“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Thursday, October 06, 2011

Dingy Harry pushes the button

Reid triggers ‘nuclear option’ to change rules, prohibit filibusters
By Alexander Bolton - 10/06/11

In a shocking development Thursday evening, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) triggered a rarely used procedural option informally called the “nuclear option” to change the Senate rules.

The Democratic leader had become fed up with Republican demands for votes on motions to suspend the rules after the Senate had voted to end a filibuster.

Reid said these motions, which do not need unanimous consent, amount to a second-round filibuster after the Senate has voted to move to final passage of a measure.

The surprise move stunned Republicans, who did not expect Reid to bring heavy artillery to what had been a humdrum knife fight over amendments to China currency legislation.

Reid appealed a ruling from the chair that Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) does not need unanimous consent to force a vote on a motion to suspend the rules to consider amendments after cloture has already been approved.

The chair, which was occupied by Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska), ruled under the advice of the Senate parliamentarian that Republicans had the right to force a vote on a motion to suspend the rules and proceed to President Obama’s controversial jobs bill.

Republicans planned to use this right of the minority to embarrass Obama by showing that many Democrats do not support his jobs package as originally drafted. But Reid moved to kill their plan by appealing the chair’s ruling, triggering a vote.

The maneuver is arcane but momentous. If a simple majority of the Senate votes with Reid and strikes down the ruling, the chamber’s precedent will be changed through the unilateral action of one party.

Republicans had considered using this maneuver, dubbed the “nuclear option,” in 2005 to change Senate rules to prohibit the filibuster of judicial nominees. Democrats decried the plan and the crisis was resolved by a bipartisan agreement forged by 14 rank-and-file senators known as the Gang of 14.

Senate Republicans were furious at Reid’s actions.

“Just wait until they get into the minority!” one GOP staffer growled.


  1. President Barack Obama's jobs bill and a separate measure to pressure China into letting the value of its currency rise will be voted on in the Senate next week, Democratic Leader Harry Reid said Thursday night. The jobs bill includes a surtax on millionaires that Democrats proposed on Wednesday.

  2. Nazi Pelosi says the unemployment rate would have hit 14.5% without 2009 stimulus (that last 0.5 is funny. Why not say 14.474% since she's making numbers up?)

    Fred Thompson: "One of the Wall Street protesters said 'I put my money in my bra,' not a bank. Well, I suppose it'll get more interest that way."

    Every household has an additional $35,835 of national debt under Obama.

    First there were $16 muffins and $8 cups of coffee; then came emails suggesting that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. fudged the truth about "Operation Fast and Furious"; and now it’s a Justice Department official using taxpayer funds to "facilitate a physical relationship with a woman in Florida."

  3. "“Just wait until they get into the minority!” one GOP staffer growled."


    I'm hoping a distinguished statesman like Trent Lott will come along and unilaterally surrender.

    hmmmm, Trent, Rufus...

    Maybe it's the water?

  4. Did you just hear that on Hewitt, T?

    I was gathering it together as you were posting it.

  5. One very bitter day, the hatred will lead to mass murder in the Senate - not unlike Rome.

    I fear for my country.

    Bring Him Home

  6. Allen Trolls for the
    "which country?"
    Elephant Bar Snappers!

  7. The Eternal Cluelessness of the Romney Mind

    Mitt Romney has been looking steady and solid in recent weeks...

    Still. . .

    A friend reminded me the other day of a detail I had forgotten from the last time around. When asked about his favorite book in 2008, Romney answered with the Bible, and then added . . . L. Ron Hubbard’s Battlefield Earth.
    It’s not enough just to be a Mormon, which presents its own set of cultural challenges for a candidate.

    It really takes a special kind of cluelessness to embrace the ur-text of what is, at best, a religious cult, and more likely a borderline racketeering enterprise.
    Does Romney really have no one around him who can talk sense to him?

    This morning’s Wall Street Journal brings a fresh dose of heartburn for those of us willfully trying to warm up to Romney, with a front-page story on Romney’s environmental record during his governorship of Massachusetts. Now, I’ve argued for a long time that Republicans ought to be able to handle environmental issues with more finesse, but from the looks of this story Romney hasn’t got it.

    There’s this quote from Romney, outside a coal-fired power plant that he wanted to rein in somehow:

    I will not create jobs or hold jobs that kill people, and that plant—that plant—kills people.

    Where to begin with this kind of idiocy? And if we’re going to have that kind of idiocy, why not just elect Al Gore?

