Turkey Support For ISIS Continues:
Islamic State seizes large areas of Syrian town despite air strikes
MURSITPINAR Turkey/BEIRUT
With Washington ruling out a ground operation in Syria, Turkey said it was unrealistic to expect it to mount a cross-border operation alone to relieve the mainly Kurdish town.(Reuters) - Islamic State fighters seized more than a third of the Syrian border town of Kobani, a monitoring group said on Thursday, as U.S.-led air strikes failed to halt their advance and Turkish forces looked on without intervening.
The U.S. military said Kurdish forces appeared to be holding out in the town, which lies within sight of Turkish territory, following new air strikes in the area against a militant training camp and fighters.
Washington said U.S. forces launched nine air strikes on Thursday against Islamic State militants north and south of Kobani, striking some fighting units and destroying four buildings held by the group. U.S. forces also conducted two air strikes against Islamic State in Iraq.
Retired U.S. General John Allen, named by President Barack Obama to oversee the anti-Islamic State coalition, held "constructive and detailed talks" with Turkish leaders in Ankara on Thursday, the State Department said.
Ankara resents suggestions from Washington that it is not pulling its weight, and wants broader joint action that also targets the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. "We strongly reject allegations of Turkish responsibility for the ISIS advance," a senior Ankara government source said, using a former acronym for the militant group.
The State Department said Allen and deputy envoy Brett McGurk stressed that the fight against Islamic State would be a "long-term campaign" but that "urgent steps were immediately required to counter the militants.
The statement added that the U.S. and Turkish officials discussed several measures "to advance the military line of effort" against Islamic State and that a joint military planning team would visit Ankara early next week.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Islamic State had pushed forward on Thursday.
"ISIS control more than a third of Kobani - all eastern areas, a small part of the northeast and an area in the southeast," said Rami Abdulrahman, head of the Observatory, which monitors the Syrian civil war.
The commander of Kobani's heavily outgunned Kurdish defenders confirmed that the militants had made major gains, after a three-week battle that has also caused the worst street clashes in years between Turkish police and Kurdish protesters.
In Turkey's eastern province of Bingol, two police officers were killed and a police chief was seriously wounded in an attack, CNN Turk television reported, while clashes elsewhere killed four protesters.
Militia chief Esmat al-Sheikh put the area controlled by Islamic State, which controls large amounts of territory in Syria and neighboring Iraq, at about a quarter of the town. "The clashes are ongoing, street battles," he said by telephone from the town.
Explosions rocked Kobani throughout the day, with black smoke visible from the Turkish border a few km (miles) away. Islamic State hoisted its black flag in the town overnight and a stray projectile landed 3 km (2 miles) inside Turkey.
The town's defenders say the United States is giving only token support with its air strikes, while Turkish tanks sent to the frontier look on but do nothing to defend the town, where the United Nations says only a few hundred remain. Over 180,000 people from the city and surrounding area have fled into Turkey.
UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS
Turkey's foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, played down the chances of its forces going to the aid of Kobani.
"It is not realistic to expect Turkey to conduct a ground operation on its own," he told a news conference with visiting NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg. "We are holding talks. ... Once there is a common decision, Turkey will not hold back from playing its part."
He added: "Our allies, especially the U.S. administration, dragged their feet for a very long time before deciding to take action against the catastrophic events happening in Syria."
Turkey has long advocated action against Assad during the civil war, which grew out of a popular uprising in 2011. But the United States called off air strikes on Damascus government forces at the last minute last year when Assad agreed to give up his chemical weapons. It has also managed so far to fly sorties across Syria with tacit consent from Assad.
Kerry said Islamic State's advance on Kobani was a tragedy but would not deter the U.S. coalition from its long-term strategy in the region.
"Kobani is a tragedy because it represents the evil of ISIS, but it is not the definition either of the strategy or the full measure of what is happening with response to ISIS," he told reporters in Boston.
"We are only a few weeks into building the coalition," Kerry said. "The primary goal of this effort has been to provide the space for Iraq to be able to get its government in place and to begin to push back and to begin to be able to deprive them (Islamic State militants) of their command and control, their supply centers and their training. That is taking place."
Retired U.S. General John Allen, asked by President Barack Obama to oversee the creation and work of the anti-Islamic State coalition, was in Ankara on Thursday for two days of talks with Turkey's leaders.
President Tayyip Erdogan wants the U.S.-led alliance to enforce a "no-fly zone" to prevent Assad's air force flying over Syrian territory near the Turkish border, and to create a safe area for around 1.5 million Syrian refugees in Turkey to return.
Stoltenberg said neither had been discussed by NATO.
TURKISH CLASHES
The anger felt by Turkey's Kurds over Ankara's failure to help their brethren in Syria threatens to unravel a fragile peace process that Erdogan hoped would end a 30-year armed struggle for autonomy by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).
At least 25 people died in the mainly Kurdish southeast of Turkey on Wednesday during clashes between security forces and Kurds demanding that the government do more to help Kobani.
On Thursday, two policemen came under attack in Bingol's city center while they were inspecting shops damaged in demonstrations earlier this week. No group claimed responsibility for the killings.
Four people were killed and 20 were wounded in the southern border province of Gaziantep when armed clashes broke out between protesters demonstrating in solidarity with Kobani and groups opposing them.
The violence had prompted curfews to be imposed in five southeastern provinces, restrictions unseen since the height of the PKK's war against Turkish forces in the 1990s, and streets were calmer as a result.
Erdogan said protesters had exploited the events in Kobani as an excuse to sabotage the peace process.
Selahattin Demirtas, head of the Kurdish People’s Democratic Party (HDP), which had urged Turkish Kurds to take to the streets this week, denied that they had provoked violence. He appealed for calm and said jailed PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan had called for talks with the government to be stepped up.
Kurdish leaders in Syria have asked Ankara, so far in vain, to establish a corridor through Turkey to allow aid and possibly arms and fighters to reach Kobani.
Ankara is suspicious of Syria's Kurds for having achieved self-rule by tacit agreement with Assad after he lost control of the region to anti-government rebels, and fears this could revive secessionist aspirations among its own Kurds.
Turkish police fired tear gas against Kurdish protesters in the town of Suruc near the border during the night, and the shutters of most shops remained closed in a traditional mark of protest.
Ferdi, a 21-year-old Turkish Kurd watching the smoke rising from Kobani, said if the town fell, the conflict would spread to Turkey. "In fact," he said, "it already has spread here."
(Additional reporting by Tom Perry, Mariam Karouny in Beirut, Humeyra Pamuk in Istanbul and Orhan Coskun, Tulay Karadeniz and Jonny Hogg in Ankara, Scott Malone in Boston and Peter Cooney in Washington; Editing by David Stamp, Kevin Liffey and Ken Wills)
The Ass stabbers in Ankara are another worthless so-called ally of the US.
ReplyDeleteWhile Kobane burns
ReplyDeleteThe reluctance to strike IS may redound on Turkey’s president ( YOUR FUCKING A RIGHT THERE)
Oct 11th 2014 | ANKARA |ECONOMIST
THE contrast could not be starker. On one side of a barbed-wire fence, beneath plumes of smoke from air strikes and amid the rattle of gunfire, the bearded fighters of the self-proclaimed Islamic State (IS) closed their grip on Kobane, a Kurdish town on Syria’s northern border. On the other Turkey’s soldiers, with tanks and armoured personnel carriers, nonchalantly watch the show, stirring only to fire tear gas and beat back Kurdish protesters wanting to help their Syrian brethren.
The reluctance of Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, to aid Kobane—even in the name of supporting his American allies as they give air support to the beleaguered defenders—is as obstinate as it is puzzling. It is also counter-productive, given that it drives a wedge between Turkey and America and heightens tension with Turkey’s own Kurdish minority. It may yet rekindle Turkish Kurds’ long but now dormant insurgency.
Mr Erdogan says any help to the Syrian Kurds depends on them abandoning their de facto alliance with the Syrian regime of President Bashar Assad, and joining the mainstream rebel alliance seeking to overthrow him. There were hopes in early October that this position would be softened after secret talks took place in Turkey between Syrian Kurds and assorted Turkish diplomats and spooks. The officials are said to have tentatively agreed to allow weapons from other Kurdish-run enclaves to transit Turkey and be delivered to the besieged forces of the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protections Units (YPG). But Mr Erdogan, who seems to defer to the country’s more hawkish generals on Kurdish matters these days, is said to have quashed the idea. He also told America, which has been conducting air strikes in defence of Kobane, that they would not get Turkish help unless they agreed to target Mr Assad as well as IS., and set up a no-fly zone.
His inaction is stirring Kurdish accusations that Mr Erdogan is either co-operating with IS’s jihadists, or at least fears them less than he does the YPG, an offshoot of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) that has waged a decades-long insurgency for self-rule in Turkey. Yet Abdullah Ocalan, the imprisoned PKK leader, has warned that peace talks with the Turkish government would end if the jihadists were allowed to prevail. On October 7th young Kurds went on a rampage, burning vehicles, looting shops, and hurling Molotov cocktails and rocks at police, who responded with tear gas and water cannons. More than 20 died.
