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Saturday, June 14, 2014

How do you say OOrah in Persian? - Iran is ready to assist the Iraqi government in its battle against extremist Sunni insurgents, President Hassan Rouhani has said.


PESHMERGA KICKING ASS:




Iraq: Kurdish Peshmerga move beyond Kirkuk city
Kurdistan Regional Government prepares for humanitarian crisis as Iraqi citizens flee in the face of ISIS advance

Erbil, Asharq Al-Awsat—Kurdish Peshmerga forces remained in complete control of Kirkuk on Friday, with local media reporting that Kurdish forces are moving beyond the city to contain Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighters.
In comments to Asharq Al-Awsat, Ministry of Peshmerga Affairs spokesman Halgurd Hikmet confirmed that Peshmerga forces have seized a number of Iraqi military bases in the oil-rich province. Peshmerga forces have also been deployed on the outskirts of the city of Kirkuk to fill the security vacuum left by fleeing Iraqi soldiers.
The Kurdistan Region Government (KRG) views Kirkuk as a historic part of Kurdistan, and the province has long been a source of contention between Erbil and Baghdad.
Peshmerga Ministry Secretary-General Lt. Gen. Jabbar Yawar issued a statement on Thursday evening in which he confirmed that Kurdish forces have moved beyond the city of Kirkuk. “Peshmerga are now present in Gwer and the areas surrounding the city of Kirkuk, including Tuz Khurmato and areas close to Hawija and Dibs.”
ISIS seized control of the cities of Jalula and Sadiyah, in the province of Diyala, overnight amid fears that the militant organization is seeking to march on the capital, Baghdad. But local media on Friday also reported that Peshmerga forces were present in Jalula, to the south of Kirkuk.
Iraq’s Alsumaria TV reported on Friday that a Peshmerga unit had been deployed to Jalula to help Iraqi security forces deal with the ISIS presence, with other Iraqi media also reporting that Peshmerga forces had clashed with ISIS fighters in the city.
In addition to providing military assistance to Baghdad, the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) has also sought to provide humanitarian assistance to Iraqis caught up in the crisis.
Yawar said the Kurdistan Region remains open to Iraqis fleeing the violence, adding that “the Peshmerga will help them in every way they can. In the meantime, security measures taken by Peshmerga forces will not cause conflict or disruption for citizens living in these areas.
“The KRG is currently a safe haven for approximately 250,000 Syrian refugees, as well as hundreds of thousands of internally-displaced people fleeing the violence in Mosul and elsewhere. We are doing our best to cope with this humanitarian emergency.”
On Thursday, Erbil announced the establishment of the Khazir refugee camp near the Kurdish capital to meet the needs of Iraqi civilians fleeing Nineveh province.
The refugee camp can accommodate up to a thousand families, a Kurdish official said, adding that the camp’s capacity is expected to grow as the refugee influx rises.
Speaking to Asharq Al-Awsat, Zarkar Mustafa a senior administrative official in the city of Khabat, 24 miles (40 kilometers) west of Erbil, said: “After large numbers of refugees poured into the region of Kurdistan, the KRG decided to set up camps for refugees from Mosul who cannot afford to live in Erbil.
“We set up this camp in cooperation with UN organizations and other international organizations. If the situation in Mosul continues to worsen, we will make other arrangements in this regard.”
The KRG has installed a makeshift hospital near the refugee camp, with mobile medical teams to provide refugees with medical aid.
Asharq Al-Awsat spoke to Saadiya Habib, who sought refuge in Kirkuk along with her ten-member family. She said: “We left Mosul yesterday. ISIS fighters entered our house and told us to leave immediately.”


Asharq Al-Awsat is the world’s premier pan-Arab daily newspaper, printed simultaneously each day on four continents in 14 cities. Launched in London in 1978, Asharq Al-Awsat has established itself as the decisive publication on pan-Arab and international affairs, offering its readers in-depth analysis and exclusive editorials, as well as the most comprehensive coverage of the entire Arab world.

166 comments:

  1. Bob,

    Did you pay attention last thread? Did you read what Allen wrote? I trust you understood it (I know, I know, that may be a bridge too far).

    Do you now have any doubt that non-Jews, say Palestinians living in Israel, might experience some discrimination? How do you think the Israelis treat non-Jews outside of Israel, in Gaza, or the West Bank say? Given the attitudes expressed by Allen don't you think that all these reports of discrimination might not be exaggerated?

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    1. I was unaware that the Palestinians or anyone on this site was Christian. If you are please acknowledge as much. If you are not simple minded Christians, then you have no beef.

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    1. It's all relative...

      Israel treats it's enemies far better than most nations treat it's own citizens.

      I know you folks expect Israel to be perfect and use standards ONLY FOR ISRAEL.

      Same pattern... Different day.

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    2. Well, WiO, at least you admit it and, I agree, the Arab states are even worse.

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    3. How did the Canadians treat the natives?

      How did Russia treat it's enemies and it's citizens.

      By any measure, Israel scores BETTER than almost anyone I can think of.

      Not America, Not Europe or China, Russia or ANY african or arab nation...

      So on the scoring side, israel gets an A+ Since there is NO perfection anywhere.

      Glad you agree on the excellence that is Jewish Nation State of Israel

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    4. Secular & Socialist state of Israel

      Is it just a co-incidence that the name 'Israel' incorporates three gods/goddesses, or is it the reason for the name Israel?

      sis [IS] was an Egyptian Throne Goddess
      Ra (sometimes spelled Rê) is the sun-god of Heliopolis in ancient Egypt.
      Ellil - "The Akkadian god of earth and wind.

      The Moses/Akhenaten monotheistic cult of Anton. The evidence mounts that the Hebrew God, is none other than Anton, reborn.

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    5. There is a long history of discrimination in many countries. Canada for example has tried to change implementing, for example, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Israel, on the other hand, has institutional discrimination (i.e. the housing authority) and wants to extend the State sanctioned discrimination with the Israel must be Jewish push now underway.

      On top of that you have the occupation of the territories where there are many bad things happening. Israel is very different then Canada. China and Russia, yep, some big time discrimination and chauvinism going on there.

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    6. Aso Ash, after Israel treats it's palestinians as the canadians treated the 1st nationer's we'd have parody.

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/what-canada-committed-against-first-nations-was-genocide-the-un-should-recognize-it/article14853747/

      Seems like you apply your post genocidal good intentions as the standard AFTER you mass murdered (and we do mean mass murdered) the indians....

