“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Monday, April 19, 2010

Government Terrorism under Bill Clinton?

Rush Limbaugh blames Oklahoma City bombing on former President Bill Clinton
April 19, 5:01 PMPolitical Buzz ExaminerRyan Witt

Rush Limbaugh went on offense over the Oklahoma City bombing.

Right or wrong, the Oklahoma City bombing has become something of a political football ever since the terrorist attack occurred. Every anniversary a debate emerges as to who was to blame for the attack, and how it could have been prevented.

Last week, former President Bill Clinton lightly brushed upon the subject in a speech before the Center for American Progress. Without specifically mentioning the Oklahoma City bombing, Clinton warned about the danger of right-wing rhetoric in possibly promoting violence. Clinton specifically mentioned Rush Limbaugh's more extreme rants against the Obama administration.

Today, Rush Limbaugh shot back by directly blaming President Clinton for the Oklahoma City bombing. In the video below Limbaugh cites the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents as "tangible evidence' that Clinton helped to contribute to the Oklahoma City bombing. Under Limbaugh's reasoning Clinton is to blame because of how Waco and Ruby Ridge unfolded. Ironically, Limbaugh's rhetoric actually matches up with that of Timothy McVeigh who also claimed that Waco was the reason for the Oklahoma City bombing.

The real question is not whether Waco and Ruby Ridge served as inspiration for McVeigh in some way (most believe it certainly did), but rather whether Waco and Ruby Ridge serve as a justification for the bombing. Under Limbaugh's theory, McVeigh's actions are somehow excused because of what the government did at Waco.
The Waco raid certainly ended badly, but few doubt that the raid was legal.

Significant evidence existed showing that people within the Waco compound, most notably cult leader David Koresh, were engaged in sexual abuse against minors. They were also accused of illegally stockpiling weapons. The wisdom of how the raid was done and when it was done can be debated. but the government certainly had legal authority to enforce such laws.

And even if the Waco raid was illegal one must question how the raid would justify McVeigh's actions.

The women and children who died in Oklahoma City played absolutely no part in the decision to raid the Waco compound.

The blame for Oklahoma City lies first and foremost with the perpetrator of the crime. McVeigh plotted the crime and carried it through with devastating effectiveness. He was clearly a bit mentally disturbed before the attack, as evidenced by his belief that the army had implanted a chip in his buttocks to track his movements. McVeigh obviously had an anti-government mindset and that may or may not have been contributed to by right-wing talk at the time. Clinton seemed to address this notion with the proper caution by warning generally about the possibility of violence emerging from overly heated rhetoric. Limbaugh, on the other hand, seems to have adopted McVeigh's own justification for the bombing in trying to rebut Clinton's remarks.


  1. "A bit disturbed?"

    Is that somewhat like, Totally Bat-Shit Crazy?

  2. Departing planes frequently drowned out speakers, and reporters nearly outnumbered rally participants.

    In Washington, signs reading "Which part of 'shall not be infringed' confuses you?" and bright orange stickers saying "Guns save lives" dotted the crowd at the Washington Monument.

    Organizer Skip Coryell said he chose the date to mark the anniversary of the Revolutionary War battles of Lexington and Concord, and dismissed any associations with the actions of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. The bombing occurred on April 19, 1995.

    Bearing Arms

  3. If the Davidians weren't crazy before the seize they certainly sounded like it by the end.

    What disturbs me is the tendency of the left to demonize the right. It happened under Clinton and it seems to be happening again. The left is afraid of gun owning Americans. This fear leads them to demand action from the Feds. The Feds crackdown on the far right (the skindheads, neoNazis, survivalists, etc.) The liberal politicians go after guns and try to infringe on the right to bear arms. Under Clinton and Reno, this situation escalated to a series of incidents culminating in Oklahoma City.

    I would hate to see the cycle of violence repeat itself again. The left need to cool their jets and drop the rhetoric.

  4. Waco was a disgrace. Saving the children? How Bill Clinton can step back into his pathetic record on interior security and domestic terror is beyond me.

  5. Funny how the focus changes depending on the view from the White House and Justice Department:

    From two years ago - FBI: Eco-Terrorism Remains No. 1 Domestic Terror Threat

    A few years ago, the fascination was with Church Fires

    Another boogey man for the Clinton Administration was gun shows and of course the Dem favorite - Gun control lead to Waco, Ruby Ridge and possibly Oklahoma City.

