“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Thursday, October 11, 2012

Benghazi hearing day one investigation of Obama Administration Libyan failure and coverup

In hearing, the Libya scandal boils over

It was an extraordinary day in the telling of the Libya terrorist attack. We had the scene at the White House in which Jay Carney denied he had insisted on Sept. 14 that the attack was linked to an anti-Muslim video. He was apparently making stuff up on that day, and the denial today only makes the appearance of widespread dissembling more vivid. ABC’s Jake Tapper asked the question Right Turn has been puzzling over for weeks now: Did the president shoot first and aim later?

Meanwhile the House Oversight Committee, chaired by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), grilled State Department and intelligence officials (although not Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice) on the attack and the campaign in the administration to characterize it as the fall-out from an anti-Muslim video. It was not an impressive showing for the administration. CNN reports:

Speaking before the Republican-controlled House Oversight Committee, Under Secretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy responded to insinuations that the State Department was responsible for a lack of preparedness ahead of the Benghazi consulate attack.
“We regularly assess risk and resource allocation, a process involving the considered judgments of experienced professionals on the ground and in Washington, using the best available information,” Kennedy said.
The assault on the U.S. compound was “an unprecedented attack by dozens of heavily armed men,” Kennedy said.
His colleague, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs Charlene Lamb, added that the state department “had the correct number of assets in Benghazi at the time,” drawing a sharp rebuke from committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California.
“To start off by saying you had the correct number, and our ambassador and three other individuals are dead, and people are in the hospital recovering because it only took moments to breach that facility somehow doesn’t seem to ring true to the American people,” Issa said.
The Romney campaign responded to the day’s events with a somewhat restrained statement from its policy director Lanhee Chen: “With each passing day, we learn more about the ways in which the Obama Administration misled the American people about the tragic events that transpired in the terrorist attack on our consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. Nearly a month later, the Obama Administration continues to offer incomplete and indirect responses to simple and straightforward questions. It is up to President Obama and his Administration to ensure that congressional investigators and the American people have a full accounting of the facts not just from that day, but from the days and months leading up to the attack. There are many questions about whether or not the Administration properly heeded warnings, provided adequate security, or told the American people the whole truth in the aftermath of the attack. On an issue of this importance, nothing short of full and complete candor is acceptable. We can’t learn from our mistakes if we don’t undertake an honest, transparent effort to assess them.”
There was plenty of drama druing the day with Republican committee members demanding to know why the administration had not told the truth, namely this was a terrorist, planned attack. What was clear is that Libyan-based State Department officials requested more security, which was denied by State Department official. Charlene Lamb, who was the responsible official, was pummeled at the hearing.
But, as Josh Rogin detailed, the most explosive moments came when State Department officials were grilled as to why blame was placed on the anti-Muslim film:
[Secretary of State for Management Patrick] Kennedy and Lamb were also pressed several times to explain why senior officials including U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice made statements in the days after the attack describing it as a reaction to an anti-Islam video, considering that the State Department was monitoring the events that night in real time.
Kennedy suggested that another government agency was to blame.
“There were reports that we received that there were protests, and I would not go any further than that,” Kennedy said, citing a reluctance to go into detail in open session. Other officials, including Rice, have said that they based their comments on the intelligence community’s initial, albeit caveated, assessment.
But Wood testified that there was no way anyone who was following the events in real time could conclude the attacks were anything but a terrorist attack.
“It was instantly recognizable as a terrorist attack. We almost expected the attack to come. It was a matter of time,” [Lt. Colonel Andrew]Wood said. “[Al Qaeda’s] presence grows there every day. They are certainly more established there than we are.”
At times, Wood appeared to be the only competent and honest witness there, confessing Al Qaeda is growing in Libya and is more established than the U.S. So much for the chest-thumping about our ”success” in “leading from behind” in the Libyan civil war. And finally, the Democratic talking point that the embassy attack was brought about by funding cuts championed by Republicans was entirely undone when Lamb said it had nothing to do with funding.
This is a mess on multiple levels. The Obama administration failed to protect our people. They have failed to assess the growing threat of Al Qaeda. And the president and his advisers have been hiding the ball from voters to save their own political skins. All in all it’s a shabby performance. People should be fired, but perhaps the voters will take care of that.
So where is the president? He’s not come forward to explain any of this, although his vice president will be on the hot seat at the debate tomorrow night. After all, Jay Carney's dissembling, Susan Rice’s misleading TV appearances, and the president’s own assertions, including his Setpember 25 speech to the UN (“a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world”) have left an evidence trail a mile wide.
Whether incompetent or dishonest or a combination of the two, Obama needs to face the American people and be held accountable. And the media, both reporters and pundits, who have tried studiously to downplay or ignore a scandal that in a GOP administration would be compared to Watergate, have their chance to show they are more than apologists for a president whose stature is shrinking by the minute.
By   |  05:29 PM ET, 10/10/2012



  1. The US bombing under the guise of Nato has left a disaster in Libya with thousands al Qaeda, tens of thousands of hand held missiles and anarchy between rival tribes. Now we are at it again in Syria, There is no indication that this insane foreign adventurism will end with the Obama Administration.

    Benghazi was just the beginning.

  2. All this happening while Obama is running around UH-UH-Uhing about big bird.

  3. In the second video, Jake Tapper has Carney squirming over the dais. It starts at the 2:40 mark of the video.

  4. The solution is simple.

    Defund the enemy. Starve them out. Drain the swamp.

    How? Stop aid to enemy nations. Stop supporting OPEC.

    Shot to kill all Jihadists across the globe

  5. Hey, not to worry, Joe 'Singing Drunk' Biden -- --

    the only brains of the Obama/Biden operation, will be in Danville tonight to explain it all to ya. Biden was the one who had the great idea of dividing Iraq into three parts, like Gaul, and it was the best idea anyone has come up with. I am serious about this, I liked the idea at the time.

