“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Monday, June 20, 2011

Illegal Immigrants to Blame for Arizona Fire

The Wallow Fire, the largest in Arizona history growing to approximately 511,118 acres, on Sunday has been 51 percent contained.

Sen. John McCain: Blame illegal immigrants for Wallow fire
The State Column | Staff | Sunday, June 19, 2011

Arizona U.S. Senator John McCain fanned the flames of immigration reform and border security Saturday, saying undocumented immigrants are partly to blame for the growing Wallow fire in Arizona.

“There is substantial evidence that some of these fires have been caused by people who have crossed our border illegally,” Mr. McCain said during a press conference in Springerville on Saturday. “The answer to that part of the problem is to get a secure border.”

Mr. McCain, who has repeatedly called for a comprehensive immigration reform bill, seemed to contradict Arizona Republican governor Jan Brewer, who said the causes and sources of two southern Arizona fires have yet to be determined and that an investigation is under way.

Mr. McCain’s comment come as Ms. Brewer declared a state of emergency, activating the state’s National Guard. On Friday morning, Ms. Brewer conducted an aerial tour of the Horseshoe II and Monument fires,
and received a briefing from incident commanders. The two fires have burned more than 200,000 acres,
including 40 residential homes. Also still burning is the Horseshoe Two fire, which has blackened nearly 200,000 acres and is 65 percent contained.

Ms. Brewer joined Mr. McCain, calling Friday for additional troops to be deployed to the southern border.

“While I’m pleased that President Obama has agreed to temporarily extend the deployment of National Guard along the border, this extension would be more meaningful if it were for a longer period of time and coupled with broader security measures,” Ms. Brewer said in a statement.


  1. Ok, let's get this thread started the Elephant Bar way...

    It's the Jew's fault....

    it's the Israeli's fault...

    it's Zionism fault...

    If only israel would give land to the palestinians America would be safer! Then the illegals would not try to get into the USA to destroy her...

    Yep blame the fucking jews....

    now that is a TYPICAL Elephant Bar point of view...

  2. Actually we should give credit to our President...

    he has done more to stem the tide of illegals coming to America than any other President in history.

    How you may ask?

    By destroying the American dream of course.

    Why would ANYONE want to move to America now that Obama is our leader?

    I would ponder to guess the numbers of illegals FLEEING our borders for the economic opportunities of Central and South America.

    I can see ships filled with illegal asians going north to Canada (Vancouver) steering clear of America.

    God Bless Obama, he is turning around the issue of illegals.

    We all should send him an email thanking him for destroying our nation to the point that no one with a brain would WANT to come here...

  3. Now we all agree that Israel is nothing but a bunch of murdering heathens,this proved by the Bar's usage of the term "murderers" when discussing the thousands of arabs who tried to storm the border last month....

    We do see and hear the silence at the Bar (and from the President) about Syria and her handling of KEEPING it's citizens from fleeing...

    "Syrian troops backed by tanks and firing heavy machine guns swept into a village near the Turkish border, forcing more people displaced by the crackdown on anti-government protesters to flee across the frontier.

    The Local Coordination Committees, a group that documents protests, said troops backed by six tanks and several armored personnel carriers entered Bdama Saturday morning.

    The village, about 12 miles (20 kilometers) from the Turkish border, had a bakery that was the sole source of bread for nearly 2,000 displaced people crowded near the border who had hoped not to have to flee to the Turkish tent-city sanctuary. The town was also supplying medicine and other foodstuffs to them.

    Without that critical lifeline, some women and children were already crossing into Turkey Saturday afternoon.

    The three-month uprising against President Bashar Assad’s rule has proved stunningly resilient despite a relentless crackdown by the military, pervasive security forces and pro-regime gunmen.

    Human rights activists say more than 1,400 Syrians have been killed and 10,000 detained as Assad tries to maintain his grip on power.""

    Now we all agree that Arabs killing Arabs is not a crime nor is it even newsworthy (as compared to the out and out murder that israel conduct every chance it gets against innocent arabs simply trying to "breakin" to Israel (all for a cup of coffee)...

    Yep Assad GOOD....

    israel bad...

    America has no rights to keep it's borders secure

    So why try?

    The problem here is America is failing it's undocumented travelers.

    They need to be given vouchers for hotel stays, food and even rental cars....

    America, get your head out of your ass...

    FUND the undocumented travelers NOW!

  4. Meanwhile speaking of borders and crossings...

    Former Weather Underground leaders William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, as well as Code Pink founder Jodie Evans, helped organize the Free Gaza Movement, which launched the six-ship flotilla from Turkey to Israel that ended in a violent clash with Israeli Defense Forces, reported.

