“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Sunday, May 30, 2010

Law and Punishment for You. A Choice for Our Rulers and Masters

We have Obama cabinet members that pick and choose which US laws they will follow and enforce. We have two presidents in a row who would not enforce Federal immigration laws.

Obama and his staff ignore US Code and try to bribe a sitting US Congressman who is running for The US Senate.

Referrenda, bringing in new law to states such as California are routinely ignored.

We have an entire class of non US citizens claiming rights while openly ignoring US laws. They and their supporters go further and demand laws be changed for them so that laws themselves no longer guide civil behavior, they follow it.

Today we have the latest example with the Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard being bypassed by state hired private attorneys because General Goddard is reluctant to enforce the law.

Laws have become a choice.

Go off script and we should rewrite the script.

Drive 65 mph in a 35 mph zone and the police and local authorities should change the signs to 65.

Break US law as a university dean and one day become a Supreme Court Justice.

We routinely hear politicians say "but it is done all the time, everyone else is doing it."

Jusdge Napolitano made this observation almost two years ago. It is just as apt today:


Ariz gov. bypasses attorney general on immigration lawsuits
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 29, 2010 3:45 p.m. EDT

(CNN) --
Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona has bypassed Attorney General Terry Goddard and will rely on other lawyers to defend the state against lawsuits challenging its controversial law targeting illegal immigration, according to a statement.

The legislature gave Brewer the power to hire outside counsel "because of its lack of confidence in the Attorney General's willingness to vigorously defend" the law, she said in the statement.

Her statement referred to Goddard's opposition to the new immigration law, which lets police officers check the residency status of anyone who is being investigated for a crime or possible legal infraction if there is reasonable suspicion the person is in the United States illegally.

Critics, including U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, have said the law will promote racial profiling. Several lawsuits have been filed to challenge the law. The federal government is considering whether to file a lawsuit of its own.
The governor's statement came after the U.S. Justice Department sent an assistant attorney general and several other key officials to Arizona on Friday to emphasize federal reservations about the new law.

The federal officials met separately in Phoenix with Goddard, a Democrat, and aides to Brewer, a Republican.
"We continue to have concerns that the law drives a wedge between law enforcement and the communities they serve, and are examining it to see what options are available to the federal government," said Justice spokeswoman Hannah August.

After the Justice Department visit -- and before the governor said she would bypass him -- Goddard said in a statement that he told the federal lawyers that Arizona would "fight back" if the federal government sued Arizona.
"The people of Arizona are deeply frustrated by the federal government's inability to enact comprehensive immigration reform," he said.

The governor said she acted due to Goddard's "curious coordination with the U.S. Department of Justice ... and his consistent opposition to Arizona's new immigration laws."


  1. Donuts to ameros, as Rat would put it, Arizona ends up repealing its own law.

  2. You should have read the thread's quoted material, before declaring that AZ Attorney General Goddard will chose not to enforce SB1070. That is not the case, at all.

    What the Governor is doing, hiring private lawyers to defend AZ, in civil lawsuits, which are being filed to nullify SB1070.

    That is a common practice, here, to hire outside lawyers to defend the State, in Federal Court.

    Mr Goddard is running for Governor, against Ms Brewer.

    You are being whipsawed by local Arizona politics, it is not a National issue, Ms Brewer disrespecting Mr Goddard.

    It certainly is not a case of Mr Goddard not enforcing or defending AZ law.

  3. I think the post in its totality is indicative of a trend of one set of rules for me but not necessarily for thee.

  4. I will defer to your obviously greater familiarity of Arizona politics, donuts to ameros.

  5. The legislature gave Brewer the power to hire outside counsel "because of its lack of confidence in the Attorney General's willingness to vigorously defend" the law, she said in the statement.

    Her statement referred to Goddard's opposition to the new immigration law,

  6. I'll take that bet. What Arizona has done is what was proposed shortly after 9-11; which is enabling local and state law enforcement officers to take a more active role in immigration enforcement. At that time, for some reason though, the Feds killed the initiative by making it prohibitively expensive to train the state and locals. The issue boiled, (raged) to the National level again (under Bush) with the Feds riding out the firestorm without doing anything.

    The pressures have been building along the border and with a new Governor in place, Arizona has acted to either do something on their own or force the issue on the Federal level.

    I hope that they will not fold under pressure and that we will finally see some meaningful changes made at the National level. Comprehensive Reform must begin with control of immigration. It's ludicrous to even talk of regularization or amnesty before stemming the tide of illegal. Recently, I heard one Arizona border resident say that every time there is talk of amnesty, a flood of immigrants come across the border.

  7. I would agree with your view towards selective enforcement of the "Law".

    I am not sure that it is a "trend". Selective non-enforcement, really, is what the "Law" is all about.

    Politically speaking.

    Presidents ignoring the law, a rich tradition, from Andy Jackson, through today.

    Selective enforcement of the Law, a Federal tradition since Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion.

    On a local level, there are various examples, but Mr Goddard's prosecutions of Mormon bigamists, a vivid example of where there has been a change in enforcement standards. Where the State went from ignoring gross violations of the law and customs of our State, and went after at least some of the offenders.

    Mr Bush, at the border and the job site, the premier example of a modern President ignoring the law to suit his paying constituencies, at the expense of the law and the Will of the People.

    He allowed millions of violations of immigration law to go unchallenged.
    On a scale of benign lawlessness, by the Federals, and the accompanying anarchy, without any precedent that I know of.

