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Sunday, October 05, 2014

We know that bombing ISIS, who have little or no infrastructure, is simply not going to be effective - Is this simply a strategy of “mission-creep” for NATO to bomb Assad?

Air strikes against Isis are not working, say Syrian Kurds

Isis fighters have pushed to the edge of Kobani and evade western strikes, says spokesman for Kurdish fighters




US-led air strikes in northern Syria have failed to interrupt the advance of Islamic State (Isis) fighters closing in on a key city on the Turkish border, raising questions about the western strategy for defeating the jihadi movement.
Almost two weeks after the Pentagon extended its aerial campaign from Iraq to neighbouring Syria in an attempt to take on Isis militants in their desert strongholds, Kurdish fighters said the bombing campaign was having little impact in driving them back.
Isis units have edged to within two kilometres of the centre of Kobani, according to Kurds fighting a rearguard action inside the city. The jihadis, who this weekend generated further outrage with the murder of the British hostage Alan Henning, are simply too numerous to be cowed by the air assault by US fighter jets, the Kurds say.
“Air strikes alone are really not enough to defeat Isis in Kobani,” said Idris Nassan, a senior spokesman for the Kurdish fighters desperately trying to defend the important strategic redoubt from the advancing militants. “They are besieging the city on three sides, and fighter jets simply cannot hit each and every Isis fighter on the ground.”
He said Isis had adapted its tactics to military strikes from the air. “Each time a jet approaches, they leave their open positions, they scatter and hide. What we really need is ground support. We need heavy weapons and ammunition in order to fend them off and defeat them.”
The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has reported that warplanes have carried out repeated strikes in recent nights around Kobani. The Pentagon has reported daily on its aerial missions over Iraq and Syria since first deciding to go after Isis two months ago. But it does not pinpoint exact locations. “Two strikes north-west of Raqqa struck a large (Isis) unit and destroyed six firing positions,” it said on Sunday in a statement. Kobani is north-west of Raqqa.
But the claim that the aerial bombardment is not sufficient to turn the tide on the ground will unsettle those in the US-led coalition, including the UK government, who have signed up to an air war as the best way of taking the fight to Isis.
In Washington, military hawks continue to argue for an escalation of the war in Syria and Iraq with the deployment of US ground troops – a move that Barack Obama has repeatedly ruled out.
“The strategy of aerial bombardment is not going to work to destroy Isil [Isis],” the South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham told CNN. “You cannot destroy Isil without a ground component.” He argued that training the inexperienced fighters of the Free Syrian Army in Saudi Arabia was “militarily unsound” and “will lead to their slaughter”.
His words were echoed in London by the former chief of the defence staff General Sir David Richards. “Air power alone will not win a campaign like this,” he told BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show. “It isn’t actually a counter-terrorist operation. This is a conventional enemy in that it has armour, tanks, artillery … it is quite wealthy, it holds ground and it is going to fight. So therefore you have to view it as a conventional military campaign.”
Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister, disagreed. “How you respond is not quite as straightforward as David Richards, much as I respect him, suggests,” he said. “I don’t think it is a question of simply ramping up conventional armed forces again as if we were fighting state-to-state conflicts.”
Clegg said states would cooperate in a “jigsaw” operation in which different countries bring different capabilities against “stateless mobile troops”. But Britain has thus far committed only to air strikes over Iraq, and Clegg said he was opposed to stepping up the British action. “I wouldn’t advocate extending the air campaign into Syria which is why we didn’t do it last week,” he said. The prime minister,
David Cameron, will not propose a vote on Syrian air strikes unless the Lib Dems and Labour agree.
But appetite to confront Isis remains undiminished in the light of the grim succession of the murders of hostages. Cameron vowed at the weekend to use “all the assets we have” to secure justice for Henning, whose murder was broadcast online on Friday night, making him the fourth captive to be killed in six weeks. Isis has threatened to kill an American aid worker, Peter Kassig, next.
Kobani has emerged as the most important flashpoint between Kurds and jihadists in Syria because of the strategic importance of the city and the sheer numbers of Kurds who sought refuge there in recent months. More than 160,000 have fled to Turkey in the face of the Isis advance, sharply aggravating historic tensions between Turks and Kurds. On Sunday, a stray shell hit a village on the Turkish side of the border, injuring five people.
MPs and representatives of Kurdish groups in Turkey arrived at the border to show solidarity with Syrian Kurds and to form a “human chain” stretching along villages bordering Kobani. Meanwhile, Saleh Muslim, co-chair of the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union party (PYD), went to Ankara this weekend to hold meetings with Turkish security officials to discuss possible Turkish assistance in defending Kobani against Isis. Turkey’s government has vowed it will not sit idly by and let Kobani fall.
Turkish media reported that security officials in Ankara urged Muslim to convince the YPG, the armed wing of the PYD that is currently battling Isis in Kobani, to join the ranks of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and to “take an open stance against the Syrian regime” of Bashar al-Assad.
“We are calling on the international community to help us defend Kobani,” said Nassan.
He said the exact outcome of the meetings remained unclear, but hinted that Muslim had asked Ankara to allow for the PYD, the Syrian Kurdish affiliate of the better-known Kurdistan Workers’ party (PKK), to receive arms from outside of Syria.
“If Isis takes Kobani, they will be right on the border with Turkey. This concerns not only us, but Turkey, too.”

179 comments:

  1. ... off topic ... I am feeling old.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/05/showbiz/paul-revere-obit/index.html
    Paul Revere, '60s rocker and leader of the Raiders, dies at 76

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  3. The fight against IS cannot be won from the air, unless IS would stage some sort of suicidal meet up, say, a concert by a British rock group.

    I read today that the Aussies hammered IS, using two (2) whole F-18s. Well, they did make a showing, which was the point, I suppose.

    What next? An attack tortoise from the Galapagos. This is well and truly a circus.

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    In Vietnam, Westmoreland gave us body counts. Today, we get Toyota counts.

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    1. Westmoreland's counts were based on tonnage of munitions used. As for IS, is the number of IS killed a product derived from the weight of Toyotas destroyed or tonnage of munitions dropped? Does the cost of the munition affect its efficiency, e.g., is a cruise missile ten times more effective than a smart bomb? These are heavy questions?

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    Feeling older?

    Today both the Lions and the Tigers lost.

    The Lions haven't really won anything since the glory days of Bobby Lane in the 50's and with Stafford as quarterback I don't expect them to win anything until his contract is up.

    The Tigers have gone to the playoffs four years in a row and lost each time, this time ignominiously in the first round in three straight games. Of course, playing Buck Showalter's Orioles didn't help any. However, what gets so old is its always the same problem, relief pitching.

    I'm on my second scotch and I just don't drink that much anymore.

    By the way, having reread the article I put up yesterday and watching the video Deuce put up today, I've come to the conclusion that Ian Morris is full of shit. However, I'm not in the mood to go into detail on why as it would be a long and tedious task. People will be able to see my reasons on Quirk's Deep Thoughts Blog later.

    However, I have no doubt his conclusions will find a receptive audience among the neocons and the NSA and CIA.

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    1. "Ian Morris is full of shit."

      Yes, yes, he is. I'm into my second glass of wine and I'm not supposed to drink at all. Well, "Harumph", I say.

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  6. I believe you and Rufus are in congruence.

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  7. The perfectors of "The Blitzkrieg in Place."

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  8. Now, I am feeling younger.

    https://www.facebook.com/butterbin/photos/a.453453434770146.1073741825.453449031437253/598289920286496/?type=1&theater

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  9. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/05/air-strikes-isis-not-working-syrian-kurds
    Air strikes against Isis are not working, say Syrian Kurds

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    1. Maybe we should ask them if they want us to stop.

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    2. The Syrian Kurds are not "Active Partners" of the US military.
      They are not calling in the air strikes, they are not coordinating offensive actions in conjunction with the air strikes.

      Without an "Active Partner" the airstrikes are at best, minimally effective.

      That's the reality of Close Air Support.

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      That's the point, h'amigo. No one is calling in the air strikes.

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    4. Exactly right, Quirk.

      If the US wants to beat Daesh (ISIS / al-Qeada) in Syria, it has to have an "Active Partner" in the fight.
      That would be Assad, or the effort is half-assed.

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    5. That has never been in dispute.
      At least not here.

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    6. Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies

      Which is why the US is not partnered with anyone in Syria, the Israeli are 'against' US public policy, there.