    So, fear not, Joe will 'spain all to you tonight, unless he gets loose to the Beam Distilleries first.

    Then, he will be singing another tune.

    We'd be better off with Joe as President, I kid you not. He is the only brains and humor in the whole democraparoo operation.

    I hope Ryan tears him a new asshole.

    Ought to be able to, how could anyone, ever 'plagiarism' Joe, talk their way out of such a fiasco as Obama has created??

    A dead Ambassador and some dead back up?

    Just 'a bump in the road' according to Obama.

    Joe will at least try to shed a tear.


  6. Sloppy Joe will defend the Big Bird, you watch. Joe gets so maudlin when he drinks, damn he even seems a little like the Big Bird. I hope he's into his cups for the debate. Joe's our political Bird.
    The big yellow Big Bird, that's Joe.

    CP Average 10/1 - 10/9 -- -- 47.6 46.1 Romney +1.5
    FOX News 10/7 - 10/9 1109 LV 3.0 46 45 Romney +1
    Rasmussen Tracking 10/7 - 10/9 1500 LV 3.0 48 47 Romney +1
    IBD/TIPP Tracking 10/4 - 10/9 757 LV 3.5 49 44 Romney +5
    Gallup Tracking 10/3 - 10/9 2721 LV 2.0 48 48 Tie
    Pew Research 10/4 - 10/7 1112 LV 3.4 49 45 Romney +4
    WashTimes/JZ Analytics* 10/5 - 10/7 800 LV 3.5 45 45 Tie
    Politico/GWU/Battleground 10/1 - 10/4 1000 LV 3.1 48 49 Obama +1

    That BubblePlumbPolling group is starting to look......prescient.


    1. Check on your Lesbos in the previous thread, Heap big trouble for the Injuns.

    2. Poll: Romney edges Obama in Colo, narrows gap in Wisc...

      Picks up 8 points in Calif...

      Poll aggregator changes 5 states from 'leans Obama' to 'toss up'...

      WI, MI, NH, PA, OH...



  7. It's all GWB's Fault!

    Rufus II

  8. .

    I hope Ryan tears him a new asshole.

    Remains to be seen. As I've said before, I just have a feeling Joe might surprise some people. This will probably be the only debate I watch (or at least switch back and forth to given the ALDS playoffs) because of the widespread speculation that 'ol Joe will get his clock cleaned by Ryan.

    Ryan is a policy wonk with ideas that cannot be backed up with specifics. He appear knowledgeable even though all he offers are broud generalizations and goals with no specicics on how he will reach those goals. Joe on the other hand has some personality and says what he thinks although he does occasional have bouts of foot in mouth desease. In the absence of a major gaffe, he could do ok.

    My one concern for Joe is trying to explain this latest foreign policy issue in Libya. It's not something any Dem wanted to try to defend in a debate setting.

    Anyway, this debate should be more interesting than the presidential debates.


  9. .

    Joe is knowledgeable on foreign policy; although, his idea to divide Iraq into three separate parts was off the wall and somewhat looney. Fortunately, no one took it seriously except some Kurds in the north and some Swedish farmers out of Idaho.

    I personally like 'ol Joe. Hell, you've got to like someone who asks some crippled guy in a wheelchair to stand up and take a bow.


    1. For affability, he's right up there with Charlie Rangel, and Rufus. You got to love the guy. Shameless too, another endearing quality. Runs for President plagiarising Churchill, or Tony Blair, or somebody, word for word. Great speeches he stole.

      Make a better Pres than Zero, that's for sure.


  10. Joe is knowledgeable on foreign policy; although, his idea to divide Iraq into three separate parts was off the wall and somewhat looney. Fortunately, no one took it seriously except some Kurds in the north and some Swedish farmers out of Idaho.

    I like that idea. There are natural boundaries that fit tribal identity and have nothing to do with the lines drawn up by the Brits as they cashed in their empire.

    1. General Garner knew the Kurds well,
      ...the original plan would have worked well as designed with him in charge.

      Instead, they kicked him out forthwith, and put f.....g Candy-Ass Bremmer "In Charge"

      Our doom was sealed.

      ...and, our Seals were also.

    2. ...our Seals were doomed woulda worked better.

    3. .


      Joe is knowledgeable on foreign policy; although, his idea to divide Iraq into three separate parts was off the wall and somewhat looney. Fortunately, no one took it seriously except some Kurds in the north, some Swedish farmers out of Idaho, and a robot repairman out in the Northwest.


    4. ......the very heart and soul of America's true foreign policy establishment.


  11. Deuce Should install that


    Keep Doug in line.

  12. Nat Gas $3.59

    Up 87% from the "Rufus Low"tm.


    Rasmussen moved back to Obama +1

  13. Rasmussn has not changed Romney's Electoral College count from 181

  14. A Great Jobless Claims number this morning 339,000. To be taken with a sizable grain of salt.

    There are very large "Seasonal Adjustments" this time of year (seasonal adjustments is how the unemployment number came in at 7.8% last month.)

  15. As to Libya, Colonel Q is gone. He had been a thorn in the US side for thirty some years. Projecting a terrorist threat into Europe that entire time.

    1. .

      Haven't you heard, rat. Colonel Q was our goodest, bestest friend; that is, until he wasn't. Ask Condi Rice. They guy gave up his asperations on the bomb and was helping us in the WOT.

      You've got to try to keep up. As we've seen in Egypt, Libya, etc., US foreign policy changes daily as does the stories we are given by those 'who understand the big picture'.

      As for terrorism, are you actually saying there is less a threat of terrorism from Libya now than there was before the guy was assassinated?



  16. The demise of Colonel Q, a US success story.

    1. .

      Quite a success story.

      As Hillary said in one of her more macho moments, "We came, we saw, he's dead." Truly inspiring.

      A little plagiarism from Ceasar and clearly doesn't rise to the level of Churchill, but still for Hillary...