    In January, the trio were spotted in Egypt attempting to stir up crowds on the streets with 1,400 other left-wing activists after the Egyptian government refused to allow Free Gaza Movement members to enter the Gaza Strip. About 100 marchers were eventually allowed to cross the border, where they were met by former Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniyeh

    Aint that great...

    Gaza the world's largest prison....

    Visited by Obama's friends...

  5. This is an oldie but goodie about Arabia and their separation barrier...

    No, you won't be able to see it from space, but Saudi Arabia, unnerved by the violence next door in Iraq, plans to spend up to $7 billion on a partly virtual fence along its 500-mile border with Iraq. The ultramodern barrier will combine fencing, electronic sensors and sand berms. Saudi and U.S. sources tell TIME the kingdom is seeking bids from contractors, including U.S. defense giant Raytheon. (A Raytheon spokesman says the Saudis asked the company not to comment.)
    Saudi diplomats say the fence is intended to stop weapons and drug smuggling and illegal immigration. But they admit they fear that Iraq's sectarian fighting and jihadi militancy could spill south. "We're worried about the war in Iraq coming into Saudi Arabia and spreading into the whole region," says Nail al-Jubeir, a spokesman for the Saudi embassy in Washington. "Having some of these guys heading toward the Saudi border is something we want to make sure doesn't happen."

    Read more:,9171,1376210,00.html#ixzz1PpAMgBBO

    Got's to love protected borders...

  6. and not to be unfair...

    let us all applaud our President's anti-gun stance INSIDE America all the while helping to export weapons to Mexico!!

    WASHINGTON — In a report issued Tuesday by two powerful Republicans in Congress, the Justice Department was accused of conducting an operation that allowed nearly 1,000 guns to flow illegally into Mexico, including two that were eventually found at the scene of the murder of an American Border Patrol agent.

    these weapons INCLUDED ak-47s and 50 cal sniper rifles.

    Yep the SAME justice dept that refused to prosecute the new black panther party....

  7. Now for fun news from Greece...

    Just imagine living in a Britain in which the state had broken down completely. You would see mobs rampaging through the streets and fires burning in the capital city.
    You would see governments rise and fall; you would see taxes rise and social services cut. You would see faceless European bankers flying in to take over Britain’s economy, and you would see thousands of people take to the barricades, blazing with outrage at their betrayal by the political classes.
    This may sound like the stuff of science fiction. But it is precisely what is happening right now in Greece, at the epicentre of what may prove to be one of the most terrifying political and economic crises in our lifetimes.

    Read more:

    And yes, it's all the Jews fault...

  8. Now we all agree that Israel is nothing but a bunch of murdering heathens,this proved by the Bar's usage of the term "murderers" when discussing the thousands of arabs who tried to storm the border last month....

    We do see and hear the silence at the Bar (and from the President) about Syria and her handling of KEEPING it's citizens from fleeing…

    Explain again why Syria is a US problem.

  9. deuce: Explain again why Syria is a US problem.

    good question that deserves a decent answer...

    Syria is an avowed enemy of the USA

    Syria supports, funds and (on a state level) provides shelter and technology to some of the world's most violent terrorist groups.

    Syria has several undeclared plutonium processing sites that have been illegal built with the help of north korea and iran.

    Syria has armed hezbollah (with iran's help) and has supported the murder of Americans across the globe.

    Syria has a robust counterfeiting program against the US dollar.

    Syria seeks to destabilze the region and the oil supply.

    Syria helped and supported thousands of islamic fighters into Iraq to both kill Americans and to undo anything that AMerica was trying to do...

    Syria is part and parcel part of the axis set to cause the USA pain.

    No matter it's small size, it's support of suicide bombings, ieds and jihadists (no matter that the assad family hates the islamists and murdered 10,000 in hama in 1984) in attacks to other nations is well known and documented

    WHy is this the USA's problem?

    Because it is...

    We are the target Syrian turbulence. Now syria does not play in a vacuum, it has friends, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea to name a few...

    Some would argue that if the USA had deposed the Assad leadership we could have saved several thousand US troops in Iraq.

    Syria is the real international criminal state in the region...

    Why should the USA care????

  10. The Syrians do not use US munitions upon the civilians of Syria.

    The Israeli do.

  11. Syria is on the list of State sponsors of terror, the Israeli should be.

  12. The idea that the Wallow fire is to be blamed upon the illegal migrants has to be met with an air of incredulousness.

    Springerville is far from the border, well off the migration routes used by those entering the US illegally, across the southern frontier.

  13. We received a remarkable, if not unexpected, piece of news, yesterday. Solar panels are expected to hit $1.00 Watt, Retail, by next Spring.

    I've been saying here, for quite awhile, that, not only was this going to happen, but that the price of installation was going to, soon, start plunging.