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    7. Ash: Israel, on the other hand, has institutional discrimination (i.e. the housing authority) and wants to extend the State sanctioned discrimination with the Israel must be Jewish push now underway.


      DO you always create facts from your ass?

      Please be specific in your allegations as what you present is bullshit.

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  3. "Iraq’s disaster shows the folly of our meddling

    Michael Bell
    Special to The Globe and Mail
    Published Friday, Jun. 13 2014, 7:31 AM EDT

    Michael Bell has served as Canada’s ambassador to Jordan, to Egypt and to Israel.

    The events of the past several days in Iraq have been traumatic. Reports are confused, and events may be over-dramatized, but the fall to extremists of parts of Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, and Tikrit, the birthplace of Saddam Hussein, seems certain. The ideological and ethno-nationalist commitments of these militants, accompanied by massive desertions from the Iraqi armed forces, are stark indicators of the disaster of American neo-conservative intervention, so confidently asserted by the former Bush administration as a solution to Arab ills. If the lesson is learned, U.S. President Barack Obama will decline to lend air support to a bedraggled government in Baghdad, knowing the struggle is unwinnable.
    The American invasion of Iraq revealed the ineptitude of leading from the gut, whether based on imperial interest or neo-conservative belief, and ignoring evidence-driven reality. Despite continuing investment in the Iraqi military, the current fragmentation of Iraqi society and the irreversibility of conflict once the ethnic spectre is fully awoken begs the question of whether there is any alternative to authoritarian rule. Indeed, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is no democrat, although it is difficult, so far at least, to compare his brutality to that of his predecessor. The Prime Minister presides over a fractured state whose boundaries were drawn by the colonial powers during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919. These borders ignored ethnic and discordant belief systems of which Iraq is a prime example.

    The result was the emergence of brittle and artificial state entities (Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, in particular) where boundaries had little relationship to identity or community. These sovereign entities were overpowered by sub-state and supra-state loyalties, best illustrated by the Shia-Sunni divide stretching from Tehran to Beirut, where each viewed the other as heretical, and where relationships have long been based on dominance (Shiites most often oppressed), in search of a sustaining identity.

    Although the shattering of the state system by popular uprisings in Syria, for example, demonstrated the will of peoples to free themselves from arbitrary rule, they lacked the ability to achieve or sustain what they rightly viewed as freedom, justice and pluralism. It is important to remember that the great majority in Iraq – the dispossessed and intelligentsia alike – welcomed what seemed to be an American presence that would ultimately guarantee their dignity, just as those in Syria anticipated their own efforts would result in the overthrow of the Assad dynasty. All ended in failure, as I believe the Afghan intervention will, no matter how supporters of that enterprise try to justify their involvement through worthy, albeit unsustainable reforms.

    What can be done? The current chaos, while mutating, may continue into the foreseeable future with the outside world standing by unable to influence this Manichean struggle between absolutist values. Established states may become a series of homogeneous, medieval-like warring entities. Alternatively, autocrats may be able to reassert themselves, as in Egypt, replacing one regime with one more brutal still. A last, and sadly markedly less likely alternative, would be a gradual adoption of a rules-based system built on pluralism and justice by autocrats themselves as a tool to maintain their own legitimacy.


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    1. The accepted logic by reformers, both in the West and from the region, is that we remain committed to a progressive order promoting peace, freedom and prosperity, albeit conditioned by Middle Eastern norms. Although often unrecognized, efforts to promote shared values within what we deem less advanced societies can be labelled “cultural imperialism.” This does not invalidate the role of the West and some progress can be made. However, rejectionist attitudes remain a hard core reality, reinforced by the region’s long-standing authoritarian traditions, no matter how uncomfortable we may find them.

      If there is any hope for far-reaching transformative change it is with Tunisia. Despite its own repressive heritage, it has a tradition of relative openness to the West, a secular society, a progressive social regime, a solid economy, and a seemingly progressive Islamist-based government. It accordingly merits considerable time and investment from outsiders – a focused, internationally co-ordinated approach might just pay off. This does not negate, for instance, the need to support strategically placed and relatively benign Jordan, but there will be no “new world order” in the Hashemite kingdom.

      The challenge for policy-makers is to establish achievable goals, accepting the seemingly unending reality of Arab states beset with autocratic leaderships and riven societies. To articulate and channel political ambitions and create meaningful civil societies in this environment is no easy task. The continuing disaster in Iraq is an example par excellence.

      Michael Bell is an Aurea Foundation Fellow at the Transatlantic Academy of the German Marshall Fund in Washington.

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/iraqs-disaster-shows-the-folly-of-our-meddling/article19155314/#dashboard/follows/

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  4. If history has taught us anything, it is that there are no permanent enemies. If we could ally with the likes of Stalin, who killed millions, to stop Hitler, who killed slightly more millions, then allying with some 12th Imam-worshiping bozos who hang LGBTs from cranes and flog grandmothers should be a walk in the park.

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  5. Allen shocked and awed ol Bobbo big time.

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    1. I can't imagine why. It's been there, the whole time. :)

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    2. bob's just as bad, cloaking his racism in "culture," yada, yada.

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    3. All those meatballs and buxom blondes and hot tubs and Saab stories have made Bobbo a little soft in the head.

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  6. As for this phony,baloney bullshit in Iraq, with three or four thousand assholes in pickup trucks bringing the country to its knees - somebody's fucking with us. I can't wait to read the post-mordem on this.

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    1. Yawn, the sunni shia war and the beheadings are SOP.

      But let's focus on Israel and it's discrimination, that's really important...

      meanwhile the GOOD news? 500 thousand arabs murdered by arabs in the last 2 years alone, several million arabs homeless by arabs too.. Shh don't talk about that...

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    2. Operative word in "post-mortem" is mortem. I'll pop the corn.

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  7. .

    We catch glimpses of the 'real' Allen here occasionally, the whining, the overcompensation, the prejudices; but it is rare he let's the mask drop as completely as today.

    .

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    1. He lacks self-discipline.
      Which may be why they have him assigned to "Social Media" and not something, shall we say ...

      Important.

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    2. .

      His picayune whining doesn't bother me so much, overcompensation runs rampant in the insecure.

      What's bothers me is his constant harping about things he knows nothing about such as IQ. I recall once I mentioned I was of Polish heritage and Allen smirked and said, 'well, that explains it'. When in fact,

      National IQ Scores by Nation

      If you really look into the numbers on the Nobel Price, given the politics associated it and where those awarded the price actually earn them, you will find the same type of discrepancies. Sadly most don't.

