“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Monday, June 24, 2013

In the Snowden affair, paybacks are a bitch.



  1. Payback IS a motherfucker. :) :) :)

  2. Why would Charlie Chi-com, upon whom the US has been spying upon for decades, help the US catch someone who helped expose the scope and scale of the US capability?

    The US accuses Charlie of spying on US, hacking US government and business Inet sites with great regularity.
    While that may well be true, so is the reality that the US tracks every e-mail, every phone call and semaphore signal originating in China.

    The US violated the Russians "Right to Privacy" so often that the Russians have realized that they have no such "right", just like the rest of US. Unless, of course, you want an abortion.

  3. Hey, boobie!

    Seems that the US has been following your admonition as concerns killing black babies ...

    According to 2010 census data, African Americans make up 12.6% of the U.S. population2 but the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that black women accounted for 35.4% of all abortions in 2009.

    Black babies are being killed at a rate three times higher than their share of the population.

    If your thesis was correct, the US culture would be in transition, to lower crime and a higher standard of living, for all of US.

    The culture of the inner city, where so blacks find themselves would be improving.

    A quick look at Detroit and the South side of Chi-town shows US this is not the case.

    Why has the plan you advocated for back in November of 2008, so thoughtfully, failed so thoroughly?

    1. Ratto --

      What THESIS?

      I am against abortion.

      I do not know why so many blacks get fucked on a dance and give the baby up to abortion.

      The Law is as the Law is now.

      If I were to advise a young black woman faced with this choice I would advise her to keep the child and bring it to birth and keep it or put the child up for adoption.

      I really don't know why the Rawandans kill themselves by the millions ever forty years or so, either.

      I guess I would have to ask you.

      Maybe Deuce is right and South should have been let go.

      I have an answer for Quirk though after having gotten some divine sleep, to improve the memory.

      We were arguing about the legality and constitutionality of the The Wars.

      I was maintaining that they were both legal and constitutional as they had been duly passed by our Congress. Which is the only Law making body their is, in our current system.

      One could make the argument that The Wars are immoral but then one would be getting into Catholic or some other outlook.

      But not a legal outlook.

      I believe Quirk may have changed his outlook on this during the blah blah and if I have falsely accused him I will apologize like a gentleman.


  4. I figured Snowden would have considered the risk in going to Latin America and considering the way the US government handles political prisoners especially with the use of Isolation and mental torture, he would rethink his travel plans.

    In refusing to extradite Snowden, analysts said, there are a number of legal justifications Russia could cite, in addition to the absence of an extradition treaty between the two countries.

    "Under international law, a legitimate request for political asylum under the Refugee Convention trumps a request for extradition," Falk said. "The murky area comes when the country requesting extradition claims the crime is not of a political nature, as the U.S. has done in the indictment."

    Marjorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and former president of the National Lawyers Guild, argued that Russia might also find justifications in the Convention Against Torture, citing the treatment of another accused leaker, Pfc. Bradley Manning.

    "Since Bradley Manning was subjected to torture by being held in solitary confinement for the first nine months of his confinement, Russia could conclude that Snowden might be subjected to the same fate, and deny extradition on that ground," Cohn wrote in an email to

    Then there's double criminality. Under the doctrine, Simes noted, the act for which the extradition is sought must be recognized by both the demanding and requested countries.

    "Stealing American secrets is not a crime in Russia."

  5. All this because of the stinking rotten Middle East, one calamitous disaster after another, cheered on by the neocon band and the US Congo line in lock step to the music


    A raid on the presidential compound in the Afghan capital has ended with the deaths of all the attackers, according to police.

    The Taliban quickly claimed responsibility for the attack targeting the presidential palace and the CIA office in central Kabul on Tuesday morning.

    All the fighters involved in the attack were dead, Afghan police said.

    Kabul police chief Mohammad Ayoub Salangi told reporters at the scene that all three or four fighters jumped out of their explosives-laden car before detonating it and were killed.

    Al Jazeera's producer Qais Azimy, who was at the scene at the time, said the attack occurred as a meeting was about to take place.

    He said the raid mirrored recent previous incidents and appeared to be well-coordinated.

