“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Monday, October 15, 2012

Klein: Clinton-Obama rift intensifies after Libya, Obama’s debate performance

A nasty rift has opened up between President Barack Obama, former President Bill Clinton, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over the fallout from the terrorist attacks on the U.S. consulate in Libya that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens. This feud may undermine and threaten Obama’s reelection chances.

Obama and Clinton both do not want to be held responsible for the negligence before and the cover-up after the Libya attacks. Clinton biographer Ed Klein on Friday reported that Bill Clinton, sensing Obama’s political team wants to pin legal and political blame on the State Department and Hillary Clinton, has been working on doomsday and contingency scenarios “to avoid having Benghazi become a stain on her political fortunes should she decide to run for president in 2016.”

“If relations between Obama’s White House and Hillary’s State Department rupture publicly over the growing Benghazi scandal, that could damage the Democratic ticket and dim Obama’s chances for re-election,” Klein writes.

According to Klein’s sources, Bill Clinton has assembled an informal legal team in case there are cables or other evidence that would legally implicate Hillary. Klein also told The Daily Caller that Bill has even considered advising Hillary to resign if the Obama administration tries to make her the “scapegoat.”
On Friday, there were signs the White House was preparing to do to throw Hillary Clinton and the State Department under the bus. 
White House press secretary Jay Carney, when asked if Obama and Biden had "never been briefed" about the fact that more security was needed in Libya, essentially blamed the State Department, saying, “matters of security personnel are appropriately discussed and decided upon at the State Department by those responsible for it.”

Carney repeated a variation of this line throughout the press briefing. 

Carney's comments came a day after Vice President Joe Biden not only contradicted State Department officials but himself threw the intelligence community under the bus when he said the Obama administration did not know U.S. interests in Libya needed more security before the attacks and that the intelligence community changed its story after.

Hillary Clinton went to a Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) conference on the Middle East and North Africa Friday and tried to deflect blame from herself and the State Department -- some damage control of her own. 

She insisted the United States cannot guarantee “perfect security” for its diplomats overseas, though Stevens is the first ambassador to have been murdered overseas since 1979 under the Carter administration.

“We will never prevent every act of violence or terrorism, or achieve perfect security,” Clinton said. “Our people cannot live in bunkers and do their jobs.”

Clinton then claimed the reaction of the Middle East street “supports rather than discredits the promise of the Arab Spring.” Americans, she asserted, needed to look at the “full picture” and not just the “violent acts of a small number of extremists against the aspirations and actions of the region's people and governments” that are in the headlines.

Clinton said Americans "cannot sacrifice accuracy to speed" in finding out the facts that led to the Libya attacks, and the Middle East cannot "return to the false choice between freedom and stability.”
Klein writes that the long-simmering feud between Obama and the Clintons has only gotten worse after the Democratic National Convention. The bad blood between Obama and the Clinton family dates back to the 2008 Democratic primary, and Obama's advisers had to convince Obama to give Clinton a prominent role at the convention. 

Klein writes “the latest quarrel began when Clinton heard that Obama was behaving so cocky about his first debate against Mitt Romney that he wasn’t taking his debate prep seriously.”

Clinton offered to give Obama some advice, and Obama brushed him off.

Klein writes “the former president was dumbfounded that Obama had ignored his offer, and his hurt feelings quickly boiled over into anger.”

“Bill thought that he and Obama were on friendly terms after the convention,” a source told Klein. “He couldn’t believe that the White House didn’t even extend him the courtesy of a return phone call. He concluded that Obama’s arrogance knows no bounds.”

There is no love lost between Obama and the Clintons, and they could mutually destroy their political futures in the days ahead. Team Obama could destroy Hillary Clinton's 2016 prospects by scapegoating her for the Libya attacks. But Hillary Clinton, by potentially resigning or pointing to evidence that implicates Obama and Biden, can just as easily torpedo Obama’s chances at getting reelected. 






  1. This video clip is an unimpeachable timeline on the Benghazi attack and intended coverup by the Obama Administration. It puts a lie to Biden’s and Obama’s assertions in their debate and public appearances.

    By all current indications, Obama is trying to cut the damage by having Hillary Clinton take the fall.

  2. The attack on the American consulate in Benghazi was the first successful terror action directly against United States’ interests since 9/11. The media hardly noticed that the president had been skipping national security briefings before the attack, or that he flew off the next day for a Las Vegas fundraiser. By the time U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice’s laughable assertion that the attack was a spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim film was discredited, and reports surfaced of previous security issues at the consulate, including ignored warnings, the media had moved on to more important things. - Human Events

  3. Under the bus

    The White House is throwing Hillary Clinton under the 2012 election bus.

    Top officials have already claimed the nation’s intelligence agencies did not alert the White House to the growing danger facing the State Department’s facility in Benghazi, Libya, which was destroyed Sept. 11 by a jihadi attack on the 11th anniversary of the atrocities in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
    The claim was repeated Oct. 11 by Vice President Joe Biden during the vice presidential debate in Danville, Ky. “We weren’t told they wanted more security,” he announced.

    Ben Rhodes, President Barack Obama’s deputy national security adviser for communications, extended the claim Oct. 11 by telling told Foreign Policy magazine that neither Biden nor President Barack Obama knew of the growing danger.

    “Biden speaks only for himself and the president and neither of them knew about the requests at the time,” Rhodes said, according to Foreign policy.

    “These kinds of issues are handling in the State Department by security officials,” White House spokesman Jay Carney said during Friday’s press briefing.

    Security matters “are decided at the State Department,” he said, amid tough questioning from Fox News Channel’s Ed Henry.

  4. @ BC:

    8. CharlesWhite said...

    "Romney may be getting handed him a bad, bad situation, 9/11 size problem in his first several weeks in office."


    I replied:

    What on Earth Could Lead You to that conclusion?

    Rules of engagement

    Approximate location of bombing, Aden Harbor, Yemen

    The destroyer's rules of engagement, as approved by the Pentagon, kept its guards from firing upon the small boat (which was not known to be loaded with explosives) as it neared them without first obtaining permission from the Cole's captain or another officer.[36]

    Petty Officer John Washak said that right after the blast, a senior chief petty officer ordered him to turn an M-60 machine gun on the Cole' fantail away from a second small boat approaching.

