COLLECTIVE MADNESS


“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Monday, August 25, 2008

Frank Marshall Davis, mentor to Obama, and Sexual Predator.

...author of "Christ is a Dixie Nigger"

Take a long and hard cold look at what makes Barack Hussein Obama and ask yourself "Is this the man you want to set and control the American education system for your children and grandchildren?" 

How important is a family and education to a young person? What of the early family and friends of Barack Hussein Obama? 

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Frank Marshall Davis, alleged Communist, was early influence on Barack Obama
New details about a black poet in Hawaii who was a key early influence in Barack Obama’s life can be revealed by The Telegraph
.  (hat tip: Bobal)

By Toby Harnden in Washington Telegraph
Last Updated: 9:25PM BST 24 Aug 2008

Barack Obama visited Mr Davis on several occasions to get his advice when he was grappling with racial issues Photo: AFP
Although identified only as Frank in Mr Obama’s memoir Dreams from My Father, it has now been established that he was Frank Marshall Davis, a radical activist and journalist who had been suspected of being a member of the Communist Party in the 1950s.

Obama's true colours: Making of the man who would be US president

Mr Davis moved to Honolulu from Chicago in 1948 with his second wife Helen Canfield, a white socialite, at the suggestion of his friend the actor Paul Robeson, who advised them that there would be more tolerance of a mixed race couple in Hawaii than on the American mainland.

A bohemian libertine who drank heavily and loved jazz, he became friends with Stanley Dunham, Mr Obama’s maternal grandfather in the 1960s. Mr Davis died in 1987 at the age of 81, five years before Mr Dunham.

“He knew Stan real well,” said Dawna Weatherly-Williams, a close friend of Mr Davis “They’d play Scrabble and drink and crack jokes and crack jokes and argue. Frank always won and he was always very braggadocio about it too. It was all jocular. They didn’t get polluted drunk. And Frank never really did drugs, though he and Stan would smoke pot together.”

While his mother was in Indonesia during part of his teenage years, Mr Obama lived with his white grandparents. Mrs Weatherly-Williams said that the poet was first introduced to the future Democratic presidential candidate in 1970 at the age of 10.

“Stan had been promising to bring Barry by because we all had that in common - Frank’s kids were half-white, Stan’s grandson was half-black and my son was half-black. We all had that in common and we all really enjoyed it. We got a real kick out of reality.”

Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's half-sister, told the Associated Press recently that her grandfather had seen Mr Davis was “a point of connection, a bridge if you will, to the larger African-American experience for my brother".

In his memoir, Mr Obama recounts how he visited Mr Davis on several occasions, apparently at junctures when he was grappling with racial issues, to seek his counsel. At one point in 1979 Mr Davis described university as “an advanced degree in compromise” that was designed to keep blacks in their place.

Mr Obama quoted him as saying: “Leaving your race at the door. Leaving your people behind. Understand something, boy. You’re not going to college to get educated. You’re going there to get trained.”

He added that “they’ll tank on your chain and let you know that you may be a well-trained, well-paid nigger, but you’re a nigger just the same.”

It has also been established that Mr Davis, who divorced in 1970, was the author of a hard-core pornographic autobiography published in San Diego in 1968 by Greenleaf Classics under the pseudonym Bob Greene.

In a surviving portion of an autobiographical manuscript, Mr Davis confirms that he was the author of Sex Rebel: Black after a reader had noticed the “similarities in style and phraseology” between the pornographic work and his poetry.

“I could not then truthfully deny that this book, which came out in 1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine.” In the introduction to Sex Rebel, Mr Davis (writing as Greene) explains that although he has “changed names and identities…all incidents I have described have been taken from actual experiences”.

He stated that “under certain circumstances I am bisexual” and that he was “ a voyeur and an exhibitionist” who was “occasionally mildly interested in sado-masochism”, adding: “I have often wished I had two penises to enjoy simultaneously the double – but different – sensations of oral and genital copulation.”

The book, which closely tracks Mr Davis’s life in Chicago and Hawaii and the fact that his first wife was black and his second white, describes in lurid detail a series of shockingly sordid sexual encounters, often involving group sex.

One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called Anne. Mr Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her. “I’m not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I’d rather not bed a babe under 20.
“But there are exceptions. I didn’t want to disappoint the trusting child. At her still-impressionistic age, a rejection might be traumatic, could even cripple her sexually for life.”

He then described how he and his wife would have sex with the girl. “Anne came up many times the next several weeks, her aunt thinking she was in good hands. Actually she was.

“She obtained a course in practical sex from experienced and considerate practitioners rather than from ignorant insensitive neophytes….I think we did her a favour, although the pleasure was mutual.”

On other occasions, Mr Davis would cruise in Hawaii parks looking for couples or female tourists to have sex with. He derived sexual gratification from bondage, simulated rape and being flogged and urinated on.

He boasted that “the number of white babes interested in at least one meeting with a Negro male has been far more than I can handle” and wished “America were as civilised as, say, Scandinavia”. He concluded: “I regret none of my experiences or unusual appetites; for me they are normal.”

According to Mrs Weatherly-Williams, Mr Davis lost touch with Mr Dunham some time in the 1980s. John Edgar Tidwell, who wrote the introduction to Davis's memoir and edited a collection of his work, said that there was no mention of Mr Dunham or Mr Obama in any of Mr Davis’s papers.



103 comments:

  1. Golly ...
    I gotta go get some coffee

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  2. We're talking about a high-school kid talking to a friend of his grand-father; right?

    I don't know. I don't think I'd want to hit too hard on this. 1979 was a long time ago. Maybe, once around the block for the sex perversion/drugs angle, but no more.

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  3. Rezko is much more interesting story. Gotta have more legs.

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  4. Rufus, by itself you are correct, but with everything else, this guy was made, designed, planned and programed by a core of real Left wingers. That is his tribe and relevant.

    McCain, third generation US Navy, Annapolis, ex pow is also relevant. I'll go with Mac over what the Left is pushing.

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  5. The SOB never spent ANY time around normal folk, except for his fellow dopers and snorters in Highschool.

