WASHINGTON, Jan. 13 — The Pentagon has been using a little-known power to obtain banking and credit records of hundreds of Americans and others suspected of terrorism or espionage inside the United States, part of an aggressive expansion by the military into domestic intelligence gathering.The NY Times did not reveal how this issue first came to their attention, but this paragraph from the article raised my eyebrows.
The C.I.A. has also been issuing what are known as national security letters to gain access to financial records from American companies, though it has done so only rarely, intelligence officials say.
Banks, credit card companies and other financial institutions receiving the letters usually have turned over documents voluntarily, allowing investigators to examine the financial assets and transactions of American military personnel and civilians, officials say.
The F.B.I., the lead agency on domestic counterterrorism and espionage, has issued thousands of national security letters since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, provoking criticism and court challenges from civil liberties advocates who see them as unjustified intrusions into Americans’ private lives.
But it was not previously known, even to some senior counterterrorism officials, that the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency have been using their own “noncompulsory” versions of the letters. Congress has rejected several attempts by the two agencies since 2001 for authority to issue mandatory letters, in part because of concerns about the dangers of expanding their role in domestic spying.
Some Democrats have accused the F.B.I. of using the letters for fishing expeditions, and the American Civil Liberties Union won court challenges in two cases, one for library records in Connecticut and the other for Internet records in Manhattan. Concerned about possible abuses, Congress imposed new safeguards in extending the Patriot Act last year, in part by making clear that recipients of national security letters could contact a lawyer and seek court review. Congress also directed the Justice Department inspector general to study the F.B.I.’s use of the letters, a review that is continuing.Speaking of fishing expeditions, the Democrats will soon begin 15 separate "oversight" hearings. You don't suppose someone leaked this story, do you?
Any good leftist, especially those in Europe, will tell you that GW Bush like his predecessor Ronald Reagan has transformed "Amerika into a gulag." Things have gotten so bad that one human rights organization reported this news from Human Rights Watch:
NEW YORK, Jan 12 (OneWorld) - The Bush administration's failure to address international human rights concerns has prompted an unusual call from one of the world's leading human rights organizations.With U.S. credibility undermined by the use of torture and detention without trial, the European Union must fill the global leadership void on human rights, New York-based Human Rights Watch said Thursday in releasing its World Report 2007. "Since the U.S. can't provide credible leadership on human rights, European countries must pick up the slack," said the organization's executive director Kenneth Roth, who observed that instead, "the European Union is punching well below its weight."
Natalie Maines, like countless others including Martina Navratilova and Venezuelan Vice President Jose Rangel have tried to warn the American public but we will not listen. With the new management in Congress, all that's going to change now. When the left talks, the Democrats listen and they will make sure the whole country is listening too. By the time, the Democrats are done with GW Bush and the Republicans you'll feel like your head is going to explode. Go on and buy your duct tape now.
Jose Rangel? You mean Charlie Rangel's brother?ReplyDelete
I've had a huge supply of duct tape for a long time now.
Democrats (all of them, including the voters) are like Islam. They claim to be valid in some way but aren't. At best they're only troublemakers.
Problem is, the Repubs are copying their technique.
In other words, if the Times article is true you can't really break it down into Liberal-Conservative, Democrat-Republican.ReplyDelete
Neither group cares much about our personal freedoms.
I'm all for hunting down the bad guys but not for the continuing loss of personal freedom. Sometimes I wonder who our government is fighting - Us or Them!?!
Just who are these "military and civilian personnel" having their financial data scrutinized?ReplyDelete
How many of them are Muslim? How many of have a name like Muhammed? How are we keeping track of Saudi money? How about groups like C.A.I.R.? How about large Muslim concentrations such as Detroitistan? How about all these illegal aliens streaming across the border?
Not much trust in the "system" anymore - is there?!?
Tiger said, "Democrats (all of them, including the voters) are like Islam. They claim to be valid in some way but aren't."ReplyDelete
So are you saying that only Republicans have valid votes? Is America now a one-party system like Cuba?
"At best they're only troublemakers."
It seems to me the whole Iraq Nationbuilding/Democracy Experiment is trouble of the GOP's own making.
No, I'm saying ther's not a dimes worth difference between the two!ReplyDelete
America has a multiple party system. Trouble is, all the parties seem to be broken.
And yes, the GOP is causing much trouble.