    A number of the attackers targeted the west gate, which is near the CIA office, our producer said, adding that black smoke was billowing out of the building.

    Azimy also said President Hamid Karzai was likely to be in his office at the time as he was due to address the media.


    BAGHDAD (AP) — A series of evening bombings near markets in and around Baghdad and other blasts north of the capital killed at least 42 people and wounded dozens of others Monday in the latest eruption of bloodshed to rock Iraq.

    The attacks were the latest in a wave of violence that has claimed more than 2,000 lives since the beginning of April. Militants, building on Sunni discontent with the Shiite-led government, appear to be growing stronger in central and northern Iraq.

    The violence came as tens of thousands of Shiites poured into the holy city of Karbala, 50 miles south of Baghdad, for the annual festival of Shabaniyah, marking the anniversary of the birth of the ninth-century Shiite leader known as the Hidden Imam. Tight security measures were in force to try to prevent insurgent attacks on the worshippers.

    One of the deadliest attacks came at night when two bombs placed near a market blew up less than a minute apart in Baghdad's mostly Shiite neighborhood of Husseiniyah, killing ten people and wounding 30 others.

    Police said the second bomb went off among a group of people who had gathered at the scene to help the victims of the first blast.


    Lebanese forces have closed in on a mosque where a cleric’s followers have holed up in an overnight gun battle. Across the country, supporters of the cleric have rallied in solidarity.

    The fighting began about 40 kilometers (25 miles) south of Beirut in the port city of Sidon on Sunday and continued into Monday morning. The army has called for reinforcements after gunmen defending the mosque killed at least 12 soldiers and wounded 40. Reports say that at least two of the gunmen in the mosque have died in the fighting, with at least a dozen injured.

    The army vowed in a statement that it “will not tolerate" the violence and that it "will continue to fulfill its mandate to suppress civil strife in the country."

    Sidon has remained on edge since violence began there last week between Sunni and Shiite Muslim fighters at odds over Syria's civil war. The cleric, Sheikh Ahmad al-Assir, supports rebels fighting to oust President Bashar al-Assad. He also has strong criticism for the militant Shiite group Hezbollah, which has intervened in the civil war on al-Assad’s behalf.

    ‘All noble people'

    Witnesses have told news agencies that the violence apparently started when al-Assir supporters surrounded a checkpoint in Abra, where the army had stopped a vehicle transporting other supporters of the cleric. The military announced that it would try to arrest al-Assir, who, for his part, has called on people across Lebanon to join him - and on soldiers to defect.

    “To all noble people in the army, Sunni or not Sunni," he said in a YouTube video, wearing a bulletproof vest and holding a gun, "you must leave the army."

    Other al-Assir backers have attacked security forces in Sidrn in retaliation for the siege of the mosque and called on their supporters to take to the streets nationwide.

    The fighting has trapped hundreds of civilians in their homes, with some making appeals on local television stations for the army to secure a safe passage for them to leave the area. The noncombatant civilian death toll remains unknown.


    Let us start evaluating the election of a new president in Iran by flashing back 20 years to the words of Israel’s then-prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin. On a historic morning, September 13, 1993, on the South Lawn of the White House, he signed a framework for peace with Yasser Arafat. Yet Palestinian violence against Israeli civilians continued.

    Rabin was repeatedly asked how he could keep negotiating with Arafat. His formulation still seems perfect for the Middle East of today: “We shall negotiate peace as though there were no terrorism, and we shall fight terrorism as though there is no peace.”

    The Obama administration and its Western allies would be wise to adopt the same stand toward Iran: Resume the negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, but don’t lift the sanctions aimed at compelling the Iranians to stop it. Perhaps even tighten the sanctions, to show that the West is losing patience.

    Iran’s uranium enrichment, which has continued even through election campaigns and smiling news conferences by the winner in Tehran, is almost certainly aimed to stale more time and enhance the nuclear program. So say the CIA, the Mossad, and European and Arab intelligence analysts who are all highly concerned about it.

    If Iran’s scientists and military succeed in manufacturing nuclear warheads for missiles, then American interests in the Middle East – and Israel’s safety – would be in peril.