    Well, it looks now like some larger projects are going to be in the $2.00 Watt range by the end of next year.

    Another fascinating, somewhat more unexpected, development took place a few months ago. It seems some people have started taking down panels installed 30, and 35 years ago, and finding that they are still Within Factory Specs.

    Now, kiddos, when you start running The New Numbers it will make your legs go weak. I'm going to do this as the morning goes on; and remember, this is no longer "pie in the sky" dreaming. We're, basically, talking "here and now."

  14. When figuring the cost of solar people have pretty much considered a life expectancy of 20 yrs, or so. That made sense, because

    1) No one knew, exactly, what it was, and

    2) That was about the length of time for any financing.

    Now, you've got to look at it and say, well, it's at least 50 yrs, and in all honesty, hell, it could be a hundred. We just don't know; we just know it's a heck of a lot longer than twenty, or twenty five.

  15. One thing is for sure: When you start looking at $2.00 Watt installed costs for something that converts sunlight to electricity for Fifty Freakin' Years . . . . . . .

    Well, like I said, if that doesn't make your legs go wobbly, nothing will.

  16. Another Strange thing happened on our way to understanding Solar. After months of analyzing Solar output in California it has become obvious that you get many more hours of output than was, at first, published.

    For instance if you look at This breakdown of Renewable Electricity in California you'll see that total daily production runs almost 10 times max. hourly production.

    Admittedly, the numbers would be different for Iowa, but we're not considering putting wind farms in the Mojave, nor solar in Portland.

    Wind from Washington, and Solar from S. Cal. connected by HVDC makes a lot more sense.

  17. There is a lot of sunlight shining upon a lot of empty space, out in the southwestern deserts.

  18. Not many clouds to interfere with the production of electrical energy, derived from "safe" nuclear fusion.

  19. desert rat said...
    Syria is on the list of State sponsors of terror, the Israeli should be.

    Dear Mr Jew hating, Israel hating, Zionist Hating piece of shit,

    It's USA policy that Israel is a close and LOVED ally of the USA.

    Don't LIKE it?


    Our current and former Presidents all agre, Israel is a great, just and faithful ally.

    It's US POLICY asshole.

    I know that your point of view is different, but as you like to point out to all of us at the Bar what is and is not the policy of the USA. And at this time, (and since the creation of the Modern State of Israel) That the USA SHARE values and ideals.

    Sucks being on the wrong side of history rodent?

    The USA publically endorses and supports Israel.

    The USA publically calls Syria a "state sponsor" of terrorism.

    That is a fact...

  20. desert rat said...
    The Syrians do not use US munitions upon the civilians of Syria.

    The Israeli do.


    Just how do you know those invading terrorists that attempted to breach the international border were cilivians?

    And the truth be told, US munitions kill plenty of citizens of many ARAB and Islamic nations...

  21. Let's deal in kilowatts; we're more familiar with those. Let's figure we install a kw of solar for $2,000.00.

    It delivers 10kw hrs/day during most of the year, much less during Dec, Jan, Feb. I'm going to skip some steps, here, and bring it down to 7.5 hrs/day on average.

    7.5 kwh X 365 = 2737.5 We'll call it 2,700 kwhrs to make it simple, and avoid false precision.

    2,700 X 50 = 135,000 kwhrs delivered over 50 yrs.

    Fossil fuel-derived electricity is costing approx $0.10 today. Who knows what it will be in ten, or twenty years, much less fifty years.

    But we do know that these Solar kilowatts will cost $2,000.00 / 135,000 or $0.0148 Call it One and a half cents per kilowatt/hr.

    Chilluns, that's "rockin' and rollin'."

  22. There are a lot of reasons to be negative, right now; let's don't overlook the few good reasons to be positive.

  23. That's right, Rat. Cities like Phoenix, Tucson, LA, SD, LV, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, OK City, El Paso have a tremendous, cheap resource right outside their door.

  24. The laptop I'm using is Magnitudes better than my old one, and cost less than a third as much.

  25. Goldman Sachs has cut its 2nd qtr growth forecast to 2%.

    They're getting there, but they're still higher than ol rufi.

  26. I think we'll come in within 0.5% of flat. Maybe, 1%.

  27. They just keep getting more Efficient.

    The DOE has set a goal for $1.00 Watt Installed.

    Now you're getting down to the ridiculous. 3/4 of a Penny per Kilowatt Hr.

    I really don't doubt it a bit.

  28. WIO, my friend, you need to chill out, dude. Seriously, you are going to ignite and burn up from the inside out if you don't learn to let some of this bounce off you.

    Rat likes to bait you and you bite every single time. He does it on purpose just to get you going and you let him. The rest of the folks here are just stating their own opinions about stuff and reserve the right to do that without you calling them names.

    By the way, your first entry on this post is pure BS.