      .

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    3. Like, ah, range safety officer. If the .208 don't fit you must eject it.

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    4. I do business with two factories in Poland and half of my employees speak Polish. Let the assholes smirk.

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    5. Hell, they gotta be genii just to be able to spell their names. :)

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    6. What is long and hard that a Polish bride gets on her wedding day?

      A new last name you dirty old man!

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    7. .

      T, at my age believe me I have heard them all.

      :)

      As for the names, before we changed ours, mine was so long I got carpal tunnel syndrome just signing papers in school.

      .

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    8. He's already reinvented himself —

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  8. Iraq crisis: Sunni caliphate has been bankrolled by Saudi Arabia
    Bush and Blair said Iraq was a war on Islamic fascism. They lost

    From Aleppo in northern Syria almost to the Iraqi-Iranian border, the jihadists of Isis and sundry other groupuscules paid by the Saudi Wahhabis – and by Kuwaiti oligarchs – now rule thousands of square miles.

    Apart from Saudi Arabia’s role in this catastrophe, what other stories are to be hidden from us in the coming days and weeks?

    The story of Iraq and the story of Syria are the same – politically, militarily and journalistically: two leaders, one Shia, the other Alawite, fighting for the existence of their regimes against the power of a growing Sunni Muslim international army.

    While the Americans support the wretched Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his elected Shia government in Iraq, the same Americans still demand the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad of Syria and his regime, even though both leaders are now brothers-in-arms against the victors of Mosul and Tikrit.

    The Croesus-like wealth of Qatar may soon be redirected away from the Muslim rebels of Syria and Iraq to the Assad regime, out of fear and deep hatred for its Sunni brothers in Saudi Arabia (which may invade Qatar if it becomes very angry).

    We all know of the “deep concern” of Washington and London at the territorial victories of the Islamists – and the utter destruction of all that America and Britain bled and died for in Iraq.

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    1. Remember that the Americans captured and recaptured Mosul to crush the power of Islamist fighters. They fought for Fallujah twice. And both cities have now been lost again to the Islamists. The armies of Bush and Blair have long gone home, declaring victory.

      Under Obama, Saudi Arabia will continue to be treated as a friendly “moderate” in the Arab world, even though its royal family is founded upon the Wahhabist convictions of the Sunni Islamists in Syria and Iraq – and even though millions of its dollars are arming those same fighters.

      Thus does Saudi power both feed the monster in the deserts of Syria and Iraq and cosy up to the Western powers that protect it.

      We should also remember that Maliki’s military attempts to retake Mosul are likely to be ferocious and bloody, just as Assad’s battles to retake cities have proved to be.

      The refugees fleeing Mosul are more frightened of Shia government revenge than they are of the Sunni jihadists who have captured their city.

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    2. They strapped dynamite to their babies, but now they're scairt of a few half-ton trucks with a machine gun mounted on them?

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  9. The Semites v the Persians, the age old story that allen told us, continues.

    Semites are Arabs, Persians are not.

    Tell us, allen, did you glance in that mirror, how goes Ishmael?

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    1. I thought u were an Arab

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    2. There Anonymous goes, proving once more that ...

      You can't fix stupid

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    3. Guess what they said was correct
      If he's thinking, he's wrong

      I'll go find his sign.

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    4. Wayne Gerard TrotmanSat Jun 14, 02:55:00 PM EDT


      Just by that remark, Anonymous illustrates the sad truth about bigotry.
      It is that most bigots either don't realize that they are bigots, or they convince themselves that their bigotry is perfectly justified.

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    5. Do not lean overmuch on your pedigree, for I tell you, God is able of these stones to raise up to himself children of Abraham.

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    6. Ishmael was born from a handmaidenSat Jun 14, 04:22:00 PM EDT

      But Jack, you argue like an arab, you lie like an arab and you hate Israel and the Jews like an arab...

      So it stands to reason you are an arab...

      Desert Rat... aka... Sand Rodent.

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    1. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/war-college-paper.pdf

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  11. "Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire, it has the power to unite people in a way that little else does. It speaks to youth in a language they understand."

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  12. UPDATES

    20.43 AFP are also reporting that the ISIS insurgency in Iraq could force Iran and the US to work together. Their take on the unlikely partnership is here:
    Shiite Iran offered Saturday to consider working with long-time foe Washington if it takes the lead in helping repel Sunni Arab militants who have seized a swathe of northern Iraq.
    The offer came as Iraqi commanders said soldiers had recaptured two towns north of Baghdad, thousands of volunteers answered a call to arms from top Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, and a US carrier group steamed into Gulf waters.
    Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki visited the besieged city of Samarra north of the capital Friday to rally troops and pray at the Al-Askari Shiite shrine, a revered site whose 2006 bombing by Al-Qaeda sparked a sectarian conflict that killed tens of thousands.
    President Barack Obama said he was "looking at all the options" to halt the offensive that has brought jihadist-led militants within 50 miles (80 kilometres) of Baghdad's city limits, but ruled out any return of US combat troops.
    “We will not be sending US troops back into combat in Iraq, but I have asked my national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support Iraqi security forces,” he said.

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  13. UPDATES

    TELEGRAPH - 19.24: Philip Sherwell, our chief US correspondent has been looking at the USS Bush deployment a bit more:
    The USS Bush carries two squadrons of about 48 F18 fighter jets that could conduct air strikes with just a few hours notice. Also on board are patrol helicopters and reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft and planes with electronic warfare capability.
    The F18s can each carry about 10,000 pounds of ordnance in a variety of bombs and missiles for air-to-ground and air-to-air operations. “The F18s could be used to conduct immediate strikes,” Dan Goure, vice-president of the Lexington Institute defence think-tank and a Pentagon consultant, tells The Telegraph.
    “They would have to fly up from the Gulf over much of Iraq to the north so they could not loiter too long, even with refuelling, but you could them up quickly for strikes as soon as the orders came.”
    He said the F18s would operate most effectively with US special forces teams deployed on the ground with targetters calling in strikes on ISIS targets. Pentagon planners believe that ISIS forces are currently extremely vulnerable as they advance in convoys down exposed highways between towns and cities.

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  14. BBC Preparing to fight: Richard Galpin in Baghdad

    A long line of pick-up trucks and cars sped through the streets of central Baghdad on Saturday filled with heavily armed men, a cacophony of blaring horns, sirens and pumping music heralding their arrival.

    It was evidence that the call to arms made on Friday by the most senior Shia religious leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, was being heeded in the capital as in other cities, particularly in the Shia-dominated south.

