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Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Keeping the Home Fires Burning.


Illegals light border fires to sidetrack U.S. agents
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 19, 2007

U.S. Border Patrol agents seeking to secure the nation's border in some of the country's most pristine national forests are being targeted by illegal aliens, who are using intentionally set fires to burn agents out of observation posts and patrol routes.
The wildfires have destroyed valuable natural and cultural resources in the National Forest System and pose an ongoing threat to visitors, residents and responding firefighters, according to federal law-enforcement authorities and others.
In the Coronado National Forest in Arizona, with 60 miles of land along the U.S.-Mexico border, U.S. Forest Service firefighters sent in to battle fires or clear wild-land fire areas are required to be escorted by armed law-enforcement officers.
Armed smugglers of aliens and drugs have walked through the middle of active firefighting operations, the authorities said.


More here.

55 comments:

  1. Does this mean the first dude who loses his house and family to a fire set by illegals can sue the government for failing to build the fence congress funded and Bush signed? At some point the environmental negatives alone are going to outweigh in the minds of the voters whatever propaganda is aired by the open borders crowd. A lot of people are moving from the rust belt and the northeast to the sun belt. When their property values start to go to shi'ite maybe homeowners there will vote for change.

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  2. No, it does not.

    Fire is an inalienable right, when it's cold, but it's 110 degrees in the shade, today.

    The people are still coming, from the north and the south. It's wonderful, for property values.

    Those rust belters just need to learn to speak a little spanish.
    Nothin' but a thing.

    FOX had a segment concerning US farmers moving to Mexico, to farm there, where there is legal labor.

    It is beginning, the blending.

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  3. These people seem pretty determined and the incentives for their success pretty high. Do you think a fence will do much in the way of keeping them out?

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  4. Yes, ash.

    A patroled fence would stop the majority of the migration. Especially if after the migration slowed to a trickle, the US developed a guest worker program.

    Without the fence, there will be no benefit to jumping through the hoops that legal entry requires.

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  5. Ask the Israelis if fences work.

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  6. It seems to me that the patrols are what would make the difference as opposed to the fence. Patrolling that border would require quite a lot of man power and budget would it not?

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  7. from wiki re the Israeli barrier:

    "The Israeli West Bank barrier is a physical barrier being constructed by Israel consisting of a network of fences with vehicle-barrier trenches surrounded by an on average 60 meters wide exclusion area (90%) and up to 8 meters high concrete walls (10%).[2] It is located mainly within the West Bank, partly along the 1949 Armistice line, or "Green Line" between the West Bank and Israel. As of April 2006 the length of the barrier as approved by the Israeli government is 703 kilometers (436 miles) long. Approximately 58.04% has been constructed, 8.96% is under construction, and construction has not yet begun on 33% of the barrier.[3]"

    snip

    Structure

    Most of the barrier (over 95% of total length) consists of a "multi-layered fence system" [25] ideally 50 m in width. The IDF's preferred design has three fences, with pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire for the two outer fences and a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle. Patrol roads are provided on both sides of the middle fence, an anti-vehicle ditch is located on the West Bank side of the fence, and a smooth dirt strip on the Israeli side for "intrusion tracking".

    Some sections (less than 5% of total length) are constructed as a wall made up of concrete slabs up to 8 m in height and 3 m in width. Occasionally, due to topographic conditions other sections of the barrier will reach up to 100 m in width.[26] Wall construction (5%) is more common in urban settings, such as areas near Qalqilyah and Jerusalem, because it is narrower, requires less land, and provides more protection against snipers. In all cases there are regular observation posts, automated sensing devices and other apparatus. Gates at various points are controlled by Israeli soldiers."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

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  8. The US Border is, according to wiki, 1951 miles. Pretty massive undertaking sealing this thing it seems. Tax increases? Bigger government? Is that the republican way?

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  9. Look a good double fence will slow down a team of Seals; it will damned near stop your average group of future gangbangers, and dishwashers.

    It, also, clears the field of vision for cameras, etc.

    Now, you have a lot fewer people, moving a whole lot slower, and more visible. There's a reason why the open borders kids are so dead set against a fence.

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  10. Minor expense, compared to other National Security expeditures.

    Even at a million a mile, only 2 billion dollars.

    A week of Iraqi efforts.

    Spare change in the US budget.

    Money is not the issue.

    As to the manpower, the US has plenty. Over 1.5 million men and women in uniform.

    Already budgeted and paid for, to defend the country's security.

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  11. The location of US military bases, in AZ, at Yuma and Sierra Vista.

    In Texas, at El Paso

    In California, at Oceanside and San Diego.

    All along the border, for a reason. Makes deployment along the frontier easily supported.

    Secure the border, it is more than doable. Not an impossible mission.

    Decide ppolitically how many non US citizens we wish to invite into the party.

    Panama demands investments of a minimum of $40,000 USD for a residency visa, leading to citizenship.

    Costa Rica, a $100,000 fee.