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  6. The profile is common. He was no communist - card-carrying or otherwise. He was a pervert looking for social and intellectual legitimacy as an ideological rebel. The naked truth before spin became king. The story is more about Davis than Obama. Juicy though. No disputing that.

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  7. "He was a pervert looking for social and intellectual legitimacy as an ideological rebel. "
    ---
    Can everyone say
    "Alan Ginsberg?"

    Too bad he's gone, Barry would make him Poet Laureat.

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  8. Yeah, that's why I'd let somebody run it around, ONCE. Just to kind of reinforce the FUBAR flavor of the man.

    Nobody except an extreme political junkie will pay the slightest bit of attention to it; but, it might help raise some money.

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  9. al-Bob and I say again:
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    Michele our Belle, and Big Eared Barry say the same things as the "Rev" Wright, just using different words.
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    America Haters are America Haters, no matter the flavor.

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  10. this guy was made, designed, planned and programed by a core of real Left wingers

    That and the seemingly endless feud internal to the Party between hard-core Left and centrist Clintonites.

    Not all that different from the estrangement in the Republican Party between religious right and the centrists.

    The simplest explanation is that this election represents a purging of extremism from the political parties.



    But if that makes Obama a Marxist, call him a Marxist. I think he is something else as I tried to articulate previously. Doesn't matter, Obama is Not McCain and McCain is Not Obama.


    "Charles" posted somewhere a prediction that Obama gets 40% popular vote which means end of the Kerry/Gore/Obama Left. Mark Warner, VA Gov, as 2008 keynote speaker, is being groomed for 2012 to run against Romney(?)

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  11. "Yeah, that's why I'd let somebody run it around, ONCE."
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    Dowd has a piece about John Inc now WAY overusing the POW rational as a retort to almost everything.
    Hope somebody takes her advice.

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  12. He's not a Marxist:
    He just has Marxist instincts, attitudes, and POLICIES.
    ...that's all.
    (folks)

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  13. "As I tried (and failed) to articulate previously"

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  14. That concludes my waste of my precious pixel juice.

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  15. That's a Howl Doug.

    I agree about Michelle. As the one who isn't running for office, she is more free to express herself, which she does, and it's borderline radical. If her husband wants to hold public office, he will have to work the system. Obama knows this. As any previous president can attest, good luck with that.

    McCain in 2008 but if that doesn't happen, the system will keep Obama on a leash. The world will not end.

    Enough with this. I questioned the "Marxist" label. I focused on Obama, not his wife. That's all.


    You and Bob can have your own room in Heaven.

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  16. His policies are socialist, not Marxist.

    His attitude is elitist and condescending, not Marxist.

    His instincts are compromise with the system, not Marxist.

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  17. Early Michelle was a classic example of a completely unique amature non-handling of a campaign.
    I kept hoping it would go on forever, but they finally read the reviews and put a cork in her long enough to rev up a spin machine for her to take out in public.

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  18. Mon Aug 25, 10:17:00 AM EDT
    Fuck you, asshole!

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  19. Well at least you're on topic.

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  20. "His instincts are compromise with the system, not Marxist."
    ---
    Did you ever listen to Fredosso?

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  21. (might get some ammunition for your third point)

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  22. I'd say he's a pragmatic Marxist, willing always to compromise with the system to further the ultimate cause:
    Barry Hussein Obama.

    In fact compromise with the system INSTEAD OF the reform that he claims to represent, is his default position.

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  23. One highly parsed qualifier does not a Marxist make.

    I am done with this. 2164th will gently warn about tedious subjects to be dropped. I think this one qualifies. I do not understand your obsessive fixation. I never insulted you. I said I was "off the reservation" then proceeded to explain why, which you labeled as "making an ass of myself." Then the fingers started to flip.

    If Francis were watching I do believe he would conclude that nobody on this board is seriously worth his moral outrage.

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  24. His Hippy Whore Mother's parents were classic commie supporters like Horowitz's, except the Horowitz's were honest about it.

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  25. RE compromise as the default position.

    Well you can all go home now folks. It's all over. They're all commies.

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  26. You're just too fucking stupid to admit you MIGHT be wrong.
    Not MY problem.
    I'm wrong all the time.

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  27. Come on Habu:
    Rip her a new one!

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  28. Would that make Habu a
    Sexual Predator?

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  29. Just too crude. I notice you go after the girls.

    RE the Marxism, I am neither stupid nor wrong.

    RE you, I am both.

    I thought you could be engaged.

    You're just a walking talking explosion, waiting to happen.

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  30. A Misogynistic Fusion Device.

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  31. And don't threaten me with this Habu character. Know exactly who and what he is - arrogant little bully who just gets worse under cover of anonymity.

    Another one that goes after the girls.

    Actually anything that gets in his way more like it.

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  32. All labels are acceptable, except "Marxist."
    Just because.

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  33. Girls are put upon:
    I recommend Title 9 protections and compensations for the blogosphere.

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  34. You're just being mean to me because I'm an almost dead old white guy.

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  35. "Marxist" is inflammatory which is the point. One side can outshout the other. The average American is utterly contemptuous of having his emotions manipulated by name-calling. It is undignified and unsuitable to the process. Speaking of which, welcome to Rollerball Week in Hell. You want yelling and screaming??

    The adults meet next week.

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  36. Interesting reading this Monday morning. I see Mattie managed to put both feet in his mouth and swallow hard. His concluding line after screaming "I'm not a racist" is just too good to pass up:

    Mattie wrote:

    "I wouldn't go as far as predetermination, there's always the exception. But I do think there's a strong correlation between genetics and culture. If you open your eyes, you can see it in America."


    hmmmm, strong correlation between culture and genetics hunh? How about a definition of racist for you:

    "rac·ism
    /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. "

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist

    classic mattie young man, classic!