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THE ASS STABBERS DEPLOYED AND USED MORE TROOPS TO CURB PROTESTERS THAN THEY DID TO STOP ISIS
Tanks and armoured vehicles were deployed to impose curfews in the predominantly Kurdish cities of Diyarbakir, Batman, Bingol, and Van, as well as other areas. Mr Erdogan’s calculation that the Kurds cannot afford to open a second front against Turkey while they are grappling with the jihadists is being tested. Mr Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development party may be hurt by the turmoil, especially if it scares off foreign investors before parliamentary elections due to be held next summer.
A sinister dimension is the fact that most of those killed in street violence died in clashes between sympathisers of rival Kurdish groups—the PKK on one side and Huda-Par, a pro-Islamic group, on the other. Huda-Par has links to an armed Kurdish faction known as Hizbullah (unconnected to the militia in Lebanon); in the 1990s it fought a nasty war against the PKK that left thousands of Kurds dead. Turkey’s “deep state,” dominated by rogue generals, is widely believed to have egged on the Islamists against their nationalist brethren. Mr Erdogan’s much-vaunted peace process with the Kurds is fast collapsing.
This is basic and simple:
ReplyDeleteIf ISIS is not a threat to US interests, get out.
If ISIS is threat to US interests, ally with those that can and will fight them. That includes Hezbollah, the Kurds of any stripe, the Mahdi Army and any Lebanese, Iraqi, Syrian or Iranian force that wants to win and fight.
Dump the ass stabbers, the 911 boosters and the other worthless US “allies” in the region.
There you have it.
DeleteSomeone has understood the story arc.
Someone has achieved coherence, it was not Legionnaire Q.
The US should dump those pieces of shit that prefer al-Qeada
Delete"O"rdures like Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Jack LIES
DeleteOne can always cookie out and forget about it all -
ReplyDeleteCO pot shops introduce less potent 'Rookie Cookie' after tourists get too high..............drudge
Robert "Bob" Peterson drinks his wine, to gain that same effect, to catch a 'high', to find his own piece of private oblivion.
DeleteIt certainly seems to work, for him.
He is drunk, most of the time.
As for the edibles, in Colorado ...
Not the most effective way to indulge in the God's gift to man.
Alcohol, is really a fuel for vehicles, it is a poison when imbibed in more than moderate quantities.
Alcohol poisoning is a serious — and sometimes deadly — consequence of drinking large amounts of alcohol in a short period of time. - Mayo Clinic.
Jack LIES
DeleteMan o man, the Q-Man has certainly being taking ratboy apart at the seams the last few threads, hasn't he?
ReplyDeleteWow, kinda fun to watch this type of dismemberment...........
Where is the collection of work he promised to produce?
DeleteUnavailable
Where is the "new blog".
Unavailable
Where is the Legionnaire?
Teutoburg Forest
Only a Vandal football fan would see the Legionnaire Q fail to preform, not gain a yard, and claim that the opponent had been given a shellacking.
DeleteBut then again, George S Patton Jr. was thinking of Robert "Bob" Peterson when he wrote ...
“Anyone in any walk of life who is content with mediocrity is untrue to himself and to American tradition.”
― George S. Patton Jr.
You must be, as is actually obvious to all, extremely disappointed in yourself, Jack, as you are the definition of mediocrity.
DeleteNot at all, Robert "Bob" Peterson, over 235,000 views at Jack's Google profile, prove your assertions to be baseless, without merit.
DeleteProof is provided, by Google.
Go check it out.
Jack LIES
DeleteThe Fix
ReplyDelete40 painful seconds of Alison Lundergan Grimes refusing to say whether she voted for President Obama
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/10/09/40-painful-seconds-of-alison-lundergan-grimes-refusing-to-say-whether-she-voted-for-president-obama/
40 second painful video included.
Rufus, on the other hand, is made of more honest and sturdy stuff...........
"Yes, I voted for the moron, and remain proud of it !!"
:)
I am more concerned about the duplicitous Turks and the charade being played out in Kobane. Turkey needs to be relieved of the burden of being part of Nato and any pretensions of being part of Europe.
ReplyDeleteNah, NATO has nothing to do with Syria, Iraq or Israel
DeleteJack LIES
DeleteOctober 10, 2014
ReplyDeleteThe Middle East Nightmare Intensifies
By E. Jeffrey Ludwig
In a recent article in Commentary, Jonathan Tobin states, “As the Times notes, even though both Iran and Hezbollah agree that there will be no coordination with the United States – a position that the administration is adamant about – the reality on the ground may be different.”
Mr. Tobin says there “may be” coordination. Let us instead state unequivocally that there is and will be definite and explicit coordination among Hezb'allah, Iran, and the U.S. We are already in (structured but bogus) negotiations with Iran about its nuclear weapons systems. These negotiations will now, in private as well as public, include discussions about dealing with ISIS and our presence as a military force in Syria, which Iran is claiming to protect.
Have you read one word of protest or outrage by Syria or Iran about our bombings in Syria? Does not that itself show that we have made a deal to get their permission to do this bombing?
In short, by fighting ISIS in Syria and joining hands with Iran in order to do so, the U.S. is giving its seal of approval to its hardened enemies. This is not merely a “possibility,” as Mr. Tobin implies, but a fact. The enemies of our enemies have become our friends. But they are not really our friends, because Iran hates the U.S. more than it can ever hate ISIS.
At the same time, we have been told that the U.S. has engaged a coalition of Arab states including Saudi Arabia and Qatar in its fight with ISIS, but these “allies” still are not completely on board, and it is unclear what their role will be. These “allies” are also our enemies. We remember that 16 of the 19 terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center were Saudis, and Saudi Arabia has been the leading exporter of the most virulent doctrine of sharia rule by Islamists, called Wahhabism. The potentates of Saudi Arabia are funding this doctrine in Muslim and non-Muslim states through schools and mosques throughout the world. Similarly, Qatar has been supplying weapons to militant Islamists throughout the Middle East, including Yemen, Libya, and especially the Taliban in Afghanistan (recall that the recent prisoner swap of Bergdahl for five Taliban leaders was negotiated and channeled through Qatar).
DeleteMy mind keeps going back to the Book of Jeremiah, where Jeremiah brings a prophecy from Almighty God to the leaders of Judah that their attempts to negotiate deals with Egypt in order to save themselves from the Babylonians not only were futile, but would lead to even greater destruction than if they just accepted the inevitable. You cannot enter into negotiations with your enemies and expect to be “saved” from your other enemies by those alliances.
The U.S. non-policy in Iraq and the Middle East masquerading as policy is verging on madness. It is a non-policy of diddling, manipulating public opinion, indecisiveness, and confusion as to the goals of the U.S. Although condemning and threatening Assad for using chemical WMD on civilians, and Israel for the deaths of Gazan women and children, the United States is now using missiles and/or bombs in civilian-populated areas. Our moral position is hypocritical at best. Further, U.S. strategy is more than questionable. “Strategy” not built on a sound and constructive set of policies is inherently flawed. Our bombing of ISIS and negotiations with our enemies is a delaying tactic, hoping that the beheadings and bad press about President Obama’s “lack of strategy” will blow over.
DeleteHow can U.S. national defense possibly be enhanced by drawing closer to Iran? The U.S. military is being downsized. The threat of Islamic militancy is being downplayed or marginalized in the U.S., and our use of drones over sovereign state airspace is only of limited usefulness. Further, the U.S. military’s rules of engagement for U.S. troops in foreign lands have been diluted. A recent directive to our troops noted that if they are fired upon, they can return fire. Imagine: a military force needs to be “allowed” to fire on the enemy.
Why is the U.S. leadership not more firm or even hostile towards the bad actors in the Middle East? To U.S. leadership – a leadership deeply steeped in leftist ideology – Hezb'allah, Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, and even al-Qaeda are acting out and crying out because of long held "legitimate grievances" that need to be addressed. Even in his speech about “degrading” and “destroying” ISIS, Pres. Obama referred vaguely to longstanding “grievances” of various parties in the Middle East.
What are some of their longstanding grievances that are so intractable? For one thing, the Arab "on the street" is still infuriated that crusaders attacked in 1095 and three other times in the 12th century. Should the leaders of Europe and the West go on a tour of the Muslim world, apologizing for this great misdeed to their ancestors? Perhaps there should be reparations paid to all the descendants of the “victims” of the Crusades. What about the grievances of the Shiites and the Sunnis toward each other? They have been killing each other for 1,400 years over the true line of succession from Muhammad. We may all recall that the Roman Catholics had a longstanding dispute about whether the true pope should be located at Avignon or in Rome. And there was a dispute between Constantinople and Rome that morphed into a disagreement between Rome and the various Eastern Orthodox churches that has lasted until this day. But the two sides made their peace with it, agreeing to disagree rather than killing each other.