  6. skindheads 1. colloquialism contraction for skinned heads. Originally used to describe the first victims of the indigenous savages referred to in the Declaration of Independence.

    Later the term was adopted by racists youth gangs and changed to skin heads.

    Skindheads is not to be confused with the result of circumcision.

  7. There is no end to irrational observations as evidenced by, "the other, another case of workplace overload", with reference to Major Hasan.

    By all the gods, what means "the other, another case of workplace overload"?

    I cannot see Major Hasan's defense team using that in open court. They may when it comes to sentencing.

    ..."the other, another case of workplace overload"...


  8. -

    With Gov. Charlie Crist facing a brutal Republican US Senate primary or a full-blown party mutiny if he runs as an independent, prominent supporters are urging him to consider a third option: quitting altogether.

  9. Confirming that there is little if any difference in the two different Federal Socialist political parties, the Dems or GOP ...

    Many Speculate Gov. Crist Will Change Party WESH Orlando

  10. There is no evidence that Maj Hasan suffered from anything other than stress over his deployment orders.

    The US military, which allen has claimed is the ultimate authority on divining motive in attacks upon Americans, has not confirmed allen's charges of Islamic motivation. Indeed, they seem to have denied it.

    Now politicos whose primary attribute, being Friends of Israel, are wasting Federal assets in an attempt to enhance the politicization Maj Hasan's religion and subsequent mental breakdown.

    Which was stressed induced, as have been the other incidents of "Going Postal".

    Unless there is more evidence available, evidence that the US military has not already seen.

    Or if the US military justice is confirmed to be influenced, by DC politcos.

    As was the case in the results of the investigation into the attack upon the USS Liberty.

    Either the military reports the truth, or they do not. One does not get to cherry pick reports for credibility and veracity from a flawed source, like the US military.

  11. allen, as is his wont, attempts to divine the motive of others.

    He is a "Hate Crime" specialist.
    A typical Liberal, trying to judge motive, rather that just guilt.

    Because "motive" makes the murder "worse".

    Typical of a lifelong Socialist and liberal thinker.

  12. desert rat said...
    There is no evidence that Maj Hasan suffered from anything other than stress over his deployment orders.

    That explains his "Solder of Allah" card he carried...

    Once again the rat speakith horse-shitith...

  13. Funny, that when an old white Christian attacks the Holocaust Museum, in DC, it was not portrayed as a religiously motivated killing, a Christian supported attack against Jews.

    But a lone crazy.

    When a lone crazy Islamoid shoots up a convenience store, it is instantly portrayed as part of the Islamic War on the West.

  14. He was a Soldier of Allah, as can be said each and every observant Muslim in the US military.

    The US military does not ask its' soldiers to leave their God at the recruiting station.

    In fact it encourages religious devotions amongst the troops. It has religion officers of all denominations amongst the men.

    Funny how the fella that spent no time in the US military now lectures us about it.

    While the fella that spent forty years in it, tries to deny he is a Federal Socialist, at his core.

  15. Our number one ally, in the War on Terror and the aQ, is Pakistan, whose entire Army is dedicated to Jihad.

    The US is allied with Islam, not the enemy of it.

  16. Wall Street Journal -

    A successful short-term bond auction by debt-ridden Greece has soothed some market concerns, sending the euro and Greek bond prices higher.

  17. Rush Limbaugh, meet Ward Churchill. Ward, Rush.

  18. Via Wolcott, the miracle that is springtime:

    "It really has been a gorgeous spring--I can't recall New Yorkers looking so cheerful, which can sometimes be vaguely disorienting, depending on your psychological compass."

  19. From Balloon Juice:

    Some economists at the University of Chicago have tried to answer the question of whether the Internet allows people to isolate themselves in an echo chamber. They’ve come up with an “isolation index”. The higher the index, the more isolation. Here are the media numbers:

    The isolation index we estimate for the Internet is higher than that of broadcast television (1.8), magazines (2.9), cable television (3.3), and local newspapers (4.1), and lower than that of national newspapers (10.4). We estimate that eliminating the Internet would reduce the ideological segregation of news and opinion consumption across all media from 4.9 to 3.8.

    But then there’s this:

    It is significantly lower than the segregation of actual networks formed through voluntary associations (14.5), work (16.8), neighborhoods (18.7), or family (24.3). The Internet is also far less segregated than networks of trusted friends (30.3).

