“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Sunday, October 19, 2014

Senator David Norris’ Blistering Attack on Israel “No one believes Israel anymore.”

The case for recognising Palestine as a state - Ireland should follow Sweden

IRISH TIMES - Oct 16, 2014
But the mood music represents a significant racheting up of diplomatic pressure onIsrael, a sign of increasing exasperation in EU capitals at its perceived failure to engage in dialogue and particularly its continuing expansion of settlements – in recent weeks, the seizure of 1,000 acres of land near Bethlehem and plans to build 2,600 settler homes near Jerusalem.
That alienation was most strikingly expressed by Tory chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Richard Ottaway, who said he had stood by Israel “through the good years and the bad ... but such is my anger over Israel’s behaviour in recent months that I will not oppose the motion. I have to say to the government of Israel that if they are losing people like me, they will be losing a lot of people.”
Ireland, although among the EU states most supportive of the Palestinians, has traditionally been conservative about wielding the recognition card, whether to bestow or withdraw. In response to Dáil questions this week Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan echoed Fabius in linking recognition to assisting talks.
But perhaps the time has come to go further. The most recent US-mediated talks collapsed in April and Israel, whose diplomats are frantically lobbying against recognition, needs to be told that it can not hold the issue hostage while continuing to prevaricate on engaging in meaningful dialogue. Recognition would not do anything to copperfasten Palestinian sovereignty, but it would send an important message to Israel that there will be a diplomatic price to pay. Ireland should join Sweden in doing so.

Will Ireland Recognize Palestine?

Printer Friend
By Juan Cole
After Sweden recognized Palestine, the Irish government began considering doing so. On Thursday, the Irish parliament asked Irish Foreign Minister, Eamon Gilmore, questions regarding this plan.
Gilmore affirmed that the Irish government is planning at some point in the near future to move ahead with recognition.
A few European Union member states had recognized Palestine before joining the EU, such as Poland. Only Sweden has done so after joining the EU, with Iceland also recognizing Israel and being part of the Schwengen agreement. The action of Sweden’s leftwing government in this regard may set off an avalanche of similar recognition. The British parliament recently passed a non-binding resolution urging recognition of Palestine. Only 12 MPs voted against it, because even staunch supporters of Israel are exasperated by the boldness of the Likud Party in stealing land, blighting Palestinian lives, and flouting international law.
Ireland is a bellwether for European sentiment. The central narrative of Irish nationalism has been British colonialism and its atrocities in Ireland. After the Holocaust, many Irish intellectuals sympathized with Zionism, seeing it as similar to Irish nationalism.
But with the clearly colonial actions of Israel in the Palestinian West Bank and the brutality of Israeli Occupation of Gaza, Israel looks more and more to the Irish like the British colonialists who sold off Irish-grown food abroad in the midst of the potato famine.
This week the Irish Times urged the government to take the step of recognizing Palestine
Diplomatic recognition matters because it affects public opinion, including that of judges. Israeli firms on the Palestinian West Bank are increasingly in legal jeopardy in European courts.
Related video


    Missile boat crisis ends as Germany gives Israel €300m discount

  2. The Israelis demanded their normal 30% discount and threatened to renege on the original full price deal and leave Germany stuck with the ship. The Israelis threatened to get ships from Korea. The contracted amount was for the full price but instead of the check being in the mail, Israel twisted German arms and demanded their usual discount as Israel does not pay retail.

    It is a normal scam when a manufacturer produces a particular use machine or project and an unscrupulous buyer threatens not to take delivery unless the price is dropped.

    1. The Koreans, among others, have been busy trying to get Israeli business. It seems the Germans were willing to make a deal to prevent the camel getting it nose into the tent. You did not read the article.

      At the moment there is much debate in Israel about whether to continue to place Israeli security needs in the hands of fickle "allies" or to build its own ship yards. American companies in particular are very much against the idea of the latter. I support a domestic Israeli arms industry to the maximum degree possible. Given Israeli technological superiority in many areas, the investment could be recouped in time and the sales could open other doors as well.

    2. Deuce ☂Sun Oct 19, 09:55:00 AM EDT
      The Israelis demanded their normal 30% discount and threatened to renege on the original full price deal and leave Germany stuck with the ship.

      Sounds like a Walmart technic.

  3. My advice would be for the next time demand cash in advance.

    1. Obama cut off all access to US munitions sales 10 days into the recent Gaza dust up. Accordingly Israel is setting up production of any and all munitions that USED to be provided for sale by the USA in Israel.

      This production will of course not be eligible for any USA military aid assistance and will cost Israel more per unit.

      The lesson learned?

      You cannot trust the current administration's word.

      When Israel needed resupply (SALE) of munitions that had been agreed upon, the Obama administration pulled the plug DURING the conflict.

      This is the 3rd time in the history of US/Israel relations that DURING a war the USA has cut off sales of munitions .

    2. Deuce ☂Sun Oct 19, 09:56:00 AM EDT
      My advice would be for the next time demand cash in advance.

      America has gotten cash in advance for weapons sales and still not delivered them. Just ask Iran. :)

  4. The families of dead British soldiers and the families of Irish dead can thank the PLO for the help it gave the IRA in the form of weapons, explosives, and training. By the British making themselves and their allies soft targets, the job was made so much easier.
    PLO - IRA - One Struggle

    1. They can also thank the American financiers from Boston and New York City who contributed a lot more than the PLO. The PLO had weapons to sell probably at a 30% premium, and was happy to take US money from the IRA supporters in the US.

    2. True more money came from the Irish in the USA, but the PLO supplied the teachers of death.

  5. At least the Germans got 70%. That is a hell of a lot better than what the US gets shaken down for.

  6. The discount was not a shakedown; it has been standard German practice for decades. To some degree it has to do with that nasty business in the 1940's.

    1. I am surprised you did not know this. Perhaps you were just venting.

  7. Ireland recognizing Palestine carries the same import as the Seattle city council changing Columbus Day to Indigenous LGBTQ Day or some shit.

    1. Israel has a population of 8 million, Ireland 6 million. Ireland has a long history of being colonized by the British and a long period of internal strife over the colonization. 11% of the US population has some Irish roots. That is over 34 million people, 7 times larger than in Ireland. The British House of commons passed an overwhelmingly supportive vote for the Palestinians. It is a trend. Israel would be wise to pay attention, but they won’t.

    2. The optics are good for the Palestinians and far less so for Israel.

    3. Optics?

      In the end, there is no "Palestine".