    1. The curse of Saudi- and US-supported Sunni fundamentalists continues to haunt the Middle East and surrounding region. While the US, Europe, and Israel continue to point to Iran as the key destablizing actor in the region, the absolute dictatorship of Saudi Arabia cannot tolerate quasi-democratic, anti-Royalist political currents.

      Let’s hope the past does not repeat:
      “By the end of September 1996 the Taliban had conquered Kabul and had extended their rule to twenty-two of the country’s thirty-one provinces. They announced that their godly government would be known as the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, and while most of the world prudently stepped back and waited, three countries granted this unusual entity official recognition: Pakistan, the United Arab Emirates—and Saudi Arabia.” The Taliban began issuing prohibitions: “no kite flying, no pool tables, no music, no nail polish, no toothpaste, no televisions, no beard shaving…[T]he Taliban also…closed all girls’ schools and colleges, and banned women from working…These draconian regulations were enforced by religious police squads…that were built directly on the Saudi model of fundamentalist vigilantes and drew support from Saudi religious charities.” Not for the “first or last time, Saudi favor to Islamic purists had helped give birth to a monster.

  8. Therefore now is the time to further consolidate the sanctions. The elections prove that sanctions are working. If oil export drops to 500,000 barrel a day Iran will probably be ready to make real concessions.

    If President Barack Obama really wants to stop Iran of having nuclear weapons without going to war, he has to impose more sanctions.

    One more little turn of the screw on Iran will prove the best peacekeeping measure.

    The author is an Israel-based security commentator, co-author of Spies against Armageddon and senior contributor to and The Jerusalem Report.

  9. Reported division between the United States President and his Secretary of State regarding American intervention on behalf of Syria’s Sunni opposition, will afford Obama deniability for the predictable horrific results. Most importantly, it diverts attention from the Administration’s deliberate failure to stop Iran from finalizing its nuclear weapons capabilities.

    The Administration’s pretense that the White House does not always dictate U.S. foreign policy is nothing new. Yet, the gullible media is buying into the story. Incredibly, the Financial Times attributed the President’s widely reported hesitation in supplying advanced weapons to Assad’s opposition to Obama’s “Hippocratic instinct” (do no harm). Does it mean that John Kerry on his own committed the U.S. into giving “urgent military support…each country in its own way,” to Syrian opposition groups? Hardly.

    According to the Los Angeles Times, “CIA operatives and U.S. special operations troops have been secretly training Syrian rebels with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons since late last year… at bases in Jordan and Turkey.”

    Qatar’s PM Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani declared that the Friends of Syria group decision to “provide all necessary material and equipment to the opposition on the ground… may be the only means of achieving peace.”

    He didn’t specify which “opposition on the ground” group gets the weapons. However, in an earlier statement he noted, “you can’t guarantee that one weapon or another may not fall, in that kind of a situation, into hands that you don’t want it in.”

    For Qatar, as seen all along in Gaza and recently in Libya, the right hands are those of Islamic militants, the likes of those who killed the four Americans in Benghazi last year. The Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress released a report on August 2012, which documents how “al-Qaeda adherents in Libya used the 2011 Revolution to establish well-armed, well-trained, and combat-experienced militias.

    The Administration’s assistance to the Qatar-allied Libyan opposition resulted in a war-torn country, daily violent clashes, torture, arbitrary arrests and Islamic rule. Qatar-assisted groups in Syria have already added fuel to the Syrian fire.

    Supplying sophisticated arms to an unprofessional, hastily put together group in order to defeat the highly trained, well equipped loyal Syrian army aided by Iranian “advisors” and Hezbollah terrorists, all but guarantees that dangerous weapons will fall into the wrong hands. This will contribute to the chaos and lengthen bloody fights, no matter which Islamist side – Sunni or Shia – wins in Syria. Moreover, American made weaponry will be used to further the jihadists war, destabilize the region and even attack Americans. But none of this seems to concern the Administration. But then, it doesn’t seem disturbed by the abysmal outcomes of U.S. mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Replacing military dictatorships in Iraq, Libya and Egypt with Islamist tyrannies contradicts the strive to advance the “four essential human freedoms” that Franklin Delano Roosevelt sought to achieve in the aftermath of the Second World War.