  8. Deuce's point is about government not being responsible to the people. This is America, the United States, the country that revolted against tyranny. That spirit is still alive as evidenced by the Tea Party movement. People are fed-up with DC politicians and activist judges who ignore the source of their power and authority.

    The days of saying one thing in the hustings and doing something altogether different in the capitol are coming to a close.

  9. Yes, whit, he opposed the passing of the Law.
    It is a bad law.

    Regardless he also said:
    After the Justice Department visit -- and before the governor said she would bypass him -- Goddard said in a statement that he told the federal lawyers that Arizona would "fight back" if the federal government sued Arizona.
    "The people of Arizona are deeply frustrated by the federal government's inability to enact comprehensive immigration reform,"

    The Governor is acting politically, to disrespect Mr Goddard, her opponent in the coming November election.

    Not based upon any action Mr Goddard has taken, with respect to enforcing or defending SB1070.

    It is local politics, by the Governor, whit.

    We do it all the time, here, hire private lawyers to defend the positions of the elected officials.

  10. And Mr Goddard is correct, even if the border were secured tomorrow, it would not begin to alleviate the problems we have.

    Without comprehensive immigration reform, the cancer will spread, even if the flow of migrants is halted. Which is not happening, in any case.

    There are 20 million of these undocumented folks and they are integrated into the fabric of our society.
    That's a reality. Get used to it.

    The is no political will to find and deport those folk, even if it were physically possible and economically viable.

    Regularize them, or it will destroy the culture of the United States we have all grown up with.

  11. The majority of the professional law enforcement folks, here in AZ opposed SB1070.

    There is nothing untold or illicit in taking that political position.

    SB1070 will hinder effective law enforcement, not compliment it. That is the position of most of the Police Departments.

    The Sheriff Departments, those that are paid, per prisoner, to house the misdemeanor offenders, favor SB1070. It will increase the prisoner counts and their funding.

  12. Mr Bush sp polluted the United States with his lack of enforcement, that there is now:

    No going back

    Those immigrants, they'll "clean up". Naturally.

    Just like the oil on the marsh lands of LA. It'll just takes time.

  13. Yes, securing the border would begin to alleviate the problems. Sure, it would be a long process but first steps must be taken.

    Who has been calling for mass deportations?

    When George Bush, John McCain and Lindsey Graham joined forces with the Democrats to craft an amnesty bill, the country rose up and unleashed a firestorm on Washington. Washington backed off and said "We get the message, control the borders first."

    Now, the people see nothing but half-ass, half-step measures which essentially sputtered to a halt when Obama decided to discontinue work on the border. The people also see either incompetency or intentional deceit in the way the border has been "secured". (I'm thinking of the virtual fence).

    This is about the government, particularly the Feds, being responsive to the people and by "people", I mean the red, white and blue, flag-waving Americans.

  14. If it takes a "bad" law in Arizona to refocus the nation's attention on a serious problem, then so be it.

    Hopefully, trish will be right and Arizona will repeal the law when the Feds do their duty.

  15. So, whit, since the Federals will not move to secure the border, which, we all agree,they are not doing.

    Then, by default, we will leave those 20 million people in a "Gray Zone" while creating a two tiered society.

    That is just bad policy, for US.

    The quicker we can regularize the undocumented, the better for all of US.
    That is true whether the Federals build the fence out, or not.

    The two issues, while complimentary, are not totally interconnected.

    While you and others may want to go "One step at a time" if the Federals do not take the first step, the problem only compounds.

    And the Federals, they are not taking that first step. Nor will they.

    So, those that oppose documenting the currently undocumented, they can watch the problem expand.

    Anarchy and lawlessness will reign.

    It already does.
    Go talk to Mr Sestak, about that.
    Or Scooter Libby, for that matter.

  16. Well, whit, if you do not deport them, will not regularize them, and want to wait for the sun to raise in the west, before taking any action to legally integrate those 20 million residents into our society.

    It leaves the status que, in place and growing. Which is, and has been, the "Plan" of the North American Union advocates, all along. They just do not hold press conferences to discuss it.

    Reality speaks louder than words, if you'd only listen.

  17. It is Not a "Bad" law. It is a Good law. It requires the police to investigate "Suspected" illegal undertakings.

    It will Not be repealed. Governments don't repeal Wildly "Popular" laws. This law has a 71% Popular Approval in the State of Arizona.

  18. Meanwhile, "Top Kill" has failed to stem the flow of oil, into the Gulf of Texas.

    Is it time for a tactical nuke?

    Can we learn something from the Russians?

    Or are we so culturally afraid of the nuclear option that we will allowing the destruction pf the fisheries in the Gulf of Texas, because of it?

  19. The current law, rufus, allows the police to investigate "suspicious or illegal activities".

    If the fella has no ID, and is an illegal, the police bring them in. Now.

    They are turned over to ICE who deports or releases, pending a hearing.

    With SB1070 the State of AZ can now hold those fellas in the County Jail, for six months, before releasing to ICE, to deport or release, pending a hearing.

    The only difference, the day rate paid to Sheriff Joe, for holding those folk, for those six months prior to the hand off to ICE.

    He runs a tight ship, at the jails, and maintains a positive cash flow from their operations.

    Can the majority favor a bad law. You better believe it.

  20. With SB1070 the State of AZ can now hold those fellas in the County Jail, for six months, before releasing to ICE, to deport or release, pending a hearing.

    SB1070 also imposes a $500 fine and jail costs for first time offenders. Double for subsequent violations.

    All of the above sound like pretty good deterants.

  21. The unforeseen consequence, rufus.

    To deport an illegal, they have to agree to it. If the deportee requests a hearing, it must be scheduled and held.
    The deportee is then released on the own accord, and expected to report at the scheduled hearing.