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    7. And have stated their opposition to US policy well before it was announced that the US would be fighting al-Qeada, in Syria.
      It is one of the primary reasons that US policy is hamstrung, there, now.

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    8. The U.S. has partnered with groups in Syria. The U.S. is partnering with groups in Syria. The U.S. has trained groups to fight in Syria. The U.S. is training groups to fight in Syria and Iraq.

      It is not the fault of Israel that the U.S. keeps picking "partners" who want the U.S. do actually do the fighting -- oh, let's say Turkey and the Iraqi Army.

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    9. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/who-are-syrian-rebels-u-s-wants-arm-train-n207391
      Who Are the Syrian Rebels the U.S. Wants to Arm and Train?


      http://q13fox.com/2014/09/18/as-isil-captures-towns-senate-prepares-for-rebels-aid-vote/
      Congress approves arming, training of Syrian rebels to fight ISIL


      http://www.albawaba.com/news/syrian-fm-says-us-coalition-still-supports-terrorist-groups-609046
      Syrian FM says U.S.-coalition still supports "terrorist groups"


      http://www.albawaba.com/news/is-coalition-france-605495
      France warily joins airstikes in Iraq, while U.S. pushes to arm Syrian rebels

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    10. You just keep on posting nonsense as fact and I will happily knock it down.


      http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/10/us-iraq-crisis-kerry-idUSKBN0H50MA20140910
      Kerry in Iraq backs government, says Baghdad a partner against Islamic State

      http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/17/politics/obama-isis/
      "After a decade of massive ground deployments, it is more effective to use our unique capabilities in support of partners on the ground so they can secure their own countries' futures," he said. "And that's the only solution that will succeed over the long term."

      Iraqi Kurds are still Iraqi. Iraq is a U.S. partner; therefore the Kurds are as well.

      http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/kerry-urges-kurds-to-save-iraq-from-collapse/vCf4qx/
      Kerry Urges Kurds to Save Iraq from Collapse

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      That has never been in dispute.
      At least not here.


      Whoops. Sorry, I missed that. I have never seen anyone here suggest that we should be partnering up with Assad. When you say 'here', who is it you are talking about?

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    13. "Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies"

      This is a fabrication. The article says nothing of the sort.

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    14. Quirk - I have

      allen - It is not a fabrication, Mr Oren certainly says that.

      Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

      “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

      Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.
      “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” Oren said in the interview.


      http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

      Now as long as the Christians, Alawites and Kurds are associated with Mr Assad, and as long as Assad is backed by Iran, then Israel prefers al-Qeaqda to any of them. al-Qeada is Daesh.
      Daesh is al-Qeada in Iraq, that genealogy is cleared than that of the Ashkenazi Jews connection to Moses.

      Sorry if reality does not fit your storyline, allen.

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    15. ... we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

      Plainly spoken, crystal clear.

      Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies

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    16. Always - adverb

      1. at all times; on all occasions.
      "the sun always rises in the east"
      synonyms: every time, each time, at all times, all the time, without fail, consistently, invariably, regularly, habitually, unfailingly

      2. as a last resort; failing all else.
      "if the marriage doesn't work out, we can always get divorced"
      synonyms: as a last resort, no matter what, in any event, in any case, come what may
      ---------------------------------------------------
      Preferred - verb - past tense: preferred; past participle: preferred

      1. like (one thing or person) better than another or others; tend to choose.
      "I prefer Venice to Rome"
      synonyms: like better, would rather (have), would sooner (have), favor, be more partial to;

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  10. The Kurds are pretty good at managing media. Nothing wrong with that, just a fact.

    The situation up there is just about where it was a month ago, and probably about where it'll be thirty days hence.

    PR aside, the town is pretty much totally irrelevant to anything that we're interested in.

    More power to them; I hope it works out.

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    1. Meanwhile, bringing those Apaches into the fight is an interesting move.

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  11. "If the US wants to beat Daesh (ISIS / al-Qeada) in Syria, it has to have an "Active Partner" in the fight.
    That would be Assad, or the effort is half-assed."

    "That has never been in dispute.
    At least not here."


    What!!!???

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    1. Is the idea beyond your capacity to understand?

      Or is your reading comprehension dropped to the "O"rdure level of Basic ESL?

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  12. Quirk's Deep Thoughts Blog

    Ah, if only he weren't just flicking his dick, and the blog were ratless.......

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    1. Hey, just found this on 'Quirk's Deep Thoughts Blog' -

      Finley: Hamas, ISIS are of the same evil
      Nolan Finley, The Detroit News 12:02 a.m. EDT October 5, 2014
      Obama US Israel

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      Benjamin Netanyahu is calling out the United States and its western allies on their hypocrisy in the war on terror. It's a reckoning that's both merited and overdue.

      In speeches and interviews over the past week, the Israeli prime minister said the terrorists the U.S. is seeking to "degrade and destroy," in President Barack Obama's words, share the characteristics and objectives of the terrorists Israel is battling.

      The Islamic State, or ISIS, and Hamas are "two branches of the same poisonous tree" Nethanyahu told the United Nation's General Assembly.

      Both are committed to the destruction of western ideals and the creation of a new world order dominated by Islam.

      While the west prefers to view Hamas as narrowly focused on ejecting Israel from the Palestinian territories, in truth, Netanyahu says, it is by its charter a chapter of militant Islam, which, whether Sunni or Shiite, "share the same fanatical creed."

      Israel, he says, is the little Satan in the minds of the militants. The real prize is the big Satan, America, and wiping Israel off the map is just a stepping stone to subjugating the United States.

      "That's why Israel's fight against Hamas is not just our fight, it's your fight," Netanyahu told the General Assembly. "Israel is fighting a fanaticism today that your countries may be forced to fight tomorrow."

      So why, he asked, is there almost universal condemnation of ISIS, while nations purportedly committed to fighting terror have made Hamas a protectorate?

      "Last week, many of the countries represented here rightly applauded President Obama for leading the effort to confront ISIS," Netanyahu said in his U.N. speech. "And yet weeks before, some of these same countries that now support confronting ISIS opposed Israel for confronting Hamas."

      This is a contradiction that must be reconciled. Netanyahu is dead right that Israel is engaged in the same battle that Obama is now pressing in Syria and Iraq.

      Israel had the opportunity to score a major victory in the terror war by degrading Hamas' ability to make war and ending its control of Gaza. Had Hamas been destroyed, as Netanyahu set out to do in the 51-day conflict, it would have sent a powerful message to ISIS and other terrorist groups.

      Instead, the U.S. joined other western nations in urging Israel to show restraint in the name of limiting civilian casualties, and ultimately pressured it to pull back before its goals were met.

      Does Obama think the bombs he is pouring on ISIS won't also kill innocent civilians? Will he hold himself to the same measure of restraint he demanded of Netanyahu when ISIS fighters embed themselves in the civilian population?

      Of course not. And if he does, he won't win.

      The U.S. and other nations that have pledged themselves to end terror should have been shoulder to shoulder with the Israeli soldiers as they moved through Gaza, destroying arms stores and terrorist tunnels.

      There is undeniably considerable sympathy for the Palestinian cause in this country and elsewhere. But the cause must be separated from the terrorists who are pressing it.

      What's good for ISIS should be good for Hamas.

      nfinley@detroitnews.com
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      Good roll out, Quirk.

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    2. (I don't know about all the advertising of your own goods and services, though)

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      Don't ever say you found something like that on Quirk's Deep Thoughts Blog or I will sue.

      ...in truth, Netanyahu says,...

      You will never find and oxymoron like that on Quirk's Deep Thoughts Blog.

      If I'm forced to, I'll take you to court. My saucy little Rosicrucian chica lawyer will make mince meat of your non-practicing Catholic floosie lawyer.

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    4. Maria has a Mexican law degree?

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  13. Hagan may be slipping in North Carolina -

    CBS News/NYT/YouGov

    North Carolina: Hagan (D) +1

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    PR aside, the town is pretty much totally irrelevant to anything that we're interested in.

    What is it we are interested in?

    I'm serious. I would like to know.

    The Kurds consider Kobane a priority. They have stated that if Kobane falls the current truce with Turkey ends. They took over the Kobane canton in the vacuum created by the war and have established an autonomous government there.

    The Turks consider it important. Though they seem perfectly willing to let IS kill off as many Kurds as they can, they still have tanks lined up along the Turkish border a few clicks from the town to fight IS if they take the town. And of course there is the refugee problem. In a town with a population of about 400,000, about 1/3 of that population has already fled across the Turkish border.

