Jordan Peterson: What Are the Limits of the Left?
On a steamy Houston evening, hundreds of Jordan Peterson fans lined up to hear the Canadian psychology professor speak in a venue normally filled by indy rock bands, glazed eyes, and singing banshees. Not this night. The Revention Center hosted bright group of mostly-white young men, high on big ideas.
Dave Rubin, who introduced Peterson asked him, joking, during the Q&A session, “What’s it like to be the representative of angry, white men?” Peterson responded with a sly smile, “Pretty great, actually.”
Pretty great, indeed. Twenty-four hundred people sat in too-small folding chairs, shoulder to shoulder for two and half hours of Socratic lecture. To start, Dr. Peterson discussed discernment and hierarchy and the importance of both. He illustrated the proposition of helpful hierarchy with a story of his very bad plumber who did a shoddy job and produced piping with 38 leaks. There were better plumbers, with better reputations, and probably got paid more because they had built a reputation for being the best and deserved to be atop the plumbing hierarchy. In capitalism, there are many such hierarchies:
If you’re going to have a value in a social context, you’re going to produce a hierarchy and much of that hierarchy is going to be based on competence if the thing you’re pursuing is worth pursuing.Okay, now, having said that, you can look at the post-modern or the Marxist critique of hierarchies and the basic critique of hierarchy is something like, “All hierarchies are based on nothing but power.” Well, this is absurd. Some hierarchies are based on power sometimes. That’s a whole different claim because you know, once you set up a hierarchy of competence, this happens in corrupt countries with university diplomas. You can bribe your way into a university diploma. That’s the corruption of the hierarchy. It’s the transformation of a hierarchy that should be based on competence and it’s warped by power, the gaming of the system. And so as a hierarchy deteriorates, and ossifies, and becomes corrupt, then the raw expression of power becomes a more reliable way of getting to the top. And the ultimate expression of that is a tyranny.But to say that all hierarchies are tyrannies is to destroy the utility of the concept “tyranny,” because the tyranny of the Soviet Union, for example, and the tyranny of Mao’s China, and the tyranny of present-day Venezuela, is a lot different than the tyranny you Americans experience. Which is the most benevolent tyranny that’s ever existed. That doesn’t mean that it’s perfect, by any stretch of the imagination. It doesn’t mean that it’s without its corruption, but… I mean, look at all of us. We’re not perfect, by any means. We’re not perfect and so when we produce hierarchies that means they’ll tilt toward corruption but that doesn’t mean they’re all corrupt and it doesn’t mean they’re all predicated on power. And it doesn’t mean that you get rid of the hierarchy or that hierarchies are a bad idea or that anyone who is well-positioned in a hierarchy got there because of their privilege or that everyone who is well-positioned in a hierarchy is there because they’re oppressing everybody at the bottom of the hierarchy.Don’t accept that. If you think about plumbers again, it’s a pretty good example. It’s not like the successful plumbers are oppressing you, making your appointments. It is helpful. You might ask about the plumbers who just can’t cut it, who are at the bottom of the hierarchy? It’s like, well, if you don’t want to be knee-deep in sewage, then it’s a reasonable screen. It’s reasonable form of discrimination. But no one talks about that. Because we’ve lost the sense that there could be reasonable forms of discrimination.But discrimination and thinking are the same thing. To think is to discriminate between things. [Applause.]Okay, so we don’t want to be stupid about hierarchies. We want to notice that they’re necessary. We want to predicate them on competence. That’s the sign of a just and properly functioning society. It’s meritocratic in relationship to the hierarchy. The plumbers who are the best at installing plumbing pipes get to rise to the top.And I would also say, and I think there’s evidence for this, …is that the multiplicity of hierarchies we have in the West are mostly functioning and you can tell that because things work.
This was the teaser, really, setting the plate for the real question of his talk. Peterson had been noodling some ideas about this question: How do we know when the Left goes too far? He made the point that on the right, everyone knows Nazis are evil. They’re something bad and something we don’t want to be and this moral judgment was clearly illustrated at the Nuremberg Trials, but that there is no such limit on the Left.
Dr. Peterson did something at the Houston talk he hadn’t done before to answer the above question. He’s been asked by a European publisher to write the preface to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s The Gulag Archipelago. To test the ideas, he read the newly formed thoughts to the Houston audience word for word. It took up nearly an hour. One was left hoping for more rhetorical exposition on his 12 Rules book and less reading but still, the concepts that Peterson touched on were profound and prescient considering the #resistance crisis facing America.