    He wasn’t finished. When helping to design the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (“Reggie” for short), the northeastern state’s attempt to start their own cap-and-trade system that is now slowly collapsing (having barely got off the ground in the first place), Romney said: “These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress in the battle to protect the environment.” No, they wouldn’t, even if catastrophic global warming were true. If you wiped Massachusetts off the face of the earth entirely (come to think of it, this is a nice thought experiment isn’t it?), it would make no difference in the climate models. It wouldn’t even make a rounding error in the climate models. This man is fundamentally unserious about thinking for himself, or offering anything outside a narrow range of conventional opinion.

    Where can I get a Herman Cain bumper sticker?

    Amen to that!

  8. Doug, Twitter is real time.

  9. T,
    Maybe some day you'll explain how I could use it without blowing my head off within 2 hours.

    When I see something with a link to something of interest, I see the point.

    When I see an endless stream of drivel about someone's last fart with a circular link back to twitter, I pull out a hair or two and leave.

    Where, how to find the former rather than the latter?

    Where'd you get notified of the Reid thing?

  10. What do you expect from Dirty Harry, he has not allowed a vote on a budget in almost 2 ½ years. Let's see what Harry's fellow Senate Democrats up for re-election have to say about this maneuver. Regardless, the Democrats have destroyed the 60 vote rule that they created decades ago and now the Republicans can do the same thing when they are in the majority in 2013 with a Republican House and President.

  11. Never underestimate the power of the GOP to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...

    Remember Trent Lott!

  12. Doug: Where'd you get notified of the Reid thing?

    Doug, I wrote a piece of Java script to filter Twitter and host it on my friend's server in Renton, WA. It's raining conservative soup, all you need is a bucket. Hit F5 every minute or so to refresh, that's how busy it is. (But be advised there are liberal "trolls" there too). It's great for links. You can find ten topics a minute for the EB.

  13. Cool!
    ...curious about what it does.
    "To Filter Twitter"

    Is there some master twitter feed somewhere?

  14. Doug said...
    Allen Trolls for the
    "which country?"
    Elephant Bar Snappers!

    Thu Oct 06, 08:43:00 PM EDT


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  16. Doug: Is there some master twitter feed somewhere?

    There is a master twitter feed somewhere, but it can only be accessed by Twitter search. People Tweet with tags, such as #hhrs (short for Hugh Hewitt Radio Show). My search engine looks for #tcot, which means Top Conservatives on Twitter, and it's the most popular tag.

    If you Tweet something, and include the string "#tcot" in it, it will show up on my filter.

    The most recent handful of my own Tweets are found by using this filter.

    Any Tweet that mentions the word "lesbian" in it can be found using this filter.

    And so on.

    Fun fun fun.

  17. Alan

    Certainly you've not completely forgotten the several times your allegiance to THIS country was questioned?

    I become more convinced each day that some here are 100% committed to furthering MSM MeMes.

    Meaning if the Pubs have 2 major trangressors in the scandal of the decade, and the Dems 20, it is reported here as the Pubs fault.

    Followed by infinite spaghetti logic "proving" the validity of said spaghetti.

  18. A Muslim-American woman is suing Southwest Airlines for discrimination because she was removed from a plane by federal security agents.


    She was taken off the plane, briefly examined by TSA agents and placed on another flight.

    The airline later apologized. Abbasi has said she wants the crew disciplined.

  19. Thanks, T:

    Hopefully I'll get past my hangups about friending and chirping and learn to extract some useful info.

  20. I want Southwest to issue a Fatwa on Fatass Abbasi.

  21. Ah, shit. I feel a Cheech and Chong moment coming on.

  22. .

    The lights are on ...
    no one home ...

    You could be right rat.

    After all, Herman Cain seems to agree with you,

    "I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama Administration," Cain told the Wall Street Journal.

    Obviously a thinly veiled plot orchestrated by the DNC, Soros, or the AFL-CIO. Surely, Adbusters couldn't have dreamed this up on their own.

    Oh, wait a minute. This from one of the links from a post you put up the other day:

    Adbusters, the organization behind the protests, is a small multi media company with a big voice has done its business for 20 years. It represents the counter-culture movement and bills itself as "a global network of artists, writers and activists who want to advance the new social activist movement of the information age."

    It speaks out against corporate creed, big tobacco, multi-nationals around the world, and the three per cent of the population that controls most of the wealth.