      There is no unified government.

      There is no control on borders, currency, taxation and other things that define a nation.

      Palestine is a dream, myth (or nightmare) but it is not reality.

      All of the UN and nations in the world pronouncing will not make it a reality.

      This what, the 4th time in 30 years they have declared themselves a state?

    4. They're waiting for someone to come in and build it for them.

    5. Nonsense, they just want to have Israel quit smashing what they built and respect their freedom to live normal lives. As far as funding;make that argument when Israel gets off the US dole.

    6. Bullshit deuce, you don't spend 1 billion dollars on tunnels GOING INTO ISRAEL and burying 8000 rockets to live in peace and side by side.

      That was OFFENSIVE.

      As for getting off the US dole?

      3 billion a year to purchase US munitions and weapons. It's appreciated. But with all aid there are strings, unless you are the palestinians (there are no strings), Israel must spend 75 % in the USA and if the USA wants to BUY IN (iron dome) the USA will make you an offer you cannot refuse.

      If the USA didn't support, aid, fund, train and supply weapons to wonderful folks like the Palestinians, the Saudis then no aid would be needed.

      It's the arming of the arabs (60 billion in 2012 in advanced weapon sales to arabia) then Israel would not NEED to keep ahead.

      America is great at creating an arms race and selling both sides......

      Palestinians could have had a state numerous times and turned it down.

      If the Palestinians didn't start the Gaza war this summer? Nothing would have been smashed.

      Hamas fired salvo after salvo of rockets, Israel accepted repeated ceasefires by Egypt and Hamas refused to stop.

      Hamas started the war they had prepared for, sorry if they got their asses handed to them. (again)

      Hamas if given the chance would murder all of their brothers "FATAH" as they murdered those they could get their hands on back in 2008. Remember the flying Fatah? Fatah members tossed off of rooftops by Hamas?

      A day that will live on as the 1st and only day of the Palestinian Airforce...

      plop... squash... smack...

  8. As you know, the German government once expropriated from Jewish owners commercial, land, and residential real estate, factories, industrial plants, mines, art, antiquities, precious metals, etc. These assets are worth trillions, today.

    The Germans have never denied the facts, while failing to make good the losses through the German court system. To make a claim for restoration or reparation the plaintiff must pass through three levels of courts, which takes decades. The original plaintiffs have had the bad luck of being mortal; they die before the process reaches a conclusion. This means that heirs and estates must begin the process from scratch. Consequently, the Germans have been little burdened financially.

    In the big picture that is reality rather than propaganda, discounts measured in hundreds of millions pale by comparison to what is owed.

    1. The largest department store chain in Germany and parts of France was once owned by a Jewish family. Given your European contacts, I am sure you know it well.

    2. Call Avraham Stern and he'll get in touch with his NAZI allies, fix it all right up for you, allen

      Zionist collaboration with NAZI

      In January 1941, Stern attempted to make an agreement with the German Nazi authorities, offering to "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" in return for helping Jewish refugees to come to Israel into a Jewish State. Another attempt to contact the Germans was made in late 1941.

      Or, that famous Prime Minister of Israel, another Zionist that proffered an alliance with the NAZI
      t Yitzhak Shamir a Zionist allied with Avraham Stern and the Stern Gang, Shamir would later become the 7th Prime Minister of "Israel":

      Shamir sided with Avraham Stern. In secret contacts with German representatives at Beirut the group offered to open up a military front against the British in the Middle East in return for the expulsion of the Jewish population of Europe to Palestine (Heller, 1995, pp. 85-86).

    3. Allen you cannot "win" an argument with a anti-Semitic, Jew hating, Israel bashing, Zionist trashing, impotent troll of a human that lies, distorts and misleads on every topic and discussion.

      His narcissistic personality disorder is off the charts.

      He finds fulfillment and "victory" in arguing with himself using different avatars.

      He brags about "page views" on his avatars like that confers legitimacy.

      Narcissistic personality disorder coupled with severe depression.

  9. Oh, some of the things that israeli spokesmen say, can be believed, when matched with their behavior.

    Israel prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies

    Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

    “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

    Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.
    “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” Oren said in the interview.

  10. Right on cue old parrot Jack Hawkins cuts and pastes his meaningless drivel.

    You have become a mere shell if what the rat once was. When I went back in the way back machine Desert Rat made some pretty decent arguments and observations. Jack Hawkins mere produces crap. Scroll by material akin to boobies droppings. Sad but true.

    1. rat is dead, at least retired, Ash.

      Did you not get the memo.

    2. “Sometimes you can see things happen right in front of your eyes and still jump to the wrong conclusions.”
      ― Jodi Picoult

    3. That is too bad because you don't even come close to measuring up to him.Honestly, your name indicates, like Bob's, scroll by material.

    4. When and if desert rat posts, it'll have the desert rat avatar and moniker.
      It will be attached to the desert rat Google account.

      But, Ash, you do prove a point.

      "Stories happen in the mind of a reader, not among symbols printed on a page.”
      ― Brandon Mull

    5. The Northern Rangers of Canada are finally ditching their hunnert-year old Enfield .303 rifles.

    6. It is not just "Facebook" that studies emotional reactions of the participants on social media.


    7. That's to bad, for those Rangers, Ms T. The Enfield is a great rifle.
      For a often as the Northern Rangers fire them in the line of duty, there is no reason to replace it.

    8. For as often as the Northern Rangers fire them in the line of duty, there is no reason to replace it.

    9. Still can't remember what unit you served in?

  11. That little gal that caught the infection, first, is hitting the critical stage about now. I hope she makes it.

    Meanwhile, it looks like that family that the victim was staying with is out of the woods. Good for them.

    1. The health care worker who was being monitored for signs of Ebola aboard a Carnival Cruise Lines ship passed a blood test and was allowed to leave with other passengers when the ship docked Sunday in Texas, health officials said.

    2. Ebola cruise ship 'in utter panic' as Mexico and Belize refuse to let it dock - The Independent

      Fear mongering for the political effect.

    3. :) I bet some of the passengers would like to give him an ebola boot up his ass.

    4. Washington Post -

      The fear of Ebola has spread faster in America than the virus itself.
      Ebola has infected the American psyche, forcing us to do risk analysis of a pathogen we know little about.


    5. “Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”

    6. You know, there could be a positive effect of the fear mongering. I doubt that the next American hospital to receive an ebola patient will screw up as badly as did the bunch of assclowns in Dallas.