  17. Romney wants to Add $200 Billion/Yr to the Defense Budget.

    Assumedly so we can travel around the world fighting for oil (with an eye toward the S. China Sea, and China, it seems.)

    The Rufus Plan (an ethanol refinery in every county) would have us 100% Off Foreign Oil in 2 years with that money.

  18. With regard sending a Special Forces detachment to Jordon ...

    That is why we have Special Forces, to alliviate the need for sending a large Regular Army division to complete the mission.

  19. The US will not leave Jordon twisting in the wind.

    Sending a SF detachment, the lowest cost solution, to an immediate problem.

    That the Syrian 'rebels' are Islamoid extremists is not new News.

    1. That boy over there in Jordan has been "rock-solid."

      As for Syria, I'm sure the U.S./Israeli strategists would like to see that mess go on for a long, long time.

  20. More

    The Yemeni chief of security at the US embassy in Sanaa has been assassinated, security officials have said.

    Qassem Aqlani, who was reportedly in his fifties, was shot dead while on his way to work early on Thursday. A gunman on a motorcycle reportedly opened fire at him and fled the scene.

    Aqlani had been working for the US embassy in the Yemeni capital for nearly 20 years.

    A US diplomat said Aqlani was in charge of coordinating a US and Yemeni probe into an attack last month on the embassy by protesters angry over an anti-Islam film that triggered a wave of deadly demonstrations across the Muslim world.

    The attack comes as Yemen's US-backed government is waging an offensive against al-Qaeda's branch in the country, taking back territory and cities in the south that the group seized last year.

    The assassination resembles other attacks recently that have targeted Yemeni intelligence, military and security officials.

    Those attacks are believed to be in retaliation for a military offensive by Yemen’s US-backed government against Yemen-based Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).

  21. The band plays on.

    1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
    1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
    1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
    1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
    1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
    1981 Attempted Assassination of Pope John Paul the Second
    1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
    1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut, April 18,1983
    1983 Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, Oct 23,1983
    1984 Hezbollah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
    1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
    1985 Rome Airport murders
    1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
    1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homicidal maniac lived in
    saddams Iraq
    1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
    1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100′s murdered
    1988 Berlin Discotheque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
    1990 A Muslim Named El Sayyid Nosair Murders Israeli Political
    activist Meir Kahane. Nov 1990
    1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
    1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
    1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7
    Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
    1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
    1994 A Muslim Named Rashid Baz shoots at a van filled with
    Hasidic boys, on the Brooklyn bridge murdering one of them.
    FBI calls it “Road Rage”. March 1, 1994
    1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
    1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
    1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
    1996 Khobar Towers attack
    1996 Sudanese Missionaries Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
    1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
    1997 At Empire State Building; Ali Abu Kamal shoots at
    tourists, kills one and wounds six before killing himself,
    Mayor Giuliani informs the public “he had many enemies in his
    mind”.Feb 24,1997
    1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
    1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
    1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
    1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
    1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100′s murdered
    1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100′s murdered
    1999 Egypt Air flight 990′s co-pilot crashes plane killing all
    217 people on board, officials post no link to terrorism, even
    though the co-pilot is heard on black box tape exclaiming “I
    rely on Allah” 11 times as he crashed the plane.- Oct 1999
    1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
    2000 USS Cole attacked,17 U.S.Navy sailors were murdered and
    39 others were injured- October
    2000-2003 Intifada against Israel – 1000′s dead and injured
    2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
    2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
    2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
    2001 Flight 93 murders
    2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
    2002 Bali Nightclub Bombing 200 dead
    2003 Istanbul,Turkey Bombing 30 dead, 400 wounded
    2003 Casablanca, Morroco Bombing 33 dead
    2003 Riyadh, Saudia Arabia Bombing 21 people dead
    2004 Madrid subway bombs kill 200, wound 2,000
    2005 London subway bombing kills 56
    2005 Jordan Hotel bombing kills 52
    2006 Bomby subway bombing kills 200

  22. We Import 100 Billion Gallons of Oil every year (excluding Canada.)

    4,000 cellulosic refineries would cost approx $400 Billion.

    Exactly what Romney's Oil-War fighting budget spends in Two Years.

    Then, we would be through with it.

  23. While the deacon presents a one sided list.
    Avoiding the US sponsored coup in Iran and the death toll credited to the Shah.
    Omits the hunreds of thousnads the US killedin 'Nam
    Omits the Kurds and Shia Iraqi that Saddam killed while a proxy for the US
    Omits the slaughter of the Lebonese, which occurred on the watch of the US proxy, Israel.

    Yep, the band. Plys on, with the US military and those thatb represent US interests at center stage

    1. Omits the killing of innocents in Central America.

  24. If I was Joe, I would open with a left upper cut to Ryan's jaw, right at the beginning right when they are supposed to shake hands. Right off the bat. Set the tone, set things right.

  25. Hold his fist up in victory, and walk off the stage.

  26. In fact, more than 26,000 Americans died prematurely in 2010 because they lacked health insurance, according to a recent report by Families USA.

  27. 26,000 ....

    That is more than the grand total of Deacon's list.

    Must be ok, though, since we are doing it to ourselves ....

  28. We are Spending close to $300 Billion every year buying oil from Overseas (excluding Canada.)

    Two years of Romney's Defense Budget Increase would have us spending that money in our own communities.

    PLUS, we would could save probably another $50 to $100 Billion by pulling our Fleets out of the Persian Gulf, mothballing a few ships, and putting those guys to work in the local communities producing biofuels.

