“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Tuesday, November 23, 2010

South Korea Puts Fighter Planes on Alert

N. Korea fires on S. Korea, killing 2 and injuring more than a dozen

By the CNN Wire Staff
November 23, 2010 5:34 a.m. EST
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South Korea holds emergency talks
  • Two South Korean marines are killed, defense officials say
  • 15 other soldiers are wounded, five seriously
  • The South's president urges calm
  • Ministers meet in a bunker under the presidential residence

Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea fired artillery toward its tense western sea border with South Korea on Tuesday, killing two South Korean marines, the South's Defense Ministry said.

Fifteen other South Korean soldiers were wounded, five of them seriously, defense officials said. Three civilians were injured in the attack.

About 100 rounds of artillery hit an inhabited South Korean island in the Yellow Sea after the North started firing about 2:30 p.m. local time, the Yonhap news agency said. Yonhap initially reported that 200 rounds had hit. The Defense Ministry said it could not confirm the number of rounds.

South Korea's military responded with more than 80 rounds of artillery and deployed fighter jets to counter the fire, defense officials said. Firing between the two sides lasted for about an hour.

The South Korean army also raised its alert condition, Yonhap said.

Sharp tensions on the Korean Peninsula
Report: N. Korea fires on S. Korea

Images of plumes of smoke were quickly broadcast on Yonhap television from the island of Yeonpyeong, with some homes on fire. It was not immediately clear how much damage the artillery had done. The island has a large military garrison.

The island has a total of about 1,300 residents, a fisherman who lives on the island told Yonhap.

Some residents started fleeing for the South Korean mainland, which is about 145 kilometers [90 miles] away. Other residents were seeking shelter at schools.

The South Korean government immediately called an emergency meeting of its security ministers, meeting in a bunker under the presidential residence in Seoul.

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak ordered his ministers to take measures against an escalation of the situation, presidential spokeswoman Kim Hee-jung said, according to Yonhap.

"Take a stern response and carefully manage the situation from further escalating," the president said.

The United States quickly offered support.

"We are in close and continuing contact with our Korean allies," the White House said in a news release. "The United States strongly condemns this attack and calls on North Korea to halt its belligerent action and to fully abide by the terms of the Armistice Agreement."

"The United States is firmly committed to the defense of our ally, the Republic of Korea, and to the maintenance of regional peace and stability."

The North Korean fire came as the South's military conducted routine drills in waters off the island, which is about 10 kilometers (6 miles) from the North.

South Korea's annual Hoguk military exercises were to last nine days and include as many as 70,000 South Korean military personnel, according to the Stratfor global intelligence company.

The Yellow Sea has been a longstanding flashpoint between the two Koreas, but Tuesday's attack was an escalation in violence.

"Our navy was conducting a maritime exercise near the western sea border today. North Korea has sent a letter of protest over the drill. We're examining a possible link between the protest and the artillery attack," presidential spokeswoman Kim said, according to Yonhap.

"Marines were training in that area, including firing artillery, in the morning. But they were aiming south and southwest, not east or north," said a representative for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "North Korea sent a telephone message at 8:20 a.m. to cease the drill. We did not stop the drill."

Yeonpyeong island is part of a small archipelago about 80 kilometers [49 miles] west of the South Korean port of Inchon, which serves Seoul, and is close to the tense Northern Limit Line, the maritime border between the two Koreas in the Yellow Sea.

A South Korean warship, the Cheonan was sunk in the area in March with the loss of 46 lives in a suspected North Korean torpedo attack.

North Korean artillery is extremely difficult to hit, because it is dug into coastal cliffs. Though the North has tested its artillery -- and tested anti-shipping missiles -- it has not fired artillery into South Korean territory in recent years.

One of North Korea's most potent threats is the hundreds of artillery barrels dug in along its demilitarized zone with South Korea and ranged on Seoul.

Yonhap television was covering the attack nonstop in South Korea, forgoing other news Tuesday. Meanwhile, state television in North Korea did not mention the attack.

The reason for the attack was unclear, but North Korea watchers had theories.

"I think they are very frustrated with Washington's response to their uranium program and think they think that Washington has almost given up on negotiations with North Korea," said Choi Jin-wook, senior researcher at the Korea Institute of National Unification.

"I think they realize they can't expect anything from Washington or Seoul for several months, so I think they made the provocation."