    7. And, the CDC is receiving a well-deserved kick in the ass.

    8. The Federals reacted with their usual incompetency, true enough.

      The hospital tossing out the first victim, for a lack of health insurance ...
      That is a sad, sad commentary on the state of 'Health Care' in the US.

    9. The hospitals in the states that refused the free Medicaid money are struggling, to say the least.

      To refuse $Billions for your hospitals is a sad commentary on the State of Right Wing Politics in this country.

  12. One has to wonder ...
    Why won't the contributors let go of the 'desert rat' ?

    What is the source of their emotional tie to that character, such that they refuse to acknowledge he is gone?

    1. Jack Hawkins gets a lot more page views, pushing 243,000 on his Google account, in just six months.
      desert rat, he went into retirement with 17,000 page views.

      Interesting study of human behavior.

    2. I have not checked, lately, but "O"rdure had about 100 page views at his account.
      Never did check allen's, but then he thought that the idea of readership was just delusional.
      So I doubt that he has many, readers.

      He does not respect them.

      The 243,000 page views, well it proves that not everyone is as discriminating as our Ash.

    3. Ash, now he is really for the discriminating reader, 444 of them have cared enough to check out his profile.


    4. “Don't hate the media; become the media.”

    5. Beginner’s Guide: Start a blog, get 100,000 page views and make over $100 your first month

    6. Well, "O"rdure, it has not worked for you.
      So I probably will not start a blog.

      There is no advertising on any of the platforms I utilize and there is not going to be any ...
      I just want readers - it's why I give the content away.

    7. allen thinks it is delusional, the idea that there even are readers.

      Which makes his presence here, even more bizarre.

    8. You have started blogs and they have failed.

      They all suck.


      A failure at that as well.

    9. They each accomplished what they were designed to do, "O"rdure.
      The Rat's blog, there never was a need for, once we scuttled the "Travel Guide" project.
      The 2008 economic crash put a damper on international travel.

      The Border War blog, fires on all eight, the story is doing well.
      Considering it was the first attempt at a full blown novel.
      The third story is well underway, and the screenplay is almost finished.

      It's one reason I was over in California, the LA Equestrian Center is in Burbank, don't you know.
      Stallone keeps some of his horses there.
      He and his brother both play polo, their father was a pro, in both New York and Florida.

      Fun stuff.

    10. delusional til the end...

      Schwarzenegger, Stallone Sign Pro-Israel Letter

      Almost 200 Hollywood executives, actors, call to 'stand firm against ideologies of hatred and genocide' in Hamas's charter.

      Nearly 200 Hollywood actors and executives, including Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger, have signed Creative Community for Peace's pro-Israel, anti-Hamas open letter.

      “We, the undersigned, are saddened by the devastating loss of life endured by Israelis and Palestinians in Gaza,” the missive states. “We are pained by the suffering on both sides of the conflict and hope for a solution that brings peace to the region.

      “While we stand firm in our commitment to peace and justice, we must also stand firm against ideologies of hatred and genocide which are reflected in Hamas’ charter, Article 7 of which reads, 'There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!' The son of a Hamas founder has also commented about the true nature of Hamas.

      “Hamas cannot be allowed to rain rockets on Israeli cities, nor can it be allowed to hold its own people hostage. Hospitals are for healing, not for hiding weapons. Schools are for learning, not for launching missiles. Children are our hope, not our human shields.

      “We join together in support of the democratic values we all cherish and in the hope that the healing and transformative power of the arts can be used to build bridges of peace.”

      Thanks for the heads up, Monday I will contact his agent and warn him of you....

  13. The Palestinian Liberation Organization called for a comprehensive strategy against Islamic extremism on Saturday - by blaming Israel for rising radicalization a la' the remarks of US Secretary of State John Kerry.

    Kerry insisted on Friday that the failure of peace talks between Israel and the PA - not Western apathy to Islamism nor the US's failures to resolve tensions in Iraq - was the culprit for the rise of the Islamic State (ISIS) group, sparking outrage from Israeli officials.

    "There wasn't a leader I met... who didn't raise with me spontaneously the need to try to get peace between Israel and the Palestinians, because it was a cause of recruitment and of street anger and agitation," Kerry claimed, blaming Israel for "humiliating" - in his words - Palestinian Arabs.

    PLO secretary general Yasser Abed Rabbo agreed to the claim, telling AFP that "linking the fight against terrorism and the end of the Israeli occupation is a strategic position that we support."

    The PLO is "ready to work hard with the American administration and all regional leaders to develop mechanisms to implement different levels of the strategic direction announced by Kerry," he said, without elaborating.


    1. Israel - Founded by Terrorists and Sustained by Terrorism and now ... Allied with Islamic Terrorists

      In broad daylight, a Saudi-Israeli alliance

      Saudi Israeli alliance forged in blood

      Understanding the Israeli-Egyptian-Saudi alliance

    2. On October 20, 2010, U.S. State Department notified Congress of its intention to make the biggest arms sale in American history - an estimated $60.5 billion purchase by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The package represents a considerable improvement in the offensive capability of the Saudi armed forces.[20]

      The U.S. was keen to point out that the arms transfer would increase "interoperability" with U.S. forces. In the 1990–1991 Gulf War, having U.S.-trained Saudi forces, along with military installations built to U.S. specifications, allowed the American armed forces to deploy in a comfortable and familiar battle environment. This new deal would increase these capabilities, as an advanced American military infrastructure is about to be built.[21]

  14. Same boring and disgusting monotheme here as always today.

    Dem dammed Jews.....

    I used to think that - trying to think from a female point of view - I used to think that Deuce would be one hell of an interesting man to date.

    Now, Good God, after month after month of this non sense, I'm definitely not so sure..........

    The conversation, the conversation.......

    Beautiful fall day here.

    Yesterday was about as perfect as it gets........

    1. Nothing about Jews in any post written, prior to yours, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.

    2. Anti-Semitism Vs Anti-Zionism -
      A Practical Manual
      By Uri Avnery

      A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his friend. "Why do you look so happy?" he asks. "I heard that the Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today," his friend replies.

      The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. "The Israelis downed another eight MiGs," he announces.

      On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. "What happened? Didn't the Israelis down any MiGs today?" the man asks. "They did," the friend answers, "But today someone told me that the Israelis are Jews!"

      This is the whole story in a nutshell.

    3. The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor. Because they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist regime. Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western culture with the "Christian morality of compassion". Because they have no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.