    The convoy was manned by members of a Shia militia called the Mahdi army. The militia has sprung back to life in recent days, after lying low following its notorious role in the sectarian conflict with the minority Sunni community which came to an end about six years ago.

    One cleric, sitting with a driver and bodyguard in an expensive four-by-four, said they were prepared to fight to the death and "splash their blood" to rid Iraq of the ISIS "terrorists".

    Other members of the militia said they would help defend Baghdad and head further north to bolster the regular army on the front lines in Diyala and Salahuddin provinces.

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  15. Iran’s role: Analysis from Kasra Naji, BBC Persian

    President Rouhani reassured Iranians that their young men would not be sent to Iraq - not yet, anyway. It is clear that his government is far from keen on putting boots on the ground in Iraq.

    But at the same time, Iraq is a neighbour and a pivotal ally. Iran has been working hard in the past 10 years or so to help put in place a pro-Tehran government in Baghdad. Any threat to the status quo will be a serious blow to these efforts.

    There are credible reports that the top commander of Iran's Quds Force, General Qassem Suleimani, is in Baghdad, helping to strengthen the defences of the capital and the northern holy city of Samarra, and organise and co-ordinate Iraqi Shia militia groups which are loyal to Iran.

    And a source in the Iraqi province of Diyala, neighbouring Iran, has told the BBC that more than 130 members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard have entered the province with the aim of providing military training and advice. The source - who said the Revolutionary Guards did not plan to get involved in fighting - also said Iran had put two divisions of its forces on alert along the border with Iraq.

    President Rouhani said he believed Iraq was capable of defending itself, but added that Iran was willing to co-operate with the US “to combat terrorism”. It will not be surprising if there are contacts between the two sides already, in spite of their decades of animosity.

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  16. Netanyahu must be having a major shit fit.

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    1. Unintended consequences can come to bite Bibi on the ass.

      Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

      “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran
      to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.


      Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.
      “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” Oren said in the interview.


      http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

      What the Israeli failed to realize, their priorities are not the same as the US.
      They have insulted US leaders, thinking they were immune from retaliation, and they are.
      But their proxies, are not immune..
      Their foreign policies are not immune.

      Payback's a Medivac.

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    2. The people of the US will cheer when Bibi's proxies take a Hellfire up the ass.
      Bibi will seethe, but not be able to say a word.

      Ambassador Oren was full of himself, full of hubris, in September of 2013.
      A decade and two years after the WTC fell the US is told ...
      ... the Israeli prefer al-Qaeda - fuck them, too.

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    3. Sport aka rat aka jack aka desert rat always cuts and pastes out of context statement.

      Nothing new here, just distortion and lies.

      The Shits verses the Suns.

      Sun Tzu said it best.

      The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
      Sun Tzu

      The Sunnis and the Shia are the enemy.

      Let them murder one another til the Deuce has a Bar Mitzvah.

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  17. If the US and Iran entered into a defacto alliance, in Iraq ...

    What an advance against the Evil Doers of the Middle East that would be.

    It would elevate Obama to the highest echelons of statesmanship
    Sanctify the reasons he was awarded the Prize in Stockholm.
    For the rest of days it would always be said ...

    He kept his eye on the Prize!

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    1. Sure, and maybe someone from the National Organization for Women can run pass interference on the Sunday morning shows in the Beltway.

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    2. Those showsare meaningless, Ms T.

      Look at all the impact those programs have had with the Administration in regards the IRS, NSA, VA, Benghazi, etc.

      The Administration will send out a sheep, to be slaughtered, then move on, as they have done in the past.
      No harm, No foul.

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  18. Speaking of shit birds
    BY ROBERT FISK – 13 JUNE 2014

    So after the grotesquerie of the Taliban and Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 suicide killers of 9/11, meet Saudi Arabia’s latest monstrous contribution to world history: the Islamist Sunni caliphate of Iraq and the Levant, conquerors of Mosul and Tikrit – and Raqqa in Syria – and possibly Baghdad, and the ultimate humiliators of Bush and Obama.

    From Aleppo in northern Syria almost to the Iraqi-Iranian border, the jihadists of Isis and sundry other groupuscules paid by the Saudi Wahhabis – and by Kuwaiti oligarchs – now rule thousands of square miles.

    Apart from Saudi Arabia’s role in this catastrophe, what other stories are to be hidden from us in the coming days and weeks?

    The story of Iraq and the story of Syria are the same – politically, militarily and journalistically: two leaders, one Shia, the other Alawite, fighting for the existence of their regimes against the power of a growing Sunni Muslim international army.

    While the Americans support the wretched Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his elected Shia government in Iraq, the same Americans still demand the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad of Syria and his regime, even though both leaders are now brothers-in-arms against the victors of Mosul and Tikrit.

    The Croesus-like wealth of Qatar may soon be redirected away from the Muslim rebels of Syria and Iraq to the Assad regime, out of fear and deep hatred for its Sunni brothers in Saudi Arabia (which may invade Qatar if it becomes very angry).

    We all know of the “deep concern” of Washington and London at the territorial victories of the Islamists – and the utter destruction of all that America and Britain bled and died for in Iraq. No one, however, will feel as much of this “deep concern” as Shia Iran and Assad of Syria and Maliki of Iraq, who must regard the news from Mosul and Tikrit as a political and military disaster. Just when Syrian military forces were winning the war for Assad, tens of thousands of Iraqi-based militants may now turn on the Damascus government, before or after they choose to advance on Baghdad.

    {...}

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    1. {...}
      No one will care now how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been slaughtered since 2003 because of the fantasies of Bush and Blair. These two men destroyed Saddam’s regime to make the world safe and declared that Iraq was part of a titanic battle against “Islamofascism”. Well, they lost.

      Remember that the Americans captured and recaptured Mosul to crush the power of Islamist fighters. They fought for Fallujah twice. And both cities have now been lost again to the Islamists. The armies of Bush and Blair have long gone home, declaring victory.

      Under Obama, Saudi Arabia will continue to be treated as a friendly “moderate” in the Arab world, even though its royal family is founded upon the Wahhabist convictions of the Sunni Islamists in Syria and Iraq – and even though millions of its dollars are arming those same fighters.

      Thus does Saudi power both feed the monster in the deserts of Syria and Iraq and cosy up to the Western powers that protect it.

      We should also remember that Maliki’s military attempts to retake Mosul are likely to be ferocious and bloody, just as Assad’s battles to retake cities have proved to be.