    IS considers Kobane important. Were they to take it it would complete a line of control that stretches from Raqqa through the Alleppo area north to the Turkish border. Not only would it be a propaganda coup but it would provide a base for smuggling of goods out of Syria and smuggling people in.

    As for the US, they say they plan to degrade IS in Syria. In order to do that they need to go where IS is and they are sure as heck are up around Kobane. Kobane is the most publicized city in Syria right now. If the 'coalition' can break the siege there, it would be good press, great propaganda, win us some friends amongst the Kurds, and possibly gain some 'eyes on the ground' in Syria.

    If we are not interested in Kobane what are we interested in?

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  15. As an alternative name, Quirk, you might consider:

    The Michigan Thinker

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  16. October 6, 2014
    Standing up to ISIS in Kurdistan
    By Frank Audesirk

    I work for Hunt Oil Company as the Environment, Health and Safety Manager. I spend half my time in Erbil and half out on our drilling locations.

    Prior to ISIS, Erbil was a city that was growing like Las Vegas in the 90s. Now it has come to a standstill. There are many unfinished projects -- a lot of the workers have volunteered to join the Peshmarga to help defend the country. Most of the major oil companies have shut down their operations and will probably not return until the situation gets a little more stable.

    In Erbil there is a Christian area known as Ankawa, I drove through there yesterday to see how bad the situation is. To be honest, it's worse than they report. There are refugees living and sleeping in abandon and half-constructed buildings. The local churches are overflowing with people lined outside hoping to get a meal, water, and clean clothes. Vendors are lined up on the streets selling produce that is not fit for consumption. The children play while the parents weep -- it's heartbreaking.



    Yet, as I walked the streets with my armed bodyguard, people said hello, wished me a good day, offered me tea or to please sit and talk with them. The Kurds are a proud, resilient people. They have been kicked around, abused, and persecuted for years. They don't see this situation as a curse, they see it as an opportunity to gain the freedom they have so have desperately wanted for years. As my friend Bengeen told me over tea, we have been through hell for years, this situation takes us one step closer to heaven and the freedom that all Kurds desire. A typical positive Kurdish attitude.

    Our field operations are in an area North of Erbil in Ain Sifini, we are drilling exploration wells and will start producing oil for the KRG in
    April. Unfortunately we are 25 kilometres from Beshika, a stronghold of ISIS. I would be lying to you if I said we are all safe and sound. At any given time we could potentially be overrun -- that's just the way it is. Everyone is on edge and concerned, yet we will continue to do our jobs, it's what we do. Protecting us is the KRGs OPF, Oilfield Protection Force, which is part of the Peshmerga. Slowly their numbers are dwindling as they get called up to the front lines to help fight ISIS. I'm afraid that if the situation worsens we will be left to defend ourselves or be forced to evacuate again.

    I could go on: refugee camps, political outlook, Baghdad. But we will save that for another day.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/10/standing_up_to_isis_in_kurdistan.html#ixzz3FLlGn1IZ
    Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

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  17. By Associated Press - September 24 - A top Iranian general and 70 of his forces were on the ground in Iraq this summer, helping Kurdish fighters defend the regional capital Irbil against Islamic State militants, a senior commander from Iran’s Revolutionary Guard said Wednesday.

    The commander’s remarks appeared to confirm for the first time that Iranian military forces are playing a battlefield role alongside Iraqis against the Islamic State extremist group



    Sep 1, 2014 - Barham Salih: Iran helps Baghdad and Erbil in fight against ISIS Barham Salih, former head of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG)
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    ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDA

    Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies

    Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

    “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

    Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.
    “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” Oren said in the interview.


    The Israeli "Yinon Plan" to destabilize Syria, and Iraq is well under way.
    allen should be taking a bow, not be denying Israeli successes.

    But he and Bibi, they do not want the world to know, they are in full disinformation mode.
    But there is no denying reality ...

    Bibi giving solace to al-Qeada terrorists in an Israeli hospital

    http://www.tlvfaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bibi-2.jpg

    http://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/netanyahu-visits-in-israeli-hospitals-terrorists-injured-in-syria-2.jpg


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  18. We won’t let IS control Kobani: Anwar Muslim tells Kurdpress

    The Prime Minster of the Syrian Kurdish canton of Kobani said the Kurdish militants will not leave Kobani, the center of the canton, and would not allow the militants of the Islamic State (IS) to seize control of the city.

    “We will fight to the end and would not allow terrorists to enter the city,”
    Anwar Muslim told Kurdpress, noting that no jihadist militants has entered the city till now.

    He further assured people that despite having heavy weapons the militants won’t be able to control the city since “our young girls and boys shield their chests against IS tanks and advanced weapons and are not afraid of martyrdom. 55 IS militants have been killed since yesterday and our defense is continuing. We will hold our Eid pray and will stand against threats.”

    He added he and his deputies have taken guns and are fighting along with Kurdish forces, stating that women and children have left the city and men are protecting Kobani.


    News Code: 8521 | Date: 2014/10/04 | Time: 12 : 43
    http://www.kurdpress.ir/En/NSite/FullStory/News/?Id=8521#Title=%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09We%20won%E2%80%99t%20let%20IS%20control%20Kobani:%20Anwar%20Muslim%20tells%20Kurdpress%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09

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  19. “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

    Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

    After all, Iran probably has the fixings for a nuclear weapon by now and has pledged by Allah to use it to destroy Tel Aviv.

    Of course, if one wants to see Tel Aviv destroyed one might well take a different point of view.

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  20. That you would see al-Qeada a a lesser threat than Iran, is your option.
    But the statement, is no fabrication. It is reality.

    Glad you agree that it is.

    We'll let everyone come to their own determination of just how that reality fits US interests.

    That you would defend preferring Islamic radicals to Christians, Alawites and Kurds, that is good to know, Robert Peterson.

    Do you prefer al-Qeada and Daesh to the Kurds, too?


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    1. Where does Robert Peterson draw the line.

      Are you with the Zionists of Israel or the Kurds of Iraq and Syria.

      Which group does Robert Peterson prefer?

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    2. The group the Zionists of Israel prefers, is killing the Kurds of Iraq and Syria.

      Do you stand with the Kurds, or the Zionists?

      You would send US men and women to die for the Kurds.
      Are you a hypocrite, or does Robert Peterson just have that low a regard for the lives of US servicemen and women?

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  21. Robert Peterson has made the case that it is in Israel's "National Interest" to prefer al-Qeada to Christians, Alawites and Kurds in the Middle East.

    He has still not replied as to which group he prefers.
    Whether he would side with Israel and their al-Qeada brethren, or with the Christians, Alawites and Kurds of the Middle East.

    We await with bated breath his announcement.

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  22. Go to bed and get some beauty rest now, rat.

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    1. Robert Peterson is faced with a decision, and he refuses to make it.
      He is proving himself to be a moral coward, again.

      BobSun Jun 22, 01:42:00 PM EDT
      ...
      I have a college degree in English Lit. from U of Washington.

      To avoid being drafted in part. ...


      Avoid -
      verb
      1. keep away from or stop oneself from doing (something).
      "avoid excessive exposure to the sun"
      synonyms: keep away from, stay away from, steer clear of, give a wide berth to, fight shy of, dodge

      The Draft Dodger refuses to take a stand.
      Refuses to set priorities.
      Refuses to tell us what he believes.

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  23. How Obama’s Arab Spring Created the Islamic State
    October 6, 2014 by Raymond Ibrahim 0 Comments

    Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, a Judith Friedman Rosen Writing Fellow at the Middle East Forum and a CBN News contributor. He is the author of Crucified Again: Exposing Islam’s New War on Christians (2013) and The Al Qaeda Reader (2007).

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    Muslim-brother-3-500x340Over a decade ago, the U.S. conquered Iraq; its military and intelligence were on the ground for years with autonomy. In other words, U.S. influence and authority was more pronounced in Iraq than probably any other Muslim country in the world.

    And yet it is in this one Muslim nation, where the U.S. had most authority, where U.S. blood and treasure were spent, that the absolute worst Islamic terrorist group—the Islamic State—was born.

    Coincidence?

    Or is this too related to the great “Arab Spring” failures of the Obama administration?

    Consider: Obama was repeatedly warned that withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq would lead to something exactly like the Islamic State—with all the atrocities that have become synonymous with that name.

    Indeed, arguing against early troop withdrawal, Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, once made the following now prophetic remarks:

    To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States.