      That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu. His or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are
      unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or gender, they will be hated.

      The answers to all questions relating to anti Semitism follow from this basic fact. For example:

      Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?

      Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics of Israel's actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti- Semites is wrong and counter productive, it damages the fight against anti-Semitism.

    4. Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our behavior in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of anti-Semitism.

      Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti Semite?

      Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti- Capitalist without being anti American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be "anti-Zionists". They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

      Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?

      Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites, promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II, the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews, according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be exterminated.

    5. Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?

      That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about the Jews.

      If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?

      Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a "nation of victims". Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday's victims are today's victimizers. A higher moral standard is required from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.

    6. Bilateral relations between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States of America began in 1933 when full diplomatic relations were established. Despite the differences between the two countries—a ultraconservative Islamic absolute monarchy, and a secular, democratic republic—the two countries have been allies. Saudi Arabia considers the United States to be one of its closest allies and diplomatic partners.[1] In recent years, the two countries have occasionally been described as having a Special Relationship with one another. U.S. presidents, George W. Bush and current president, Barack Obama have strong and close relations with senior members of the Saudi Royal Family.

      Since World War II, the two countries have been allied in opposition to Communism, in support of stable oil prices, stability in the oil fields and oil shipping of the Persian Gulf, and stability in the economies of Western countries where Saudi's have invested. In particular the two countries were allies against the Soviets in the Afghanistan and in the expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait in 1991. The two countries have been in opposition over the state of Israel, the embargo of US and its allies by Saudi Arabia and other Middle East oil exporters during the 1973 oil crisis which raised oil prices considerably, the 2003 invasion of Iraq by the US which Saudi Arabia opposed, aspects of the "War on Terror", and what many in the US see as pernicious influence of Saudi Arabia after the September 11 attacks.

    7. On October 20, 2010, U.S. State Department notified Congress of its intention to make the biggest arms sale in American history - an estimated $60.5 billion purchase by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The package represents a considerable improvement in the offensive capability of the Saudi armed forces.[20]

      The U.S. was keen to point out that the arms transfer would increase "interoperability" with U.S. forces. In the 1990–1991 Gulf War, having U.S.-trained Saudi forces, along with military installations built to U.S. specifications, allowed the American armed forces to deploy in a comfortable and familiar battle environment. This new deal would increase these capabilities, as an advanced American military infrastructure is about to be built.[21]

    8. Still, despite the excessive verbiage by "O"rdure. there had not been a single post mentioning "Jews" prior to Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson's.

      That fact stands, undisputed.

    9. There is no fact in your shriveled mind that is not twistable.

  15. Latest polls from North Carolina Senate race show a very slight lead for Hagan.

    It might go Republican.

  16. The optics are changing, despite Sweden, England and selected others rantings.

    Islam is bursting out as the Islamists they are...

    The Palestinians? Have jumped the shark.

    The arab world has collectively moved on (with small exceptions). Egypt, the world largest arab nation, is FED UP with the Palestinians.

    Islam is now kicking the weak Euro's in the ass with fear and the reaction is appeasement and Israel bashing.

    Meanwhile, the smoke is clearing and tens of millions of arabs are now REAL refugees and the last thing they give a shit about is Gaza being rebuilt for the nth time in a decade when their people are living in HELL in real refugee camps in syria, lebanon, jordan, turkey and iraq.

    The Palestinian national movement is dead.

    All that remains are dictators with hands in the pockets of the UN, selected arab sheiks and pussified Europeans

  17. Nice cartoon of Obozo included -

    CDC’s Bold New Guidelines Tell Nurses Treating Ebola to Cover Exposed Skin
    October 19, 2014 by Daniel Greenfield

    Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


    If only it wasn’t for the Republican budget cuts, the CDC could have told nurses to cover all exposed skin months ago. Also they wouldn’t have put a care worker showing symptoms on a plane.

    Revised guidance for health care workers treating Ebola patients will include using protective gear “with no skin showing,” a top federal health official said Sunday.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said those caring for an Ebola patient in Dallas were left vulnerable because some of their skin was exposed.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is working on revisions to safety protocols.

    What exactly needed revising? Is this some new brilliant medical discovery or is the CDC just completely incompetent? Considering the events of the past month, all signs point to complete incompetence.

    If we get an Ebola outbreak in this country, then the CDC may finally revise its guidelines to enable a travel ban on Ebolaites entering the US.

    Now we have Joe Biden’s Chief of Staff playing Ebola Czar despite a complete lack of medical experience while our first line of defense at the airport is a questionnaire.

    Maybe now that Joe Biden’s son got booted for cocaine use, we can plug him in as the new Ebola Czar.

    Meanwhile the CDC has to keep sending mixed messages, assuring the public that there’s no need for a travel ban because you can’t catch Ebola from anything except having Ebola tainted blood injected into your veins while telling care workers that they have to be careful because, shockingly enough, Ebola is highly infectious.

    This is what happens when politics trumps science and medicine.


    I put this up for Rufus, who has, of course, blamed the Republicans and their "budget cuts" for the outbreak of Ebola around the world.

    Putting things in perspective, we must remember it was Rufus who has recommended from the git-go that travelers to the USA be quarantined before being allowed to travel here, an excellent idea.

    1. "I put this up for Rufus, who has, of course, blamed the Republicans and their "budget cuts" for the outbreak of Ebola around the world."

      This is a fucking Lie. I did no such thing.

      Fucking Demented Moron.

    2. Maybe 'around the world' goes a bit too far, but you were definitely bitching about 'Republican budget cuts' and the unpreparedness of hospitals to properly treat patients.

      Which is total bullshit.

      A protocol of treatment had not even been established.

      Mythical 'Republican budget cuts' had zero to do with it.

      You Rucking Fucking Demented Moron.


      It's too nice a day to get pissed off about much of anything.

      Besides I just got a wonderful letter from my Niece.

    3. You're still lying, you fucking asshole. I said Nothing about Republican budget cuts. You read it somewhere else, and attributed it to me.

      Quit it, asshole.

    4. Perry Praises Texas' Readiness to Battle Ebola - Date: October 1, 2014

      Texas Gov. Rick Perry spoke from Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas Wednesday saying few places were better equipped than Texas to deal with an Ebola diagnosis.

      Video of Mr Perry making the statement

    5. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, "O"rdure and now the Legionnaire Q, they just make things up, Rufus.
      Then they attribute their fictions to whomever they want to demonize.

      It is a humorous display of narcissistic hubris, on their parts.

  18. .