    Today most of those captured agree to immediate deportation.
    If the State prosecutes them, they remain in jail, becoming educated to US laws and regulation.

    Upon release from County jail, they will request the hearing.

    The problem will expand, as the immigration system clogs upon the influx of knowledgeable migrants.

    SB1070 is terrible law.
    But it is the Law, regardless.
    Won't effect me.

  22. Governments don't repeal Wildly "Popular" laws.

    - rufus

    I simply suggest that it's not going to remain wildly popular.

    As I understand it, whit, the President merely halted further work on the virtual fence portion and did so because because the contractor, Boeing, failed to deliver a functioning system.

    But I'm willing to be corrected.

  23. Once taken by ICE, whit, and released pending a hearing, the migrant is afforded "Legal Status".

    At lest until the entire process is completed. But while waoting upon the Hearing and its' appeals, the potential deportee is a legal resident of the US.

    Only after a deportation, if that is the outcome of the hearing and appeals, that the migrant could be prosecuted, under SB1070, again.

  24. If flooding the legal system and creating unfathomable grid lock is the desired effect, we'll achieve it.

    Guarenteed that the Federals will not increase funding to the district that handles the AZ hearings.

    The system will clog, backlogs of untold consequence will emerge.

    Plain as the nose on doug-o's pineapple..

  25. And for Quirk: There's an article today in the Washington Post on the Colombian presidential race. It discusses the difficulty Santos is having making a connection with the people, whereas the extraordinary individual he is political heir to has been a "man of the people."

    And you know, to our non-Colombian sensibilities, Alvaro Uribe was hardly a man of the people. The most unlikely guy to achieve rock star political status among the poor and super-wealthy alike. Extremely well-educated; professorial as all hell; coughy and sniffly. A very strong, very serious speaker. The right man in the right place at the right time. But no natural charismatic nor obvious wartime leader.

    Whereas Mockus very well may be "a man of the people" - for the rising urban middle class. A real Facebook politician.

    From a foreign and security policy standpoint, I don't think it matters much who wins. Chavez will be delighted in the event that Santos loses, but as a practical matter wouldn't gain anything. The counterinsurgency will continue and may one day in the not-too-distant-future finally push the insurgents over a cliff. That moment awaits and we've certainly not been shy about our desire to see it hastened.

    That a Mockus presidency is possible is, from my distant and detached POV, an indication of just how much breathing space has been won in eight years. And it may be possible for a President Mockus to establish as close a political relationship with President Obama as Uribe enjoyed with Bush. Political relationships do matter.

    However it ends, Alvaro Uribe will leave office as the man who, for all the wrenching scandals, saved that country from total disaster. With no small amount of assistance from the extraordinarily talented former Defense Minister.

  26. The State Houses of the freakin' Government of Mass just passed a strongly anti-illegal law, fer crissakes. It wasn't even a "party-line vote. Even the Dems were forced to vote for it.

    A few more States, and then the Dam will burst. The Elites "sometimes" do have to bend to the will of the people. And, with 9.9% Unemployment the "People" are pretty much lined up on the side of "Build the Fence," and kick the bums out.

  27. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the border fence security measures are essentially complete. See the official map

    What a relief! So, what's the problem? We've got a secure border.

  28. You're nuts, rufus, if you think the solution will be arrived at, in November.

    Usually you're pretty swift, but even you misjudge the severity of the border and immigration crisis.

    Its' part in the "Grand Scheme" of things. We did not arrive here, by accident.

    No, not at all.

    Top Kill failed!

    There is no sunset provision on that Deep Horizon.

    Dead Zone, I've heard that a lot, this morning.

    It's time to ride the tide!

    Go Green, Baby, Go Green

  29. Who knew?

    Cliff Claven moved to Arizona after Cheers closed.

  30. "In all honesty, this law isn't going to have much impact on Anybody."

    It buys a whole lotta headache to little positive, practical effect.

    I know, Quirk. Before you say it. You knew all that already. I'm just killing time before errands.

  31. And the border barriers through Texas are supposed to be more difficult because of problematic land acquisitions and transfers.

  32. Two points:

    The broader issue on selective ignoring of the law by governmental officials and enforcement of laws when they want to target an individual.

    If a governmental agency wants to take you down they can and will with laws and statutes which are mostly ignored.

    There are far too many laws on the books that have effectively diminished the rights of an individual from the state.

    On Illegal immigration:

    No one needs to send mass amounts of people back. It is far smarter and just to take away the incentives for individuals and businesses to hire illegals. I have suggested a fine equal to ones year's pay per employee.

    That would reduce illegal employment by 75% and they would go home. If businesses need foreign employees that is a good thing, but let them do it legally.

  33. "With SB1070 the State of AZ can now hold those fellas in the County Jail, for six months, before releasing to ICE, to deport or release, pending a hearing."

    Somehow I think this would cause a modification of future behavior much more than a first class seat back to Mexico.


  34. I'm in total agreement on the first point, Deuce.

    The second, that would be possible, by the Federals have and will continue to take those steps.

    Plain as day.

    Mr Bush would not do it.
    Mr Obama will not do it.

    The next President, he'll be confronted by the same economic, political and international realities, and will not do it, either.

  35. Whit, that map does not comport with any other description of the reality on the ground.

    Facts via Mr. DeMint:

    Finish the Border Fence Now
    by Sen. Jim DeMint

    There’s been a lot of hand-wringing over Arizona’s attempt to enforce our nation’s immigration laws but not much information about how the federal government has dropped the ball.