    And, we're nowhere near "peak grass." :)

  29. If you weren't a damn muzzie would you wear this on your finger? -


  30. There were 3.1 million “green jobs” in the US as of November 2011. Green jobs are growing faster than overall job growth in the US. They pay well, and there’s an increasingly wide range of them accessible to Americans of every level of education and experience, according to the Economic Policy Institute’s “Counting up to green” analysis of the Labor Dept. Bureau of Labor Statistic’s (BLS) groundbreaking Green Jobs report, which was released Sept. 28.
    Clean Technica (
    There were 3.1 million “green jobs” in the US as of November 2011. Green jobs are growing faster than overall job growth in the US. They pay well, and there’s an increasingly wide range of them accessible to Americans of every level of education and experience, according to the Economic Policy Institute’s “Counting up to green” analysis of the Labor Dept. Bureau of Labor Statistic’s (BLS) groundbreaking Green Jobs report, which was released Sept. 28.
    Clean Technica (

    Clean Technica (

    BLS’ data and report follow on similar studies of green jobs — notably by the Brookings Institution and Pew Research Center – that indicate making the transition to a cleaner, greener, low-carbon US economy and society doesn’t necessarily entail a net loss in jobs — far from it. If the transition gathers enough momentum, it appears that more green jobs will be created faster than jobs in other sectors and activites are lost. Not only did green businesses and activities weather the last US banking systems crisis and recession better than others, green businesses and business activities are growing faster than the broad economy. Moreover, states where commerce and industry are greener have been growing faster.
    Clean Technica (

    Green Jobs Growth

  31. In a May 3, 2012, email, the State Department denied a request by a group of Special Forces assigned to protect the U.S. embassy in Libya to continue their use of a DC- 3 airplane for security operations throughout the country.

    The subject line of the email, on which slain Ambassador Chris Stevens was copied, read: “Termination of Tripoli DC-3 Support.”

    Four days later, on May 7, the State Department authorized the U.S. embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool’s new Chevrolet Volts. The purchase was a part of the State Department’s “Energy Efficiency Sweep of Europe” initiative, which included hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on green program expenditures at various U.S. Embassies.

    In fact, at a May 10 gala held at the U.S. embassy in Vienna, the ambassador showcased his new Volts and other green investments as part of the U.S. government’s commitment to “climate change solutions.”

    The event posting on the embassy website read: “Celebrating the Greening of the Embassy.”

    While the embassy in Vienna was going green, the consulate in Benghazi was getting bombed, and little was done to stop it.

    Before the terrorist attack that took the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, there were more than 230 security incidents in Libya between June 2011 and July 2012.

    Of those attacks, 48 took place in Benghazi, two at the U.S. diplomatic compound and scene of the September 11, 2012, terrorist attacks.

    Read more: KELLY: Libya security cut while Vienna embassy gained Chevy Volts - Washington Times

    Green jobs, Ruf, while our Embassy guys die.

    Just a bump in the road to a green future....


    1. The Pubs were the ones that led the fight to cut Embassy Security Funding, Bob.

      And, I'm a hundred times more concerned with Marines than Ambassadors.

      We're only messing with Libya because of our Dependence on their Oil.

    2. Become Amish.

      They are not dependent on Libyan oil.

      Neither are we, really. It all goes to France, and other nearby sales points.

      Joe Biden will put it all in perspective for us tonight, then we will finally know what is going on.


  32. Green jobs????

    The job here is milking the green....

    The Internal Revenue Service urged a bankruptcy judge to reject solar panel maker Solyndra LLC’s bankruptcy plan Wednesday, saying it amounts to little more than an avenue for owners of an empty corporate shell to avoid paying taxes.

    “The undeniable conclusion is that tax benefits drive this plan,” attorneys for the IRS wrote in a bankruptcy pleading.

    Arguing that the bankruptcy court ought not confirm a plan “whose principal purpose is tax avoidance,” attorneys said in filings in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware that the tax breaks would be worth more money than funds set aside for creditors.

    Taxpayers are on the hook for more than a half-billion dollars after the company filed for bankruptcy last year, just two years after winning a loan guarantee from the Department of Energy.

    What’s more, government attorneys said that as far back as 2010, Solyndra owners had “planned meticulously” to be able to use Solyndra’s net operating losses to offset future tax liabilities.

    “The only reason for the shell corporation to exist post-confirmation is to enable its owners to exploit these tax attributes, which would be lost in liquidation,” the IRS argued in court papers.

    One owner valued the so-called tax attributes at $150 million, dwarfing the $7 million to $8 million set aside by the reorganization plan for unsecured creditors, according to the government’s objection, which was filed by the Justice Department on behalf of the IRS.

    Under Solyndra’s reorganization plan, two big investors in the company, Madrone Partners LP and Argonaut Ventures, together would own nearly all of a shell company formed in the wake of Solyndra’s bankruptcy reorganization.

    But the IRS said in court papers that there was little reason for the shell company to exist other than to help the owners avoid taxes. Argonaut is the investment arm of a family foundation headed by Oklahoma businessman George Kaiser, a fundraiser for Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign. Madrone has ties to the family that owns Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

    Read more: IRS says 'tax avoidance' at heart of Solyndra bankruptcy plan - Washington Times

    Man, these democrats and green energy freaks and Obama supporters sure do know how to milk the newly created 'green energy system.'

    No green energy is ever created but lots of 'green', even through the bankruptcy process. it's quite creative actually. Making money while losing it.

    The only loser is you, whoever is reading this, YOU.


    1. Mr Romney is the supreme specialist in milking both the government handouts and bankruptcy, profiting at each step of the process.

      Putting him in charge would be Akin to hiring the fox to guard the hen house. It went so well during the Bush era, you all want to go another round, rufus exempted, of course.

      Vote for change
      Gary Johnson in 2012

    2. 1.4% of that program resulted in losses.

      Meanwhile, we've picked up Millons of Jobs, produce 10% of our transportation fuel here, instead of in the Middle East, and increased the amount of electricity we produce from Renewables from 3% to 6%.

    3. Just read an article about voting patterns in Nevada. Seems there the sore loser Johnson may be pulling more votes away from Obama than from Romney.

      Biden is apt to do better in the debate tonight than expected, is my guess.


