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Sunday, June 15, 2014

Iranian Press.tv reports





"Today, Tehran, like Washington, seems preoccupied with the rise or return of Sunni militants, from Syria to Afghanistan. “Everybody is threatened by this extremism,” Zarif told me in March. “It has changed the strategic calculations and considerations for everybody who is interested in peace and stability in this region…. I think we all must take cognizance of the fact that this is a threat and work on it together—not against one another.”
JUNE 13, 2014
IRAN AND THE U.S.: THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY
POSTED BY ROBIN WRIGHT
NEW YORKER

On Monday, Iran and the United States, along with envoys from Britain, China, France, Germany, and Russia, will meet again in Vienna to work on specific terms for a nuclear agreement. The talks resume just as Washington and Tehran suddenly find that they have common cause in preventing Iraq’s abrupt disintegration. For both, their longtime strategies toward Iraq appear to be failing, as a few thousand thugs in the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) burn their way across the country.
Washington and Tehran have started using the same language. President Obama, in his remarks on the South Lawn of the White House on Friday, said, “Nobody has an interest in seeing terrorists gain a foothold inside of Iraq, and nobody is going to benefit from seeing Iraq descend into chaos.” An hour later, Iran’s Foreign Minister, Javad Zarif, told me, by telephone, from Tehran, “It is in the interest of everybody to stabilize the government of Iraq. If the U.S. has come to realize that these groups pose a threat to the security of the region, and if the U.S. truly wants to fight terrorism and extremism, then it’s a common global cause.”
Obama said that Washington is “going to pursue diplomacy” across the region. Zarif told me that he’d been working the phones with Iraq’s neighbors for the past two days. Obama warned of the dangers of the Sunni extremists trying to “overrun sacred Shia sites.” Iran is the world’s largest Shiite country, and its interests in Iraq are focussed on protecting the Shiite plurality that was long dominated by a Sunni minority.
Twitter pundits are already speculating about the potential for de facto coöperation between the countries. Among the scenarios: U.S. drones striking ISIS targets and, in effect, providing air cover for Iranian Revolutionary Guards dispatched to help hold back the ISIS jihadis, who have been pushing toward Baghdad. In our conversation, Zarif denied reports that Tehran has already dispatched battalions of Revolutionary Guards to aid and protect Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s government, but its élite Quds Force has long had a presence—in various forms—inside Iraq.
Iran was America’s nemesis throughout the eight-year American war in Iraq. American officials regularly berated the Iranians for providing arms (including I.E.D.s) and strategic guidance to Iraqi militias. “They are responsible for providing the weapons, the training, the funding and, in some cases, the direction for operations that have indeed killed U.S. soldiers,” General David Petraeus told reporters in 2007.
Some forty-four hundred Americans died in Iraq. In 2010, James Jeffrey, the U.S. Ambassador there, estimated that Iran was linked, through its surrogates, to the deaths of more than a thousand American troops. “My own estimate, based just upon a gut feeling, is that up to a quarter of the American casualties and some of the more horrific incidents in which Americans were kidnapped … can be traced without doubt to these Iranian groups,” he said.
Even after Washington announced its intent to leave Iraq, Defense Secretary Robert Gates charged that Iran’s support for Shiite militias was intent on “killing as many as possible in order to demonstrate to the Iraqi people that, in effect, they drove us out of Iraq at the end of the year.”
When the United States ended its combat mission, in 2011, it did not leave even a residual force behind, because Iraq—under Iran’s strong influence—refused to sign a Status of Forces Agreement granting immunity to U.S. troops for acts deemed criminal under Iraqi law. (In the nineteen-sixties, an identical controversy over giving U.S. troops immunity in Iran led to protests by Ayatollah Khomeini and, eventually, his expulsion by the Shah. From exile, in Iraq, Khomeini waged the campaign that ultimately led to the Shah’s overthrow.)

Today, Tehran, like Washington, seems preoccupied with the rise or return of Sunni militants, from Syria to Afghanistan. “Everybody is threatened by this extremism,” Zarif told me in March. “It has changed the strategic calculations and considerations for everybody who is interested in peace and stability in this region…. I think we all must take cognizance of the fact that this is a threat and work on it together—not against one another.”

209 comments:

  1. 82 Democratic Neo-Cons in the House and 29 Democratic Neo-Cons in the Senate voted for this -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002

    Deuce makes a new attempt to con us, folks.

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    1. Since nearly all Republicans voted for it, I guess the Grand Old Party should be named the Neo-Con Party.

      Deuce is hung up on the Neo-Con stuff.

      Since Republicans represent people, as do the democrats mentioned above, that makes well over 60% of the People of the United States Neo-Cons, if we follow Deuce's current logic.

      By failing to keep some troops in the place, President Obama is in danger of having all this sacrifice thrown away, with the risk of a Middle East apocalypse now a firmly in place.





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    2. I think of it as Deuce's Neo-Con con.

      Dance to it, the neo con con, folks !

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  2. The operative part of Neo-Con is CON. I recommend a 2004 book called "Take Back the Right" by a USMC asshole veteran and Joo named Philip Gold, who suggests that America is in the process of creating an acentric civilization in which no race, no gender, no social class, no creed, no faith, and no way of life dominates and which will do a better job of confronting the perils we face, as soon as we get over our dismay that the world no longer loves, honors, and obeys us like we always thought they should.

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  3. Neocon lunatics are back: Right-wing Wall Street Journal calls for reinvading Iraq

    After being disastrously wrong about it the first time, conservative "thought leaders" have their own war plan

    SIMON MALOY - SALON

    The eight-years-long bloody disaster that was the Iraq War did nothing – absolutely nothing – to persuade its architects, promoters and defenders that military intervention in the region is perhaps not the best idea. With Iraq now falling to pieces as it struggles to contain the advance of the Islamic extremist group ISIS, the same public officials who made the spurious case for war in 2003 and the media outlets that aggressively backed it are once again agitating for armed conflict.

    The Wall Street Journal editorial board was one of the Iraq War’s most fervent supporters. (“It will be the nasty weapons and the cheering Iraqis the coalition finds when it liberates the country,” they predicted in February 2003, wrongly.) Now they want the U.S. to go back to war, and they’ve even done the courtesy of drawing up their own battle plans.

    Mr. Obama now faces the choice of intervening anew with U.S. military force or doing nothing. The second option means risking the fall of Baghdad or a full-scale Iranian intervention to save Mr. Maliki’s government, either of which would be terrible strategic defeats.

    The alternative is to stage an intervention similar to what the French did in Mali in early 2013, using a combination of air power and paratroops to defeat or at least contain ISIS. But that would be an admission that Mr. Obama’s policy in Iraq has failed, that his claims of retreat without risk from the Middle East were false and naive, and that his premature withdrawal now demands an emergency intervention.

    It’s that simple! Just send in some paratroopers, drop a few bombs and win. What comes after that? Who cares! Let’s have us a war. YEEE HAW!

    The nonchalance with which a collection of newspaper editorialists can commit U.S. lives to intervening in a sectarian civil war is breathtaking. It took 100,000+ U.S. troops several years to make any progress in tamping down Iraq’s last civil war, with tens of thousands killed or wounded. It’s not clear what leads the Wall Street Journal to believe that paratroopers and bombers will be able to have more success this time around. But then, they have the luxury of not having to think any of this through or live with any of the consequences. It’s one of the benefits of being an armchair general.

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  4. Neocons Double-Down on Iraq/Syria
    June 13, 2014

    America’s neocons won’t let go of their Middle East delusions, now trying to leverage the worsening crisis in Iraq into an excuse to return U.S. forces to that tragic country while also escalating military involvement in Syria, a compounding of misjudgments, say Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett.


    By Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

    The debate over America’s Middle East policy has reached a new level of surreality. In the wake of President Barack Obama’s West Point commencement address last month — in which he pledged to “ramp up” U.S. support for Syrian rebels seeking to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad — Washington elites are exhorting the Obama administration to do much more.

    Former U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford urges intensified training and more advanced weapons for “moderate” opposition fighters; others argue for direct U.S. military involvement. At the same time, Washington has been stunned by the success of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), which has seized Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, and several other strategic targets, and is drawing close to Baghdad.