    Four years ago, legislation to build 700-miles of double-layer border fence along the Southern border was supported by then-Sen. Barack Obama and signed into law by President Bush. Yet, only a fraction of that fencing is in place today.

    According to staff at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), only 34.3 miles double-layer fencing has been completed along the Southern border. Most of that fencing, 13.5 miles, is in Texas, while 11.8 miles are in California and 9.1 miles of double-layer fencing are up in Arizona.

    The lack of double-layer fencing can be traced to a 2007 amendment that eliminated the double-fencing requirement and allowed the DHS the option to put other types of less effective fencing in its place. It was lumped into a massive, omnibus-spending bill that President Bush signed into law on December 26, 2007.

    That’s when construction on the double-layered fence essentially stopped. The Government Accountability Office (GAO), Congress’s investigative arm, reported in early 2009 that only 32 miles of double-layer fencing had been built. That means under President Obama, only 2.3 miles of it has been built over an entire year.

    Because I knew the fence wasn’t a priority for the Obama Administration, in July 2009 I offered an amendment to the DHS spending bill to force the President to finish the fence by the end of 2010. It passed easily with 21 Democrats supporting it.

    Under pressure from the White House, however, Democrat leaders stripped my amendment out of the bill behind closed doors, during negotiations between the Senate and the House.

  36. The Freakin' State of Massachusetts' Legislature just passed an illegal immigrant law with enough votes to override a Veto.


    This fall, when the State Legislatures return, there will be a plethora of laws passed. This deal will "Build." The more the Feds fight it, and the more they refuse to adequately enforce the border, the greater the anger will become.

    Obama will not yield, and "build the danged fence;" but Obama is a One-Term President. The Next President will.

  37. A question for the patrons of the Bar from racist Doug:

    Have you seen Richard Pryor's FIRST comedic performance?

    Have you as a free living adult co-habitated with black folk?

    Are you now co-habitating with a black person?

    For racist Doug, the answer to those three queries, is...


  38. The DHS website which has the fence is about as transparent as drilling mud.

    The Feds are trying to pull a scam on the public. Claiming to secure the border but not actually doing anything. This is the exact kind of Bravo Sierra that Tea Party people are up in arms about.

    Lip service is not public service.

  39. "Obama will not yield, and "build the danged fence;" but Obama is a One-Term President. The Next President will."
    If they had built the fence after the Reagan Amnesty, we would not be in this situation now.

    The feds have lied for 30 years about securing the border.

    If 'Rat is right, we face greater pain and suffering.

    If Rufus is right, the situation will become healthier over time.

  40. All that doesn't matter Doug. Nobody thinks you're a racist. We know you, and we know better. However, the "true" racists can take advantage of a small "crack" in the wall, and argue, "you don't complain when Doug uses that word, but, now, you complain when *I* use it."

    It's better just to keep a tight clamp on it.

  41. 9-11 would not have occured had Florida had Az's law in place.

    No big deal, tho.

  42. Anyone living in the "Greater 48", I'd advise to learn Spanish.

    That's the practical alternative.

    Telemundo provides some interesting novellas. Makes learning 'easy'.

  43. Yeah, Rufus, I was quoting words from a Black Man, but even that does not pass as acceptable, given that the N word is always over the line.

    Great as he was, Richard Pryor could not conquer the dumbing down of our culture in matters racial.

  44. We should also probably study Marx, 'Rat.

    After all, it's inevitable.

    When surrender is chosen as the first option in matters cultural.

  45. Rahm Immanuel is in Israel under heavy security.

    How convenient!

  46. We, NOW, have 9.9% Unemployment; and it's not going to get a whole lot better any time soon.

    This issue is "Out In the Open," now, and the "public" is firmly on one side. I suspect the Feds will end up tightening the border, significantly. Eventually.

  47. Doug touched the third rail of American discourse.

    Immanuel can't be questioned about Sestak.

  48. That's okay, Doug. I'm working hard on my "freakin'."

  49. You surrendered, doug, when you left California, going off to tropical Polynesia, instead of fighting the good fight, on your old home ground.

    No worries, though.

    And no, Marxism is not inevitable.
    Socialism, neo-Fascism, that we already have. The status que will beat Marxism, hands down.

  50. If I'm reading between the lines, correctly, the citizens of Mass didn't like paying for illegals under their Masscare law.

    The funny thing is, they were already paying for illegals to receive care; it just wasn't so open, and visible.

  51. Trish, I've seen the election described as the YouTube Generation against the more traditional get-out-the-vote machine, known as la maquinaria.

    Santos seems to realize this. He's started using Twitter and Facebook to get his message out and is offering promises a scholarship program for rural teens and job initiatives for high-school graduates. Whether his moves are comming too late or will be effective remains to be seen.

    I agree with you, the election results will probably mean little to US/Columbian relations (with the exception that if Mockus wins it will kind of mute the Congressional arguments about trade agreements).

    Hard to predict how successful Mockus would be in the job. He says all the right things. But stories early on depicted him as kind of a whack-job (Mimes? Mooning?) More recent stories indicate he has been pretty effective reducing crime and managing money within his his various jobs. (It would still be a pretty big jump up for the guy and the Peter Principle is never ruled out.)

    If the polls prove right I guess we'll be talking about the hat (and any money you want to toss in there) around June 20.


  52. Out of Nowhere

    (for those who consider the T-Party phenomenon a sham, or a diabolical plot)

  53. "Socialism, neo-Fascism, that we already have. "
    What can I say?

    ...hope springs eternal.