    The conclusion is clear: if you want to be “open minded”, stay the hell away from friends and family.

    This happens not to be the case with my own friends and family, who run the gamut.

    But after years of beating people about the head and shoulders with Ayn Rand - and in other ways being an obnoxious doctrinaire - I discovered a fondness for gentle disagreement and, better yet, the natural desire of others to be patiently, indulgently listened to, with the hidden, happy agenda of discovering common ground as mere mortals.

    Hard to believe, perhaps, but true.

  20. christianity = Islam, according to rambo rat.

  21. That is correct, anon, as far as the Federals are concerned.

    All religions are equal in the eyes of the US Government.

    Rejoice that it is so!

    There is no established religion, in the United States.

    Praise be to the Founders of our Republic!

  22. If you disagree, please quote the Chapter and Verse of US Law that makes your point.

    I can point to the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, right off the bat, to begin to make my case.

    I can quote Thomas Jefferson and Mr Adams, cite various Treaties and precedents, to further my case.

    Islam is our ally, we have established two Islamic Republics in the last decade, proof positive that Islam is not considered an enemy, by the government of the United States of America.

  23. I know of no Christian Republics that the United States has established, anywhere.

  24. Eddie Izzard:

    And Engelbert Humperdinck! Yes, he was the man. That's not his real name; he's from Britain, but that's not his name. There's very few Humperdincks in Britain. He was born Gerry Dorsey, not Engelbert Humperdinck. His parents were not Mr. and Mrs. Humperdinck. They never said,

    "What shall we call our son so he does not get the shit kicked out of him at school?"

    “We shall call him Engelbert!"

    "Good, that'll work!"

    No, his name was Gerry Dorsey, and he released songs as Gerry Dorsey, songs such as ( mumbles )which didn't work ‘cause nobody could hear what he was saying. And then his managers, obviously, said, "We're going to change your name, Gerry! It's the name that's the problem." And his name changed from Gerry Dorsey to Engelbert Humperdinck. I mean, I just wanted to be in the room when they were working that one through.

    "Zingelbert Bembledack! Yingybert Dambleban! Zangelbert Bingledack! Wingelbert Humptyback! Slut Bunwalla!"


    "All right, Kringelbert Fishtybuns! Steviebuns Bottrittrundle..."

    "No, Gerry Dorsey, I like Gerry Dorsey!"

    "No, we can't do it... Who we got? Zingelbert Bembledack, Tringelbert Wangledack, Slut Bunwalla, Klingybun Fistelvase, Dindlebert Zindledack, Gerry Dorsey, Engelbert Humptyback, Zengelbert Bingledack, Engelbert Humperdinck, Vingelbert Wingledanck…"

    "No, no, go back one. Go back one. "Engelbert Humperdinck." That's it."

  25. rat said,

    The US military, which allen has claimed is the ultimate authority on divining motive in attacks upon Americans

    You must have me confused with one of the voices, again. Allen has made no such claim. Adjust your medication accordingly.

    The problem is that you cannot defend your position without appearing to simultaneously support an Islamic warrior. I use "warrior" in the same sense as Major Hasan when he vociferously gunned down his unarmed victims as part of the global jihad.

    As to "evidence", at the moment there is none of a jurisprudential nature. There are, however, reams of reports and statements made by Major Hasan's peers and colleagues to media and members of Congress. Some number of these will rise to the level of evidence once Major Hasan comes to trial.

    Despite your personal needs, Major Hasan was not having a bad hair day when he went on his killing rampage. He was following through on previously articulated sentiments about which he had been clear for some time. In short, Major Hasan committed premeditated murder in the interest of Islam's ongoing jihad against "earthquake" whores and the West generally.

    Islam is the problem.

  26. Islam, as the guiding force of political and social progress, has the stamp of approval from the United States of America.

    That is the reality of GW Bush's "Long War".

    Get used to it.

  27. allen speaks of a few demented individuals, and extrapolates these poor souls dementia onto 1.2 billion other Islamic individuals.

    While I speak of the policies of the United States towards both individuals and foreign States with regards their position under US Law and Custom.

    Islam cannot be the problem, not when we are establishing Islamic Republics as our proxies.

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  29. The policies with regard the establishment of Islamic Republics, by the United States, are bi-partisan.

  30. Islam is a problem, for allen.

    But for the United States of America, Islam is an ally.

    Which makes it obvious where allen's own dementia lays.