    Obama’s ostensible support of Muslim Brotherhood “reformists” is now leading to replacing Assad’s military dictatorship’s violence with “peace” by oppression under barbaric Sunni and/or Shi’ite tyranny. More importantly, it allows Iran to ready its nuclear weapons, threatening the survival of Israel and what until not long ago was considered an American interest, in the Middle East and beyond.


  10. (Reuters) - China’s top state newspaper praised fugitive U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden on Tuesday for “tearing off Washington’s sanctimonious mask” and rejected accusations that it had facilitated his departure from Hong Kong.

    The strongly worded front-page commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party, comes after Washington harshly criticized Beijing for allowing Snowden to flee.

    The exchanges mark a deterioration in ties between the two countries just weeks after a successful summit meeting between President Barack Obama and President Xi Jinping. But experts say Washington is unlikely to resort to any punitive action.

    The White House said the decision was "a deliberate choice by the government to release a fugitive despite a valid arrest warrant, and that decision unquestionably has a negative impact on the U.S.-China relationship.

    The People's Daily, which reflects official thinking of the government, said China could not accept "this kind of dissatisfaction and opposition".

    The Chinese government has said it was gravely concerned by Snowden's allegations that the United States had hacked into many networks in Hong and China, including Tsinghua University, which hosts one of the country's Internet hubs, and Chinese mobile network companies. It has said it had taken the issue up with Washington.

    "Not only did the U.S. authorities not give us an explanation and apology, it instead expressed dissatisfaction at the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region for handling things in accordance with law," wrote Wang Xinjun, a researcher at the Academy of Military Science in the People's Daily commentary.

    "In a sense, the United States has gone from a 'model of human rights' to 'an eavesdropper on personal privacy', the 'manipulator' of the centralized power over the international Internet, and the mad 'invader' of other countries' networks," the People's Daily said.

    "The world will remember Edward Snowden," the newspaper said. "It was his fearlessness that tore off Washington's sanctimonious mask."

  11. I got an email from niece.

    What's politics anyway.


  12. No one here has remembered but I was the first to ask:

    A) Patriot
    B) Traitor

    A) is the correct answer but it all seems so godadmned silly to me I can't express it.

    Shakespeare has expressed it.

    But I can't.


    1. goddamned

      profanity should always be well spelled

      Snowden is like trying to speak to Quirk in August about life insurance. Perhaps Rufie is right he should just be shot, but then he has done a good turn for his county.

      That is what gets me about Quirk, I can never decide whether to shoot him or make him King.

      The indecision is trying.


  13. It was bright and sunny in Washington on Saturday as President Obama stepped out of the White House in flip-flops and khaki shorts to hit the golf course with his buddies.

    At the same time, officials throughout his administration were scrambling to keep one of America’s most-wanted fugitives from evading extradition in Hong Kong.

    The juxtaposition illustrates the hands-off approach Obama has taken — in public, at least — to the government’s efforts to bring Edward Snowden, the 30-year-old former contractor who exposed classified details of U.S. surveillance programs, back to the United States to face charges of revealing government secrets.

  14. There must be some real interesting reading in what Snowden is holding.

  15. I have to laugh every time I read where someone suggests he return to face US justice.

    1. The ONLY spy we ever keep in jail or execute are Jews.

      So Snowden is safe.

      Now Pollard and the Rosenbergs? Life in prison and execution.

  16. Opinions vary on whether Edward Snowden betrayed his country by leaking classified information about the National Security Agency’s surveillance techniques, but there is one point on which most people would agree: People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

    The primary culprit in this case would be former Vice President Dick Cheney who, during an interview on “Fox News Sunday,” dubbed Snowden a “traitor” for exposing government wire-tapping of private citizens’ phones, among other things.

    For those too young to remember – or those who just choose to forget – Cheney and George W. Bush’s senior adviser, Karl Rove, were believed to have engineered the leak to conservative columnist Robert Novak that exposed Valerie Plame as an operative for the Central Intelligence Agency in 2003.

    Their motivation was political retribution, plain and simple. Plame is the wife of Joseph C. Wilson, former ambassador to Gabon, Sao Tome and Principe, who in 2003 criticized the Bush administration for exaggerating intelligence he had gathered for the CIA regarding Iraq’s potential nuclear threat, to justify the unprovoked war.