    "With blood still on my face," he said, he was told: "That's the rules of engagement: no shooting unless we're shot at." He added, "In the military, it's like we're trained to hesitate now.

    If somebody had seen something wrong and shot, he probably would have been court-martialed."

    Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft "we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing seventeen American sailors."


    President Bill Clinton declared, "If, as it now appears, this was an act of terrorism, it was a despicable and cowardly act. We will find out who was responsible and hold them accountable". Some critics have pointed out that, under U.S. law, an attack against a military target does not meet the legal definition of terrorism[37]

    In Afghanistan the bombing was a "great victory for bin Laden.

    Al-Qaeda camps ... filled with new recruits, and contributors from the Gulf States arrived ... with petrodollars."[18]

    The 9/11 Commission Report cites one source who said in February 2001, "[bin Laden] complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked [in response to the Cole]...

    Bin Laden wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger."[39]


    Ah for the days of President Willie and Ambassador Bodine...

  5. Great White/Black Father Chief Plenty Tongues is going to eat crow on this one if Chief Fancy Underwear has the sense to stick it to him in the debate.

    And it is truly wonderful to see Hillary, who has thrown so many under so many buses, feel the crunch of the wheels her darling self.

    The hyenas are starting to eat each others guts.

    The democratic chickens are coming home to roost.

    The mills of the gods grind slowly, but exceedingly fine.

    Karma is a bitch.

    Gotta love it.

    1. Bob said...

      "Karma is a bitch.

      Gotta love it."


      Yeah, can't wait to see what old Bob gets slapped with for that "Chief Fancy Underwear"

    2. Forgive me Doug. I had been reading plenty about Chief Plenty Coups last night, and their way of speaking....well, it just slipped out.

      He was an admirable man, I believe.

    3. You know also that I am an admirable man:

      You are forgiven, my son.

  6. I hope like hell the bitch does resign, throwing a big hissy fit on the way out. She probably won't though. Can't see what real good it would do her. She and The National Rapist probably have it figured B-HO is going to lose anyway.

  7. Hillary Clinton then claimed the reaction of the Middle East street “supports rather than discredits the promise of the Arab Spring.”

    Absolute lu-lu land.

    Clinton then said the Middle East cannot "return to the false choice between freedom and stability.”

    I don't know what universe she is living in but it isn't the common one of our mutual daylight, where Freedom does not equal Sharia.

  8. I got your post and some text linked @ BC, then I posted another comment repeating your Human Events Quote.

    So far, evidently the miserable fucking inhuman filter has kept it from appearing.

    The MSM Press has more liberal commenting policies than Fucking Pajamas!

    1. It's there now, there must have been some human intervention.

      I know for sure in a previous thread a computer rejected as spam, my edited addition of a reply to that French Gal, throwing out my comment and the addition.

      I then posted the exact same reply, but included her name and the number of her comment:

      It was accepted!!!

      ...but I still had a rather involved reply to Morton Doodslog, or whoever, thrown out in the process.

      ...I gave up.

  9. .

    For those who have been following the story of Malala Yousufzai,

    ISLAMABAD — Pakistan airlifted a 14-year-old activist who was shot and seriously wounded by the Taliban to the United Kingdom for treatment Monday, a move that will give her access to the specialized medical care she needs to recover and also protect her from follow-up attacks threatened by the militants.

    The attack on Malala Yousufzai as she was returning home from school in Pakistan's northwest a week ago has horrified people both across the country and abroad. It has also sparked hope the government would respond by intensifying its fight against the Taliban and their allies...

    Malala was targeted by the Taliban for promoting girls' education and criticizing the militant group. Two of Malala's classmates were also wounded in the attack and are receiving treatment in Pakistan.

    The Taliban said they attacked Malala because she was promoting "Western thinking" and have threatened to target her again until she is killed...

    14 Year Old Shot by the Taliban Moved to UK Hospital

    In another story, if it hasn't been commented on here, one member of the Pussy Riot troika was released the other day on appeal.

    (She wishes to thank the support she received from the EB)


    1. Misogynist Doug thinks she got what she deserved.

    2. .

      You should always take the time to clarify your posts Mysogynist Doug.

      There were two stories and two girls in the post you responded to.

      If your statement applied to the second, it could be considered somewhat reactionary. If it applied to the first, it could only be classified as sick.


    3. Misogynists have no time for details:
      If I was right about the first, that's good enough for me.

    4. ...I say this looking at a picture of my wife, taken in late September, looking perfectly happy with her cute little smile and her beautiful Strawberry Hair.

      ...and knowing that if she had been in the loving CARE of two femail Docs, alas, only found when it was too late, one Harvard Educated, and one trained at Mayo, instead of the two Male Bastard "Doctors" that got her a biopsy 2 years too late, (among numerous other malpractices) she would be alive and still smiling today.

    5. "female"
      ...that species I hate so much.

    6. Would that The Butler should be so well treated by the Vatican!

      Free The Butler!

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    8. .

      Everyone here feels bad for you and your loss, Dougo. I've been married to my wife for 30 years and don't know what I'd do without her. Can't imagine what you are going through.

      Also, can't imagine what that has to do with a young Pakastani girl speaking out against Taliban fundamentalism and bigotry who is shot in the head while riding on a school bus by Taliban thugs who when they fail to kill her promise to keep on trying.


    9. Hey Doug

      for what it's worth, I lost my first wife to a medical malpractice 17 years ago (internal hemorraging from a botched liver biopsy).

      Anyway, if you ever want to vent off line, I will be glad to listen.

    10. It's called "Sarcasm," Q.

      ...I assumed you had heard of it.

    11. Thanks, Gag.

      Not pleasant at all, is it.

    12. .


      Well, keep trying. You may get the hang of it someday.


  10. @BC:

    Peter Boston said:

    ...or in the alternative, liberal idiocy has reached escape velocity and we are all headed off to nowhere man has been before.


    That confirms I am one sick puppy:

    I laughed hysterically.

    ...or maybe it's just that the drinking hour has arrived in Paradise.

