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Thursday, July 17, 2014

Here is the intercepted message of the Ukrainian (Russian) separatists acknowledging that they shot down the Malaysian Passenger Jet




The blood on Putin's hands... IAN BIRRELL on the ramifications of the shooting down of flight MH17


PUBLISHED: 18:57 EST, 17 July 2014 | UPDATED: 19:02 EST, 17 July 2014

The world may have averted its gaze towards Israel and Gaza, but this week the rumbling warfare in eastern Ukraine has been erupting into something growing daily more dangerous.

Three Ukrainian planes have been reported shot down with missiles, scores of soldiers and separatist fighters killed, and an apartment block destroyed by an air strike, though it is disputed who fired the missiles that killed 11 people inside.

Meanwhile the Russian bear, still pretending to be an innocent party despite blood dripping from its paws, has begun stealthily rebuilding its forces on the border.

Now we may well have witnessed the kind of shocking event that happens when heavy armaments are placed in the hands of untrained and desperate militias.

Up to ten Britons are though to have died in what Ukraine's president said was an act of terrorism

For if the Malaysian plane has been shot down by Russian separatists – and given recent events this is far from implausible – it marks an alarming escalation in a crisis many people may have thought was dribbling into a ceasefire.

Not only will those 295 people flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur be victims of a civil war that could not have had less to do with them. But they would have been slaughtered by forces armed, funded, guided and possibly trained by Russia.

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Pro-Russian rebels instantly blamed the event on a ‘provocation’ by the Ukrainian military. This is the same word I’ve heard so often in recent months in Ukraine from those in thrall to the Kremlin.

It was used first to justify Moscow’s illegal seizure of Crimea, then to stir up open warfare in its weary neighboring state just as it stood on the threshold of finally shaking off the legacy of its Soviet past.

Alexander Borodai, pro-Russian separatist leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic in Eastern Ukraine, said his forces did not have the means to destroy an airliner flying at an altitude  of 33,000ft.


Yet it seems unlikely that Ukraine, at last run by a convincing leader with a large and genuine mandate, would have shot down a passenger jet and thus destroyed its own global reputation.

Instead, one interior ministry official in Kiev said the aircraft was hit by a rocket fired from a Buk launcher.

These sophisticated weapons, launched from motorised platforms equipped with radar, were developed 35 years ago by the Soviets to destroy planes and missiles flying at up to 72,000ft – and one was seen by a Western news agency in the rebel-held eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier yesterday.

Pro-Russian rebels instantly blamed the event on a 'provocation' by the Ukrainian military

Late last month, militia members from eastern Ukraine also told Russian journalists that they had taken control of an unspecified number of these anti-aircraft weapons.

It was also reported that a second rebel leader bragged on social media about destroying another plane. Already this week, a Ukrainian military transporter has been downed with a missile, possibly fired from the Russian side of the Ukrainian border, along with two SU-25 fighter jets.

In recent days, Ukrainian officials have blamed Russia for assaults on their troops, alleging that the air force jet downed on Wednesday was hit by a missile fired from a Russian military aircraft.

Kiev has also accused Russian staff officers of openly taking part in military operations against their forces, while Nato said earlier this week that Moscow had boosted its forces on the border to about 12,000 troops.

General Philip Breedlove, Nato’s supreme allied commander in Europe, believes Moscow has been supplying the pro-Russian rebels with anti-aircraft weapons, and teaching them how to operate them in training sessions near the border.

All these events underline the tensions as Ukraine under its new president, Petro Poroshenko – an oligarch nicknamed the ‘Chocolate King’ after making a fortune from confectionery – seeks to quell a Russian-inspired insurgency that began four months ago.

Before yesterday’s crash, the United Nations said the conflict has caused more than 400 deaths and displaced tens of thousands of families.

The destruction of the plane could not have come at a worse moment.

The rebels, forced out of their stronghold of Slavyansk, have fallen back to Donetsk, eastern Ukraine’s biggest city, and were pleading with Russian president Vladimir Putin to come to their rescue.