    Washington elites are effectively compartmentalizing these stories — but, in fact, they are intimately related, and policymakers need to understand the connection to avoid another disaster in the heart of the Middle East.

    In Iraq, the resurgence of sectarian violence stems not from the 2011 American withdrawal. It is, rather, the fruit of America’s 2003 invasion of Iraq, the subsequent U.S. occupation, and the much vaunted “surge” of 2007-2008.


    Flynt Leverett served as a Middle East expert on George W. Bush’s National Security Council staff until the Iraq War and worked previously at the State Department and at the Central Intelligence Agency. Hillary Mann Leverett was the NSC expert on Iran and – from 2001 to 2003 – was one of only a few U.S. diplomats authorized to negotiate with the Iranians over Afghanistan, al-Qaeda and Iraq. They are authors of Going to Tehran. [This article previously appeared at The World Post and at http://goingtotehran.com/spreading-bad-american-policy-from-iraq-to-syriaand-back-again .

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  5. from the same article...

    ...The Obama administration’s transformation of Syria into a magnet-cum-training ground for transnational jihadi fighters has directly fed the resurgence of jihadi extremism we are witnessing in Iraq.

    Three years ago, at the beginning of the Syrian conflict, the Islamic State of Iraq — formed in 2006 from Abu Musab Az-Zarqawi’s “Al-Qaeda in Iraq” movement — was on the ropes. Reinvigorated through the creation of an externally supported insurgency in Syria by the United States and America’s European and regional partners, it rebranded itself in 2013 as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and, like the Taliban in Afghanistan before 9/11, has taken over swaths of both Syria and Iraq with lightning speed.

    Washington has only itself and its collaborators in the anti-Assad crusade to blame for such an outcome. As ISIS captures more cities and territory in Iraq, it is also capturing stockpiles of weapons and military equipment that America supplied to the post-Saddam government — weapons and equipment that will enable further gains by ISIS fighters.

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  6. Neither the interests of ordinary Syrians and Iraqis nor the interests of ordinary Americans will be served by Washington doubling down on its ill-considered arming of brutal and unrepresentative militias.

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  7. More results of the Neocon crusade:

    AP- The Islamic militant group that seized much of northern Iraq has posted photos that appear to show its fighters shooting dead dozens of captured Iraqi soldiers.

    The pictures on a militant website appear to show masked fighters of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant loading the captives onto flatbed trucks before forcing them to lie face-down in a shallow ditch with their arms tied behind their backs. The final images appear to show the bodies of the captives soaked in blood after being shot.

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  8. One trick pony. "neo-con" this or that.

    I noticed you did not call out Rat for his nonsense on the last thread. One standard for me and not for him?

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    1. 165 posts, most rat dropping demanding that Bob admit he lied when he said that Rat said something..

      insanity...

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    2. By the way, what is the consensus over at your blog?

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    3. That Israel one hell of a great nation. Obama sucks Iranian dick. And that Brisket should be slow roasted and never shared with Rats.

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    4. Still waiting on an answer about why you left all of Rat's "nonsense" (to use your word) on the previous thread.

      I didn't post a single post there and it was and nonsensical as ever...

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    5. You are welcome. It must lighten your heart to know that Israel treats the Palestinians (actually "arab") citizens of Israel better than any arab nation or even the new Unity government treats it's own citizens.

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    6. Corrected:

      You are welcome. It must lighten your heart to know that Israel ( actually European Refugees) treats the Palestinians (actually “arab”) citizens of Israel better than any arab nation or even the new Unity government treats it’s own citizens.

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    7. Actually 45% of Israel is made of Jews from the arab occupied middle east.

      I find it interesting you refuse to acknowledge the crimes against them. they lived in the middle east for 3000 years, long before the modern arab crawled out of arabia....

      Corrected again.

      You are welcome. It must lighten your heart to know that Israel ( European Refugees and Jews from the Arab world) treats the Palestinians (actually “arab”) citizens of Israel better than any arab nation or even the new Unity government treats it’s own citizens.

      40% of all Israeli Jews are now native born as well.

      And yet they still treat the arabs better than any arab or persian nation on the planet.

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  9. Will President Obama become a Neo-Con?


    Irony of Ironies: President Obama will intervene in Iraq because of oil
    By Silvio Canto, Jr.


    During the Iraq War days, we used to hear that President Bush (41 & 43) intervened because of oil. I'm sure that you remember the posters and the speeches about how our war in Iraq was about oil.

    Get ready because President Obama will soon use US air power to keep terrorists from taking over a country with significant oil fields.

    According to news reports, you could soon be paying a lot more to fill your tank if Iraq collapses:

    "While that price is nearly 13 cents more than one year ago, most experts are predicting a relatively tame 7 to 10 cents a gallon increase in the next two weeks as the summer season kicks off.

    But any reduction in the flow of Iraqi crude due to the ongoing Islamic insurgency in the northern Iraq cities of Mosul and Tikrit could have worldwide economic consequences, according to oil industry analyst Phill Flynn, who said speculators are watching for the worst-case scenario.

    “They think that Baghdad will not fall and that will be a more spirited defense of that city,” Flynn said. “But if it does fall and if the terrorists move further south, the price you’re paying at the pump today is gonna look like a bargain in a couple weeks.”

    Higher gasoline prices will have an awful impact on the tepid economic recovery. In fact, it could push us into a recession rather quickly.

    So get ready for military action to protect oil prices.

    I can't wait to see how the anti-war left, and their friends in the Democrat Party, will react.

    ......................

    If he does will not the entire US of A have become Neo-Cons?

    Will 100% of us then be doing Deuce's Dance of the Neo-Con cons?

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    1. I'll go with the energy traders.

      Baghdad will not fall.

      And Saudi Arabia will not either.

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  10. Who intervened with air strikes in Syria?
    Who sent arms to the “opposition rebels”?
    Which lobby group led Congress around by the nose ring in calling for Obama to attack Syria, on the side of the rebels, as our indispensable fraternal and eternal ally had?

    The Neocons, of course.

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    1. The Sunnis are now welling up to attack the Shias.

      The Shias have destroyed Syria, 160 thousand dead, 4 million homeless, now the Sunni are fighting back. Iraq? has been a sock puppet for Iran under the current "leadership". My only HOPE? Is that the Sunnis of Iran, the arabs, the Kurds and the other 100 different NON-persians will rise up and consume Iran as well.

      the more the shits and the suns murder one another? The less left to murder me and mine.

      More moslems are hacked to death in 1 week than the ENTIRE 60 year palestinian(arab) verses Israel conflict.

      and we are in week 216 of the moslem on moslem most recent flare up....

      What the moslems are doing to one another from mali to pakistan, iraq and syria to indonesia is NOTHing that a NEO-con could ever have dreamed about let alone accomplish.

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    2. All the more reason I find the israel/Jew haters that obsess about israeli housing, treatment of the palios to be amusing....

      Hamas fires rockets into Israel, KIDNAPS 3 teenagers and Israel DOESNT cut off food, water and medicine.

      DOESNT use barrel bombs like assad, DOESNT hang suspected terrorists from cranes, like Iran hangs women.....

      Yep. Israel is still the middle east's best and only hope...

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  11. Right, the entire Middle East is in turmoil and three Israeli teenagers hitchhiking go missing....

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    1. Kidnapped.

      No outrage here, none expected.

      This is why Israel and Jews do not, or should not rely on others to defend and protect.

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    2. Missing, they ran away from home

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    3. If they were kidnapped, it was by the Mossad

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    4. Thanks Rat for your insight. I am sure if we do not hear from you it will also be the Mossad. Or one can hope.

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    5. Deuce, even you will have to admit the life of one Israeli is worth 1000 times more than an arab.

      The Arab have created this equation. They demand one thousand of theirs released for even the remains of an Israeli soldier.

      This act of kidnapping is akin to 3000 or more arabs being kidnapped and held for ransom.

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    6. I am familiar with Israeli math. I recall Netanyahu making numeric comparisons with Israeli casualties to US casualties on Meet The Press. He calculated one Israeli was worth about 40 US. That even came to the attention of The US Conga Line.

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    7. Yes, when it came to PROPORTION.

      Must you too distort to make a point?

      How about this math. Israel has lost IN PROPORTION 30 911's since it was founded.

      yep that is about 40-1.

      But America does have a population of 330 million to Israel's 9.