"I definitely think this is centrally directed form Pyongang this cant be done without orders from, Pyongyang," he added.

Over the weekend, news broke that North Korea had showed off its uranium-enrichment facilities to a visiting U.S. scientist. Washington responded with aplomb, saying that the North's nuclear moves had been clear all along.

The United States also said it would not dismiss restarting six-party talks aimed at denuclearizing the North, but that Washington would not return to negotiations unless North Korea showed good faith.

North Korea is desperately reaching for bargaining chips, experts say.

"They want food. They are starving to death. They are trying to make Seoul and Washington move. Otherwise, they are in big trouble," Choi Jin-wook of the Korea Institute for National Unification said before Tuesday's artillery attack. "And this is a transition period for the North Korean leadership; they need to provide gifts to the elite, but they don't have the resources."

Sanctions have been progressively placed on North Korea in response to a succession of nuclear and missile tests and the sinking of the South Korean warship in March.

Meanwhile, with national leader Kim Jong Il apparently in ailing health, his son Kim Jong Un is being raised to prominence in the isolated state, in what pundits see as a succession process.

Journalist Andrew Salmon contributed to this report.


  1. I was just going to post about that.

    SEOUL, South Korea -- North Korea bombarded a South Korean island near their disputed western border Tuesday, setting buildings ablaze and killing at least one marine after warning the South to halt military drills in the area, South Korean officials said.

    South Korea said it returned fire and scrambled fighter jets in response, and said the "inhumane" attack on civilian areas violated the 1953 armistice halting the Korean War. The two sides technically remain at war because a peace treaty was never negotiated.

    The Chinese could put an end to North Korea's shenanigans if they wanted to, I'd think. Aren't they our friends now?

  2. The South Koreans will be begging for US help.

    So sorry about the past.

    The Chinese will continue supplying and supporting the Norks.

    The Norks will continue their nuclear weapons program.

    South Korea will be on the phone, once again turning the other cheek, asking the Norks how much and what do they need.

  3. Oh Yea, the Chinese are our friends.

  4. This is Bill Clinton's baby

    Appeasing North Korea: the Clinton Legacy
    By: Ben Johnson | Friday, January 03, 2003

    Democrats have begun a desperate-yet-predictable effort to blame North Korea's nuclear aspirations on President George W. Bush's strident rhetoric. Despite their leftist cant, they seem remarkably uninterested in the "root causes" of Pyongyang's current nuclear brinksmanship: Bill Clinton's eight years of appeasement and the gullible cordiality of the South Korean government.

    Threats of a nuclear winter did not mix well with Clinton's sunny disposition. Clinton, who saw the domestic front thronged with "crises," refused to disturb his illusion of a post-Cold War world at complete peace under his watch. He had two private conversations with CIA Director James Woolsey in as many years, willfully laboring under delusions of supra-national serenity. He famously misled the public that "there's not a single, solitary nuclear missile pointed at an American child tonight" before asking China to re-orient its missiles away from U.S. population centers. When al Qaeda terrorists struck the World Trade Center, two U.S. embassies in Africa and the U.S.S. Cole, he bombed nothing, an empty tent, and nothing, respectively. This refusal to confront reality precipitated the present crisis in Korea, as well.

    If Iraq's nuclear policy in the 1990s constituted a "decade of defiance," Bill Clinton's negotiations with North Korea represented a "decade of delusion." Evidence that North Korea was violating the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty surfaced within weeks of Clinton's first inauguration. After a year of inaction allowed Pyongyang to create at least one nuclear weapon, the emboldened Stalinists announced their formal withdrawal from the treaty. It seemed North Korean officials were angling for a payoff. They must have realized they struck the jackpot when Clinton named tough-as-nails Jimmy Carter as his principal negotiator.

    Under the final terms of the Agreed Framework approved in October of 1994, Clinton agreed to provide the "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea" (DPRK) with two light water nuclear reactors and a massive allotment of oil. The U.S. agreed to ship 500,000 metric tons of oil annually in response to the North's pretense that the energy-starved backwater had developed the nuclear facility to generate power. These shipments have cost taxpayers more than $800 million to date - a bargain compared with the $6 billion spent on constructing the nuclear reactors, which now empower North Korea to produce 100 nuclear bombs each year.