    Please, give it a rest or you will stroke out..

  29. Here's a quote from a swell guy:

    Minister Farrakhan: 'That's a Murderer in the White House'

  30. Solar fusion eliminates the need for man managed nuclear fission.

    Solar will also lead to the decentralization the power grid. Which I think would be a "good thing".

    Allowing US to focus on replacing foreign oil with homegrown ethanol.

    Keeping those energy dollars now flowing to the Saudis, their cousins and Hugo Chavez on the mainland of North America.

  31. Yeah, I concur. Here is an example of the type of work government can perform for you.

    The world is a complex, and marvelous place. One should always try to avoid those that would oversimplify the situation.

    The complementary techniques of simulation on ORNL’s Jaguar supercomputer and neutron scattering at the lab’s High Flux Isotope Reactor enabled Smith’s team to resolve lignin’s structure at scales ranging from 1 to 1,000 angstroms. Smith’s project is the first to combine the two methods in biofuel research.

    The research was supported by DOE’s Office of Science and used the resources of the Leadership Computing Facility at ORNL under a DOE INCITE award.

    Width less than that of a Carbon Atom.

    A carbon atom?

  32. What I was trying to say is, "The Government is not the solution to All problems, not even most problems, BUT it Can help with some things. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater."

  33. McCain Clarifies Immigrants Did Not Cause Arizona's Largest Fire

    (NewsCore) - WASHINGTON -- Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) issued a clarification on Monday after creating a furor over the weekend when a remark he made at a press conference suggested a link between raging wildfires in Arizona and illegal immigrants.

    McCain's office said the comment, made during a press conference in Springerville, Ariz., did not refer specifically to the Wallow Fire -- which has now consumed roughly 520,000 acres (210,400 hectares) to become the largest recorded fire in the state's history -- but that evidence shows illegal immigrants have caused fires in the region in the past.

    Which is true.

  34. CNN

    Foreign companies plowed 49 percent more money into the U.S. economy in 2010 from the prior year, the Obama administration said Monday.

    And 90 percent of that foreign investment came from Canada, Europe and Japan, with less than 1 percent from China.

    "The United States consistently receives more foreign direct investment than any other country in the world,"
    President Barack Obama said in a statement.
    "By voting with their balance sheets, businesses from abroad have clearly stated that the United States is one of the best places in the world to invest."

    Foreign firms invested $194 billion in the United States in 2010. That's still far off the peak of $328 billion in 2008, according to the Commerce Department.

  35. Anti-Americans, gag, are just that.

    It makes no difference the race, color nor creed of the President. Those that hate the US will hate GW Bush and BH Obama, both.

    The President personifies both the government and the country in the eyes of many, for better or worse.

  36. They all begin to sound alike:

    Assad claimed that there is an outside plot or conspiracy to force Syria to change its policies and he added that its strategic location has made it a target for outside intervention.

    He says that a number of factors point to foreign interference including Western media campaigns against Syria. He repeated the government’s position that “armed gangs” and “vandals” have attacked and killed Syrian security forces.

  37. Supreme Court backs EPA over states on climate change

    USA Today - ‎
    The Supreme Court unanimously rejected Monday a lawsuit by six states that were suing five major power companies for emitting greenhouse gases that contribute to climate change.

  38. I agree,DR, not only anti American but bigoted thinkers as well.

  39. This Gunrunner thing is abominable.

    Page 27: [Special Agent John Dodson, the original whistle blower]

    “Well, every time we voiced concerns…But every day being out here watching a guy go into the same gun store buying another 15 or 20 AK-47s or variants or . . . five or ten Draco pistols or FN Five-seveNs . . . guys that don’t have a job, and he is walking in here spending $27,000 for three Barrett .50 calibers …and you are sitting there every day and you can’t do anything…”

    Page 38: [Dodson, speaking about ATF supervisors in Phoenix and their disregard for lives lost due to Fast & Furious]

    “[T]here was a prevailing attitude amongst the group and outside of the group in the ATF chain of command… I was having a conversation with Special Agent [L] about the case in which the conversation ended with me asking her are you prepared to go to a border agent’s funeral over this… because that’s going to happen. And the sentiment that was given back to me by both her, the group supervisor, was that…if you are going to make an omelette [sic], you need to scramble some eggs.”

    Tracking Stopped at the Border

  40. They were "Overjoyed" when one of their guns showed up in a drug bust.

    The whole thing is looking like an attempt to excuse lobbying for stricter gun laws.

    Government agencies do tend to go "haywire" after awhile. Some would say ATF started out that way.

  41. Quirk...

    Of course the 1st post was BS....

    It was sarcasm

    As for Rat?

    I doesnt get to me, i just love calling him what he is...

    It's releasing...