    Wilson’s criticism was obviously on target. By the end of 2011, after more than eight years of war and the loss of 4,486 American lives, weapons of mass destruction were never found in Iraq.

    According to former White House press secretary Scott McClellan, Rove, along with Cheney and other top White House officials, directed him to deliver false pronouncements regarding their involvement in leaking classified information about Plame.

    Cheney’s former chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the leak investigation, but Bush commuted his 30-month prison sentence to a $250,000 fine and two years’ probation. Cheney and Bush dodged the investigatory bullet altogether.

    However, in a lawsuit, Plame and Wilson alleged that Cheney, Libby, Rove and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage violated their privacy and constitutional rights by participating in discussions that resulted in Plame’s CIA cover being blown. The actions of the Bush cronies, they maintain, amounted to illegal retaliation against Wilson and that destroying Plame’s CIA career was a form of harassment.

    In 2007, U.S. District Judge John D. Bates dismissed the lawsuit on jurisdictional grounds. He determined that the defendants were within their rights as public officials to take the actions that they did and were immune from liability.

    “The act of rebutting public criticism, such as that levied by Mr. Wilson against the Bush administration’s handling of prewar foreign intelligence, by speaking with members of the press is within the scope of defendants’ duties as high-level executive branch officials,” Bates said.

  17. Washington’s allegations over US fugitive Edward Snowden are ‘unacceptable’ as he never crossed the Russian border, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said. As a consequence, any attempt to accuse or threaten Moscow by the US is unfounded.

    “Russia has nothing to do with Snowden’s movements, he chose his route himself and didn’t cross the Russian border,” said Lavrov, responding to a question by RT’s correspondent at a press conference with the Algerian foreign minister.

    According the Reuters sources at Sheremetevo airport, Snowden arrived on Sunday with a valid ticket to Havana on Monday which he did not use. He is reportedly not able to cross the Russian border because he is not in possession of a valid visa.  Moreover, the whistleblower’s passport is thought to have been revoked a day after he fly out of Hong Kong to Moscow on Sunday.

    “For this reason we consider all attempts to accuse Russia of violating American law and conspiring against the US unfounded and unacceptable,” stress Lavrov, adding that the Kremlin does not tolerate threats.

    Lavrov’s statements follow strong US rhetoric threatening consequences if Moscow does not comply with the US extradition order against Snowden under the espionage act.

    "We expect the Russian government to look at all options available to expel Mr. Snowden back to the US to face justice for the crimes with which he is charged,”  White House National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden stressed on Sunday, when Snowden reportedly arrived in Moscow. 

    WikiLeaks, which is reportedly aiding Snowden in his asylum bid, confirmed on Monday that he was en route to Ecuador via Moscow. The Ecuadorian government said it has received the application for asylum and is currently processing it.

    In order to get to Ecuador from Moscow, Snowden will have to transfer in Cuba, however, Sheremetyevo Airport officials have told Russian media that he was on neither Monday’s or Tuesday’s flights to Havana.


Former CIA contractor Edward Snowden fled the US for Hong Kong in May, where he handed over classified information regarding the US’ mass internet surveillance program, PRISM, to The Guardian newspaper. Since then, the US has been relentlessly pursuing him and has issued an extradition order against him under the espionage act. 

After China did not hand Snowden over on the grounds that the extradition documents submitted by the US were not sufficient to warrant his arrest, Washington stepped up its rhetoric. The Obama administration said it was “disappointed” in China and threatened consequences for bilateral relations. 

The White House has branded Edward Snowden as a traitor and called on all countries in the northern hemisphere to aid in his extradition to the US.

  18. What exactly is Obama threatening Russia with, especially while wearing his flip flops?

    1. He threatened Russia with the forced deportation Michelle back to Mother Russia.

  19. Supremes Gut Voting Rights Act.

    Yeah, we're goin' 3rd World.

    Going, hell, we're already there.

    3rd World Crony Corruption

    3rd World Healthcare


    3rd World Elections

    1. Oh, and 3rd World Privacy/Freedom

    2. Soon?

      We will have a 3rd world power supply!