    It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to Al Qaeda.

    It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale.

    It would mean we allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan.

    It would mean we’d be increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.

    The point here is not to “side” with Bush—the idea of transporting “democracy” to an Islamic country was ill-conceived from the start—but rather to demonstrate that Obama was thoroughly warned what troop withdrawal would lead to: the Islamic State. The same U.S. military and intelligence sources that allowed Bush to make that prescient statement also shared their assessments with Obama.

    Yet Obama withdrew anyway. In December 2011, Obama declared the Iraq war a success and pulled out American troops. And, to the eyes of most Americans, things were relatively quiet—until, of course, the world heard that a head-chopping, infidel-crucifying, mass-murdering “caliphate” had “suddenly” arisen.

    Was Iraq also part of the euphoria of the Obama-endorsed “Arab Spring”?

    Recall that final troop withdrawal from Iraq occurred at the height of the Arab Spring when the Obama administration was simultaneously betraying key U.S. allies in the Islamic world such as Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak.

    If the U.S. was not going to stand by its former “secular strongmen,” but instead was willing to hold hands with their traditional enemies, the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists, why should it have supported Iraq’s Nouri Maliki?

    After all, the narrative adopted by the Obama administration was that the Arab people were breaking the bonds of authoritarianism, and the U.S. administration was supporting their efforts, most notably by turning its back on longtime allies in the name of “democracy.”

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    1. And surely Maliki was seen as the greatest of all “U.S. puppets,” a divisive figure that stood in the way of the Sunni Spring?

      Despite the narrative that Maliki was for complete troop withdrawal, “it’s well-established that behind closed doors, he [Maliki] was interested in a substantial U.S. presence.” Indeed, the New York Times reported that Joe Biden had said that “Maliki wants us to stick around because he does not see a future in Iraq otherwise.”

      More specifically, in a 2012 debate with Mitt Romney, Obama decried the presence of any American forces in Iraq (video here), adding that

      You’ve got to be clear, both to our allies and our enemies, about where you stand and what you mean. Now, you [Romney] just gave a speech a few weeks ago in which you said we should still have troops in Iraq. That is not a recipe for making sure that we are taking advantage of the opportunities and meeting the challenges of the Middle East.

      What do Obama’s assertions mean?

      Was Obama being “clear, both to our allies”—the Sunni Islamists whom he allied with during the Arab Spring—“and our enemies”—the Arab autocrats who stood in their way?

      Was Obama showing both groups “where you [U.S. president] stand and what you mean”?

      Was troop withdrawal Obama’s way of “taking advantage of the opportunities”—riding the Arab Spring wave—“and meeting the challenges of the Middle East”—winning Muslim hearts and minds by abandoning autocrats?

      Here, then, is another perspective on the rise of the Sunni Islamic State in Iraq—one closely connected to the many other Arab Spring failures of the Obama administration.

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    2. Worst President in my life time, that is for certain.

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    3. But he has aken a stand on the issue of Israel/al-Qeada vs the Christians, Alawites and Kurds.

      Why has Robert Peterson failed to do the same?

      Obviously Barack Obama is a better man that Robert Peterson, the Draft Dodging coward.
      Barack Obama will make the tough choices, Robert Peterson will not.

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    4. But he (Obama) has taken a stand on the issue of Israel/al-Qeada vs the Christians, Alawites and Kurds.

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  24. Come on, Robert Peterson, make a hard choice ...

    Do you prefer al-Qeada, like the Zionists of Israel, or do you stand with the Christians, Alawites and Kurds of the Middle East?

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    1. It should not be hard for you to set your priorities, Robert Peterson. You have advocated for US service men and women to fight and die to protect the Kurds against al-Qeada.

      But you refuse to denounce Israel's "National Interest" for being the antithesis of the policy you have championed.

      Why is that?

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    2. Here are some images of Bibi giving solace to al-Qeada terrorists in an Israeli hospital

      http://www.tlvfaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bibi-2.jpg
      http://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/netanyahu-visits-in-israeli-hospitals-terrorists-injured-in-syria-2.jpg

      Do you support the Israeli giving aid and comfort to al-Qeada combatants?
      Do you also prefer al-Qeada over the Kurds of Kobani?

      The Israel do.

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    3. Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies

      Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

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    4. Would you accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria, Robert Peterson?

      Should the United States accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria, Robert Peterson?

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    5. Notice the scam by Jack Hawkins? Creates the ONLY CHOICES and demands an answer.

      The Checker player.....

      Just looking a his last 30 posts prove he's lost his mind.

      No rational discourse, Just lies and misdirection. Distortions and fabrications.

      His laser focus on points of his own creation speaks volumes about his narcissist self.

      There is no discussion with Rat.Jack.Rob.whoknows

      But the truth is far more interesting.

      ISIS/ISIL verses the Shiites is established. Where will it end, in the end.

      Will it catch fire in Pakistan? Turkey? or even Iran.

      Art of War speaks loudly about not attacking your enemies, that are stronger than you, head on....

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    6. Hey, Robert Peterson can answer any question Robert Peterson pleases.
      He can frame it in any manner he pleases.

      He won't though.

      He will not tell us whether or not the United States should accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria. Israel's Ambassador to the United States said that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

      Which position does Robert Peterson take?
      That of Israel or the position make clear by legislation passed by the US Congress and signed into law by the President.

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    After all, Iran probably has the fixings for a nuclear weapon by now and has pledged by Allah to use it to destroy Tel Aviv.

    Please provide a link, Obumble.

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    1. Go to Obumble.com and look for the article;

      'After all, Iran probably has the fixings for a nuclear weapon by now and has pledged by Allah to use it to destroy Tel Aviv.'

      Happy now, Quart?

      Seahawks on TV tonight !!!

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    You would send US men and women to die for the Kurds.
    Are you a hypocrite, or does Robert Peterson just have that low a regard for the lives of US servicemen and women?



    Yet, you are the one here that has been politicking for this war, rat. It's as if you do not see that a plane or helicopter dropping bombs or shooting rockets at enemy positions is in harms way. Or that a special forces servicemen used as a spotter in a conflict situation is not actually 'boots on the ground'.

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    1. The Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), Pub. L. 107-40, codified at 115 Stat. 224 and passed as S.J.Res. 23 by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizes the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001.

      The US is a war with al-Qeada, it is not at war with the legitimate government of Syria. The government recognized by the United Nations.

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      Sorry, rat.

      Your answer is non-responsive given the subject of the post.

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    Do you support the Israeli giving aid and comfort to al-Qeada combatants?

    On the other hand, you indicated above you would provide aid and comfort to Assad. Do you prefer barrel bombs to beheadings, rat?

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    1. Yep.
      I am primarily against those that are named in
      The Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), Pub. L. 107-40, codified at 115 Stat. 224 and passed as S.J.Res. 23 by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizes the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001.

      The US is a war with al-Qeada, it is not at war with the legitimate government of Syria. The government recognized by the United
      Nations.

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      Using rat-logic, we can say the rat not only approves but prefers the use of barrel bombs and clorine on civilian populations.

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    3. No, we can say that the US i at war with al-Qeada, as per the AUMMF of 14SEP2001 and is not at war with Syria.

      If you think that the President can, or should, unilaterally start wars, Quirk, that'd be a major change of position, for you.

      Unless and until the US Congress enacts legislation calling the government of Syria an enemy, an enemy worthy of an AUMF of its own, the US has but one enemy in Syria, that is al-Qeada.

      ISIS, ISIL, Daesh ,those are all synonyms for al-Qeada. The genealogy of the Islamic State is clear enough.
      Marketing name changes do not affect reality.

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    4. I thought everyone "here supports Assad" -- so the rat informs.

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    5. No, we can say that the US is at war with al-Qeada, as per the AUMF of 14SEP2001 and is not at war with Syria.

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    6. allen, why not reference that remark?
      I do not think you can. As a matter of fact, I know you cannot.

      It was never written.
      You are a liar, a Zionist, but I repeat myself.

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      The rat argues that we not only not attack the government of Assad but that we join in alliance with him.

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    8. Yep, if the US is at war with Daesh, the Islamic State, then the only way to defeat it is to have an "Active Partner", on the ground.
      In Iraq, that "Active Partner" should be the government of Iraq, the one recognized by the United Nations..
      In Syria, that "Active Partner" should be the government of Syria, the one recognized by the United Nations.