  54. "9-11 would not have occured had Florida had Az's law in place."

    Caught a blurb on the radio yesterday that said a Fl. lawmaker was planning on introducing a bill for an AZ style law into the legislature.

    He estiamtes that Fl. has about 800,000 illegals right now.


  55. Whit, I don't know anything about Angle, or Tarkanian; but I caught an interview with that Lowden broad, and she's as dumb as a box of rocks.

    It's hard to beat "something" with "nothing." Harry Reid is a despicable POS, but he knows how to win elections in Nevada. I hope the Pubs can come up with a viable candidate.

  56. 58% of Floridians support an Arizona-type law.

  57. Oh, Doug posted the "Angle" link. Anyway, I hope Angle is a little swifter than Rand Paul, and that Texas "Medina" chick.

  58. Rand Paul,
    Eye surgeon, can't be as whacked as his dad, right?

    Another libtard only a neo-liberal like Trish could orgasm for.

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  60. "If fishing's bad for five years, I'll be 60 years old. I'll be done for," he said after watching BP's televised announcement...

    Cost of the Spill at the Individual Level


  61. Venus Williams loses to Petrova in French Open.

    A tactical mistake in fashion.

    I liked the see thru outfit she wore the other day. However, the outfit she lost in today was black with full length sleeves.

    Pretty but much too much heat absorbtion for a tennis match.

    Not sure if this observation falls under sports, fashion, or science.

    Be honest.

    Too Gay?


  62. - 1 for "pretty"

    + 1 for term "Heat Absorption"

    Marginally acceptable on the "Gaywad" Scale.

    Be careful.

  63. NOGALES, ARIZ. -- Along a rugged stretch of the Mexican border here in southern Arizona, U.S. authorities captured 687 illegal immigrants in a 24-hour period last week, three times the number captured near San Diego. During the past eight months, agents have apprehended 168,000 migrants along this sector of the border.

    The border crossers are so determined, and so impervious to a long-running buildup of federal agents and technology, that few here think President Obama's recent decision to dispatch 1,200 National Guard soldiers and $500 million will make much difference.

    "I doubt it, frankly," said Don Severe, a vocal opponent of illegal immigration who favors stronger measures, including certain incarceration. "It sounds good, but what are they going to do? We have a very serious problem."

  64. Blogger MeLoDy said...

    "Have you figured out my situation yet, Ash?"

    ummm, not quite. I've heard great things about being a grand parent. I've also been warned that once you have kids you always have kids. There is no turning back. I'm not sure how old you were when you reared your young children. In my case I'm very happy I waited until just past my mid 30's to have kids. I was able to take risks and have fun through my 20's an managed to establish my own business. If I had been married with children the financial pressure would have made that path more difficult. I'm also stable enough and happy with myself and my life and I think that makes for easier child rearing. My kids are 11 and 13 and our proudly latch key children...well, my 13 year old sure isn't a child anymore -13 going on 17 it seems. Hopefully I'll live long enough and healthily enough to enjoy grand kids. I doubt great grand kids are in store for me however.

    As to rat's suggestion of a tactical nuke to solve the leaking oil well I would bet it is a tough cost benefit analysis. I would think the toxicity of a tactical nuke would be pretty high and what would be the likely hood of it sealing the leak? I'm sure folks are working those calculations.

    I'm wondering if they can't approach it like a traditional capping of a blow out well. From what I've seen in the drawings of the situation you could cut the pipe above that blow out box and then cap that pipe. Now I don't know the procedures for this and I'm sure using robot subs would make it tough but in my armchair I think it might work. That Obama idiot should be impeached for not doing it my way - dontcha think??

  65. Halladay throws perfect game.

    And how about them damn Yankees?

    (Er, ruf. That was damn Yankees the team. Not Damn Yankees the Braodway Show. Just saying.)


  66. And if your asking how I knew about Damn Yankees the musical, I don't know. I must have heard about it when I was a kid while rifling through the papers looking for the sports page or maybe as a teenager when I was out trying to pick up girls. Or maybe one of the many many many girls I've dated mentioned it.

    Not that it matters of course. Not that I would actually go to see it or anything.

    You know what I mean?



  67. Covered Them bases pretty good, dint ya Sport?

  68. Not an opening I can find.

  69. I mean, "Dangit."

  70. Heck of a day out there Ruf.

    Trying to get some yard work done but the humidity is a killer.



  71. You need to rent a kid, Q. I got one left. Will work cheap. Transportation to the work site, and all the soda pops it can drink. Oh yeah, a cot on the back porch, or somethin. Long term contract available.

  72. I tell you what; you seem like a good guy. I'll pay the transportation. You just supply the cot, and the chain. (only applies to "very long-term" contract.)

  73. Just remembered, I got a spare cot I can send along. Did I mention it should be a Very strong chain?

  74. How long do you suppose it would take to walk from Ms to Detroit carryin a cot, and logging chain?

    Are you in a big hurry about that yard work?

  75. My grandson is coming over tomarrow.

    I usually have him come over just as an excuse to filter some money to him. But tomarrow I'll actually be able to use him.

    One of the advantages of marrying before you are 20. You have a steady stream of help.

    Also, I'll be there to have a drink with him when he eventually turns 21, I'll dance at his wedding, and when he has kids, I'll still have a lawn.


  76. You gotta plan ahead Ruf.


  77. Thanks for the offer though.


  78. ummm Ash, until your Sun May 30, 01:46:00 PM EDT comment, I had not realized that you were female. Had I realized I probably would have responded differently in some of my rebuttals, not in content but in temper.

