“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Tuesday, August 12, 2008

Ultimately, Russia Loses.

Nostalgic for Chechnya

While the pundits and the politicians scramble to find a response to the NeoSoviet attack on Georgia, you have to ask yourself what will Putin get out of this venture? The short answer is nothing good. A few of the obvious liabilities are:
  • Russia and Putin have no credibility in any European country and less in the US.
  • Russia has bought another bloody guerrilla war in the Caucasus.
  • The long term prospects for Russia being a reliable energy partner has been diminished.
  • European investment in Russia will decline. It will become more expensive.
  • Revenue from energy exports will be diverted to unnecessary military spending at the expensive of necessary infrastructure.
  • Emigration from Russia will accelerate.
  • Drug abuse, AIDS, and alcoholism will increase.
  • European acceptance for the US missile defense system will improve.
  • Russian political influence will decline.

Russia has shot itself in the foot. It will find itself in a difficult position to stand down and will pay an awful and bloody price for a rash and foolish mistake.



By Pavel K. Baev
Eurasia Daily Monitor

Monday, August 11, 2008

Moscow was disconcertingly taken by surprise with the sharp escalation of hostilities in South Ossetia last Friday. The most apparent part of the problem was the lack of leadership, as President Dmitry Medvedev departed to a Volga resort and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin went to Beijing to attend the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games. The greater problem was the serious military and political miscalculations that had resulted in the apparently chaotic emergency decision-making (Kommersant, August 9; Ezhednevny zhurnal, August 8). It is hard to blame the military for missing the Georgian preparations for the large-scale offensive, since the command of the Armed Forces had been thoroughly reshuffled: The Chief of the General Staff was replaced in early June, his first deputy (the head of the Main Operational Department) was fired in early July and not replaced, and the commander of the Ground Forces was replaced in the first days of August (Nezavisimaya gazeta, August 5).

The main blunder, however, was political, as the Kremlin seriously overestimated its ability to dominate the situation in the conflict zone. The large-scale military exercises conducted across the North Caucasus in July were supposed to demonstrate Russia’s superiority in projecting power (Nezavisimaya gazeta, July 18). In parallel, the withdrawal of the railway troops from Abkhazia in early August symbolized Moscow’s flexibility and responsiveness to the peace proposals advanced by Germany (Nezavisimaya gazeta, August 8). Putin was confident that his performance at the NATO Bucharest summit had effectively blocked Georgia’s Atlantic aspirations; several stern “warnings” should have ensured that Georgia would not dare make any pro-active move. Surprise was so complete that Putin, according to those who saw him in Beijing, was pale with barely controlled rage, which he tried to convey to U.S. President George Bush and Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev (Moscow echo, August 8).

The issue for Putin was not only that he had never expected Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili to launch a blitzkrieg in the opening day of the Olympic games, but also that the crucial stage in Moscow was left for Medvedev to perform. It was only at 15:00 local time that Russian Security Council gathered to consider the available options, and Medvedev was acutely aware that any sign of hesitation on his part would destroy the little credibility he had gathered during the first 100 days of his presidency (, August 9). The result was a brief statement condemning Georgia’s “aggression” and asserting that “We will not allow the deaths of our fellow citizens to go unpunished.” By that time, however, the Russian massive armored column was already approaching Tskhinvali, and it could only be assumed that it was indeed Medvedev who had given the “go-ahead” order earlier in the morning.

In the highly stressful first day of an unexpected war, Medvedev had to disregard both the agreements that limited Russia’s peacekeeping role of monitoring the ceasefire (with no provisions for “peace enforcement”) and the domestic legislation that required a resolution of the Federation Council authorizing the use of Armed Forces outside Russia’s borders. The TV propaganda machine was instantly switched on providing non-stop coverage of the “humanitarian catastrophe,” and the statements by military officials that the Georgian soldiers were “finishing off” wounded Russian peacekeepers at the captured observation posts were provocative to the extreme (RIA-Novosti, August 8).

The immediate task of the military operation was clear--to push back the Georgian troops that had captured Tskhinvali after heavy bombardment, but the heights around the city were taken only on Sunday. The key problem for the Russian troops was that reinforcements and supplies could be moved in only by one narrow road under fire from Georgian positions. The lack of quick demonstrative success prompted Moscow to opt for punishing air-strikes on Gori and Poti, while the bombs dropped on the Vasiani Airbase outside Tbilisi were probably intended to force the evacuation of U.S. military instructors. This disproportional response allowed Saakashvili to portray Georgia as a victim of aggression and generated international pressure for a ceasefire (Moscow echo, August 9). Medvedev, however, had to listen first to the generals who argued that control over Tskhinvali could not be secured without opening the key supply line to the north, which required storming several Georgian villages, from Tamarasheni to Kemerti. The population of this enclave had to be evacuated to Georgia in order to prevent brutal “ethnic cleansing” by volunteers from the North Caucasus.

Driven by this war logic, Medvedev might discover that his “‘liberal lawyer” image has transmogrified into a hawkish quasi-warrior, who is, in fact, a hostage to several clans of reinvigorated siloviki (, August 9). He might think that his grasp on power in the experimental “tandem” has suddenly strengthened and even find it enjoyable to give Putin an order to change his schedule and go to Vladikavkaz to coordinate the humanitarian relief operations. Putin, however, thrives in the “dirty war” environment, and he easily trapped Medvedev with the tough statement about genocide that would involve “mortal damage” to Georgia’s territorial integrity (, August 9).

The catch is that Russia cannot maintain its ambivalent stance of supporting the secessionist quasi-states and acknowledging that they remain parts of Georgia; nor can it keep pretending that it is not a party to the conflict but merely the guarantor of a non-existent peace process. Prior to the war, Moscow had been very irritated by Eduard Kokoity’s corrupt regime, but now to all intents and purposes it owns South Ossetia and has not only to provide aid but to resolve the status issue (Ezhednevny zhurnal, August 8). Medvedev is forced to make decisions that he is very uncomfortable with and to place them in a new strategic line for the Caucasus that he is not really qualified to draw, while Putin takes charge over practical matters like distributing money and resources. Spoils from this “victory” would hasten Russia’s drift from democracy, worsen its investment climate, and add more tension to relations with the West and with Ukraine. Diplomats may contemplate a return to the status quo ante, but Russia has changed in the course of this entirely unnecessary war, and the damage cannot be undone.


  1. August 13, 2008
    Russia Orders Halt to Military Operation in Georgia

    MOSCOW — President Dmitri Medvedev of Russia announced Tuesday that he had ordered a halt to the Russian military operation in Georgia although Russian forces were still authorized to fire on enemies in South Ossetia, the Interfax news agency reported.

    The president explained the action by saying Russia had achieved its military goals.

  2. Russian president halts military action in Georgia -

    At the same time, Medvedev ordered the military to quell any signs of Georgian resistance.