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  37. Fractious Coalition in Pakistan Breaks Apart
    Nawaz Sharif, the head of the minority party, said that his members would leave the alliance, citing broken promises by the leader of the major party.
    Times Topics: Pakistan

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  38. Folks, I've read over with concentration the line up of today's events in Denver, and as far as I can see the following are the only attractions:

    Presentation of Colors
    Navajo Code Talkers Association

    National Anthem
    Colorado Children's Chorale

    Musical Performance
    John Legend (vocals & piano) and accompanied by:
    Agape Choir

    Benediction
    Don Miller -Portland, Oregon


    You won't be missing much, if you miss the rest of it, though I must note, Michelle Obama is the keynote speaker.




    Monday’s headline prime-time speaker will be Michelle Obama.

    3:00 PM - 7:00 PM (LOCAL)

    Call to Order
    The Honorable Howard Dean
    Chair, Democratic National Committee
    Former Governor of Vermont

    Invocation
    The Honorable Polly Baca – Greeley, Colorado
    Former Colorado State Senator
    President & CEO Latin American Research & Service Agency

    Presentation of Colors
    Navajo Code Talkers Association
    Keith Little, Frank Willeto, Bill Toledo, Jimmy Begay

    Pledge of Allegiance
    Angela Morgan –Alexandria, Virginia
    Served 9 years in the Marines and now runs a leadership development small business

    National Anthem
    Colorado Children's Chorale
    Group over 30-years old – Tad Koriath (piano)
    Local children (7-14) performing throughout US & the world (China, Asia, Europe, etc.)

    Welcome
    Reverend Leah D. Daughtry
    Convention CEO & Chief of Staff, Democratic National Committee

    Video - “Welcome to the West”

    Introduction of and Report by the Credentials Committee
    The Honorable Howard Dean
    Chair, Democratic National Committee
    Eliseo Roques-Arroyo
    Co-Chair Credentials Committee
    Former Executive Director, Democratic Party of Puerto Rico
    James Roosevelt, Jr.
    Co-Chair Credentials Committee
    Pres. & CEO Tuffs Health Plan (HMO) and grandson of FDR
    The Honorable Alexis Herman
    Co Chair Credentials Committee
    Former US Secretary of Labor

    Introduction of and Report by the Rules Committee
    The Honorable Howard Dean
    Chair, Democratic National Committee
    Sunita Leeds
    Co-Chair Rules Committee
    Chair of the DNC Indo-American Leadership Council
    The Honorable Mary Rose Oakar
    Co-Chair Rules Committee
    Former Member of the US Congress, Ohio,
    President of the American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee
    The Honorable David Walters
    Co-Chair Rules Committee
    Former Governor of Oklahoma
    President of Walters Power International

    Video - Changing the Course of Our Nation
    Featuring Ashley Baia -Native of Pennsylvania and an Obama field organizer mentioned in Obama's Philadelphia speech. Know as the "sandwich girl" who, at age 9, convinced her mother she liked mustard & relish sandwiches to save money while her mother was fighting cancer. She is now twenty-three.

    Introduction of Convention Co-Chairs
    The Honorable Howard Dean
    Chair, Democratic National Committee
    The Honorable Shirley Franklin
    Mayor of Atlanta, Georgia
    The Honorable Leticia Van de Putte
    State Senator, Texas District 26
    The Honorable Kathleen Sebelius
    Governor of Kansas
    The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
    Speaker of the US House of Representatives
    Member of the US House of Representatives, California
    Permanent Chair of the 2008 Democratic National Convention

    Turning Over the Gavel
    The Honorable Howard Dean, temporary Chair of the Convention turns over the gavel to
    The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Permanent Chair of the 2008 Democratic Convention.

    Remarks
    The Honorable Doris Matsui, Parliamentarian
    Member of the US House of Representatives, California

    Andrew Tobias, Treasurer
    Democratic Party Treasurer

    Remarks by the Secretary and the Electronic Roll Call of Attendance
    Alice Travis Germond - West Virginia
    Secretary, Democratic Party
    Member of the Democratic National Committee

    Remarks – Presentation of Platform
    The Honorable Patricia Madrid
    Co-Chair Platform Committee
    Attorney General of New Mexico

    Judith McHale
    Co-Chair Platform Committee
    Business Executive (former President, Discovery Communications; Board of DigitalGlobal)

    Remarks
    The Honorable John Hickenlooper
    Mayor of Denver, Colorado

    Congressional Hispanic Caucus
    The Honorable Joe Baca
    Member of the US House of Representatives, California

    The Honorable Grace Napolitano
    Member of the US House of Representatives, California

    The Honorable Silvestre Reyes
    Member of the US House of Representatives, Texas

    Remarks
    Nancy Keenan
    President, NARAL - Pro-Choice America

    The Honorable Emil Jones, Jr.
    State Senator, Illinois
    Amanda Kubik
    Young Delegate – North Dakota

    Ret. Rear Admiral John Hutson,
    Pres. Franklin Pierce Law Center in Concord – lifetime Republican

    Reg Weaver
    President, National Education Association

    The Honorable Manuel Diaz
    Mayor of Miami, Florida

    Video - Changing the Course of Our Nation
    Featuring Gabrielle Grossman
    New Hampshire Obama Supporter "U2 mamma for Obama"

    Remarks
    The Honorable Lisa Madigan
    Attorney General, Illinois

    The Honorable Dan Hynes
    Comptroller, Illinois

    The Honorable Alexi Giannoulis
    State Treasurer, Illinois

    Randi Weingarten
    American Federation of Teachers

    The Honorable Amy Klobuchar
    US Senator, Minnesota

    Musical Performance
    John Legend (vocals & piano) and accompanied by:
    Agape Choir - International Spiritual Center, Culver City, CA
    Trans-denominational Spiritual Community founded by Dr. Michael Bernard Beckwith

    Video/Remarks
    The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
    Speaker of the US House of Representatives
    Permanent Chair, Democratic National Convention

    Video - First Time Delegates: Renewing America's Promise

    America’s Town Hall – Economy
    Moderator: Senator Sherrod Brown - Ohio,
    Panelists: Ned Helms, Lisa Olivares, Dr. Laura Tyson, Jon Schnur