I think the system is broken because our society is broken.ReplyDelete
Don't ask me what to do to fix it - 'cause I don't really know where to start!
I can believe something is broken but still work to fix it, without claiming I have all the answers.ReplyDelete
Perhaps we can start by initiating a grass-roots movement to reduce the size of the Federal government. Many of our problems seem to start there.
If you're like me, my local government and "life" are pretty darn good. It's when the Feds get involved that things go sour.
Since I've stated the "political system" is broken maybe we should ignore that approach and do something else!?! What's the definition of insanity? Doing it over and over again ....
Well, sure, the "new" folks are going to ask questions about how this FUBARed TWAT came to pass.ReplyDelete
Lessons Learned will not be, if no questions are asked. Will the questions be "fair" or obstructionist?
Does not much matter, really.
The truth is that all these years of the Administration's lack of communication skills are coming home to roost. The Public has lost faith with the President and the whole of the Federal Government. The Dems will further erode the Public's confidence in the ability of the Federals to do anything, effectively.
But as tiger says, neither side is in the "Right".
Thousands of miles of unsecure frontier, both at home and abroad. A thousand points of Federal largess, the priorities of the Federals are totally misplaced.
Any Librarian can tell you so.
We like to say we haven't been attacked by Terrorists in the last few years.ReplyDelete
Guess what, we've been "attacked" by the Feds. They're almost as bad as the Terrorists!
It seems that Elijah was right.ReplyDelete
This Kurdish General says that two brigades will be brought to bear against the Mahdi Army in Baghdad.
BAGHDAD, Iraq — A Kurdish army brigade from northern Iraq is undergoing intensive urban combat training for deployment to Baghdad, where it expects to take on the Mahdi Army Shiite militia, its commander said Saturday.
Meanwhile, three Iraqi generals told The Associated Press that the Iraqi commander who will lead the Baghdad security mission was the government's second choice and only got the job after the U.S. military objected to the first officer named to the post by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
Underscoring the difficulties in taming Iraq's surging violence, at least 48 people were killed or found dead nationwide on Saturday, including a Sunni cleric who was shot to death near his home in Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad.
In the northern city of Irbil, Brig. Gen. Nazir Assem Korran, commander of the 1st Infantry Brigade, 2nd Division of the Iraqi army, said "we will head to Baghdad soon. We have 3,000 soldiers who are currently undergoing intensive training especially in urban combat and how the army should act inside a city."
Korran told the AP he did not know how the operation would unfold but said the Defense Ministry had asked his brigade to take part in the security operation along with thousands of other Iraqi and U.S. troops.
The forces were to conduct neighborhood-to-neighborhood searches to clear the city of Sunni Muslim insurgents and local militias such as the Mahdi Army of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who has been an ally of al-Maliki.
"We are going to confront any terrorist elements or militias. We will confront any outlaws," the general said. He did not name the Mahdi Army, but the Shiite militia is blamed for much of the capital's sectarian killing and is the only true militia presence in Baghdad.
Tiger said, "Perhaps we can start by initiating a grass-roots movement to reduce the size of the Federal government. Many of our problems seem to start there."ReplyDelete
Unfortunately, the only part of the Federal Government that ever gets reduced is the Defense Department, even under Bush 43 at a time when they're calling for a troop surge. They're gutting the Navy to pay for Operation Build Iraq Nation, and they're going to let 40,000 Air Force pukes go to pay for new airplanes.
give me an example of losing personal freedom. What have you lost, exactly?
They can peel my skin back all they want if it means providing safety from the U.S./Christian haters.
You have to admit, we havent been attacked since 9-11 on our soil. Someone, somewhere, is doing something right....I hope they keep doing it.
Guys, I think something is going on. In the first fourteen days of the month U.S. Fatalities are given as 7 (I reported 9 the other day but two of those took place in Dec.) This is compared to over 100 in December.ReplyDelete
Gag, sorry, had to leave the 'puter for a while.ReplyDelete
I can't go to some parts of town where I live, daytime or night now, just because of illegal gang members shooting people and selling drugs. The Feds did that.
My wife is a Teacher at the local high school. Her life is threatened about once a week or so, by illegal immigrants usually, or kids from illegal parents. Also, the curriculum has become very Spanish oriented, not Judaic-Christian European (the way I like it). The Feds did that.