Does the U.S. have a right to bomb Syria? What will a victory over ISIS look like? In fact, the key word is “victory.” Without a defined policy with a highly rationalized definition of what the policy’s success will be, one is doomed not to a stalemate, but to a loss. Would not these questions be asked if Pres. Obama were to go to Congress, as required by the U.S. Constitution, to get permission for said bombing? Should Congress give that permission? The murky waters of U.S. shifting alliances in the Middle East have been made even murkier by the absence not only of strategy, but of a policy toward Iraq guiding that strategy.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/10/the_middle_east_nightmare_intensifies.html#ixzz3Fj1uInzF
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Translation:
DeleteObama doesn't know what the F he is doing, and probably doesn't care either.
His Zionist backer in the US are dancing with glee.
DeleteThey are obtaining the strategic advantage they have wanted since 1982.
Obama is right on time, right on target.
The Zionists should be celebrating, instead Robert "Bob" Peterson is crying in his wine.
Robert Peterson just does not understand who Mr Obama is working for, but Lester Crown knows.
Mr Crown is pleased with his employee.
His Zionist backers in the US are dancing with glee.
DeleteHis - that would be Mr Obama.
DeleteZionism (Hebrew: צִ×™ּוֹ× ×•ּת, translit. Tsiyonoot) is a nationalist movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel.[1][2][3][4] A religious variety of Zionism supports Jews upholding their Jewish identity, opposes the assimilation of Jews into other societies and has advocated the return of Jews to Israel as a means for Jews to be a majority in their own nation, and to be liberated from antisemitic discrimination, exclusion, and persecution that had historically occurred in the diaspora.[1] Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in central and eastern Europe as a national revival movement, and soon after this most leaders of the movement associated the main goal with creating the desired state in Palestine, then an area controlled by the Ottoman Empire.[5][6][7] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of Israel and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to non-political, cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha'am; and political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as in Christian Zionism.
DeleteDefenders of Zionism say it is a national liberation movement for the repatriation of a dispersed socio-religious group to what they see as an abandoned homeland millennia before
What's not to love?
I am a Zionist.
We know, "O"rdure.
DeleteThat is why you are held in such disdain.
Our allegiance must be purely to the United States.
We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”
“But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic,
then no matter where he was born,
he is just as good an American as any one else.”
“The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin,
of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all,
would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities...
...
each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
Well, the other reason you are held in disdain, you are a poor credit risk.
DeleteWhat is "Occupation"Fri Oct 03, 10:16:00 AM EDT
I have been turned down repeatedly for a REFI.
The system is screwed.
A poor credit risk that, by blaming others, refuses to accept personal responsibility for his circumstance.
Now, a man like Donald Trump, even though he has had financial ups and downs, even declaring bankruptcy, is not held in disdain, because he accepts the responsibility for his circumstance, unlike "O"rdure.
"O"rdure attempts to blame "The System" for his lack of financial capacity.
Mexican authorities have found four more secret graves containing charred human remains at a site where officials fear missing students were massacred by gang members and police.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Deuce. Turkey has no place in NATO. Back in the Soviet days maybe. But not now.
ReplyDeleteTurkey should exit NATO, to be replaced by Israel, India and Australia.......
rat should agree with Turkey being replaced. He insisted once you had to have a border on the North Atlantic to be a member.......
NATO is a defensive alliance, to confront Russia.
DeleteIf Russia is no longer a threat, NATO should be disbanded.
If Russia is a threat, Turkey is the primary stalwart on the Southern flank.
Israel is a Russian satellite, over 20% of its European immigrants are of Russian origin.
The Russian language in Israel is spoken natively by a large proportion of the population, reaching about 20 percent of the total population - Wiki
many Russian-speaking Israelis choose to preserve their language and culture. There are Russian newspapers, television stations, schools, and social media outlets based in Israel.
Immigrants from the FSU have also forced Israel to ask difficult “Who is a Jew?” questions. Under the Law of Return, Israel grants automatic citizenship to anyone who has a Jewish grandparent--even though this includes people who would not be considered Jewish according to the official Israeli rabbinate. As many as a quarter of those who immigrated to Israel from the FSU under the Law of Return are not considered Jewish by Israel’s Orthodox rabbinate.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/israel/Contemporary_Life/Society_and_Religious_Issues/Russians_in_Israel.shtml
Only someone that did not have the "National Interests" of the United States would advocate for putting the ...
"Enemy in Our Midst"
Someone that was a Draft Dodger, back in the day.
Someone like Robert "Bob" Peterson.
Jack LIES
DeleteMany Democrats, and even Democratic candidates, are denying or refusing to admit they voted for Obama for President these days.
ReplyDeleteOnly Rufus remains stout, true, even proud, unashamed, unbowed.......
One must admit Rufus has some extremely admirable characteristics, a heart as big as all Montana, doesn't know the meaning of duplicitous....
...................but shouldn't be allowed to vote ever again.......
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Robert "Bob" Peterson is parroting the Republican line on voter suppression.
DeleteHe favors a "Free Krdistan" but wants to limit voter participation in the United States.
When GOP tactics are equally applied, the Republicans cry foul.
Arkansas GOP Outraged About Voter Suppression After Candidate Gets Kicked Off The Voter Rolls
Arkansas Attorney General candidate Leslie Rutledge is crying foul over the cancellation of her voter registration form. Rutledge, the Republican nominee for Attorney General, was kicked off the voter rolls after it was discovered that she failed to cancel previous voter registrations in Washington, DC and Virginia, and re-register in Pulaski County when she moved. Pulaski County Clerk Larry Crane, a Democrat, said he was legally obligated to remove her after receiving a letter flagging this issue.
Rutledge and Republican groups are calling the removal a “dirty trick” that was politically motivated. But what happened to Rutledge is in fact very common, and becoming even more common after the state implemented a number of strict voter restrictions, including a controversial voter ID law being litigated in court Thursday.
Democratic Party chair Vincent Insalaco pointed out in his statement that “a thousand eligible voters had their absentee ballots thrown out earlier this year following the implementation of more rigorous voting guidelines.”
Be careful what you wish for, Robert "Bob" Peterson.
DeleteHe (Robert "Bob" Peterson) favors a "Free Kurdistan" but wants to limit voter participation in the United States.
Jack LIES
DeleteThird (turd) party candidates may harm Republican Senate chances -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/late-season-surprises-shake-gop-confidence-in-senate-elections/2014/10/08/66499c1c-4ef4-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html
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I noticed that whack job Ron Paul, a favorite of Mr All USA rat (unless he is quoting Schopenhauer, whom he does understand in the least, but no matter), advocating all the virtues of secession the other day.
It was worth a chuckle.
One secret to enjoying a blog is one's capacity for inner laughter......
No matter what the topic, no matter what the dialogue, no matter WHO posts or doesn't, Jack Shit posts the same cut and past posts over and over. Hour after hour, day after day.
ReplyDeleteNo one take a word he says seriously, he adds nothing to the conversation.
In most places it's called "SPAM".
Makes one truly w
Yep .. because, "O"rdure, we have taken lessons from Winston Churchill.
DeleteIf you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
- Winston Churchill
Now when he Zionists fail to respond to the posting of their Ambassador to the United States telling the world that
Israel Prefers al-Qeada
That's when it will be apparent that the meme has run its course.
As long as it causes a response from the Conga Line, it will remain both timely and germane.
DeleteNow when the Zionists fail to respond to the posting of their Ambassador to the United States telling the world that
No one has "failed" to respond.
DeleteWe have pointed out repeatedly that you distort and lie, misdirect and take out of context everyone's words.
Getting into a specific discussion with a liar like you is a waste of effort and time.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
- Winston Churchill
Jack? You are a worm tongue, a scoundrel and a liar.
Rat aka Jack? You distort and lie.
Farmer Rob, aka Rat, aka Jack? You misdirect and LIE.
Jack LIES
DeleteOn US Airways flight 850, traveling from Philadelphia to the Dominican Republic’s Punta Cana, a passenger with the sniffles let a sneeze fly. Then, the man allegedly made a comment about his Ebola acting up. Two hours later, the man didn’t have a single friend left on the airplane. The flight was grounded until a hazmat-suited emergency team could remove and isolate the passenger, who was found to neither have traveled to Africa, nor Ebola-infected.
ReplyDeleteThe Chicken Littles in the Righty Blogosphere should be happy now.
I don't find that at all funny.
DeleteOne should not make one's fellow passengers feel uncomfortable.
It's like shouting out "Hi, Jack!" upon seeing one's friend Jack on an airliner.......
It is ill mannered and thoughtless and not at all funny.
I happily plead guilty in advance to a possible charge of old fart syndrome.....
DeleteGas. It's munchin' the alfalfa, Bob. Don't get high on your own supply.