    The US contemplates a $5,000 penalty to those currently here.
    Peanut dough.

    Auctioned on EBay, bet we could sell 100,000 Green Cards for $100,000 a piece. Based upon demand.

    More than pay for the fence and enforcement, if that's an issue

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  12. Panama
    Option A
    Panama Reforestation Visa Program
    $40,000 Investment – Permanent Residency leading to Panama Passport

    Summary – This is a unique program where one invests $40,000 in an approved Panama reforestation program. This allows the investor to obtain a Visa for themselves and their spouse as well as dependent children; no additional investment is required for dependents. This is the least expensive legitimate residency program we are aware of. The Visas are renewable annually and after either one or five years they become permanent residency Visas allowing the investor and their dependents to reside in Panama permanently and also to work in Panama. After five years one can apply for citizenship. This is an extremely inexpensive way to obtain a Panama residency and eventually a citizenship with Panama passport which is good for visa free travel in most of the western EU and throughout most of Latin and South America. The reforestation program is a statutory program written down as law.


    Panama Option B
    Small Business Investor Visa (Inversionista de Pequeña Empresa)
    Designed for those who wish to establish a small business in Panama (note that retail businesses and some professions are reserved to Panamanians). There must be a minimum investment of $40,000 and minimum of three permanent Panamanian employees hired. It is granted provisionally for one year, and needs to be renewed three more times before it is granted permanently with the right to a cedula. Five years after obtaining the permanent visa, holders will be eligible to obtain Panamanian nationality and passport.

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  13. Sean Hannity has Tony Snow on the program and Tony is doing his best to "snow" us regarding the required "comprehensive" plan. Sean is trying to tell him that we simply want the border secured under under existing law. Tony said "no, it can't be done."

    Basically, Sean is telling Tony that we simply don't trust them and Tony is refusing to hear that.

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  14. If we cannot secure the border now, how could we secure it, later?

    Liars, plain and simple.

    On every security issue of substance.

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  15. I wanted to tell Tony Snow.

    WE DON'T TRUST YOU!

    DON'T YOU GET IT?

    HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT IT?

    SECURE THE BORDERS AND THEN WE WILL TALK

    CAPICHE?

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  16. Do these arrogant morons have any idea what they have done? At a time when they need our support more than ever, they have lost the faith and confidence of their own people.

    Do they have any idea what the consequences will be or they think they are beyond reproach?

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  17. John McCain's falling poll numbers should give them a clue.

    Brit Hume just reported that Mayor Bloomberg has changed his party affiliation from Republican to "unaffiliated." Last in, first out.

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  18. The Truth Hurts:
    Please Refrain from uttering it!
    ---
    Panama Ed said...

    ""All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world.
    It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."
    "

    President George W. Bush

    desert rat said...

    ""Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans.
    Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others.
    Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America.
    "

    Remarks by President George W. Bush
    6/19/2007 02:16:00 PM

    PeterBoston said...
    "I think there's an Ankle Biter in the house."

    6/19/2007 02:34:00 PM

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  19. I think it is about time for us to simply admit that Ted and George and John are acting from the highest moral principles, whereas we loud, racist, exclusionist,
    "Border Security Firsters"
    are vile scum for advocating the rule of law.

    Once we have law crafted by Ted, John, La Raza, GWB, MECHA, The Ford Foundation, the Mexican Govt. and etc, well now THAT will be the appropriate time to START advocating the rule of law.

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  20. That was inspired by some "Goldwater Guy" making the rounds just DRIPPING with condescension for us racist bigots who dare to disagree with the Purity of the law crafted in league with La Raza, MECHA, and Ted Kennedy!

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  21. I turn the radio off now at the sound of his voice to avoid destructive behavior.

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  22. Doug, who are talking about? McCain?

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  23. Whit:
    Laura Ingrahams Response to Tony Snow:

    "Nobody believes you, Tony! "


    Due to the higher Moral Plain GWB inhabits, these protestations are like a bubbling brook.

    They serve to increase his self-satisfied equanimity, securing further his superiority.

    Lying Fucking Traitorous Scumbag!

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  24. No, the "Goldwater Guy" making the rounds:
    I'll get his name sometime.

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  25. Laura's Show today:

    "Debate over whether the GOP's future lies with the Hispanic vote between

    Clint Bolick, director of the Goldwater Institute Center for Constitutional Litigation

    and Heather MacDonald of The Manhattan Institute"

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  26. He was on Medved too:
    Two INSULTING, Condescending Dickheads was just too much to take.

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  27. "America rejects bigotry. We reject every act of hatred against people of Arab background or Muslim faith America values and welcomes peaceful people of all faiths -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu and many others. Every faith is practiced and protected here, because we are one country. Every immigrant can be fully and equally American because we're one country. Race and color should not divide us, because America is one country."

    President George W. Bush

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  28. Ash,
    Duncan Hunter and the rest of the People of San Diego KNOW the fence works, because Duncan got it built there!
    Illegals now go to AZ, and crime is WAY down.