  11. His entire comment, which I deem worthy of reposting here:

    11. Peter Boston

    The Obama admin is either the apogee of liberal idiocy with a return to reality beginning in November, or in the alternative, liberal idiocy has reached escape velocity and we are all headed off to nowhere man has been before.

    One would think it uncomplicated enough for even a Women’s Studies PhD. Stop obfuscating the obvious and stop denying the obviously true. Alas, even this may become beyond our reach.

  12. .

    Around the country, Republican operatives have been making moves to keep Mr. Johnson from becoming their version of Ralph Nader, the Green Party candidate whose relatively modest support cut into Al Gore’s 2000 vote arguably enough to help hand the decisive states of Ohio and Florida to George W. Bush.

    The fear of Mr. Johnson’s tipping the outcome in an important state may explain why an aide to Mr. Romney ran what was effectively a surveillance operation into Mr. Johnson’s efforts over the summer to qualify for the ballot at the Iowa State Fair, providing witnesses to testify in a lawsuit to block him that ultimately fizzled.

    Libertarians suspect it is why Republican state officials in Michigan blocked Mr. Johnson from the ballot after he filed proper paperwork three minutes after his filing deadline.

    And it is why Republicans in Pennsylvania hired a private detective to investigate his ballot drive in Philadelphia, appearing at the homes of paid canvassers and, in some cases, flashing an F.B.I. badge — he was a retired agent — while asking to review the petitions they gathered at $1 a signature, according to testimony in the case and interviews.

    The challenge in Pennsylvania, brought by state Republican Party officials who suspected that Democrats were secretly helping the effort to get Mr. Johnson on the ballot, was shot down in court last week, bringing to 48 the number of states where Mr. Johnson will compete on Nov. 6...

    No Room at the Inn


    1. Fucking Rat and Rufie think Dems fucking The American People in this way is just fine.

      ...agreeing with POTUS that there is nothing exceptional about this country that can't be improved via a Union Thugocracy.

    2. The Deciding Vote for Obamacare was provided by Senator Al Franken.

      Proven by history to have been a bogus victory.

    3. ...and Rufie thinks courts having Supremacy despite the Constition is just fine.

      ...for Traitors

    4. Rasmussen Reports

      Romney. 181
      Obama. 237

      The Judges could be impeach, the Courts defunded, if the GOP agreed with you, Dougo. The GOP controls the purse, has for the past two years.

    5. .

      You know my views on both major parties.

      However, the reality is that if Ron Paul had run as an independent, we wouldn't be wasting time talking about who was going to win but merely about the implications of that win.


    6. Yup, everyone knows your views, tinhorn. You voted for a bunch of laughing stocks in an important election. You need one of them NLP approved voter required sanity brain scans. You'd fail.

      Buck Buckett

    7. Tinhorn paleface got no brain to scan.

      Chief Plenty Coups

    8. .

      The Three Faces of Bob: DID the Sad Story

      Disassociative Identity Disorder (DID) is characterized by symptoms that include memory lapses, blackouts, being often accused of lying, finding apparently strange items among one's possessions, having apparent strangers recognize them as someone else, feeling unreal, and feeling like more than one person.

      Not sure what the record number of alters is for multiple personality disorders, Bob, but you are unique in that yours talk to each other.


    9. At least your wife has a brain that could be scanned.

      There you are, telling us all how we ought to be worried about the coming American Police State, and you vote laughingstock.

      If you're so worried about a Police State, you would have done much better to vote for the Libertarians.

      In your context, at least your putative context, that at least would make some sense.

      You've made an utter fool of yourself, even in your own terms.

      the Natural Law Party tie all their "solutions" to products of the Transcendental Meditation movement. Although most people remember learning TM for as little as $25, basic instruction in TM in the United States today costs $1,200 -- for mantras available in numerous cheap paperbacks and a method indistinguishable from the one that teachers have offered for free for millenia! And learning TM is just the beginning: Members in good standing are expected to spend tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars for "advanced" meditation techniques, levitation courses, regular meditation retreats, monthly "health food" supplements, alternative medicine consultations, faith healing, astrology sessions, lucky gems, sacrifices to Hindu gods, Hindu-based architectural consultations and construction, and more. There is no aspect of a TMer's life for which the Maharishi has not suggested extremely expensive products. The Natural Law Party is lobbying Congress for the funds to keep 7,000 lucky TMers subsidized for all these products as a means to ensure peace for the nation -- leaving the American tax-payer to foot the bill for hundreds of billions of dollars! And this doesn't even begin to take into account the most costly part of the Natural Law Party's platform -- the loss of America's priceless constitutional freedoms.

      O, I get it now. You are an employed salesmen for these cockroaches. Taking up where you left off after SoulsRUs went tits up.

      You should truly be ashamed of yourself.

    10. I concur.


    11. Me concur too.

      Chief Plenty Coups

    12. .

      You have proven yourself to be the complete idiot three times over.

      Politically, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. If you did, you wouldn't settle for seven year old wiki articles to form your opinions on political parties. If you did, you would have known that there was no Libertarian presidential candidate on the ballot in Michigan, as a matter of fact, I mentioned as much a couple days ago. If you did, you would also have known that there was no NLP presidential candidate on the Michigan ballot.

      You are a nitwit, the three of you.


    13. Well hell, you were asked who you voted for as President. You said ohmmmm, so what are we, the three of us, to think? You're in Michigan, we assumed you voted there.

      So, again, exactly, spell it out, for whom did you vote for President? What is the name of that person. You said your wife voted Romney.

      Wiki article? Hell, there were dozens. Just picked one out.

      We don't keep up on who is on every last ballot in every state.

      We assumed ohmmmm means ohmmmm.

      Maybe you were just taking a shit.

    14. .

      You know what they say about when you ass u me.


  13. That the GOP has taken niether course make them trakitors, too?

    Get a grip on reality, dougie

    1. Mr. Rockefeller Prep School Guy.

    2. Come on, dougo, those GOP representitives in the House are running up HUGE deficits. They control the purse, since the election in 2010, yet there have been no spending cuts, only increasingly larger deficits. These Boehner/Ryan deficits are killing our economy!