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    9. Who would you recommend that the US use as the "Active Partner", in Syria, Quirk?

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    10. The 14SEP2001 AUMF was never repealed.
      The President has determined that Daesh, ISIS, ISIL or the Islamic State is one of those 'named' in the AUMF as an enemy of the United States.

      Should we send ground troops, or find an "Active Partner", if that "Active Partner" is not going to be the government recognized by the United Nations, and the United States, who should it be?

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    11. It should not be that hard a question for you to answer, Quirk.

      The options are, shall we all admit, rather limited.
      Pick one.

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    12. The United States allied with the Soviet Union, to defeat NAZI Germany.
      The regime of Assad in Syria is no worse than that of Stalin, in the Soviet Union.

      Stalin's regime had killed millions by the time the US became its ally.

      "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century was the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.
      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

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    13. "Jack HawkinsMon Oct 06, 10:26:00 AM EDT
      allen, why not reference that remark?
      I do not think you can. As a matter of fact, I know you cannot."

      Quirk is doing an outstanding job of demolishing your projected fantasy. I see no point in interrupting his excellent work. I am rather enjoying reading his boxing of your ears.

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      You know my position, rat. We shouldn't be in Syria.

      I was against this war from the beginning not because of the 'stated objective' but because of the situation on the ground, our past history in similar situations, and the means we choose to conduct it.

      We have already seen the predicted mission creep. We know there will eventually be unintended consequences due to our actions. We have decided that we will use air power only; yet, as you point out we have no active partners on the ground to direct those bombing runs.

      Now, you suggest the only viable 'active partner' in Syria is Assad and that we form alliance with a man responsible for the current situation, a man accused of war crimes against his own people. Naw, I think I'll pass.

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      allen, why not reference that remark?
      I do not think you can. As a matter of fact, I know you cannot.

      It was never written.
      You are a liar, a Zionist, but I repeat myself.Jack HawkinsSun Oct 05, 10:59:00 PM EDT


      So, once again...

      Exactly right, Quirk.

      If the US wants to beat Daesh (ISIS / al-Qeada) in Syria, it has to have an "Active Partner" in the fight.
      That would be Assad, or the effort is half-assed.

      Jack HawkinsSun Oct 05, 11:00:00 PM EDT

      That has never been in dispute.
      At least not here.


      You were asked on a couple of occasions above to explain the remark, rat. You chose not to. Now, in this stream you confirm at least your opinion on the subject.

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      The United States allied with the Soviet Union, to defeat NAZI Germany.
      The regime of Assad in Syria is no worse than that of Stalin, in the Soviet Union.

      Stalin's regime had killed millions by the time the US became its ally.



      Well, there you go. In rat-world, it is all so rat-logical. You allied with Stalin, watched his actions through WWII (Polish Uprising et al) then through Tehran, Potsdom, and Yalta sold out Eastern Europe and allowed the rise of the USSR and the resulting death of of 23 million under Stalin.

      Compared to that, the death of a few hundred thousand under Assad is merely a nit. Makes sense.

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  28. http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/184727-even-msnbc-anchor-happens-former-fed-chair-alan-greenspans-wife-doesnt-like-recent-jobs-report/
    MSNBC Anchor Strays From the President’s Talking Points to Give a Blunt Reality Check About Jobs in America


    "...If you look at the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, all the reporting on the job data from Friday, reported that participation rate is at historic lows, decades lows, 59% are involved in the labor force.

    That’s just not a sustainable recovery. We have two Americas, we really do..."

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  29. "Jack HawkinsMon Oct 06, 06:46:00 AM EDT
    Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies"


    There is no such article. Within the article, such as it is, the words "Alawite(s)", "Christian(s)" or "Kurd(s)" do not appear.

    You gave vent to your inner demon and simply made up a header that is not that of the genuine article. Additionally, the header you fabricated has nothing to do with the topics covered by the article save that Israel would rather deal with just about anyone but Assad. At no time did the Israeli ambassador give support to aQ -- far from it.

    If you are going to use the work of real authors to make a point, use quotes. If you have an opinion that you know will be considered by moral persons as obnoxious, do not fabricate articles.

    You did not plagiarize; you flat out prevaricated with the hopes of deceiving us while scoring points against "blood" Jews.

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    1. Those are the folks that are allied with the regime of Assad, those that are backed by Iran.

      Don't you know that?

      If you didn't before, you do now.

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  30. Waiting, with "Bated Breath" ....

    While the peanut galley has grown silent....

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      Sorry, rat.

      I have to type mine out while you 'cut and paste'.

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  31. allenMon Oct 06, 10:48:00 AM EDT
    "Jack HawkinsMon Oct 06, 10:26:00 AM EDT
    allen, why not reference that remark?
    I do not think you can. As a matter of fact, I know you cannot."

    Quirk is doing an outstanding job of demolishing your projected fantasy. I see no point in interrupting his excellent work. I am rather enjoying reading his boxing of your ears.

    Yes, thank you Quirk

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  32. Give me a "P"! Give me an "E"! Give me an "N"! Give me an "I"! Give me an "S"! What's that spell? What's that spell? What's that spell --louder!!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2782050/The-penises-grown-lab-Scientists-say-organs-tested-humans-five-years.html
    The penises grown in a lab: Scientists say organs could be tested on humans within five years

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00zuDUNTeXM
    Big Ten Inch

    This is a meaty subject. Something to sink the teeth into.

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  33. Next time you watch al jazeera america?

    Think of Qatar

    Senior Isil commander raised £1.25 million from Qatari nationals, says US Treasury
    Cash from Qatar donor used by "Emir of suicide bombers" to launch military operations, according to US terrorism designation

    One of Isil’s senior commanders, who serves as “Emir of suicide bombers”, raised $2 million (£1.25 million) for “military operations” from a donor in Qatar, according to the US Treasury.
    The latest allegations about the flow of funds from individuals based in Qatar to Syria-based terrorists led to more calls for the Gulf state to prevent its citizens from supporting Isil.
    The US Treasury also named a Qatari national who allegedly serves as a middleman between al-Qaeda’s core leadership in Pakistan and terrorist financiers in the Gulf.
    A third individual, newly designated by America as a “global terrorist”, was arrested in 2012 while trying to fly to Qatar with thousands of dollars “intended for al-Qaeda”.
    The US Treasury accusations follow disclosures by The Telegraph of how individuals in Qatar supplied money and weapons to groups fighting alongside al-Qaeda linked terrorists in Syria, including Islamic rebels who have secured the city of Raqqa as Isil’s “capital”.

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  34. http://freebeacon.com/national-security/explosion-at-iran-nuke-site-kills-two-iran-says/

    Explosion at Iran Nuke Site Kills Two, Iran Says
    Site suspected of housing clandestine nuclear activities

    A large explosion at a suspected nuclear site in Iran has reportedly killed two people and prompted speculation of sabotage at a military site long suspected of housing Tehran’s clandestine nuclear activities, according Iran’s Defense Industries Organization (DIO), which operates under the country’s Ministry of Defense.

    One explosion rocked a production plant late Sunday night in east Tehran, near the Parchin nuclear site, according to Farsi language reports in Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency.

    The place publicly did not exist.

    So the explosions that took out the nuclear triggers, which did not exist, did not happen

    The destruction of the computers and backup with nuclear data did not exist, so they did not get destroyed.

    the deaths of scores of Iranians working in a clandestine operation did not exist so there was no crime.

    :)

    btw, I did it… Just me…

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  35. 'Nuclear Expert' Killed in Explosion at Iranian Nuclear Plant

    Iranian sites claim large explosion heard 'several kilometers away', shattered windows as far as 15 kilometers from blast.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/185882#.VDLKbUuxFHw

    Man, I was zooming down the trail on my moped when I spotted the Iranian Revolutionary Guards with the giant sized pink tarps, scurrying to cover the blown up warehouses/workshops in my rear view mirror….

    The building had not even stopped collapsing as the RG'smen were already hiding the site from western (and russia & Chinese) satellites!!!!

    Better cover up those destroyed NUKE SITES quickly…. Plutonium not a subject in the discussions with the west has turned out to be quite the explosive topic… hardy har har

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    1. Iran has refused to allow International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors to access Parchin since 2005, and both opposition figures and others have accused the regime of using the site to house an illegal nuclear weapons program.

      Well not to worry anymore about this site… It doesn't exist anymore…

      LOL

      :)

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  36. ... proving the EB is always abreast of the low down ...