      Coal will be illegal for power plants so people will be buying coal to heat their homes via fire places and stoves. Of course they will have to BUY the illegal stoves since the Federals have made home wood burning stoves illegal.

  20. .

    In the last two decades, the U.S. has devolved from the world's lone hyperpower to its current position of 'first among equals', the guy with the biggest checkbook. Bush proved the point militarily as evidenced by decades long wars which showed the U.S. could effectively be fought to a standstill through assymetrical warfare. Obama has achieved it politically by reducing the U.S. to a paper tiger were other major powers feel free to mock us over the hypocrisy we share.

    Some would argue that the U.S. is still the baddest dude in the valley and, if so inclined, could destroy the world. However, that ignores the economic interdependance that exists in the world today. By destroying others we destroy ourselves.

    Bush sits and paints and assumes that history will one day absolve him. We shall see.


    1. Really, really profound. Give us more.

      There is a painting of Queen Lizzy back in her day, the Peacock Dress painting, where she wears a Dress of Eyes. I believe I posted it a couple of years ago.

      This is not a representation of our Lizzy, but of the all seeing State.

      Look it up.

      But here is our own Moron Quirk, from Detroit, the heart of civilization, who has warned us of the coming National Security State, now saying Snowden is a criminal.

      It has all happened before, in fact has always been happening, and our Moron Quirk wishes to prosecute Snowden.

      All I can figure out is that must be the result of public education in Detroit, Michigan.


    2. And this idiot preaches about 'sheeple'.


    3. No wonder I await a call from my Hindu niece at The Max Planck Institute of Brain Research in Hamburg, Germany.


    4. Where she is, by the way, working with super neat instruments and brain scans to try to help us to save our sight.



    5. This is not me Deuce. Please take it down. It is disgusting.


  21. .

    Lord, Bob, you have the distinction of being 'the' complete idiot, an English major that lacks the ability to read and rationally process information, a sad commentary on the education system in this country.


    1. Asshole, moron, idiot, cretan, sloth, dumb shit.





  22. This is a very sad day in America. Voting is our most basic right, and if you're not on your state's favored voter list, the Fed no longer has your back.

    A very, very sad day.

    1. Free and fair elections ended years ago.

      Now states will have the right to exclude those who are not citizens from voting for freebies.

      Great news.

      Time to clean up the voter roles.

      Best news for America in 15 years.

  23. Look at it this way. Voting is all about states rights. The Supreme Court should have no say in how the states vote. Worse yet, most US citizens relate to a state. All these pardoned immigrants are going to be grateful and beholden to who, the state or the federal government?

    The federal government.

    It should be obvious to everyone that this thing is not fixable. It is too far gone and sliding away on an increased scale. The Republic is calving rights faster than the Arctic glaciers are dropping icebergs.

    The party in the way is the Republican Party, because it is the party of fraud. The Democrats are true to their cause. Get rid of the Republican Party and remove the impediment to draw down on Democrats that can be put into play in a new Libertarian Populist Party.

  24. Naw, Deuce, your heart's not in this one. This one is wrong - bad wrong. This is about the difference between modernity, and Jim Crow. This is bad.

    1. This is the United States. We don't allow apartheid, whether it's called "States Rights," or by some other name.

    2. This is all about suppressing the non-white, non-male, non-middle aged, non-republican vote.

      This is a sad day for "Democracy" in America.

      Welcome to Myanmar.

    3. Suppressing the illegal voter is a good thing....

      Suppressing the criminal vote is a good thing...

      Suppressing voter fraud by "community activists" that buy votes for cash cards and pizzas? A good thing.

    4. You fucking moron; this has nothing to do with any of that. "Votes for Pizza?" Good God.

    5. You can count the number of proved illegals voting on one hand. On the other hand, we saw Millions of poor, and minority voters standing in line for hours, and hours, in this last election.

      And, that was with the Federal Courts trying to slow down the Jim Crow Brigade.

    6. Who you calling a "fucking moron"?

      Is that how you have an intelligent discussion?

      Ad hominem attacks?

      Try stating a counter argument. Just calling someone names speaks volumes about your own grasp of the issue at hand.