    Remarks
    Margie Perez
    New Orleans jazz singer & song writer from Musicians Village

    President Jimmy Carter Segment
    Jimmy Carter/New Orleans Video
    Acknowledgment of President Carter

    Remarks
    Maya Soetoro-Ng
    Half-sister of Barack Obama
    High School teacher - Hawaii

    7:00 PM - 9:00 PM

    Remarks
    The Honorable Jesse Jackson, Jr.
    Member of the US House of Representatives, Illinois

    Mike Fisher & Cheryl Fisher – Beech Grove, Indiana
    Mike – Amtrak tech & Cheryl – hospital tech (hosted Obama for lunch)

    Tom Balanoff
    President, SEIU Local 1 (Chicago)

    Senator Edward M. Kennedy Tribute
    Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg
    Daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy

    Video - Edward M. Kennedy Video

    Remarks
    The Honorable Miguel Del Valle
    City Clerk of Chicago, Illinois

    Candi Schmieder
    Delegate Chair, Iowa County Convention

    Jerry Kellman
    Hired & supervised Obama at Developing Communities Project - Chicago, Illinois

    Introduction of Jim Leach by
    The Honorable Tom Harkin
    US Senator, Iowa

    The Honorable Jim Leach
    Former Republican Member of the US House of Representatives, 1st District, Iowa

    Introduction of Claire McCaskill by
    Austin Esposito
    Son of Senator McCaskill

    The Honorable Claire McCaskill
    US Senator, Missouri

    Video - Michelle Obama Package

    Introduction to the Michelle Obama Package
    Craig Robinson
    Older brother of Michelle Obama

    Remarks
    Michelle Obama
    Wife of Presidential Candidate Barack Obama

    Benediction
    Don Miller -Portland, Oregon
    Best-selling author & public speaker focusing on Christian spirituality

    Recess
    The Honorable Kathleen Sebelius
    Governor of Kansas

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  39. I thought you'd be in Denver today, Ash!

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  40. "The adults meet next week."
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    The Ivy League Speaks.
    ...alum of UCB and UCSB.

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  41. 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. "


    Mat argues that culture and genetics are at play with "groups"

    But mat does NOT argue that this gives the right of one group to RULE or be superior...

    The west judges the living standard of the palestinians by our own standards of employment and wealth creation...

    sadly the west doesnt KNOW the culture of the palestinians, one that is focused on the alpha male to sit in coffee houses for hours per day and making their children work (as child labor) to support them...

    Many will point to genetics that allow the african males to BE superior in professional atheltics, whereas some would call me racist to make the observation that Jimmy the Greek made (and lost his job over)

    Genetics are real, why ignore them?

    Cultures are not created equal, in all contests there are different measurements

    this doesnt make anyone racist, this is just being honest...

    What is racist?

    Rev Wright is a racist...

    Stealing another's history is racism

    The American African "project" shows that when one creates a FAKE group (by skin color) one creates a faulty culture that cannot compete with naturally created cultures

    again, competing is a western notion that is now being applied to the americans of african descent.

    But look to the Motherland as well...

    How does Africa fare in world competition in economics?

    Patents?

    Business & wealth creation?

    Africa has been a genetic group for 10's of millions of years, amply supplied with all she needs to survive...

    One could argue that the "whites, yellows & light browns" that LEFT the womb of Africa had it much worse, thus genetically over the thousands of years developed a much more aggressive people that learned to survive in a less friendly place...

    mat aint a racist...

    obama is...

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  42. Hey, al-Bob,
    re: Coloradao:
    What about them Hailstones?

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  43. I thought you'd be driving out to Minnesota Bobal about now.

    I'm no particular fan of Democrats Bobal but McCain, he's a goner. Rich did a pretty good job of highlighting this possibility:

    "What we have learned this summer is this: McCain’s trigger-happy temperament and reactionary policies offer worse than no change. He is an unstable bridge back not just to Bush policies but to an increasingly distant 20th-century America that is still fighting Red China in Vietnam and the Soviet Union in the cold war. As the country tries to navigate the fast-moving changes of the 21st century, McCain would put America on hold.

    What Obama also should have learned by now is that the press is not his friend. Of course, he gets more ink and airtime than McCain; he’s sexier news. But as George Mason University’s Center for Media and Public Affairs documented in its study of six weeks of TV news reports this summer, Obama’s coverage was 28 percent positive, 72 percent negative. (For McCain, the split was 43/57.) Even McCain’s most blatant confusions, memory lapses and outright lies still barely cause a ripple, whether he’s railing against a piece of pork he in fact voted for, as he did at the Saddleback Church pseudodebate last weekend, or falsifying crucial details of his marital history in his memoirs, as The Los Angeles Times uncovered in court records last month."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24rich.html

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  44. The truth is
    "Inflamatory"
    Welcome to Orwell.

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  45. WiO wrote:

    "But mat does NOT argue that this gives the right of one group to RULE or be superior..."

    Naw, he's beyond the RULE part, he wants to kill them - he's said so many, many times.

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  46. alum of UCB and UCSB.

    Is that where you picked up your "see" vocabulary?

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  47. "The average American"
    ---
    Message to all you non-average Americans:

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  48. message to all you average assholes:

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  49. Rich's conclusion:

    " It is, after all, not mere happenstance that so many conservative pundits — Rich Lowry, Peggy Noonan, Ramesh Ponnuru — have, to McCain’s irritation, proposed that he “patriotically” declare in advance that he will selflessly serve only a single term. Whatever their lofty stated reasons for promoting this stunt, their underlying message is clear: They recognize in their heart of hearts that the shelf life of McCain’s experience has already reached its expiration date.

    Is a man who is just discovering the Internet qualified to lead a restoration of America’s economic and educational infrastructures? Is the leader of a virtually all-white political party America’s best salesman and moral avatar in the age of globalization? Does a bellicose Vietnam veteran who rushed to hitch his star to the self-immolating overreaches of Ahmad Chalabi, Pervez Musharraf and Mikheil Saakashvili have the judgment to keep America safe?