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  29. Music to my ears, 'Rat:
    I only wish I was so pure, high, and mighty.

    Need a good Puke thinking about that shit.

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  30. If nothing else, GWB has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is the elitist's elitist.
    Token recognition only for us Plebes.

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  31. "When it comes to the common rights and needs of men and women, there is no clash of civilizations. The requirements of freedom apply fully to Africa and Latin America and the entire Islamic world. The peoples of the Islamic nations want and deserve the same freedoms and opportunities as people in every nation."

    Remarks by the President George W. Bush

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  32. Token recognition
    ...with HEAPS of Scorn and Condescension.

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  33. "Family Values don't Stop at the Border"

    (and neither does anything else)

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  34. He's worse than Maya Angelou!

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  35. Should have a video of his shit coming out of HER mouth!

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  36. Every immigrant can be fully and equally American because we're one country. Race and color should not divide us, because America is one country."

    President George W. Bush


    And some of you all may have thought I was exagerating, to make a point.
    No, I was not.
    Some thought me cynical
    No, I was not.

    Read the words, believe.
    That's all that is required, to know the truth.

    Mr Bush does not lie, doug.
    Folks just do not listen.

    Projection is the word, been seeing it, with regards Mr Bush for years now, to varied degrees.

    Eventually people can learn to believe what he says. That's why he is at 28% popularity.

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  37. Glenn Beck on TV now) nails it on "why there will never be peace in the middle east." Because one side doesn't want it.

    Later his guest will be Toby Keith who was very interesting on the radio today.

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  38. He lies about being serious about Border and Workplace Enforcement!

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  39. Lott and W were both Cheerleaders, I think.

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  40. George is now the Head Cheerleader for a Border Free America.

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  41. "We don't need no stinking Borders!

    WE ARE THE (one) WORLD!
    "

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  42. Never read Mr Bush on those subjects, doug.

    He does not say much about it.
    His minions do, but he does not.

    That's part of his hypocrisy, but not exactly a lie.

    He speaks of "big" issues, like saving souls.

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  43. He said the National Guard would support the Border Patrol, they did, for a year.

    Now cutting back by almost half, with little or no fanfare. I'd not know, if my Governor had not mentioned it. No one else has.

    She's many things, the Governor, but basicly truthful.

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  44. Token Raids,
    Token Temporary Enforcement:

    Trust Us!

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  45. The most interesting part of the raids was first mentioned here by Bobal:

    Always plenty of citizens to take the jobs.
    Token Raids do prove that to be true.

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  46. Symmetry at home and abroad:

    In Iraq we fight and die for catch and release.

    On the Border, we hire new agents while putting those who take their jobs seriously in Jail.

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  47. Just like in Iraq, doug.
    Mr West laid it out.
    For every detained Iraqi
    50% out in 18 hours.
    Some unkown % released in further reviews and processing.
    Those remaining go in front of an Iraqi judge.
    50% released there.

    So, of the 72 Iraqi detaineed during the "Push" of the last two days, 36 will be released by tomorrow.

    Another 10 or so released moving up the chain.
    26 may see the Judge, 13 will released, the balance, 13 will held for 8 months or so, on average.

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  48. "Lying Fucking Traitorous Scumbag!"

    Don't hold back, Doug. Not good to keep it bottled up.



    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army is considering whether it would have to extend the combat tours of troops in Iraq if President Bush opts to maintain a recent build up of forces through spring 2008.

    Acting Army Secretary Pete Geren testified Tuesday that the service is reviewing other options, including relying more heavily on Army reservists or Navy and Air Force personnel, so as not to put more pressure on an already thinly stretched active-duty force.

    Most soldiers spend 15 months in combat with a guaranteed 12 months home, a rotation plan that already has infuriated Democrats because it exceeds the service's goal of giving troops equal time home as in combat. In coming weeks, the Senate will vote on a proposal by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., that would restrict deployments.

    "It's too early to look into the next year, but for the Army we have to begin to plan," Geren told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "We have to look into our options."

    ********************************

    "Considering whether"?

    That's one way of putting it.

    "Sure as the sun will rise" is another.

    "BOHICA" is another.

    18-month deployment, here we come.

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  49. Glenn Beck had a ABC video clip of a Suicide Martyr Class Graduation Ceremony thought to have been held in Pakistan. Beck asked the obvious question, "Why didn't we nail them then and there?"

    That's a good question.

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  50. Beck asked the obvious question, "Why didn't we nail them then and there?"

    - whit

    I answered much the same question for Doug.

    Agreement between Musharraf and the admin.

    We can barely get a green light as it is for one shot, one guy.

    If the Pakistanis don't do it, it's not going to be done.

    Or, to put it another way, until and unless they cross into an area where we can act, it's not going to be done.

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  51. The 22 Ammendments making up Harry Reid's Clay Pigeon Plan are starting to leak out, according to Hewitt.

    Secrecy remains the order of the day.

    Don't want to let them Racists get riled up with the facts.

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