    All these measures failed to quell the North's atom-lust.

    In August 1998, North Korea lobbed a Taepo Dong 1 missile over Japan. Four months later, officials refused U.S. inspectors access to a suspected underground nuclear reactor at Kumchang-ni. President Clinton then sweetened the deal by rewarding Kim Jong Il's half-year-long stall tactics with 1.1 million tons of food worth nearly $200 million. Not surprisingly, American inspectors found no signs of wrongdoing at the long-sanitized facility.


  5. Here is why we should inform S. Korea, tough shit.


    All these measures failed to quell the North's atom-lust.

    In August 1998, North Korea lobbed a Taepo Dong 1 missile over Japan. Four months later, officials refused U.S. inspectors access to a suspected underground nuclear reactor at Kumchang-ni. President Clinton then sweetened the deal by rewarding Kim Jong Il's half-year-long stall tactics with 1.1 million tons of food worth nearly $200 million. Not surprisingly, American inspectors found no signs of wrongdoing at the long-sanitized facility.

    Even this seemingly humanitarian food aid turned into a weapon in North Korea's hands. Reports abound that rations have been re-directed to the DPRK's military, the fifth largest in the world. This is nothing new. Using food as a weapon dates back at least to Stalin. Communist Ethiopia similarly misused international aid in the 1980s. With this in mind, Rep. Benjamin Gilman, R-NY, warned in 1999, "(A)ny food aid we provide to North Korea . . . must be monitored to prevent diversion to the military and the party cadre. Unscheduled, unsupervised visits by American Korean-speaking monitors would assist us in this regard." It didn't happen.

    It seems little wonder North Korea has made threats of nuclear conflagration its only functional export industry, besides the weapons themselves. Even as floods and famine emaciated its nearly 22 million citizens, regime leaders in this "worker's paradise" earmarked every available dollar for guns, not butter, in the hope that Uncle Sam would pay their price without demanding accountable disarmament. Their gamble paid off. Clinton's appeasement programs made North Korea the leading recipient of foreign aid in the Asia-Pacific region.

    Clinton's policy toward North Korea, a queer amalgamation of Clement Atlee and Alfred E. Newman, has proven disastrous. The most isolated nation in the world has possessed a nuclear weapon capable of striking the United States (the Taepo Dong 2 missile) since at least 1999. Its modern-day commissars have threatened to use these missiles against America a minimum of three times in 21 months. After kicking UN inspectors out of the Yongbyong facility, the short trip to full nuclear status has been quickly engaged.

    With Marxist saber-rattling threatening an atomic showdown on the peninsula, South Korea should be in the lead denouncing the aggressive posture taken north of the 38th parallel. Instead, Seoul has saved its greatest ire for the United States while cozying up with Pyongyang. Polls show more than half of all South Korean youths hold a negative view of America. This generation has been loudest in its call to expel the 37,000 U.S. GIs stationed along the Demilitarized Zone to protect them from 1.1 million of their beloved uniformed northern neighbors. President-elect Roh Moo-hyun, who campaigned on an anti-American platform, has pledged to continue the "Sunshine policy" of benign exchange, assistance and interaction across the DMZ. Roh's predecessor, Kim Dae-jung, spoke openly of the policy's goal: reunification of the Korean Peninsula.

    How this policy engulfed the longstanding military tension evident for 50 years makes an interesting story in useful idiocy. While the Korean Conflict has never formally ended, contemporary South Korea has little fear that the North will transgress the world's longest cease-fire and less appreciation for the tens of thousands of American soldiers who died the last time Stalinists made just such a gambit (including this writer's grandfather).


  6. {...}

    A successful Communist PR operation has swept past transgressions down the memory hole. In recent years, North Korea has allowed families bisected by its border to hold first-ever reunions. The sight of octogenarians visiting children for the first time in half a century tugs at the heart-strings. And the North has carefully orchestrated sympathetic coverage of these reunions.

    The DPRK has stoked the fires of racial solidarity in its rapprochement with Seoul. A banner carefully placed behind a 100-year-old mother visiting her son read, "We have the same blood, the same nation and the same mind." The consanguinity of Koreans again took center stage during the 2000 Olympics, when the nations' athletes entered wearing common uniforms before the "unification flag." A North Korean Olympic official took the opportunity during general press conference grandstanding to hit his talking point, chirping, "We are the same blood." Under Dae-jung's leadership, the two Koreas have begun mutual projects, such as an unfinished railway across both nations and joint industrial ventures. With an ethnic unity further cemented by a warming public image, North Korea could say in its New Year's message that "there exists on the Korean Peninsula at present only confrontation between the Koreans in the North and the South and the United States."