  31. The more I hear Rat, the more I hear an islamic apologist...

    Rat's ever growing circle of Israel is a war criminal and Islam is not to blame shows the clear direction of his bias...

    Since no one here knows what the rat really is, since he doesnt stand for anything (except blaming Israel and Jews for all that is wrong in the world) one gets the feeling after seeing thousands of his posts, he really embraces the politicalization of Islam in the world...

    Now WHO supports that?

  32. Joseph Stalin's CCCP was an Allied force during WWII. Immediately following the war, the CCCP established "republics" in Eastern Europe and across the globe, leading to the Cold War.

    When in war, you make friends as you must and afterward dump them as you will. Such was the case with the CCCP and such will be the case with others we have recently "befriended".

    Oh, and a feeling is not a thought and an opinion is not a fact.

    It is such a relief to know you are giving me no thought. :)

    As an aside, today there will be reports from across the globe of innocents being killed and maimed by gentlemen jihadists. These jihadists have been given the green light by highly respected Muslim religious authorities, some of whom have or will visit the White House.

    On the other hand, it will be a rare day indeed when a "Christian" commits an atrocity with the blessing or approval of a highly regarded Christian religious authority. In fact, I cannot recall a Pope, for example, condoning violent religious expression in several centuries, at least.

    If you will take a minute or two to ponder this dichotomy, you will instantly see the difference and why Islam is the problem.

  33. Islam is the problem because elements of Islam makes itself the problem.

    Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Egypt, Syria and Afghanistan all recognized that problem, at one time or another, and established secular but Islamic states. They clamped down on the crazies and made secularsim the law.

    This move to secularism has waxed and waned over time and is changing in one direction in Iraq and Iran and another in Turkey. Pakistan is trying to restrain militant Islam.

    Chritianity resolved that issue and is no longer a threat to secular states or for that matter is threatened by secular states. Most churches are mostly empty most of the time.

  34. This may be submitted as exhibit A

    Promiscuous women are responsible for earthquakes, a senior Iranian cleric has said.
    Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi told worshippers in Tehran last Friday that they had to stick to strict codes of modesty to protect themselves.
    "Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread adultery in society which increases earthquakes," he said.

  35. "This happens not to be the case with my own friends and family, who run the gamut."

    Right Trish, we're "all" above average.


  36. by your standards deuce this must be Exhibit B?

    'Sinful' city buses stoned by ultra-Orthodox Jews


    The latest battle is over demands that buses segregate men and women in accordance with strict Jewish law on a line connecting the ultra-Orthodox stronghold of Mea Shearim in Jerusalem with the Western Wall. In the view of some ultra-Orthodox Jews, segregated seating, with women entering separately through the rear door and sitting at the back, is vital to uphold their stringent traditions stipulating modesty and prohibiting physical contact with members of the opposite sex.


    Exhibit C

    On Wednesday morning, Podeh - bare-legged and wearing a short-sleeved dress cut above the knee - parked a block from the Education Ministry on the edge of the Mea Shearim neighborhood.

    When she returned at noon, her car's tires had been slashed and its roof and doors coated with a sticky film of smashed eggs.

    A flier taped to a nearby stone wall read "Parking in immodest dress is forbidden."

    Police have recorded half a dozen such attacks in recent weeks, including several in which ultra-Orthodox Jews threw stones and spit at women. Earlier this week, an ultra-Orthodox man was arrested for throwing a rock at a police decoy wearing a short summer dress. "

  37. and then we have Pat Robertson (among others) for use condemning all of Christianity.

  38. Ash quoted:

    "Earlier this week, an ultra-Orthodox man was arrested for throwing a rock at a police decoy wearing a short summer dress. "

    Now, Ash, behold the magic of rationality: The man was [ARRESTED]. Had this occurred in say, Gaza, the man would have been decorated as a knight and hero of the faith.

    Crazies will always be with us, as you exemplify. However, no religious or secular court in Israel is going to tolerate the abuse of others as the matter of policy.

    Oh, and Ash, we do not hang, torture or shoot women (or men for that matter) for the expression of religious or secular points of view, say, fashion, for example. Your little Muslim friends in the "Levant" will be doing that today as every day.

    It is for those, such as you, that our law incorporates the prohibition of punishment exceeding the nature of the crime. That is, Ash, "an eye for an eye". No Israeli woman or girl is ever going to be hanged for sunning her bare breasts at the beach, although she may have to pay a small fine for the privilege (A burden that thousands of men like me will gladly assume for the sake of...).