  14. Boys, here's your fatass femlib lesbian settler transcendental vegetarian meditator only a q could like that's to 'moderate' the coming debate -

    As NewsBusters has been noting all Saturday morning, now that Paul Ryan has been chosen as Mitt Romney's running mate, the goal of the Obama-loving media is to rip him to shreds.

    Doing her part Saturday was CNN's Candy Crowley who claimed some Republicans (unnamed, of course) think this "looks a little bit like some sort of ticket death wish."

    Crowley's comments are in keeping with the media's past treatment of GOP vice presidential nominees. Here's a quick look at how the media have always echoed Democratic talking points against everyone from Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle to Dick Cheney and Jack Kemp.

    Transcript of Crowley's remarks is below:

    CANDY CROWLEY, CNN: We’ve already had this debate. All they have to do at Obama Reelect is open up the files because this debate has already happened. They just bring it back, it goes, it is, you know, what they talk about. But I think the other thing that’s worth pointing out is not every Republican has signed on to this kind of, I mean, they will publicly. But there is some trepidation…

    GLORIA BORGER, CNN: They're afraid.

    CROWLEY: ...that this might be, looks a little bit like some sort of ticket death wish. That, oh, my gosh, do we really want to talk about these thing? Is this where we want to go when the economy is so bad? We could have stayed on that.

    A ticket death wish?

    Readers are advised this came right after CNN's Gloria Borger called Ryan "a polarizing figure."

    Is this how the folks at CNN think they're going to improve their continually declining ratings?

    Please also see "Romney Introduces Ryan As 'The Next POTUS' - Will Media Mention Obama Did Same Thing in 2008?"

    *****Update: The second paragraph of an earlier version of this piece read, "Doing her part Saturday was CNN's Candy Crowley who said that this 'looks a little bit like some sort of ticket death wish.'" Also, the original title was, "CNN's Candy Crowley: Ryan Pick 'Looks a Little Bit Like Some Sort of Ticket Death Wish.'"

    The piece has been changed to better reflect Crowley's claim that this is coming from Republicans even though she didn't name any.

    This of course is a common strategy by media members to impart their own opinions by saying they came from nameless others.

    Read more:

    Told you.

    Damn fucking media and democrats I'd rather listen to the cows belch.


    1. Hugh Hewitt considers her fair and balanced.

      Mr. Beltway Republican, exiled to CA, where he supported the corrupt idiot Mayor of LA, ex-gang member, 4 time law exam failure, Tony Villar.
      Villagarosa, his wife's name before she became ex-wife after he became a Serial Alduterer with any "Hispanic" Newsreader willing to fuck his miserable ass.

  15. .

    Trolls, an alternate view. Another attack on free speech, this time from the bestest newspaer ever?



    1. Vote NLP, where your speech is controlled by your TM minder.

  16. We really shouldn't be talking about the Benghazi fuck up. It detracts from the more important issues surrounding Big Bird.

    taken from Mark Steyn, analyzing the issue from the democratic party/Obama point of view

  17. Akin making a comeback?

    Anything possible in Missouri.

    1. ...I'm now also listening to Harland Williams free broadcast as well as Carolla's.

      Yet another crazy Canuck ex-pat comedian, who refers to them as "Plumbs"

      ...or "Presidential Plumbs" in the case of POTUS.

  18. 20. Art Chance

    I’m not nearly as self-centered and ruthless as the Lady MacBeth of Little Rock, but I know very well how to lead my bureaucratic superiors right off a cliff and escape being held accountable for their demise. It is a skill most any high-level ‘crat has because it is very hard to become and remain a high-level ‘crat unless you have it. Don’t ask me how I know!

    Now, let’s examine the background: HRC was poised to become POTUS; if she’d won the nomination, there is no way in Hell that old wreck McCain was going to beat her. The people who were backing that black punk kid got some sort of goods on Bill and/or Hill and whispered, “nice life you have there, shame if something happened to it.” Now even if you have something big on her and her hubby, HRC is a dangerous beast that you’d rather have inside the tent peeing out than outside the tent peeing in. So, you make her SoS and let Bubba be the glamorous elder statemen on the condition they kiss the ring. Being forced to eat a sh*t sandwich like that makes people like Bill and Hill really, really angry.

    So, I’m HRC and I have my fashionably gay ambassador in a Muslim country that is all but completely in anarchy. My ambassador is screaming bloody murder about the security situation and asking through the usual low-level bureaucratic processes for more security, security that he won’t get because in a Democrat administration, process ‘crats have no authority, so they have an automatic resort to SOP and an automatic “no” to any deviation from SOP; you heard that pitiful woman saying she’d followed procedure and they had what they were supposed to have. But, because I’m a ruthless and angry harridan, I’m well aware of my bosses’ disengagement and his complete distain for any details or much of any real work. So, to cover my butt, I write a nice comprehensive memo that I know will go into his briefing package but I know equally well that he isn’t likely to read it, or understand and act on it if he does. In the unlikely event that he reads it and acts, well then, the Libyan ambassador gets more security and I wait for another opportunity. But, if as is his wont, he doesn’t bother, and something bad happens, I know he’s going to try to blame it on me and when he does, I’m going to whip out that memo warning him and begging him to help my poor embattled gay ambassador and kill the pretentious SOB with it while escaping any responsibility and being made into some sort of hero by my many supporters for trying to cut through the bureaucratic clutter and help my poor ambassador. (I’m thinking BHO may already know she has that memo and that’s why he’s trying to throw Patraeus et al. under the bus rather than HRC.)

    I’m thinking that Hill and Bill are thinking that after four more years of BHO, Americans won’t elect another Democrat for a generation. If Romney wins, all Hell is going to break out in the Country – I remember how the left behaved in Reagan’s first term, we’ll see several multiples of that complete with violence that we didn’t have back then. Then Hill is poised to give us the proven successful two fer one ticket in ’16.

    1. I knew that he was a true blue Muzzie Lover, highly educated, and all, but I did not know he was "fashionably gay"

      No prob for Progressives:
      Just another Fag Sodomized and Murdered by the ROP.