    In 1952-1953, near the time of Stalin's death, the Soviet Union discussed reunifying East and West Germany in a desperate attempt to avoid an arms buildup in West Germany. (Ironically, it was President Reagan's deployment of ICBM missiles in western Europe thirty years later that would prove a major element in the Soviet's collapse.) The East Germans made similar appeals to their separated brethren, appeals made more substantial by the recent hysterical focus on the "one blood" of the Aryan race. Today's pretenders have not missed a trick.


  7. [...]


    Diverting attention from the regime's bloodthirsty leadership to the common peasants trapped under its rule is a classic totalitarian tactic. Throughout the Cold War, Communist propagandists and their cadre of domestic sympathizers and dupes consistently chanted the mantra that Russians are "just people." And after all, aren't we all "just people"? Well-insulated Western visitors would invariably return home to note the warmth (and intense joy) of the Soviet people within the Marxists' iron grip. After one such trip Billy Joel would croon, "We never knew all the friends we had, in Leningrad."

    South Koreans have not just friends but relatives - the "same blood" - across the DMZ. Any military solution risks killing their own kin. Contrary to the North Korean propaganda machine, though, the two Koreas do not share "the same mind." South Korean freedom and economic expansion has shown their starving northern counterparts the possibilities of liberalization, an overture the DPRK has steadfastly rejected. It has instead played the role of an atomic bully. Who, exactly, do South Koreans believe will be the North's first nuclear hostages? Apparently, the point is obscured from the pleasant glow of current North-South relations. The North will undoubtedly clarify the point when it suits their purposes.

    The attempt to blame the current state of affairs on Bush's "axis of evil" speech is cowardly blame-shifting of the worst sort. It is holding the solution responsible for the problem. Clinton's coddling of dictators with a yearning for Weapons of Mass Destruction got us here. But North Korea is only one bloom from the seeds planted during his tenure as Commander-in-Chief, when he forged what one critic called an "astonishing reversal of nine previous U.S. administrations" and their refusal to negotiate with terrorists. It is a dangerous world, and one cannot imagine what future dictators will expect to negotiate for during future incidences of nuclear blackmail. Provided they are interested in negotiating at all.

    Ben Johnson is Managing Editor of FrontPage Magazine and co-author, with David Horowitz, of the book Party of Defeat. He is also the author of the books Teresa Heinz Kerry's Radical Gifts (2009) and 57 Varieties of Radical Causes: Teresa Heinz Kerry's Charitable Giving (2004).

  8. Does this have an application to Iran?

    I do not think so.

    Iran is developing nuclear weapons as a reaction to being attacked by Iraq, where Iran suffered 300,000 dead and 500,000 injured. Iraq used chemical weapons and nerve gas against the Iranians and certainly would have used nuclear weapons if they had them.

    Looking at it logically and dispassionately, it is understandable why Iran would want nuclear weapons.

    Iran in its hate and rhetoric towards Israel, has obscured its one understandable explanation for developing nuclear weapons.

    There is no similarity with the Koreans.

    A nuclear North Korea already exists. It is a fact that China, South Korea and Japan will have to deal with.

  9. I do not want either North Korea or Iran to have nuclear weapons. I do not want the Pakistanis having them either, but that is the world we live in.

  10. I wonder how the South Koreans feel about sending Obama home without a trade deal.

  11. That the NorKs have a weapon that can be loaded and then fly on the Taepo Dong 2 missile is doubtful.

    That the Taepo Dong 2 missile could hit the US, that it can even be successfully launched, another doubtful assessment.

    While Ben Johnson's assessment of history is fairly accurate, his threat assessment of NorK capacity is way off the mark.

    The NorKs pose little threat to the US, closer to none than some, but can rain death down of Seoul, which could result in millions of civilian casualties.

    If we are to affix "blame" to a US President for the current situation, that'd lie at Mr Truman's feet. He is the one that accepted a truce, rather than victory, in Korea.