    Again, Islam is the problem.

  39. Ash, I think we can stipulate that there are crazy (Jews)

    NOTE: Please use this form and fill in between parenthesis any offending party or group

  40. "Oh, and Ash..."

    Allen is very fond of the "Oh, and." Sometimes it's "O, and" - when he's in a hurry, I think - but usually "Oh."

    "Oh, and by the way..."

    "O, and for your information..."

    "Oh, another thing..."

    Oh, oh, allen, it is so charming.

  41. What makes the "Christianity" of those at Waco newsworthy, apart from the government's wholesale killing, was its exceptionalism. No Christian religious authority, such a the Rev. Billy Graham, supported the behaviors of this exceptional sect. Indeed, many religious spokesmen, at the time prior to the slaughter of the innocents, condemned the government's inaction in the face of blatant provocation.

    There is nothing exceptional about Major Hasan's violence, as a Muslim, other than his rank and profession within the USA. All day, every day, the Major Hasan's of the faith are busy, busy, busy. For their assiduous, brutal service, they are honored by the religious heirarchy of Islam.

  42. As of last year, the top four sources of imported oil into the US were Canada, Mexico, Venezuela & Saudi Arabia (CMVSA). Their combined net oil exports were 14.1 mbpd in 2005 and 12.4 mbpd in 2008 (EIA), down 1.7 mbpd (12%) in only three years. Three of the four showed net export declines in 2008, relative to 2005 (all but Canada), and three of the four showed year over year net export declines in 2008 (all but Saudi Arabia).

    In 2005, US net oil imports were 12.5 mbpd, and Chinese net oil imports were 2.9 mbpd.

    In 2008, US net oil imports were 11.0 mbpd, and Chinese net oil imports were 3.9 mbpd.

    US annual oil prices went from $57 in 2005 to $100 in 2008.

    China's net imports, expressed as a percentage of CMVSA's net oil exports, were at 21% in 2005, and at 31% in 2008.

    From 2005 to 2008, Chinese net imports grew at 10%/year (which is less than the US rate of increase in net oil imports from 1949 to 1977). At a 10%/year rate of increase, Chinese net imports in 2018 would be 10.6 mbpd.

    If we assume that CMVSA's combined net oil export decline will be about 500,000 bpd per year (less than the observed 2005-2008 annual volumetric decline of 567,000 bpd per year), their combined net exports would be down to 7.4 mbpd in 2018.

    The above is a comment by Jeffrey Brown (Westexas) at the oil drum dot com. Bold, and italics, mine.

  43. More Money Spent on Ineffective Prevention Measures for Malaria

    I've ranted on this subject before so I won't bore you again. However, the PC nazis and environmentalists still insist on asking for more money for ineffective measures while resisting real solutions like DDT and other pesticides (now approved for use by WHO, Sierra Club, and other previous opponents) that would eliminate malaria at minimal cost.

    Yet millions of people continue to die each year, most of them children.


  44. And what's the significance Rufus?

    That world oil exports dropped during a recession that has affected half the world?


  45. Read it again, Q. I think you missed the narrative.

  46. Hint: 2005 - 2008 was Not a recessionary period.

  47. I speak of US policies, the Friends of Israel speak of me.

    That seals the deal, each time.

    It is, never has been, about me, fellas.

    It is about US.

    You seem to despise US.

    Yet you remain, here.
    Which seals the deal, too.

  48. The Party's Over: China's Endgame

    The future may belong to China; then, again, maybe not.

  49. The guy is comparing 2005 to 2008.

    According to the NBER, the recession started in December 2007.


  50. "Pakistan, whose entire Army is dedicated to Jihad."

    as rambo rat, being the direct mouthpiece of the US Government, states as a fact, one wonders where is the proof of this. severe misdirection or fact brought to you by the US Government aka: rambo rat.

  51. Yeah, Q, but Global GDP (as well as U.S.,) and Global Oil Prices (as well as U.S. Oil Prices) for 2008 were Well Above 2005.

  52. Once again, with gusto!

    rat said,
    The US military, which allen has claimed is the ultimate authority on divining motive in attacks upon Americans

    Then came:
    desert rat said...
    allen, as is his wont, attempts to divine the motive of others…Typical of a lifelong Socialist and liberal thinker.