      As for islamists value of an Israeli? they demand a 1000 terrorists for one sergeant.

      As for islamists value of an American? they got 5 islamic generals for a deserter...

      about the same....

      feel better?

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  12. Meanwhile at the Daily News, Fat Freddy Kagan, Neocon superior is cheering for US involvement, militarily of course, in the battle.
    Who is Fat Freddy?

    'Freddy' Kagan's brother is foreign policy analyst Robert Kagan, whose wife is Victoria Nuland, spokesperson for the United States Department of State. Frederick Kagan is married to Kimberly Kagan, president of the Institute for the Study of War.

    Frederick Kagan and his father Donald Kagan, who is a professor at Yale and a fellow at the Hudson Institute, together authored While America Sleeps: Self-Delusion, Military Weakness, and the Threat to Peace Today (2000). The book argued in favor of a large increase in military spending and warned of future threats, including from a potential revival of Iraq's WMD program. Frederick along with his brother Robert Kagan, who is a member of the Aspen Strategy Group, and their father Donald, are all signatories to the Project for the New American Century manifesto titled Rebuilding America’s Defenses (2000).

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  13. Get your Neocon juices flowing and read Fat Freddy, ready for the fray:


    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/put-fire-article-1.1829272

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  14. More here on Fat Freddy Kagan:

    http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2012/12/meet-kagans-and-no-its-not-sitcom.html

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  15. Freddy sure looks ready for combat ( by your sons and grandsons of course).

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  16. Just like most of the other Neocon mouthpieces except for Flash Crash, John McCain. With all due respect.

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    1. I suggest we sit back and watch the show. Hundreds of thousands of palestinians being driven from refugee camps, tens of thousands of arabs being starved and murdered by Assad (Iran and Hezbollah), The sunnis? doing it back in spades to the shia of Iraq.

      The real question is, WHEN will it hit Iran....

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    2. Where did the Mossad take those teenagers?/

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    3. Fatah and Hamas took the teenagers.

      But your misdirection and lies prove the lack of character you have.

      Rat/Jack/FarmerRob, we all know who you are.

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  17. More on the Kagan Neocon Team:

    That the Kagans are beating the drum for war and still more war is not surprising as that is how they make a living, but it is more disturbing when newspapers and media outlets that pretend to be reputable persist in providing a forum for their cheerleading. The Kagans are likely familiar to many readers of TAC, having been leading neoconservative spokesmen since 9/11. Kimberly is currently president for the oddly named Institute for the Study of War while Fred, who claims to have been a co-creator of the surge policy that was applied in Iraq, is the director of the Critical Threats Project at the American Enterprise Institute. Fred’s brother Robert is at the Brookings Institution and has also been a foreign policy adviser to both John McCain and Mitt Romney.

    The Kagans are classic neocon entrepreneurs who rely on nepotism and cronyism to work their way through the system. Kimberly studied ancient history at Yale under Donald Kagan and then married his son. She is now billed as a “military expert” by the neocon media in spite of her lack of any actual military experience. Kimberly and Fred have together attached themselves firmly to the COIN counterinsurgency strategy and to the surge tactics as well as to two of its leading proponents, General Stanley McChrystal and General David Petraeus. Kimberly has written a book glorifying Petraeus entitled “The Surge: a Military History.” For the neocon Weekly Standard she wrote a hagiography of the plodding General Raymond Odierno called “The Patton of Counterinsurgency” which might well be considered a comedy piece but for the fact that it was serious. Fred and Kimberly write mostly about the Middle East, but they do not appear to have working knowledge of either Farsi or Arabic, like many of the other neocon so-called experts, so their knowledge is derivative.

    The Kagans became War on Terror frontline personalities when General McChrystal included them in a commission to conduct a sixty day review intended to devise a formula to repeat an Iraq style surge to win in Afghanistan. It is important to note that the advisory group was selected to reflect a certain diversity of opinion in tactical terms, but no one was selected to represent an alternative viewpoint, i.e. that the US should leave Afghanistan as soon as possible. It was a group designed from the start to say “yes.”

    After McChrystal committed himself to surging 40,000 more troops to win in Afghanistan, Kimberly and Fred embarked on a media campaign to sell the concept. Kimberly, described as a McChrystal adviser, appeared on ABC news saying “Those forces would go in, they would protect the population they would interact with local elders, village elders, try to figure out who those bad guys are in those communities and figure out different ways of making those communities safe.” On CNN she explained that “What 40,000 does is fill in the gaps around Kandahar, around Khost and Helmand Province. It does not, however, cover the entire country.” She supported full deployment of the precise number 40,000, just as she is now pushing for “over 30,000”, because “It’s not as though we can simply plug half as many holes with half as many troops and somehow seize the initiative from the enemy. On the contrary, half as many troops will probably leave us pinned down as we are.”



    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-forever-wars-of-frederick-kimberly-kagan/

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  18. Cheers mate! At least we got rid of one of them, Eric Cantor. Cantor was a nasty little warmonger. He lost in a heavily military district. I would guess most of the troops went to the polls to oppose this guy. He got 5 million from the elites to push war and amnesty. He thought he could buy the election. Well it didn't work. The people have caught up to these people. Lindsay Grahame got re nominated because talk radio people didn't go after him enough. The same people who gave Cantor millions gave Grahame even more. In the case of Grahame, it is truly a tragedy we didn't get him as well. He and McCain are the worst Senators in the Republican Party. They get to be the face of the Republican Party because the media knows that they hurt the party every time they are on TV. They are Hillary Clintons favorite senators. Dr. Brat also made a huge issue of the NSA and spying on the population. He properly called out Cantor as a supporter of this kind of totalitarianism.

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  19. Israeli's al-Qeada proxy stopped 100 km outside of Baghdad.

    Six Kurds killed

    Iraqi Parliament refuses to "Declare Emergency".

    Assad's forces making major gains in Syria, rebel forces have collapsed

    GOP fundraising "way down" from 2010 levels,
    Mitit Romney to run for President in 2016, rallies supporters in Utah

    Rommey "is the only person that can fill the stage," said MSNBC host and former Republican congressman Joe Scarborough at a private dinner on the summit's opening night, according to The Washington Post.

    "He would be a giant in a field of midgets," ...



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    1. Romney garnered 37% of the Presidential vote, in 2012 ...

      "He would be a giant in a field of midgets," ...

      The GOP is in collapse!

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  20. In Mossad kidnapping case the False Flags are flying.

    In replay of Casablanca ... the Israeli Army arrests ...

    "The Usual Suspects"

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    1. This is Fatah's Facebook page.

      https://www.facebook.com/fateh.press1/posts/712035705502001?fref=nf

      Click on translate to see what they are saying.

      ::يرجى النشر و التّعميم::نشطاء يناشدون كل اصحاب المحلات في محافظة الخليل ان يحذفو ويحطمو تسجيلات الفيديو التي صورتها كاميراتهم خلال 24 ساعة الماضية حتى لا يحصل عليها الاحتلال وتساعدهم في البحث عن الاسرى الثلاثة ..
      # Hebron:: Please publishing and dissemination: activists appeal to all the shopkeepers in Hebron that yhazevo weihatamo videos filmed by cameras during the past 24 hours, so don't get them and help them in the search for the three prisoners. (Translated by Bing)

      This will be excellent to show to the Congress to use to cut off all aid to the Palestinians....

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    2. Over 80 Hamas members have been arrested in the West Bank.

      Good start.

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    3. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDA

      Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post


      http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

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    4. I hope Assad is dragged thru the streets by Al-Queda.

      then I hope al-queda is offed by the Druze.

      then I hope the Druze take over Syria and make peace with it's neighbors.

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    5. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDA

      Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post

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    6. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 08:31:00 AM EDT

      Over the Christians, Alawites and all others.

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    7. Cant make the posts up on this blog...

      "ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 08:31:00 AM EDT
      Over the Christians, Alawites and all others."

      Judging from this? You;d think you were on an White Supremacists Blog.

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    8. I'm not surprised that you deny that people said what they said when they said they prefered AQ, since your tactic for dealing with contradictions in Torah is to say leave the interpretation to the big boys.

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    9. I'm not surprised by your comments either. After how many years lying to all of the blog about you being a catholic lesbian, complete with partner and retirement plans, your constant slander of torah and the Jewish state.