    R.I.P., “Change We Can Believe In.” The fierce urgency of the 21st century demands Change Before It’s Too Late. "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24rich.html

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  50. Naw, that was in the Army.
    When I returned to USeeSB, a helpful coed explained that I might be outta line, but I was too blind to C.
    But I was angry then,
    now I C, her point, but I still have a sense of humor, in spite of the fact that many these days don't.
    Boo Hoo.

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  51. News says a summer frost in Minnesota and Wisconsin, Doug, hail in Denver is no surprise. It snowed here on the Fourth of July one year. Denver way high, I can imagine they get some nasty weather once in a while.

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  52. Wasting so much pixel breath.

    After I thought I had taught you so well to rise above it.

    Ah well. Some people never learn.

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  53. al-Bob,
    Yeah,
    I drove my 68 Beetle back from Olathe, Kansas, battling ferocious headwinds in tornado weather.
    Got to Somewhere Colorado East of Denver, and Rolled out my 13 Dollar Sleeping Bag and went to sleep.
    Not for long:
    13 Bucks Vs 10,000ft plus = equals one frozen-ass California Dreamer.
    Lesson Learned.

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  54. Your Recovering Dreamers Anonymous card is in the mail.

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  55. al-Bob and al-Doug are in the High Altitude Aether again, only the blind cannot C.

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  56. a bellicose Vietnam veteran

    Just for starters there Ash, wasn't McCain one of the ones that first proposed to normalize relations with Vietnam?

    What's your take on the topic of the thread, Ash? Should we have any concern that Obama says he was mentored by a child molesting commie?

    Doug, I knew a girl here who, after she got married took a honeymoon up around Denver--this time of year too--when she woke up in the camper one morning, her hair was frozen to the window:)

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  57. All this guilt by association is rather tiresome Bobal but it seems to be the primary weapon in the GOP arsenal which demonstrates their precarious position. McCain's going down big time I think.

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  58. "a bellicose Vietnam veteran"
    I was a bellicose Vietnam ERA Veteran, but I got over it.
    (IT being the reaction of the commie-propagandized populace)
    John, othoh, (as 'Rat Informs) COULD have dangerous issues stemming from events none of us can relate to or imagine.

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  59. Wheelie-popping motorcyclist tops 150 mph, pauses to use cell phone

    By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune

    A speeding teenage motorcyclist who popped a wheelie on a North Dakota interstate and then opened up the throttle to more than 150 miles per hour took enough care to pull over before using his cell phone.

    By the time authorities caught up with the suspect and his 1000cc Honda CBR, he was sitting in a ditch in Minnesota talking on his cell phone and promptly was arrested, according to the North Dakota Highway Patrol.

    The motorcyclist, from Fargo, N.D., waived extradition and was returned to North Dakota to face charges of reckless driving and fleeing police.

    According to the patrol:

    The wild and woolly 35-minute scene began shortly before 4 p.m. Sunday, when a state trooper spotted the motorcyclist on Interstate Hwy. 29 in Fargo "riding a wheelie past several other motorists."

    The trooper, in pursuit, radioed for help. A second trooper also couldn't stop the motorcyclist, whose "speeds exceeded 150 mph as the suspect fled out of the Fargo area on I-29 southbound" and "weaved through traffic in [a] construction zone, creating a gap between himself and the trooper."

    About 4:30 p.m., with the chase suspended, a Cass County deputy in Minnesota found the motorcyclist "sitting in the ditch talking on his cell phone" south of Moorhead.

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  60. Rezko
    Wright
    Ayers
    Frank Marshall Davis
    who am I leaving out?

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  61. "guilt by association"
    ---
    Guilt by WHO THEY ARE.

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  62. The Mormon Choirboy Chose al-Bob's list to associate with.
    NOT

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  63. I am Mr. Cleaver Beaver, I just happened to LOVE anti-American Commies and Commie Symps.

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  64. ...and domestic terrorists who MURDER AMERICAN CITIZENS.

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  65. I choose to associate with you guys and gals but it hardly defines who I am or what my policy positions are. Carry on chasing the windmills though and maybe your man McCain will triumph but I doubt it.

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  66. The Hillary voters are pissed, Ash, the Hillary voters are pissed.



    Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not sold on Obama

    DENVER — Fewer than half of Hillary Rodham Clinton's supporters in the presidential primaries say they definitely will vote for Barack Obama in November, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, evidence of a formidable challenge facing Democrats as their national convention opens here today.
    In the survey, taken Thursday through Saturday, 47% of Clinton supporters say they are solidly behind Obama, and 23% say they support him but may change their minds before the election.

    Thirty percent say they will vote for Republican John McCain, someone else or no one at all.

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  67. BTW, Slade:
    at USeeSB, some Obama Wannabes planted a bomb in the faculty lounge and blew up a custodian.
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    I'm sure his family understood it was just a rowdy student demonstration, not something propagated by a larger communist powered plot.

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  68. I choose to associate with you guys and gals but it hardly defines who I am or what my policy positions are

    FUCKING MORON.

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  69. who am I leaving out?

    Emil Jones Jr Illinois State legislature, Obama's Kingmaker, the man behind The Man.

    I guess Matt and wio are right - it must be genetic. I see practical, like Jones with eyes on the big ball. Others obsessed with small-time rhetoricians nothing more than scam artists.

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  70. I expect both sides will make so many gaffs and screwups that we will be constantly entertained until November.

    Doesn't that pick of Biden just send tingles up your legs, Ash?

    What a daring new politics kind of choice! Reaching outside the box! New blood in the old democratic party! From this day forth we will begin anew!

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  71. who am I leaving out?
    ==
    Ashley.

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  72. Rezko
    Wright
    Ayers
    Frank Marshall Davis
    Emil Jones Jr


    some Obama Wannabes planted a bomb in the faculty lounge and blew up a custodian

    I missed that one.

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  73. Obama doesn't have a problem with being considered new his problem was the cries of lack of experience, being too new. The Biden selection seems to address that problem - old white beltway foreign policy expert advising the young inspirational new black kid on the block.