  19. Time for Limbaugh.
    I'll finally get some sleep, listening to someone who agrees with me.

  20. No Recovery here, says Welch:

    Auto Sales Highest since 2008

    Retail Sales through the roof (two months running)

    Unemployment rate, plunging

    Jobless Claims, dropping rapidly

    Treasury Budget, In Surplus - first time since 2008

    That Jack Welch; boy, what a Seer, eh?

  21. I gave one link; it had pretty graphs, and everything. But, here's another one just for Doug.

    (it's the pretty RED Letters, Doug.)

    Retail Sales - Bloomberg

    1. Or, in this case, pretty Blue letters, I guess.

  22. Boehner/Ryan, traitors to the Republic, if judged by the dougo standard

  23. "If Felix Baumgartner can jump from 24 miles high and break the sound barrier, why can't humans drink 32 oz Sodas in New York?"


  24. My deepest sympathies, doug, to bad the Health Care system you praised and have so vigorously defended let you and yours fall through the cracks.

  25. Why don't we talk about the hundreds of Marines, and Soldiers that Are NOT being killed in Iraq this month?

  26. Or, how about that 167 people that Bain Capital, and Romney, are putting out of work in Freeport, Il, as they Move the Factory to China?

  27. No one wants to discuss Romney, rufus.

    Those that oppose US intervention abroad, ignore Romney's statements about the subject.

    Those that oppose Free Trade with Chinaa, rather than support FairTrade with China, ignore Romney's business record, past and present.

    Those that oppose Federal bailouts and subsidies, ignore Romney's business record.

    Those that oppose ObamaCare ignore Romney's record in. Mass and his campaigning for health care vouchers on the Federal level, in 2009. Calling it the Conservative solution.

    No rufus, no one wants to discuss Mr Romney nor his record. Especially his tax avoidance and Swiss and Cayman Island accounts

    1. I suppose not, Rat. :)

      I think I'm more excited about the auto sales numbers than anything else.

    2. I mean, think about it, doubling your MPG is the same as cutting the price of gas in half.

      When you go from $4,000.00/yr for gasoline to $2,000.00/yr it makes a difference. (trust me on this one) :)

    3. Good thinking, Ruf!


      Write a textbook now, "Gas Mileage and the Price of Gas 101'

    4. Remember to include a chapter on tire inflation, and rotation, too.

    5. And, include a chapter, with graph, showing your chances of surviving a 20 mph crash in a total tin can car (TTCC) versus chances in an old Lincoln Continental, and car weights in between.

    6. I run my tires at 42 psi, and I don't plan on playing chicken with any old Lincolns (there aren't many of those left on the road, anyway - anyone poor enough to drive one can't afford the gas.)

  28. you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground

    Tweet tweet tweet


    q said we don't know our ass from a hole in the ground.

    Not fair!

    I remember months, maybe years, ago, when I said "Quirk you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground", he complained to you.

    We wish to file a complaint.

    His sin is worse, the copy cat.

    1. .

      I remember months, maybe years, ago, when I said "Quirk you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground", he complained to you.

      Bob, you have lost it. I'll leave it to Deuce as to whether I have ever complained 'to him' requesting any action 'by him' regarding someone's post here. If I have a complaint, I voice it directly not like you and some of the other girly-men here who whine to Deuce and ask that people be rebuke or even banned.

      As to the quote, you have the circumstances completely reversed. Go ask your two buds. Maybe one of them will remember.

      Lord, you are a wuss.


    REP Romney, Mitt 3 S Cottage Rd
    Belmont, MA 02478 09/08/2012 Convention
    DEM Obama, Barack 5046 S Greenwood Ave
    Chicago, IL 60615 09/09/2012 Convention
    UST Goode, Jr., Virgil H. 90 E Church St
    Rocky Mount, VA 24151 06/18/2012 Convention
    GRN Stein, Jill 17 Trotting Horse Ln
    Lexington, MA 02421 07/16/2012 Convention
    NLP Anderson, Ross C. 418 Douglas St
    Salt Lake City, UT 84102

    from the Michigan Secretary of State Office

    If you did, you would have known that there was no Libertarian presidential candidate on the ballot in Michigan

    What the fuck?

    1. .

      I checked it out at the SOS myself and you are correct. However, I could have sworn 'ol Rocky wasn't on the ballot. As a matter of fact, I commented on it to my wife.

      Not that I planned to vote for the NLP anyway. Just liked seeing you piss and moan about the possibility for the past few months. Lord, you are easy.

      It's kind of like the being a vegan thing. I once posted a few vegan recipes trying to impress Mel and someone asked me if I was a vegan. I said, 'Sure' in an attempt at sarcasm (achieving the same level of success Doug usually does) and within a couple of minutes had three or four people commenting on it and giving me a hard time. So I let it ride. I still figured it might impress Mel only to find out later that she isn't even a vegan. Go figure.

      Anyway since there is no hope the NLP has a chance for promoting their message in any official political capacity, they remain 100% better than either of the major parties.



  30. q

    My mistake above.

    q's whole quote here -

    You have proven yourself to be the complete idiot three times over.

    Politically, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. If you did, you wouldn't settle for seven year old wiki articles to form your opinions on political parties. If you did, you would have known that there was no Libertarian presidential candidate on the ballot in Michigan, as a matter of fact, I mentioned as much a couple days ago. (((((If you did, you would also have known that there was no NLP presidential candidate on the Michigan ballot.)))))

    You are a nitwit, the three of you.

  31. Either the Michigan Secretary of State has his/her head up his/her ass, q does, or something has gone terribly wrong with the world.

  32. Matt Taibbi famously dubbed Goldman "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money." ....

    The news flash is that Goldman Sachs has revealed her new, softer side. She has become Ms. Good in the Sack and she wants us all to know that she has feelings and she is terribly hurt by the way she is being taken for granted, treated coldly, and made fun of as a "fat" feline. The cruelest blow is that Ms. Good in the Sack suffered these indignities at the hands of the handsome new guy who escorted her to the presidential ball. Her BFF, the tall, dark and handsome guy who was exotic without seeming too dangerous -- the kind of guy her dad always warned her never to date -- has betrayed her. No sooner had she gotten in a serious relationship with Obama that helped him climb to the top of the social order than she saw him flirting with that skank -- Ms. Liberal.