    Perhaps with good cause, but that was the first case of the US not fighting to win, but accepting the concept that the "Long War" was preferable to victory.

    Part of the risk and cost/benefit calculations that started a trend in Federal war management, a way from victory and towards containment.

    A shift in strategies, exemplified by the change from the War Department to Department of Defense.

  12. The South Koreans have a fully modernized military with a million men at arms.

    Every male in their society has had at least three years military training, giving them almost 18 million bodies to draw upon, to defend their country.

    The South Koreans do not "need" American boys, to defend their country.

    LBJ was right.
    "The atomic bomb certainly is the most powerful of all weapons, but it is conclusively powerful and effective only in the hands of the nation which controls the sky."

    The NorKs do not control the sky, not by a long shot.

  13. "We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves."

    The South Koreans are fully capable of defending themselves against North Korea.

    If China were to start marching southward, beyond the Han River, again, we should come to the assistance of the South Koreans.

    If they were to march southward and then stop at the Han River, we should applaud.

  14. What is the big deal?

    A few homemade rockets?

    Now let's advise the south koreans to not to react and to allow the NKor's the right to fire another 8000 rockets or so for the next 6 years before they too will have the right to respond...

    If we want to fight back as a nation, and we should...

    Time to slow down the purchase of everything and anything made in China,

    Nkor, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah & Syria are all funded and supported by China (others too)

    Time to slow down the Chinese economy.

    Put off for tomorrow for what you would have purchased today.

    (and as a side note, yep time to bomb the Keeba, regardless of the INNOCENT moslems that Ms T loves to defend so much)

  15. Ms t & Obama have the plan...

    Appeasement of the axis of evil, they are the innocents..

  16. The PA yesterday announced that the "western wall" was Islamic..

    That they are so kind hearted to allow "jews" to weep in front of it but in no means is it the property of the "jews"

    Ah the peace partners....

  17. Hamas controlled gaza fired off about a dozen rockets in the last few days at Israel.

    Those shells were photographed still emitting the white phosphorus smoke...

    Ah yes, Israel must be restrained..

    the Obama, Rat & Ms T appeasement plan...

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  19. Interesting reactions - Deuce wants to affix blame to some past president and WiO brings out his equivalency meme yet again. Doesn't do much toward dealing with the current situation. I guess approximately 25k US troops sitting in South Korea will just bury their head in the sand if the war goes hot?

  20. What a zoo the world is. We've been negotiating with some guy thinking he represented the Taliban and now no one knows for sure who the hell he was. He walked off with some big bucks anyway. Is this Korean episode to be laid at the feet of the Kim the father, or Kim the son? Our best Presidential candidate is doing a reality tv show, Bristol threatens to take DWTS, everyone is beginning to riot around in Europe, India faces a new population bomb, we might cut our nuclear forces in half, cut up some subs, we can barely build anything ourselves anymore, and Al Gore now says he was all wrong on corn ethanol, I negotiate with city extortionists, and wise men retreat to join PETA, where a kind of half sane lucidity prevails, sometimes. The only bright spot will be if Melody succeeds in shoveling Quirk aside, young upstart spring pushing out old man winter, and captures the horoscope business for herself.

  21. And your solution is? O wise one Ash.

  22. Nobama just needs to go over there and bow to them. Everything be fine.

  23. It's cold as islamic hell here this morning.

  24. But I can report this - if you put a couple layers of InstaDryFastDry clear nail polish on your metal belt buckle, it will stop the itching of your sensitive skin. I know this from the last few days experience. A miracle, like unto pure black cherry juice for gout.

  25. It's so cold here I gotta let the car warm up for about 10 minutes out there to melt the ice off the windows, could barely open the doors, the windowless convertible occupying the comfy of the garage.

    Shit, this is only November.

  26. "nteresting reactions - Deuce wants to affix blame to some past president and WiO brings out his equivalency meme yet again. Doesn't do much toward dealing with the current situation. I guess approximately 25k US troops sitting in South Korea will just bury their head in the sand if the war goes hot?

    First, it is South Korea's problem. Second, it is China's problem. Third, it is Japan's problem.

    South Korea should prepare to pound the living shit out of them and do it.

    China should stop the South Koreans from pounding the LSOOT out of the Norks, through diplomacy of course.