    Ash: You have become a mere shell if (sic)what the rat once was.

    rat: Thinking is hard.


    1. Time stamp that for us, will you please, Legionnaire.

      Figure you are still wrestling with the bear, aye.

    2. The task you set for yourself has proven itself to be a "Mission Impossible", has it not Legionnaire Q.

    3. So, you have joined with "O"rdure and Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson in creating full blown fabrications.
      They are quaint, your quirks.

    4. Ash, that is a ridiculous statement.

      desert rat has been an asshole all the way through.

      He is even proud of it.

      "I am a professional asshole." --desert rat

      It makes him feel alive to draw attention to himself any way he can do so.

      Bowling is really boring.

    5. .

      Time stamp that for us, will you please, Legionnaire.

      Figure you are still wrestling with the bear, aye.

      Examples are there, rat, yet you refuse to read them.

      You have been given your assignment. Go back and read the initial post which you indicate you haven't done. When you are done with that assignment, come back and we will test you. When we are satisfied you have done the assignment like a good little boy, we may feed you more examples. You can't have dessert until you have read your vegetables.

      Now, skidaddle.


    6. Not me, Legionnaire, you chose the assignment and now have failed to perform in a timely manner.

      Resorting to pure fabrications to make your case, a case which you cannot make factually.

    7. .

      You are right, rat, I chose the assignment.

      You are the one who is politicking for more examples of your inconsistency and your lying, yet, like a small child you stubbornly refuse to read the first post where there are plenty of examples.

      We must, therefore, treat you like a small child. You must be a good boy and go back and read that first post. When you can prove you can act like a good boy perhaps you can be rewarded with a second helping. Not until then.

      You shuffle off now and do your assignment.


  19. Every article on this blog is deliberately calibrated to get a response from Allen and WiO. Just don't give that right back to Deuce, though, he's got the powah.

    1. Start your own blog, Ms T.
      Then you would have the authority that riles you so, in the hands of others.

    2. I consider the exercise of that authority, in the way that I have experienced, to be a cowardly act, the online equivalent of firing on troops from inside a mosque or from behind a woman.

    3. Save your vacuous conflicted personal kaleidoscope for your therapist.

    4. Careful deuce, she might get pissed off and never grace us with a post from her..... Again.

  20. On things middle eastern and Jewish, this blog stinks to high heaven.

    1. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson again attempts to conflate Israel and Judaism.
      In the continued attempt to propagate the Zionist propaganda, which has run its course.

      Robert and Joe Biden, peas in a pod.

    2. On many other subjects it can rise to greatness.

  21. This comment has been removed by the author.

    1. No, he does not know either my name or address, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.
      That is just another of the many lies he has told...

      If he does, he is welcome to post either.
      But he does not, so he cannot.

    2. You put it up first, dumbass.

    3. Unlike you, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, I have never used my 'real' name on the world wide web.
      It leads to things like identity theft and such ...

    4. .

      Or, some asshole using it all the time.


  22. WiO knows desert rat's name and address.

    He does not put up desert rat's name and address.

    Our self declared 'professional asshole' has put up both my name, continually, and my old address.

    Deuce should ban him for this.

    It is the difference between WiO, and desert rat.

    WiO is a civilized man.

    desert rat is a 'skunk'.

    Simple as that.

    Rufus knows my name. He doesn't put it up.

    I know Ruf's name. I don't put it up.

    Quirk knows my name. He doesn't put it up.

    Only desert rat violates widely accepted blogging rules, and is allowed to get away with it.

    1. Robert PetersonSun Jul 13, 02:44:00 PM EDT

    2. Bob Oreille and Robert Peterson utilize the same Google account.
      They are one and the same.
      He chose which name to publish.

    3. I choose to use the original posting, to maintain continuity.

    4. As for what the "desert rat" may or may not have done ...

      Well, "Draft Dodger", he no longer posts.

    5. Not often, anyway.
      So why you keep holding on to him ...

      An interesting study, no doubt.

    6. Jack lists him on his "blog"

      desert rat

      My blogs

      Border War
      Desert Rat Adventures
      About me

      Gender Male
      Industry Internet
      Location Afghanistan

      Yep a spit personality, a narcissistic anti-semite, just a failure of a man....

    7. This comment has been removed by the author.

    8. Yep, desert rat has contributed to the Border Wars blog.
      I don't think he has updated the profile, lately, though.
      Doubt that he is still in Afghanistan.

      What is really funny, poor "O"rdure is chasing around the world wide web, trying to defame a character, or a person, that he describes as a ...
      "...failure ... "

      Which makes "O"rdure a ...
      ... to be spending his life in pursuit of a rat.

    9. The great desert rat hunt ...

      Kind of like Melville's classic Moby Dick, but not.

      'I know not all that may be coming, but be it what it will, I'll go to it laughing.'

    10. .

      Kind of like Melville's classic Moby Dick, but not.

      Moby Dick? My, my, a fluke, the rat finally got something right. However, there is no 'rat hunt'. We see you breaching here daily, rising to the surface followed by the same tired quotes, the same truncated and out of context remarks, the same tortured efforts to link every subject to the Jews and Israel. There is no mistaking you despite your varied aliases. We do not have to look for you. You are always there. We merely hold on waiting for your fluke to disappear below the surface again and grant us the blessed relief that is spoiled only by the malodorous redolence of the literal ambergris left in your wake .



    11. If you post your own name and your address, you cannot expect me to enforce privacy compromised by your own writings.

  23. .

    As for what the "desert rat" may or may not have done ...

    Well, "Draft Dodger", he no longer posts

    As for that, rat,

    I choose to use the original posting, to maintain continuity.


    1. Check the account numbers, Legionnaire Q.
      They are not the same, so there is no continuity 'tween the desert rat and any other character on the blog.

      That is not the case with Robert Peterson and Bob Oreille.
      So go to whatever character you wish, and backtrack ...
      Each stands alone.

    2. Either do that backtracking in your attempt to uncover the legion of lies that you have accused Jack Hawkins of, but have failed to provide timestamped references for.

      Get on it, while you can, Legionnaire Q.

    3. Or as a separate project.

      Matters not to me.

    4. I do agree with your first pronouncement, though, it'll be a bear to edit.
      There just is no content to use.

    5. .

      Check the account numbers, Legionnaire Q.

      You silly little man. This is a blog not a bank.

      You just become curiouser and curiouser as your pathologies progress.