  79. what did I say that gave the impression I was a female?

  80. I'm rearing children as opposed to bearing them - is that what confused you?

  81. oh, and Deuce, the fact that you would feel the need to respond to me differently based upon my perceived gender (or race - remember when you thought I was a bro?) says more about you than me. All I can do, though, is reassure you that I am a white male in my 50's who was born in the USA but currently resides in Canada.

  82. "ummm Ash, until your Sun May 30, 01:46:00 PM EDT comment, I had not realized that you were female."------heh, Ash is a girl, just like my daughter Ashley.:)

  83. Maybe a little lesbian, or AC/
    DC, too, on the side.

  84. I actually think Ash is a man, though a totally feminized, universityized one.

  85. Plan ahead, Q? You, obviously, have not met my kids.

    Or, me. :(

  86. desert rat said...

    "Meanwhile, "Top Kill" has failed to stem the flow of oil, into the Gulf of Texas.

    Is it time for a tactical nuke?

    Can we learn something from the Russians?


    People in the know @ The Oil Drum explain in detail explain why an explosive would not work, and would only make matters worse.

    Or are we so culturally afraid of the nuclear option that we will allowing the destruction pf the fisheries in the Gulf of Texas, because of it?

  87. They do give the Sovs credit for a macho effort, tho.

    Seems every proven solution that worked elsewhere does not work one mile beneath the briney.

    Still no excuse whatsoever for the Worthless Jive Ass in the WH to have prevented things that WILL work from being implemented more than a month later.

    (Supertankers and Dredges being two examples)

  88. One of my "racist" comments that wasn't but that got deleted anyhow concerned proof of how on top of it from the begining the admin was:

    More than a week later Napalitano bragged about how she had authorized TWO C-130's to spread liquid death on the gulf.

  89. "oh, and Deuce, the fact that you would feel the need to respond to me differently based upon my perceived gender (or race - remember when you thought I was a bro?) says more about you than me."

    Yes, it indicates Deuce has (some) normal human reactions and responses.

  90. Here is a little something someone sent me that is indisputable mathematical logic. It also made me Laugh Out Loud. This is a strictly mathematical goes like this:

    What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in life?

    Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

    A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

    Is represented as:
    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.


    8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%


    11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

    But ,

    1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%


    2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

    AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.

    1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

    So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty, that While Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, its the Bullshit and Ass kissing that will put you over the top.

  91. No, Doug, that comment was not one that got deleted.

  92. The Queen's Riddle

    Barack Obama met with the Queen of England .

    He asked her, "Your Majesty, how do you run such an efficient government?

    Are there any tips you can give to me?"

    "Well," said the Queen, "the most important thing is to surround yourself with intelligent people."

    Obama frowned, and then asked, "But how do I know the people around me are really intelligent?"

    The Queen took a sip of tea. "Oh, that's easy; you just ask them to answer an intelligent riddle." The Queen pushed a button on her intercom. "Please send Tony Blair in here, would you?"

    Tony Blair walked into the room and said, "Yes, my Queen?"

    The Queen smiled and said, "Answer me this please, Tony, your mother and father have a child. It is not your brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?"

    Without pausing for a moment, Tony Blair answered, "That would be me."

    "Yes! Very good," said the Queen.

    Obama went back home to ask Joe Biden, his vice presidential choice the same question. "Joe, answer this for me. Your mother and your father have a child. It's not your brother and it's not your sister. Who is it?"

    "I'm not sure," said Biden. "Let me get back to you on that one.." He went to his advisors and asked every one, but none could give him an answer. Finally, he ended up in the men's room and recognized Colin Powell's shoes in the next stall.

    Biden asked Powell, "Colin, can you answer this for me? Your mother and father have a child and it's not your brother or your sister. Who is it?"

    Colin Powell yelled back, "That's easy, it's me!"

    Biden smiled, and said, "Thanks!" Then, he went back to speak with Obama. "Say, I did some research and I have the answer to that riddle. It's Colin Powell!"

    Obama got up, stomped over to Biden, and angrily yelled into his face, "No! you idiot! It's Tony Blair!"

  93. I'm not sure, at all, that a nuclear device, a BIG bomb, could compress the rock and close a large section of the bore hole.

    No idea, but for what was reported in Pravda. Now I have no great faith in any reportage, from Pravda, but if this is a viable option ...

    An underground nuclear explosion, not a big deal, as we have detonated many nuclear devices underground. There'd be no fallout, no radiation leakage that'd be considered worse than BP's current cocktail.

    One assumes that a nuclear round that could be fired from a 8" howitzer could slide down an 8" pipe casing. The assumption being those oil wells use casing of 8" or greater, anyway, it's what we use for water wells, 8" casing.

    Utilize the second, relief bore, to insert the nuke to the proper depth, ignite and squeeze that rock back together.

    Or so the Russians say the Soviets did it.

    If it is possible, and the US does not try, then any use of nuclear energy can be written off.
    The Federals won't permit any generating nukes, either. The fear of utilizing the atom has totally permeated our culture, if we would rather let that oil spew for decades, rather than even attempt to stem the flow with a big bang.

  94. Sun May 30, 08:36:00 PM EDT---Whit---heh-----

    Rat----Sun May 30, 09:59:00 PM EDT----That's basically what my engineer told me. Might be possible, but risky. A lot unknown.

  95. The Leviathan is on call---

    "Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran
    Uzi Mahnaimi in Tel Aviv

    Three German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline.

    The first has been sent in response to Israeli fears that ballistic missiles developed by Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, a political and military organization in Lebanon, could hit sites in Israel, including air bases and missile launchers.