      I have 1st hand knowledge the purchasing of votes with the use of pizza and cash cards. Please try and control your baser instincts and learn to have a reasonable exchange of ideas.

    7. Rufus IITue Jun 25, 06:48:00 PM EDT
      You can count the number of proved illegals voting on one hand. On the other hand, we saw Millions of poor, and minority voters standing in line for hours, and hours, in this last election.


      By the Holder Justice department?

      Now that is funny.

      We all KNOW that tens of thousands of illegals voted. Proving it? Well that is impossible when the Obama administration orchestrated it.

    8. Fuck you; I'm in no mood for racist shit. Piss off.

    9. On the other hand, we saw Millions of poor, and minority voters standing in line for hours, and hours, in this last election.

      Really? When voter polls were open for literally WEEKS before the election?

      Did some voters have to wait in line for a few hours? maybe.

      Was that suppression?


    10. Rufus IITue Jun 25, 06:55:00 PM EDT
      Fuck you; I'm in no mood for racist shit. Piss off.

      Spoken like a true Democrat.

    11. What's that old democratic saying from Chicago?

      Vote early and often!

      What's a matter, not enough ballet box stuffing for you?

      Now the States will be able to verify a person's citizenship before voting!!!

      Hardly Jim Crow.

    12. We all saw the millions of poor, and disenfranchised standing in line for hours. Now, show me the Study that gives "Tens of Thousands" of illegals voted. Anywhere, Anytime.

      Jim Crow, Republican asshole.

    13. LOL

      maybe next time they won't get to vote illegally...

  25. Times have changed Ruf. No sane person wants to stop a legitimate voter. The just want to bite the coin to see that it is real. The country was sick with racism when the laws were passed. The patient has recovered. There is no going back. No one wants to go back, but if the patient has recovered, get them off unnecessary medication.

    I am talking about something Quite different.

    1. Of course the republicans want to keep legitimate voters, if they're young, women, or minorities, from voting, Deuce.

      Let's not insult our own intelligence pretending otherwise. We see it all the time.

      And, there's no doubt that the "recovering" patient has relapsed. ODS has the Southern racism fever running higher than at any time since the Sixties. We can see that, also.

    2. The IRS attack on Tea Party groups was nothing but reverse voter suppression.

      No decent American wants to see any LEGAL voter not vote.

      But illegal voting? No.

      Scores of illegals, who didnt even speak English, being lead into polling places and not having to prove ID let alone citizenship is not fair or free elections.

      You speak of proof?

      The Justice dept's allowing the New Black Panther case to be dropped after it won....

    3. You're not ezzackly keeping up on the IRS/301C4 deal, are you boobie? It seems that they were also targeting groups with the words "progressive," and "blue" in their name. Haven't you noticed that Issa has gone silent?

      And, as for that 4th paragraph: that's nonsense. Show some proof.

    4. No more time wasted on the legal system.

      Time to fight back, time to retake the system back from the "community organizers" and give it back to the community.

      Looters verse producers.

  26. The Democrats pull that bogeyman out to scare the old ladies to get out the vote.

  27. Obama, through executive edict, doesn’t need the voters in the public or in Congress to do what he wants. That is far more important to me than the red herring on voter registration.

    1. Putting obstacles in the way of one's right to vote is Not a "red herring."

    2. Ask the Tea Party....

      Illegal IRS intimidation....

      Talk about illegals voting.

      Talk about districts in PA that had 110% voter turnout with 100% going democratic...

      No fraud when it's the democrats stuffing the ballet box?

      Al Franken?

      Let's steal an election.... SO says the Democratic machine

    3. Show some proof on that 110% turnout. You can't; it's nonsense.

      As for the second part: It's not unusual for a Black Precinct to go 100% Democratic. How crazy would a poor, black person have to be to vote for a Romney?

    4. The days of "proof" are over.

      The commies have taken over.

      As obama says, you dont take a knife to a gun fight.

      Lesson learned.

    5. Time to organize the Hispanics against the Blacks.

      It's a culture war alright.

      Latino's? Overwhelmingly old school & Catholic. Strong family.

      This will be fun.