      The refugees fleeing Mosul are more frightened of Shia government revenge than they are of the Sunni jihadists who have captured their city.

      We will all be told to regard the new armed “caliphate” as a “terror nation”. Abu Mohamed al-Adnani, the Isis spokesman, is intelligent, warning against arrogance, talking of an advance on Baghdad when he may be thinking of Damascus. Isis is largely leaving the civilians of Mosul unharmed.

      Finally, we will be invited to regard the future as a sectarian war when it will be a war between Muslim sectarians and Muslim non-sectarians. The “terror” bit will be provided by the arms we send to all sides.

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    2. The only problem with your theory, Deuce, is that no one has been allowed to say the word "terror" in the West Wing for five years. And "militant nation" doesn't have the same cachet.

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    3. "‘When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
      ‘it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.'

      ‘The question is,' said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things."

      ‘The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master—that's all.'"

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    4. Stories happen in the mind of a reader, not among symbols printed on a page.

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    5. Exodus 28:40 And for Aaron's sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty.

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    6. How could we get some Commies into this thing?

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  19. The price of oil will stay high, the Saudi will be pleased.
    The ISIS will be decimated, Assad and al-Maliki will be pleased
    The Israeli, not so much.

    There will be smiles in the White House.

    “Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”
    ― Mao Tse-tung


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    1. The lessons learned in Libya, lost on most here, and on Bibi, as well.

      It does not take "Boots on the Ground"
      The US has quite a cadre of trained troops on the ground in Iraq.
      Wespent a decade and billions of dollars to suit them up.

      Do not think for a moment that they are not trained, not prepared to lock and load.
      They are waiting on the word.

      How better for al-Malaki to wreck havoc on the Sunni areas of Iraq, than in the same way that Assad has done so, in Syria.

      Oil prices stay high, the Saudi will be pleased, no matter how many Iraqi die to keep those prices up, up, up!

      Everybody wins, except for those hit by the bird shit, as the birds of a feather flock together.

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  20. I am pleased with my comments. Since Christianity was my target, none of the Bar's pagans should take offense. If you did, too bad.

    As for Ishmael, it was a question. The answer I believe is, "not well". Having only glanced at the news in passing, it certainly appears that they are doing what they do best: killing one another gruesomely, in large numbers. For those who sympathize with them, "Blow me!"

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    1. As to Iran, a glance at the demographics will show the country collapsing. Babies are not being born fast enough. This explains why the Iranian regime is making every effort to boast fertility rates.

      If you have a problem understanding the simple graph, find a Jew.

      :-)

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    2. Or find someone Chinese or Indian (sub-continental). They are not Kosher, but no one is perfect.

      :-)))

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    3. Cue another round of Desert Rat talking about the abortion rate in Israel...

      Delete

    4. allen took a quick glance in the mirror, and decided that Ismael did not so look healthy.

      All is well.

      Delete

    5. All our silences in the face of sectarian assault are acts of complicity.

      Delete

    6. “Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds ...
      We are destined to be a barrier against the returns of ignorance and barbarism."

      Delete
    7. Since you did not target ignoramuses, I was not offended.

      Delete
  21. It strikes me that a plurality of the "smiles" probably reside in the office of one Hassan Rouhani.

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    1. Hey, keep those 12 fingers crossed; there's no law against wishful thinking. You probably were doing that during the Embassy crisis, Hero.

      Delete
  22. Teresita RedingerSat Jun 14, 09:38:00 AM EDT
    While Christians settled disputes through trial by combat, Jews had courts of law and juries. Jewish law forbade trial by water and fire – evidence alone established guilt or innocence.

    Sure. Evidence, not superstition. So turn with me now, ladies and gentlemen, to that incredibly pro-Life, pro-Adoption, anti-Abortion law given in Numbers chapter 5.

    23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
    24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her.
    25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar.
    26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water.
    27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
    28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

    You quote from a Christian book, the seventh hand translation of a scroll you cannot read and which you claim to be wholly fictional.
    Doesn’t that strike you as a little weird?
    It strikes me as a lot stupid, and feminine in its desperation for attention.
    Or… … … Have you again joined the Little Sisters of Mercy and Red Hot Indulgences by the Dozen?

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  23. On topic: My Kurdish lads are not disappointing me. I remember when they were roundly mocked by the Mississippi Flash and "What's His Name". Some guys can be downright menopausal.

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    1. You don't remember me mocking the Kurds, you sad-sack, lower than whaleshit maggot. That never happened.

      btw, you deluded piece of shit, What was the Brand Name of the ear plugs you were issued at the Rifle Range?

      Delete
    2. :)

      Don't give it away. That question was designed to give us an hour's peace, while the google burns.

      Delete
    3. .

      Damn, Rufus, it worked.

      Your stock just went up.

      .

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    4. The next one's a doozy; it's about "water survival training."

      Delete
    5. Rufus,

      You used the term "Kurd Turds". Of course, you were trying to antagonize me at the time. I am sure you did not mean it. That especially true now that they are winning.

      Delete
    6. No, I didn't. Link it, or admit that you're full of shit one more time.

      Delete
    7. Earplugs are for Sissies.

      Delete
    8. Correct. So was eye protection.

      Delete

  24. From abortion to child prostitution, Ms T.

    "Spengler's Laws" so much more in keeping with the future of all Semite cultures.

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  25. Indeed the history and culture of the Semitic peoples is so much more interesting, so much more inhumane, than merely abortion.

    For anyone to claim the mantel of Semitic Culture as their own ...
    They must reside in a house of mirrors.

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  26. allen and the Israeli cohort have gone to such lengths to proclaim themselves Semitic, to deny their Europeon roots, that now they are wedded to the proposition.
    Even though the Ashkenazi are not a Semitic people, the Israeli contingent has denied the science, denied the DNA.
    They have clung to their myths of Middle Eastern origin, of being Egyptians..
    Well, so be it.

    Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

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  27. Having just learned my friend the noble Quick is a Pollack and assuming we Swedes surely must be brighter I was going to attack him by using the old joke of how do you catch a Polester when he is drinking water, by slamming the toilet seat his his head, but then I noticed we Ollies and Pollies are tied at 99 and caught myself in time.

    Looks like we both are ahead of those in Israel lagging back there at 95 I think it was. Of course it could be claimed that this score is diluted somewhat by the inclusion of the scores of the sons of Ishmael.

    Out of all this commentary, I learned something useful.......the Quirkster is Polish.

    I'll be damned.

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    1. I'm as American as Michelle Malkin.