    "If there are any emerging hotbeds of resistance or any aggressive actions, you should take steps to destroy them," he told his defense minister at a Kremlin meeting.

    "Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Moscow won't talk to President Mikhail Saakashvili and Saakashvili "better go.""

  3. Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!
    Putin criticizes U.S. over South Ossetia

    Putin, an opponent of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, repeated complaints from Moscow about what it says are double standards in the West over the conflict with Georgia, which wants to become a member of NATO.

    He mocked the support given by the West to Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, comparing him to former Iraqi leader Sadam Hussein, who was hanged in 2006 for war crimes.

    "They of course had to hang Saddam Hussein for destroying several Shiite villages," Putin said.

    "But the current Georgian rulers who in one hour simply wiped 10 Ossetian villages from the face of the earth, the Georgian rulers which used tanks to run over children and the elderly, which threw civilians into cellars and burnt them -- they (Georgian leaders) are players that have to be protected."

    Putin's accusations about the actions of Georgian troops have not been independently confirmed.

  4. The liberation of the Sudetenland, . . . . er, S. Osettia, abkawhatever is complete.

    Next stage: Consolidation

  5. Now that I've made my snarky, little comment, let me say this: I agree with Deuce that this isn't going to work out nearly as well for Russia as the annexation of the Sudetenland did for Germany.

    If I live in Poland, or Czechoslavakia I'm thinking - If the Americans have their Missile Defense Base, here, the Russians will not try this with us.

    I think the only one that can screw up our missile defense, now, will be Obama.

  6. Screw Georgia. The Real Action is in Montana!

    Aebiofuels opens demonstration "Cellulosic/stach" Ethanol Plant. Intends to build $100 Million Plant next year.

    This baby eats up anything you feed it. Straw, forestry waste, grass, corn, your granny's gym shorts - Anything.

    Piss on the Russians, and A rabs, and their dirty, stinky shit.

  7. "Ultimately, Russia Loses."

    That was true after the Battle of Stalingrad, just took another 50 years for that truth to sink in.

    A lot happened in that time.
    Not all of it good, for US.

    How long would Poland stand against a Russian onslaught?

    Would the US risk nuclear exchange over a radar station and its' crew?

    Or does Poland get the missiles?

    Matters little. Without the stones to strike at the opportune time, the US lost Georgia, presently.
    Where ever else the Ruskies choose to roll, tomorrow.

    "Ultimately, Everyone Dies."

    It's how they lived that matters.

    The Russians are the winners, today.

  8. As for the Georgians battling on, going underground to fight an insurgent campaign against the Ruskies ...

    The Russian Doctrine would be to destroy, raze and not rebuild, Georgia. Chechnya is proof of that.

    Civil disobedience only works against the civil.
    Insurgencies, swimming like a fish amongst the people, only work where the target won't drain the pond.

  9. Poland gets the missiles. The Radar is in Czechoslavakia.

    Yeah, Rat, we'd defend that huge X-Band Radar Site; and, the Russkies know it.

    If the Russians won this one I just hope they win a few more as time goes on. The only thing I can think of worse than governing a bunch of Georgians would be govening a bunch of renegade Georgians.

    And, Deuce is right; there's nothing like seeing Russian tanks on the roll to induce clear-thinking in the Euros.

  10. The $105 million ethanol production facility will be the 24th POET production facility and will produce 65 million gallons of ethanol per year from more than 22 million bushels of local corn.

    That's 1.77 million barrels, per year for $105 million USD.

    $20 Bn in infrastructure provides a million barrels per day. Same as the US imports from Daudi Arabia.

    There is a great link to a video presentation. Fellow claims the plant they built in Japan produces ethanol at $1 dollar per gallon, from a wide range of feedstocks.
    70 gallons per ton of landfill waste.

    BlueFire Ethanol’s “Arkenol Process”

    By: Matt Kelly
    GMnext Contributor

    During the Biofuels Feedstock Tour at Ceres in Thousand Oaks, Ca, BlueFire Ethanol of Irvine, CA, gave a presentation about their Concentrated Acid Hydrolysis process known as the “Arkenol Process” for cellulose to ethanol production in North America. The beauty of BlueFire is they can convert agricultural, urban or forestry residues to ethanol where the majority of consumption takes place, near landfills in coastal regions, dramatically reducing shipping costs, with production costs under $1.00/gallon. And the good news is, the company just received its first round of DOE funds and final permits from the County of Los Angeles, Department of Regional Planning, for the construction of the nation’s first commercial facility to convert biowaste into ethanol in Lancaster, CA, with commercial operation of the plant expected in late 2009!

    Watch the complete presentation.

    What do you think? Join the conversation and send us your comments!

    Matt Kelly is a working member of the GMnext team and contributor to the program

  11. deuce wrote:

    "Russia has shot itself in the foot. It will find itself in a difficult position to stand down and will pay an awful and bloody price for a rash and foolish mistake."

    Sounds similar to some of the criticism of the US's move into Iraq and look how that turned out though Rat's argument that the Ruskies will rule more brutally then we is a good one. Will it still be a net benefit? I doubt it.

  12. Thet Ruskies won't govern the Georgians, they'll kill 'em.

    Simple as that.

    Which WILL effect the thinking of the peoples of Europe. Not in a positive, for US, manner.

    Funny, rufus, over 4,000 US dead, both in NYC and then again in Iraq, did not cause the destruction of a single Iraqi city, nor Iranian, nor Saudi, nor Afghani, nor Pakistani.

    No, not at all.

    The US will be seen as a Paper Tiger, because it is.

    Who would we send to Poland?
    There are no choke points to stop the Ruskies at, just a couple of rivers to cross.

    They've done ot, before

    The Soviet government announced that it was acting to protect the Ukrainians and Belarusians who lived in the eastern part of Poland, because the Polish state had collapsed in the face of the German attack and could no longer guarantee the security of its own citizens.

    The Red Army quickly achieved its targets, vastly outnumbering Polish resistance. About 230,000 Polish soldiers or more (452 500) were taken prisoners of war. The Soviet government annexed the territory newly under its control and in November declared that the 13.5 million Polish citizens who lived there were now Soviet citizens. The Soviets quelled opposition by executions and by arresting thousands. They sent hundreds of thousands (estimates vary) to Siberia and other remote parts of the USSR in four major waves of deportations between 1939 and 1941

  13. They'll do it, again.

    If they think they can, at low cost.

  14. Current Montana Gov Brian Schweitzer being huge improvement over Mark Racicot, appointed GOP Chairman under Bush, who is not much liked for "selling Montana down the river."

    Montana also has wind farms.

  15. Another Democratic Governor that is doing well in a red State.

    Just as in Arizona.

    Saw some Tom Ridge for Maverick's VP speculation, it'd put PA in play. Which would be a big plus for Team Maverick.

  16. Chances are higher we'd destroy that sensitive equipment, if it could not be evacuated, rufus.
    Not fight a war over it.