DeleteFerguson Braces for Lynch Mob Revival
ReplyDeleteOctober 10, 2014 by Matthew Vadum 9 Comments
Matthew Vadum is an award-winning investigative reporter and the author of the book, "Subversion Inc.: How Obama’s ACORN Red Shirts Are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers."
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Screen Shot 2014-10-10 at 2.37.46 AMPolice in Ferguson, Mo. are preparing for the mayhem and deadly violence that radical activists are promising if a grand jury declines to indict police officer Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown two months ago.
A grand jury is expected to determine next month if Wilson, a decorated white policeman, will face criminal charges for killing Brown, an 18-year-old black man who reportedly attacked him minutes after robbing a convenience store. The St. Louis suburb has been plagued by violent demonstrations since the Aug. 9 shooting. Hundreds of people, including individuals police call “outside agitators,” have been arrested in nearly continuous protests since Brown’s death.
The politically correct lie that a helpless 6’4″ 292-lbs. Brown was shot in cold blood, arms raised while attempting to surrender to white Wilson, instead of the less convenient truth that Brown was beating the cop while reaching for his gun, won’t die. In the minutes before the altercation with Wilson, Brown was captured on video bullying a much smaller East Indian shopkeeper during a robbery, an act that some might consider a hate crime.
Local agitators connected to the former Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) are knee-deep in the unrest in Ferguson. Missourians Organizing for Reform & Empowerment (MORE) has been active in the protests and in efforts to free jailed demonstrators so they can continue vandalizing businesses, intimidating perceived adversaries, setting fires, throwing projectiles and urine at cops, and engaging in the Left’s usual modes of so-called nonviolent protest.
The MORE front group’s executive director is longtime ACORN organizer Jeff Ordower. Ordower, a vote fraud apologist, previously ran Missouri ACORN. Under orders from ACORN’s national headquarters the Missouri chapter incorporated itself separately as MORE in December 2009.
DeleteState authorities are holding two to three meetings a week to draft plans to deal with riots should they materialize.
“We know outside groups visited us in August,” St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said. “We are expecting that different people will come in from outside the St. Louis area.”
Ferguson Mayor James Knowles said he is afraid that “the unrest is going to be far beyond the city of Ferguson” if Wilson is not indicted.
Activists say if Wilson is cleared by the grand jury, rioting will follow.
Ferguson protest leader Tef Poe told Reuters to expect “carnage” if an indictment is not handed down. “There is a lot of explosive energy.”
“If they can’t serve justice in this, the people have every right to go out and express their rage in a manner that is equal to what we have suffered,” said Ashley Yates, who co-founded Millennial Activists United. Yates, who spoke at a New York rally alongside activists from Hands Up United and the Organization for Black Struggle, was arrested last week during a demonstration in Ferguson. The rally took place in the same ballroom where Malcolm X was murdered in a hail of gunfire in 1965.
“We’re going to take our anger out on the people who have failed us, and if they are prepared to deal with that, then let them have at it,” Yates said.
DeletePoe said that although Americans have often expected “casual revolution,” Ferguson may be “the moment when we can’t do that.”
Poe urged his fellow activists to die for the cause, browbeating what he termed the “intellectual set” who contemplate race relations but “didn’t show up and didn’t want to get shot when the teargas came out.”
“Don’t come to Ferguson if you aren’t ready to die,” Yates said. “Stay at home, as it could happen.”
“I can say this with 100 percent certainty: all three of us have had moments in the street where we realized we could die right there,” Yates said.
Answering claims that activists had encouraged rioting, Poe said, “No, you incited a riot by leaving Mike Brown’s body on the street for four and a half hours.”
More protests are expected in Ferguson over this weekend.
Activists are also demanding that Bob McCulloch, the prosecuting attorney in the case, recuse himself. They claim he is biased in favor of the police. They also want the mayor and police chief Tom Jackson to resign for supposedly mishandling the case.
Although they won’t admit it publicly, Obama administration officials are praying for the worst.
Attorney General Eric Holder has been deliberately fanning the flames of racial discontent in Ferguson. It’s good for revving up the Democrats’ political base in time for the November elections that could hand control of the U.S. Senate to Republicans.
Despite the continuing absence of any evidence whatsoever that race was a factor in the shooting of Brown, the Department of Justice has been conducting a race-baiting witch hunt aimed at the entire police force in Ferguson. It is nothing more than a taxpayer-funded Democratic Party voter registration drive disguised as a civil rights investigation. Such hoaxes are the stock in trade of the radical community organizers who run the Obama White House.
To add an aura of legitimacy to the witch hunt, the U.S. Conference of Mayors held a symposium on the events in Ferguson at Bill Clinton’s presidential library in Little Rock, Ark.
Attorney General Holder wasn’t shy about discussing the Obama administration’s rather frightening plans to use the Ferguson crisis as a pretext for bringing local police forces under greater federal control.
“The events in Ferguson reminded us that we cannot and must not allow tensions, which are present in so many neighborhoods across America, to go unresolved,” said Holder who announced his intention to resign his post two weeks ago.
Holder told participants at the conference Wednesday that the U.S. Department of Justice’s broad review of police training, techniques, and tactics ought to be expanded “to provide strong, national direction on a scale not seen since President Lyndon Johnson’s Commission on Law Enforcement nearly half a century ago.”
The Obama administration never, ever lets a crisis go to waste.
Who knows what a grand jury might do, but my hunch is that they won't indict.
DeleteIf that turns out to be the case, surely this article is on the right track.........it will be another excuse for some fun and riots and free stuff........with many from outside the community of Ferguson leading the charge.....
Front Page Magazine agrees -
ReplyDeleteIt’s Time to Kick Terrorist Turkey Out of NATO
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/its-time-to-kick-terrorist-turkey-out-of-nato/
Israel and India and Australia are much better fits.
For that matter, kick Turkey out and put the new Kurdistan in.....
DeleteJews and Europe don't play well together. Last time, Europe sent them out in cattle cars.
DeleteMost of the Jews are in Israel nowadays, Miss T.
DeleteHistory is unlikely to repeat.
We all have a common enemy now.
By the way this is celebrate The Battle of Tours week.
Robert "Bob" Peterson is lying, again.
DeleteNo one can even come to terms with the definition of what a "Jew" is, let alone where 'they' are..
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/israel/Contemporary_Life/Society_and_Religious_Issues/Russians_in_Israel.shtml
Who is the "Common Enemy" that Robert "Bob" Peterson is referring to?
DeleteNot the Muslims, as the Zionist in Israel have formed an alliance with them.
In broad daylight, a Saudi-Israeli alliance
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Saudi Israeli alliance forged in blood
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Understanding the Israeli-Egyptian-Saudi alliance - Ms Glick @ the JPost
Not the Russians ...
The Russian language in Israel is spoken natively by a large proportion of the population, reaching about 20 percent of the total population.... many Russian-speaking Israelis choose to preserve their language and culture.
There are Russian newspapers, television stations, schools, and social media outlets based in Israel.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/israel/Contemporary_Life/Society_and_Religious_Issues/Russians_in_Israel.shtml
Not the Russians ...
DeleteThe Russian language in Israel is spoken natively by a large proportion of the population, reaching about 20 percent of the total population -
.... many Russian-speaking Israelis choose to preserve their language and culture.
There are Russian newspapers, television stations, schools, and social media outlets based in Israel.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/israel/Contemporary_Life/Society_and_Religious_Issues/Russians_in_Israel.shtml
Jack HawkinsFri Oct 10, 09:37:00 AM EDT
DeleteRobert "Bob" Peterson is lying, again.
No one can even come to terms with the definition of what a "Jew" is, let alone where 'they' are..
Well we can AGREE that you have no opinion on the topic worthy of consideration.
The Jewish PEOPLE themselves will address this issue, thanks for your concern.
Now if memory serves, your forefathers had no problem figuring out "who is a Jew" when they were gassing us or murdering us like ISIS in ditches…..
So for all queries we can answer the question like this:
Would Jack Hawkins aka Rat or his ancestors, consider a specific individual JEWISH enough to be worthy of a bullet in the back of the head?
If Jack or his forefathers would shoot?
That's a Jew
Ad hominem arguments are a preferred tool for people who ran out of real arguments
Delete(or are unable to understand someone else's opinion in the first place).
It's so much easier to just attack another person instead of attacking his arguments
(especially if the other person is right.)
"O"rdure's own chocolate center has filled up with poison,
the words he wrote all twisted black with his hatred of truth, justice and the American Way.
Jack HawkinsFri Oct 10, 10:27:00 AM EDT
DeleteAd hominem arguments are a preferred tool for people who ran out of real arguments
(or are unable to understand someone else's opinion in the first place).
You just described yourself.
These early morning hours are a peaceful delight.
ReplyDeleteBut I sense the 'return of the rat' and so am signing out for a while.....
Cheers!
But I wanted to get in this --
DeleteNorth Korean leader Kim Jong Un misses shrine visit, KCNA reports
By Madison Park, CNN
updated 6:41 AM EDT, Fri October 10, 2014
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/10/world/asia/kim-jong-un-north-korea/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Where's Kim Jong Un?