    4. Vote for change
      Gary Johnson in 2012

      Now there's an original and catchy campaign slogan!

      Straight from some really low rent campaign advertising agencies.

      Even 'Vote Scandinavian For A Change' sounds better.


  33. Truly it's guys like Biden that carry the world on their shoulders. Don't they? Tonight, he must save us .... Must he not?

    At a critical time for the Democratic Party as presently constituted, the party sees fit to present a fool, following a venerable tradition:

    "The Democratic Party can always be relied on to make a damn fool of itself at the critical time." - Sen. Benjamin R. Tillman, Democrat, 1904

    That is to say, on the heels of perhaps the worst presidential debate performance in the history of the republic, Joe Biden must ride to the rescue of the floundering campaign of his boss when he takes the stage for the 2012 vice-presidential debate.

    The litany of Biden's ridiculousness, dishonorable statements and mind-boggling actions during his adult lifetime on the federal dole is well known. He lifted phrases from the speeches of British politician Neil Kinnock. He clumsily attempted to get Thomas Sowell to say Sowell was an anti-black bigot. He assured Clarence Thomas that if the allegations made against Thomas by Anita Hill saw the light of day, he, Biden, would be Thomas's "biggest defender." He greeted John Roberts during his confirmation hearings by respectfully saying "Hey, Judge." On and on the litany goes without even coming to Biden's remarks about 7-Eleven employees, the clean, articulate nature of his future chief, his counting ability, and his keen sensitivity for the disabled.

    As Biden and Republican Party vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan face off on Thursday, this republic stands on the brink.......

    Read more:

    In these parlous time it is comforting to know the debate is finally fulled joined about PBS, and we have men the caliber of Biden and Obama, and Bert and Ernie, to see us through. Isn't it?


  34. Guess which industry is fueling the biggest jump in U.S. wages since 2007?

    posted at 3:21 pm on October 11, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

    If you guessed “renewable energy,” you’d be wrong — so wrong. Sure, the green-energy industry may have created some 28,000-odd jobs (a very far cry from the 5 million we were promised, cough cough), but it’s important to remember that even those few ‘successfully’ created green jobs are not necessarily productive jobs.

    The green-energy industry is only as big as it is because it’s on the receiving end of a whole heap of different types of subsidies, from tax credits to loan guarantees to direct payments, and subsidies are always and necessarily designed to distort free-market signals. All the money poured into the green industry by the federal government comes at the opportunity cost of that money being spent more effectively and profitably elsewhere — let’s say, perhaps if the government would just stop overstepping its Constitutional boundaries and quit trying to pick economic winners and losers with our money, and we all maybe just had lower taxes in general and could spend that money ourselves? (I know, I know — keep dreaming, Erika.)

    However, if you guessed “oil/gas/mining domestic energy production,” you’d be right — so right.

    from Hot Air


    Word is the Press Corps at the debate has been handed out small bottles of Kentucky Whiskey.


  35. Tampa Bay Times/Bay News 9/Miami Herald Poll
    Times/Bay News 9/Herald exclusive Florida poll: Romney 51, Obama 44

    By Adam C. Smith, Times Political Editor
    Posted: Oct 11, 2012 06:00 PM

    Barack Obama's lackluster debate performance last week has dramatically altered the presidential race in Florida, with Mitt Romney opening up a decisive 7 percentage point lead, according to a new Tampa Bay Times/Bay News 9/Miami Herald poll.

    The survey conducted this week found 51 percent of likely Florida voters supporting Romney, 44 percent backing Obama and 4 percent undecided. That's a major shift from a month ago when the same poll showed Obama leading 48 percent to 47 percent — and a direct result of what Obama himself called a "bad night" at the first debate.

    The debate prompted 5 percent of previously undecided voters and 2 percent of Obama backers to move to Romney. Another 2 percent of Obama supporters said they are now undecided because of the debate.

    "There's no question in my mind that debate made people stand up and pay attention, and it really wiped away any questions people had about Romney, whether they were undecided or soft for Obama," said Brad Coker of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, which conducted the poll for the Times and its media partners.

    Across the board, from who is better suited to improve the economy, to who will protect Medicare, to looking out for the middle-class, to handling foreign policy, likely Florida voters now favor the former Massachusetts governor over the president.

    "It's a very big shift since the debate, and where the shifts are taking place are very, very interesting because they are the types of shifts you see in Florida when something starts to break one way or another," said Coker, likening it to when Ronald Reagan shot past Jimmy Carter in 1980

  36. No cooking the books here.

    This morning the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that initial claims for unemployment benefits, i.e. jobless claims, fell a staggering 30k to 339k for the week. It's the lowest level of claims since January 2008! Analysts had expected the number to remain essentially unchanged at around 370k, where it's been pretty much for more than a year.
    The media, of course, swooned at the news. NPR bellowed the report through my car speakers this morning and I swear I could hear high-fiving in the background of their studio. You would think we'd posted double-digit growth in GDP for the way the media greeted the news. The long-stalled economic recovery had appeared on the horizon at preciously the moment Obama needed it to.
    Except, um, it turns out that number wasn’t right. They forgot to include CALIFORNIA, the most populous and economically depressed state in the country.

    1. :)

      O well, a little state, overlooked .....

      Perhaps Ryan will mention it in an hour or so.


    2. I looked around the internet, and didn't find anything about California not being counted.

      Bloomberg still has it at 339,000.


  37. On the subject of Green Jobs as it relates to the "big interview" conducted by Steve Liesman this morning with Alan Simpson, Erskine Bowles and Lloyd Blankfein.

    Simpson goes acerbic out of the gate by observing the deep and historically abiding divide between politicians and the business community. The Blankfein narrative is that it wasn't until FDR dropped his "malefactors of great wealth" animosity towards (Big) Business, by extending the olive branch of White House invitations, which presumably resulted in "discussions" more than debate.