    Ms. Liberal is notoriously easy. She is always eager to jump in the sack with any Democratic president who pretends to care about her mind and ideas. Democratic presidents always take her for granted the next morning and even mock her, but Ms. Liberal stands by her man.

    As soon as Ms. Good in the Sack let Obama have his way with her, he stopped calling her. Democrats! They're all alike. Ms. Good in the Sack has learned her lesson and is in a deeply committed relationship with the safe guy who is a member of Daddy's club. Republicans may not be exciting, but they know enough to date the rich guy's daughter and to "dance with them that brought them."

    1. Hell hath no fury like a maiden scorned. The WSJ article reveals what a cad Obama has been to Ms. Good in the Sack. He betrayed her for a tawdry one night stand with Ms. Liberal[:]

      In interviews with more than a dozen past and current Goldman executives, many said they felt betrayed by Democratic lawmakers and the White House....

    2. You may have thought I was jesting about Obama's failure to call once he had his way with Ms. Good in the Sack, but the facts do not lie[:]

      Resentments against the White House began, said senior Goldman executives, because the firm thought it would be consulted when the Obama administration began crafting regulations in response to the financial crisis. They weren't. Instead, they were surprised by a measure dubbed the Volcker rule, which would damage one of Goldman's lucrative businesses.

    3. The WSJ reporters, in order to demonstrate the extent of Ms. Good in the Sack's rage at Obama, quote Rick Hohlt, the financial lobbyist who became notorious during the savings and loan debacle and descended rapidly from that low point over the next twenty-five years[:]

      "Look at what he did -- he attacked those guys and made it personal," said Rick Hohlt, a financial-services lobbyist. "In the old days you give money because you want to have a seat at the table even if you get screwed. But they weren't even offering a seat at the table."

    4. See, Obama "screwed" Ms. Good in the Sack to get her money, got elected to the White House, and now refuses to even invite her to the White House for lunch. Democrats!

      The reality, of course, as recent "Washington insider" books by Bair, Barofsky, and Connaughton make clear, is that the Obama administration has been extraordinarily generous to the largest banks, including Ms. Good in the Sack. The shocking revelation is that this no longer suffices. Ms. Good in the Sack is a mistress who demands unconditional pandering. She demands that she be allowed to grow wealthy by defrauding her own customers with impunity and god forbid that any politician that takes her money ever adopt a regulation without giving her a private opportunity to veto it. Ms. Good in the Sack is the very model of modern American crony capitalism. She pretends to be tough but she is whiny and devoid of any sense of humor. She has lots of body issues so she is death on any politician who calls her a fat feline. Lo, how are the mighty fallen -- the great vampire squid has morphed into a jilted Valley Girl.

    5. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

    6. :)

      ...the great vampire squid has morphed into a jilted Valley Girl.

      Doesn't get much better than that.

    7. :)

      Yep, that's about as good as it gets.

      I wonder if William K. Black likes to drink beer? :)


  33. Mitt Romney doesn’t see dead people. But that’s only because he doesn’t want to see them; if he did, he’d have to acknowledge the ugly reality of what will happen if he and Paul Ryan get their way on healthcare.

    Last week, speaking to The Columbus Dispatch, Mr. Romney declared that nobody in America dies because he or she is uninsured: “We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance.” This followed on an earlier remark by Mr. Romney — echoing an infamous statement by none other than George W. Bush — in which he insisted that emergency rooms provide essential health care to the uninsured.

    These are remarkable statements. They clearly demonstrate that Mr. Romney has no idea what life (and death) are like for those less fortunate than himself.

    Even the idea that everyone gets urgent care when needed from emergency rooms is . . . . .

    Death by Ideology

  34. .

    Worried about Candy Crowley?

    Don't be. There is just one thing the two candidates agree on, no specifics/no follow-ups.

    After hearing that moderator Candy Crowley said she planned to pin the candidates down on specifics using follow-up questions, Obama and Romney signed a debate contract stating specifically that the moderator would not be allowed to ask follow-up questions.

    That makes Crowley merely a high-paid question reader. It makes the audiance the mushrooms that were mentioned earlier. However, the audiance will be served a generous helping of sound bites and kool-aid. Most will come away smiling and happy proclaiming in their ignorance that their guy had 'won'.

    These are the two dicks most here will be voting for.

    I suspect the post-debate conversation will center on which candidate got his mad on on most and which wore the nicest tie.



    1. I'm worried about you. q, do you, uh, do you know, er, what state you are in?

    2. q, what month is it?

      your friend, bob

    3. Who is our current President?

    4. What is your wife's middle name?

    5. What is your middle name?

    6. hmmm, q, are there any outstanding arrest warrants against you now?

    7. .

      Ah, Bob's back, the mushroom man. He's kept in the dark and fed shit but still happily announces, "Thank you, sir. May I have another?"


  35. The birth control pill works in 3 ways: It can stop ovulation, it can stop the sperm from entering the uterus, and, failing in the first two functions, it Prevents the Fertilized Egg from Attaching to the Uterine Wall.

    Think about that for a minute. Number 3 is, by definition, aborting a fertilized egg.

    1. While Governor of Massachusetts, Romney Vetoed a bill that would have made the "morning after" pill available for rape victims.

      If your wife or daughter was raped, Romney would have Not allowed the hospital to terminate any possible pregnancy.

  36. Yes, rufus, Mr Romney would change birth control as we know it.

    Said so to Mike Huckabee ...
    On TV


    2. Both Mr Ryan and Mr Akin were co-sponsers of the 'Sanctity of Human Life Act of 2009>

      Plainly outlaws the type of birth control pills rufus described. The GOP platform contains similar language.

      Both exemplify the GOP position, in fact they ARE the GOP position.

      MrRomney's position has changed with each different campaign he enters. What he told Huckabee, undeniable. It's on tape.

      To deny that he said it, a lie. For him to have said it, but not meant it, makes Romney the liar.

    3. .

      A politician lying? My, my, what's next?

      Romney 'the' liar?