    Adbusters publishes one of the most successful anti-establishment magazines in the world that is reader-supported and has a circulation of 120,000.

    Over time, it has launched many consumer campaigns, but none bigger that the centrefold in its July edition: a call to action to the masses who are tired of corporate greed, a challenge to average Joe to gather on Wall Street September 17 and bring a tent.

    Gee, it says Adbusters is reader supported?

    Naw, must be a mistake.

    But then you have to ask, how much did it cost that unnamed someone to get Adbusters to run an editorial similar to the ones they have been running for the past 20 years and to call for a campaign similar to the many they have launched before.

    Serendipity abounds.


  23. A couple of readers like Soros will go a long way. :)

  24. Networks Again Trumpet What NBC’s Williams Celebrates as ‘the Protest of This Current Era’

    CBS and NBC led Wednesday night with glowing stories about the growth and diversity of the far-left “Occupy Wall Street” protests, though without any ideological label applied nor any critics allowed, a promotional approach the networks never provided in Tea Party coverage.

    We begin tonight with what has become by any measure a pretty massive protest movement,” NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams announced. “While it goes by the official name ‘Occupy Wall Street,’ it has spread steadily and far beyond Wall Street, and it could well turn out to be the protest of this current era.”

    ABC’s Cecilia Vega touted how “it is a crowd that grows daily in size and diversity,” CBS’s Michelle Miller heralded “they’re gaining momentum and new recruits” and NBC’s Mara Schiavocampo trumpeted “the largest crowd yet, and more varied in age and background.”

    She assured viewers that “experts say though still largely undefined, the movement has a lot of potential.”

    Over a montage of pictures, Williams opened his newscast by applying rock lyrics from the 1960s to the events:

    Good evening. We begin tonight with what has become by any measure a pretty massive protest movement. While it goes by the official name “Occupy Wall Street,” it has spread steadily and far beyond Wall Street, and it could well turn out to be the protest of this current era. The lyric from 45 years ago in the Buffalo Springfield song For What It's Worth could also describe this current movement right now. Once again, “there is something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear,” but it encompasses a lot of things: anger, frustration, disenfranchisement, income disparity, unaccountability and general upheaval and dissatisfaction. Again today, thousands took to the streets of this city. They're in the streets of other cities as well.

    After highlighting, without regard to their size, how “the protests are spreading from cyberspace to streets all around the country -- 50 cities now -- from Salt Lake City to Topeka to Knoxville,” Vega considered it newsworthy that a left-wing Democrat is in favor of the left-wing protests: “The movement now garnering attention from politicians running for office, like Elizabeth Warren, who's vying for a Democratic Senate nomination in Massachusetts.”

    Vega proceeded to hail how “observers of social history say the protesters' growing presence could be a major issue in the coming presidential election year.” A white female professor celebrated: “If you can influence the conversation in the 2012 election, then you've done something pretty amazing.”

    Over on CBS, Michelle Miller marveled at how “they have a food court, medical unit, and publish a daily newspaper called the Occupied Wall Street Journal.” She also showed how protesters are to the left of the Democratic Party: “Sixty-nine-year-old Patricia Walsh came from Denver. She protested the Democratic convention back in 1968.”

    From earlier this week: “ABC and NBC Champion Left-Wing Anti-Capitalist Protests, Fueled by Cookies from a ‘Grandmother in Idaho’”-

  25. ABC’s Vega highlighted how “thousands of union workers marched in solidarity in joining a common cause, blaming bank greed for the country's economic woes.” She then ran a clip of an iron union worker – the very same white man who also got a soundbite in NBC’s story.

    And NBC’s Schiavocampo on Wednesday night showcased the very same professor from Columbia University, Dorian Warren, as ABC featured in a report aired on Monday’s World News.

  26. My previous comment got eaten:

    In short, it said they don't have to worry about advertising from here on in, the MSM is revving up a multimillion dollar campaign for free.

    Brian Williams can't be a whore, he does it for free.

    (Not counting his salary, his new show, props from the WH, Press, and DC Party Circuit, endless awards and kudos...)
    Gives "Prostitute" a bad name.

  27. AP Story Leaves Out Key Point on Fast and Furious

    The Associated Press is reporting the following:

    The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers — the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama's administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

    When Bush, a Republican, was president, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Tucson, Ariz., used a similar enforcement tactic in a program it called Operation Wide Receiver. The fact that there were two such ATF investigations years apart in separate administrations raises the possibility that agents in still other cases may have allowed guns to "walk

    The problem is, the "same tactic" under heavy criticism by the House Oversight Committee was not used under President Bush.