    Same as in Tehran, 1979.
    As with the USS Pueblo

  17. The family voting McCain - no shaking that.

    But I came close to jumping ship with Phil Gramm's tone-deaf butthead stupid comment.

    The emails flew then.

  18. DR: As for the Georgians battling on, going underground to fight an insurgent campaign against the Ruskies ...

    The Russian Doctrine would be to destroy, raze and not rebuild, Georgia. Chechnya is proof of that.

    But what if the Georgians INSIDE of mother Russia started shit?

    Russia is hugh, with literally HUNDREDS of different ethnics...

    I would say that the likelihood that stuff happening INSIDE of Russia proper is the next stage...

    Just as the ied's, suicide bombings & attacks hit the west (including israel) that have come from the material support of the russians and arabs, the russian's (the arab world already is getting hit back by the pandora's box they created) turn is now... (china too)

    Look for low intensity attacks in russia proper...

    stabbings on the the subway, ied's on remote roads, sabotage & more..

    this could be the time when all oppressed peoples of the russian bear begin to awake and start to react...

    remember it was the soviets that incubated and taught the arabs to use terror against Israel 1st and now supports Iran, and supported terror against us in Iraq...

  19. Because of that, Ridge seems kind of a small ball choice. He did not light a fire at Homeland Security, but those were difficult days and he did get it launched. A more difficult task than might be imagined.

  20. The 58th Army is from Chechnya, wi"o". Don't hear much about Chechnya, now, because there is not much left, there.
    Of an insurgent population

    Puti had that pond drained.

  21. That was a GREAT Video, Rat. I learned a lot from it.

    Real complicated, ain't it? Soak it down good with sulfuric acid, recover the sulfuric acid, rinse, repeat. Rocket Science!

  22. The Poles were on "Horseback" in 39'. They'll be driving M1A-1's the next time around. With F-15's, and Reapers overhead.

    The "Pass" is closed.

  23. The Voice of Russia

    A rebel from Akhmed Zakayev`s armed group was detained in Grozny, Chechen Interior Ministry reported. Envoy of the Chechen separatists Zakayev is charged with banditry, murders, kidnappings, which took place in Chechnya in the 90s. In 2003 he got political asylum in Great Britain and now lives in London. Russia has been demanding his extradition since 2002 but the British Court repeatedly refused to hand him over.



    30.07.2008, 12:10 Russia to spend $120 billion on Chechnya restoration
    13.05.2008, 17:38 More than 50 non-governmental organizations abroad support Chechen militants
    24.04.2008, 18:15 Hammarberg: I am impressed by the process of economic restoration of Chechnya
    07.04.2008, 12:40 Chechnya’s capital Grozny wins“The best city in the CIS” title
    31.01.2008, 10:49 Ramzan Kadyrov: all rebel groups had been totally defeated by the army in Chechnya
    19.12.2007, 15:37 Information materials about positive change in Chechnya released in Grozny
    28.11.2007, 14:54 Russian special services killed 55 members of Chechen illegal armed groups
    23.11.2007, 10:56 Shamsail Saraliyev: feels US based-seminars on future of the North Caucasus biased
    05.10.2007, 16:03 Chechen President says no sizable rebel units operate in Republic
    03.10.2007, 16:28 Chechnya: economic growth unprecedented
    30.08.2007, 15:17 Rebel from Zakayev`s armed group detained in Grozny
    28.08.2007, 15:41 Jordan to help Chechnya to rebuild its war-scarred economy
    27.08.2007, 15:33 Ramzan Kadyrov: The Chechen people will remain the part of the Russian Federation
    24.08.2007, 15:48 Head of terrorist gang in Chechnya killed in Grozny


    And the 58th Army was given a new assignment

  24. If the interceptors go into Poland I wouldn't even be surprised to see a squadron of F-22's close by.

  25. Need A10s, not F22s.

    The real question, will the the people of Poland want to live in a militarized society, when by not having the missiles, the threat seems to recede?

    Where going along to get along appears to be a safer course than prodding the bear.

    I doubt that the Russian would advance into Poland, militarily. But they will make a huge political impact. There will be many, there in Europe, that will council appeasement in the face of the threat.

  26. Just as many here counciled appeasement in Georgia.

    What could be gained, not worth the risk

  27. The threat to US, the ultimate escalation.

    The threat to Europe, ranging from economic dislocation and no heating oil, all the way to insurgent terrorism and conventional war.

    All for some US missiles?

    Remember the demonstrations over the Pershing deployment?

  28. This is how we screw the Russkies, and Sauds.

    Flexfuel Prius!

  29. Roger that on the video.

    All of it especially the part of capital markets not supporting new technologies.

  30. dr=

    you are correct about Chechnya, however Chechnya makes up about 1% of the current Russian occupation.



    everything outside of Kievan Rus is occupied

    go here to see a map of russian federal subjects

    The russian empire is way over extended and will not be able to keep an iron fist over all of it's lands..

    Just a few years ago (before the oil boom) they could not afford to arm or feed their soldiers...

    maybe the BEST way to poison the bear's honey is to help those INSIDE of Russia to fight for self determination

    nothing says i love you more than a nice stinger missile!

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  32. In Greek Mythology, Colchis was the location of the Golden Fleece sought by Jason and the Argonauts in Apollonius Rhodius' epic tale Argonautica. The incorporation of the Golden Fleece into the myth may have derived from the local practice of using fleeces to sift gold dust from rivers.

    Wiki Article On Georgia

    It's hard not to feel for these people. Been invaded by everybody and their uncle over the centuries. None of the invaders being nice guys like us in Iraq. I don't have any idea how it will turn out, but it's doubtful, being nominally at least Christian, that they'll go in for the suicide bombing business. One can say, orthodox Christianity has seemed to have failed in the area, as it's Christians killing Christians, which should be a no no.

  33. The perfect "Pass" keeper.

    Air Force converts first F-16 Squadron to MQ-9 Drones

    Brave new world a'comin.

  34. The same Europeans that have sat idle in the face of the Muslim encroachment, will stand strong against the Russians?

    The Russians are still nationalists, where the Brits disdain patriotism. The Russians are militarized, the rest of Europe cannot find twenty helicopors for Afghanistan.

    The Russians offer strong leadership, America offers Condi's equivications.

    People rally to the strong horse that promises an easy ride.

  35. Cool toy, we'll need hundreds of them to maintain dominence.

    The MQ-9s cost has doubled in the last few years, to about $18 million per aircraft (with all the high end sensors). The 4.7 ton Reaper has a wingspan of 66 feet and a payload of 1.5 tons. Reaper is considered a combat aircraft, because it can carry everything from the hundred pound Hellfire missile, to the 500 pound laser or GPS guided smart bomb. Reaper has a laser designator, as well as day and night (infrared) cameras. Reaper can stay in the air for over 14 hours and operate at up to 50,000 feet. It's sensors have excellent resolution, and are effective at high altitudes. It's been noted that most of what F-16s (and F-18s) are doing these days is dropping smart bombs, and using their targeting pods to do recon for the ground troops. Reaper does both of these jobs better and cheaper.