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  75. "nothing more than scam artists."
    The Commies had no influence labor leaders in San Francisco, MLK, Eldrige Cleaver, Cassius Clay, Horowitz, Tom Hayden, Robert Scheer, etc and etc.
    Just didn't happen.

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  76. Rezko
    Wright
    Ayers
    Frank Marshall Davis
    Emil Jones Jr
    Ash :)

    Actually, I believe Ash would be a good influence on Obama, though it would be hard to overcome the influence of those others cited above. Ash is no child molester, nor thief, wouldn't try to blow up the Pentagon, and, while he might criticize the country, he wouldn't say G-D DAMN AMERICA. He might just be the best mentor Obama ever had.

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  77. Will Francis/Habu/whoever take out a hit on me if I don't condemn every fringe radical outburst of violence. (as in the anti-abortionist bombings?)

    I'm repeating myself - the over-the-line rhetoric - encourages this kind of behavior. The radical Greens just one heinous example of excuses looking for reasons.

    Is the subject now civil disobedience and its boundaries?

    Somebodies gonna get arrested yet. Keep it up guys. Feds outside your doors.

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  78. ...and labor leader imports from SF to Hawaii.

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  79. "nothing more than scam artists."

    The Commies had no influence ON labor leaders in San Francisco, MLK, Eldrige Cleaver, Cassius Clay, Horowitz, Tom Hayden, Robert Scheer, etc and etc.
    Just didn't happen.

    AND Labor Leaders in Hawaii.

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  80. Robert Scheer

    Doug, does that guy write for one of the magazines, or newspapers. Is he more or less our age, still hung up on the 60's. I seem to remember that name, as belonging to a guy that gave a talk at the University of Idaho many, many moons ago.

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  81. advising the young inspirational new CORRUPT commie black kid on the block

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  82. He used to write in Horowitz's Treasonous Magazine, "Ramparts"

    Then got a job with some REAL Traitors at the LA Times.
    ...where he still spews.

    Married to a RICH WHITE Wife, per usual.

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  83. Mon Aug 25, 12:16:00 PM EDT
    SICK

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  84. Why I prefer Russians to Indians Chinese South Americans Black Americans Black Africans Turkic Asians.

    ==
    Mark Franchetti in Moscow
    The Sunday Times
    August 24, 2008

    Russians dent Google’s world domination
    How a bunch of young upstarts humbled the search-engine giant


    THE Russian mathematician was 24 years old when he first saw a personal computer, one of only a dozen in the whole Soviet Union. That was in 1984.

    A little over two decades later, Arkady Volozh is the chief executive and one of the founders of Yandex, Russia’s most popular internet search engine, a company now valued at £2.5 billion. Widely described as Russia’s answer to Google, Yandex was launched only eight years ago but is now visited by 8m people a day. More impressive still, Yandex and Volozh are credited with humbling Google, by denting its global domination.

    Russia is one of only four countries where the American search giant fares considerably worse than local services – alongside China, where the internet is controlled by the government, South Korea and the Czech Republic. To “Google it” may be the common way of searching in much of the world but in Russia Yandex holds 55% of the market compared with Google’s 21%.

    It is an advantage Google can ill afford to ignore. As Russia’s economy prospers and its middle class grows, the country is expected to become Europe’s largest internet-user market in the next five years – 60m people by 2013.

    Thirteen years ago, when the Russian internet first took off, its entire traffic was small enough to fit on an ordinary flash memory card. Today, by contrast, 33m Russians, as many people as in Britain and already more than in France, use the web.

    As a result Yandex is booming. In 2000, when the company was valued at only £7m, its yearly revenue was about £200,000. In 2007 it reached £85m, and industry analysts believe that this figure will probably double this year.

    This autumn Yandex is planning to float on the Nasdaq exchange. A group of western investment funds that in 2000 gave the company some £2.5m is expected to sell about £700m worth of shares.

    “These are very exciting times,” said Volozh as he prepared to move the company, which employs 1,200 people, to a vast new office in central Moscow. “Russia has the potential to become the largest internet-user market in Europe. It’s a huge market with fantastic growth. Every day more and more people in Russia are discovering the internet.

    “We have better technology and understanding of the market. I take the competition seriously and every day check the latest figures to see where it is, but I think we will stay far ahead. What was enough for Google to conquer other markets isn’t enough in Russia.

    “In two years since Google opened an office in Russia we haven’t lost a single specialist to our competitors because Yandex is one of the best companies to work for in Russia.”

    Broadband penetration in Russia, currently at 10%, is forecast to triple in the next two years. Google, which in an attempt to fight back last month bought Begun, a contextual advertising company for £70m, expects the market for search-relat-ed ads in Russia to rise from £100m last year to £500m by 2010.

    Yandex, the world’s second most popular nonEnglish search engine after China’s Baidu, is to open an office in Silicon Valley, headed by one of Yahoo’s former senior vice-presidents. Its New York flotation promises to be the largest yet in Russian technology.

    Volozh, 44, who has a degree in applied mathematics, worked as a specialist at a Soviet state pipeline institute when the so-called “kooperativ” (small private businesses) were legalised in 1987. Destined to work for the state for the rest of his life, the young mathematician was unexpectedly ordered to start dabbling in business.

    “Ironically, my first business experience was thanks to the Communist party,” said Volozh. “When the law about kooperativ was passed, our boss at the institute came to us and said: you guys are mathematicians, you start a business. We began trading computers and I was made technical director. I was only 24. [We were paid in hardware instead of cash and] I earned two personal computers in one year, a huge sum in those days – enough to buy my first flat, a two-bedroom Moscow apartment.”

    By 1990 Volozh had co-founded a company that became one of the largest distributors of computer technology in Russia. At a time when most insiders believed the future of the industry to be mainly in selling hardware, Volozh had great faith in the talent and know-how of Russian specialists. With a group of five computer programmers working out of a cramped flat, he helped set up a search engine for patents.

    The experiment led to Yandex (short for yet another indexer), an engine aimed at improving Russian-language searching, which is complicated because of its grammar.