    (The Conservative/Republican narrative has changed over the years (Blankfein describes himself as left of center.) During FDR's tenure, the "politics of business" was dominated by the big monopolies. In the modern framing, the politics of business is alternately dominated by the interests of Wall St or the small to medium enterprises that allegedly generate all the jobs. Couple of missing links in the Blankfein thesis starting with the relevance of the Big Banks of Wall St to supporting the small to medium business enterprise. (As noted by Ezra Klein, it's not the size as much as the age of the business that correlates with job creation, and the "allegedly" reference implies the need for further study of the big vs small stress fractures, how they relate to the Middle Class, and who gets to pay the bill for the dislocations and dysfunction.))

    Blankfein maintains that it was FDR's engagement of the business community that allowed the US to mobilize war materiel in a two-year explosion of industrial activity leading up to the US entrance in WWII.

    (As a footnote and as noted by Liesman, Blankfein is making very clever and subtle use of positive behavioral motivation to encourage politicians to deal with the "fiscal cliff." The argument is that it's not so much the bad stuff that will happen if Washington fails, but, more importantly, it's the positive events that will ensue if Washington succeeds - another explosion of "activity," not so much industrial as financial. Companies like Goldman will have more business opportunities to finance.)

    What is wrong with the Blankfein picture? Energy. It's not there. Not in Blankfein's narrative and not in real life. Business can take some of the credit for stimulating the economic explosion under FDR, but not all, and not even the majority. That goes to the big dams built by the Army Corps on the great rivers of the western US. Without these massive public works projects, no juice and no industrial activity, certainly not in two years.

    A similar scenario is playing out 70-80 years later. Wall St seems to making the argument that everything will be back to normal if only they can finance more enterprise, enterprise that is currently muted by Washington's failure to address the "fiscal cliff" through (a) tax reform, (b) health care reform and (c) entitlement reform. The only problem is that the big dams of the west are being decommissioned and energy is scarce - much too scarce to support an "explosion" of economic activity, at least outside of Wall St.

    Lloyd Blankfein, like Jamie Dimon, has a "nice guy" reputation. They both remind me of Stuart Smalley.

    But to credit their diplomacy, the Blankfein, Simpson and Bowles were unanimous in their condemnation of Washington's failure to achieve the compromises necessary for "getting things done," and none of them even whispered "Tea Party."

  38. Joe Biden and Paul Ryan arrived in Kentucky for a Thursday night debate that has potential to either accelerate or stall the momentum gathering behind Mitt Romney's come-from-behind presidential bid.


    "Looking forward to it,'' Mr. Biden said of the debate as he left Delaware this morning, and sounded like a boxer climbing into a ring.

  39. Standard & Poor's compared the historical performance of the stock market, corporate earnings and the economy under Democratic and Republican presidents and found all three did better when a Democrat occupied the White House. The S&P 500 gained an average 12.1% per year since 1901 versus 5.1% under Republican presidents; GDP increased an average 4.2% annually since 1949 compared to 2.6% under Republicans; and corporate profits since 1936 rose 10.5% a year under Democrats compared to 8.9% under Republicans.

    Under Obama, the stats on the economy aren't as good but for stocks and earnings they're even better. GDP has gained an average of just 1% a year but corporate profits have surged an average 51.8% a year and the S&P has rallied 12.3% since his inauguration.

    Why Does Wall Street Dislike President Obama So Much?

  40. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't heard Obama make a big deal out of the drop in the unemployment rate, or the jobless claims.

    If not, it's because they realize that both numbers are strongly influenced by "seasonal adjustments" that get a little weird around this time of year, and that those numbers could turn back the other way right before the election (in fact, that wouldn't be a bad bet.) The conspiratists are, basically, ignorant asses (or, in the case of Jack Welch, getting senile.)

    1. .

      If you follow-up on the story some publications are reporting that every state did, in fact, report. Where the problem seems to be is with California's submission of their data.

      Some speculate that a significant portion of the CA claims were not counted in time for the official submission. Why? Who knows; although, it could be they were short staffed and just didn't get it done on time. Political manipulation? If there was any it wasn't at BLS but rather in CA.

      According to Business Insider after adjustment the numbers will still probably drop some but not the significant amount in todays report.


    2. .

      To be clear, when I say the number will still drop, I meant from this week's consensus number. The claims that were not counted will add to the next report.


  41. Watch for a packed audience. They got them a femlib modrater, and they going to pack the arena with lesbian settlers too.

    Damn set-up.


    1. And there providing free whiskey to the press too.


  42. Relax, Buck. None of it is going to work for them. The real girls have already made up their minds -

    October 11, 2012
    Is Paul Ryan Hawt?
    By J.T. Hatter

    Paul's Hot! Joe's Not.

    I have to admit that I'm not "with it" anymore. I can't dubstep. That would probably kill me. I'm a rock 'n' roller. That's my music and my era. And that's my excuse for completely missing out on the "Paul Ryan is hot" mania that is sweeping the country. It started as soon as Romney announced Paul Ryan as his running mate this summer. Women know all about it. They started it. They're keeping it going. So there must be something to it.

    Did you know there's a dance called the Paul Ryan? Yep. Here's the music vid. It's a hot rocking dance tune with a catchy beat, a sizzling female lead singer, sexy dancing girls, and a radically cool band pounding out the music.

    You can go to the website and cast your vote for who's hot and who's not. Paul's Hot! Joe's Not. Cast your vote here. OK, I admit it. I voted. Guess whom for. The video says it is "Brought to you by people who are not politicians." That's why it resonates. Those are the people who will save the USA -- not politicians.

    Read more:

    News Flash: Ryan is not wearing a coat and tie to the debate.

    Whoa, you can guess what this means!


  43. Doug: Instead, they kicked him out forthwith, and put f.....g Candy-Ass Bremmer "In Charge"

    Our doom was sealed.

    But Bush managed a second term after that, somehow.