One Russian newspaper with strong Kremlin ties quoted official sources saying the Russian authorities were weighing up ‘retaliatory strikes’.
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The U.S. imposed sanctions on oil, gas and financial firms linked to Putin, along with eight arms manufacturers including the maker of Kalashnikov assault rifles (file picture)

On Wednesday, the US showed its frustration with Moscow’s continued trouble-making by imposing a new round of sanctions. Targets include oil, gas and financial firms linked to Putin, along with eight arms manufacturers including the maker of Kalashnikov assault rifles.

Yet even while Putin spluttered with outrage in response, several of the targets of those sanctions responded by crowing that it was business as usual.
The big question is what happens if it is proved Putin’s friends in eastern Ukraine have shot down a civilian passenger jet filled with families, holiday makers and business travellers?

Will the West finally respond with the ruthless decisiveness required to put a power-crazy president back in his box, or will they continue to allow him to sow death and destruction as he acts out his Tsarist fantasies of restoring Russian hegemony over swathes of eastern Europe?





63 comments:

  1. There is little the West can do against a man who thinks he is invincible and has nukes to back him up.

    Will the French still deliver those two ships to Russia?

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    1. Maybe Europe could turn down it's thermostats and cut down on russia oil?

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    2. Hell, maybe they'll gift 'em to the Israeli. Yesterday the French were going to be Israel's new "Sugar Daddy".
      Today you guys talk like France is a whore.

      What a difference a day makes.

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  2. I hate to inform the boys at the Daily Mail of this, But 'Bammy ain't coming.

    No War For You.

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    1. He just causes wars; he don't fight'em.

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  3. Colin Powell:Let me begin by playing a tape for you. What you're about to hear is a conversation that my government monitored. It takes place on November 26 of last year, on the day before United Nations teams resumed inspections in Iraq.

    The conversation involves two senior officers, a colonel and a brigadier general, from Iraq's elite military unit, the Republican Guard.

    (BEGIN AUDIO TAPE) Speaking in Arabic.

    (END AUDIO TAPE) POWELL: Let me pause and review some of the key elements of this conversation that you just heard between these two officers. ...

    Full Tet of Colin Powell speech to UN

    On Feb. 5, 2003, then-Secretary of State General Colin Powell addressed the United Nations Security Council.
    His message was clear: Iraq possessed extremely dangerous weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein was systematically trying to deceive U.N. inspectors by hiding prohibited weapons.
    A decade later, ... Col. Lawrence Wilkerson — who prepared the U.N. speech, only to later renounce it


    =Decade After Iraq WMD Speech at UN, Ex-Powell Aide Lawrence Wilkerson

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  4. Lie After Lie After Lie

    As much criticism as Powell has gotten for this -- he calls it "painful" and says, "I get mad when bloggers accuse me of lying" -- it hasn't been close to what he deserves. That's because there's no question that Powell was consciously lying: he fabricated "evidence" and ignored repeated warnings that what he was saying was false.

    We know this because of some good reporting and what's seeped into the public record via one of the congressional investigations of pre-war Iraq intelligence. The record is still incomplete, because Congress never bothered to look at how Powell used the intelligence he received, and the corporate media has never taken a close look at what happened. But with what's available we can go through Powell's presentation line by line to demonstrate the chasm between what he knew and what he told the world. As you'll see, there's quite a lot to say about it.

    Powell's speech can be found on the archived State Department website here. All other sources are linked below.

    PUBLIC CERTAINTY, PRIVATE DOUBT

    On that February 5 in front of the UN Security Council, was Colin Powell certain what he was saying was accurate? He certainly was:

    POWELL: My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.

    Later, regarding whether Iraq had reconstituted a nuclear weapons program, he said:

    POWELL: [T]here is no doubt in my mind...

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  5. Cell phones and YouTube, no one could false flag those.
    Not possible ?

    Ever watch Sidney Lumet's "Fail Safe"? Kubrick's "Doctor Strangelove"?

    They were not in a real B52, they had "Call signs" and recorded messages.
    That was what 1964 ...

    No way the Ukrainians or anyone else could match that in 2014, let's get serious.
    That is not 'evidence' that is just smoke and mirrors, not evidence.

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    1. You fellas take that missile launcher over there, dress in these clothes and use these phones.
      Sam, your code name is "Bruno", Billy Bob, you are "Major"

      The plane will be overhead in 90 minutes, let's not fuck this up!

      Then turning to his signal tech the 'commander' asks
      "You ready to record the conversations? Williams and Jones are going to video the missile launch, we'll need to upload it ASAP after the plane comes down!"