      You speak, lies and distortion spew...

      But really how goes the fake cancer?

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    10. Funny thing? How many times have you stormed off this blog, demanding your name removed? How many times have you pissed off the supposed "friends" you have here?

      LOL

      Stick to linux.

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    11. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 09:50:00 AM EDT

      Ambassador Oren left no room for equivocation, then it was printed in the JPost

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    12. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 09:54:00 AM EDT

      Is it the JPost or Ambassador Oren that you now claim misrepresents Israel.
      Seems that both are doing a first rate job of representing Israel and the truth

      . If "O" does not prefer al-Qaeda, perhaps he should rethink his lock-step approval of all things Israeli, because ...

      Israel prefers al-Qeada

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    13. I have no friends here, WiO, only servants, students, and enemies.

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    14. I think the truth is simple.

      Israel prefers Rat and his friends in al-Queda to fight the shia to the death.

      Happy Father's Day, that doesn't apply to the squatter in the bottom lands as impregnating a lady doesn't make you a father, just a breeder.... No Father's Day cards for you... LOSER

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    15. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 10:06:00 AM EDT

      ;-)

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    16. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 10:12:00 AM EDT

      Assad is an Alawite, the Alawite ARE NOT Shiites.

      Danial Pipes tell us:

      'Alawis reject Islam's main tenets; by almost any standard they must be considered non-Muslims.

      Some 'Alawi doctrines appear to derive from Phoenician paganism, Mazdakism and Manicheanism. But by far the greatest affinity is with Christianity. '


      The Israeli propagate their misinformation for their own strategic purposes.

      http://www.danielpipes.org/191/the-alawi-capture-of-power-in-syria

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    17. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 10:14:00 AM EDT

      That would be DANIEL Pipes tell us

      'Alawis reject Islam's main tenets; by almost any standard they must be considered non-Muslims.

      Some 'Alawi doctrines appear to derive from Phoenician paganism, Mazdakism and Manicheanism. But by far the greatest affinity is with Christianity. '

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    18. The Alawites, also known as Alawis (ʿAlawīyyah Arabic: علوية‎), are a prominent mystical religious group, centred in Syria, who follow a branch of the Twelver school of Shia Islam


      Wrong again Horse Lover.

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    19. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 10:28:00 AM EDT

      Go tell Daniel Pipes, or bring a "Real" expert, because you don't qualify as one.

      You can't wipe Daniel Pipes's ass.

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    20. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 10:35:00 AM EDT

      Daniel Pipes.org = 66 million page views

      DanielPipes.org received about 10,000 unique visitors a month from its opening in December 2000 until 9/11. After 9/11, the number of visitors jumped to about 50,000 a month. The readership has continued to grow and has reached over 300,000 unique visitors a month. The number of page views per month increased from about 50,000 to over a million. In all, the site has received 66 million page visits.

      The site is linked to by nearly 300,000 other pages (with the most readers coming from WorldNetDaily.com FrontPageMag.com, and LittleGreenFootballs.com).

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    21. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 10:39:00 AM EDT

      Poor Anonymous, can't wipe his own ass, let alone that of Daniel Pipes.

      The truth will out. Propaganda falls by the side of the road, can't go the distance.
      Ambassador Oren stated Israel's case plainly, it prefers al-Qeada over Christians, Kurds and Alawites.

      It was printed in the JPost.

      “They're called 'facts', and my role is to amplify those, not cheerlead.
      And I don't care at all what you think of my motives.”

      ― Glenn Greenwald


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    22. You are as nuanced as a load of horse shit.

      Your understanding of the Shias (all of them) equals your understanding of most things...

      ZERO.

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    23. Daniel Pipes on Jerusalem

      Comparing Religious Claims


      An aerial view of the Temple Mount.
      The Jewish connection to Jerusalem is an ancient and powerful one. Judaism made Jerusalem a holy city over three thousand years ago and through all that time Jews remained steadfast to it. Jews pray in its direction, mention its name constantly in prayers, close the Passover service with the wistful statement "Next year in Jerusalem," and recall the city in the blessing at the end of each meal. The destruction of the Temple looms very large in Jewish consciousness; remembrance takes such forms as a special day of mourning, houses left partially unfinished, a woman's makeup or jewelry left incomplete, and a glass smashed during the wedding ceremony. In addition, Jerusalem has had a prominent historical role, is the only capital of a Jewish state, and is the only city with a Jewish majority during the whole of the past century. In the words of its current mayor, Jerusalem represents "the purest expression of all that Jews prayed for, dreamed of, cried for, and died for in the two thousand years since the destruction of the Second Temple."
      What about Muslims? Where does Jerusalem fit in Islam and Muslim history? It is not the place to which they pray, is not once mentioned by name in prayers, and it is connected to no mundane events in Muhammad's life. The city never served as capital of a sovereign Muslim state, and it never became a cultural or scholarly center. Little of political import by Muslims was initiated there.

      One comparison makes this point most clearly: Jerusalem appears in the Jewish Bible 669 times and Zion (which usually means Jerusalem, sometimes the Land of Israel) 154 times, or 823 times in all. The Christian Bible mentions Jerusalem 154 times and Zion 7 times. In contrast, the columnist Moshe Kohn notes, Jerusalem and Zion appear as frequently in the Qur'an "as they do in the Hindu Bhagavad-Gita, the Taoist Tao-Te Ching, the Buddhist Dhamapada and the Zoroastrian Zend Avesta"—which is to say, not once.

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    24. Listen up, anti-Zionists and antisemites, Palestinians and Islamists, extreme right- and left-wingers: You are fighting a losing battle; the Jewish state is prevailing. As Mr. Inbar rightly concludes, "Time seems to be on Israel's side." Give up and find some other country to torment.

      Mr. Pipes (DanielPipes.org) is president of the Middle East Forum. © 2013 by Daniel Pipes. All rights reserved.

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    25. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2011/06/remarkable-israel

      For all Israel's challenge in being accepted by the Palestinians, the neighborhood, Muslims, leftists, antisemites, conspiracy theorists, and assorted cranks, it has a dazzling record of success. The country's military prowess – operational and technological alike – is renowned; but the Jewish state, population 7.7 million, is no less impressive in other areas too. (June 13, 2011)

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    26. It is a form of idolatry to worship a location on the Earth. Jews ought to know better.

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    27. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/269462/remarkable-israel-daniel-pipes

      Remarkable Israel
      By Daniel Pipes
      June 13, 2011 11:29 AM

      Israel’s military prowess — operational and technological alike — is renowned; but the Jewish state, population 7.7 million, is no less impressive in other areas too:

      High technology: “Over the past two decades Israel has been transformed from a semisocialist backwater into a high-tech superpower. Adjust for population and Israel leads the world in the number of high-tech start-ups and the size of the venture-capital industry.” (“Beyond the start-up nation,” The Economist, December 29, 2010.) Israeli exports amounted to US$80.5 billion in 2010.

      Classical music: “Israel has become a pocket superpower in the arts, most visibly in classical music. … The distinctly Israeli take on the European classical tradition has become the country’s most notable cultural export.” (David P. Goldman, “Pioneers: A mix of passion and tradition makes Israel a classical-musical superpower,” Tablet, July 21, 2010.)

      Population: Israel’s total population today is between that of Istanbul and Tehran but that may change: “At constant fertility, Israel will have more young people by the end of this century than either Turkey or Iran. … Israel will be able to field the largest land army in the Middle East.” (David P. Goldman, “Israel as Middle Eastern hegemon,” Asia Times, May 24, 2011.)

      Energy: “One of [Israel’s] largest deposits — 250 billion barrels of oil in Israel’s Shfela basin[ — is] comparable to Saudi Arabia’s entire reserves of 260 billion barrels of oil.” In addition to the sheer size of the deposits, Israeli engineers are pioneering technological innovations for its extraction. (Lawrence Solomon, “Israel’s new energy,” Financial Post, Jun 10, 2011.)

      Overall: “Israel, per capita, is the most creative and innovative country on the face of the earth.” (George Gilder, author of The Israel Test, interviewed in “Choosing the Chosen People,” National Review, July 30, 2009)

      Comment: For all Israel’s challenge in being accepted by the Palestinians, the neighbors, Muslims, and leftists, it has an amazing record of success.