    The major advantage of the Reaper is it's "persistence." It can stay in the air for 14 hours (or more), and that means you can put it over an area of interest, and wait for the enemy to do something. If that happens, the Reaper is there with Hellfire missiles and smart bombs. The Reaper had two heavyweight (up to 1,500 pounds) inboard (close to the fuselage) hard points for bombs and missiles, and four more (two up to 600 pounds, and two up to 200 pounds) outboard (farther out on the wing). A max of 3,000 pounds of bombs and missiles can be carried on these hard points.

    But at $18 million per, peanut dough.

  36. desert rat said...
    The same Europeans that have sat idle in the face of the Muslim encroachment, will stand strong against the Russians?

    Euro as we know it is dead...

    throw in the towel.

    who cares...


  38. Yes, but an open mind with a pilot plant.


  39. So,

    The American imperialists and war profiteers get their cold war back. The American stooge and complete moron Saakashvili was played as planned. Now Georgians get to enjoy the destruction of Georgia by the Russians and then by the Turks. Yippee!

  40. Old Blue, a military guy, makes good points at Belmont:

    "Old Blue:

    I think that Georgia needs to tiptoe a bit right now, even though they are still smarting from the hard slaps to the face and buttocks.

    Russia would love to have the legitimate pretext to finish the job and eventually swallow Georgia whole. All they need is for Georgia to visibly continue to strenuously resist. Georgia needs to “tap out” at some point.

    That doesn’t mean that their elected leadership needs to step down, and “demiliterization” is an unrealistic demand; almost Versailles-like in its humiliation.

    It is possible that the Russians are making unreasonable demands in order to claim justification in further violent domination of Georgia.

    Before declaring a “no fly zone” or any other statement of principle, we need to very seriously consider our ability to make good on our promises and what the end result of a Russian test of those principles will be.

    Why would we not expect the Russians to assert their own version of a “Monroe Doctrine” in the Caucausus when we clearly will not tolerate Russian bombers or missiles in Cuba?

    Again, we must examine our motives and the results of casting our support about in areas that we lack the endurance to fool with.

    Does the fat kid with the heavy hands really want to dance with the bear? The fat kid hits really hard, but he wheezes after a little effort.

    The more often we make bellicose noises without the will to back them up, the less credible we become. Russia is poking us in the eye indirectly, but it is our own fault.

    The Georgians should be counseled strongly to show restraint and document any further Russian advances into Georgia. Russia is waiting for the right “provocation” with which to justify finishing the job and treating Saakashvili as we did Saddam Hussein. They are already making the same noises that we did towards Iraq.

    And they will point to our invasion of Iraq as their justification.

    We, and the Georgians, should tread lightly and avoid giving the Russians the pretext.

    Once the Russians have backed off a bit and settled down some, the casualties that they sustained will be questioned by the families and the delayed pressure from within will discourage another strong thrust. However, that reaction is always delayed in Russia. Stirring them further while they have a head of steam up and no back-pressure from their own public is a very dangerous position to be in for both Georgia and for NATO.
    Aug 12, 2008 - 8:05 am"

  41. This, from 2006 hits the nail on the head.

    It is mat's true hope, the Russians lead Europe against the Muslim hordes. In the global war he sees as inevitable.

    While wi"o" sees it as the Ruskies being in league with Muslims, to defeat US and destroy Israel.

    Interesting perspectives, both.

    Washington's conventional wisdom is that Putin, Russia's czar-like president, is dramatically reshaping Russian society. That's not the case. The process by which Russia is reorienting itself under Putin is organic, arising from deep and perhaps immutable Russian traditions. "Putin's Russia" is not the construction or possession of its autocratic leader -- in fact, an important reason for his steady 70 percent approval rating, six years into his reign, is his knack for aligning himself with ground-level currents that are not of his fashioning. Nor is this emerging edifice original -- it is, rather, a society's willful return to old architectural patterns, in shades largely of White. "It's a revival of Russian identity," an aide to the president told me in an interview at the Kremlin. "This is not something new," the aide said of the features of today's Russia, "because we carry the genes of our whole Russian history."

    To gain a better sense of this revival and its meaning for Russia and the world beyond, I visited a southern heartland province, Rostov, through which the mighty Don River courses. I was in search of the legendary Don Cossacks -- the warrior-protectors of Russia's borders against the Turks, the Chechens, and other infidels. The Don Cossacks were making a comeback, I had been told. I was told right.

    Of Cossacks, Priests And Ballerinas
    It is "last-bell day" -- graduation time -- for the young cadets of the Aksaisky Military School, a rapidly expanding secondary boarding school operated by the Don Cossacks, with funding from the Rostov regional administration. The academy is 20 miles outside of the province's largest city, Rostov-on-Don. In the lobby is inscribed the Cossacks' motto -- "Surrender life to motherland, soul to God, and honor to nobody!"

    Outside, on a sunbaked field bordered by poplars, 100 pupils, outfitted in their wide-brimmed hats and formal regimental uniforms (navy blue for most of them, cream with red piping for the drummers), sweat through a procession of speeches. Their Orthodox chaplain, Father Michael, calls on them "to be devoted believers."


    The Aksaisky school illustrates what Cossacks are about. Education in the Russian Orthodox faith -- also a patriarchal institution and the only accepted religious belief for Cossacks -- is a core part of the curriculum. The cadets, who are exclusively male, participate in ballroom dancing (with girls from a local school), choir singing of patriotic tunes, and target practice. The school is popular -- 900 applicants for 42 slots last year. All applicants must have a recommendation from their local ataman, the elected leader of a Cossack band. About three-quarters of the pupils come from orphanages or other vulnerable circumstances, and pay no money.


    Russia And The World Outside
    In his most recent state-of-the-nation address, in May, Putin invoked a Russian parable about a wolf, apropos of America's unbounded role in the world. The tale translates poorly from the Russian, but the spirit of it is, "You can try to tame the wolf by feeding him, but he will always be a wolf, a beast of the forest." The story was interesting on several counts. First, Putin was projecting onto America a trait, an innate wildness, often attributed to Russia. Second, the unflattering metaphor -- the wolf, unlike the bear, is not well-regarded among Russians -- was yet another example of Putin catching up with popular opinion.

    "Everything Putin does the West doesn't like, the Russians do," one of Russia's most astute political analysts, Olga Kryshtanovskaya, told me. ....