    Initial scepticism soon gave way to a giddy rise. Two years after its launch, Yandex took over Rambler, then Russia’s most popular search engine, and broke even a year later. It organised its own free wi-fi network with hotspots all over Russia long before Google got into that game in America and, far from being only a search engine, developed a series of special features.

    Its mail service, said Volozh, is protected by unique antispam technology created by its software engineers; it has its own blog search, homegrown electronic-payment system, a social-networking site for business people as well as a real-time traffic-monitoring system, a feature Volozh proudly demonstrated on his mobile phone.

    “Our technology is better suited for the Russian market,” he said. “We have brilliant mathematicians and programmers. We are very strong on data analysis and have developed better technology, which is cutting-edge in Russia. We are constantly inventing new programs to stay ahead.”

    Yandex’s management style is also very unusual for a Russian company – 120 key specialists have stock options in the business, a first in Russia. Employees, who walk around the office in T-shirts, determine their own timetable, have access to a free canteen and are allowed to play pool and table tennis at work.

    In a country where the rich typically flaunt their money, live in lavish mansions, travel by private jet and are shadowed by bodyguards, Volozh – who industry analysts say could soon become a dollar billionaire – is an unlikely business tycoon. He owns neither a yacht nor a plane, drives a Volvo and insists that money has not changed his life.

    Even more remarkable for Russia, where business and politics are often intermingled and where connections can be more important than know-how, Volozh never cultivated friends in high places.

    Some say that may have to change now that Yandex has been valued at £2.5 billion and has become one of Russia’s best-known brands.

    Interest in the company is growing. Alisher Usmanov, the metals bil-lionaire and Arsenal football club shareholder who has invested heavily of late in the Russian internet, was recently reported to be keen on buying a quarter of the company. For now at least, Volozh does not seem to be considering a sale.

    “I’m very proud of the fact that we have created something so successful out of nothing, but above all a great brand that sends a positive signal about Russia and that says something about the great talent there is here,” he said.

    “People abroad don’t realise that there are many positive things happening in Russia. Yandex is one of them. It’s the country’s best high-tech company. As for what the future holds – more growth, in Russia and abroad. There are huge opportunities for us in former Soviet countries and beyond.”

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    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article4596416.ece

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  85. Much of Israel's brain capital originates in the former USSR. Israel has exceptional higher education institutions, no doubt about it, yet, everyone will tell you, young Israeli students are grossly lagging behind their Russian counterparts.

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  86. When I was in high school we always an exchange student or three from around the world. I don't know if they still do that, but it was a good program. And, we sent people to other countries too. With the internet sprouting up everywhere, it becomes easy to communicate with your friends and enemies around the globe. Seems to me that's a good thing, taken all in all.

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  87. Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev

    Early life

    Medvedev was born to Anatoly Afanasevich Medvedev and Yulia Veniaminovna Medvedeva (née Shaposhnikova),[4] both university professors, and brought up in Kupchino, a district of Leningrad, as Saint Petersburg was then called. He grew up in a 40 square meter (430 sq ft) flat.[5][6]

    Medvedev was an A and B student at the secondary school. His future wife, Svetlana Linnik, was his classmate. Medvedev was fond of sports, in particular weightlifting. Medvedev is a devoted fan of hard rock, listing Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin as his favorite bands.[5]

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  88. ash said...
    WiO wrote:

    "But mat does NOT argue that this gives the right of one group to RULE or be superior..."

    Naw, he's beyond the RULE part, he wants to kill them - he's said so many, many times.


    ash,

    when one group states (arabs & moslems) it's aim is genocide of Jews & israel, then it's not that he OR I are beyond rules, it's we believe we have a right to live, without it being legal to murder us...

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  89. Good Morning!!! 2164th.blogspot.com is one of the most excellent resourceful websites of its kind. I take advantage of reading it every day. Keep it that way.

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  90. 2020.06.01酒店小姐的基本介紹跟工作內容背滿學貸信貸,優渥人生對妳而言好遙遠?快來哈囉舒壓,我在酒店上班的日子給自己一個機會,不敢來酒店上班-酒店打工的原因成就日收破萬高薪人生! 工作環境單純,安全更無憂。想脫貧?這次好機會別錯過。酒店上班-酒店兼職-兼差如何達成人生的第一桶金免繳保證金/免證件/不綁約。薪資超透明 月入10萬不是夢。服務: 安全面試, 最佳顧問, 單純保證, 安全呵護。一、酒店兼差不是一個複雜的工作環境?酒店小姐的收入有多少?有急用可以借支嗎? 職場須知 【酒店PT 】以一個〝單純〞陪酒的酒店小姐,一天的收入約3000~7000(不含小費)除非有〝額外〞的服務,一天可以領。酒店小姐藝名用疊字感覺活潑易記
    雙雙 寶寶 安安 依依 佩佩 菲菲 婷婷 飄飄 麗麗
    蓉蓉 師師 小小 圓圓 蕊蕊 水水 珊珊 堯堯 嘉嘉
    冰冰 霜霜 柔柔 寧寧 薇薇 佳佳 露露 娜娜 暄暄
    茶茶 琪琪 巧巧 妞妞 玲玲 妍妍 晨晨 莎莎 芳芳
    點點 慧慧 真真 嬋嬋 珍珍 佳佳 婷婷 芊芊 多多
    而且只要做酒店工作,這些都是無法避免的「有人覺得做禮服店就賺很多,又不會出場,我都覺得是幻想。你不是模特兒等級的,哪間禮服店收?傳播工作與酒店工作有什麼不同傳播小姐與酒店小姐的工作內容其實大同小異,但在工作內容以外卻有許多的大不同,我來為各位做出
    便服店: #王牌酒店 #香閣里拉酒店 #麗園酒店 #龍亨酒店 #香水酒店 #金典酒店 #威晶酒店 #威士登酒店。
    禮服店: #麗緻忠孝酒店 #麗緻敦南酒店 #維多立亞酒店 #百達妃麗酒店 #萬豪酒店 #金荷酒店 #大富豪酒店 #絕色酒店。
    制服店:#麗都 #淘寶酒店 #金碧輝煌酒店 #金昌酒店 #金聰酒店 #君悅酒店 #盛世酒店 #奧斯卡酒店 #龍昇酒店 #龍昌酒店 #百富酒店 #台北東區酒店兼職。
    2者不同的差異性,給各位做個酒店工作內容: 桌面服務,一般人通常會想偏,其實桌面服務
    是很簡單,也很單純的一件事。桌面服務有以下幾個要點: 看了很多篇酒店文,好像很少有男生寫經驗? 我是酒店少爺,在滿18歲那天開始上班雖然不是第一次進去酒店,不過以工作人員的身份倒是頭一次,有一些沒有接觸過酒店的姐妹來找我應徵酒店小姐的時候,我們談的都很融洽,實際上她們也很需要來酒店上班賺錢,可是後來卻沒有來上班,不是沒有休假?那個是有簽約的對吧?