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/06/oregon-s-stripper-lobby-legislators-ask-exotic-dancers-for-help-with-strip-club-bill.html
    Oregon’s Stripper Lobby: Legislators Ask Exotic Dancers for Help With Strip Club Bill










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  37. For the record, Israel started this with Iran.

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    1. Israel started what with Iran? I'm sorry but I don't take your point.

      Are you talking about the toppling of the Shah?

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    2. He's talking about my personal attack on the Iranian nuke site. But I am an american, for the record?

      A fat Jew from Ohio started it this...

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  38. The Daily Beast Reports

    Iran Orders Elite Troops: Lay Off U.S. Forces in Iraq
    The last time Iranian and American forces were in Iraq, the two sides quietly fought each other. Now Iran’s Quds Force officers in Iraq are purposely leaving the Americans alone.
    Pay no attention to the Shi'ite militias threatening to kill U.S. troops in Iraq. The elite Iranian forces backing those militias have been ordered not to attack the Americans.

    That’s the conclusion of the latest U.S. intelligence assessment for Iraq. And it represents a stunning turnaround for Iran’s Quds Force, once considered America’s most dangerous foe in the region.

    U.S. intelligence officials tell The Daily Beast that the apparent Iranian decision not to target American troops inside Iraq reflects Iran’s desire to strike a nuclear bargain with the United States and the rest of the international community before the current negotiations expire at the end of November.

    “They are not going after Americans,” one senior U.S. intelligence official told The Daily Beast familiar with the recent assessments. “They want the nuclear talks to succeed and an incident between our guys and their guys would not be good for those talks.”


    Israel, our indispensable ally, as always a liability, has other ideas.

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    1. Israel, our indispensable ally, as always a liability, has other ideas.

      Success at the table only can happen if Iran thinks America is serious. Typically bending over and offering one's anus for sex, as Obama has publicly done (billions and billions in released money for NOTHING) is a sign that America is on the decline and is cuckolded by superior Iranian prowess.

      Now maybe Israel is being used (either on purpose or not) to be the "bad cop", no one here actually KNOWS which. Reading and taking hints from the MSM is nonsense and the old saying "those who KNOW are not speaking and those who don't know are" comes to mind.

      The Iranians are chess players. Obama plays checkers, but others in the USA are aware and understand the history and depravity of the Iranians and do not forget.

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  39. Re: Assad and chemical weapons

    It is being reported that Assad did not declare and surrender all his chemical weapons. Israeli intelligence believes that Syria is in the process of trying to covertly ship them into Lebanon for use by Hezbollah. If this is the case, expect some Israeli action in Syria and/or Lebanon. Also, do not be surprised if mistakes are made that might endanger both Allied and Israeli pilots. As Quirk has already pointed out, there will be unintended consequences -- that is the nature of war.

    Given Assad's murderous duplicity and the lethality of the weapons in question, why not save everyone else from danger by taking out Assad. For reasons unclear, like Arafat, he escapes his just desserts while thousands perish to keep him enthroned on a pile of rotting corpses.

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    1. It would be a real boon to history if some of Assad's alleged chemical weapons could be captured. Their place of origin might be enlightening to most and vindicate those of us who continue to believe that Saddam did have such weapons, many of which were evacuated to Syria prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. This would not have been out of the ordinary: Some may recall that Saddam lost that part of his air force flown to Iran for safe keeping in Gulf War I.

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      I sense another false flag operation coming.

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      In order to get all the bad guys in Syria, you would have to flatten the entire country.

      Assad is the leader of the Syrian government. He is recognized as such by the UN and plenty of other countries. Most would like to see him go, but invasion to bring about regime change would be against international law. And the US has been bit by using the 'ends justify the means' approach before.

      Rat suggest we ally with Assad to fight IS. I disagree. By allying yourself with him you become complicit in his actions. However, there is no reason to take him out right now. Merely existing he provides a counter-balance to IS, the purported enemy we are fighting in Iraq/Syria right now.

      Frankly, as much as I dislike Erdogan and see him as a dissembler, I have to say I think his approach to the situation in Syria is somewhat wiser albeit more cynical than that of the US. Erdogan's three aims in order of priority are to take out Assad, keep the Kurds controlled, and maybe eventually fight IS. He makes progress towards his goals by doing exactly what he is doing right now, nothing.

      Kobane is struggling to hold on. The fighting is near the edges of the city. The black IS flag is seen flying over one of the larger buildings in the eastern section of the city. If the Kurds hold on, IS is diminished and this supports one of Erdogan's objectives. If IS takes the city, the Kurds are diminished and a different Erdogan objective is achieved. It's a no lose proposition for him.

      If ISIS takes Kobane, since it is right next to the Turkish border, Erdogan has an excuse to bloody them up a bit.

      Erdogan has been waiting for Assad to fall for a long time. He can wait a little longer.

      Now, take a look at what the US has been doing. They have been taking out facilities, refineries, and equipment used by IS. However, in fighting IS, an entity described by some as just a bunch of psychopathic neck-cutters, perception is important. Currently, the fighting is strong around Baghdad and the biggest story in the news is the battle for Kobane. You would think the US would be pushing for a decisive rout against IS in both of these cities. However, so far they don't seem that concerned about providing the resources to get the job done. In both cities, you do not suffer the problem of not having 'eyes on the ground'. If the air war is going to work, it should do so at both places.

      If IS makes progress in either city, their prestige grows and that of the coalition drops. It's an important factor in our efforts to turn the Sunni to our side. You have to wonder why there isn't a bigger coalition push in both cities.

      Also, instead of dividing and conquering as Erdogan is trying to do, we take on everyone at once.

      Syria is divided into three parts. You have Assad and the militias supporting him, you have the Kurds, and you have al Qaeda. We don't like two of the three and the third one we have declared a terrorist group. However, Assad is fighting the same people we are fighting there. The Kurds are primarily concerned with their own priorities but they too are fighting the same people we are fighting. Al Qaeda in Syria is divided into more groups than you can count including some made up by the US CIA like 'Core Al Qaeda' and the 'Khorosan Group'. But the beauty part is that they were all fighting amongst themselves or at least they were before the US started bombing all of them. Instead of taking out IS first with the unsolicited aid of these other groups before we eventually get around to taking them out too, we decide to attack them all at once.

      Despite 'CIA intelligence' I doubt any of the Al Qaeda groups including the Khorason Group within Syria offered any imminent danger to the US, well, at least until we started bombing them.

      Anyway, that's the way I see it.

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    4. One has to wonder what deals Kerry cut with Turkey and the Kurds. Whatever agreement was reached, it almost certainly favored Turkey. If the Kurds come to feel themselves again betrayed, the U.S. will have created another enemy. At some point even the patient Kurds will tire of being odd-man-out; and while they might not directly open hostilities with the U.S. they could essentially change the arithmetic through non-participation. At the moment their struggle with IS in the north is taking a lot of pressure off the Baghdad region. I have no reason to think the Kurds would not defend their own turf; they will. However, if they reach a truce with IS or just vanish into the hinterlands of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran to lick their wounds to fight another day, Kerry may have created a long term liability for the U.S.

      Why the U.S. has not used a much more effective tactic to relieve the siege of Kobane(i) is perplexing. As I understand the situation, IS lines are readily recognized. A B-52 run, using simple gravity bombs could pulverize those positions. Once IS is embedded within the city, that option ends. Such devastation would send messages to the Turks, the Kurds, and IS. Granted, it is crude, but as anyone who has ever seen a B-52 run will attest, it is nothing short of the wrath of God. One minute all is serene, the next, without so much as a sound or minute’s notice, the earth explodes over thousands of square yards. Survivors are rendered hopelessly shell-shocked. It is then that the enemy is given a taste of cold steel.

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  40. Let their people go, please, let them go.

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  41. Crapper is sure going Ebola today, really going viral. But instead of blood it's bullshit coming out his holes.

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  42. What is the joy in making yourself a laughing stock everyday, rat?

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  43. Supreme Court chickens out on the gay marriage case.

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  44. Obama should realize that nothing ever changes:

    Letter from Pontus Pilate

    To Noble Tiberius Caesar, Emperor of Rome.Noble Sovereign, Greeting: The events of the last few days in my province have been of such a characterthat I will give the details in full as they occurred, as I should not be surprised if, in the course of time,they may change the destiny of our nation, for it seems of late that all the gods have ceased to bepropitious.