    Anti-Americanism, or what is better described as America-phobia, bubbles up from a variety of fertile sources. The main one is a fear that America is bent on world domination, including mastery of Russia. This is not merely the stuff of ragtag pamphleteering. A typical bookstore offering, "America Against Russia: Why America Is Attacking," is the work of a well-respected Moscow-based writer, Andrei Parshev. Few Russians accept at face value the idea that the U.S. is genuinely interested in spreading democracy around the world -- they tend to believe, as Parshev argues, that America's thrusts into the Middle East, the Caucasus, and Central Asia, so close to Mother Russia's soft southern underbelly, are an effort to lock up scarce energy resources.

    ... In an interview in Moscow, the liberal leader Grigory Yavlinsky lectured me about Washington's shortsighted policies, including its successful push for NATO expansion into former Soviet (and Russian Empire) territories. A reckless America -- the America that invaded Iraq -- is a gift to nationalist-agenda rabble-rousers, in Russia and elsewhere, who can now plausibly clamor for the need to protect against the American beast, Yavlinsky warned.

  42. At this point, that seems reasonable, ash.
    The battle 's been lost.

    The window of opportunity to effect the outcome, closed.

    Putin gambled and won.

  43. hmmm, I recall reading that article, Rat, how time flies.

  44. Maybe we can get Mat to read that NRO piece about WHO resides in south Oassistan.
    Who are the REAL stooges?

  45. Russia to withdraw troops which were sent into South Ossetia
    Aug. 12, 2008

    The Russian and French presidents endorsed a plan on Tuesday evening in which both Russian and Georgian troops will withdraw to their initial positions prior to the outbreak of hostilities.

    The plan endorsed by Dmitry Medvedev and his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy also calls for a fuller discussion on the future status of Georgia's two breakaway provinces, South Ossetia and Abkhazia.


    Nicolas Sarkozy, Thank You!

  46. (tried to do an asscrackistan, didn't work, but you know where I mean)

  47. Good that the Russian Fascists will have their place of retreat to do their "legitimate" business, ala Putin.

  48. Doug,

    How many Churches left in Bosnia? How many in Kosovo?

  49. Where does Russia good, Georgia bad come from Mat?
    I don't get it.

  50. I thot this was Georgia, are they Muslim too?

  51. Russian Imperialism = Roll back of Jihadism
    American Imperialism = Push forward of Jihadism

    Prove me wrong!

  52. ...but those Georgians would clearly rather not live under Soviet Russia.

  53. "Where does Russia good, Georgia bad come from Mat?
    I don't get it."

    Because Doug, without Russia as their protector against the jihadis there be no Christian Georgia. It's that simple.

  54. Could be, Wish W did not stand for WUSS and his Globalist Lesbo Sidekick Condumb.

  55. Fear not, the US Motherland will not go Muzzie, but become Azatlan, and to 'Rat that's a good thing.

  56. Maybe the Soviets will have to conquer us to save us from becoming GloboCatholic Beaner Commies?

  57. I just learned the Mormons are as pro-illegals as the Catholic Church.
    What's up w/that, Class?

  58. "...but those Georgians would clearly rather not live under Soviet Russia."

    That's not true. This has nothing to do Soviet Russia and everything to do with the fscking moron in Tbilisi and his obsession with the breakaway territories of Ossetia and Abkhazia.

  59. ..nothing to do ^with Soviet Russia..

  60. My take is it has to do with both, but I still hope 'Rat or the assembled multitudes will enlighten me about Mormons and illegals.
    Do they just want to swell their Wacko Ranks like the GloboCommieCatholics?

  61. Live in Commie Poverty Like us,
    Christ wants you too!

  62. Are the people of Georgia Morons too, or just anti-Russia?

  63. "Are the people of Georgia Morons too, or just anti-Russia?"

    The people of Georgia are gangsters and mafiosies. But they're Christian gangsters and mafiosies, so they get a pass.

  64. Like MS-13 Beaners here, with the support of the Catholic and Mormon Churches.

  65. ...and all the dumbed down NEA Globo-educated multicultural populace going along to get along.
    (and getting cheap slave labor in the short term)

  66. JJ Joseph:

    @mika:,"The ones most to benefit from enmity between orthodox christian Moscow and orthodox christian Tbilisi are the Turks . . ."

    Without Russia backstopping them, Georgia would be fast lunch for the Turks. Georgia will never have it so good again. Georgians, individually (don't forget Stalin) & collectively, are total morons.


    Of all the commentators at BC, only one gets it.

  67. mətušélaḥ said...
    Russian Imperialism = Roll back of Jihadism
    American Imperialism = Push forward of Jihadism

    Prove me wrong!

    Every rocket, night vision google, ied (in iraq) supplied by iran comes from russia

    Abbas the leader of the fucktard Palios, got his Doctorate in Russia on Holocaust denial

    The arab world for decades were supplied by russia arms...

    russian arms fuel pakistan and her fight against india

  68. But what kind of shinning City on a Hill is orthodox Christian Moscow?

  69. WIO asks many questions to my one.

  70. MS-13 is given sanctuary by the liberal Churches of the Americas.

  71. The SAVE act, gives them the legal right!
    ...backed by all the anti-illegal supporters.

    (they want workplace enforcement, like me, but are willing to grant liberal churches the right of sanctuary for Gangsters in return)

  72. “But what kind of shinning City on a Hill is orthodox Christian Moscow? WIO asks many questions to my one.”

    The kind that sees jihadis killed en mass. As opposed the one that sees Christians and Jews chased out from their territory.

  73. Yeah, but they were devout liberals as they enabled it!

  74. A Thousand Points of Surrender.

  75. ...then there's 'Rat, who worships the Rockyfeller Model!

  76. "They'll become like us after getting free Medical and foodstamps"

  77. mat:
    The kind that sees jihadis killed en mass. As opposed the one that sees Christians and Jews chased out from their territory.

    Mat, when I see russian tanks driving over the bones of hezbollah, syrian, palestinian, iranian & paki jihadists i will cheer and even buy their vodka...

    til then they are still suppling hezbollah, iran, hamas, syria and others with rockets, weapons, training and of course a UN veto

  78. No, doug, I do not favor an Aztland solution, but can see where a United States of Americas is the likely outcome.
    Despite my, or your, protestations.

    Just the conditions on the ground dictate that type solution. All the politicos are on that course.

    Neither political Party is opposed to Comprehensive Reform.

    40 Senators will not stand on that issue, believe you me, they won't stand against President McCain.

  79. Well said, WIO, maybe we're all just fucked!

  80. You too, 'Rat. (well said)
    Why don't we buy an Island and start over?

  81. "Just the conditions on the ground dictate that type solution. All the politicos are on that course."
    Just like Dhimmi Euros that the BC'ers love to look down on.

  82. "Mat, when I see russian tanks driving over the bones of hezbollah, syrian, palestinian, iranian & paki jihadists i will cheer and even buy their vodka..."

    That's not Russia's job. That's Israel's job.

  83. Like it's USA's job to remain USA,
    ...but we aren't up to the job.
    Just like liberal "Jooo" "Israelis."
    Time to buy that Island guys and girls!