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    1. Note:

      The previous comment was actually removed by Bob's conservator.

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  40. The Obama Breaking Point
    October 14, 2012 - 10:34 pm - by Victor Davis Hansen

    Was it the blame-gaming — “Bush did it!,” ATMs are at fault, tsunamis are the culprit, no other administration has had such challenges, the euro meltdown is to blame, earthquakes shook our confidence — that finally turned the country off of Obama?

    For the last two years, millions of Americans have grown, ever so insidiously, tired of Barack Obama and his administration. The Tea Party brought such frustrations to the fore. And now the debates — and the ability of Romney to show millions that he is a decent, competent alternative to Obama rather than the caricatured greedy white man of Obama’s sleazy ads — are closing the deal.

    In the first debate, Romney was not just far better-informed and spoken, but far more likeable. Joe Biden’s frenzied rudeness was the sort of debate performance that mesmerizes one by its very boorishness, eliciting a weird reaction in the room like “Come over and check this out: I can’t believe the Vice president of the United States is trumping The Joker” (after all, the sick Joker is more entertaining that the sober and judicious Batman) — but within hours leaves a bitter aftertaste in the mouth of something along the lines of “Surely, we could have done better than that rude buffoon?”

    The election is not over, but it is starting to resemble October 29 or November 1 in 1980, when, after just one debate, the nation at last decided that it really did not like Jimmy Carter very much or what he had done, and discovered that Ronald Reagan was not the mad Dr. Strangelove/Jefferson Davis of the Carter summer television ads. Like Carter, Obama both has no wish to defend his record (who would?) and is just as petulant. In the next three weeks, he has only three hours left to save his presidency.

    Do We Remember?

    There are lots or reasons why various groups are tiring of Obama. It is not just the economy, but also all the untruths about the economy over the last four years that sounded like daily communiqués from the Ministry of Truth. Do we even remember the brilliant Obama economic A-team, chomping at the bit in December 2008 to get started to pull us into the good times — a Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner (remember, he was the “genius” who almost alone knew how high finance on Wall Street worked and so had to be exempted from cheating on his tax deductions), Christina Romer, Peter Orszag, and, later, Austan Goolsbee, who have now all come and gone.

    When was “Recovery Summer”? What were the “shovel-ready jobs” that were “not as … uh … shovel-ready as we expected”? Where went the stimulus? How much are we owed by GM? What happened to the Volt? Where are the “millions of green jobs”? Did the green-shade Joe Biden really go through the stimulus line by line? And was he smirking and guffawing at what he saw?

    Do we remember the mad, obscene rantings of the “Truther” Van Jones or the Mao devotee Anita Dunn? How long have Rham Emanuel and Bill Daley been gone? For many, Obama has become one Steven Chu too many.

    1. Feet of Clay

      Or maybe Obama’s problem lies with the absurdly high expectations brought about by the faux-Greek columns, vero possumus!, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for,” and the promise to cool the planet and lower the seas — the sort of juvenile giddiness that brings embarrassment when one sobers up?

      Did we hear one tingle up the leg or one perfect crease of the pants or one “most brilliant president” too many? When Joe Biden and Harry Reid voiced quasi-racist commentary on Obama’s white blackness, they seemed to voice the liberal tingle that they could both embrace a black man and not embrace a black man, as if voting for Obama gave them exemption from worrying about their own apartheid existences, as cosmic inclusivity allowed private exclusiveness.

      Jacksonian without the Jackson

      The first time candidate Obama courted rappers, appeared on celebrity TV and radio shows, or hipped it up, it was thought “cool,” a sort of armor that would ensure that the normal political invective bounced off his in-the-know defenses. Now, four years later? We have a sort of Jacksonian White House, but visited by zillionaire entertainers and without the populism. When Obama leaves Netanyahu cooling his heels to hang with Jay-Z, Beyoncé, or the ladies of The View, or flies to Vegas on news that our ambassador has been murdered, it is either crass or juvenile or both. How, millions of Americans are starting to ask, did this man become president? With well over 400 rounds of golf and 200 fundraisers under his belt, no wonder Mr. Obama had to skip the national security briefings and the debate prep — what a “drag” they were.

      A Bright and Shining Lie?

      The sources of discontent are growing across the spectrum. Perhaps the disgruntled Left saw that promises about “don’t ask, don’t tell,” gay marriage, and amnesty only were kept late in Obama’s tenure when he had lost independents and needed, cynically, to rev up his base. Or was it that what in 2008 had come across as teleprompted eloquence, by 2011 was the same old monotonous and hackneyed “Make no mistake about!” and “Let me be perfectly clear!”?

      Liberals used to go gaga over the man who promised that Guantanamo and renditions would be part of our distant criminal past, only to gag that he has embraced and expanded almost every one of the Bush-Cheney protocols that he once demagogued. Obama even recruited Yale Law Dean Harold Koh, who used to sue the government on behalf of Guantanamo detainees, to write surreal briefs explaining why stepped-up Predator missions can quite legally vaporize American citizens suspected of terrorism, and why American planes dropping bombs over a foreign country do not constitute warlike acts. A Yale Law dean who does that is like the proverbial dog walking on two legs, eliciting wonder not just that it is done, but why it is even attempted.

      The once green Leftist who promised to bankrupt coal and whose energy secretary designate bragged about sending gas prices up to the “levels in Europe” now runs ads accusing Romney of being too hard on the coal industry, and brags that private energy companies fracked and horizontally drilled on private land to increase the nation’s fossil-fuel production. Who could believe that message of “vote for me because I couldn’t quite stop all the drilling and so now we have more domestic oil and gas than ever”?

    2. Calling Dr. Freud

      I think a growing number of Americans slowly grasped that with Obama, the best guide to his character is what is sometimes known as psychological projection — or the syndrome in which those unsure of themselves seek to massage their own natural but bothersome impulses by ascribing them to others, almost always in a negative context. The vicarious president who gave us “get in their faces,” “bring a gun to a knife fight,” and “punish our enemies”; ridiculed the Special Olympics; slurred millions of doctors with accusations that they like to amputate for profit; and smeared, as fat cats, the one-percent, corporate jet owners, and Vegas jet-setters (his own generous Wall Street donors) of course also preached about the need for a new bipartisanship and civility. Like a moth to a light bulb, Obama was drawn to swanky golf resorts, Vegas, and vacations on Martha’s Vineyard of the sort he dismissed as the haunts of the one percent. When the president struggles to repress yet another appetite, we can be assured that he will attribute such a character flaw to others.