    Japan should ramp up their defenses and announce they are joining the nuclear club. That will give the Chinese a little boost in getting the Norks in line.

  27. What this world needs is a hostile takeover of Souls R Us, get rid of the current corrupt, fraudulent, incompetent, embarrassing, felonious management.

  28. ash "WiO brings out his equivalency meme yet again. Doesn't do much toward dealing with the current situation. I guess approximately 25k US troops sitting in South Korea will just bury their head in the sand if the war goes hot?"

    No Mr Bond I expect our troops to KILL the North Koreans...

    What a world, we spend billions to squat armies around the globe, they enemy shoot and fire rockets to kill us and we apologize.

    The goat fucking arabs have started 7 wars with israel and lost everyone... Now they get pissed wihen israel fights back...

    starting wars and losing them have consequences...

    we should cut off all food water and all such aid to our enemies at once.

    if they have the money to build nuke plants? they have the cash to buy food.

    same with Ms T's most prized people, the arabs...

    Israel needs to cut off all aid, food, water and medical supplies to gaza. Let egypt deal with their brothers...

    if they shoot a rocket?

    level a block of flats.

    if they shoot a chemical rocket at a civilian target?

    level 10 blocks.

    if north korea shoots a 3 hour rocket attack?

    take out their electric generation ability

  29. Japan could probably slap some nukes together in fortnight.

    The thought however leaves me a little uneasy.

    Everybody and his cousin is going to have nukes.

  30. Everybody and his cousin is going to have nukes.


    and after the smoke clears...

    America will be the only one standing....

  31. Interesting that there is a legitimate school of thought about gun ownership:
    "A right to carry state is a polite state."

    I wonder if that applies to nuclear powers.

  32. I wonder if that applies to nuclear powers.

    Not if you wear a sign that says " even though i carry, my pappy told me I am not allowed"

  33. What would the world look like if the following happened in 24 hours.

    the black rock of the keeba was nuked, destroying it and killing 1 million moslems

    north korea was hit with a several nukes taking out key areas of nkor nuke plants, army and rocket clusters...

    several nukes hit key iranian sites, republican guard sites and main command and control targets

    several nukes hit southern lebanon and syria's main military targets including the beka valley and damascus.

    several nukes took out northern pakistan where the taliban hideout...

    I wonder...

  34. Maybe not if you're a Twelver, too.

    America still standing....Israel remaining standing too, of course.

    Paper says something like 60 cars off the roads. Highways are locked down closed tight north, west and east. Which means you can't go south either, to do that you must go east first.

    We are locked down, snowed in here.

    I noticed yesterday, no spraying of that liquid de-icer by the highway crews. Maybe budget cuts.

  35. What can one say except we'd be a better world for it.

  36. .

    Talk about dumb as a stump.


  37. I wonder...

    what would happen if the west bank was ethnically cleansed of all arabs, pushed into jordan in a made sweep...

    I wonder, if Israel lived up to the rat's and Ms t's vision of Israel and started to eject all arabs from Israel as well, exiling them to jordan...

    If gaza was destroyed and all it's people pushed into the sinai for egypt to absorb...

    I wonder...

    I wonder if America started to throw out all illegal mexicans back into Mexico what would happen..

    I wonder what would happen if Europe started to become radical nationalists and started to deport all Arabs, Moslems, turks, africans that did not fit the identity of the nation in europe..

    Germany for Germans

    England for English

    France for the French

    I wonder...

    Would the islamic world expel the non-islamic people that live there?

    How would all the non-moslems leave mecca? (there are none)

    How could the arabs world survive without all the cheap labor imported from asia and africa?

    I wonder...

    it's a great big reset button that is about to be pushed...

    my "i wonder" aint my wishes, it's my prediction

  38. let's imagine a world without Iran, Sudan, Egypt, Hamas, Hezbollah, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Somolia, Yemen, North Korea, Arabia & Pakistan...

    Let's start there....

    Close your eyes...


    Now before Ms T and Rat start attacking me, notice how when Iran hold it's ANNUAL Image a world with out America and Israel we never hear a world of criticism.

    SO dont hate the messenger...

    let's figure a way to make those nations irrelevant.

  39. You hang out in parking lots in Detroit.

    Talk about dumb as a stump.