Possible lessons here.......don't kill your uncle......watch your sister........don't purge half of your entire bully buddies....
One possible speculation is he'd gotten so fat his weight crushed his ankles........
One highly rated blog spot has it that someone named The Quart, a westerner, has been on mission.......
Something does seem to be happening in North Korea now.......
My guess is that he's in a coma and the puppeteers are forced to come out of the woodwork...
DeleteCan't they find a suitable stand in look alike then?
DeleteMaybe that USA basketball player that was recently visiting ?
Heh, ;)
(that is supposed to provoke a little chuckle, if it doesn't it is your fault)
hardeharhar
DeleteThat was funny as hell Bob!
ROTFLMAO
Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani teenager who survived an assassination attempt by the Taliban, has won the Nobel Peace Prize. And I thought John Kerry was a shoe-in for the apartheid thing...
ReplyDeleteJust goes to show, Ms T, you are not "In Touch" with the 'vibe' of those Swedes.
DeleteGimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight)
DeleteJack HawkinsFri Oct 10, 09:35:00 AM EDT
DeleteJust goes to show, Ms T, you are not "In Touch" with the 'vibe' of those Swedes.
Interesting, "Jack Knows Shit" has an opinion on everything. Who would have guessed that a professional horse shit shoveler has an in depth knowledge of the Nobel Prize process.
Teresita RedingerFri Oct 10, 09:34:00 AM EDT
DeleteMy guess is that he's in a coma
Think of the geopolitical realignment possible if he's dead and replaced by Generals that do not hold his paranoid/god persona
He doesn't hold to a paranoid/god persona, he is the avatar of a god made by the state, sort of like that red flag a matador waves in front of a bull. The generals have held the real power all along.
Delete"O"rdure, all about Jack, all the time.
Delete;-)
I would have thought he'd be spending more time working on these ...
DeleteSeven simple ways to improve his credit score.
You are not a good reader Jack off...
DeleteMy credit score is stellar.
The system is screwed up.
My next door neighbor wants to buy 110 acres, as 30% down and a 800 score and can't get a bank to lend to him/
Now go back to your lies and distortions since you are incapable of having an honest discussion about any topic.
Press button for a short speech by the President.
ReplyDeleteOn the crapper it says "Push handle to hear Jack The Crapper".
DeleteCBS Buries Poor Approval Ratings for Obama, Democrats Ahead of Midterms
ReplyDeleteby Curtis Houck
What?
DeleteWhy would Leslie Moonves, nephew of David Ben-Gurion, do such a thing?
Especially if there was any truth to the claims, as the Israeli propagandists tell us, that Mr Obama was not a "Friend of Israel"
DeleteYou could find Israel and Jews in a Big Mac. Well, you cannot lose, I'll give you that.
DeleteI thought cheeseburgers were against Exodus 34 or something...
DeleteRocket Fuel $1.80 / Gallon in Lowell, Michigan
ReplyDeleteMichigan Prices
Less than $0.09 / Mile for my full-size car.
DeleteLess than $0.09 / Mile for a full-size car, running on corn stalks.
DeleteThat'll get it.
Not a penny for Saudi Arabia, or Russia.
DeleteWe provide security for the Arabians.
DeleteShipping lanes for oil to flow to China.
Maybe America should charge for the service.
ISIS = Hamas = ISIS
ReplyDeleteLike Hamas, ISIS Also Used Children as Human Shields
October 10, 2014 by Daniel Greenfield
Hot Air
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.
2009-01-08-hamas-firing-rockets-in-gaza-600
According to Obama Inc, Vox and the usual media suspects, Hamas is nothing like ISIS despite both of them being Islamic terrorist groups that are cousins through the Muslim Brotherhood.
Aside from all the expected things that they have in common, both the Islamic Resistance (Hamas) and the Islamic State (ISIS) have one more thing in common.
They like to hide behind little kids.
IDPs who had fled from Ninewa Plains and Makhmour during ISIL advance on 6 August told UNAMI/OHCHR that male teenage family members around 15 years and above had been forcibly recruited by ISIL. Some of these boys who had subsequently managed to escape reported to their families that they were forced to form the front line to shield ISIL fighters during fighting, and that they had been forced to donate blood for treating injured ISIL fighters.
That comes from a UN report. You know the guys who were helping act as Hamas’ human shields. It also means that the stories of civilian casualties in US air strikes tend to be more complicated because according to the report, ISIS forced its human shields to dress like them precisely to create child casualties to undermine the US effort against it using the usual treason lobby suspects.
It’s like Hamas and ISIS are operating from the same playbook.
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-decrepit-hostels-fotostrecke-119742.html
ReplyDeletePhoto Gallery: Decrepit Refugee Hostels
"Teresita RedingerFri Oct 10, 09:27:00 AM EDT
ReplyDeleteMalala Yousafzai, the Pakistani teenager who survived an assassination attempt by the Taliban, has won the Nobel Peace Prize. And I thought John Kerry was a shoe-in for the apartheid thing..."
No. Sadly, for Mr. Kerry, the Third Intifada did not materialize.
What is "Occupation"Fri Oct 10, 10:19:00 AM EDT
ReplyDeleteJack HawkinsFri Oct 10, 09:37:00 AM EDT
Now if memory serves, your forefathers had no problem figuring out "who is a Jew" when they were gassing us or murdering us like ISIS in ditches…..
Jack uses the Nuremberg Laws of 1935. It simplifies things for him, say, the blood purity of the Jews who own the NYT.
Blut und Ehre, that's Jack's motto.
"What is "Occupation"Fri Oct 10, 08:53:00 AM EDT
ReplyDeleteNo matter what the topic, no matter what the dialogue, no matter WHO posts or doesn't, Jack Shit posts the same cut and past posts over and over. Hour after hour, day after day."
As I said years ago, I do not believe he is native born and educated. No one has ever seen Jack write even a small essay (3-5 paragraphs - at least 300 words).
He is incapable of constructing even a simple sentence, e.g., "Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda". Therefore, he relies on the selectively scavenged work of others.
(The above contains 62 words.)
ANKARA: At least 31 people have been killed and 360 others injured in a four day "spiral of violence" in Turkey led by pro-Kurdish protesters demonstrating against the government's policy on Syria, the interior minister said Friday.
DeleteInterior Minister Efkan Ala pledged that the government would press on with efforts despite the violence to make peace with Kurdish rebels who have a waged a 30-year insurgency for self-rule in the east of Turkey.
In addition to the toll of 31 people killed in protests, two policemen were shot dead in the southern city of Bingol late Thursday while inspecting the scene of a demonstration, Ala told reporters.
Bingol province's police chief was seriously wounded in the attack.
Five "terrorists" suspected of gunning them down were themselves killed by the security forces, Ala confirmed.
"This spiral of violence should immediately be stopped," he said in a statement.
"Everyone should do their part to put an end to these incidents. We should all stand in solidarity with each other."
Ala said that clashes broke out in 35 cities, and 221 civilians and 139 security officials including police were wounded.
ah the Turks are getting the blowback they deserve.
maybe we should have a ship to sail to Turkey for weapons for the KURDs and call it a humanitarian aid mission….
Jack plays a One Note Samba.
Deletehttp://www.onenote.com/?CR_CC=200061904&WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=PS_Google_OneNote_microsoft_one_note_Text
One Note helps to manage the content ...
DeleteContent that is #1 one the hit parade, Doug.
No one else here even comes close to a thousand views a day.
;-)
"Bob OreilleFri Oct 10, 08:34:00 AM EDT
ReplyDeleteI agree with Deuce. Turkey has no place in NATO."
Turkey is in a pickle. It cannot join the Arab League because Turks are not Arabic. Germany and France will not have them in the EU. When neither fish nor fowl, what do they do? What do they do?
Rufus asked:
ReplyDeleteWhy Kobani is important to Isis?
Video report explains the significance of the battle for Kobani, on Syria's border with Turkey.
US Secretary of State John Kerry claims the region is not a priority for international forces.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/oct/09/why-is-kobani-so-important-isis-video-report
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ReplyDeleteTurkey has proven to be an unreliable partner to the US on a number of occasions. If reports are credible, they have helped stoke the fire in Syria with their actions and should be condemned for it.
However, when viewed from the Turkish side, they are merely acting in their own self-interest. The fact that Turkish aims do not mesh with those of the US in this instance has people here pissed off. Erdogan asks why Turkey should be the only country that is asked to send in ground troops against ISIS. He might as well ask the real question, when Turkey's main priorities are regime change in Damascus and emasculating the Kurds, why would it want to take actions suggested by the US that would strengthen the Kurdish militants and potentially provide a boost for Assad.
Whereas a country like Jordan pretty much does whatever the US asks, Turkey acts in its own self-interest. For that they are vilified.
There are plenty of reasons to bemoan our partnership with Turkey. I don't see their current inaction as one of them.
.
Turkey has a true history of empire. It also has the history of true genocide and true occupation.