    Operation Fast and Furious started in Fall 2009 and was an offshoot of the Project Gunrunner program implemented under the Bush Administration. Project Gunrunner started as a pilot program in Laredo, Texas and went national in 2006.

    Project Gunrunner involved the surveillance of straw purchasers buying weapons, but those purchasers were immediately apprehended before crossing back into Mexico or tranferring arms to dangerous criminals.

    Shortly after Obama took office, Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw purchasers working for Mexican drug cartels to purchase mass amount of weapons in the United States and then take them back to Mexico in addition to allowing them to be lost at stash houses and tranferred to dangerous cartel members.

    ATF agents who have testified before Congress about the program said the idea was to "trace" those weapons, but the tracing ended up being a total failure as GPS batteries ran out and thousands of guns were lost in Mexico and only found at final violent crime scenes. Did both operations allow for straw purchasers to buy guns under ATF/DOJ surveillance?

    Yes, however, the key difference between Operation Fast and Furious under Obama and Project Gunrunner under Bush is that under Obama guns were allowed to go back into Mexico without interdiction or arrests.

    According to Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, straw purchaser arrests and prosecutions have been way down under this administration, so much so it's almost as if the Obama Justice Department has no interest in prosecuting illegal straw purchasers at all. (A straw purchaser is someone who buys guns illegally for those who cannot buy them. In this case, cartels members can't buy guns, so they hired "straw purchasers" to buy weapons for them)

    Although "Operation Wide Receiver" does need more looking into, for the Associated Press to try and turn the pressure away from President Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder, who may soon be facing perjury charges, onto the Bush Administration is both predictable and non-factual. The "same tactics" under heavy criticism were not used under Bush.

  28. By the Roosevelt Standard, allen, you are not an American, though you may be a citizen of the United States.

    We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.

    Theodore Roosevelt

    Your dual loyalties disqualify you from being one of US.

    According to President Roosevelt.

    doug was just sayin'.

  29. It is amusing how the press minimized the size of Tea Party demonstrations and see the Wall Street Occupiers as strictly a far left event.

  30. DR,

    You are sooooo not worth it.

  31. The WSO is nothing more than the average person having come to the following conclusions:

    * Congress sucks
    * Wall Street sucks
    * Big Banks suck
    * Unemployment sucks
    * The big corporations, banks, Wall Street and Congress took care of themselves
    * They got screwed

    I have yet to see one Hope and Change poster at the demonstrations.

  32. …by the way, the Senate sucks.

  33. ...and so does Eric Cantor and Harry Reid.

  34. .

    Meaning if the Pubs have 2 major trangressors in the scandal of the decade, and the Dems 20, it is reported here as the Pubs fault.

    This isn't a baseball game Doug where one side wins and the other loses.

    When an elected official screws up they should be called on it whether they do it 2 times or 20.

    You excuse the dicks on one side judging they are better (or less bad) than the dicks on the other side.

    Some don't rationalize with the ease you do.


  35. .

    The Tigers move on.

    Hope Arizona does well tonight rat. Gibby and Trammell have a Detroit connection and most people here wish them well. It would be great to see Gibson get manager of the year.

    I would like to wish Duece and Melody good luck as well but the Phillies have too good a pitching staff. On the outside chance Detroit was able to make it to the World Series, I'm kind of hoping the Philly Squirrel shows up again tonight.



  36. Right, Quirk.
    The MSM is fair and balanced.
    No bias at all.
    Like you assholes.

    Life is not a baseball game...

    More spaghetti to elude a point of fact.

  37. You rationalize 20 dicks out of 100 as no worse, nay often better than 2.
    Did you ever try living without constant input from your TV?

  38. "trangressors "




  39. "Some don't rationalize with the ease you do."

    Some aren't as comfortable with pompous assninity as you.

  40. .

    No one should relish threatening China with a 25 percent tariff. It would be illegal under existing WTO rules; to save the postwar trading system, we’d have to attack it. This would risk an all-out trade war just when the world economy is already tottering. There’s no guarantee that China would respond as hoped. Initially, it might retaliate. Cooperation on other issues would collapse. Prices of Chinese exports (consumer electronics, shoes) that we barely make would probably rise. Other countries might adopt protective measures.