  84. don't we already have a nifty one called Hawaii?

  85. Yeah, but we're starting to let in illegals so they can suck off the welfare teat and deal drugs.

  86. but wouldn't freedom reign on your Island doug or would it be a top down totalitarian kinda place? ;)

  87. I'll make a very benevolent Dictator.

  88. Georgian conflict leaves west reeling and Russia walking tallIn less than a week, Putin has redrawn the geopolitical map of a vital strategic region
    Ian Traynor and Ian Black,

    Pressure increases on Musharraf
    By Syed Shoaib Hasan
    BBC News, Islamabad

    Pakistan's ruling coalition has successfully negotiated another obstacle on its way to impeaching President Pervez Musharraf.

    The North West Frontier Province's (NWFP) parliament passed a resolution calling on the president to seek a vote of confidence, or resign.

  89. Ash: but wouldn't freedom reign on your Island doug or would it be a top down totalitarian kinda place? ;)

    Who cares, as long as there's women's olympic beach volleyball.

  90. It seems quite clear that it is not just candidate Obama that wants to utilize the UN in the Georgian cause

    DES MOINES, IA — Sen. McCain called on Russia today to immediately withdraw their forces from Georgia during a brief statement upon arrival Friday morning at the Des Moines airport.

    “Russia should immediately and unconditionally cease its military operations and withdraw all forces from sovereign Georgian territory. What is most critical now is to avoid further confrontation between Russian and Georgian military forces. The consequences of Euro-Atlantic stability and security are grave,” McCain said. “The government of Georgia has called for a cease fire and for a resumption of direct talks on South Ossetia with international mediators.
    The U.S. should immediately convene an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council to call on Russia to reverse course.
    The U.S. should immediately work with the E.U. and the OSCE to put diplomatic pressure on Russia to reverse this perilous course that it has chosen.”

    McCain also called for an immediate NATO meeting to review measures the alliance can take to stabilize the situation.

    Have a few more meetings ...

  91. Maverick calls for Georgia to become a NATO member, now.

    Drill Here - Drill Now!
    Georgia in NATO Now!

    Obama not nearly so presumptive.
    Or should I say geo-politicaly aggresive.

    The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia - the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.

    I welcome the visit of the French and Finnish foreign ministers to Georgia as a first step toward mediation. There should also be a United Nations mediator to address this crisis, and the United States should fully support this effort. We should also convene other international forums to condemn this aggression, to call for an immediate halt to the violence, and to review multilateral and bilateral arrangements with Russia - including Russia's interest in joining the World Trade Organization.

    The violence taking place along the Black Sea is just miles from Sochi, the site for the Winter Olympics in 2014. It only adds to the tragedy and outrage of the current situation that Russia has acted while the world has come together in peace and athletic competition in Beijing. This action is wholly inconsistent with the Olympic ideal.

    Maverick staying the course, Georgia in NATO, that was a proposal that many here decried as foolish, yesterday.
    How do we feel about that course, NOW!

  92. Or will Georgia enjoy a "Special Relationship" with US, during a McCain Administration?

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  94. Saw some tape of Maverick in a town hall setting.

    Drill Here - Drill Now!
    brought 'em to their feet.

    He seemed to imply that energy independence was the destination on that course setting.
    No mention of ethanol, no alternatives, just ...
    Drill Here - Drill Now!
    Got a standing "O"

    No mention of ANWAR.

  95. He seemed to imply that energy independence was the destination on that course setting.
    No mention of ethanol, no alternatives, just ...
    Drill Here - Drill Now!
    Got a standing "O"


    How sad is that. And this guy is from Arizona, home of First Solar, Inc.

  96. In part of a written statement Senator McCain ...

    NATO's North Atlantic Council should convene in emergency session to demand a ceasefire and begin discussions on both the deployment of an international peacekeeping force to South Ossetia and the implications for NATO's future relationship with Russia, a Partnership for Peace nation. NATO's decision to withhold a Membership Action Plan for Georgia might have been viewed as a green light by Russia for its attacks on Georgia, and I urge the NATO allies to revisit the decision.

  97. He's more or less harmless, as a Maverick Senator, mat.

  98. Senator McCain standing by GWBush's 2005 State of the Union rhetoric.

    More than that, he's a believer in that "Old School", based upon his life experience
    "We shall pay any price, bear any burden, suffer any hardship . . . to secure the survival and success of liberty."

    He has, he will
    Take US along with him, too.

    Draw a line in Georgia, he has and will.

  99. McCain is from the Naval collective, mat.
    He got elected to Congress from AZ.

  100. Draw a line in Georgia, he has and will.


    I don't think so. I wrote this at BC but it also applies here: 'Saakashvili is a complete moron, and soon pretty much everyone will come to see him as such, including his American handlers and his own constituency. Israel has already distanced itself from this moron.'

    McCain is a little slow, but he'll eventually come to understand this. I hope. :)

  101. There is no history of that, mat.

    Georgia in NATO, NOW!

    That's his program

    He will not give an inch.
    That is the theme of his life story.

  102. It's not about Saakashvili, unless you're a Russian.

    This is about democracy and rule of law, it is going to be, like every thing else, about US. How it affects US, Georgia itself becomes an after thought, just as in Iraq.

    Maverick is prepared to pay any price, bear any burden, suffer any hardship . . . to secure the survival and success of liberty.

  103. Nope. Georgia will pay war reparation and Saakashvili tried as a war criminal.

  104. Not if McCain is elected President in 84 days

  105. This will come sooner than 84 days.

  106. Maverick sees the world more from wi"o"s perspective, mat, than from yours.
    He is a Religion of Peace kinda guy.
    Not knowing much about sects, legends, history or borders in that part of the world. As his many gaffs on those subjects are evidence of.

    He sees a more bi-polar world, Russia and it's client states vs US and ours.

    He does believe in promises and commitments. he is not very pragmatic. He'll project US power to keep those promises we made to ourselves.

    We'll keep the faith of his fathers,
    We will be triumphent

    From FDR then Truman, to JFK onwards to GWB, Maverick will keep the faith to advance freedoms ring.

    He won't give up on Georgia,
    if elected President.

  107. A total collapse of US foreign policy, within 84 days?

    We'll see what we will see.

    Bodes ill for Israel, if the prediction comes true.

  108. Cellphones Cant Really Pop Popcorn

    The videos are a viral marketing campaign by Cardo, the maker of Bluetooth headsets, as my colleague David Pogue wrote in this post last week. The campaign has clearly caused alarm; several readers of the Well blog have recently submitted links to the videos as evidence that cellphones are a health hazard. Since fessing up to the campaign, Cardo has added its name to the videos.