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    28. "The Hell of Israel Is Better than the Paradise of Arafat"

      http://www.danielpipes.org/2534/the-hell-of-israel-is-better-than-the-paradise-of-arafat

      In the Palestinian Authority's (PA) elections that took place in January 2005, a significant percentage of Arab Jerusalemites stayed away from the polls out of concern that voting in them might jeopardize their status as residents of Israel.

      The whole world seems to be talking about the future of the Arabs of Jerusalem, but no one has bothered asking us. The international community and the Israeli Left seem to take it for granted that we want to live under Mr. Arafat's control. We don't. Most of us despise Mr. Arafat and the cronies around him, and we want to stay in Israel. At least here I can speak my mind freely without being dumped in prison, as well as having a chance to earn an honest day's wage.

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    29. Teresita RedingerSun Jun 15, 10:48:00 AM EDT
      It is a form of idolatry to worship a location on the Earth. Jews ought to know better.

      You ought to know that lying fake lesbian catholic's opinions on anything Jewish is worthless.

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    30. Such bigotry... ;-(

      The Semite tribes of Arabia were inspired by Mithras patriarchal dogma, plagiarized the Egyptian’s religious manual: the Book of Death, to invent Judaism and Torah, or Old Testament as their religious manual.

      Then came the Prophet Muhammad and soon there were two Semitic, barbaric, misogynist, man-made, warmongering, pedophile, children raping, slave holding and slave marketing, patriarchal religions.

      Judaism and Islam are, and have always been, the agents and promoters of ignorance, hate, violence, rape, murder, plunder, mediocrity and stupidity.

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    31. If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever.
      Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again.
      Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.

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    32. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 12:28:00 PM EDT

      It has now been made clear that even the Israeli cohort is satisfied that Daniel Pipes is an authentic expert.
      So, what does that tell us ...

      Plainly speaking the Alawites are not Muslims. The Alawis, as Daniel Pie tells us ...
      '... reject Islam's main tenets; by almost any standard they must be considered non-Muslims.

      Some 'Alawi doctrines appear to derive from Phoenician paganism, Mazdakism and Manicheanism. But by far the greatest affinity is with Christianity. '


      So it is again made evident and confirmed by the "O" that the Israeli prefer terrorist, throat cutting Islamic neighbors to those with an affinity with Christianity.

      Despite all the protestations, when the Israeli went to find an expert to dispute Daniel Pipes, there was none to be found, they brought Daniel Pipes to the table, and tried to change the subject. From Alawites to Palestine.
      From the matter at hand, that ...
      ... Israel Prefers al-Qeada to Christians...


      So that is how it goes, the Israeli propaganda has been exposed.
      The truth will out.

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  21. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDA

    Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

    “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran
    to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

    Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.
    “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” Oren said in the interview.

    http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

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  22. Happy Father's Day, dads !!

    I get free dinner and we go to see "A Million Ways To Die in the Old West".

    What a great wife !!

    Later......

    Cheers !!

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    1. Diner at dawn!

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    2. u caint spel, amego

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    3. Bob say's he is going to the going to the diner at dawn, for dinner, what's not to spell?

      It sounds like another lie.

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    5. Bob is not a liar..

      We all know that Jack is Rat, Rat is FarmerRob, Dr Hess and a dozen or so assorted nonsensical signons.

      Rat bragged about his set up with multiple log-ons. It's a weird mental game that the Rat plays....

      Insecurity coupled with a Narcissistic personalty disorder with a dash of anti-semitism.

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  23. SAS to Iraq?

    In London, William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, said Britain was considering its options. While also ruling out direct intervention by troops, he said Britain was “looking urgently at other ways to help”. He proposed “counter-terrorism expertise”, which would mean advisers from British Special Forces such as the SAS and intelligence agencies

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  24. Jesus, Bob, I got up once in the middle of the night to drop an ace, and made a post, but you've been posting all night, and all day yesterday, and all morning. Real life calls.

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  25. Here is the big picture as I see it, The US invaded and destroyed Iraq and its infrastructure based on lies and at great expense. That eventually resulted in the current mess. The US is unwilling to commit ground troops to help Iraq deal with this mess. Iran is willing and able to field ground troops (probably already did, judging by reports in wsj and ny times).
    It is a no brainer to conclude that Iraqis (at least the Shiite majority) will feel indebted to Iran. So the US spent trillions of dollars, killed over a hundred thousand Iraqi civilians, incurred thousands of its own military casualties and summarily handed Iraq over to Iran.
    This is what happens when idiots are put in charge of the worlds largest economic and military power.

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    1. This is what happens when 535 idiots sign over their Article I powers to declare war to one idiot.

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    2. It's what happens when one idiot, Obama, says Iraq is not important and we are getting out totally, and the real war which we must win is in Afghanistan.

      Obama has thrown all the effort away, he has wasted all the sacrifice.

      It is like everything he does is to weaken the US.

      And the 535 idiots voted by a majority to go to war with Iraq. They did not 'sign over' anything, you idiot.

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    3. If we went to war based on what people said they would do ("put a hit on daddy Bush, wipe Israel off the face of the Earth") we'd be constantly at war. How about we go to war based on what people do, like strike Pearl Harbor, or open fire on Old Glory in Charleston Harbor. Post 2003 it was funny to watch PNAC's narrative on Saddam's WMDs go from "He's got em" to "We'll find them yet" to "He never had them but he can make them quickly" to "His generals lied to him and we believed them" to "At this point what difference does it make?"

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    4. Write your Congressmen/women.

      Was Joe Biden right?
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      President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden are pictured. | Getty
      The violence in Iraq could deliver a grim measure of vindication for Biden. | Getty
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      By JOSH GERSTEIN | 6/13/14 10:51 PM EDT
      The advance of Islamic militants across Iraq has brought fresh criticism for the Obama administration — but may also deliver a grim measure of vindication to one very prominent White House official: Vice President Joe Biden.

      In recent months, former officials and pundits questioned and even ridiculed Biden’s foreign policy acumen.


      Former Defense Secretary Bob Gates wrote in his memoir that Biden “was wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue of the past four decades.”

      And former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s new book “Hard Choices” notes that Biden “remained skeptical” about launching the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in 2011 — and that others in the administration were at odds with Biden. “I thought we should go for it,” Clinton states, a contrast she has also drawn attention to on the road since leaving office.

      This week paints Biden’s judgment in a far different light.

      (Also on POLITICO: Clinton slams Maliki, 'dysfunctional' Iraq government)

      Recent events in Iraq call attention to his prediction nearly a decade ago that the war-torn nation was heading towards a break-up along sectarian lines — and to a prescription he offered to try to manage that reality by granting Sunnis, Shia and Kurds greater autonomy over various parts of the country.

      In other words: while Biden may have taken a beating repeatedly in recent years for some foreign policy calls he’s made, his judgment on Iraq’s capacity to stay united now looks almost prescient.



      Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/joe-biden-iraq-107858.html#ixzz34iellHEh

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    5. Churchill on one hand ...
      Biden on the other ...

      George W Bush made the decision ....

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    6. I'm on record agreeing with Crazy Joe on this point. National boundaries don't mean squat anymore, it's all about ethnic boundaries.

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  26. One million moms threatened JC Penney over a Mother's Day ad that featured two moms. JC Penney responded with a Father's Day ad that featured two dads. JC Penney sees your homophobia and raises a double rainbow.

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  27. Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said the USS George H.W. Bush was moving from the North Arabian Sea into the Gulf in order to provide U.S. President Barack Obama "additional flexibility should military options be required to protect American lives, citizens and interests in Iraq."

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/iraqi-military-makes-gains-north-of-baghdad-in-conflict-with-isis-1402765053#

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      Death From Above

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  28. It must be a wonderful world full of unicorns and pink ponies where WiO can use language against itself and make words like "We have a preference for Al Qaeda" mean whatever he wants, but it's not a world I care to communicate in.

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    1. That's your problem babe....

      you take things out of context. snip and cut, paste and re-arrange.

      that is called "proof texting"

      Prooftexting (sometimes "proof-texting" or "proof texting") is the practice of using isolated quotations from a document to establish a proposition. Using discrete quotations is generally seen as decontextualised. Critics note that such quotes may not accurately reflect the original intent of the author,[1] and that a document quoted in such a manner may not in fact support the proposition for which it was cited when read as a whole.