Concluding the preface, Jordan says, quoting himself:
Thus, the doctrine of group identity and victimizer/victim, inevitably ends with everyone identified, and rightly so, as an oppressor, as someone contaminated by bourgeois privilege and prosecuted without mercy for it. No mercy for the oppressor. But the oppressor is each of us because none of us deserve the advantage bequeathed upon us by favors of history.
There’s much more, of course, but that’s the gist. And so, to attempt to answer the central question that Peterson left unanswered: How does one define acceptable boundaries on the Left? When does the ideology become dangerous? Is it AntiFa’s lock hurling goons? Is it Black Lives Matters activists shooting cops? Is it a gay couple ruining a family business or else forcing them to violate their conscience? Is it the enforced “correct-think” that pervades Hollywood, academia, and the media, and now, increasingly, commerce?
The Left has never been called to account for the atrocities done in the extreme of their name: Marxism. As Peterson points out, professors can, with impunity, profess their love for Marxism. Why are Nazis (rightly) labeled anathema but communists march proudly, teach in state schools, and are never called to account for the evil done in their name? When the “oppressed” become the oppressors, why do the “compassionate” look the other way and why are they allowed to?
Dave Rubin said something at the beginning of the talk as a throwaway line that grabbed my attention. He said, “There is a revolution but it’s an idea revolution…” All revolutions, though, are ideas-based, and at the heart of all the bloodshed is a fight for certain ideas.
One gets the impression that those on the Left, the ones lying down on the floor at Publix, the ones freebasing in Starbucks bathrooms, the ones killing cops, the ones shooting Congressmen playing baseball, the ones shrugging when decent people are forced out of business, the ones reporting the wrong-think on Twitter, the ones sneering at those who cling to their God and their guns, are fully committed to the extermination of their opposition by any means necessary. The brazenness of branding half the country as racist and privileged is whole-scale dehumanization and a daily occurrence. It’s the foundation of Marxism.
Yet, to Dr. Peterson’s point, no one has defined a limit to Marxism. Even as a failed ideology, marred by the blood of millions, Marxism persists as an acceptable belief system. The precepts of envy, power, and ultimately, violence continue unchecked and ignored.
The Q & A session at the end of Peterson’s talk ended with a rousing standing ovation. He professed astonishment and gratitude for the unlikely situation that thousands of people would show up to hear an intellectual share his ideas. It fills him with hope.
While listening to the talk, it felt a bit like Peterson was preaching to the converted. The real problem for the West didn’t sit in this hall and it doesn’t even consist of tear-gas wielding AntiFa activists. It consists, like it did in Lenin’s Russia and Mao’s China, of the masses who don’t see themselves as potential oppressors or even as oppressed, but went along with the worldview of those who did, and didn’t realize, until it was too late, and then they faced a choice: either submit or die. And likely, even submission wouldn’t save them.
Hopefully, the few in that room are the beginning of an awakening and not the last remnants of those who possess discernment.
He said, “There is a revolution but it’s an idea revolution…” All revolutions, though, are ideas-based, and at the heart of all the bloodshed is a fight for certain ideas.edReplyDelete
I was roundly boo-ed here for expressing the opinion that events in the middle east are really the goings-on of one long lasting literary dispute.
From this point of view, literacy can be seen as one gigantic fall into disaster.Delete
When in this mood, I often praise the illiteracy of, say, Quirk, and urge him to stay dumb.
Bob, you have some tough bark on you. Express on my Friend!ReplyDelete
I added a talk by Jordan Peterson. Enjoy.ReplyDelete
I have some of his books.Delete
I notice the lack of a transcendent perspective. But maybe I've just not stumbled over it yet.
I really like the guy, and have seen him interviewed two or three times.
He is threatening to go on a hunger strike if the Canadian Government fucks with his freedom of expression.
I think he'd do it, too.
One could see the fur starting to rise on his back.
I have not read the first book the fellow mentioned, which " revolutionized the psychology of religion".Delete
So there is a transcendent element, and that's where I'm going next.
He is with Harvard University in the USA and is a professor at the University of Toronto in Canada.
He's a Canadian citizen.
I read an article recently that said events in the middle east could be the result of copper toxicity in most all of the population there. Symptoms include:ReplyDelete
feeling out of control
The middle eastern diet kind of feeds into the above in that, on the whole, it's relatively high in copper.