    6. It is a bank, Legionnaire, a data bank.
      It is all about information.

      The numbers tell the tale.

    7. .

      Nonsense, rat. You don't offer information. You merely offer us a continuous loop of tired quotes and bigotry.


  24. I pulled posts on comments that attempted to disclose identities. Bob outed himself on several occasions. I do not have the time or inclination to protect bloggers from themselves.

    1. Correction.

      I made a mistake with my last name, ONE TIME.

      You don't like me and the feeling is reciprocated.

  25. Once again the title of the thread is misleading.

    Senator David Norris’ Blistering Attack on Israel “No one believes Israel anymore.”

    ONE: Senator? Not of the United States.

    TWO: "“No one believes Israel anymore." No one? Wow, now that's a broad statement. And easy to prove false. I believe Israel. there you go, his statement is a lie.


    1. "David Norris (politician)

      Senator, Incumbent, Assumed office, 25 April 1987
      Constituency University of Dublin
      Personal details
      Born 31 July 1944 (age 70)
      Léopoldville, Belgian Congo
      (now Kinshasa, DR Congo)
      Political party Independent
      Alma mater Trinity College, Dublin
      Religion Church of Ireland
      David Patrick Bernard Norris (born 31 July 1944)[1] is an Irish scholar, independent Senator, and gay and civil rights activist. Internationally, Norris is credited with having "managed, almost single-handedly, to overthrow the anti-homosexuality law which brought about the downfall of Oscar Wilde", a feat he achieved in 1988 after a fourteen-year campaign.[5] He has also been credited with being "almost single-handedly responsible for rehabilitating James Joyce in once disapproving Irish eyes".[6]

      Norris is a former university lecturer and a member of the Oireachtas, serving in Seanad Éireann since 1987.[7] He was the first openly gay person to be elected to public office in Ireland.[8] Founder of the Campaign for Homosexual Law Reform, he is also a prominent member of the Church of Ireland.

      He was a candidate for President of Ireland in the October 2011 election. He topped numerous opinion polls and was favourite among members of the Irish public for the position but withdrew from the race months before the election,before returning to the race in September 2011.

      So he's a advocate of gay rights. Born in Occupied Congo. And has issues with Israel.


      So focused on "gay" rights but could not give a shit about 1/2 of Irelands population WOMEN

      A pregnant, suicidal rape victim fought Ireland's new abortion law. The law won

      here is one thing that suicidal rape victims need: immediate assistance. But for one young woman in Ireland who was pregnant and seeking an abortion after reportedly being attacked, the only thing her government offered was the slow, bureaucratic violation of her humanity.

      The unnamed woman, now 18, was reportedly raped as a minor and sought an abortion just eight weeks into her pregnancy. Even after experts found her to be suicidal – a prerequisite for abortion under a new Irish law – she was denied access to the procedure. According to a report by the Sunday Times, the woman, who is not an Irish citizen, believes that the government deliberately delayed her case – both through the state’s decision to ignore psychiatric experts and via her inability to travel because of her legal status – so that she would have to carry the pregnancy at least through the fetus’s viability. After going on a hunger strike, she was forced to undergo a caesarean section at just 25 weeks into her pregnancy.

      That’s 17 full weeks after she first sought help.

      That is not a policy; it’s a persecution. And now a country with a barbaric abortion ban that killed Savita Halappanavar in 2012 will be forced to reckon with the horror it has inflicted on yet another vulnerable woman.

      Halappanavar’s death, caused by an infection after the 31-year-old Indian dentist was denied an abortion under Ireland’s strict laws, sparked outrage across the country. So Ireland passed the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act, which made abortion legal if a woman’s life were threatened by the pregnancy or if she were suicidal.

      Doctors warned, however, that the legislation could still stop women from obtaining the care that the law was meant to allow. Dr Mary Favier, a member of Ireland’s Doctors for Choice, told me, “We predicted it would be a bad law, that it was going to be trouble and quickly that’s been proven.”

      No one CARES what Ireland says....

    2. You do, or you'd not have posted to the thread.

    3. Really though, "O"rdure, you should put those stories in italic, or at least have the teacher' assistant do it for you.
      I'm sure they have those, at the "Bernie Madoff School of Business" in Tel Aviv

  26. WASHINGTON—The U.S. announced Sunday an expansion of its airstrikes in Sunni-dominated Anbar province, a stronghold of Islamic State militants in Iraq.

    U.S. warplanes struck a berm near the Fallujah Dam that American military officials said had been used by Islamic State militants to flood Shiite neighborhoods in East Fallujah. U.S. military officials said because the berm was used to flood canals and control downstream water supplies it was a legitimate military target.

    “Initial reports indicate the berm was destroyed, enabling water again to flow freely,” said U.S. Central Command in a statement.

    In all, the U.S. struck 10 targets in Iraq and conducted 13 strikes in Syria Saturday and Sunday. The strikes in Syria, the U.S. military said, were conducted with fighter planes from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

    Over the weekend, the attacks by the U.S. and its coalition have intensified. With strikes on the berm and additional oil refineries, the military has struck more and varied targets in both Iraq and Syria. Still, despite the intensified strikes, Republicans continued their criticism of the administration.

    “The approach of the Obama administration has been fundamentally unserious,” said Sen. Ted Cruz (R., Texas). “It has really been a photo-op foreign policy.”

    Eleven of the strikes in Syria took place near Kobani, which has been the site of the most intense fighting with Islamic State militants in recent weeks. U.S. Central Command said those strikes hit 20 Islamic State fighting positions, five of the group’s vehicles and two buildings used by militants.

    The White House said Sunday that . . . . .

    Servicin' the customers

    1. Other strikes in Syria were aimed at destroying the militant group’s financing, ruining its ability to collect, refine and transport crude oil. U.S. B-1 bomber aircraft, which fly from the American air base in Qatar, struck a modular oil refinery.

      In Iraq, the U.S. also conducted additional strikes south of Baiji, the site of Iraq’s largest oil refinery. One strike south of the refinery destroyed an Islamic State check point. Two other strikes hit what the U.S. military called a large Islamic State unit, an armored truck and a check point.

      In addition, five airstrikes took place east of Fallujah on an Islamic State command post and large unit, the U.S. military said. Another strike took place west of the Mosul dam, destroying an ammunition truck, the military said.

      More "servicin'" of de customers

    2. All them headcutters, just waiting to be Served.

    3. And Qatar let the US fly from Doha to hit their ISIS boys?

    4. They seem to be getting the B-1's more and more involved.

    5. One step at a time, the Iraqi have consolidated their government, the Ministers have been selected and agreed to ...
      The trainees should be just about ready, they are probably 45 days into their training cycles, on average.