    The submarines of Flotilla 7 — Dolphin, Tekuma and Leviathan — have visited the Gulf before. But the decision has now been taken to ensure a permanent presence of at least one of the vessels.

    The flotilla’s commander, identified only as “Colonel O”, told an Israeli newspaper: “We are an underwater assault force. We’re operating deep and far, very far, from our borders"

    -----a wake up call-----

    How odd is it, that Germany, that seventy years ago would have killed all the Jews in the world, is now providing the deterrent to prevent another nation from killing most of the Jews in the world? It makes one think, literature may not be the best thing in the world.

  96. Wow. With 99% of the vote counted, it's 47% for Juan Manuel Santos and 21% for Antanas Mockus. Very nearly won today.

    Looks like come June 20, I'll get to hang on to a hat.

  97. Apparently responding to the Israeli activity, an Iranian admiral said: “Anyone who wishes to do an evil act in the Persian Gulf will receive a forceful response from us.”

    Israel’s urgent need to deter the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah alliance was demonstrated last month. Israel’s Defence Minister Ehud Barak was said to have shown US President Barack Obama classified satellite images of a convoy of ballistic missiles leaving Syria on the way to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

    Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu will emphasise the danger to Obama in Washington this week.

    Subs Off Iran

  98. "Looks like come June 20, I'll get to hang on to a hat."

    I am bitterly disappointed having already cleaned off a spot on the wall for "the hat".

    But in the end, a hat is only a hat albeit a very pretty one.

    My real disappointment centers on the fate of that young, now-nameless, AP reporter, a young girl who's "boobless" spelling of Colombia now condemns her to continued ridicule and abuse with no hope of redemption.


    All too familiar. All too recent. All too painful.

    Nameless AP reporter I share your pain.

    Rejoice, Trish, mi querido amiga, enjoy your victory.


  99. "So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty, that While Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, its the Bullshit and Ass kissing that will put you over the top."

    So what's your point?


  100. In other boats, Gaza boy scouts played music, while on shore, other activists released balloons with the faces of Palestinian civilians and militants killed in battles with Israeli forces.

    In Syria, eight Damascus-based Palestinian groups urged Arab and Muslim states to work to support the flotilla and warned Israel against committing any "foolishness to impede the vessels"

    "This could create more tension and trigger unpredictable reactions," said the groups, which included Hamas and the militant Islamic Jihad.

    Israeli Ships Attack

  101. "We were not expecting such an operation in international waters," Omer Faruk Korkmaz, an official of the pro-Islamic aid group, IHH, that led the aid shipment said in Turkey. "Israel has been caught redhanded and the international community will not forgive it."

    Korkmaz said the ship was being escorted to Haifa.

    Turkey summoned the Israeli ambassador to the foreign ministry to discuss the incident, which heightened tensions between Turkey and Israel to new levels.

    Israeli Consulate

  102. "His bookcase was a vast library on death and killing — it wasn't just one book, there were literally hundreds. And dozens of videos as well," Ms Pinder was quoted by The Sun as saying.

    "I suddenly realised he was fascinated with the whole subject of murder. I just knew I had to get out.

    I knew I had to end my relationship with him."

    Death Kit

  103. In oversimplified English, one major reason an explosive would not work is that the seafloor their is similar to oatmeal for quite a distance down, so the result would be that the gusher would no longer gush through the BOP, but would bubble up through the sedimentacious seafloor over an area the size of the blast below.
    Other highly critical stuff goes on down below, too, at that depth and at those pressures: (30 to 40 thousand psi!!!)
    They constantly moniter the pressures and the mud densities to keep a delicate balance, too much mud pressure will fracture the formation.
    Too little will...
    Well, we all know the answer to that thanks to BP NOT constantly monitering and maintaining that delicate balance.
    ...also cut corners on the type of casing, the cement job, sending (or the crew abandoning ship for their own safety) the Schlumberger crew away the morning of the blowout instead of having their expertise on hand at the critical moment of finishing off the well.
    BP stands for Big Time Phuck Ups.

  104. An Israeli religious medical service, ZAKA, said seven people had been admitted to hospital in Haifa, Israel's main naval base, one of them in a serious condition.

    Israeli officials said overnight the navy told the activists by radio to turn back toward Cyprus or head for the Israeli port of Ashdod to unload the 10,000 tonnes of aid, which Israel would then transfer to the Palestinians in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip.

    The convoy set off in international waters off Cyprus on Sunday in defiance of an Israeli-led blockade of Gaza.

    Aid Convoy

  105. How could a guy named "Mockus" expect to win any election for any office anywhere, hmmm?

  106. I wish the Jews would just nuke the Palis and the Hezbos and get it over with.
    ...and assasinate the f..... leadership in Iran as payback for the thousands of missiles now pointed at Israeli civilians.

    No doubt 'Rat will concur with this opinion, right?

  107. ...son of Habu comes back to haunt the bar, with racial epitaphs and loose talk of nuking freaking Muslims.

  108. ...son of Habu comes back to haunt the bar, with racial epitaphs..."

    The irony is palpable.


  109. A rejection of the Israeli push towards divisions in the Arab and Palestinian body is the best solution to counter their "Divide and Rule" strategy. Remaining divided serves Zionist interests perfectly.

    Differences in ideology, beliefs and politics are as much part of Palestinian heritage as almost any other national heritage, because individuals may have different religions, beliefs, values, political ideas. It is only natural that they are varied and diverse, but never should they be at the expense of unity between Palestinians.