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    2. :)

      The only difference between lovely and humorous you and the perfect Michelle is that she is bright on both sides of her brain while you are 1/2 bright 1/2 nitwit.

      ;)

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  28. Of course the Swedish score might also be deleted a bit by the inclusion of the recently arrived sons of Ishmael, and this cannot be said of Poland, which probably gives me a slight edge.

    But then, the Poles have shown more IQ in this matter, by keeping the savages out.

    It is a close question.

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  29. HEY LOOK AT THIS BREAKING NEWS !!!!!!!!

    (All politics begins and ends in Moscow, Idaho)



    Rand Paul Says Labrador Would Be "a Great Leader"

    By Kimberlee Kruesi - June 14, 2014



    MOSCOW, Idaho (AP) -- Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is offering words of support for Idaho Rep. Raul Labrador, who has announced a longshot bid to become U.S. House majority leader.

    Paul was the keynote speaker at Idaho's Republican Convention on Friday. The 2016 GOP presidential prospect was joined by Labrador and said, "I think Labrador would be a great leader."


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    Paul also spoke of the need for the various factions in the Republican Party to put aside their differences in the November election.

    Labrador announced his candidacy for the leadership position earlier Friday. House Republicans will be picking a new majority leader to succeed Rep. Eric Cantor, who was defeated this week in Virginia's GOP primary.

    California Rep. Kevin McCarthy is thought to be the front-runner to replace Cantor.



    Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/06/14/rand_paul_says_labrador_would_be_a_great_leader_122993.html#ixzz34fHxWYlx
    Follow us: @RCP_Articles on Twitter

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  30. Why just yesterday rat was denouncing Raul in the fiercest terms not knowing his very own Hero of the Libertarians thought the opposite....that Raul Labrador would make "a great leader'.

    If not for my doc's appointment and other necessities I surely would have gone to this event. The Huckster was here as well.

    #"Prostates Before Politics"

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  31. There was nothing posted by any 'rat'.
    You are a liar. Outright.

    Please post the time and place if you deny being a liar.
    Cut and paste to fulfill your charge.

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    1. Well Jack Hawkins then, if you like.

      Go back and look for yourself, rat.

      You are the liar.

      Delete
    2. Cut and paste it, to fulfill your claim.
      Bob is a liar, he has no honor, he lies

      There is no 'rat'

      Delete
    3. Not only is there no 'rat' - but nothing derogatory was written of your lap dog, Labrador.

      Jut that he is a hypocrite, that his position in the past does not match his position today
      That he announced would quit if there was a vote on a specific issue, immigration.
      Another man with no honor, one that would not fulfill his oath of office if he did not get his way.

      If you deny this, go cut and paste the quote.
      If you do not it is an admission that "Bob is a liar"

      Delete
  32. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/06/if_there_is_one_article_you_read_today_on_iraq.html

    Shows Netanyahu was right.

    Good article about a good article.

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    1. We are still on your lap dog, Labrador.

      Is this post an admission that Bob is a liar

      Delete
  33. It is interesting that the same foreigners in Australia that say that Jerusalem is not "Occupied" agree with President Obama on Climate Change.

    Two rights or two wrongs?

    U.S. President Barack Obama Saturday took aim at congressional Republicans and others who dispute climate change, as he issued a call to action on global warming during a commencement speech at the University of California, Irvine.

    The president told graduating students Saturday that Congress "is full of folks who stubbornly and automatically reject the scientific evidence."


    Not only Congress, but the Ashkenazi contingent at the Elephant Bar.

    ;-)

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  34. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10900355/Tony-Blair-the-whole-Middle-East-is-under-threat-but-it-is-not-our-fault.html
    “The point is we won’t win the fight until we accept the nature of it.”

    Point well taken and then scrupulously avoided. The West has waited for nearly thirteen (13) years for some sign of moderate Islam. It has waited in vain. Possibly, when the last country in Southwestern Asia is embroiled in chaos, Blair et al may finally be tempted to admit the obvious. If or when London takes a major hit, he may, at long last, see reality, but I doubt it. Blair strikes me as a man who will blabber on as his throat is being slit from ear to ear. He wants to make the world to sing in perfect harmony and, by god, nothing will dissuade him. Find a mirror, Mr. Blair, look at your reflection, and say, if you can, “I knew what I was doing.” The fact is: Mr. Blair is as dense now as he was when he signed on for George’s great adventure. George failed. Blair failed. Obama failed. It’s time for a change.

    As far as I am concerned, the more damage they (Muslims) inflict on each other is less they will be able to inflict on others (those poor devils in Nigeria should be so lucky). Pass out the shovels and start up the band. Devote Muslims believe they are undergoing a reformation of Islam. Peace is not the goal. They desire nothing so much as a return to the glory days of boundless Sharia. They will wait until hell freezes over. The likes of Bush, Blair, and Obama will pass into the ignominy they deserve. At some point, doubtless a perilous one, the West will find a warrior. That will be a dark day for Islam.


    “And the angel of the Lord said unto her: 'Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son; and thou shalt call his name Ishmael, because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
    And he shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren.'”

    And, yes, Abraham was a profoundly disturbed man, whose wife was a venomous princess.

    Those who would wish Iran well are fools.

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    1. He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious.


      Delete
    2. You have absolutely no clue as to what I am doing. Sun Tzu would.

      By the way, is that closet getting crowded?

      Delete
  35. http://blog.petflow.com/when-these-little-kids/

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  36. Well said up there at Sat Jun 14, 09:57:00 PM EDT, Allen.

    ...............

    While I voted for Raul Labrador I don't consider him my political hero. I don't have political heroes, except possibly Churchill. And yes I think I do know most all his faults and mistakes.

    ReplyDelete
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    1. Your opinion is not the issue, your lies are.

      Either cut and paste the proof of your claims or renounce them.
      Admit that what you said at Sat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT was not true.

      Delete
  37. Hugh Hewitt has a man-crush on ol' Raul.

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    1. 'ol' Raul' isn't quite accurate.

      He is a relatively young man.

      Delete
  38. And the world's most persecuted religious group is ---

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/war-christians_794945.html?nopager=1

    But not in Israel.

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    1. Your opinion is not the issue, your lies are.

      Either cut and paste the proof of your claims or renounce them.
      Admit that what you said at Sat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT was not true.

      Delete
    2. “Responsibility is a unique concept... You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you... If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else. Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible.”

      Delete
  39. I thought American Christians were the world's most persecuted religious group because all those same sex couples getting hitched are destroying their marriages.

