“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Sunday, July 05, 2009

Mossad says Saudi Arabia will ignore Israeli overflights to Iranian nuclear facilities

Sirens sound across Israel in 'doomsday' drill June 03, 2009

On ABC Biden said, "If the Netanyahu government decides to take a course of action different than the one being pursued now, that is their sovereign right to do that. That is not our choice."

Asked by Stephanopoulos whether the US would stand in the way of an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities by denying "over-flight rights in Iraq," Biden said " I'm not going to speculate, George, on those issues, other than to say Israel has a right to determine what's in its interests, and we have a right and we will determine what's in our interests."

CIA Director Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen had reportedly visited Israel in recent months and expressed their strong opposition to a military strike on Iran.

What is going on?


July 5, 2009
Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran
Uzi Mahnaimi in Tel Aviv and Sarah Baxter Times on Line

The head of Mossad, Israel’s overseas intelligence service, has assured Benjamin Netanyahu, its prime minister, that Saudi Arabia would turn a blind eye to Israeli jets flying over the kingdom during any future raid on Iran’s nuclear sites.

Earlier this year Meir Dagan, Mossad’s director since 2002, held secret talks with Saudi officials to discuss the possibility.

The Israeli press has already carried unconfirmed reports that high-ranking officials, including Ehud Olmert, the former prime minister, held meetings with Saudi colleagues. The reports were denied by Saudi officials.

“The Saudis have tacitly agreed to the Israeli air force flying through their airspace on a mission which is supposed to be in the common interests of both Israel and Saudi Arabia,” a diplomatic source said last week.

Although the countries have no formal diplomatic relations, an Israeli defence source confirmed that Mossad maintained “working relations” with the Saudis.

John Bolton, the former US ambassador to the United Nations who recently visited the Gulf, said it was “entirely logical” for the Israelis to use Saudi airspace.

Bolton, who has talked to several Arab leaders, added: “None of them would say anything about it publicly but they would certainly acquiesce in an overflight if the Israelis didn’t trumpet it as a big success.”

Arab states would condemn a raid when they spoke at the UN but would be privately relieved to see the threat of an Iranian bomb removed, he said.

Referring to the Israeli attack on an alleged Syrian nuclear facility in 2007, Bolton added: “To this day, the Israelis haven’t admitted the specifics but there’s one less nuclear facility in Syria . . .”

Recent developments have underscored concerns among moderate Sunni Arab states about the stability of the repressive Shi’ite regime in Tehran and have increased fears that it may emerge as a belligerent nuclear power.

“The Saudis are very concerned about an Iranian nuclear bomb, even more than the Israelis,” said a former head of research in Israeli intelligence.

The Israeli air force has been training for a possible attack on Iran’s nuclear site at Natanz in the centre of the country and other locations for four years.


  1. i guess Biden doesn't think there will be f-22s intercepting any israeli fighters

  2. Hunter Smith...

    Sunday, July 5, 2009
    Update # 3
    Just rec'd text from Hunter - "Shots fired. Saw 2 different blood puddles. Heard 2 maybe 3 dead."

    Please note this is not confirmed. Again, this is not confirmed. Please take with a grain of salt until I can confirm with Hunter via voice or email
    Posted by Hunter Smith at 5:25 PM

  3. TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras

    [Note: Bulletin released at approx 6:50pm, 05Jul09, Bar Time.]

    Ousted President Manuel Zelaya appealed to the Honduran military to return its loyalty to him as he prepared to land in the capital Sunday, facing warrants for his arrest by security forces defending the airport against a crowd of thousands.

    Speaking live from the Venezuelan plane carrying him back to Tegucigalpa, Zelaya said he was just minutes away from landing in his high-stakes attempt to return to power.

    He asked that soldiers return their allegiance to him, "in the name of God, in the name of the people, and in the name of justice."

    But the politicians who ousted him aren't backing down, and violence broke out among the huge crowd surrounding the airport, with at least one person killed so far. The man was shot in the head by gunfire from inside the airport as people tried to break through a security fence, according to an Associated Press photographer at the scene

  4. "I am the commander of the armed forces, elected by the people, and I ask the armed forces to comply with the order to open the airport so that there is no problem in landing and embracing with my people," Zelaya told Venezuela's Telesur network while en route. "Today I feel like I have sufficient spiritual strength, blessed with the blood of Christ, to be able to arrive there and raise the crucifix."--

    He's flying in on the wings of the dove, so to speak.


    Frankenstein is now Senator.

  5. i guess Biden doesn't think there will be f-22s intercepting any israeli fighters...

    On alert for deployment to Managua?

  6. "moderate Sunni Arab states"

    I love them "Moderate Sunnis"

    even more than I love

    "Moderate" RHINOS.

  7. Deuce receives Internets Highest Award:

    40. buddy larsen:

    "2164th is savagely honest, and Hunter Smith is a very brave & enterprising young feller.

    Shoulda given Linear Credit also for Great Linking w/Commentary!

  8. 35. Rurik said...