    Patriotism and nationalism do not belong to one party, and all are responsible to protect Palestinian society from lack of hope, fragmentation along geographic, political, religious and social divisions. Palestinians should remain patriotic to their land and people and seek dialogue, but inter-Palestinian dialogue, which is what is needed.

    Forget Dialogue

  110. I watched National Geographic's Interrogating Saddam late tonight. Really well done and it plays again next Sunday.

    FBI SAC Piro is quietly impressive.

    Brought back memories of the booth and running through approaches. The often high potential for failure and the dread disgrace of having to end your interrogation due to irreparable error. Watching your own performance on videotape and cringing. Observing others and cringing even more. And that was just in the classroom booth.

    I never interrogated as a certified interrogator. I passed on an assignment in Munich that held possibility in order to be close to my husband and that was pretty much the end of that.

    But there have been times over the past nine or so years that I've wanted to go back to it as a contractor.

    I have friends and former classmates who are still doing it. My own husband did it. Kinda sorta.

    Maybe three months here and there. Or maybe just a really eye-opening week, at the end of which I'm safely consigned to making the coffee. Trish's Excellent Adventure.

  111. Given the - ahem - Gulf quagmire, government officials, industry chiefs, and talking heads may want to develop some variation of the Friedman Unit with which to string a skeptical, frustrated, and increasingly incensed public along. I suggest, so as not to cause undue alarm, paring the unit down from six months to two weeks. "The next two weeks will be critical in determining the outcome of our overall effort." Wash, rinse, repeat.

    Probably don't wanna reprise the notoriously premature "in its last throes," however. As in, "The Deepwater Horizon oil gusher is in its last throes." A little too sharply reminiscent.

    I do recommend a significant embed program because embeds are usually given by immediate circumstance to sympathy and identification with endeavors downrange, whatever those might be. They're worth the minor headache.

  112. "Rejoice, Trish..."

    I did a little dance.

  113. When the junk shot failed, I vowed to try to avoid reading/thinking about it too much, since now it looks like the long wait for the relief well is what they're in for.
    ...and 20,000 frigging barrels more pouring out every day for months.
    Thanks to the weather and currents, very little had made landfall last week, but even so, folks in Louisiana had pictures of beaches covered with dead fish.
    Pelicans, Herons, et al make me sick to my stomach.
    Fucking liberal enviros:
    No nukes, no drilling where the drilling is easy, no drilling in the GD permafrost...
    The Sovs have some of their remote cities powered my miniature nukes.
    They make mini-nukes that can be buried around the country, which would take a load off, and add stability to the grid.
    Too easy.
    The French can do it, but Luddite Yankees can't.
    Boxer for President!

  114. California has twice the population of New York, but 5 times as many welfare cases.
    1 of every three welfare cases in the NATION reside in California.

    ...but, of course it is just my overt racism that informs my opinions of recent immigrants from Mexico.
    ...although if the all had blue eyes, freckles, and blonde hair, I would still feel the same about their effect on our society.
    More to the point the effect of self-loathing corrupt liberals and the welfare state combined with un-educated, non-assimilating, parasitic breeders.
    Spreading poverty, violence, and ignorance wherever the toxic combo takes residence.
    Even to the point of ethnically cleansing neighborhoods in SoCal that were once vibrant working class and small business owner Black neighborhoods. Gag Reflex pointed out, that is the real racism of phoney hustlers like Jackson, Sharpton, and Obama.
    ...on "their own people."

    Not to mention what's happened to California Schools and hospitals.

    Whitman for Guv!
    Couldn't hurt.


  115. Watched a video of Jerry Brown speaking @ UCSB.
    Says the blame is unfairly directed at public employee unions by the GOP.

    Very strange watching young college students excited about watching a 70 year old nobody spouting pure drivel.
    ...but he's for more money for "higher education" so they respond to that like trained seals.

  116. VDH was in a supermarket line in some little town in central CA.

    Folks in front and back of him were trying to explain to an immigrant from Mexico that spoke neither Spanish nor English, how to use his food stamps at the register.


  117. VDH remarked about how strange it is to see folks carrying the Flag of the miserable ass country they came from that they would never choose to return to, in the country where they prefer to live.

  118. In my little hometown there is a monument consisting of a little park featuring a sliver painted Blow Out Protector.

    Referred to as a Christmas Tree, back in the day.

    More than a few Roughnecks bit the dust on rigs in those days.

    Others occasionally blew themselves up trying to tap "drip gasoline" from natural gas lines.

    That made one Hell of a bang, leaving a crater and several hundred feet of broken and twisted steel pipe.

    Life in the oil patch in the good old days.

  119. Hydril Road was a popular spot to park at night to make out, or even get lucky.
    Passing Halliburton trucks were a minor distraction, specially if the panties were already on the dashboard.

  120. We could benefit greatly by fashioning our immigration laws along the lines of Mexico's...

    How Mexico treats its illegal immigrants

    The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

    -- The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset "the equilibrium of the national demographics." How's that for racial and ethnic profiling?

    -- If outsiders do not enhance the country's "economic or national interests" or are "not found to be physically or mentally healthy," they are not welcome. Neither are those who show "contempt against national sovereignty or security." They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

    -- Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama's illegal alien aunt -- a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

    -- Law enforcement officials at all levels -- by national mandate -- must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens' arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

    -- Ready to show your papers? Mexico's National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens' identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens
    Read more at the Washington Examiner:

  121. Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators "Smash the State," and holding signs that proclaimed "No human is illegal" and "We have rights."

    But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot "in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

    As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico's southern border.