      But you know that, your a smart broad, so you tell us all the time...

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    2. thanks for the typo correction...

      You're a smart broad, so you tell us all the time...

      that was sarcasm in case you didn't get it...

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  29. "And the 535 idiots voted by a majority to go to war with Iraq. They did not 'sign over' anything, you idiot."

    Really? And here I thought the last time Congress declared war was December 8, 1941. Shows what I know.

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    1. The Congressional vote authorizing the president to use force was a de facto declaration of war without the attendant difficulties that would have plagued an actual declaration. Had the Congress voted out a declaration of war, the fragile and completely unnecessary "coalition" of US "allies" and "partners" would have fallen apart, immediately. You may be certain that foreign politicians opposed to George's great adventure would have demanded the same declaration from their legislative bodies. It would have been utter, democratic chaos and might have sunk the whole grand project, bringing democracy and Macy’s to the freedom loving residents of Iraq.

      So, you see, dear girl, there was method to the dereliction. That is almost always the case. Your Congress may give the impression of being as dense as a bag of hammers, but most of them become wealthy during their unstinting service to the nation and its veterans.


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    2. The Congressional vote authorizing the president to use force was a de facto declaration of war without the attendant difficulties that would have plagued an actual declaration.

      In other words, they gave Bush a blank check on the use of force. Which is another way to say they signed over their Article I power to declare war. Which is exactly what I said, except that I won't call you an idiot because I don't want to insult idiotic people.

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  30. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDA Sun Jun 15, 10:28:00 AM EDT
    Go tell Daniel Pipes, or bring a "Real" expert, because you don't qualify as one.

    You can't wipe Daniel Pipes's ass.


    And yet Pipes Supports Israel! Daniel is a fierce supporter of Zionism and Zionists. I have met Daniel Pipes, I have attended his lectures, I even had the good fortune to have a nice conversation and lunch with Daniel. We share many of the same beliefs.

    You sir are no Daniel Pipes, if fact? You are the enemy to which he refers to...

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    1. Ad hominem arguments are a preferred tool for people who ran out of real arguments
      (or are unable to understand someone else's opinion in the first place).

      It's so much easier to just attack another person instead of attacking his arguments
      (especially if the other person is right.)

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    2. Like calling Bob a liar daily, Desert Rat?

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    3. BobSat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT

      Why just yesterday rat was denouncing Raul in the fiercest terms not knowing his very own Hero of the Libertarians thought the opposite....that Raul Labrador would make "a great leader'.

      If not for my doc's appointment and other necessities I surely would have gone to this event. The Huckster was here as well.

      #"Prostates Before Politics"


      The lies are as follow and wil not be ignored ...
      ... rat ...
      ... fiercest terms ...
      ... his very own Hero ...


      Bob is a liar

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  31. And Daniel Pipes likes you too, WiO. Try to keep your pants on.

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  32. Sorry Ms T, I aint gay nor to pretend to be...

    Now you? For YEARS lied to everyone here about being a lesbian, having a partner and moving to the Philippines in retirement. I wonder how your husband felt about that? A wife pretending to be a lesbian online....

    weird...

    Maybe you are a man, should I wish you a happy father's day?

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    1. Ad hominem arguments are a preferred tool for people who ran out of real arguments
      (or are unable to understand someone else's opinion in the first place).

      It's so much easier to just attack another person instead of attacking his arguments
      (especially if the other person is right.)

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    2. Why choose between cake and ice cream when you can have cake and ice cream.

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    3. Like calling Bob a liar daily, Desert Rat?

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    4. BobSat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT

      Why just yesterday rat was denouncing Raul in the fiercest terms not knowing his very own Hero of the Libertarians thought the opposite....that Raul Labrador would make "a great leader'.

      If not for my doc's appointment and other necessities I surely would have gone to this event. The Huckster was here as well.

      #"Prostates Before Politics"


      The lies are as follow and wil not be ignored …
      ... rat ...
      ... fiercest terms ...
      ... his very own Hero …


      Bob is a liar

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  33. Rufus IISat Jun 14, 07:33:00 PM EDT
    You don't remember me mocking the Kurds, you sad-sack, lower than whaleshit maggot. That never happened.

    btw, you deluded piece of shit, What was the Brand Name of the ear plugs you were issued at the Rifle Range?


    What brand of lock did you use to secure your rifle to your bunk? Who provided your medical care while on active duty (I am going to give you as many chances as you need to guess the answer. Clue: Corpsmen belonged to that branch). What is a Corpsman?

    Tell me again, how did you serve during the Viet Nam era and not know the terms of enlistment?

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    1. And, Rufus (pog), be sure to take good care of that non-service connected disability.

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    2. Ad hominem arguments are a preferred tool for people who ran out of real arguments
      (or are unable to understand someone else's opinion in the first place).

      It's so much easier to just attack another person instead of attacking his arguments
      (especially if the other person is right.)

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    3. Like calling Bob a liar daily, Desert Rat?

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    4. BobSat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT

      Why just yesterday rat was denouncing Raul in the fiercest terms not knowing his very own Hero of the Libertarians thought the opposite....that Raul Labrador would make "a great leader'.

      If not for my doc's appointment and other necessities I surely would have gone to this event. The Huckster was here as well.

      #"Prostates Before Politics"


      The lies are as follow and wil not be ignored …
      ... rat ...
      ... fiercest terms ...
      ... his very own Hero …


      Bob is a liar

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    5. First off, you dumb, phony sonofabitch, anyone who was ever in the Marine Corps knows that EARPLUGS ARE NOT ISSUED!

      You were not even smart enough to figure it out when Rat gave it away. If we used anything, we used cigarette filters.

      The rest of it is just bullshit; even non-Marines know that the troops are ministered to by Navy Corpsmen. As for the question of whether there is/was such a thing as a Marine Medical Offficer, I don't know. But, obviously, you don't either. All I can say is I wouldn't bet against anything, having actually "been there."

      The "enlistment" bullshit, I don't know where that came from. I enlisted for 3 years, and spent 13 months in Nam (where I never, ever, locked my rifle to my bunk.

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    6. Did you follow orders and give your rifle a girl's name?

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    7. It was my rifle, not my "gun." :)

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  34. Desert Rat is insane.

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    1. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 01:37:00 PM EDT

      ;-)

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    2. Desert Rat is really insane.

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    3. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 01:45:00 PM EDT

      The "D" and "R" in the moniker of the Elephant Bar contributor were never capitalized ...
      Obviously you are not discussing the desert rat, but the Desert Rat - Field Marshall Montgomery.

      Whom George Patton Jr did think was nuts, because like Bob, Field Marshall Monty would never admit a mistake..

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    4. Desert Rat is really really insane.

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    5. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 01:53:00 PM EDT

      ;-)

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    6. See?

      He's nuts.

      And has admitted it with a Winky.

      So, having won, I quit.

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    7. Again, you misunderstand the message.
      The Smiley Face simply means ... "have a nice day"

      It is not an icon of agreement.

      Anonymous Bob is still a liar, and will remain so until an admission of error as concerns the Sat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT statement is made

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    8. Alawites have always described themselves as being Twelver Shi'ite Muslims and have been recognized as such by the prominent Lebanese Shi'ite cleric Musa al-Sadr.[55] The Sunni Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini issued a fatwa recognising them as part of the Muslim community in the interest of Arab nationalism.[56][57] However, Sunni scholars such as Ibn Kathir have categorised Alawites as pagans in their writings.[20][58][59]

      Barry Rubin has suggested that Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad and his son and successor Bashar al-Assad pressed their fellow Alawites "to behave like 'regular Muslims', shedding (or at least concealing) their distinctive aspects".[60] During the early 1970s a booklet, al-`Alawiyyun Shi'atu Ahl al-Bait ("The Alawites are Followers of the Household of the Prophet") was published, which was "signed by numerous 'Alawi' men of religion", described the doctrines of the Imami Shia as Alawite.[61] Additionally, there has been a recent movement to unite Alawism and the other branches of Twelver Islam through educational exchange programs in Syria and Qom.

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    9. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 02:59:00 PM EDT

      When Daniel Pipes posts this crap it will be believable, but for "O" to post it, without reference, it's garbage.

