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Monday, June 25, 2007

Counting Cloture

WE WILL CONTINUE POSTING BELOW.
BUT UNTIL THE VOTE THIS WILL REMAIN ON TOP.

Per Doug's request: Gordon Smith Is A "No" on Cloture [Kathryn Jean Lopez] 06/22 08:22 PM --- A Vote for Cloture Is a Vote for Amnesty [Mark Krikorian] Since Kathryn is now the official whip for the anti-amnesty forces, does anyone know what Dr. Barrasso, Wyoming's new senator, has said on immigration? Did it come up during his primary race in 1996? Here's the latest I have, from Numbers USA. Since Tuesday's cloture motion (to bring the amnesty back up for debate) needs 60 votes to succeed, that means 41 senators either have to vote No or just be absent. There are 32 pretty solid No votes for cloture and, assuming Fredo doesn't go and drag Sen. Johnson in from his sickbed, that's 33 against. The solid No votes on cloture are Alexander (R-Tenn.), Allard (R-Colo.), Baucus (D-Mont.), Byrd (D-W.Va.), Bunning (R-Ky.), Chambliss (R-Ga.), Coburn (R-Okla.), Corker (R-Tenn.), Cornyn (R-Texas), Crapo (R-Idaho), DeMint (R-S.C.), Dole (R-N.C.), Dorgan (D-N.D.), Enzi (R-Wyo.), Grassley (R-Iowa), Hutchison (R-Texas), Inhofe (R-Okla.), Isakson (R-Ga.), Landrieu (D-La.), McCaskill (D-Mo.), Pryor (D-Ark.), Roberts (R-Kan.), Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), Sanders (I-Vt.), Sessions (R-Ala.), Shelby (R-Ala.), Smith (R-Ore.), Stabenow (D-Mich.), Sununu (R-N.H.), Tester (D-Mont.), Thune (R-S.D.), Vitter (R-La.). That leaves eight votes to get to 41. The following 12 senators are leaning against the bill itself but so far are leaning toward the cloture motion — which means, in reality, that they would be helping pass the amnesty, because if the bill comes to a final vote, it will pass. These are the Senators whose decisions will likely determine whether the amnesty passes or not: Bond (R-Mo.), Bingaman (D-N.M.), Burr (R-N.C.), Boxer (D-Calif.), Cochran (R-Miss.), Conrad (D-N.D.), Ensign (R-Nev.), Levin (D-Mich.), Gregg (R-N.H.), Nelson (D-Neb.), Hatch (R-Utah), Webb (D-Va.).

39 comments:

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    Is "Cloture" some kind of milk/fungal byproduct?

    Best served over Clay Pigeons.

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  2. SnaggleTooth Vs Shamnesty
    Immigration Opponents are "snaggle people,"
    Even liberal writer Nicholas Von Hoffman noticed:

    The other day The New York Times did a piece on the grass-roots opponents of the great compromise immigration bill. The accompanying photos showed a bunch of snaggletoothed retards living in trailers on the outskirts of town near the dump.
    Thus the message is conveyed that if you want to identify yourself with right-thinking mainstreamers, you will be in favor of this bill. Episcopalians are, Harvard-educated reform Jews are, Roman Catholics who favor a woman’s right to choose are, so get with the respectables and let your legislator know you love this bill.

    Amusingly (and ironically -- mostly), he then begins referring to immigration opponents as "snaggle people," lampooning the NYT's editorial position.

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  3. Von Hoffman Link above:

    "As we all know by now, the first great stumbling block is what the bill’s opponents call amnesty.

    They cannot stomach the thought that if enough people enter the country illegally there is not a goddamn thing you can do about it but give them and all their relatives and their relatives’ relatives citizenship.

    For many it is the pluperfect example of public impotence.

    It drives some people wild that, for whatever motive, a person can waltz into the country in violation of our laws, squat long enough and then have the cheek to declare that he has a right to citizenship."

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  4. Gingrich’s first scheduled national workshop, deemed “Solutions Day,” will be held on Thursday, September 27th – which, not coincidentally, happens to be the 13th anniversary of the Contract with America. On that day, folks around the country will gather in homes and town halls to listen to possible solutions to some of America’s most vexing problems…and then receive “marching orders” for how to effect change and implement those solutions.

    If you’d like to be part of the solution and not the problem; if you’d like to “get in the game” and not just sit in the peanut gallery and heckle from the stands, you just might want to consider signing up to participate in Newt’s “Solutions Day” this September. To do so, just surf on over to www.americansolutions.com and click on the “Join the Movement” button.

    Although it seems more and more unlikely that Gingrich will throw his hat into the presidential ring this fall, his American Solutions brushfire movement has the potential to dramatically change the public policy debate in that race even if he’s not in it officially. That would be real political change.