      "No worries, Boss!"

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    2. "The plane will be overhead in 90 minutes, let's not fuck this up!"

      That is 'dialog'

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  6. Obama is just like every other one of our tinhorn, asshole presidents. He just can't stop himself from dicking around in crazytown.

    Eventually, I'm afraid, he's going to get us caught smack-dab, dead in the middle of one of these shitstorms. And, god help us that we don't get locked in one of these messes with the freakin' bear.

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  7. Hillary and Strobe Talbott are on the record, it's the Russians fault.

    Case closed.

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    1. Yeah, it wuz the roosians, the whole time.

      They're the ones that overthrew that Russian-leaning, Popularly-Elected President, and installed the candy man.

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    2. I guess after the Marine Corps Band plays "Hail to the Chief" for you for about the 200th time, you just can't help but start thinking about Obama the Great (or, Hillary the Great, or John F'n Kerry the Great, or Dick Cheney the Great, or . . . .

      fuck it, just put the name of your favorite wannabe Imperialist asshole here ___________ .)

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    3. The dangerous part about Obama is that he's, evidently, never miscalculated, and had some old boy clean his clock.

      He seems to think that he can just keep dancing around the edges of this shit, and never get cold-cocked. He's been incredibly lucky, so far, but lucky streaks end. And, usually, in the most spectacular, and painful way possible.

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  8. I was ready to post a youtube Video of the “Israeli Knock". Supposedly, it is a warning shot before an artillery hit. I watched the video and it is in fact a double-tap. Anyone seeing it or hearing it hit, would run towards it to help those hit. IMO, being used in a residential area, it is clearly a weapon of terror and the Israeli authorities should be tried for war crimes. These people are better than terrorists themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdsXW-f-utY

    Unfortunately, the video has been removed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdsXW-f-utY

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    1. Everything Israel does is a war crime to you....

      How about the 1500 rockets that hamas shot in 10 days? How about aiming at Dimona? How about the group of terrorists that popped up in israel from a tunnel all set to attack a small village to murder the civilians?

      No, you have your agenda, you support all means to kill Israelis. Nothing is wrong with hamas using IED's, sniping, bombing schools, hiding weapons in homes and schools...

      Well Deuce, Hamas are actually terrorists, they hide in civilian homes. they force civilians not to leave...

      they own it..

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  9. No need to guess, who had it removed.

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    1. NBC yanked that reporter that witnessed, and reported on the 4 children, killed on the beach, yesterday.

      There's not a reporter, or commentator that I've seen that has done anything but sing from the Israeli hymnbook since this thing started - except for that one guy, of course, and as I said, He's gone.

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    2. better they should just take out the building as it is a military target.

      no warning needed...

      nitwit

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    3. Well, it's great for blogging. A 3 ring circus, going full blast. Iraq, Gaza, and Ukraine. And, the Central American kids are sneaking in, under the tent. What a Show !! :)

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    4. I love to watch those videos of those "civilian" palestinian homes being bombed... Not the 1st explosion but the much larger secondary ones... you know the ones when the rockets and bombs go off...

      Always a pleasure to see an ammo dump blow up that is being disguised as a innocents home....

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    5. Supposedly, it is a warning shot before an artillery hit. I watched the video and it is in fact a double-tap. Anyone seeing it or hearing it hit, would run towards it to help those hit. IMO, being used in a residential area, it is clearly a weapon of terror and the Israeli authorities should be tried for war crimes.


      tell you what, 1st let's see the hamas leaders and member arrested and tried for war crimes for intentionally shooting rockets into cities on purpose...

      Oh no?

      well war is hell and hamas owns it...

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  10. Ah, the crazies found us. Time for beddie bye. I'm sure they'll have plenty of bombs left tomorrow morning. :)

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  11. The good old "Follow On" shot.

    Now called the "Double Tap".

    It used to depend on how rapid the second round was fired.
    Bang bang, that was a "Double Tap"

    Bang - give it a minute for the first responders to arrive - bang. That was a "Follow On".

    The Israeli used to rant and rave when the Palestinians bombers used the "Follow On" technique.
    "Bad Form!" they would exclaim.
    Now, it's their SOP.

    But still, it's not much worse than the Boko Haram.