DeleteFor all the shit israel gets about "occupation" of disputed lands?
Turkey occupied 1000 times more land from several distinct peoples who historically had nations.
So honestly? Turkey's interests?
Was it in Turkey's interests to send terrorists to break the legal blockage of Gaza?
Was it in Turkey's interests to invade and conquer Cyprus? (and occupy northern cyprus) Slaughter the Greeks and Cypriots?
Was it in Turkey's interests to provide aid to Hamas to wage terror against Israel?
Was it in Turkey's interest to slaughter almost a MILLION Armenians?
just wondering.
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DeleteThey seemed to think so.
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Hitler thought he had "german" interests in mind also
Delete.
DeleteAnd the Stern Gang had Zionist interests in mind, also.
How long should we continue?
.
.
You might consider comparability: the Stern Gang v Hilter's Germany... That's a head scratcher.
DeleteThe Little Rascals v The Cosa Nostra
Deletea Beit Din v The Inquisition
... a pleasant weekend to all ...
"What is "Occupation"Fri Oct 10, 12:19:00 PM EDT
ReplyDeletemaybe we should have a ship to sail to Turkey for weapons for the KURDs and call it a humanitarian aid mission…."
WiO,
I am surprised at you: Turkey is a real country, don't you know; you can't do that!
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ReplyDeleteAtaturk said, “Unless a nation’s life faces peril, war is murder.” And as policy, he suggested "Peace at Home, peace in the world."
Under Erdogan, Turkey has been trying to achieve hegemony, social, military, and cultural dominance, over its neighbors. That's tough to do when the region holds a number of other states (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, Israel), all trying to do the same thing. It's been tough. He wants to expand economic ties with Iranand after being rebuffed by the EU, he has turned towards Asia and has tried to become a member of the SCO which is dominated by Russia and China. His actions against Syria put all of these aims at risk. Plus he has frustrated (pissed off?) the US. Now the Kurds are becoming active again. Things aren't going as planned for Erdogan at this point.
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The Turkish economy is fundamentally weak, dependent upon cash inflows from anonymous benefactor states.
Deletehttp://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/09/24/erdogans-flying-carpet-unravels/
ErdoÄŸan’s Flying Carpet Unravels
"What is "Occupation"Fri Oct 10, 12:55:00 PM EDT
ReplyDeleteWe provide security for the Arabians.
Shipping lanes for oil to flow to China.
Maybe America should charge for the service."
Europe also is dependent on the Strait of Hormuz. Neither the EU nor China yet have a navy capable of keeping it open.
As an aside, what we now keep open, we can close. One day, that may prove strategically decisive. The cost of pointless military adventure has cost us the edge our deep-water navy once provided. The $1.5 billion spent in this latest game could have put a ship to sea. You can never have too many ships.
Wretchard has up a very good essay on the betrayal of the Kurds. The Iraqi Kurds should take heed.
ReplyDeletehttp://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2014/10/08/im-just-a-gigolo/#more-39774
I’m Just a Gigolo
"If you like your agreement with Bush you can keep your agreement with Bush,"
DeleteThe Shah of Iran, the President of Vietnam ...
DeleteSalvador Allende, the list goes on, and on.
The more things 'change', the more they stay the same.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-turns-486-million-afghan-air-fleet-32000/story?id=26083173
ReplyDeleteUS Turns $486 Million Afghan Air Fleet into $32,000 of Scrap Metal
Funny stuff, but ...
ReplyDeleteIsrael uses the Nuremberg Laws to define what a "Jew" is.
The 'Real" Jews do not agree ... But then, the truth of it is ...
The Zionists ARE NOT Jews.
There is no religious component to being a Zionist.
Nor to being an Israeli, beyond those Nuremberg Law qualifications.
The NASI never strayed far from the Fatherland Standards
DeleteThe Israeli DEMAND that the Palestinians recognize the "Jewishness" of Israel ...
DeleteBut cannot tell us what being a Jew is.
The Zionist government of Israel and the Rabbinate, just do not agree.
So how could a reasonable person expect the Palestinians to agree to an amorphous standard of ...
Delete'It is in flux'
I guess it's like when the far right calls Libertarian isolationists "un-American".
Delete
Delete"Our allegiance must be purely to the United States.
We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
“But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic,
he is just as good an American as any one else.”
….
The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic.
He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
Who is a Jew?
ReplyDeleteImmigrants from the FSU have also forced Israel to ask difficult “Who is a Jew?” questions.
Under the Law of Return, Israel grants automatic citizenship to anyone who has a Jewish grandparent--even though this includes people who would not be considered Jewish according to the official Israeli rabbinate.
As many as a quarter of those who immigrated to Israel from the FSU under the Law of Return are not considered Jewish by Israel’s Orthodox rabbinate.
This makes it difficult, if not impossible, for many Russian-Israelis to be married or buried in Israel--domains which are exclusively controlled by the rabbinate. Israelis today are debating how to respond to this reality.
Should the Law of Return be amended to allow only those who are considered Jewish by Orthodox Jewish law?
Should these immigrants be encouraged to convert, perhaps by changing the conversion process to make it easier and more inviting?
Or perhaps identifying as Jewish, having Jewish ancestry, living in Israel, and serving in the Israeli army should be enough to be part of the Jewish people, without converting?
These questions and others continue to divide Israeli society.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/israel/Contemporary_Life/Society_and_Religious_Issues/Russians_in_Israel.shtml
;-)
How does a person "Convert" to a race?
DeleteThey can "Join" a tribe.
But a race, isn't that a genetic predisposition?
Or are the Zionists up there on the wall, with Humpty Dumpty ..
"‘When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.'
‘The question is,' said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things."
‘The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master—that's all.'"
- Lewis Carroll
Well Bob it doesn't look like she came back for you. Nope, as with all narcissists it is all about her. Found this at Belmont:
ReplyDeleteThere once was a young lady, Teresita
Whose writings could hardly have been neater
But one day in a snit
She said "That is it!"
And now we are left with Linuxgal
Well, at least Robert "Bob" Peterson can get married, now.
DeleteWASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday allowed gay marriage in Idaho to go into effect by lifting a temporary hold imposed earlier in the week.
BWABWABWABWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteLookie here, folks.......
Jack HawkinsFri Oct 10, 05:37:00 PM EDT
"Our allegiance must be purely to the United States.
We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
“But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic,
he is just as good an American as any one else.”
….
The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic.
He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
......................
Crapper is back in his quote Teddy phase.
Why, just a couple day ago crapper was quoting Schopenhauer to exactly the opposite point of view.
BWABWABWABWABWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"You are bat shit crazy, rat"
Quick Quirk Quote
Who among us can disagree?
No one, really.
You want to speak poorly of Mr Roosevelt ...
DeleteYou may.
Robert "Bob" Peterson - Draft Dodger
Never saw a foreign war he did not want another American to go fight for him.
Ash, she came back, and that's all I asked for, or ever wanted.
ReplyDeleteRejoice, she is here.
Has anyone ever created a better late afternoon soup than lentils, with onions, carrots, green beans and sausage mixed in?
ReplyDeleteI don't think so.
My wife creates a true masterpiece every once in a while.
Yummy.
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DeleteKeep lentils away from The Crapper, though.
ReplyDeleteThey make you fart like a pack mule, and he passes way too much gas as it is.
Just look upstream there......
Nothing but crapper gas.
He has, evidently, jettisoned Schopenhauer for the more easily understood Teddy R.
Delete(thinking is really really hard for the rat)
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DeleteYou can finally get that 'marriage' legalized.
DeleteJack HawkinsFri Oct 10, 10:27:00 AM EDT
DeleteAd hominem arguments are a preferred tool for people who ran out of real arguments
(or are unable to understand someone else's opinion in the first place).
It's so much easier to just attack another person instead of attacking his arguments
(especially if the other person is right.)
Poor crapper, poor poor crapper..............
ReplyDeleteHe is really sputtering now.
Quirk, get that rat free blog up and running ASAP.
So the civilized can continue discussing issues in a manner befitting human minds.
Gardner continues to inch ahead in Colorado Senate race -
ReplyDeletePoll Date Sample MoE Gardner (R) Udall (D) Spread
RCP Average 9/13 - 10/7 -- -- 44.8 43.5 Gardner +1.3
FOX News 10/4 - 10/7 739 LV 3.5 43 37 Gardner +6
CBS News/NYT/YouGov 9/20 - 10/1 1634 LV 3.0 45 48 Udall +3
Rasmussen Reports 9/29 - 9/30 950 LV 3.0 48 47 Gardner +1
USA Today/Suffolk* 9/13 - 9/16 500 LV 4.4 43 42 Gardner +1
An example of a person losing his mind:
ReplyDeleteJack HawkinsFri Oct 10, 06:44:00 PM EDT
Why would Robert want to be called "Bob" ...
acronym for "bend over buddy."
acronym of "Battery Operated Boyfriend."
verb - intransitive -
to perform fellatio.
to vomit.
verb - transitive
for a female to use a strap-on dildo to perform anal sex on a male.