    With this added:
    desert rat said...
    Islam is a problem, for allen.

    But for the United States of America, Islam is an ally.

    Which makes it obvious where allen's own dementia lays.

    plaintively followed later by,
    desert rat said...
    I speak of US policies, the Friends of Israel speak of me.

    Gee, I am sorry, DR, I really did think you were talking about me.

  53. I suspect the same can be said for most three year periods in recent history.


  54. U.N.'s Ballooning $732 Million Haiti Peacekeeping Budget Goes Mostly to Its Own Personnel

    Are we to understand that a quasi-governmental bureaucracy will consume most of its resources on self-perpetuation - sort of like VA dedicating 60% of its budget to overhead? (Admittedly, my VA figure is dated; current expenditures could be higher.)

  55. Anonymous,

    Don't be too hard on DR. Sometimes he seems to forget his history of histrionics, wherein he attributes to others imagined policy and personal positions. Were he not DR, one could say he "lies", but that would be carrying things too far, because he is DR. Precisely, DR doesn't prevaricate; he hyperbolically hypothesizes.

  56. "Pakistan, whose entire Army is dedicated to Jihad."

    rat, you realize, by suggesting we make allies of jihadi entities (those that have extreme ill wishes for us and our kind), suggests that you are the one that dispises the US. got PTSD?

  57. Common sense tells us that every nation has the right to secure its borders. Mexico, for example, does so quite aggressively. Mass migrations are nothing new. In previous eras, they were generally conducted all at once, with brightly-colored banners fluttering proudly overhead. The receiving country would send a few thousand lads to meet the new occupants at the border, carrying banners of their own, and a lively exchange of cutlery would ensue. Territorial integrity is a serious concern for any nation. Even the most restrained and minimal government requires its citizens to accept the social contract, and recognize its authority. It’s no coincidence that waves of illegal immigration raise a dusty cloud of general lawlessness in their wake.

    This article is so well written that I couldn't figure out which paragraph to paste. The guy is an excellent writer, I think.

    Bordering on Fraud

  58. Anonymous said...

    you [DR] are the one that dispises the US. got PTSD?

    Take care! When you start getting too close to the VA home, the patriots come out of the woodwork.

  59. no offense at all to VA brothers!! it is not to uncommon to suffer from this (first hand knowledge). when the sh*t hits the fan all this griping is meaningless.

  60. Report: TV's South Park targeted over depiction of Prophet Mohammed

    Why Islam is the problem.

    O, Oh, Where are all those voices of moderate Islam?

    Ash? Ash?...

  61. You boys are right on time with the drivel.

    It's all about me, life is grand here at the EB

    See ya later, alligators.

  62. It was a pretty good article Ruf.

    Kind of brought to mind the issue of Az. It would be great to see McCain taken down; however, not at the expense of having J.D. Hayworth elected.

    Is there anyone else in the state that has a chance of making a run for the senate seat?


  63. "It's all about me, life is grand here at the EB"

    a star is born! (maybe like Vincent Price).

  64. Anonymous,

    Re: VA & PTSD

    Then you know that VA spent the better part of two decades denying the very existence of PTSD. Losing to science, VA then spent nearly another decade minimizing compensability.

    During this time, thousands of affected veterans were reduced to penury, as well as alcohol and drug dependence. Homelessness and addiction were then and remain unresolved blights.

    While denying that PTSD was a service-connected malady, VA was more than happy to dispense copious quantities of drugs to its non-service-connected clients. The results of this largely unsupervised charity will plague us for years to come.

  65. I know this is a tough concept for you allen but we seem to be having trouble getting it through your thick skull that individual acts don't necessarily apply to the whole group or we can similarly malign all jews for the acts of some of the orthodox, or generalize that all Catholics like to bugger little boys because some in the priesthood do.

  66. Ash,

    You silly little man: you do malign Jews at every opportunity. It must be very frustrating, though, never to be able to report acts of rape, murder, and torture supported by Rabbinic authority.

  67. Ash, ISLAM is supportive of acts against Jews.

    The organized group of leaders that run the world wide web of Islamic though, banks, control and governments MEET and agree to harm Jews...

    Just look at the last few Organisation of the Islamic Conferences....