If I go to my local gun show at the Fair grounds, it's likely an BATFE agent will harass me and perhaps confiscate my purchased firearm from me, as was done in Virginia awhile back. The Feds did that. It was also a Federal Judge, thank goodness, that made the BATFE give the guns back to those folks because they were illegally taken!
I go to my local polling station to vote and nobody at the station speaks English. Also, they ask for my I.D. but not for all those Hispanics in line. No, the Feds aren't responsible necessarily for that, but they sure help with their lack of enforcement.
Will I be one of those people whose finances are investigated - even if I'm not involved with Terrorism? How will I know?
My local property taxes go for that school my wife teaches at. My taxes, Federal and local go to my local hospitals to care for illegals and their dependents.
Mt taxes go the Feds for that damn Hispanic school and to agencies such as the border patrol that's doing such a wonderful job, and for those N.G. guys who are placed on the border with impossible ROE's.
Now, they're talking about giving our S.Security to illegals.
... give me some time, I'll come up with lots more.
In short, the FEDS CAN EAT SHIT AND DIE! IT'S TIME WE BEGIN TO MAKE IT SMALLER AND LESS OBTRUSIVE.
Oh! Also, my wife teaches an I.B. course or two. If you don't know what that is, it's an International Baccalaureate program once based on American military schools for dependent's children. Once, an excellent program, in other words. Because of the Fed Dept. Education's influence it has been watered down and now even requires a section on learning Islamic culture!ReplyDelete
Read my blog entries over the years and you'll see how the NEA has influenced the U.S. Dept. of Education, Laura Bush's favorite organization. The Feds did that. Government schools have arguably gotten worse and worse!
The Tigress is still harrassed, after 30 years of teaching, because she's not a UNION member. The Feds helped with this monstrous debacle of an education system.
Her career is threathened over and over again because of P.C. conserns, also arguably supported by the Feds and Federal law!
My son is 20 years old and may join the military. I would be proud of him, but I won't be proud if he dies because some idiot Feds won't allow him to actually FIGHT the G.W.O.T.!
I haven't killed anything in a while and i'm getting REALLY PISSED now! It's time to GO TO THE GUN RANGE AND WASTE A FEW ROUNDS ON MY AK!ReplyDelete
GAG! Perhaps you don't know what life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness means, but it AINT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW!ReplyDelete
THIS could be part of it. Maybe, they're in the middle of a Redeployment?ReplyDelete
I was wondering the same thing. What's up with causalities down. CentCom keeps issuing press releases trumpeting Iraqi Forces operations.
From your link, it appears the bad guys are leaving town. Why didn't we get them on the way out?
Personal freedoms are eroding. I have been a teacher for over 25 years. I am angry that I have to pay for my fingerprints to renew my teaching certificate although I have never committed a crime. My freedom is further affected on my domicle where I am told how many pets I may have-although I own and do not rent my home.ReplyDelete
I could not have a hot water heater installed without a permit, and I cannot paint my house, nor add anything from screening to a new front door without approval from a homeowners association.
There is a Gay Club at the high school I teach at. The social studies department never talks about the Christian roots of America. Social studies teachers will not even stand up during the pledge of allegiance, and teach anarchy and socialism. The union pressures me to join them, but I believe all a teacher union does is protect bad teachers and give money to the demofascists.
Mr. Tiger, I feel deeply for the spouses of teachers. God bless you and your wife and everyone who tries to teach Truth, justice and the American way!
Whit, remember we did kill a whole shi-pot full of them in Diyala the other day. We dropped two full bomb bay (B-1's) on their heads. That's a lot of firecrackers.ReplyDelete
Look, I'm not saying it's all sweetness and light from here on out. There's a lot of reasons why casualties can fluctuate. Some meaningful, some not so much.ReplyDelete
However, "Metrics IS Metrics;" We have to go on something. Maybe the Sunnis are pulling back their support for the AQ/insurgents. Maybe, the pressure on terrorist funding is having an effect. Maybe, the Iraqi Army/Police is getting better.
It would be a shame to miss a good thing because we were busy crying over something that went bad.
Tony Snow brought up something to Hugh Hewitt. He said that last month while the Media was reporting that we lost 100 soldiers and Marines,ReplyDelete
WE KILLED OR CAPTURED 5,000 OF THE "SCUM BAGS."
The Media didn't report the gigantic Ass-Whipping we gave the North Vietnamese dure TET, either.