  109. Take your picj of the selections, there is one for every taste

    Real Clear Politics Tuesday

    The Russian Empire Strikes Back -
    Robert Baer, Time

    A Premeditated, Unprovoked Attack -
    Ralph Peters, New York Post

    The West Shares Blame for Georgia Invasion -
    Michael Hirsh, Newsweek

    McCain, Not Obama, Was Right About Georgia -
    Steve Huntley, Chicago ST

    McCain: Let's Compound the Blunder! -
    Greg Djerejian, Belgravia Dispatch

  110. "A total collapse of US foreign policy, within 84 days?"

    It's not US' foreign policy, it's Saakashvili's.

  111. "Georgia will pay war reparation and Saakashvili tried as a war criminal."
    Can't wait til my house gets bombed and then I get the bill!

  112. What is your response to the charge in NRO that the South Assholeans included a large number of retired Russian Crooks and instigators of violence, Mat?

  113. "Cellphones Cant Really Pop Popcorn"

    You do know that cellphones were invented in Israel. So who you gonnna believe, that Joo David Pogue, or your own eyes?

  114. RCP Morning Edition

    Moscow's Sinister Brilliance - Victor Davis Hanson, NRO

    A Path to Peace in the Caucasus - Mikhail Gorbachev, Washington Post

    Russia's Power Play: Reality Intrudes -
    George Will, Houston Chronicle

    Conflict Offers Glimpse at New World Order -
    Gerald Seib, Wall St. Journal

    Russia is Back as a Grand Adversary -
    Robert Kaplan, The Atlantic

    McCain Not 'Ready to Lead' on Nat'l Security -
    Arianna Huffington, HuffPo

    Following McCain's Lead on Russia, Iraq -
    Rich Lowry, New York Post

  115. At least now I know
    About Cellphones and Popcorn!!!!!!!!!!!!

  116. He's a US proxy, mat.

    His policies are our policies.

  117. Jooish Cellphones Rot Braincells!

  118. Pork Causes Pus on the Brain!

  119. (lived w/a Black guy who had friends that believed that!)

  120. Which is worse, Brain Cancer,
    or Pus on the Brain?

  121. "He's a US proxy, mat. His policies are our policies."

    I think Saakashvili was acting on his own initiative, wanting to sucker the US for tit suck on. We'll find out soon enough.

  122. OPINION

    The War in Iraq Is Over.
    What Next?

    August 12, 2008; Page A21


    The war I witnessed for more than five years in Iraq is over. ...

  123. What about them retired Soviet Crooks and Ruskie instigators of violence amongst the South Assholeans?

  124. Yesterday a news item said some Northern Areas of Iraq were NOT YET READY
    for Iraqi provincial rule!

  125. Even if he did, we have to stand by him. At least for the near term.

    Bush won't give him up, not before the election. It's not about Saakashvili, not in the US.

    It is, as always, about US.

  126. Well, sure, doug.
    Up where the PKK is in control.

  127. Will a Soviet War Crimes Trial Expose the truth?
    ""But the current Georgian rulers who in one hour simply wiped 10 Ossetian villages from the face of the earth, the Georgian rulers which used tanks to run over children and the elderly, which threw civilians into cellars and burnt them -- they (Georgian leaders) are players that have to be protected.""

    Pootie Poot

  128. They ran over my distant cousin Betsy w/a Tank!

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  130. "What about them retired Soviet Crooks and Ruskie instigators of violence amongst the South Assholeans?"

    Doug, these guys voted to be out of Georgia. Are you now saying this is all a sham?

  131. Did you read al-Bob's NRO link?

  132. bobal said...
    Georgia on our Conscience

    Though the order “Lights, camera, action!” was given by Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili, the wartime drama now unfolding in the Caucasus was devised, scripted, directed, and produced in Moscow by Vladimir Putin and his fellow siloviki (or former KGB kleptocrats.)

    For almost two decades Russia has sought to divide and destabilize the new independent states in its former backyard by helping to establish, finance, and protect “breakaway” ethnic statelets such as South Ossetia and Abkhazia within the sovereign territory of Georgia.

    These statelets fulfill two important functions.

    First, they provide the siloviki with country estates. Almost none of the officials in the South Ossetian government are locals. Most are high-ranking former KGB officials from other parts of Russia.

    But South Ossetia provides them with a safe haven in which they can launder money, run smuggling operations, traffic in women, divert official funds into their pockets, and wage small but useful wars.

    Those wars are the second function:
    They help to destabilize independent states, especially pro-Western states such as Georgia, already weakened by division. South Ossetian “forces” have been bombing Georgian villages at irregular intervals for years, but recently more intensively.
    from NRO Article Here

    "Launder money, smuggle, traffic in women" A nuclear armed criminal gang working out of country estates.
    Article Here
    "Launder money, smuggle, traffic in women"
    A nuclear armed criminal gang working out of country estates.

  133. You know how al-Bob is when he gets riled up about

    "Launder money, smuggle, traffic in women" A nuclear armed criminal gang working out of country estates

  134. "South Ossetian "forces" have been bombing Georgian villages at irregular intervals for years, but recently more intensively."

    And this is corroborated when?

  135. Read the presumptive President's remarks.
    He wants Georgia in NATO,
    he wants Russia to withdraw,
    he'll reject the war crimes claims until they can be investigated by NATO, on the ground.

    Senator McCain continues:

    The implications of Russian actions go beyond their threat to the territorial integrity and independence of a democratic Georgia. Russia is using violence against Georgia, in part, to intimidate other neighbors - such as Ukraine - for choosing to associate with the West and adhering to Western political and economic values. As such, the fate of Georgia should be of grave concern to Americans and all people who welcomed the end of a divided of Europe, and the independence of former Soviet republics. The international response to this crisis will determine how Russia manages its relationships with other neighbors. We have other important strategic interests at stake in Georgia, especially the continued flow of oil through the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which Russia attempted to bomb in recent days; the operation of a critical communication and trade route from Georgia through Azerbaijan and Central Asia; and the integrity and influence of NATO, whose members reaffirmed last April the territorial integrity, independence, and sovereignty of Georgia.
    The United States and our allies should continue efforts to bring a resolution before the UN Security Council condemning Russian aggression, noting the withdrawal of Georgian troops from South Ossetia, and calling for an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory. We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats, and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion.
    NATO's North Atlantic Council should convene in emergency session to demand a ceasefire and begin discussions on both the deployment of an international peacekeeping force to South Ossetia and the implications for NATO's future relationship with Russia, a Partnership for Peace nation.

    NATO's decision to withhold a Membership Action Plan for Georgia might have been viewed as a green light by Russia for its attacks on Georgia, and I urge the NATO allies to revisit the decision.

  136. Here's one that will really get under Mat's skin, 'Rat:

    Remember when he was still saying W was ok by him 3 years after we quit the cheerleading team?

  137. 'Rat,
    Cane's advisor is NeoCon Kagan.
    C4's right, them Joos are behind everything!