    The OIC attracted attention at the opening session of the meeting in Putrajaya, Malaysia, on 16 October 2003, where Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia in his speech argued that the Jews control the world: "They invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy, so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that they can enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power”. He also said that “The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million, but today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them”.[18][19]
    The speech was very well received by the delegates, including many high ranking politicians, who responded with standing ovations".[20][21][22] International, non-Muslim reactions, however, were appalled. "We view them with contempt and derision," said the US State Department, and the foreign minister of Italy, the current chair of the European Union, called the incident "gravely offensive". However, Malaysian officials later argued that what Dr Mahathir had been trying to say, was that despite having been a marginal and persecuted community the Jews have survived - by use of brains not brawn. The former prime minister said this in relation to the decline of Muslim knowledge in the 20th Century.[21]

    The record is clear ash....

    Islam is an ORGANIZED powerful group that as a GROUP embraces Jew hatred and violence...

    Dont agree?

    Your opinion on this subject is meaningless...

  68. Which do you think is more effective, allen, in the art of persuasion? Unctuous condescension, sneering contempt, or savage abruptness? (We'll leave out masturbatory malice because it's not really an approach per se, is it? Rather a form of self-amusement, as Rat will attest.)

    I'm conducting a survey.

  69. By the by, I expect everyone to put on their party hats and ready their cake forks tomorrow because it's ODNI's fifth anniversary.

    Yes, it has survived this long.

  70. I love it when you talk dirty Trish.


  71. It's also Bring Your Child To Work Day at ODNI.

    Look at it this way, kids: It gets you out of class.

  72. WiO,

    Islam has many voices and they often contradict each other.

  73. Here's some heartwarming news:

    Trish's son was the victim of a crime over the weekend. The young man is fine, but the theft was/is a serious matter for any number of reasons.

    Well, there is a relatively unassuming Miracle Worker at the US Embassy who promptly and graciously took care of him in our stead.

    The Lord reserves a place for those who quietly make things happen. (Especially those who also retain a weekend fondness for Southern Comfort.)

  74. For you DR:

    I remember when,
    I remember,
    I remember when I lost my mind
    There was something so pleasant about that place.
    Even your emotions had an echo
    In so much space

    And when you're out there
    Without care,
    Yeah, I was out of touch
    But it wasn't because I didn't know enough
    I just knew too much

    Does that make me crazy?
    Does that make me crazy?
    Does that make me crazy?

    And I hope that you are having the time of your life
    But think twice, that's my only advice

    Come on now,
    who do you, who do you,
    who do you, who do you think you are,
    Ha ha ha bless your soul
    You really think you're in control

    Well, I think you're crazy
    I think you're crazy
    I think you're crazy
    Just like me

    My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
    And all I remember is thinking, I want to be like them
    Ever since I was little,
    ever since I was little
    it looked like fun
    And it's no coincidence I've come
    And I can die when I'm done

    Maybe I'm crazy
    Maybe you're crazy
    Maybe we're crazy

    Uh, uh

  75. Ash said...

    Islam has many voices and they often contradict each other.

    My people have been at the butt end of Islam since our bastard step brothers "invented it" and trust me, it sucks...

    No matter what excuses you make for it...

    Islam has never been nice, it always has been a pain in the ass

  76. "This case shows that it's still about making money illegally, by whatever means," FBI Special Agent-in-Charge George Venizelos said. "No crime seemed too depraved to be exploited if it was a money-maker, including the sexual exploitation of a 15-year-old."

    According to the U.S. attorney's office, the fourteen defendants are Marino, Modica, Thomas Orefice, Dominick DiFiore, Anthony Manzella, Michael Scotto, Michael Scarpaci, Thomas Scarpaci, David Eisler, Salvatore Borgia, Steve Maiurro, Keith Dellitalia, Suzanne Porcelli and Anthony Vecchione.

    Maiurro remains at large. The 13 arrested defendants are expected to appear in court Wednesday.

    Family Charged

  77. trish said...
    Here's some heartwarming news:

    Trish's son was the victim of a crime over the weekend. The young man is fine, but the theft was/is a serious matter for any number of reasons.

    Well, there is a relatively unassuming Miracle Worker at the US Embassy who promptly and graciously took care of him in our stead.

    The Lord reserves a place for those who quietly make things happen. (Especially those who also retain a weekend fondness for Southern Comfort.)

    Tue Apr 20, 08:16:00 PM EDT

    Many North Americans get a false sense of security in Latin America. The sad fact is that the jackals seek them out.

    I hope the young man is OK and learned a lesson if one applies.