      It'll take another 45 days before they are ready to deploy.
      Rufus's opinion that Fallujeh would be the site of the Iraqi's first major offensive operation, sensible.
      I would like to see the Iraqi Army leapfrog to the border of Syria, and strike 'em there, while skirmishing in the Iraqi cities the Daesh have taken. This would tie down the Daesh inside Iraq, while cutting the IS Caliphate in two at the legitimate border.

    6. I think that probably means they're locating more troop concentrations.

    7. The modular oil refineries make great targets for those B-1s.

      What it takes to replace or repair them, unknown at present.
      But it would have to put a crimp in their operations, while not destroying the wellheads.

      Good long term thinking, if that's what it is.

    8. Honestly, I agree with you, Rat. That's the move that I'd make. However, there's so much politics involved that there's really no telling what they'll do next. While I'm guessing "Fallujah," I know the Iraqi government really wants to go to Tikrit.

      I'm pretty sure that anyone that does very much "predicting," here, is going to end up eating a nice helping of crow. :)

    9. Sure, Ms T, because the Daesh's objective have been met, already.
      Iraqi oil production and exports are down below 3 million barrels per day.
      The Kurds are displaying their 'independence' from the Iraqi and Syrian governments, even though the official ties are still there.

      The fight is going on in secular Syria, so any destruction of infrastructure is a net gain for Qatar and the Wahhabi.

    10. It is easier to predict the US military than the Iraqi government, from here in the USA.

      We'll see what happens, first part of December is when the fat should hit the fire.

    Did China Just Render America's $1 Trillion Stealth Fighter Program Obsolete?

  28. Politico

    The E-Team: Pentagon Announces Special Ebola Support Squad - ‎

    The Pentagon will train a 30-person expeditionary medical support team to provide immediate assistance to civilian health professionals in the U.S.

    1. The "Czar" was probably arranging for real medical support, while the bureaucrats met at the White House.
      The Czar out gettin' shit done, while the subordinates briefed he President.

      Action over optics.

  29. "Jack HawkinsSun Oct 19, 12:01:00 PM EDT
    Nothing about Jews in any post written, prior to yours, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson."

    first comment: allenSun Oct 19, 09:43:00 AM EDT
    second comment: Deuce ☂Sun Oct 19, 09:55:00 AM EDT

    How does it feel to be ever the fool?

    1. I went and looked, the word "Jew" was no where to be found, in either comment.

      How does it feel to be ever the fool?
      Look in the mirror and report back, will you please, allen?

      allenSun Oct 19, 09:43:00 AM EDT
      Missile boat crisis ends as Germany gives Israel €300m discount
      Deuce ☂Sun Oct 19, 09:55:00 AM EDT

      The Israelis demanded their normal 30% discount and threatened to renege on the original full price deal and leave Germany stuck with the ship. The Israelis threatened to get ships from Korea. The contracted amount was for the full price but instead of the check being in the mail, Israel twisted German arms and demanded their usual discount as Israel does not pay retail.

      It is a normal scam when a manufacturer produces a particular use machine or project and an unscrupulous buyer threatens not to take delivery unless the price is dropped.

      Please highlight where Judaism or Jews were mentioned in either post.

    2. I just don't see it.

      Words have meaning, allen.

      "‘When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.'

      ‘The question is,' said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things."

      ‘The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master—that's all.'"

      Israel is not a synonym for Judaism, that is pure propaganda and does not fly in the real world.

    3. "Come see beautiful Israel, nation state of the Inuits."

    4. A message about Inuits, but no highlighting of either of those first two comments.
      Must be because there is no mention of Jews or Judaism in either one.

  30. They seem to be getting the B-1's more and more involved.

    Works for me, it may be the case that I often get a shop order to fix a thingy on them.

  31. "What is "Occupation"Sun Oct 19, 12:22:00 PM EDT
    Allen you cannot "win" an argument with a anti-Semitic, Jew hating, Israel bashing, Zionist trashing, impotent troll of a human that lies, distorts and misleads on every topic and discussion."


    The fact is WiO, there must be a little Roman blood in the veins; I get off watching Quirk eviscerate him in the arena. There is also, I am truly sorry to say, a bit of sadistic delight derived in poking fun at the village idiot.

    Does this make me a bad person?

    1. No, allen, it means you are still searching for a mirror.

  32. You know, most of those old "Jim Crow supporting" politicians were White, Southern Christians.

    Deploring Jim Crow was Not analogous to being anti-white, or anti-Christian, or even anti-Southern.

    It was, simply, what it was - "anti-racism / anti-discrimination."

    1. True enough, Rufus, but if anyone were to go to one of the "White Supremacist" data dumps, the racists try to make the correlation.

      They are especially funny when denouncing the "Jews" of Europe, while touting "White Supremacy".
      As if the Ashkenazi were not just plain ordinary "White Folk" from Europe.

      It is like that Holocaust survivor wrote ...

    2. “To me the Zionists, who want to go back to the Jewish state of A.D. 70 (destruction of Jerusalem by Titus) are just as offensive as the Nazis.

      With their nosing after blood, their ancient "cultural roots," ...
      their partly canting, partly obtuse winding back of the world they are altogether a match for the National Socialists.

      That is the fantastic thing about the National Socialists,...
      that they simultaneously share in a community of ideas with Soviet Russia and with Zion.”

      ― Victor Klemperer, I Will Bear Witness: A Diary of the Nazi Years, 1933-1941

  33. Now, I don't see how "Inuits," and "Jews" can be conflated.

    The Inuit have a "racial" similarity (DNA - proven.)

    Whereas, "Jew" is a Religious term. Some have similar DNA - Some Don't.

    1. Ethiopian Jews look a lot like "Black Folk", here in the US.
      While this Ashkenazi couple qualify as "White" anywhere in the world.

      To claim that both are the same "Race" ...
      Simply Delusional

      Here is another image of three Jewish men European, Ethiopian and Yemeni where is the racial similarity?

    2. Einstein,

      They all have DNA.

    3. And, we're All "Out of Africa."

    4. Then, allen you are saying that all men are equal, that there is no racial element to mankind?

    5. There is no Jewish Race, and allen the Israeli Zionist has told us so?

      We all have DNA, all are out of Africa and are all equal, genetically.
      This is the new Zionist talking point, Lord Have Mercy!


