those massive reinforced concrete shielded things with electrical pumps and exotic venting and return lines and all that green shit required by our nanny state enviro bleeding heart regulators. Bless them.

  78. And, that's after weeks of professional training.

  79. I'm not sure, Linear. When I was going good I had 4500 gallons undergroung. But was forced to take the tanks out, as they didn't have the stuff underneath.

    Dr. Bill says it's all b.s., and I think he's right. Rules pushed all the independent mom and pop stations out of business. A little diesel or gas spill doesn't hurt anything, at least not for long. Farm chemicals are a more serious issue. I used to dump the tractor oil right in the field, would grow fine there the next year.

    I still see tanks on legs around, so I quess they are still ok. Unless they are just empty left overs.

    I was thinking a couple of 150 gallon tanks in the back of the old Ford F-600.

  80. Guy was hoping for a little taste o' the taser, got the 9mm instead.

  81. I remember dad, told him to just fill 'er up at my fuel dump anytime, but don't use the pump to the south. He had a gas VW at the time. Sure enough, he put diesel in it the very first time, and the first time was the last time, for him. He got maybe a mile, before the car quit.

  82. Ahhh. Ya had to mention old Ford trucks.

    My '65 sprung a radiator leak this afternoon while I was cutting firewood. Breaks my heart. That was about 15 minutes after my chainsaw broke. Gonna hang it up and head for Arkansas pretty quick. Mom just turned 94 and would like some company. I'll get to the truck and saw repairs next spring.

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  84. US gov wants control over access to the internet. Outgoing FCC chairman bundles the scheme as "free Web access for all".

  85. You could borrow your son's new F-150!

  86. I saw a picture today of a Detroit auto-exec driving to DC in a mid-sized sedan instead of using his corporate plane.

    What a fucking farce.

    Harry and Maxine and Nancy and that fat toothless faggot gummer from Mass, what's-his-name, Barney, and Chris and Wax-man...Barbara, Diane, etc. They got all the executives dancing to their tune. None of those asshats could run a lemonade stand.

    I see the UAW has offered a concession of a deferred payment into their union managed health care program. I have a suggestion. Why don't they accept the same health care package the Congressionals have instead of life time full coverage for free. Oh, wait a minute. That is the same health care package the Congressionals have. Scratch that idea.

  87. You could borrow your son's new F-150!

    It's a Tacoma, but as a matter of fact, he offered to haul the wood for me with his "new" truck. Problem is there's no wood because the chainsaw is broken. Shock mount spring snapped. It's time to head for the Ozarks anyhow.

  88. GM and the UAW just need to hang on until we all have 'free' universal national health care, then they won't have the health care to budget for.

  89. The people over at TexasDarlin' can't understand why the media is paying no attention to the seventeen lawsuits filed against Obama, and I can't understand it either. It's not enough to say they think the suits are crap, when covering them would sell copy. Some of them think there is some intimidation, or other factor going on. The Liddy Show is the only outlet that has covered it at all. Beats me.

  90. Well at least Pravda is covering the story :)

  91. The new guys at work say, "Who is G. Gordon Liddy?" Which makes me officially old.