WE KILLED OR CAPTURED 5,000 OF THE "SCUM BAGS."ReplyDelete
And yet, rufus, no mention from the President of a political strategy that, in the real world, must attatch to that body count.
Personally, I'd like to know why State hasn't stepped up to the plate - the political end being their bailliwick. Better perhaps, in the case of Iraq, to be MIA.ReplyDelete
None of the Captured count, rufus.ReplyDelete
There is only capacity to hold 25,000 detainees, in Iraq. For each new one in, there is another one released.
How many are dead, that's the only number that counts.
Been that way for years.
No Justice, No Peace
The use of Social Security numbers for identification purposes.
Iris scans of school children for identifcation purposes.
Just two expansions of Federal power that limit personal freedoms.
This desire for a National ID card, which will come full circle with "Immigration Reform".
The Federal Income Tax
12 million illegal migrants in the US, limiting fair employment opportunities for Citizens.
Property siezures without due process, usually used in drug related cases.
Ruby Ridge where a mother was killed with babe in arms, because of the sale of a sawed off shotgun.
Waco, where the children were burned alive to save them from Cultish abuse.
Legalized abortion, the ultimate limitation of the freedoms for over 20 million US citizens to be.
Well, it still looks to me like something might be happening. Not "Perfect," but Something.ReplyDelete
Funny, we've killed as many US citizens as there could be illegal aliens in the US.ReplyDelete
Social Engineering on a Hempisheric Scale.
All for the best, I'm sure.
well, rufus, if something is not happening, that would be the story.ReplyDelete
Something ought to be happening, it is the success of those happenings that is all important.
Success will be measured when the US begins to withdraw, until then there will be no success.
Even the Administration allows withdrawal to be the benchmarked Goal.
Rat, didn't you sleep good, last night? You're not off of your "Meds" again, are you?ReplyDelete
Go take a nap, feller; you sound all tuckered out. :)
Won't be long now and we'll be seing an influx of middle class and wealthy south americanos from the social chaos comig to some of those areas soon. The destitute, the middle class, the wealthy, all will be wanting to come here. I need some meds too.ReplyDelete
Hope you are right about some hopeful signs in Iraq, Rufus.
Oh, you don't like the Federal Government? You'll Love This Article.ReplyDelete
I knew "Congress" was Expensive, but, who knew it was THIS Expensive?
Bob, I look at Iraq as being like a "Teenager;" it's going to break your heart every other day. Whether it grows up to be a worthwhile enterprise we'll just have to wait and see.ReplyDelete
Some more interesting numbers, and a well-done chart from Willisms.ReplyDelete
This is the most "Amazing" chart of all. Of the $6 Trillion Dollars that "FLOWED" from country, to country, last year, EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT (85%) CAME TO THE UNITED STATES!!ReplyDelete
Bush Has Managed To Divide and Conquer Mideast--Edward Luttwak--WSJ--at Real Clear Politics--interesting perspective.ReplyDelete
Rat has what Bill Buckley once called a running distemper.ReplyDelete
Buckley used it not without fondness.
You're right, Bob; it's an interesting article.ReplyDelete
Me, I've gone from Manic-Depressive to plain Batshit Crazy.ReplyDelete
Please, Lord, No More Mohammedan Wars. PUHLEEZE!
"No More Mohammedan Wars. PUHLEEZE!"ReplyDelete
Swing it and I'm on your side, rufus.
The Sisyphus bit sucks.
Know all about that Sisyphus guy, these days you might call him a farmer.ReplyDelete
Indeed, bob. My grandfather and my uncles. My father-in-law.ReplyDelete
They'd keep at it til they couldn't keep at. Because they love it.
Till the horse drops. My granddad wheat farmed with horses. Never had a tractor. I don't know how they did it. The old pics show a tean of eight or so horses, and as many men, at harvest time, and an odd looking reaper. Seems most of it would go to feeding the horses.ReplyDelete
He had two wifes, and eight kids. Told this to my son, his eyes lite up--two wifes?--no, no, not at the same time, one died then he got another. O, I see.
Bobalharb said, "Know all about that Sisyphus guy, these days you might call him a farmer."ReplyDelete
Sissy-puss is the Commander-in-Chief. Just when he rolls his stones up to the arena-plateau for The War Against Terrorism, he says something stupid like, "Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions" and his stones roll right back down again.