    "I remember that in 2002, Vlad was quite happy to help facilitate America’s incursion into Afghanistan, permitting Bush to set up bases around Central Asia. At the time I suggested Russia could not lose -

    1. They’d seem good friends and get credit if we triumphed;

    2. American power would fall on their old Afghan Enemy, and would be payback for Soviet humiliation if the US won;

    3. If the US lost, it would help redress the shame of their humiliation;

    4. It would keep US power occupied, where it would not be a driect challenge to Russia.

    In short, Putin was glad to help America punch the tarbaby.
    Now he wants us to punch the tarbaby again.
    And it will also help ease us out of Iraq before we consolidate our influence there.


    13. Rurik said, (in the next thread)

    The Apprentice Sorcerer has wandered off to summon demons.
    He will find what he thinks he wants.

    Perhaps, the same sods from DOS who
    crafted” the “reset button "

    forgot to inform Obama Durachok about Russian ethnic attitudes.

    Russians have not undergone fifty years of ethnic brainwashing and guilt-mongering.

    He is, in their words, a chyornozhopa, and that is not a compliment.
    (Literally a blackass)

    They might be polite to him in public, so long as it is convenient.

  9. The magic batteries that never come on line, tied at the hip to the continued need of oil from the Sauds.

    Of course the Israeli and the Sauds are united. Which is easy to see, but for the eternal hate mongering of some of our friends of Israel. But mat was toting the Saud's water, here, for quite a spell. Promoting magic batteries instead of any of the multiple liquid fuel options.

    Some of our patrons have demanded that someone nuke Mecca, destroy the rock. Or is that in Medina?
    Does not much matter, not when Islam and Islamists pf Mecca are the real friends of Israel, allies even.

    If the Israeli do not cross US controlled space, then we may just wave as they go by. In the name of religious equivalence and brotherhood.

    Assured by the Sauds that they'll ramp up production to meet whatever shortfalls of crude deliveries that follow the first shot of armegedden.

    Seems, initially, short sighted, to me. But then Barack Hussein Obama is no GW Bush, he may really be softer and gentler.

    But, regardless of Obama's toughness, an Israeli/Saudi alliance, that would be a great leap forward, credited to Mr Obama's soft power approach and the moral equivalency of the actors involved.

    rufus doubts the Sauds can pick up the slack, but that would depend on how much slack there was, to be picked up, and for how long.

    The show continues.

  10. The show continues.

    As do the prophesies of the self-appointed prophet.

    Damn, that was a good comment.


    Keep 'em coming, rat.

  11. Then when gasoline goes north of $5 per gallon, the Sauds will deny any involvement in the conspiracy as they are not be able to meet whirled demand.

    Summoning wi"o"'s scenario of a Crystal Night, here in the US. As Israel bears the brunt of the blame for the whirled depression.

    The belief that the Jews of America will pay for Israel's follies, seems deep set in his psyche. The mix and mingle marketing, equating the Jews of the whirled to the government of Israel has worked its' magic on wi"o".

    I tend to doubt the Crystal Night scenario would occur, here in the US. After the 9-11-01 raids there was only one of "them" shot in the US, here in AZ. The victim was a Sikh not even a Muslim.

    Doubt that the Jews of the US would fare worse than the Muslims have. Doubt it, a lot.

  12. Damn, that was a good comment.

    Double entrendre unintended.

  13. I will, amigo, since you seem to be waiting on the edge of your seat.

    I'll try to meet the demand.

    Since no plane has left the tarmac, no targets have been hit and nothing much has really changed.

    Except that Biden is now considered a sage, by some. As we hang on his every word and utterence.

    While looking at the leaves that made that wonderful chai he drank in Iraq.

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  15. Hunter Thompson, Late Sunday afternoon.

    ...I tried making my way back to the hotel to upload pictures, when my father texted me saying that it looked like Zelaya was about to return. I ran back to where the shootings occured. The police blocked the runway and the plane was unable to land. The organizers urged the crowds to leave the site because they did not want any more bloodshed for the day,...

    More at his blog.

  16. Did Mr Biden say something, or was that Bill Moyers breaking wind?

    He told the Iraqi that if the violence increased, we'd leave, quicker.

    If you are right, lineman, and politicos represent themselves and not the US, then Biden will be working for the tri-section of Iraq. Behind the scenes.
    That was always his stated preference.
    What's changed?

  17. ...then Biden will be working for the tri-section of Iraq...

    There could be worse outcomes. If it happens and he helps, credit where credit is due.

    Mat wanted a mono-section, Kurds in command, with sanction to kill all others. In those moments he sounded like the kid in Mommy's basement who didn't hear her calling him to supper.

  18. I thought that's where he had gone:
    To Supper.
    Has been a while, tho.

  19. I also thot Hunter S Thompson was dead,
    So that must be Hunter no s Thompson?

    What's the name of the blog?

  20. Maybe those Magic Batteries are very slow to charge?

  21. Time to Get Mad as Hell

    It’s amazing, if you stop and think about it, that George H.W. Bush lost his bid for re-election because he was goofy enough to say, “Read my lips…no new taxes,” but Obama does his level best to bankrupt America and destroy the middle class, and yet continues to ride nearly as high in the popularity polls as Michael Jackson. Imagine if the man could moonwalk.

    But, I guess a lot of us who find ourselves going down the financial drain don’t really mind so long as we can watch Prince Obama and his princess holding hands on their $250,000 date night in New York City.

    It’s almost enough to make a person pity Bernard Madoff. That poor shmuck got a 150-year prison sentence, and he only screwed Americans out of about 65 billion dollars.