    I am almost ready to say, Cursed be the day that I succeeded Vallerius Flaceus in the government of Judea; for since then my life has been one of continual uneasiness and distress.

    On my arrival at Jerusalem I took possession of the praetorium, and ordered a splendid feast to beprepared, to which I invited the tetrarch of Galilee, with the high priest and his officers. At theappointed hour no guests appeared. This I considered an insult offered to my dignity, and to the wholegovernment which I represent. A few days after, the high priest deigned to pay me a visit. Hisdeportment was grave and deceitful. He pretended that his religion forbade him and his attendants tosit at the table with the Romans, and eat and offer libations with them, but this was only asanctimonious seeming, for his very countenance betrayed his hypocrisy. Although I thought itexpedient to accept his excuse, from that moment I was convinced that the conquered had declaredthemselves the enemy of the conquerors; and I would warn the Romans to beware of the high priests of this country. They would betray their own mother to gain office and a luxurious living.It seems to me that, of conquered cities, Jerusalem is the most difficult to govern. So turbulent are thepeople that I live in momentary dread of an insurrection. I have not soldiers sufficient to suppress it. Ihad only one centurion and a hundred men at my command. I requested a reinforcement from theprefect of Syria, who informed me that he had scarcely enough troops sufficient to defend his ownprovince. An insatiate thirst for conquest to extend our empire beyond the means of defending it, I fear,will be the cause of the final overthrow of our whole government. I lived secluded from the masses, for Idid not know what those priests might influence the rabble to do; yet I endeavored to ascertain, as far as I could, the mind and standing of the people.

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    1. From The Archko Volume, or The Archeological Writings of the Sanhedrin and Talmuds of the Jews,entered into the Congressional Record in the year 1887. Republished in 1975 by Keats Publishing Inc.,27 Pine Street, New Canaan Conn. 06840, USA.

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    2. Honest to Christ !

      Deuce is quoting Pontius Pilate !

      BwaHAHAHA

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    3. I always had sympathy for Pontius Pilate.

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    4. The Romans had no business being there except for by brute force.

      True occupiers that should have gone back to Rome where they could live their animalistic lifestyle in peace.

      There were NO arabs or Palestinians back then living in Jerusalem.

      Might be that they did not arrive til 640 CE when they came with the sword, murdering everyone in their path..

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    5. Pontius Pilate. An Italian with the power to crucify over 100,000 Jews to death.


      Deuce ☂Mon Oct 06, 02:43:00 PM EDT
      I always had sympathy for Pontius Pilate.


      What he did not murder enough Jews for your taste?

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  45. An Israeli Russian Polish Jew on who is Un-American:

    JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israel's prime minister dismissed a recent White House rebuke of Israeli settlement construction, saying in comments broadcast on Sunday that the criticism goes "against American values."

    The tough words by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu threatened to deepen a rift with the White House over Israeli construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war and claimed by the Palestinians

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    1. Bibi was born in Israel.

      Jews that lived in Poland and Russia were reminded by their Polish and Russia masters often that they might have lived there but there but they were NOT Polish or Russian, they were Jews

      It is un American to restrict building in a city based on religion or ethnic affiliation. Arabs and Jews purchase and build all over the city without restrictions. To say that Jews should not? Is UN american

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      My friend, I must correct you. Any Arab selling land to an Israeli risks summary or jurisprudential execution. In short, it is a capital offense for Palestinians (Arabs & Christians) to sell real estate to Jews.

      To the extent that Palestinians stay within Israel and never again venture into the PA you are correct. There is a big deal going now about an apartment block sold by Arabs to Jews. The administration has called this occupation. What bilge!

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  46. By Dave Boyer - The Washington Times - Monday, October 6, 2014

    The White House fired back at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Monday over his country’s settlement construction, saying Mr. Netanyahu’s criticism of the administration over the weekend “seemed to ignore our concerns.”

    White House press secretary Josh Earnest said “it did seem odd” for Mr. Netanyahu to criticize the administration’s rebuke of Israel as “against American values.”

    “When it comes to American values, it’s American values that led to this country’s unwavering support of Israel,” Mr. Earnest said. “It’s American values that have led us to fund an Iron Dome system” to protect Israelis from rocket attacks by Islamist militants.

    “It’s clear how American values dictate or at least guide our thinking” on support of Israel,” Mr. Earnest said.

    Administration officials criticized Israel last week after a Jerusalem official gave approval for construction of a new housing development in east Jerusalem. The U.S. does not recognize Israel’s move and considers construction there to be illegitimate settlement activity.



    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/6/white-house-fires-back-at-netanyahu-over-new-israe/#ixzz3FPQ29iNj
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

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    1. “When it comes to American values, it’s American values that led to this country’s unwavering support of Israel,” Mr. Earnest said. “It’s American values that have led us to fund an Iron Dome system” to protect Israelis from rocket attacks by Islamist militants.

      American values to cut off munitions to an ally under rocket fire?

      As for funding of the Iron Dome, it was an INVESTMENT that America made to buy into the technology in order to have access to it and restrict who Israel can sell it too..

      Business works that way...

      At the same time the Obama is promising millions to gaza to rebuild and additional millions to abbas and the PA for joining together and violating the OSLO accords., some "american" values.

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    2. Israel has sold the Iron Dome system to one undisclosed (top secret) country. Little else is known.

      It is reported that the demand for Iron Dome is not much, much greater. It could also be the case that there are so many restrictions on the sale of the technology that demand is dampened. This is not an uncommon occurrence.

      All the restrictions may come to little, given Chinese and Russian hacking.

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    4. The population of Gaza should begin to resettle into the Egyption territory, just to the west. A series of Levittowns type communitties, which, to mat's dismay have a very high population density. The original Levittown boasting a Total of 53,067 residents with a density of 7,717.5/sq mi.

      At Levittown they were building thirty houses a day, in 1948, so it would not take long to relieve the 10,000+ /sq mi population pressure in Gaza.

      Big carrots, that would promote the reclaimation of Egyptian soveriegnty over the city's population.

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  47. Sunday on CBS' "Face The Nation," Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said he was “baffled,” by the White House's criticisms of Israeli settlements because "ethnic purification" goes “against the American values."

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    1. Yep the settlements that were announced, for the 4th time in as many years, contains both arab and jewish housing.

      How dare Israel build homes.

      Maybe they should build tunnels under arab towns to kidnap and murder civilians? Now that would a-ok with the world. Or would Israel get into hot water for building Jew only tunnels?

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    4. I don't understand. Why is Russia obliged to sell gas or anything else to Ukraine, when Ukraine is in the rears in its payment for prior supplies from Russia?

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    5. Nondecisive military action is not worth the powder used.
      A token attack, or two, will not change the course of Hamas.

      As to losing an ally, why wi"o" Hamas is no ally to iran, but proxie. Big difference.
      They are strawmen delegated to their own destruction. But limiting Israels real world options.

      Targeting a few overt installations, killing a couple gross of the Hamas operatives along with the expected females and children, thrown in as colateral damage.

      Halfstepping to and through Gaza will not bring Israel any victory, nor respite. And halfstepping is what they are doing.

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  48. Arabs live peacefully in Israel. Many vote and some serve or have served in high office. There are Arabs in the IDF.

    Why do you think Fatah has the legal right to exclude Jews from living in the PA if they choose? Why should Jews be denied the same rights and privileges in the PA that Arabs have had for generations in Israel?

    Is this one of those cases where there is one standard for the rest of the world but Jews must live under another -- sort of like the ghettos and the Pale?

    Surely, you have thought this through and can make a compelling argument for Jewish exclusion. Don't worry about using the standards set by the 1935 Nuremberg Laws; just let her rip.

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  49. It may be too late for that B-52 strike.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29515431


    "Islamic State (IS) militants have entered the key Syria-Turkey border town of Kobane and are engaged in street-to-street fighting with Syrian Kurd defenders."

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    4. No, ash, the Israeli hit the approved target list, Police Hdqtrs, Mosques and such.

      Just as they did in Lebannon, bombing the same buildings, again and again. That's their style.

      Now they are targeting the homes of the "leaders" who are already living underground, elsewhere.

      If it didn't work, there'd you be.
      But the rtillery is only one part of the "Plan". The Israeli object to the opening of the Egyptian border, insisting that they control all traffic, electric and water to the area.

      That should change, the Gaza residents reclaiming their Egyptian heritage and natural citizenship.

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    5. That should change, the Gaza residents reclaiming their Egyptian heritage and natural citizenship.