T., if Luttwak is right, sometimes it's not a bad thing to have a Prez that doesn't know what he is doing! He may end up doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. But then, maybe Luttwak is just wacked out.ReplyDelete
It seems to me that the Greatest, most prosperous nations were always those that were out "tearing-up-jack, trading, and trying to shape the world."ReplyDelete
They sometimes suffered defeats, but at the end of the day, they were ahead of the game.
It seems to me that the Greatest, most prosperous nations were always those that were out "tearing-up-jack, trading, and trying to shape the world."ReplyDelete
Don't do that, rufus. Don't give a pass to everything.
I've just always tended toward the "Proactive," Trish; maybe is In My Genes.ReplyDelete
Rufus said, "Bob, I look at Iraq as being like a 'Teenager;' it's going to break your heart every other day."ReplyDelete
Except that instead of Playstation 3, they got garage door openers rigged to buried 155 mm shells.
More like a mob of Teenagers on Ice.ReplyDelete
We don't need no stinking First Amendment
Dobson on Reed Bill Supported by McCain
He noted that legislation he'd just been discussing on the program, regarding an attempt by Democrat leaders in Congress to create obstacles for ministries such as Focus to reach constituents with action messages about pending legislation, is being supported by McCain, too.
"That came from McCain, and the McCain Feingold Bill kept us from telling the truth right before elections … and there are a lot of other things. He's not in favor of traditional marriage, and I pray that we won't get stuck with him," Dobson said.
The provisions of the new congressional proposal, hidden deep inside a plan to reform lobbying rules to eliminate the many recent scandals involving members of Congress, would require pro-family groups to provide documentation of their actions to the government any time they try to spark any "grass-roots" action.
Phone calls, personal visits, e-mails, magazines, broadcasts, phone banks, appearances, travel, fundraising and other items all would be subject to government tabulation, verification and audits, Dobson said during a a recent program..
"On and on it goes."
"Clearly, the objective here is to hide what goes on from the public and punish and silence those of us who would talk about what our representatives are doing,"
Dobson said of the plan by Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev.
This Global Warming is getting to be a Pain in the Ass.ReplyDelete
Be Enthused, else Big Brother will not be AmusedReplyDelete
WHITNEY POINT, N.Y. — Thirty girls signed up for the cheerleading squad this winter at Whitney Point High School in upstate New York.
But upon learning they would be waving their pompoms for the girls’ basketball team as well as the boys’, more than half of the aspiring cheerleaders dropped out.
Whitney Point is one of 14 high schools in the Binghamton area that began sending cheerleaders to girls’ games in late November, after the mother of a female basketball player in Johnson City, N.Y., filed a discrimination complaint with the United States Department of Education.
She said the lack of official sideline support made the girls seem like second-string, and violated Title IX’s promise of equal playing fields for both sexes.
Last February, a statewide group of physical education teachers in California called for cheerleaders to attend girls’ and boys’ games “in the same number, and with equal enthusiasm” as part of its five-year goals.
Stalingrad High comes to Amerika.
I'm thinking about taking that cruise ship tour across the ice free north pole in my lifetime. The shipping companies are looking at routes, rates now(or at least the US Navy is). Anybody want to go?;)ReplyDelete
Looks like the Royal Navy is going out of business. Downsizing again to nothing more than a coastal patrol. End of an era for sure. From Drake to coastal patrol. Sad.
It's only fair, doug.ReplyDelete
And not any type of limiting action to personal freedoms.
McCain Feingold, another one of those "loss of liberties" that we can just ignore. Does not count, you see, cause it's for the "Greater Good", as defined by Mr McCain and Mr Bush.
You see it's all for the best.
To keep US secure, in our ignorance.
Similar to fighting a "War" unlike any other in the history of mankind.
The is no historical precedent, anywhere at anytime in all of recorded history, of fighting border bandits successfully, you know that.
This whole thing is becoming a ever greater sham, I'm beginning to believe. Between the lack of US & Iraqi border security to being unable to beat impoverished border bandits in Warizistan.
Just to much for US to accomplish, in less than a decade or two or four. Give up your freedoms until Victory is achieved, we just cannot define Victory, but trust the Federals, they have your best interest at heart. Really, they do.
How many bombs have been found in the NYC subway backpack searchs? I have not heard of a single one.
Nor have the searchs forced the terrorists to choose other targets. Not a single bombed bus, nor even a nonsuicide bomber, anywhere in NYC.