    6. Let's make sure the new minorities start businesses in black areas.

      That will piss off the Milton Street types.

      Old script with predictable results.

    7. Not racist.

      My agenda aint about race.

      It's about looters verses producers.

      but al you see is race.


    8. How crazy would a poor, black person have to be to vote for a Romney?

      Well if he had a brain?

      Not crazy at all.

    9. "Organize the Hispanics versus the Blacks"

      Nope, no racism There.

    10. Then, "looters vs. producers"


    11. That aint "racism" it's liberating the Hispanics from the plantation.

      Marginalizing one group's power against another is the American way...

      And after 8 years of Obama? Black America will be poorer, more unemployed, More depressed than in 20 years. So now it's pure pavlovian theory. Blacks must be taught when they vote their own or democrats in power they get screwed.

      With any luck? They will start staying home on their own accord understanding that the professional Black leadership only screws them (democrat party that is)

    12. Rufus IITue Jun 25, 09:02:00 PM EDT
      Then, "looters vs. producers"


      Again, Looters verse Producers has NOTHING to do with race.

      It's free men (and women) against those that seek the government to take care of them.

      No skin color, no faith, no orientation required.

      But all you see is race.

      That's cause you are the bigot, not I

    13. Seems it's you Rufus that disagrees with the highest court in the land.

  28. The days of proof are over.


    Especially, when you HAVE NO Proof.

    1. You have a Holder Justice Department.

      Proof and truth do not matter.


      Dont waste time playing yesterday's game.

    2. Well maybe play the Democrat's game..

      Hire private dicks, get sealed records unsealed, wire tap with listening devices any democrat you can find...

      All democrat ways and means...

    3. Remember Eric Holder?

      Nation of cowards?

      new Black Panther Party?

      Fast and Furious?


    4. You're an ignorant, hick, racist motherfucker; I'm through. I'm disgusted, and ashamed that I share a country with you, much less a blog list.

    5. LOL you are funny...

    6. Ha ha ha

      This is surely the image in the mirror!

      To take your mind off things Ruf, before you get arrested for offing Q, here is this -

      from and old friend in Vegas, who is trying to get a car for my Hindu niece in Germany, land of peace freedom an libertarians, know that it has nuclear weapons pointed at it from England, France and Russia.

      We are both racists, she and I, that is why we trying to get her a car, and I have hired an attorney for her to get the hospitals bills off her beautiful back.

      She is married, the friend in Vegas, to a Lutheran Jew. I am not making this up. I don't think he goes to either synagogue or church though. A hard worker, he seems to sleep in on weekends. He can't stand muzzies either and my old friend tells me his political opinions and mine can go dancing without a false step.

      We are all racists here.

      If you scroll around on the link you can find a great pic of the moon over Nevada.

      bob, Aryan Nations Commander Unit 1 Worley, Idaho PO Box 1 Idaho.

    7. But don't harm your eyes on the moonshine Ruf, or my Hindu niece may come to your aid from Hamburg, Germany.

      We can't have that, though she would do it, even for an ignorant belly builder like you.

      b, ANCUnit 1, Worley Idaho, PO Box 1, Idaho

    8. >>>Hi!

      Slept most of the day. Am praying your are well, as I always do. My old friend from Vegas and I are trying to figure out a car for u. But I need to know do u have a credit card?

      I know you must be exhausted.

      I am researching the ocean currents from the Americas to Africa. I think I may be able to swim there in about a pool time of four months, sharks allowing. Then allow a month for the hike.

      I am taking out life insurance in your name.

      polar bear hugs and sloppy kisses

      uncle bob<<<

      Just reporting in to Commander Deuce as commanded.

      The NSA knows it you can too.

      Saluting from AYCamp One, Worley, Idaho.

      Come join us! Make us two.


  29. Rufus, your 'ideas' are silly. I am trying to not call you an idiot.

    You are simply unread. All this has been talked over many times before. It is not about economics.

    The only meaningful things in human life are the meetings of human hearts in mutual concern and compassion and love. That lasts, into the hereinafter in which you have no knowledge nor do not believe.

    It is simply not political. It is not economical. It is, ban the word!, spiritual.

    It is Beginning.

    But this is, ban the word, poetry.