  40. Imagine a world without Mullahs,
    It's easy if you try
    No hell among us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today, not for death

    Imagine there's no islam
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no black rock too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will live as one

    Imagine no burkas
    I wonder if you can
    No need for black cloth or hoods
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world

    You may say that I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will allowed to live.

  41. Should men and lesbians allowed to have an opinion about abortion?

    I think not....

  42. Obama Support Slips Under 40%

    You knew it was going to happen. Nice photo of a sinking ship going down in an ice laden sea.

  43. msnbc trash palin because her ratings were at 43%

    not a word about the obumbler

  44. My solution: Pop some popcorn.

  45. My immediate solution is head to the Casino with the wife to meet Dale at 10:00am for breakfast and the free Wampum. The highway is open that far.

    This is a real bitch of a storm, worst one I can remember this early.

  46. Palin's Strategy Either Genius of Insanity

    She's just taking advantage of the way the country has evolved. Can you imagine The Huckster on a reality tv show? Romney climbing a cliff? Either killing fish with a club?

    Bless her.

    wampum time

  47. Melody, one time you wanted to know who Habu is - this is your typical Habu here - little bit toned down from the usual

    -24. Habu

    Nothing new in this post.

    I have advocated for five years nuking several of our enemies. Af-G is topographically perfect.

    North Korea, the paranoid state of planet Earth is also due for a nice hunk of megatonnage, nuclear style.

    Folks, it’s coming so by what logic does one wait for a first strike when multiple enemies have been attacking us for decades, or in the case of Islam for centuries …. just refer to Pres. John Adams and T. Jefferson.

    We gain zero advantage in waiting to be hit first. The reality is the USA is, and has been, the most giving country the world has ever known, but we should also show some offensive backbone after being threatened time and again by NorKo,Iran, and the AQ via the Taliban.

    Nuke first, then negotiate. Guarantee the world will be all ears. As for the Chicoms and the Sovs …lets just see if they go all in to save the above mentioned delinquent states. They won’t.

    now I'm outta here

  48. Where are all the liberal woman's groups when it comes to the outrageous treatment of woman by Islam?

  49. Deuce said...
    Where are all the liberal woman's groups when it comes to the outrageous treatment of woman by Islam?

    They only care that Israel denies women the right to be official "rabbis" in Israel..

    Womyn's groups have selective agenda's, mostly against the West.

    It's like Queers for Palestine.. They hate Israel, and hide who they are in the Islamic society that they live in..

    Nuke the Keeba in 2011.

    Peace is only a nuke away.

  50. Where are all the liberal woman's groups when it comes to the outrageous treatment of woman by Islam?

    Have asked myself the same question. It's why I can't take them at all seriously.

    Not trying to pump up Palin here, but I don't think she'd shy away from criticizing islam.

  51. Any that wish to support nuclear power in the USA may wish to do so here -

    AEHI Requests Email Comments Prior to Rezone Hearing

    Time is Running Out to Show Support in Writing

    EAGLE, Idaho, November 23, 2010: Alternate Energy Holdings, Inc. (OTCQB:AEHI; requests that supporters of the company's plan to build a nuclear power plant in Idaho email written testimony to the Payette County Planning and Zoning Commission.

    The deadline for all emailing testimony is the end of business on Friday, November 26th, 2010.

    These will prove invaluable as commissioners willl use them and verbal testimony at the hearings to determine the future of the proposed nuclear power plant.

    The process is simply, just send an email stating your name, where you live, and a brief statement of support for AEHI and the proposed project

    Send the email to:, or

    If you can also attend the upcoming hearing, please do so and please testify.

    The hearing is scheduled for December 2nd, 2010 at 7:00 p.m. at the Payette County Courthouse, which is located at 1130 3rd Ave. North, Payette, Idaho.

    About Alternate Energy Holdings, Inc. ( -- Alternate Energy Holdings develops and markets innovative clean energy sources. The company is the nation's only independent nuclear power plant developer seeking to build new power plants in multiple non-nuclear states. Other projects include Energy Neutral(TM), which removes energy demands from homes and businesses ( Colorado Energy Park (nuclear and solar generation), and Green World Water(TM), which assists developing countries with nuclear reactors for power generation (, production of potable water and other suitable applications. AEHI China, headquartered in Beijing, develops joint ventures to produce nuclear plant components and consults on nuclear power.

    Have already voiced my support.