    1. Facebook AND Soldier of Fortune magazine ...
      You really are out of arrows in that quiver ...

    2. Facebook And Soldier of Fortune?

      That's a non-clickable that tempts me. :)

    3. You will not be disappointed.

  35. Given the numbers, a moderately trained infantry battalion would make all the difference.

    The IS fighters suffered heavy losses in their effort to seal the battle for the town, which has become a key prize as it is being fought under the gaze of the world's press massed just over the border in Turkey.

    From yesterday into today morning, a total of 31 jihadists died in the battle, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

    Coalition air strikes killed 15, while another 16 died in the ground fighting, including two suicide bombers.

    The Kurdish lost seven fighters, said the Britain-based Observatory, which has a wide network of sources inside Syria.

    On Friday, IS lost 35 of its fighters while the Kurds lost three.

    Heavy losses = under 100.
    Perspectives and perceptions are a funny thing.

    The Normal School in Mexico had 43 students kidnapped and killed - now that could be described as "Heavy Losses", for a teachers college. But 70 or so combat deaths, to describe that as heavy ...


  36. “Recent studies have been conducted on a large number of genes homologous chromosomes or autosomes (all chromosomes except chromosomes X and Y). A 2009 study was able to genetically identify individuals with full or partial Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In August 2012, Dr. Harry Ostrer in his book Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, summarized his and other work in genetics of the last 20 years, and concluded that all major Jewish groups share a common Middle Eastern origin. Ostrer also claimed to have refuted any large-scale genetic contribution from the Turkic Khazars. Citing Autosomal DNA studies, Nicholas Wade estimates that "Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews have roughly 30 percent European ancestry, with most of the rest from the Middle East." He further noticed that "The two communities seem very similar to each other genetically, which is unexpected because they have been separated for so long." Concerning this relationship he points to Atzmon conclusions that "the shared genetic elements suggest that members of any Jewish community are related to one another as closely as are fourth or fifth cousins in a large population, which is about 10 times higher than the relationship between two people chosen at random off the streets of New York City.”

    “Need AC, Kasperaviciute D, Cirulli ET, Goldstein DB; Kasperaviciute; Cirulli; Goldstein (2009). "A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans". Genome Biology 10 (1): R7. doi:10.1186/gb-2009-10-1-r7. PMC 2687795. PMID 19161619.”

    “Wade, Nicholas (2010-06-09). "Studies Show Jews' Genetic Similarity". The New York Times.”

    Begley, Sharon (2012-08-06). "Genetic study offers clues to history of North Africa's Jews | Reuters".

    “Nebel Almut, Filon Dvora, Brinkmann Bernd, Majumder Partha P., Faerman Marina, Oppenheim Ariella (2001). "The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East". The American Journal of Human Genetics 69 (5): 1095–112. doi:10.1086/324070. PMC 1274378. PMID 11573163.”

    “Molecular Photofitting: Predicting Ancestry and Phenotype Using DNA by Tony Nick Frudakis P:383”

    1. The Invention of the Jewish People
      is a book written by Shlomo Sand, an Israeli professor of history at the University of Tel Aviv.

      The author wasn’t probing a belief system but Zionist fabrications of a spurious common lineage for people of the Jewish faith.

      Sand argues that the idea of Jews having a common ethnic identity is implausible because, as with Christianity and Islam, Judaism was originally a “proselytising religion”.

      The notion of Judaism as a “race”, rather than a religion of various races, is without foundation.

      The recent study by John Hopkins geneticist Dr Elhaik confirms...
      that the common genome structure of the European Jew gravitated towards an origin in old Khazaria.

      “The majority of Jews do not have Middle Eastern genetic component,” he told Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

      Founded on a mélange of myths and manufactured historical tales,
      Israel has failed the archaeological test of time and is now exposed by DNA science.

      Today’s genetics prove unequivocally that in 1948 “the children of the original Jews” were replaced by converts ...
      With no roots in the Middle East.

    2. The notion of Judaism as a “race”, rather than a religion of various races, is without foundation.

      The results of a recently published study by Israeli-American geneticist Dr Eran Elhaik at John Hopkins University have scientifically and genetically validated Sand’s research

      The idea of a “nation race” was progressively developed and reinforced over centuries among segregated Jewish communities in Europe.

      With the rise of German nationalism in the 19th century, Jewish historian Heinrich Graetz “retrospectively” crafted a discrete identity for the ghettoized people –  mapping their origin to an old kingdom and wandering exiles.
      The exiles tales transpired from a Christian myth of “divine punishment” imposed on Jews for rejecting the new religion.

      The parable is likely to have originated from the Old Testament story of Jews wandering the desert for disobeying God and worshipping a golden calf.

      Christians propagated the concept of exile to lure “disobeying” Jews to the new religion, becoming their saviour from another eternal banishment.

      Modern political Zionism, which otherwise rejects the Christian Bible, adopted the untested story of “Jewish exile” to establish a mythical linkage between European Jews and the Middle East.

      But Jewish history tells us that the Romans did not expel the original Jews from Palestine when they crushed the Simon bar Kokhba revolt in 136 AD but instead barred them only from city of Jerusalem – and even then they were allowed to visit it during Tisha B’Av, the annual fasting day on the ninth day of the month of Av in the Hebrew calendar.

      Under Christianity and during the Roman Empire a large number of native Jews converted to Christianity and, with the advent of Islam, most adopted the new religion and assimilated under the new power.

      In addition to the descendants of the Canaanites, the original denizens before patriarch Abraham’s arrival from Mesopotamia, Sand concludes that today’s Muslim and Christian Palestinians are actually the true progenies of the original Jews.


    3. 'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert

      Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins

      Scientists usually don’t call each other “liars” and “frauds.”

      But that’s how Johns Hopkins University post-doctoral researcher Eran Elhaik describes a group of widely respected geneticists, including Harry Ostrer, professor of pathology and genetics at Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine and author of the 2012 book “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People.”

    4. Interesting, although not the least bit unexpected; but, what does it prove? That a lot of Jews have some parentage going back to the Middleeast? Hell, you could say that about a lot of people, right?

    5. Yes, but their DNA would be different. They like Jews would share about 99% of the same DNA as chimps.

    6. DR you did not read your own link or you are prevaricating again. I read the article over a year ago. What is in question is not Jewishness but the origin of a particular branch of Judaism.

  37. Jack must be on meth today.

    Or the guy's the EverReadyBunny.