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  40. STRESS MANAGEMENT

    Picture yourself near an Idaho stream.

    Birds are softly chirping in the crisp, cool Rocky Mountain air.

    No one but you knows your secret place.

    You are in total seclusion from that hectic place called "the world."

    The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a cascade of serenity.

    The water is crystal clear.

    You can easily make out the face of Farmer Bob as you're holding him under the water.

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    1. :)

      My new lawyer's secretary lived for a long time on Lake Chelan -

      pics here of Lake Chelan -

      http://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVifsFJ1T8msAAyIPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?_adv_prop=image&fr=yhs-aztec-default&va=Lake+chelan&hspart=aztec&hsimp=yhs-default

      She said the water was sooooo clear you could see the bottom way out.

      Delete

    2. Either cut and paste the proof of your claims or renounce them.
      Admit that what you said at Sat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT was not true.

      Delete
    3. I have a picture of myself at Lake Chelan, if I can find it. Stand by.

      Delete
    4. re: The Stream

      "Sometimes a Greater Notion"

      Delete
  41. All right, I'll step up for Bob. I know he's not engaging with a horse's ass like desert rat aka Jack 'Ass' Hawkins.

    And I'm tired of have the comments interrupted by rat's horse shit.

    Jack HawkinsFri Jun 13, 09:34:00 PM EDT
    Labrador, a politico that promises to quit if there is a vote

    Labrador, who worked as an immigration attorney before serving in Congress, was part of a bipartisan group in the House that was working on a reform bill. But Labrador famously quit the group because of a disagreement with its other members over whether to entitle undocumented immigrants to some form of healthcare.

    Labrador has not been shy about criticizing House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio, saying that he should step down if he allows a vote on an immigration bill this year.

    What a farce.


    Jack HawkinsFri Jun 13, 09:37:00 PM EDT
    Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID), who worked as an immigration attorney before entering politics, began the current session of Congress as one of the single most important players on the pro-reform side.

    After President Obama’s dominant performance with Latino voters in 2012, Labrador worked with a bipartisan group of eight House members on a comprehensive immigration bill. Their efforts were essentially the House version of the Senate’s bipartisan “Gang of Eight”, which produced a sweeping immigration bill that passed last year.

    Labrador’s popularity with the tea party lent irreplaceable credibility to the House’s immigration reform efforts in early 2013. He criticized Mitt Romney’s “self-deportation” policy and urged the party to take an active role in crafting a centrist alternative.

    “It’s one of the stumbling blocks that I see for some Republicans. They’re moderate on every other issue, and they think this is the one issue where they have to become conservatives,” he told the Washington Post in February of last year. “I feel the reverse.”

    Labrador favored some path to limited legal status for undocumented immigrants – a position most of his colleagues were reluctant to adopt – and said he was uncomfortable barring people from attaining citizenship through existing channels once they settled down.

    “We shouldn’t create a second class group that could never become citizens, but we should also not give them a special pathway that nobody can follow,” Labrador said in March 2013 in a panel discussion with several similarly conservative lawmakers.

    At one point, Labrador’s suggestion of legal status with no explicit ban on applying for green cards and eventual naturalization looked like a promising compromise.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/raul-labradors-complicated-history-immigration-reform

    Flip floppin' away ....


    Jack HawkinsFri Jun 13, 09:39:00 PM EDT
    Labrador favored some path to limited legal status for undocumented immigrants – a position most of his colleagues were reluctant to adopt – and said he was uncomfortable barring people from attaining citizenship through existing channels once they settled down.

    “We shouldn’t create a second class group that could never become citizens, but we should also not give them a special pathway that nobody can follow,”

    ReplyDelete
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    1. Without Bob's sign on, it does not count.
      Without an admission that what is written is not what was claimed ...
      It does not count.

      Delete
  42. Sorry for the doubling of the posts.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Without Bob's sign on, it does not count.
      Without an admission that what is written is not what was claimed ...
      It does not count.

      Delete
    2. Either cut and paste the proof of your claims or renounce them.
      Admit that what you said at Sat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT was not true.

      Delete

    3. Admit that what you said at Sat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT was not true.

      Delete
    4. Fuck you, Loser. Count to three and see which finger I have up. To help you, dimwit, you may start from either side. If you still have problems, ask a Jew for help. If you call him/her a "Kike", you will even get a demonstration.

      Delete
  43. Why thanks, Anon.

    I notice the crapper calls Ladrador a 'farce'.

    That is a fierce criticism if there ever was one.

    Labrador has been elected to the United States House of Representatives, a major accomplishment, and most people seem to genuinely like the guy.

    rat has never been elected to anything as far as I know and is universally disliked, the possible exception here being Deuce.

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    1. It's the quillotine for you, old man. Sorry, but the last was all caps; that means business. You are going to be so sorry. Just wait and see.

      :-)))

      Delete

    2. Admit that what you said at Sat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT was not true.

      Delete
  44. You're welcome Bob.

    Now back to our regular programing

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    1. Admit that what you said at Sat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT was not true.

      Delete
  45. Captain Bill McDonald - Texas RangerSun Jun 15, 12:11:00 AM EDT


    “No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps on a-comin'.”

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    1. You're cumin' alright. Do you ever consider how stupid you appear? Do you think anyone cares? Do you have a computer in your john?

      Delete
    2. https://www.google.com/search?q=photos+quasimodo+laughton&sa=X&espv=2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=RiCdU7DKFpTLsAT8ooDAAw&ved=0CCwQ7Ak&biw=1680&bih=917#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=m6AY9EfB9s4zWM%253A%3BGW25SeF33k2eHM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mikehillart.com%252Fimg%252Fi_h_4.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mikehillart.com%252Fgallery.html%3B600%3B800

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  46. Jack HawkinsFri Jun 13, 09:34:00 PM EDT
    Labrador, a politico that promises to quit if there is a vote

    Labrador, who worked as an immigration attorney before serving in Congress, was part of a bipartisan group in the House that was working on a reform bill. But Labrador famously quit the group because of a disagreement with its other members over whether to entitle undocumented immigrants to some form of healthcare.

    Labrador has not been shy about criticizing House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio, saying that he should step down if he allows a vote on an immigration bill this year.

    What a farce.


    Jack HawkinsFri Jun 13, 09:37:00 PM EDT
    Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID), who worked as an immigration attorney before entering politics, began the current session of Congress as one of the single most important players on the pro-reform side.