An amazing display of someone out of control.
This is a perfect example of why the U.S. needs to stay out of this fight. This war is so tangled.
ReplyDeleteIran supports Assad.
The Israelis are ISIS’ field hospital.
The Turks hate and fear the Kurds and are standing by and waiting for ISIS to do their dirty work for them.
John McCain says he can tell the good guys from the bad guys. He is either crazy or extremely optimistic.
All the lethal arms in the hands of ISIS are of US origin. The Kurds have old Soviet era junk.
Anyone we train will be shooting at us in six months. Anyone we actually end up helping will hate us next year.
The Kurds helped the Turks with the Armenian genocide a century ago, now ISIS wants to do the same to them and the Turks are sitting in their tanks watching. Big surprise.
Pretty close to the view from here.
DeleteAll the lethal arms in the hands of ISIS are of US origin
If origin means 'financed by' ... a lot of the weapons are 'from' Hungary
Anyone we train will be shooting at us in six months
Only if the US is so foolish as to insert troops into the region.
MILITARY ARRIVES IN HOT ZONE...
ReplyDeleteAFRICOM: US Personnel Will Have Direct Contact With Patients........drudge
Sure as I'm sitting here, some of those military people Obama sent to Africa to 'fight Ebola' are going to get infected.
I'm not actually criticizing Obama for his decision, in some ways maybe it may have some merit, but the risks are really great......and those military people aren't exactly trained in disease control.......
October 10, 2014
DeleteDr. Obama tells Africans 'You can't get Ebola sitting next to someone on a bus'
By Thomas Lifson
The president who thinks he is “a better intelligence briefer than my intelligence briefers” evidently also thinks he knows more about the spread of Ebola than the doctors at the CDC. Is there anything that Obama doesn’t know? He tells Africans in a Whitehouse.gov video released Thursday:
“First, Ebola is not spread through the air like the flu,” Obama said in the video released by the White House Thursday. “You cannot get it through casual contact like sitting next to someone one a bus. You cannot get it from another person until they start showing symptoms of the disease, like fever.”
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/10/dr_obama_tells_africans_you_cant_get_ebola_sitting_next_to_someone_on_a_bus.html#ixzz3Fn441VzH
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...and it is not what they signed on for when they enlisted.
DeleteWhat they signed on for ... it certainly is.
DeleteThe military's job is to project the power and authority of the US, as it pursues its ...
"National Interests"
The US troops are being sent to an oil producing region of Africa.
See below @ Fri Oct 10, 08:50:00 PM EDT
DeleteThe strong possibility that the people of the United States are being lied to, a much greater probability than the storyline that US troops are being utilized in a project that ... is not what they signed on for .
DeleteOur Nato ally, the noble Ass Stabbers in Ankara are sitting on their unstabbed asses but our mortal enemy, Hezbollah, is doing the deed and killing the enemies of the US, the Islamic fanatics. Allies come and go. WE need to be pragmatic and get rid of those so-called friends that are supporting ISIS and reorganize and normalize our relationships that support US interests.
ReplyDeleteThe Syrian army has repelled the Takfiri terrorists’ latest attack on the Syrian Lebanese borders, killing many of them, Press TV reports.
The militants in the mountainous al-Qalamoun region have stepped up their attacks to re-enter the countryside of the Syrian capital Damascus.
Qalamoun was for months the scene of relentless fighting between the foreign-backed ISIL terrorists and the Syrian army.
The fighting ended as the Syrian army dominated the area, causing the terrorists to flee to the other side of the border.
In relation to the militants trying to re-enter Damascus through the countryside, a Syrian army officer told the Press TV correspondent, “After careful surveillance, we located a group of terrorists trying to cross from the Lebanese side mountain into Syria. Our units dealt with them with suitable firearms, eliminating several of them.”
On the Syrian side of the mountain, locals have joined forces with the army to protect their villages.
Referring to the militants hiding in the mountains, a villager told the correspondent, “I know the paths they are using very well and I knew where they were coming from. They will try to come down here more now as winter is on their doors and it gets very cold up there.”
Syria has been gripped by deadly violence since 2011. The Western powers and their regional allies - especially Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - are reportedly supporting the militants operating in Syria.
More than 191,000 people have been killed in over three years of turmoil in the war-ravaged country, according to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. The UN office says the figure could probably be an “underestimate of the real total number of people killed.”
SRK/MAM/MHB
from the Washington Poxt:
ReplyDeleteOctober 10 at 6:14 PM
Walter Pincus got it right when he wrote in his Oct. 7 Fine Print column, “From Vietnam to Syria, U.S. can’t solve world’s problems” [The Fed Page], “Americans must realize this is not an old- fashioned fight between forces of freedom and tyranny, good and evil. Obama appears to recognize that there are no good on-the-ground options in Syria for the United States. Staying in the air seems to be the right way to play our limited leadership role.”
The United States can best help fight the Islamic State by using its best leveraged military technology, diplomacy, logistics, aerial capability and intelligence: exactly what President Obama and his national security team are doing.
A key element of any international effort must be Turkey, which seems to be playing a duplicitous game, both saying it will act against the Islamic State and watching the slaughter of the Kurds in Kobane.
The United States, which has acted through airstrikes and is trying to get Turkey to act, is not to blame. Turkey’s idea for some kind of limited “no-fly zone” along the border is desirable and feasible to protect refugees and civilians.
Harry C. Blaney III, Washington
The writer is a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy.
Not quite. The so called “no-fly-zone” is an excuse to give protection to ISIS and the majority of ISIS fighters who have been receiving support from Turkey.
Idaho is on the road against Georgia Southern tomorrow afternoon, Vandal Fans !
ReplyDelete3:00pm Pacific.
I will be broadcasting, as usual.
At this point, every game we lose on the road extends our all time school record........
Will 'Joe Vandal' Quirk be in attendance?
DeleteWe will find out tomorrow..............
Erdogan's Islamic sympathies and his hostility to the Kurds mean ISIS will prosper on the Turkish border regardless of how this conflicts with his desire to toady to the West.
ReplyDeleteIn a recent Washington Post article it was admitted that sixty-nine percent of all the Ebola cases in Liberia registered by WHO have not been laboratory confirmed through blood tests.
ReplyDeleteLiberia is the epicenter of the Ebola alarm in west Africa. More than half of the alleged Ebola deaths, 1,224, and nearly half of all cases, 2,046, have been in Liberia says WHO. And the US FDA diagnostic test used for the lab confirmation of Ebola is so flawed that the FDA has prohibited anyone from claiming they are safe or effective.
That means, a significant proportion of the remaining 31 % of the Ebola cases lab confirmed through blood tests could be false cases.
In short, no one knows what 1,224 Liberians in recent weeks have died from.
The issue of oil in west Africa, notably in the waters of the Gulf of Guinea have become increasingly strategic both to China who is roaming the world in search of future secure oil import sources, and the United States, whose oil geo-politics was summed up in a quip by then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in the 1970’s: ‘If you control the oil, you control entire nations.’
DeleteThe Obama Administration and Pentagon policy has continued that of George W. Bush who in 2008 created the US military Africa Command or AFRICOM, to battle the rapidly-growing Chinese economic presence in Africa’s potential oil-rich countries.
West Africa is a rapidly-emerging oil treasure, barely tapped to date. A US Department of Energy study projected that African oil production would rise 91 percent between 2002 and 2025, much from the region of the present Ebola alarm.
Chinese oil companies are all over Africa and increasingly active in west Africa, especially Angola, Sudan and Guinea, the later in the epicenter of Obama’s new War on Ebola troop deployment.
If the US President were genuine about his concern to contain a public health emergency, he could look at the example of that US-declared pariah Caribbean nation, Cuba. Reuters reports that the Cuban government, a small financially distressed, economically sanctioned island nation of 11 million people, with a national budget of $50 billion, Gross Domestic Product of 121 billion and per capita GDP of just over $10,000, is dispatching 165 medical personnel to Africa to regions where there are Ebola outbreaks.
Washington sends 3,000 combat troops. Something smells very rotten around the entire Ebola scare.
F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas-war-on-ebola-or-war-for-oil-sending-3000-troops-to-african-ebola-areas-that-happen-to-export-oil-to-china/5406142
DeleteThe Legionnaire and I agree with the following 'after action report' concerning Libya.
ReplyDeleteIn 2011 NATO air strikes against Libya that were carried out under the pretext of the urgent need of protecting civilians from a “violent dictator“, cleared the road to power for radical militants. Three years ago, once Muammar Gaddafi had been brutally murdered in October 2011, these militants took over Libya by filling the vacuum created by foreign intervention.
From that moment on the country had been plunged deeper into bloodshed created by the former revolutionaries as they cut each other’s throats in a fight for rich oil-producing regions.
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/08/us-air-raids-the-unlearned-lesson-of-lybia/
The author goes on to say his, about ...