      The Chicago Way

      Of course, independents are tired of the scandals. One Fast and Furious, Secret Service debacle, or GSA mess is tolerable. But bit by bit the mosaic of a fast and loose Chicago way of fixing things was built from one too many scandalous tesserae — like the Blago mess, the wind and solar con, and now the Libyan cover-up.

      The undecideds also are starting to see that while every recession has a recovery, it was needlessly prolonged in the case of Obama, due to his “never let a crisis go to waste” obsessions with socializing health care, taking over unionized bankrupt companies, and expanding food stamps, unemployment, and disability insurance. It took many four years to figure out that for Barack Obama, the need to transform America into some weird version of Greece or Italy trumped any concern about getting millions back to work and the economy going again. Obama’s prime impulse was not restoring lost income, jobs, and net worth, but seeking to ensure the wealthy did not prosper, even if that meant the far more numerous poor did not either. Stagnant equality was his aim.

      Tear Us Apart

      I know many people — including liberals — who voted for Obama on his promises of racial healing and will vote against him precisely because he amplified racial divides for his own political purposes. Again, one Cambridge police incident or Trayvon Martin flip comment would have been the normal stuff of presidential gaffes. But the fake-accented sermons to black audiences, the “punish our enemies” call to arms to Hispanics, the various racially targeted Obama reelection groups (using “we got the president’s back” as their mottoes as if a deranged white person hourly were about to dry gulch the president without ranks of such self-appointed African-American or Hispanic bodyguards) became predictable. Only Obama could have brought out the worst side of a James Earl Jones, Chris Rock, and Morgan Freeman to accuse others of racism to divert attention away from Obama’s failure. Once such celebrities transcended race, now Obama-fed racialism has engulfed them.

      At some point, Eric Holder’s various delusions (e.g., “cowards,” racism behind the Fast and Furious investigations, “my people,” etc.), Hilda Solis’s videos appealing to illegal aliens to call in about mean employers, and the Van Jones rants seemed like sound bites out of the Race / Class / Gender gut course in the university rather than the emanating from the U.S. government.

    3. It’s Not the Economy, Stupid?

      More than eight percent unemployment for 42 months could be an artifact. Maybe anemic below-two-percent economic growth happens. Five trillion dollars in new debt can be contextualized. Nearly fifty million on food stamps is regrettable. But after a while, they all become force multipliers of each other — cementing the notion that Obama is largely a hothouse potted plant who has not a clue about what drives business, or why employers hire and fire, or how oil and gas fuel the U.S. economy. The only mystery is whether Obama sought to improve the economy but utterly failed — or if he had some vague idea that printing money, unsustainable borrowing, out-of-control spending, and demonizing the successful might create a gorge-the-beast moment: only then might higher taxes be the only way to prevent fiscal collapse while the new entitlements would hook so many that the mere thought of their curtailment might prove impossible.

      Enough Is Enough

      Add all this up, and millions of voters — quietly, on their own, without much communication — are becoming wearied by Obama, in a way that is quite miraculous. They are coming to the conclusion not just that it is now OK to vote against Obama, but that even if it is not politically correct, they don’t much care anymore.

      Incumbents should have all sorts of advantages. This year there is no Ross Perot on the ballot to siphon off votes from a President George H.W. Bush. The media openly slants its news to save Obama. Libya has gained none of melodramatic hourly coverage of the Iranian hostage crisis that finally did in Jimmy Carter pontificating from the Rose Garden. George H.W. Bush was destroyed by “it’s the economy, stupid” when unemployment and GDP growth were far better than today. George W. Bush almost lost the 2004 election on the charge of a “jobless recovery” when the unemployment rate was almost three points lower than it is today. Enough said.

      Money can be printed. Official stats can be massaged. The president can dole out pork. The Federal Reserve can print money. Europe can, too. Obama’s unusual heritage makes Americans proud of their country. If some wished to prove that they were not racist in 2008 by voting for Obama, in 2012 they fear they will be condemned as racist for not voting to reelect him.

      Yet add all of that up, and here we are three weeks before the election with Romney holding a slight lead in polls that are often suspect.

      In other words, millions are feeling liberated and are starting to feel that they have simply had enough of this bunch. In short, it is becoming OK to vote “No, you can’t!”

  41. And -

    “And then Benghazi happened, and they don’t have an answer. You talk about a candidate not having an answer for something. How about a dead ambassador, three Americans, and blaming it on a video and then trying to slough it off on Mrs. Clinton and blaming it on the intel community?”


  42. A modest downtick in Chinese inflation could give policy makers more room to boost the world's second-largest economy, as growth continues to decelerate in China's biggest swoon since the global financial crisis.

    On Thursday, China is expected to report that its GDP growth in the third quarter slid below the 7.6% it reported for the second quarter, with little evidence in sight of a quick turnaround. While China over the weekend reported a surprising boost in September exports, imports continued to grow at sluggish 2.4% pace, reflecting persistent weak domestic demand.

  43. On this day in 2007, the New York Yankees signed Alex Rodriguez to a 10-year, $275 million contract, the second 10-year contract of his career. The Yankee third baseman has three hits in 23 at bats this post season, with no home runs and no RBIs.

  44. The buck stops with Hillary. She takes one for the team.

    "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known."

    Sidney Carton in A Tale Of Two Cities - Charles Dickens

    Hill and Billary may figure B-HO is a goner, so why not be gracious?

    "When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite"

    Churchill, on sending a polite note to the Japanese Emporer, declaring war.

    1. Way wrong. Bill, and Hill want very much for Obama to win. Bill thinks (perhaps, correctly, maybe not) the economy is ready to surge, and that the President, whoever he is, will get the credit.

      They certainly don't want to run against an incumbent President that is riding a good economy that is perceived to be the cause of it.