    All this is dangerous stuff. The policy’s only recommendation is that it might be slightly better than the alternative: condoning China’s ongoing assault on our industry. In the past, it’s been clothes and furniture; in the future, it will be cars and commercial aircraft. China’s policies assail other countries, too, and its trade surpluses destabilize the global economy. There’s already a trade war between them and us; but only one side is fighting.

    Our One-Sided Trade War With China


  41. Referencing adbusters, Q.

    A person can read their handout, and believe it, or question it.

    Now, it seems to me that when the folks at the Democrat's mouthpiece, MSNBC, tell us the origins of the Occupation are not important ...

    Well ...

    Then it is REALLY important.

    An onion, similar to the one Mr Nixon tried selling US, when he said he knew nothing of the Plumbers. Back in the day.

  42. I may notbe worth it, but Teddy Roosevelt ...

    He spoke the truth.

    As to loyalties to our country.
    How they are indivisible.

    That you stand outside the circle, allen, not my doing.

  43. .

    You rationalize 20 dicks out of 100 as no worse, nay often better than 2.


    Put on your reading glasses Dougo.

    What I have said on numerous occasions is that they are all dicks and that you can't excuse fuckups on one side by saying the other side fucksup more.

    It's a concept you can't seem to get your head around.


  44. .

    A person can read their handout, and believe it, or question it.

    True enough.

    And my comment about the Illuminati was obviously a little hyperbolic possibly influenced by our previous discussion on the role of th FED as motivating factor.

    That being said I don't see a role played by others in the initial call to action by Adbusters or see that call as an overt attempt to take our mind off the failings of the Obama administration as proposed by Herman Cain.

    If true, that outside agent is either pretty dumb or inscrutibly, devilishly clever.

    The initial demonstration had

    1. No identifiable leaders
    2. No agenda other than general discontent with everything going on in the country.

    Likewise, I don't see why Adbusters would need someone from the outside to pay or motivate them to do something they have a history of doing anyway.

    Perhaps I am too trusting. If you connect the dots, and show me some outside agent paid for the Adbuster centerfold, I'll admit I was wrong. It wouldn't be the first time (although I can't remember the last :)

    But until then I'll assume Adbusters came up with the idea and got it rolling.

    Occam's razor.


  45. Well, Q, what I would say, in short.

    Mr Aliinsky certainly was

    ... inscrutably, devilishly clever ...

    His students, some learned their lessons, well.

    Captured the White House, they did.

    They will do their best work, to hold it.

    When the media barons tell US there is no story, that there is nothing to see in the origins of the Occupation, well, that is a clue.

    There is a story there, what it is, exactly ...

    I hope we can discover.

  46. Now, if one assumes that the Oval Office is still bugged, that all the conversations are recorded for posterity.

    Well then, little wonder Mr Obama spends so much time on the golf course.

  47. Mr Roosevelt echoed by John Wayne:

    Words of wisdom by the Duke

    "We're American, that says it all."

  48. More from Mr Roosevelt, who was both a Republican President and a Progressive.

    Interesting position, as it references the immigration debate.

    Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul.

    Our allegiance must be purely to the United States.

    We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.

    But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.


  49. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States.

    We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.

    Teddy Roosevelt

  50. What I always find interesting, when the heads discuss a "third party", they inevitably mention Teddy, but never "Honest" Abe Lincoln.

    He being the first third party candidate to win the White House, as a Republican.
    Whigs and Democrats being the "Established" Parties at the time.

    That the change of the political Establishment led to a Civil War, another item never mentioned.

  51. Alex Jones Launches

    "Occupy the Federal Reserve"

    A counterweight to clueless "Occupy Wall Street" protesters is developing. Alex Jones is urging his supporters to take to the streets outside branches of the Federal Reserve at locations across the country.

    A Jones press release says the action is not just to protest, but "to 'occupy' the source of real monetary tyranny in the U.S.

    The intent is to focus media attention not just on vague calls to ‘reform’ capitalism but to attempt to reign in the shadow banking cartel itself.

    The corruption of Wall Street is but a symptom of this unaccountable entity that holds a grip over finance, politics and freedom everywhere

  52. wiki says:

    "Alex" Jones (born February 11, 1974) is an American talk radio host, actor and filmmaker. His syndicated news/talk show The Alex Jones Show, based in Austin, Texas, airs via the Genesis Communication Network over 60 AM, FM, and shortwave radio stations across the United States and on the Internet. His websites include and

    Mainstream sources have described Jones as a conservative and as a right-wing conspiracy theorist.