  52. Deuce said...
    Where are all the liberal woman's groups when it comes to the outrageous treatment of woman by Islam?

    Obviously, some are poring over translations of the Apocryphal books of 1, 2, 3 and 4 Maccabees in order to take silly, gratuitously vicious shoots at Israel/Jews/Judaism/Zionism/etc.

    apocryphal [əˈpɒkrɪfəl]
    1. of questionable authenticity
    2. (Christian Religious Writings / Bible) (sometimes capital) of or like the Apocrypha
    3. untrue; counterfeit

    adjective dubious, legendary, doubtful, questionable, mythical, spurious, fictitious, unsubstantiated, equivocal, unverified, unauthenticated, uncanonical

  53. Sometimes Miss T almost sounds as if she is defending islam.

    Doesn't she know that in Iran she'd be hung from a crane?

    You could ice skate on some of our streets here today.

    The highway crews are not out there.

    It must be the budget cuts.

    The insurance companies are taking it in the head, today.

    But a big winner day for the body shops.

  54. My daughter was 98th in line to get her studded snows put on at Les Schwab, where the workers still work hard. Good company. Always been more than fair to us.

  55. bob said...
    Sometimes Miss T almost sounds as if she is defending islam.

    Not as much as she is trying to bash Israel and Judaism

  56. And Melody, here is Habu philosophising upon death -

    2. Habu

    There are few metrics I am aware of that measure bravery. Certainly our all volunteer armed forces are a testiment to an individuals willingness to go in harms way but how much of that is economically driven. The shoeless men at Valley Forge weren’t there for economic reasons, liberty was their mantra.

    I believe it is better to die standing than on you knees. As Caesar said to Calpernia on the way to the forum, Of all the things I yet have herd it seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death , a necessary end, will come when it will come

    Amen brother.

    I have always liked Habu, and he may well be right, we should be using our nukes, cause our society is the better. He often quotes Shakespeare to the warlike points, those he likes, but I really don't think he has much of a feel for the whole laundry list there, if you know what I mean.

    Habu is listed among the angels, in the Lord's Holy Book.

  57. Where are all the liberal woman's groups when it comes to the outrageous treatment of woman by Islam?

    obviously its about gaining power in America.

  58. It just occurred to me, Habu and Quirk would just not get along.

  59. Where are all the liberal woman's groups when it comes to the outrageous treatment of woman by Islam?

    obviously its about gaining power in America.

    A subtle, insightful, meaningless statement, if there ever was one.

    I'll take Melody's "don't build a mosque at Ground Zero, or anywhere else for that matter" over Miss T's b.s., and this newest any day.

  60. One more thing, cause I'm pissed today, you fockers just don't know, just don't know, just can't know, how goddamn irritating it is to negotiate with the focking Planning czar of the City of Moscow, when my ancestors and friends built the good place.

    The focking City Council has abrogated it responsibilities.

    Forgive, I'm having my period.

  61. God, Here Is What She Is Working On

    The name of it is "Turn on the fore Hand' - she says - "the control is all in your ass"

    The horse in the video is not doing what she is practising.

    In her deal, one hoof has to remain stable.

    She will get her horses, just as she likes.

  62. Daughter fixed it up, mostly.

    Now I have listened and read the song.

    Those weren't bad lyrics, Melody.

    You need to send your daughter to horse back school, and I need to send my daughter to dance.


  63. So I ask the daughter, how does she do that?

    And she tapes me on the shoulder, so light, right and left and back, just like that, and she says, dad, it's fun.

    She will get her horses.

  64. The Bizarre Case of Nietzsche: The Pro-Jewish Writer Who Inspired a Million Anti-Semites

    These inspired crusaders can be found anywhere. A little German, like a little knowledge, can be a dangerous thing.

  65. Heh, Allen


    I am having enough calling other than kissing my cought when I am a horse.

    Lest my duaghter tells me so, and she keepin' ain't nothin' back.

  66. Man, I tell you, this is worse than '85, when my Jewish lawyer told me "Bob. bob, bob, I can't force them to settle this year"

    That was the year my wife and I really sucked it up. It wasn't so damned cold, so early.

    We just cuddled, and let it pass.

    There are more things than money.

    Finally, we won.

    A damn good cuddle before zero is one of them.

  67. That came out wrong.
    I meant to say -