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  91. 2020.09.03不敢來酒店上班-酒店打工的原因最近梁曉尊應徵時, 酒店小姐的基本介紹跟工作內容有些女孩們都會問到有沒有行政助理的職缺?
    這是在酒店業存在很久的應徵的騙人噱頭了, 我在酒店上班的日子其目的就是以高薪來引誘不知情的美眉上門應徵,應徵時再叫一位大姐姐或是阿姨之類的老女人面試,談話聊天的同時再混淆妳的價值觀,告訴妳脫衣陪酒是小事一件,他們會說只要有錢賺,犧牲是應該的!用這種釣魚的方式來引誘天真無邪的女孩們,加上美麗的話術做包裝,實在會讓沒有社會經驗的女性心動不已,於是踏上了一條黑暗的不歸路!!
    如果行政助理月薪有50000元,有誰要去當酒店小姐呢??
    梁曉尊說在酒店可以很有尊嚴的賺錢,妳不用出賣肉體也可以生存,不要想一步登天,月入三十萬要付出什麼代價妳知道嗎?
    酒店小姐不要去做特別交易,用公務員的心態來上班,月入十來萬不是難事,何苦去出賣色相呢?
    被警察抓到怎麼辦? 妳的經紀人能幫妳嗎? 他也因妳違法要避風頭!
    妳之前賺的錢夠妳打官司嗎? 妳在坐牢期間家裡的生計可以維持嗎?染上性病或愛滋病怎麼辦?
    很多事情的前因後果要想清楚!酒店應徵的廣告說的愈生動就要愈小心,小心糖衣的背後就是陷阱。

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  92. 2021.03.30台中海派酒店打工名花「昆凌」之稱的張姓女子,稱自己有1.7億身家,農曆春節痛訴遭小6歲男公關Seven騙錢,還痛罵對方是「沒錢的花心渣男」,而讓她陷入愛河的原因,竟然只是因為一個便當。據《酒店工作新聞網》報導,酒店小姐張女4年前惹上詐欺官司,因為心情不好和朋友上夜店,剛好遇到Seven,不久對方開始追求她。一開始,張女認為Seven年紀太小,不願意接受,但對方不死心,為了她不去酒店上班,還每天帶便當給她吃,逐漸融化她的心,最後終於抱得美人歸。不過,2人交往並非一帆風順,張女直言,「沒有女友可以接受男朋友每天和一堆女人搞曖昧」,她和Seven常為了一些事情吵架,「但他堅持他愛我」,更透露2人擁有相同的人生境遇,「我們都是從小出來工作的人」,因此希望可以一起攜手走向未來。至於張女提到被Seven騙錢,她事後改口說的「是氣話」,還表示Seven對她很好,上周已收到聘金,還開心試婚紗,預計5月結婚,更自爆懷孕超過2個月。Seven也透露,張女所寫的內容都是誤會,不會計較,因為那都不是事實,承諾「未來也會負責好好照顧她和孩子」。

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  93. 台北市大安區,今天(3日)清晨發生一起砍人命案!一名酒店經紀男子到東區酒店消費,疑似到隔壁包廂敬酒發生衝突,酒店經紀左肩遭人砍傷,酒店經紀被攙扶走出酒店後就倒地不起,最後送醫不治。警方擴大調閱監視器在案發4小時後,逮捕動手的黃姓嫌犯。人行道上衛生紙,衣服鞋子,全部散落在地上,上面還殘留血跡,清晨五點多,台北市東區街上空蕩蕩,卻有一名男子倒在地上身上有刀傷,嚇得附近民眾急忙報警。目擊民眾:「先做CPR,總共搶救了三次,都沒救起來,救護人員完全救不起來了,全部酒店經紀的人開始緊張了,10樓好像有發生事情,我不太清楚。」一旁的大樓內有好幾間酒店,一大早好幾輛警車守在門口,鑑識人員和員警進進出出,仔細清查酒店經紀可疑人物,最後帶走一名酒店經紀,要釐清事情發生經過,而倒在地上的男子,疑似就是在其中一間酒店消費。酒店酒店小姐人員忙進忙出,還在店內打掃,對於命案發生經過,不願多談,案發在台北市忠孝東路四段大樓內,警方調查,受傷的羅姓男子當時在酒店內,和朋友聚會,發現隔壁包廂似乎有熟人,想過去敬酒,沒想到因為雙方喝得太醉,和一名25歲的黃姓男子,發生衝突,左邊肩膀遭砍傷送醫不治。大安分局偵查隊長謝志鑫:「酒後細故與人在包廂內發生衝突,左肩遭刺傷,步行離去時身體不適,倒臥大樓門口,羅民經119送往國泰醫院救治,因傷重於早上7時4分,急救無效宣告死亡。」避免衝突擴大,酒店公關第一時間,拉開雙方把死者帶到一樓就離開,沒想到疑似錯過黃金救援時間,導致死者失血過多身亡,黃姓嫌犯有多項毒品前科,案發後四小時被逮,但殺人動機為何,警方懷疑恐怕不只是敬酒這麼簡單。

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