    Jones sees himself as a libertarian, and rejects being described as a right-winger

    Another "self-employed professional", media manipulator

  53. Developing Story:

    "Occupy the Federal Reserve"

    first heard of when mentioned on MSNBC.

  54. Leaderless, indeed.

    Certainly not unguided.

    Unless it is by Adam Smith's
    "Invisible Hand".

  55. In difference with Mr Cain, these demonstrations are not meant to be a "distraction", for Mr Obama, but a spring board.

    That is if they are not as "spontaneous" as some reporting would want US to believe.

  56. Occupy the Fed NOW Boston | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money ... › Forums › Ron Paul 2012 › Events

    1 day ago – Occupy the Fed Boston starts at noon this Friday. ... with individuals within the Occupy Boston groups to focus attention on the Federal Reserve. ...

  57. .

    1 day ago – Occupy the Fed Boston starts at noon this Friday. ... with individuals within the Occupy Boston groups to focus attention on the Federal Reserve. ...

    The way you edited this quote it appears that calling attention to the FED is a major impulse behind the Occupy Boston rally. Whereas, looking at the full quote can be read as a Ron Paul Libertarian called up another Ron Paul Libertarian within Occupy Boston and was invited to attend along with his firends.

    Occupy the Fed Boston starts at noon this Friday. We are working with individuals within the Occupy Boston groups to focus attention on the Federal Reserve. Stewart Rhodes connected me with with Garrett Loporto who is one of the organizers at the Boston site (600 Atlantic Ave- across from the Fed). He is an oathkeeper, Ron Paul supporter, end the fed'er and wants get as many of us as we can to come this Friday and stay as long as you can and keep coming back and staying for as long as you can. Hence occupation.

    Maybe I am not as trusting as I thought; but the deletion of a mere three words from the quote when you generally are willing to post pages of unedited material makes me a little suspicious.


  58. .

    Leaderless, indeed.


    Alex Jones? Too funny.

    The point has been made here a number of times. Whether OWS was initially a movement spawned independantly by Adbusters or actually was spawned by some unidentified cabal, as soon as it started picking up media attention, various groups would try to coopt the banner of OWS for their own purposes.

    We have seen this with the labor unions, with advocacy groups (ie the tenants group in Rufus' post), with whack-jobs like Alex Jones, and with marginal political parties like the Libertarians.

    The trend will continue with everyone trying to get in on the action. I don't doubt for a minute that the anarchists and other groups feared by the right will eventually be seen in media photos.

    Right now it's a happening. The rallies are probably a great place to meet girls and hook-up. It's a great thing being young and in some cases idealistic.

    On the other hand if the movement is to go anywhere, it will (in my opinion) require some adult supervision. Where that will come from will be the interesting thing.

    The movements beginnings will likely have very little to do with where it ends up.


  59. The Labor Force increased by 423,000.

    Of those, 398,000 found jobs.

    Unfortunately, they were "part-time" jobs. 444,000 Went Part-Time for Economic Reasons.

    BLS Data

  60. Mickey D's was rolling those full-timers over to part-timers.

  61. Two part-timers w/o insurance is better than one full-time worker "With Insurance."

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  63. The CEO of Siemens was just on CNBC. He employs 60,000 in the U.S. Needs 3,000 more, and can't find them.

    He needs people that are capable of working in a high-tech, manufacturing invironment. People that can "talk to machines."

    Says they're going to have to "train his own," like they do in Germany.

  64. here you go, Q.

    That Ron Paul link and quote, was cut, verbatim from Google News.

    Unedited by me.

    That it is directed at "sending a message", I do agree.

    That it is not me that did the editing, all the more telling.

    Google speaks, in not so mysterious ways.

  65. Who does Google represent, Q?

    Google's Top Policy Executive to Join Obama Administration ...


    May 29, 2009 – Andrew McLaughlin, Google's top policy executive, will join the Obama administration as deputy chief technology officer, reporting to Aneesh ...

  66. Siemens is a huge company. They can spend the money turning talented "average Joes" into high tech workers.

    But, what about the "Small" manufacturing company that wants to add more automation (computer controlled) to compete with the Chinese State-sponsored enterprise?

    How does That company handle this?

  67. He hires them away from Siemens, or he pays the tuition at a trade school for the employees of choice.

    Then sets up in house training, with those "Grads" or the Siemens veterans as the instructors.