    Real Change

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  5. Crossing the line to learn
    Students who live in Mexico routinely attend public school in the U.S. In Arizona, one district is cracking down.
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    "The whole thing's outrageous. We're not the school district for northern Mexico," said state Rep. Russell K. Pearce.

    Two years ago, the state superintendent, fed up with the practice, hired a private investigator to videotape schoolchildren coming from Mexico. At an Arizona border town with a population of 65, a school bus regularly picked up 85 students at the crossing.

    Amid the resulting publicity, that school district stopped the pickups, but it's unclear whether any other districts changed their policies.

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    Villarreal said it was also important to follow the law. The people who pay U.S. rents and taxes, he said, are the ones who deserve the benefits of the school system.

    A couple of nights earlier, he had knocked on the door of the address one student crossing from Mexico had given him. The child's mother, Marta Andrade, answered, confirmed her residency and told Villarreal she was glad he had checked.

    "I like that you do this," she told him.

    Andrade, 47, described how she rose at 3 a.m. to take the two-hour trip to a remote field, where she worked all day to pay rent and ensure a legal education for her 16-year-old daughter. It would have been easier to stay in Mexico, work less and cheat, but Andrade only has contempt for people who do that.

    "Coming here is a sacrifice," she said. "They should have to do what I do."

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  7. From the NYTimes, who seem to be enjoying the current GOP meltdown.

    In 2003 the Congress was on the verge of limiting any company from owning local television stations that reached more than 35 percent of American homes. Mr. Murdoch’s Fox stations reached nearly 39 percent, meaning he would have to sell some.

    A strike force of Mr. Murdoch’s lobbyists joined other media companies in working on the issue. The White House backed the industry, and in a late-night meeting just before Thanksgiving, Congressional leaders agreed to raise the limit — to 39 percent.

    One leader of the Congressional movement to limit ownership was Senator Trent Lott, Republican of Mississippi. But in the end, he, too, agreed to the compromise. It turns out he had a business connection to Mr. Murdoch. Months before, HarperCollins, Mr. Murdoch’s publishing house, had signed a $250,000 book deal to publish Mr. Lott’s memoir, “Herding Cats,” records and interviews show.

    An aide to Mr. Lott said the book deal had no bearing on the senator’s decision, and a spokesman for Mr. Murdoch chalked it up to coincidence. ...



    But, Mr Lott is a personally corrupt and publicly vile man. That much is certain.

    Smarter, though, than that Representative from LA., Mr Jefferson, who left his payoff cash in his freezer. Mr Lott at least used a bank account to float his graft payments.

    All above board, but at higher dollar amounts, to cover the tax bite that legitimacy brings.

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  8. Missed the Upgrade!
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    desert rat said...
    In Afganistan avoer 100 formed up, rank & file.
    In a sanctuary.

    But what happened when they left that sanctuary, when they walked out of that cemetary, into the open ground?

    Not a damned thing.
    No killing ground found

    No, for the Taliban, unless actively engaged in offensive actions against NATO troops, all Afghanistan is a sanctuary.
    Certainly seems to be.

    Mon Jun 25, 08:54:00 AM EDT
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    Doug said...
    Nurture the (Religious Fascist Death Squad) Insurgency!

    Mon Jun 25, 10:58:00 AM EDT
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    Doug said...
    Nurture the invading hordes of welfare cheats, drug and flesh dealers, murderers, rapists, child molesters, and the terrorists associated with the unregulated flood of humanity and human scum!

    Viva el Presidente Bush!

    Mon Jun 25, 11:01:00 AM EDT
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    Doug said...
    A Compassionate Man Nurtures his Fellow Man!

    Mon Jun 25, 11:02:00 AM EDT
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    Doug said...
    EVERY MONTH 150,000 are stopped at the border, others escape detection.
    Thus EVERY MONTH the invasion on our border is greater than our troop committment in Irag!

    Nurture the Invasion!

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  9. 40,000 KIA under el Presidente Bush in the War for Universal Human Compassion!
    Say the curse!

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  10. AKA Global Socialism, poverty, crime, and human misery.

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  11. Pray for Wal-Mart and the soul of the Americas.

    That's the hope, needs a prayer.

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  12. Comprehensive Immigration Reform!

    Ted's Thing and a Prayer!

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  13. On the wings of a snow white dove!

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  14. SHARM EL-SHEIK, Egypt (Associated Press) -- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Monday he will release 250 Fatah members from Israeli prisons in a goodwill gesture aimed at boosting Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas after Hamas' victory in Gaza.

    Olmert made the announcement at a summit with Abbas and the leaders of Egypt and Jordan in this Red Sea resort that the Arabs and Palestinians are hoping can push forward the peace process and strengthen Abbas' hand.