Syria and Iraq will face the same fate that has been plaguing Libya, if Washington and its allies that strike the ISIL positions today “haven’t learnt the lessons of Libya,” said Prof. Mieczyslaw Boduszynski’s, former US diplomat to Libya.
What we tend to disagree about ... what the "Lessons of Libya" are.
What the goal of the United States and the 'Coalition' were and are, across the Islamic Arc.
He tends to argue that the US is attempting to install "Peace and Security" keeping the innocent safe from ...
As Mr Obama and the politicians in DC, London, Paris and Brussels contend.
I would argue the opposite, that the 'Goal' is to destabilize the countries, introduce and/or enhance the internal strife that effects those societies. Legionnaire Q, he listens to the words, the dialog of the Kabuki actors and sees that the actions of the governments do not match the words.
He then declares the operations a 'failure'. But the Coalition moves on, regardless, to the next stage of the campaign.
I look to the words of George Santayana.
To know what people really think, pay regard to what they do, rather than what they say.
What the Coalition is dong, across the Islamic Arc, is implementing the Israeli's "Yinon Plan".
The Legionnaire objects, but never has gotten beyond the ad hominem comedy that is part and parcel of his own peculiar habit.
The people of the United States are being misled, lied to.
Mr Obama and his amigos on both sides of the aisle, and across the pond, they are obtaining their objectives.
Yuri Zinin is a Senior Research Fellow at MGIMO and a columnist for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
DeleteFirst appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/08/us-air-raids-the-unlearned-lesson-of-lybia/
In fact, never has an air or artillery assault in history been observed as this has, observed and recorded. Gaza is a small, walled area, resembling a concentration camp or perhaps a Ghetto reminiscent of areas in Europe intended to restrict housing options for Jews for centuries. Gaza is a Ghetto, a prison, a concentration camp and a nation state, all in one.
ReplyDeleteThus, every shell that landed, every bomb was photographed. Every time a school was hit, a hospital, every time Israel claimed a storage area with tons of munitions, rockets in particular, was hit, it was videoed and shown around the world.
Among those seeing the videos are military and intelligence correspondents, war correspondents with years of experience and experts in explosives and air and artillery operations.
Here is the problem. When a bomb or artillery shell lands on a storage area filled with rockets, something happens. Rockets use propellant. Imagine a conflagration at a factory that manufactures fireworks. Hamas’ rockets are, in a sense, large fireworks, with highly volatile propellants and explosive charges.
When a bomb or artillery shell hits such a facility there are secondary explosions.
Observation of “secondaries” is the basis for after action reports that are used to gage the success of any bombing campaign.
If a bomb hits a facility filled with ammunition, particularly rockets, some explode immediately but more explode seconds and then minutes later.
Some of the rockets ignite, flying into the air, skidding across the ground, with explosions that reveal the type and nature of propellants and explosives used, based on photographic analysis using special filters and broad spectrum sensors known as hyperspectral cameras.
Israel is one of the nations that manufactures some of the world’s finest hyperspectral cameras.
Not one attack on a rocket launching facility, not one bombed school or hospital caused secondary explosions.
After the first attack, if Israel had actually believed weapons were stored or fired from hospitals and schools or tied to a bizarre conspiracy between the United Nations and Hamas, their first after action analysis would have proven otherwise, to them as it had to every other observer.
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/06/gaza-after-action-no-rockets-in-schools/
The Legionnaire has stated publicly that you are bat shit crazy.
DeleteSpeech is action.
Nope, wrong again Draft Dodger Robert "Bob the Knob" Peterson.
DeleteLegionnaire Q is not qualified, not certified. In fact he is just an anonymous contributor.
All any of us are, but you.
That's because you are just plain STUPID
And you can't fix STUPID
Jack HawkinsFri Oct 10, 10:27:00 AM EDT
DeleteAd hominem arguments are a preferred tool for people who ran out of real arguments
(or are unable to understand someone else's opinion in the first place).
"O"rdure, the comments I make, as concern Robert "Bob the Knob" Peterson, his draft dodging, his choice of monikers, all are based upon his comments, all can be quoted.
DeleteThe ad hominem claims you hnd he make, are never referenced, never quoted, because they a pure fabrications.
Fabrications made by untrustworthy people, based upon their own comments.
Like you, unable to get a refi loan. Now there are lots of folk that are not qualified for financial trust, you are one of those.
Worse, you then blame the "system" rather than taking personal responsibility.
Great quote, really.
It illustrates, fully, that you are considered untrustworthy by those with access to your file, your resume tax returns and financial statements..
;-)
The ad hominem claims you and he make, are never referenced, never quoted, because they are pure fabrications.
DeleteIt illustrates, fully, that you are considered untrustworthy by those with access to your file, your resume, tax returns and financial statements.
DeleteForgot that comma
Your grasp of issues proves that you should stick with horse shit shoveling.
DeleteYou lack reading comprehension.
But no use in explaining anything to you, you are a nitwit.
You are the one that have told us you cannot travel as you are on a "no fly" list. You are the one that told us that you only squat on the acres you live on and do not "own it".
After you career as a murderer for hire you now shovel shit for a living.
How sad.
All the lethal arms in the hands of ISIS are of US origin.
ReplyDeleteWhat's a non-lethal arm? A whip? A nerf ball?
arms
Deleteärmz/
noun
plural noun: arms
1. weapons and ammunition; armaments.
"they were subjugated by force of arms"
synonyms: weapons, weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, artillery, armaments, munitions, matériel
"the illegal export of arms"
Established in 1996, the Joint Non-lethal Weapons Program is supposed to be the U.S. military’s central clearinghouse for researching, developing, testing, and training troops on these less-than-lethal arms. It’s also responsible for policies and procedures for how and when to use the weapons — while coordinating “requirements” for what the Army, Navy and Air Force might need in the future. According to the GAO, failed in just about all of these efforts.
DeleteTake R&D, for instance. “The Joint Non-lethal Weapons Program has conducted more than 50 research and development efforts and spent at least $386 million since 1997, but it has not developed any new weapons,”
The program did manage to field four items during the last dozen years:
Deletea 40 mm non-lethal crowd dispersal cartridge (a giant shotgun shell firing 48 rubber balls each of .48 caliber),
the modular crowd control munition (a claymore mine firing 600 rubber balls),
the portable vehicle arresting barrier ( a net device for catching vehicles which at a mere 645 pounds offers a new definition of ‘portable’) and
the spiky Vehicle Lightweight Arresting Device,which is at least a bit more mobile (25 to 50 pounds depending on what you’re catching)
If Bobbo thinks all the good stuff is over in Idaho he's sadly mistaken:
ReplyDeletehttp://badinage1.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/teresita-view.jpg
Where is that, Miss T?
DeleteI bought a trail cam today. Takes video too, and at night.
My lawyer's secretary is going to put it up out at the farm. She lives out that way. 60 elk she counted recently.
These days -
Elk = Wolves
We are hoping to get some action shots.
I am driving down to Moscow to give it to her later this weekend.
Monday is Indigenous People's Day or something, isn't it?
Native Americans are no longer Native Americans.
They are back to being American Indians, like they always was.
It is hard for us old guys to keep up, to keep PC.
But we try, at least sometimes......
DeleteI am hoping for a Solutrean Day before I die.
DeleteWe was here first.
Then we got wiped out by the johnny come lately Indigenous Peoples.
DeleteAnd that's the way it was until Columbus washed up on the shores.
There was also an early group of peoples called the Q Peoples.
DeleteLittle is known about this odd and mysterious group, but they seem to have lived out there on the fringes of society, are said to have been related to Trickster Coyote, and were always stealing shit.
That is exit 27 on I-90, hang a right, drive to the end of the road, elevation 1060 feet, city of Snoqualmie park.
Deletecity of Snoqualmie park, unincorporated
DeleteUnincorporated, the best kind of city.
Once a week I and the other person who lives in this house go somewhere, take pictures. Last time it was here:
Deletehttp://badinage1.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/teresita-beach.jpg
I have tons of good pictures now but don't know how to put them up like you do.
Delete:(
Lots of Lake Pend Oreille, and there abouts.
Create a blog on Wordpress, that's how I do it.
DeleteYou simply do not know what you are asking.
DeleteI am computer illiterate, and proud of it.
I may give it a try, though.
Ever wanted to make a black hole?
ReplyDeleteHere's how -
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/science/space/how-to-make-a-black-hole.html?smid=tw-nytimes
One need only compare the vision of John Quincy Adams in his July 4, 1821 speech as Secretary of State to see that the neoconservative claims are a big lie.
ReplyDelete“She [America] has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.
“She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.
“Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.
“But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
“She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
“She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
“She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.
“She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.
“The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force….
“She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit….
“[America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.”
If Adams accurately presents the American vision, and it surely does, then it cannot be denied that the neoconservative vision is completely antithetical to that genuine American vision. Consequently, the neoconservatives are as anti-American as any group could be.