    Tomorrow my chest port comes out, which is a sort of period at the end of THAT whole sentence. Coming away with curly hair and "50 percent off", but it's better than the alternative, as you know, Doug.

  44. .

    Well we filled out our absentee ballots tonight.

    Had Ron Paul been on the ballot, I would have probably voted for him. However, he wasn't. Gary Johnson? I had considered him since in checking out his stated positions I tended to agree with him nearly as much as I did with Ron Paul. However, he wasn't even on the ballot here in MI. Perhaps that's why I haven't seen much of him. In those interviews and videos I did see of him he offered little info of substance on the issues, mostly just complained about our two-party system and how the MSM and the national election committee was ignoring him. Not real impressive. I tried to check him out on YouTube and all I got in the first few videos were general ads begging for Americans to give him 5% of the vote and promising that that would break the two-party stanglehold in the country.

    I didn't bother voting for him as a write-in.

    My wife on the other hand, though she really doesn't like the guy (still hasn't forgotten that dog incident), voted for Mitt.

    Go figure.


  45. Okay, here it is:

    Crap, I lost the link; anyway, first week, of first quarter, California has a backlog of uncounted claims. Next weeks numbers will be large. You'll just have to average them out.

  46. Replies
    1. Quirk is leaving us all breathless, breathless, nearly dying to know for whom he voted......

      Himself! He wrote in.......Himself!


  47. My wife is closely watching the diddle lines. Biden's diddle lines so far suck.....real negative diddle lines.

    Whoa......Ryan's diddle lines are real high with the girls.


    1. Wife says the Biden diddles are down from the Ryan diddles.


  48. It was a shocking find: crudely made DVDs with images of grown men having sex with children as young as 12. Until this year, the men who bought those images faced little more than a slap on the wrist.


    As if to underline the legal challenges ahead, Kyoto police say prosecutors have declined to press charges against the three men, citing a lack of evidence. The three bought the DVDs from a dealer in Tokyo after seeing them advertised on the internet.

    Police raided the dealer's house and found transaction records showing many more customers around the country. Unfortunately for the victims, few of the men can be prosecuted, even when the law works well.


  49. Damn Biden is an irritation S O B, always, always interrupting.

  50. Every time Biden starts interrupting Ryan, Martha Raddatz cuts Ryan off.

    1. I think Biden took a swig of Bailey's Irish Cream prior to the debate, how else could you explain his behavior? He must have been given orders to come out and act like an ass. Meanwhile Ryan is debating Biden AND the moderator.

  51. Martha Raddatz to Joe Biden: What's your favorite sub sandwich?

    To Paul Ryan: Why do you hate America?

    Okay, I just put it on mute. Now I see an earnest Paul Ryan sitting next to a laughing jack wagon.

  52. Right, was two against one nearly all the way. Biden is an extremely irritating blabbermouth of an old man.


    1. This is going to really flip the numbers with women, Bob, because Joe came across to millions of women as just like their obnoxious EX husband.

  53. Told you. Femlib moderater.


  54. First Flash Poll:

    Biden 50

    Ryan 31

  55. Contract fraud in Afghanistan has yielded a major unexpected threat to U.S. troops from homemade bombs, according to the U.S.’ contracting watchdog in the country. And the watchdog agency considers the threat so dire that it took the rare step of tipping its hand on an active criminal investigation to warn the military command in Afghanistan.

    John Sopko, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, is warning that “potentially significant contract fraud” from a $361,680 deal with an Afghan company may have led troops to falsely believe that metal bars placed over water drainage systems and roadside holes are effective against implanted insurgent bombs. A letter Sopko sent to Marine Gens. John Allen, commander of U.S. troops in Afghanistan and James Mattis, commander of U.S. forces in the Mideast and South Asia, says a “large number” of the so-called “culvert denial systems” were “not installed or were installed in a defective manner.”

  56. On this day in 1975, “Saturday Night Live” made its debut on NBC.

  57. Two weeks after a new record was set in the Arctic Ocean for the least amount of sea ice coverage in the satellite record, the ice surrounding Antarctica reached its annual winter maximum—and set a record for a new high. Sea ice extended over 19.44 million square kilometers (7.51 million square miles) in 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).


    On their Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis blog, scientists from the University of Colorado wrote: “Comparing winter and summer sea ice trends for the two poles is problematic since different processes are in effect. During summer, surface melt and ice-albedo feedbacks are in effect; winter processes include snowfall on the sea ice, and wind.

    Small changes in winter extent may be a more mixed signal than the loss of summer sea ice extent. An expansion of winter Antarctic ice could be due to cooling, winds, or snowfall, whereas Arctic summer sea ice decline is more closely linked to decadal climate warming.”

    1. .

      Just an idle thought (I'm no scientist although I did play one on TV).

      In talking Arctic (northern hemisphere) Summer and Antarctic (southern hemisphere) Winter aren't we talking actions that are occurring at the same time. And if the ice is expanding in the South while withdrawing in the North, wouldn't they actually offset each other? If so, why the concern about rising sea levels?

      Just asking.


  58. There were four people in the debates that could be president. I Rank them in this order:

    1. Romney
    2. Obama
    3. Ryan
    4. Biden

    Biden acted the fool, an obnoxious silly old ass.

  59. At some point in a guy's life it comes down to this. Four guys have been going to the same fishing trip for many years. Two days before the group is to leave, Ron's wife puts her foot down and tells him he isn't going. Ron's mates are very upset that he can't go, but what can they do.Two days later the three get to the camping site only to find Ron sitting there with a tent set up, firewood gathered, and dinner cooking on the fire."Shit Ron, how long you been here, and how did you talk your missus into letting you go?" "Well, I've been here since yesterday evening. I was sitting in my chair and my wife came up behind me and put her hands over my eyes and said, "Guess who?" I pulled her hands off, and she was wearing a brand new see through nightie. She took my hand and pulled me to our bedroom. The room had candles and rose petals all over. On the bed she had handcuffs, and ropes! She told me to tie and cuff her to the bed, and I did. And then she said, "Do whatever you want."