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    10. So Rat aka Jack, when you post ANYTHING without reference it's garbage too?

      Fucking retard.

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  35. ʿAlawite, Arabic ʿAlawī, plural ʿAlawīyah, also called Nuṣayrī, plural Nuṣayrīyah, or Namīrī, plural Namīrīyah, or Ansarī, plural Ansarīyah, ʿAlawite [Credit: National Library of Australia (nla.pic-an23549425)]any member of a minority sect of Shīʿite Muslims living chiefly in Syria.

    The roots of ʿAlawism lie in the teachings of Muḥammad ibn Nuṣayr an-Namīrī (fl. 850), a Basran contemporary of the 10th Shīʿite imam, and the sect was chiefly established by Ḥusayn ibn Ḥamdān al-Khaṣībī (d. 957 or 968) during the period of the Ḥamdānid dynasty (905–1004), at which time the ʿAlawites had great influence in Aleppo. With the fall of Shiʿite rule, however, the ʿAlawites, with other Shīʿites, became the victims of persecution. They were ill-treated by waves of Crusaders, by Mamlūks, and by Ottoman conquerors, in addition to fighting a number of internecine wars.

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    1. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 02:58:00 PM EDT

      When Daniel Pipes posts this crap it will be believable, but for "O" to post it, without reference, it's garbage.

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    2. And all of this 10th Alawite, 11th Shi'ite crap means less to me than Catholics calling Baptists heretics because Baptists use root beer and potato chips for the Lord's Supper.

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    3. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 03:00:00 PM EDT

      Doesn't even meet Wikipedia Standards.
      Complete garbage, not the level of scholarship provided by Daniel Pipes, not even close.

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    4. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 03:09:00 PM EDT

      Daniel Pipes tell the entire world ... in a well referenced article, free of Israeli propaganda ...

      'Alawis reject Islam's main tenets; by almost any standard they must be considered non-Muslims.

      Some 'Alawi doctrines appear to derive from Phoenician paganism, Mazdakism and Manicheanism.
      But by far the greatest affinity is with Christianity. '

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    5. The question is only a matter of degree; which Middle Eastern religion is less full of shit than the other?

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    6. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 03:13:00 PM EDT

      http://www.danielpipes.org/191/the-alawi-capture-of-power-in-syria

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    7. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 03:17:00 PM EDT

      Yeah, the Alawites, being non-Islamic, have a long history of persecution at the hands of the Muslim, especially the Sunni.
      Read the Pipes piece, it is quite informative, both on a historic and modern basis.

      Quotes learned men of Christianity, T.E. Lawrence and others that were/are well versed in the society in Syria.
      The Alawite are anti-Israeli due to the militancy of the Zionist, the colonialist ways of the Zionist and because they are riding the Islamic tiger and can't get off.

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    8. A simple question: Which of the “faithful” or their righteous and pious political supporters, from any of the sects or cults, would submit to medical treatment from a doctor practicing medicines and procedures of 300 years ago, let alone 3000?

      Answer: none

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    9. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 03:19:00 PM EDT

      But the Alawite ARE NOT Muslims, despite the Israeli protestations otherwise.

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    10. ...and spare us the bullshit about “we have a bad translation” and/or are not lettered enough in the words as scribed or that we don’t know the magic code divined by religious lawyers with long beards, bad eyes and costumes.

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    11. That's a really stupid question, Deuce.

      Why would anyone not want to take advantage of medical advances?

      Maybe the 7th Day Adventists or whoever they are that like to go by God's Hand or whatever. But that's about it.

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    12. Christian Scientists I think they are. The 7th Dayers are the vegetarians.

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    13. Who, in their right mind, would brag about using math, physics, chemistry, navigation, or anything other than religious nonsense, from 300, 700, 1500 or 3000 years ago?

      Nobody.

      Which family, race or human being has a lineage one day longer than any other?

      None.

      There is nothing special about any of them because of their birth or ancestry. There are the demented who believe that they are.

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    14. Muslim and Israeli all runs together in my mind when the Unchanging Sacred Books of both traditions call for the death of gays and witches and apostates. The only difference I see is that the Muslims are a bit more strict on the creation of things like a brass serpent, images of lions in the temple, or a pair of golden cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant.

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    15. Drug addicts are more honest. At least they know where their delusions and suspension of reality comes from. They don’t ask others to die for their childish hallucinations and wishful thinking.

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    16. Israel does not ask for others to die, they would just like American not to fund it's genocidal enemies...

      But you live safe and sound in America. no concerns. ohrah...

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    17. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 05:18:00 PM EDT

      Did you not read Bob's posts, where he spoke to the fact that Bibi wanted the US to stay in Iraq, to not allow a vacuum to form?

      Of course Bibi wanted US to spend blood and treasure, in the defense of Israel.
      When the US refused, Bibi formed an alliance with the Saudis and then got al-Qeda to do his bleeding, in Syria and now, Iraq.

      Israel is always looking for others to bleed, for Israel. Bleed blood and treasure.
      Which is why the Israeli have their hand out, in Washington DC, never failing to cash the check, regardless of where Israel has to spend that money

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    18. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 03:19:00 PM EDT
      But the Alawite ARE NOT Muslims, despite the Israeli protestations otherwise.

      Tell that to the Alawite.

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  36. .

    For T.

    J. C. Penney stock down over 50% in the last year, down over 11% in the last month.

    :)

    .

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  37. Try this reality on for size. If we had let Sadaam take Saudi Arabia, instead of sending in the 82nd Airborne, the jihadis in Arabia would have been busy fighting a secular Iraq rather than worrying about attacking NYC.

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  38. What is "Occupation"Sun Jun 15, 10:54:00 AM EDT
    "The Hell of Israel Is Better than the Paradise of Arafat"

    http://www.danielpipes.org/2534/the-hell-of-israel-is-better-than-the-paradise-of-arafat

    In the Palestinian Authority's (PA) elections that took place in January 2005, a significant percentage of Arab Jerusalemites stayed away from the polls out of concern that voting in them might jeopardize their status as residents of Israel.

    The whole world seems to be talking about the future of the Arabs of Jerusalem, but no one has bothered asking us. The international community and the Israeli Left seem to take it for granted that we want to live under Mr. Arafat's control. We don't. Most of us despise Mr. Arafat and the cronies around him, and we want to stay in Israel. At least here I can speak my mind freely without being dumped in prison, as well as having a chance to earn an honest day's wage.


    I guess Rat / Jack is blind. Cant see a URL staring him/her/it in the eye

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    1. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 05:38:00 PM EDT

      ;-)

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    2. It's a sad day for the rat/Jack, it's father's day and let's be honest, he has admitted that his one time that he had as a father was a complete failure.

      It's Father's Day. I am sure this creature we call the rat aka Jack, just as the Gollum, in the Hobbit, has a bitterness that society and the world has failed him.

      But it HE who has failed the world.

      Happy Father's Day to those that have fathered, raised and cared for our sons and daughters.

      To those that are just Baby Daddies? Kiss my ass....

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    3. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:04:00 PM EDT


      You presume to name those who have no name.

      ;-)

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  39. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 05:38:00 PM EDT

    More evidence that the kidnapping of the Israeli teens was a false flag operation, probably by the Mossad ...

    The "Rescuers" are leading the rescue operation with anti-tank rockets. The 'hostages' will be found, dead, in a building full of dead "terrorists". It is classic, but the assault by rocket first, is telling

    10:44 P.M. Palestinians report an Israeli army force is surrounding a house in the Hebron-area. Explosions were heard in the area. According to a Palestinian report, an anti-tank rocket was fired toward the house. Palestinian eyewitnesses told Haaretz that three people, including a seven-year-old child, were wounded by the rocket explosion.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.598771

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    1. Your compassion for the Israelis is touching, would make Hitler proud. I wonder what your father would think about it?

      you don't surprise me, in fact I just hope that someday, some how life will deal you the evil that you are....

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    2. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:03:00 PM EDT

      Compassion for the victims of the Mossad there is lots of that.
      That we should all recognize that the Mossad has taken those teens and will kill them, an obvious conclusion.

      If lucky, the victims will have been hooded and could possibly survive their kidnap by Mossad experience, but the reality that the 'rescuers' are leading with anti-tank rockets leaves scant chance for that option.