  68. It was referred to as "On the Job" training, when I was a lad.

  69. From CNN:

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The Occupy Wall Street protests have sparked another fight -- between a top Republican and President Obama.

    Speaking Friday at a "Values Voter Summit" in Washington, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor called the protesters a "mob" and suggested they had been encouraged by the Obama administration.

    "This administration's failed policies have resulted in an assault on many of our nation's bedrock principles," he said. "If you read the newspapers today, I for one am increasingly concerned about the growing mobs occupying Wall Street and the other cities across the country.

    "And, believe it or not, some in this town have condoned the pitting of Americans against Americans," he added.

    His remarks come the day after President Obama expressed sympathy to the views of protesters.

    "What I think is that the American people understand that not everybody has been following the rules; that Wall Street is an example of that," he said at a press conference Thursday. "These days, a lot of folks who are doing the right thing aren't rewarded, and a lot of folks who aren't doing the right thing are rewarded."

  70. Break away Cantor and the Congressional Tea Partiers from a large segment of the Ron Paul/Perry constituency.

    The ground is already prepared, for the first round, even quicker than I envisioned.

  71. Our schools aren't teaching what needs to be taught.

  72. A word of wisdom,
    from Saul.

    "'The organizer's first job is to create the issues or problems,' and 'organizations must be based on many issues.'

    The organizer 'must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression.

    He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . .
    (Geithner mints the coin)

    An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.'"

    Then act upon those "feelings".

  73. .

    That Ron Paul link and quote, was cut, verbatim from Google News.

    Went to Google News and couldn't find it.

    When I checked the links you did provide, I found the unedited version of the quote.

    You need to be careful throwing quotes around without attribution.

    Just saying.

    Who does Google represent, Q?

    Google, I suspect.


  74. rufus, if you would have had your way they'd have been teaching the building trades 20 years ago.

    School isn't job training but rather learning.

  75. True enough, rufus.

    Families cannot rely solely upon government for one's offspring's preparation for presentation to the whirled.

    To do so, a prescription for personal failure.

  76. When a young man applies himself, and graduates high school with decent grades, and, yet, is unhirable for a factory job Your School System is Failing.

  77. .

    Obama says he sypathizes with OWS.

    Ron Paul says he views OWS as allies.

    Rand Paul says they remind him of the 'Paris Mob' and that Obama is likely inciting them to riot.

    Dallas Fed President, Richard Fisher, says he sympathizes with the protesters.

    Eric Cantor calls them a 'mob', similar verbiage to that used by Pelosi et al when talking of the Tea Party.

    Rick Santorum says he understands OWS' frustration.

    And on it goes...

    Just a few comments picked up in looking through the websites rat referenced.


  78. Has been for a long time, in many locales.

    It is a local challenge.

    To be solved by those closest to it, those the most effected by it.

  79. There are something like 14 Million Unemployed in the United States. Many of those are drawing "Support" from the National Treasury (you and me.)

    That makes it a National problem.

  80. Miami real estate sales, reported to be up by 50%

    Foreign buyers boost Miami

    Many buyers come from South America and Europe, but Ruiz called Canadians number one. He said Brazilians are especially active right now, and also cited recent sales to Chinese buyers.

    At the Icon Brickell, a three-tower condominium complex downtown offering waterfront views and one of the nation’s longest residential pools, sales associate Rafael Gonzalez said sales surged when Fortune took over after lenders seized the complex and cut prices. Gonzalez said the building has just 5 percent of its inventory left. Most of the units have gone to foreign buyers.

    “This is probably one of the most international buildings I have seen,” Gonzalez said. “We have buyers from all over the world. We have from Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Italia, from all over.”

  81. Those folks, rufus, have already had jobs. They need further training, no doubt.

    But they have no claim to the National purse, beyond the "insurance" benefits, they've "paid" for.

    Payments which are directed to the States, I do believe.
    So the solution, if it is not at the local, community level, it rests with the Governor and State legislators.

    Not an issue for Mr Obama and Mr Cantor to attempt a solution.

  82. As for those that get out of High School, unprepared ...

    Welcome to the "real whirled".

    Secondary Trade schools or Apprenticeship programs.

    Paul Revere, served an apprenticeship, as a silver smith.

    Ben Franklin apprenticed as a printer, a high tech industry of it's day.

    Microsoft has it's certification programs.

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