So all those folk have forfeited their privacy, because of fear. Creeping authoritative police powers, cause folk are afraid of being afraid.
OR, maybe there were no suicide bombings "Because Of" the Security.ReplyDelete
They can search my backpack, anytime. And, if I happen to have any Al Queda friends, I hope they look at my bank account, too. If they can make any sense out of it after Baby-Doll gets through with it they deserve any information they can get. Maybe they'll tell me what my balance is; I haven't known since 01'.
Nor has the extra security chased the terrorists to other US cities. Not to Chicago nor Dallas.ReplyDelete
Not Miami or even Detroit.
Millions of Federal USD spent for improved first responders, on a local level. With NYC saying they've been short changed in the funding. Local needs that should be met locally, not Federally.
Another thousand points of largess, by a debetor in possession. Spending money they do not have, to counter a threat that does not seem to exist.
Where are the prosecutions of these Terrorists, the ones whose "plans" have been thwarted?
Pedilla was not charged with terrorism.
Reid, the shoebomber, went down three years ago. What of late?
Perhaps we've already won, and Mr Bush and Mr Cheney do not recongnize that we have, being that Victory will be unlike anything anyone has ever seen before.
Perhaps we are seeing Victory, now, and just do not realize it.
You'd fit right in with the Gypsys and Jews of Europe, circa 1939, then, rufus.ReplyDelete
Anything for the "security" of the State. It's for your own good.
Ask Mrs Vicki Weaver about trusting the Federals. Oh, you cannot, because FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi shot her, with her baby in her arms.
Mr Weaver was said to be a terrorist, you know.
The surviving members of the Weaver family filed a wrongful death suit and Randy Weaver received a $100,000 settlement while his daughters received $1,000,000 each. The FBI sniper was charged locally with manslaughter, but the case was forcibly moved to FEDERAL Court, where the charges were eventually dismissed. No jury required.
Catch & Release
No Justice, No Peace.
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One thing I can say about Weaver is he was both crazy, and dumb. Well, that's two things. Why would someone want to pay for sawed-off shotguns? Anyone can use a hacksaw. He believed in ZOG and was in with Aryan Nations. Doesn't mean the government handled it right however. I think they could have arrested him earlier, but not certain, and I don't know for certain what happened the day of the shooting. Both sides were probably wrong. Tale told by idiots all the way round, is sort of how I see it. Sure filled up the news here for awhile. I think a person can find a better martyr figure, which is what the government foolishly made him, unlikely martyr that he is.ReplyDelete
It was not Mr Weaver that was martyred at the alter of Federal power, it was his wife.ReplyDelete
Shot through the brain, with her baby cuddled in her arms.
She had not sold a shotgun. Nor missed a court appearence.
No she was in her home, when the Federals came a raiding.
Much like those children in Waco, guilty by association.
Sentenced to death, because they were victims of abuse, Ms Reno said.
That and the Federals were "tired".
Right, I realize that; was a misuse of the word martyr. I don't know what happened for sure. The government was at fault, I just don't know to what extent. They could have handled it differently and should have. Weaver should have turned himself in and gotten a lawyer. It could all have been avoided.ReplyDelete
In Waco they used a M728 Combat Engineer Vehicle (CEV), a full-tracked armored vehicle which is basicly a M60A1 tank with a blade and a boom, a 165mm turret mounted demolition gun.ReplyDelete
Anyone that had ever worked with quantities of CS gas know it is flamable in enclosed areas.
Ignorance is bliss.
Don't know anything about Waco, but if I had been Weaver, I'd have turned myself in, gotten a lawyer, and offered to plead guilty to providing a hack saw. How such a charge as providing a sawed-off shotgun could be made to stick I have no idea, unless it was taped. Of course I think he said it was a set-up, which it might have been.ReplyDelete
Sham me once, sham me twice.ReplyDelete
You want to end the sham, you stop listening to jackasses like this:
Plenty more where he came from.
My dad tells a joke, rufus, about a passenger aboard a train in Africa. He sees a fellow passenger wadding-up pieces of paper and throwing them out the window. "Why are you doing that?" he asks. "To keep elephants from charging the train," he answers.ReplyDelete
"You can't be serious."
"You don't see any elephants, do you?"
That's what Bobal is doing w/all them details:ReplyDelete
Keeping the Stark Reality of what our Govt. did that day from coming into too sharp a focus.
...regardless of their "reasons" for doing so.