Let them eat sand.Delete
Breaking: Trump To Pardon Dinesh D’Souza
Will be giving a Full Pardon to Dinesh D’Souza today. He was treated very unfairly by our government!
Trump considering pardon for Martha Stewart, whom Comey prosecuted....Drudge
Trump weighs leniency for Martha Stewart and Blagojevich, will pardon conservative Dinesh D'Souza
The president told reporters aboard Air Force One that he is considering pardons or commutations for Stewart and Blagojevich; earlier, he tweeted his plan to pardon D'Souza.
by Jonathan Allen / May.31.2018 / 6:45 AM ET / Updated 9:32 AM
Let Blago rot in prison.
Yes, the FBI Was Investigating the Trump Campaign When It SpiedReplyDelete
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
Trey Gowdy and Marco Rubio evidently paid little attention to testimony before their own committees on how Obama officials made the Trump campaign the subject of a counterintelligence investigation.
My MSM tells me no!
Mark Levin DESTROYS ‘Slip and Fall Lawyer’ Trey Gowdy’s Defense of Obama’s Spygate ScandalDelete
Chris Wray and Rod Rosenstein told Trey what happened, Trey told us:
That's what happened!
Simple question, Quirk:ReplyDelete
"If they are trying to protect us and the candidates and the election from the Russians, as we pointed out last week, why weren’t there informants in Jill Stein’s campaign, or Hillary Clinton’s campaign, or Bernie Sanders’ campaign?”
Another simple question:ReplyDelete
Why didn't the FBI look for Ruskies on the DNC servers?
The FBI had no business looking for Ruskies on the DNC servers, or anywhere else.ReplyDelete
That would be the job of the NSA or CIA.
And besides, how many Ruskies can you fit on a DNC server ?
Not very many, I'd wager.
Maybe, just maybe, one or two Ruskies, at the most, I'd estimate.
If I were a Ruskie looking to hide out in the USA I wouldn't hide out on a DNC server.Delete
I'd hide out at a Starbucks, or maybe the restroom of a Chevron Service Station.
It's really none of my business anyway, as the question was directed to Quirk, not to me.Delete
I don't know why I am answering it.
Let Quirk answer his own questions, if he can.
That's all I got to say about it.
What I do know is Quirk was full of shit about Gowdy.Delete
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And Gowdy himself was half full of shit about the Ruskie thing.
Trey was shown no documents:Delete
He simply accepted Rosenstein's words!
(Based on the FBI's sterling record of truth-telling.)
So that's where Gowdy made his mistake.
Rosey is a giant ego and a liar, and speaks with forked tongue.
Why has the FBI repeatedly withheld and redacted information that was later found to have no security damaging information whatsoever?
What is "slow-walking?"
Why has the FBI repeatedly withheld and redacted information that was later found to have no security damaging information whatsoever?Delete
Force of habit.
Vote Nazi !ReplyDelete
Jeez, and I thought you were joking....Delete
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Ronald Reagan wasn't a nazi.
And he supported the war effort by selling 20 Mule Team Boraxo Soap during the war.
You never did see such clean hands.
It was a great ad, I remember it well, one of Quirk's best early efforts.
My best friend had a model of the team that was about 6 feet long!Delete
I can't understand why Trump would pardon Blago.ReplyDelete
Blago must have done Trump some kind of favor in the past.
Follow that drone!
You need to get over there and stake claim to any newly created lava tubes.Delete
What is "slow-walking?"ReplyDelete
It's what you do when you have two busted hips, like me.
The good news is, I have no more natural born hips to break.
Back in the old days, as Plato tells the tale, before the gods split us in spite into sexes - like you divide a hard boiled egg with a hair, right down the middle, an operation we have been striving to reverse ever since - we all had four hips, two noses, four eyes, twenty toes and all the rest to match.Delete
Republican Party Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel and Donald Trump’s 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale sent a letter last week to Facebook and Twitter requesting for more transparency by the companies in how they are preventing political bias internally.ReplyDelete
“Google owes conservatives answers and assurances that they are putting an end to this,” McDaniel said in a statement to VICE News. “Evidence is mounting that conservative voices are either being suppressed or, as it appears in this case, being falsely depicted as hateful extremists.”
Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas grilled Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg about it during the April hearings and the House Judiciary Committee brought in conservative Facebook stars Diamond & Silk, who claimed to have been discriminated against by Facebook. The Trump-supporting duo appear to have been affected by algorithm changes that have diminished all engagement with political content.