    After President Obama’s dominant performance with Latino voters in 2012, Labrador worked with a bipartisan group of eight House members on a comprehensive immigration bill. Their efforts were essentially the House version of the Senate’s bipartisan “Gang of Eight”, which produced a sweeping immigration bill that passed last year.

    Labrador’s popularity with the tea party lent irreplaceable credibility to the House’s immigration reform efforts in early 2013. He criticized Mitt Romney’s “self-deportation” policy and urged the party to take an active role in crafting a centrist alternative.

    “It’s one of the stumbling blocks that I see for some Republicans. They’re moderate on every other issue, and they think this is the one issue where they have to become conservatives,” he told the Washington Post in February of last year. “I feel the reverse.”

    Labrador favored some path to limited legal status for undocumented immigrants – a position most of his colleagues were reluctant to adopt – and said he was uncomfortable barring people from attaining citizenship through existing channels once they settled down.

    “We shouldn’t create a second class group that could never become citizens, but we should also not give them a special pathway that nobody can follow,” Labrador said in March 2013 in a panel discussion with several similarly conservative lawmakers.

    At one point, Labrador’s suggestion of legal status with no explicit ban on applying for green cards and eventual naturalization looked like a promising compromise.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/raul-labradors-complicated-history-immigration-reform

    Flip floppin' away ....


    Jack HawkinsFri Jun 13, 09:39:00 PM EDT
    Labrador favored some path to limited legal status for undocumented immigrants – a position most of his colleagues were reluctant to adopt – and said he was uncomfortable barring people from attaining citizenship through existing channels once they settled down.

    “We shouldn’t create a second class group that could never become citizens, but we should also not give them a special pathway that nobody can follow,”

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  47. BobSat Jun 14, 09:10:00 PM EDT

    Why just yesterday rat was denouncing Raul in the fiercest terms not knowing his very own Hero of the Libertarians thought the opposite....that Raul Labrador would make "a great leader'.

    If not for my doc's appointment and other necessities I surely would have gone to this event. The Huckster was here as well.

    #"Prostates Before Politics"


    The lies are as follow and wil not be ignored ...
    ... rat ...
    ... fiercest terms ...
    ... his very own Hero ...


    Bob is a liar

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  48. Give it up, ratto.

    No one gives a fuck about your bullshit.

    I ask Deuce to put an end to this disrupting of threads buy deleting some of his repetitious comments

    ReplyDelete
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    1. “Never ruin an apology with an excuse.”

      ― Benjamin Franklin

      Delete
  49. “Never ruin an apology with an excuse.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin

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  50. I ask Bob to end this with an admission that he dd not tell the truth.

    ReplyDelete
  51. Obama letting Mexican gang members into the US -

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/14/border-agents-lament-mexican-gang-members-entering/

    From the headline on Drudge.

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    1. We are still on your lap dog, Labrador.

      Is this post an admission that Bob is a liar

      Delete
    2. Bob, you brough up the subject of Mr Labrador, you made statements that were demonstratably false and misleading.
      You can admit it, or face the consequences, the continual reminder that you do not tell the truth, here at the Elehant ar.
      Thesituation would easily remedy itself, if only you could admt that you used hyperbole and eagerration in you missive.
      But that window of opportunity is quickly closing.
      The people that think you suffer from "Stockholm Syndrome" will soon come to the realization that their prognostication is incorrect, that you are just the lying bigoted pig I know you to be.

      Delete
    3. For the love of the Christian god, please close the window. If it is a casement window, please put your head outside before fully tightening the crank.

      Delete
  52. Bob,

    Hang in there. He is trying to kill you through boredom.

    A friend of mine up your way reports that wolves are being killed.

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    1. :)

      Yes, they are. They are so out of control here in Idaho now that anyone can shoot them on sight, day or night 24/7/12.

      My new lawyer's secretary, who lives out my way, and is an outdoor gal, she, her husband and I are going to set up some cameras out there a little later this summer. I am researching trail cams and video cams now. She and her husband have two of the four wheel drive buggies, you know the kind, can't think what they call them now. I don't even have a pickup these days, so with their help we have easy access to all the parts of the place. We are teaming up.

      If we do get some pics or video of some wolves I make a sacred promise to post them here. Hopefully a dead one !! With me struggling to hold the beast up, in honor of Deuce's old faux picture of me doing the same on a thread long ago.

      Hah Deuce, take that !!!!!

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    2. If we really want to finally rid ourselves of these ravenous beasts, which were never native here, but another type of wolf, much larger, we may end up going back to the animal carcass Strychnine laced method which I have long advocated but so offended the delicate sensibilities of my Detroit friend Quirk. Everyone has delicate sensibilities in Detroit.

      Though shooting in the name of the good, the true and the beautiful is more fun.

      ;)

      It may come to that, the poison method.

      The ancestors knew !

      My friend Wayne's death count is now up to 5 cattle and 2 horses. He is losing patience.

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  53. Bob, you brought up the subject of Mr Labrador, you made statements that were demonstrably false and misleading.
    You can admit it, or face the consequences, the continual reminder that you do not tell the truth, here at the Elephant Bar.
    The situation would easily remedy itself, if only you could admit that you used hyperbole and exaggeration in you missive.
    But that window of opportunity is quickly closing.
    The people that think you suffer from "Stockholm Syndrome" will soon come to the realization that their prognostication is incorrect, that you are just the lying bigoted pig I know you to be.

    Sorry about the poor editing, living in this first draft world, it's complicated....

    ;-)

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    1. Thank you for correcting your post. It comes as such a relief.

      Delete
    2. I knew that you, of all people, would appreciate that.

      Delete
    3. There's no way you can keep this up all night. It's just not humanly possible. On the other hand, a real cowboy would keep shooting no matter what. Are you a real cowboy? Chuck Norris might be reading.

      Delete
    4. Bob is a liarSun Jun 15, 12:53:00 AM EDT
      I knew that you, of all people, would appreciate that.

      You bet...right from the bottom of my black Jewish heart...

      Delete
    5. Tonight, tomorrow, makes no difference.
      Could go for weeks with this campaign, if needed.
      The Elephant Bar could close tomorrow, too.

      Soldier on, regardless.
      Bob can end it, whenever he wishes, a simple admission of error, of over enthusiasm, of hyperbole, and it'd b over.
      But, short of that, keep on keepin' on.

      It's entertaining, and it certainly annoys him, and you.
      Makes it worth while, I really dislike self-righteous bigots.
      Both of you two qualify.



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    6. Oh, no, it does not annoy me. I am more entertained than you could possibly know. Science is fun, although the rats are not always pleased.

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