  138. World history is often made in remote, obscure countries. It is being made in Georgia today. It is the responsibility of the leading nations of the world to ensure that history continues to be a record of humanity's progress toward respecting the values and security of free people.

    Thank you.

    John McCain, a U.S. Senator from Arizona, is the presumptive Republican President

  139. McCain is an old cold war warrior. He's shooting his mouth off partly on old instinct and partly as campaign rhetoric. I think once he cools down, he'll see things clearer.

  140. That is a fact, mat was shillin' for Team43, until about the time he invested in tose solar companies.

  141. In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the Montana Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions, and keep alert of bears while in the field.

    We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears that aren't expecting them. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of a encounter with a bear.

    It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat: Black bear scat is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear scat is larger, has little bells in it, and smells like pepper.

  142. "Cane's advisor is NeoCon Kagan."

    Thanks, Doug, I didn't know that. Even more reason now why I will be proven right. :)

  143. You misread him, mat.

    That's him, his personal experience is not to give an inch. His years in a POW compound cemented those tendencies. He has to live up to the expectations of his forebears.

    They did not surrender nor retreat, neither will he.

    Count on that experience, experience that his Team touts, to leave him unflexible.
    That is how he represented himself in the case studies I'm familar with.


    “They have this thing that says drill offshore in the protected areas,” Pelosi said. “We can do that. We can have a vote on that.”

    She indicated such a vote would have to be part of a larger package that included other policies, like releasing oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which she said could bring down prices in a matter of days.

    “But it has to be part of something that says we want to bring immediate relief to the public and is not just a hoax on them,” Pelosi continued.
    W has spent 7 years filling up our VITAL Strategic Reserves after Bubba sold them off as an accounting gimmick!

  145. I'll tell al-Bob to put Bells and Whistles on his wife for Bears and Wolves.

  146. "That is a fact, mat was shillin' for Team43, until about the time he invested in tose solar companies."

    Not really. I was for the invasion Iraq, not the occupation. I always said it was a mistake. And I was for invasion of Iraq, because I thought it will be quickly followed by Iran, which I saw such as a necessity before finally taking down Saudia.

  147. Krauthammer reminds us we could have Santa Barbara offshore Oil in less that a year if we took off the Moratorium that was largely put in place by my Professor, Norman Sanders, back in the 70's.

  148. Every year since then, nore natural seepage occurs than would have spilled into the sea with continued production.

  149. ...and Rufus was never pro-illegal, 'Rat!

  150. Just an enthusiastic Tex-Mex consumer.

  151. quickly followed by Iran, which I saw as a necessity before finally taking down Saudia..

  152. ...I think Cowboy W is done taking down ANYTHING.

    GloboLesbo Condumb's tight booty is firmly in control.

  153. At least now the Shiites can safely sign oil contracts with the Chi-Coms.
    ...built by Gazprom.

  154. ...and it only cost a Trillion Bucks!

  155. "...and it only cost a Trillion Bucks!"

    Paper money. You can print plenty more.

  156. Mat's got his all in Krugerands.

  157. ...I have more faith in solar than ethanol, fwiw.

  158. Did hitler make methanol out of Coal, or what did he do to make alcohol?

  159. But no faith in the Joos.
    Krugerrand? What about the Shekel!

  160. The Air Plan that Defeated Hitler - Google Books Result
    by Haywood S. Hansell, Haywood S. Hansell, Jr. - 1979 - History - 311 pages... 100 percent of her nitric acid (basic component of all explosives), and 99 percent of her equally important methanol were synthesized from coal, ...

  161. Hey, Joos make good collectors!
    (solar that is)

  162. I have faith in that, cause Hitler alread did it on an Industrial Scale.
    (probly mixed in Joos to get high octane Av Gas)

  163. and we have tons of Coal.
    ...and just enuff Joos!

  164. I think that my be held in poor taste @ BC.

  165. (no sense of humor goes unpunished)

  166. They did call it the fisher-poop process. :)

  167. Nazis in the AtticDu Pont support of Hitler extended into the very heart of the Nazi war machine as well ..... The use of hemp as a source of methanol was known to the Nazis. ...

  168. Miller and his go-too Joo Salmon just did a riff on that exact joke yesterday!

  169. Part of the Goat's Horn Rock and Roll routine.

  170. :-0
    We won't say, cause you know who's trolling!

  171. Salmon was given his name by Miller for looking like Rushdie.

  172. NahnCee in reply to Wretchard:

    Why are all the questions in the past tense rather than present or future?


    I like her.

  173. He's Jooish too. You can tell by his nose and his Shiksa wife. Of course, like any Joo he'll deny it.

  174. General Smedly Butler

    Higham reports that "Du Pont men allegedly held an urgent series of meetings with the Morgans," to choose who would lead this "bizarre conspiracy." "They finally settled on one of the most popular soldiers in America, General Smedly Butler of Pennsylvania." Butler was approached by "fascist attorney" Gerald MacGuire (an official of the American Legion), who attempted to recruit Butler into the role of an American Hitler.

    "Butler was horrified," but played along with MacGuire until, a short time later, he notified the White House of the plot. Roosevelt considered having "the leaders of the houses of Morgan and Du Pont" arrested, but feared that "it would create an unthinkable national crisis in the midst of a depression and perhaps another Wall Street crash." Roosevelt decided the best way to defuse the plot was to expose it, and leaked the story to the press.

  175. Closing on 200. Time for a new round. Barkeep!

  176. Tue Aug 12, 07:08:00 PM EDT

    Who dat?

  177. Wiki says: A Silovik (силови́к, plural: siloviks or siloviki, силовики́, from a Russian word for force)

    (I never heard of that word, or it being used to mean force).

  178. Started to put
    "Mika's w/the KGB"

    there, but decided I'd ask permission first, since I cannot delete!

  179. Is there anyway you can filter out the FSB people?

    Who be the FSB?

    Ruskies, but what does FSB stand for?

  180. You do know mika is short for mikhael. :D

  181. Maher's Emmy snubs date to a 1995 nod for "Politically Incorrect" as outstanding variety, music or comedy series. ("The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" won that year for the first and perhaps last time.)

    That ABC show brought Maher 11 nominations in total — producing (eight), writing (two), and hosting (one). His current HBO series had earned him seven nods before this year — producing (three), writing (three), and hosting (one).

    In addition, he has a producing nod for his 2006 HBO special "Bill Maher: I'm Swiss." (That one lost to the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics no less.)


  182. Simplest answers to your first two questions: 1. Incursions on sites like this increased volume noticeably.
    2. Ask Condie Rice what she told Saakashvili last week; filter the answer.
    What's he getting at w/Condumb?

  183. Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti (Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation)

  184. Gorby?
    May I see your forehead?

  185. "This coupled with the promise of NATO membership, emboldened Georgian leaders into thinking that they could get away with a 'blitzkrieg' in South Ossetia"