    "As a gesture of good will towards the Palestinians, I will bring before the Israeli Cabinet a proposal to free 250 Fatah prisoners who do not have blood on their hands, after they sign a commitment not to return to violence," Olmert said in a speech to the gathering.


    Catch & Release.
    Now we know the new, improved unifed and reconciled by face to face discusions in DC.

    US/Israel Policy towards terrorists is
    CATCH & RELEASE"

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  15. On the wings of a snow white dove!

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  16. It's pure, pure love ...
    On the wings of a snow white dove!

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  17. Inside three checkpoints, these were the fellows saving the day, in Anbar. Blown to bits in a secure hotel in Baghdad.

    BAGHDAD (Associated Press) -- A suicide bomber apparently targeting a meeting of U.S.-allied Sunni sheiks penetrated layers of security and blew himself up in a hotel lobby on Monday, killing four tribal leaders and at least eight others, police reported.

    The sheiks were associated with the Anbar Salvation Council, which had taken up arms to help drive extremists of al-Qaida in Iraq from the western province of Anbar.

    The attack was among five suicide and other bombings Monday that killed at least 45 people across Iraq.


    We do not even own the day,in Baghdad, let alone the nights.

    And the Iraqi cannot not hold what we clear. According to US Generals on the ground.

    Still lazy after all those years
    Still not ready dispite years of training
    Still unable to "Stand Up!"

    Still lazy, after all those years

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  18. Circles & Cycles

    He identified four tribal leaders killed as former Anbar governor Fassal al-Guood, sheik of the al-Bu Nimir tribe, Sheik Abdul-Azizi al-Fahdawi of the Fahad tribe, Sheik Tariq Saleh al-Assafi and Col. Fadil al-Nimrawi, both of the al-Bu Nimr tribe. Three of al-Guood's guards also were killed, the police officer said.

    Gen. Aziz al-Yassiri, a Defense Ministry adviser, also was killed in the hotel attack, a ministry official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    "It was a great breach of security because there are three checkpoints, one outside and two inside," said Saif al-Rubaie, a 28-year-old hotel worker who saw the blast.

    After the blast, a member of the Anbar Salvation Council said in the provincial capital of Ramadi that the sheiks meeting at the Mansour Hotel had been dropped from the council "because they did not continue working with us." He said they had been meeting secretly with government officials, about unspecified matters.


    Not meeting any more, are they?

    Progress in Anbar
    Rock On!

    Three checkpoints and the bomber waltzes right up to the targets.

    The best and the brightest, no doubt.

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  19. They've had you folks blocked out at the library for using 'inappropriate words and phrases'--shame on you all, now this library is a little more reckless. I see it's dejavu all over again on the immigration debate. My Senators are locked in to their positions now. Keep on truckin'. The Ohio River Valley is muggy as all get out, even in June. I ain't used to it.
    One thing about the newspapers around here, you can't find anything out about anything outside the county. So I'll keep up here, til they catch on to your gig.

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  20. But our opponents, they find self-starting locals, with little or no problem.
    They ship in just four score or so suicide bombers, across the Syrian frontier, each month.
    So we have whittled down 2 months worth of resupply, in the laast week.

    Will the enemy "pump up the volume" and increase the inflitration of enemy combatants, or can the US and Iraqi forces police that Syrian frontier, tighten it down, beat it like a drum?

    What of the Iranian frontier, border check points manned, guards armed?

    How many layers of border watch will we need, to stem the infiltrators, if three checkpoints at a secure hotel are not enough to stop a bomber?

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  21. By the way Motel 6 is a great violator of the immigration laws. There wasn't one that we stayed in, not even in Laramie, Wyoming, that didn't have some around. If you are traveling, learn the Spanish word for towel, it will help you out.

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  22. Bobal,

    How did you know they had "some"? 'cause they were Hispanic?

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  23. The majority of non-english speaking hispanics are here illegally, ash.

    The following was done, documenting with my tax dollars, the baseline of reality.
    Confronting the Threat at
    the Southwest Border

    PREPARED BY THE MAJORITY STAFF OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS
    MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Chairman


    The report states the following in the first page or two, discounting the photos.
    During 2005, Border Patrol apprehended approximately 1.2 million illegal aliens; of
    those 165,000 were from countries other than Mexico.
    ...
    Federal law enforcement estimates that 10 percent to 30 percent of illegal aliens are
    actually apprehended and 10 percent to 20 percent of drugs are seized.2
    Therefore, in
    2005, as many as 10 to 4 million illegal aliens crossed into the United States
    ; and as
    much as 2.2 to 1.1 million kilograms of cocaine and 11.6 to 5.8 million kilograms of
    marijuana entered the United States.