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    6. 30 raids, 180 KIA
      The Israeli are averaging less than the US is in Pakistan, where we're netting 7 or 8 per bombing run.

      Another round of whack a muslim,
      that is all this is.
      Not very efficent whacking, either.

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  50. .

    Re: American Values

    Another take,

    Israeli PM Netanyahu, however, was not in the mood for criticism, and responded as follows.

    "Arabs in Jerusalem are free to purchase apartments in the western [part of the] city and no one is arguing against it. I have no intention of telling Jews they can't buy apartments in East Jerusalem. This is private property and an individual right. There cannot be discrimination – not against Jews and not against Arabs. This goes against values that the United States also believes in."

    So let's break that down.

    "Arabs in Jerusalem are free to purchase apartments" in West Jerusalem.

    Wrong. As Haaretz described in 2009, after Netanyahu had made similar claims, "according to Israel Lands Administration rules, residents of East Jerusalem cannot take ownership of the vast majority of Jerusalem homes." Why?

    Under Israeli law, to qualify to purchase property on "state land" the purchaser must either be a citizen of Israel (Palestinian Jerusalemites are legal residents of the city, not citizens of Israel) or legally entitled to citizenship under the law of return (i.e. Jewish). This means an Israeli or a Jew from anywhere in the world can purchase such property in West Jerusalem, but not a Palestinian resident of the city.

    "I have no intention of telling Jews they can't buy apartments in East Jerusalem."

    The issue that the U.S. – and indeed, almost every other country in the world – has with these housing plans is that Israel is building in and expanding illegal settlements located in occupied territories (and in the case of East Jerusalem, in illegally annexed territory). It is not about 'telling Jews' what they can or can't buy. It is possible Netanyahu is being deliberately disingenuous –but it is also true that he, like the rest of Israel's political leadership – simply does not recognise international law and norms.

    "There cannot be discrimination – not against Jews and not against Arabs."

    For Netanyahu to make it an issue of discrimination really takes the biscuit. Israel systematically discriminates against Palestinians, both in the Occupied Territories and inside the pre-1967 lines, through numerous policies and laws documented by Palestinian groups, UN agencies, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, as well as Israeli NGOs (among others). In Jerusalem specifically, Palestinian residents in the Occupied East suffer from a host of discriminatory practices related to land, housing, municipal services, and political repression.


    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/14493-the-white-house-criticised-israeli-settlement-expansion-and-netanyahus-response-is-extraordinary

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    5. Not as part of a real peace package, trish. Which would include opening Gaza to Egyptian authority.

      Cornerstone of the strategy, really.

      A combined operation of carrots out weighing the stick, but using the stick, to make the point. To achieve a victory.

      To end the war. Not prolong the status que of crisis.

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    6. Exactly, ash, victory and peace have to be defined, then achieved.

      The Eygptians or the Chinese could police Gaza, it's smaller than Scottsdale, AZ., for Pete's sake.

      It is a not Country, a City, but no State.

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  51. Deuce is the kind of guy I always liked to kick back with, have some brewski and sausage.

    We'd often bring Quirk along for his entertainment value.

    Once, it was a Friday, three Roman soldiers were sitting in a Jewish bar......Tiberius wasn't a bad sort, one was saying.......that Christ was pretty good in there today, another one mumbled.......Quirk was cuddling with Mariam.......

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  53. Still going strong, eh, rato?

    Really, you ought to get out of the house at least once a day.

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    1. Rat is still a figment of your imaginationTue Oct 07, 12:16:00 AM EDT

      “You presume to name those who have no name.
      We are pandemonium and disaster.
      We are the dancing, gibbering horror of the world.”


      ― Brenna Yovanoff, The Replacement

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  54. allenMon Oct 06, 10:44:00 AM EDT

    "Jack HawkinsMon Oct 06, 06:46:00 AM EDT
    Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies"


    There is no such article. Within the article, such as it is, the words "Alawite(s)", "Christian(s)" or "Kurd(s)" do not appear.


    Those are the folks that are allied with the regime of Assad, those that are backed by Iran.

    Don't you know that?

    If you didn't before, you do now.

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    1. Ambassador Oren said ...
      quoting now ...

      ... we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

      Those that are allied with Assad are backed by Iran
      The Kurds, in Iraq, are backed by Iran.

      Those are facts, fellas.
      Take Mr Oren at his word, he was speaking for Israel, he was authorized to.

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    2. I have NEVER heard an Israeli that said that Iran backed the "Good Guys".
      If there is such a quote, please, post it.

      :-)

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    3. The Assad regime, in Syria, it is made up of the Alawites, the Christians and the Kurds.

      Need I post the articles that reference those alliances, ONE MORE TIME?

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    4. Not as part of a real peace package, trish. Which would include opening Gaza to Egyptian authority.

      Cornerstone of the strategy, really.

      A combined operation of carrots out weighing the stick, but using the stick, to make the point. To achieve a victory.

      To end the war. Not prolong the status que of crisis.

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    5. Escalate the "Death from Above" until the Peace Process is palatable to the Gazaians.

      The Peace policed by the Eygptians, in Gaza.

      By Jordan on the West Bank.

      Countries that Israel is a peace with.

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    6. Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies


      Notice that there are no quotation marks
      It is not italicized, though I notice that the Zionists have dispensed with both of those standards, when posting quotes.
      Little wonder then that they are so easily confused, when other folks who are not quoting the source material, but editorializing upon the facts presented do not use thoe, either.

      The lack of italicizing the words, and the lack of quotation marks, that is the standard when writing in English, when not quoting the source.

      Live and learn, allen.
      You too, Quirk.

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    7. Interesting your lack of using capital letters, such as when typing the name "Allen"

      You are not living up to my name. You are a fraud "Jack Hawkins"

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    8. allen does not use capital letters in his sign-on

      Where is your picture, amigo ...

      I know where it is ... why don't you?

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    9. Oh, yeah, that's right, you are a plagiarizing identity thieve.

      It is cute, though lacking in imagination.

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    10. Thief, not plural without the 's'.

      :-)

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  55. Yep, everyone and every comment is anonymous, each can solely be judged upon the content of that remark, not upon the moniker that posts it.

    There being no identity security on Blogger.

    Thanks for proving my point, again.
    Your story arcs, they are so, so short.

    Al igual que el pene de un semita

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  56. Hells bells - last time desert rat came by the place, he had over 17,000 page views -
    Now there ain't even a dozen!

    How'd that happen?

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  57. .

    The Justice Department is preparing a fresh round of attacks on the world’s biggest banks, again questioning Wall Street’s role in a broad array of financial markets.

    With evidence mounting that a number of foreign and American banks colluded to alter the price of foreign currencies, the largest and least regulated financial market, prosecutors are aiming to file charges against at least one bank by the end of the year, according to interviews with lawyers briefed on the matter. Ultimately, several banks are expected to plead guilty.

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    nts With Regulators

    The Justice Department is preparing a fresh round of attacks on the world’s biggest banks, again questioning Wall Street’s role in a broad array of financial markets.

    With evidence mounting that a number of foreign and American banks colluded to alter the price of foreign currencies, the largest and least regulated financial market, prosecutors are aiming to file charges against at least one bank by the end of the year, according to interviews with lawyers briefed on the matter. Ultimately, several banks are expected to plead guilty.

    Interviews with more than a dozen lawyers who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private negotiations open a window onto previously undisclosed aspects of an investigation that is unnerving Wall Street and the defense bar. While cases stemming from the financial crisis were aimed at institutions, prosecutors are planning to eventually indict individual bank employees over currency manipulation, using their instant messages as incriminating evidence.

    The charges will most likely focus on traders and their bosses rather than chief executives. As a result, critics of the Justice Department might view the cases as little more than an exercise in public relations, a final push to shape the legacy of Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., who was blamed for a lack of criminal cases against Wall Street executives.

    Yet the breadth of the suspected wrongdoing in the currency inquiry — Deutsche Bank, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Barclays and UBS are among the dozen or so banks under investigation — might distinguish it from the piecemeal nature of the crisis-era investigations.


    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/big-banks-face-another-round-of-u-s-charges/?_php=true&_type=blogs&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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  58. Words to live by.
    You thought there was one fucking rat, Jan, and there were HUNDREDS.

    That’s right. That’s what Old Jer said,
    “Ma’am, you don’t have A rat. You probably have a couple hundred rats. I would say probably 2 or 3 hundred rats are going in and out of your blog.

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