    So, here I am. You guys want a beer?"

  60. Biden certainly did not pick up any independents and I doubt many if any woman. He is an embarrassment.

    Ryan needs some aging but is rational and sane.

  61. Biden's job was to "buck up the base," and stop the bleeding. He did that.

    It wasn't a knockout, or even a TKO, but he probably won on points.

    That's what he had to do.

    Probably the most important thing he did was smoke out the "Pro-life" words from Ryan. That's good for a point, or two.

  62. What you had tonight was a "Pure Democrat" debating a "Pure Republican."

    Biden knows in his gut what Obama hasn't truly figured out yet.

    Democrats are more popular than Repblicans.

    Only through dissembling, and reticence can a Democrat lose a National debate to a Republican (that is, if you can Identify your opponent as actually being a, gasp, "Republican.")

    Biden lost on style (whoodathunkit?) but won on the issues that voters actually "vote on."

    :) This is beautiful for the "press." Now they can hype the next debate even more. (It's 1 - 1 folks, who's going to break out?) Gotta love it.

  63. .


    They both proved themselves to be either misinformed, unimformed, or duplicitous. I saw enough sound bites and misinformation being thrown around by these two guys just in the time I was switching back and forth between debate and ball game to open my own fact check blog. It will be interesting to see what the actual fact-checkers come up with.

    Since we got nothing informative from thse guys, it merely came down to who looked like they won. Ryan looked like a scared little kid, out of his depth and intimidated by the give and take with Biden. The moderator didn't help. Even if Ryan had proven a competent debater, it would have been almost impossible for him to overcome that chick.

    When I first switched over to the debate, Biden was talking. He appeared forceful and confident. I figured I was right in assuming he would do well against Ryan. Had he settled for just responding the questions in this manner, even if all he provided was misinformation and sound bites, he might of come off doing alright. What he did instead was sit there mugging for the camera while Ryan was talking, laughing, injecting little jabs. He looked like a clown.

    Those body language 'experts' they always bring on after these debates should have a feild day with both of these guys.

    48 44 ?

    50 31?

    47 39.5 ?

    Let's try

    On loud and obnoxious

    Biden 87 Ryan 13

    On meek and scared

    Biden 13 Ryan 87

    On Truthful Answers

    Biden 10 Ryan 10

    On making the debate worth watching

    Biden 0 Ryan 0

    On the old dickmeter

    Biden 100 Ryan 100

    Scoring the moderator

    Ordinary moderator 50 This moderator 10


    1. You don't count; you're not a voter.

    2. Sanity

      q 0.0000

      On the old dickmeter

      q 100.0000


    3. .

      Well, technically I am a voter; however, you are right when it comes to these two guys and those they serve. Ohhhmmmm

      Besides, I view myself as more the arbiter of societal norms, a truth teller and dick designator, the fool on the hill, the alpha and the omega.

      Of course, some may disagree.


  64. He voted NLP.

    Which is all fucked up. Look at this -

    And, look at this moron they ran for Pres and q voted for

    (It is now q, not Q)

    I thought they just meditated, and asked for money at airports.

    Man, this group is really confused.

    q has truly made a fool of himself.


  65. Looking at NLP, and their history, why hell, this bunch of confused goofballs makes the Libertarians look like sanity itself. I'd camp in with the lesbian settlers rather than bunk with this group of longhorns. Talk about throwing your vote away. q, are you alright? I mean, are you feeling OK and stuff? With concern -

    Buck Buckett

    1. Occasionally they come up with a good idea, however -

      Hagelin proposed that all candidates should have their brain waves recorded by EEG and the resulting "mental profiles" should be publicly disclosed, so that the voters could see which candidates had the best "brain-wave stability".[4] He said that the test would "allow us to avoid the possibility of a brain-dead candidate".[24] The proposal was dropped due to a poor reception.[9]

      This should obviously be extended to the supporters of NLP, and the 'brain dead' should be taken off the voter registration rolls.

      These people, I'll say it, could be really dangerous.....


    2. You're not shoveling manure there, brother.


    3. .

      You nitwit.

      Hagelin hasn't been around for the better part of a decade. We have moved on to a higher consciousness, circles within circles, worlds within worlds. I have seen things undreamed of in your imagination much less within your experience.

      The Rock is our man now.

      Compared to him, you are a mere slug, strugly up from the from the slime, a wan and pale creature fearing the light, to be pitied but still forgiven for your lack of understanding.



  66. .

    You buffoon.

    Know that our battle cry is 'Don't Knock The Rock'.

    ROSS C. "ROCKY" ANDERSEN (NLP candidate for President).

    Formerly a member of the Democratic Party, Anderson expressed his disappointment with that Party in 2011, stating “(t)he Constitution has been eviscerated while Democrats have stood by with nary a whimper. It is a gutless, unprincipled party, bought and paid for by the same interests that buy and pay for the Republican Party.”

    Need For Change

    Most of us are fed up with the one-party political system in which both Democrats and Republicans are controlled by the same corporate and defense interests. We believe that the leadership of this country should be non-partisan, not bought, and thereby fully representative of public opinion in all its dimensions: on economics, tax, health, foreign policy and all other political issues.

    Rock! Rock! Rock! Rock! Rooooooocccccckkkkk!



  67. Haven't watched or listened yet, but given Drudge Headlines, Mike Gallegher forecast this perfectly:

    BHO's conclusion of his own performance was that he was "too polite."

    This delusion allowed him to make a decision no sane man would make:

    Unleash Joe!

    This will never fly in the long run.


    Was worried about moderater, who went to BHO's wedding in 1991, but apparently, Joe made such an ass of himself, she became a non-issue.

  68. PBS Jim was the best moderator ever.

    Stay out of the frigging way!

  69. q...

    "Of course, some may disagree"

    ya think?

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