    From the US Census of 2000 the following information is derived.

    HISPANIC OR LATINO AND RACE
    Total population = 281,421,906, 100.00 %
    Hispanic or Latino (of any race) = 35,305,818, 12.5%
    Mexican = 20,640,711, 7.3%
    Puerto Rican = 3,406,178 1.2%
    Cuban = 1,241,685, 0.4%
    Other Hispanic or Latino = 10,017,244, 3.6%
    Not Hispanic or Latino = 246,116,088, 87.5%


    Of the 20,640,711 Mexican self indentifiers, in 2000, as many as 8 million were in the country illegally, based on other US government data. Average the incoming flow at the low end of 2005 estimates, of 4 million per year, since the cenus, adds as few or as many as 28 million more.
    Factor in multiple trips, easily 9 million new residents, very conservatively speaking.
    So if a census were held today, we could estimate that there'd be 30 million self-indentifying Mexicans.
    17 million here illegally. More than half.

    So, if you meet a person of Mexican of hispanic heritage, that does not speak english with fluency, odds are good, he or she is in the US without documentation authorized by the US Federal government, though almost all carry Mexican documentation of one type or another. Often they are in the possession of forged SS cards.

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  24. Tony Snow said that the Administration wanted to look at Iraq, and think Korea.

    According to westhawk, this is what Korea will look like, for US.

    By 2008, officials will have consolidated much of the 2nd Infantry Division, closed 36 camps and bases, and started developing the two enduring hubs. Camp Humphreys will be one hub combined with neighboring Osan Air Base, and Daegu to the southeast will be the other, with its neighboring Marine Camp Mujuk and the Navy’s fleet activities base at Chinhae.

    U.S. soldiers formerly came to South Korea for one-year “hardship” tours, unaccompanied by their families. In the future, the U.S. Army wants soldiers to come for three years or more, with their families, and to live in new base housing built for this purpose:


    The Camp Humphreys family member population is expected to grow by almost 1,000 percent, from about 1,400 to more than 13,000. In response, engineers are planning multiple housing projects that will offer parks, shopping, dining and entertainment, also all within walking distance.

    Two apartment-style family housing units opened recently, with one more scheduled to open in September. Future housing plans call for 33 more 12-story buildings housing up to 72 families each.

    Three elementary schools are planned, as well as a middle school and a high school. Currently, the camp has an elementary school and a middle school. High school students ride buses north to Osan.

    Seventeen building projects worth more than $542 million are in design at Camp Humphreys. Fourteen projects now under construction are worth more than $215 million.

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  26. Gentleman,

    I am afriad that we will lose this thing. We have been deceived and cheated by lesser men. We no longer have representatives but serve at the pleasure of rulers, knaves and frauds. Democrat, Republican, it no longer makes much difference. Fix bayonets and take them down one at a time. Know you gave it your best and damn the bastards that sold us out to the special interests and corporations.

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  27. To know how this will go, watch the suck ass trotter. He has his finger to the wind.

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  28. "We no longer have representatives but serve at the pleasure of rulers, knaves and frauds. Democrat, Republican"

    You don't serve at the pleasure of anyone, dear host.

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  29. Krauthammer thinks it's going to be an absolutely endearing summer for What is Occupation:

    Thinks Hamas is going to send suicide bombers to the West Bank for a great Muslim Ground Round event in the real life theater of the ME.
    ...Candy will explain how it's part of the "Peace Process" no doubt.

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  30. Does Camp Humphries receive much incoming mortar these days?
    Just Curious.

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  31. Kraut sees the next 15 years shaping up as Jordan, Israel, Egypt, and the Saudis against the Persians.

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  32. Well, at least Kraut didn't include us.

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  33. Ultimately, the realization of Kurdistan’s economic potential depends on foreign investment. The region has untapped oil and gas reserves, effective security, modern infrastructures, an investment-friendly legal environment—allowing foreign ownership of corporations and real property—and a secular outlook hospitable to foreigners.

    But all that potential is compromised as long as Kurdish trade remains hostage to the whims of Iranian and Turkish authorities. The local needs for electricity cannot be met by a few hydroelectric dams, and Turkey and Iran refuse to trade electricity.

    The few border crossings of Kurdistan are made up of an endless line of trucks, which limits the amount of gasoline imported and creates acute shortages. The wait for subsidized gasoline at gas stations takes hours, even days, and Kurds have to turn to the ubiquitous black market that sells poor quality gasoline smuggled over the mountains in cheap plastic containers.


    In Kurdistan

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  34. We ain't lost anything, yet, Deuce. I can't get an answer at Cochran, or Lott's number. Evidently, if you do manage to get through you get your head bit off. I think we got'em on the run.

    Don't Email; Call!

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