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    3. Fatah was already caught telling it's citizens to destroy the CCTV tapes as to make hard for the Israelis...

      We all know who did it. Hamas.

      All that is changed is that Hamas and Fatah underestimated the Israeli response, which is coming.

      Trust me, it's coming and it will not be pretty....

      As for you Jack? You are a worm, you know, I know, the blog knows it.

      Nothing more to prove about you. A self confessed murderer of civilians in Central America.

      A man with no soul. Bragged about whacking civilians now deals drugs and guns in AZ...

      yep we KNOW you....

      Bitter old has been....

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    4. Oh happy father's day...

      Glad you didn't have a chance to ruin that offspring...

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    5. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:32:00 PM EDT


      There is no evidence to support your claims.
      Only hubris from Bibi, who is using the Mossad operation to harass Hamas.

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    6. The whole world is wrong but one insane cowboy from AZ....

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    7. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:35:00 PM EDT


      It is a classic false flag operation, by the Mossad ...
      The Mossad which YOU have wielded like a club, to attempt to intimidate debate.
      It has failed to do that, but it has focused attention on their illegal activities, at home and abroad.

      Israel is being hung on your petard.

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    8. You keep telling yourself that..

      I'll keep count of the dead terrorists, your pals...

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    9. 12:16 A.M. Palestinian sources told Israel Radio that two Hamas operatives were arrested after the IDF surrounded their home in the southern part of Hebron. Hamas television claimed that the IDF used a missile to break into the home, and that special forces also took part in the operation. Two Palestinians were wounded in the incident.

      Seems the IDF IS using rocket propelled grenades to knock in doors... Just like the explosive charges the USA uses....

      2 hamas arrested...

      no dead terrorists YET...

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  40. O my Lord, that Quirk Leatherwood is one mean mother fucker.

    But his girl Anna really don't like him much.

    She falls for Nerd Sheepherder, he for her.

    She teaches him how to shoot.

    And that Leatherwood always pulls the trigger at 2 in a count of 3.

    SheepNerd and Leatherwood have the final gunfight.

    Cause Anna's brother done seen NerdShep a kissin' Anna, and done told Quirk.

    At the count of 1, Nerd Shepard pulls the trigger, but just an arm graze.

    NerdShep is a goner for sure, but, wait, Quirk Leatherwood gets woooooozy, staggers, staggers, falls, dies.....

    NerdShep had used a snake poison filled hollerpoint bullet !!

    Anna and NerdShep live to live happily ever after !!!!!!

    All this epic heroic action took place in Arizoner, rat's country.

    If you take Anna and NerdShep out of it, one might even think of the whole as a tour through rat's mind.

    GREAT acting by Quirk..

    Who will soon be moving to Malibu on the coast, never to see Detroit again, his financial future and stardom now assured.



    Five Star Rating *****

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    1. I forgot to add NerdShep got the snake poison filled hollerpoint bullet from Cochise and the Injuns, the only civilized group in the whole epic.

      They liked NerdShep cause he could speak their lingo, and rewarded him with a sip from a cup of hallucinogens. He drank the whole cup, not knowing he was only to sip, which was meant for the whole tribe.

      Went for a hell of a ride.

      He had the courage to grip the Snake Handle, and walk through The Door of the Future.

      Would YOU have such courage?

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  41. I see rat is still insisting that the Alawites ain't muzzies.

    What a dumb fuck.

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    1. It is obvious that Bob cannot find a source that refutes Daniel Pipes

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    2. Your quote of Daniel Pipes is out of context.

      MY quotes of Daniel Pipes and his support of Israel and Jerusalem as it's capital? COMPLETE

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    3. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:06:00 PM EDT

      The report by Daniel Pipes has no references to Israel.
      The report is not about Israel
      Israel is not part of the Alawite story.

      Your hubris is extreme.

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    4. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:09:00 PM EDT

      Anyone that wishes to read the Daniel Pipes report is welcome to.

      Daniel Pipes reports on the Alawites

      http://www.danielpipes.org/191/the-alawi-capture-of-power-in-syria

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    5. SRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:06:00 PM EDT
      The report by Daniel Pipes has no references to Israel.
      The report is not about Israel
      Israel is not part of the Alawite story.

      Your hubris is extreme.

      No, your distortion and insanity is extreme.

      Go find a family and pretend to play Father for the night... I am sure there are some meth addicts that miss their daddy.... Go seek and find..

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    6. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:30:00 PM EDT


      ;-)

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  42. I provided you with a source or two months ago, dumb fuck.

    You go back and find it.

    I'm exhausted from the epic, am bored with your stupid topics, and am going to take a nap.

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    1. You did not exist two months ago.
      You are a new creation on the World Wide Web.

      Your lies have caught up with you.

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    2. I'll revise that statement ...
      Bob was not at the Elephant Bar, two months ago.

      Someone using the Name/URL Bob was, and that may not have been you.
      There is no evidence it was

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    3. If this is exhausting you, Bob, maybe you ought to give blogging up, or admit to the errors you have made and find solace in silence. Another option you could take another vacation, maybe head to the casino and bet your welfare check on bingo!

      If for a tranquil mind you seek,
      These things observe with care:
      Of whom you speak, to whom you speak,
      And how, and when and where.

      Anonymous

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    4. Rat is a liar.

      We all know it. He claims the AZ FBI had a good laugh about my criminal complaint about him, bragged about it here....

      Bragged about his connections that would tell him of an National Security Investigation of ME, transferred to the ATF he claims...

      Hmm... Is he lying about that? or is he breaking the law telling us about a leaker in the AZ FBI office?

      Liar or Criminal Rat/Jack is....

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    5. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:36:00 PM EDT

      There is no Rat ...

      He is a construct of your imagination.

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  43. Teresita

    There is evidence from Scripture that it takes both a body and the breath of air to make a living soul, so people can sincerely believe in God and at the same time take a hands-off (ie Libertarian) approach to women's reproductive rights.

    ----

    Bob and Rat:

    A penny for your thoughts.

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    1. There is no Rat, Doug

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    2. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 08:03:00 PM EDT

      It is interesting that just as Hamas and the Palestinian Authority joined in a civil government, three teenagers, one of which is a US citizen disappear in Israel. Supposedly after they are 'kidnapped', they were able to use their cell phone, to call the police. The police sat on the call.

      Then, after a couple of days, Bibi decides that the 'kidnapping' is politically motivated.Bibi orders the Army to begin to arrest Palestinians without charges, without evidence. But with surety that the arrests will derail the Palestinian Authority's attempt to unify the Palestinian people in a single civil government. The 'next step' to the Two State Solution, and Bibi and his Mossad operatives are hell bent to stop that political reconciliation in its tracks.

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  44. Rufus IISun Jun 15, 03:13:00 PM EDT
    It was my rifle, not my "gun." :)

    Below are my credentials, motherfucker. You get health care from VA so you too have the same sort of paperwork. Let's see yours, hero.

    It took 30 minutes to get mine here. You can have until close of business this Friday to produce your VA credentials. If you fail, you will prove yourself a lying piece of shit.

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/it8ljhn4v5rcxxl/AADWwiNa5xi6-yT8Udr01S8oa

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    1. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:43:00 PM EDT

      allen has produced another forgery, nothing new with that.
      He has forged posting, before.
      He has no credence, no standing.


      .

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    2. You're batting somewhere around 0 for 57, asshole. O. That's Zero. No Correct Answers regarding Marine Corps life, or Vietnam.

      Now, for some deranged reason, you think I'm going to provide you, and those like you, with even more information about my private life. You're Delusional.

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    3. But his buddy WiO don't care about stolen valor, no, the only important thing to him is fake lesbians, because it's like a robbery at his spank bank.

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    4. And, Bob will overlook anything from anyone as bigoted, and racist as himself.

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  45. As for the rest of you Mississippi cocksuckers, Blow Me!

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    1. ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDASun Jun 15, 07:43:00 PM EDT


      Boy, that's just plain rude.

      ;-)

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    2. The upside is, that's about the only sensible thing he's posted in his entire tenure. :) :)

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  46. Subject: D-Day Photos....

    ...then and now…..some amazing images

    After the first photo just click on the image to see the same camera's eye view but 70 years later

    http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/06/scenes-from-d-day-then-and-now/100752/

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