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    1. I call bullshit from the Jackrat traitor..

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    2. Who cares who you call or what you call them "O"rdure?

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    3. I mean, you are an Israeli, and here is nothing worse than that.

      In all the world, the Arabs of Israel are the scum.

      Now if you were a European, well thatd be different, but Israelis are all Arabs, Semites.
      Scum of the Earth

      ;-)

      Have a nightmare tonight and a shitty tomorrow,

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    4. .

      And the voice of the rat is heard in the land.

      And the world once again cringes.

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    5. "I mean, you are an Israeli, and there is nothing worse than that."

      There we go. That's a keeper. I am going to store that one.

      Jack "Hamasass PsychoRat of the Desert" Hawkins puts it in one concise line.


      His whole outlook. Simple, ignorant, unbelievably irrational.

      No wonder most people can't stand him.



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    6. Stored for later reference, if needed.

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  12. .

    Utash was 54 years old and weighed 155 pounds when he was attacked. He was beaten after he did what many drivers don’t: He stopped to check on a child he accidentally hit with his truck.

    He was beaten so severely that doctors had to place him in a medically induced coma for 10 days. Within weeks, police found only four of the 12 to 20 men — and one teen — who set upon him near the corner of Morang and Balfour.

    The men pleaded guilty, and their sentences — the last one announced in court yesterday — totaled 7.6 years.

    So the bottom line is this: Utash, who was nearly killed by a mob on Detroit’s east side, will spend more time recuperating than the men who beat him will spend in prison.

    And that’s a damn shame.

    The most troubling words in this entire case — from April until now — came from Wayne County Circuit Court Judge James Callahan when he sentenced 19-year-old Latrez Cummings to six months as part of a youth program that could one day erase his record completely. Callahan almost casually dismissed Cummings’ actions by saying “ We’ve all been 19 years of age,” according to news reports. And he said that Cummings needed a father in his life.


    http://www.freep.com/article/20140718/COL10/307180019/steve-utash-beating-sentences

    Over the last couple of years, we have been losing judges right and left around here as they have been kicked off the bench by the judicial tenure commission for everything from misconduct, to fraud, to corruption, to sexual misconduct with defendants. Hopefully, Callahan will be the next to go.

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  13. .

    For what it's worth, one man's view on Israel and the subject of apartheid.

    Don’t Accuse Israel of Apartheid

    Israel is not a perfect state, but it is nothing like apartheid South Africa, says a writer who has lived in both countries.

    Living in apartheid South Africa, as I did, was easy in moral terms. Living in Israel, as I do now, is difficult.

    In apartheid South Africa the choice was clear and beyond escape: It was good versus evil. Apartheid, apartness, which meant racial segregation and discrimination enforced by the white minority on the country’s black, colored and Asian peoples, was wrong and inhuman, denying freedom and stunting and destroying lives. The problem for concerned people was not merely to do the obvious thing and reject apartheid, but to decide what to do about it. That is, how far to go in opposing it against an increasingly tyrannous government: from being a passive bystander to imperiling your liberty, even life.

    In Israel, the moral choices are many and complex and are a daily challenge. Each of the two main competing groups, Jews and Arabs, has right on its side, through history, land, religion, geography, and tradition. The dilemma is how to satisfy their separate demands and aspirations for a tiny piece of land. The problem is bedevilled because in the long struggle between them, neither side has always behaved well, inflicting death and destruction on the other.

    Each side believes that it is in the right, and each side fears and rejects the other. Jews and Arabs are a mirror image of each other: each believes that force is the only language that the other understands; each believes that the other is trying to wipe it out. That there is some truth in these beliefs on both sides adds to the complexities.


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/17/don-t-accuse-israel-of-apartheid.html

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    1. It isn't worth much.

      One side wants to impose Sharia on the entire world, and the other doesn't, for instance.

      And a hundred other things.

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    2. The Bard of MurdockFri Jul 18, 06:56:00 AM EDT

      For what it is worth, not much, Mr Pogrund is nothing more than an Israeli apologist with credentials to garner attention. He is convenient for Israeli propaganda, but Israel is under the control of a few hundred thousand religious and nationalist fundamentalists; they hold the ineffectual Netantyahu in the palms of their hands and have infiltrated the IDF (particularly its middle -ranking officers) so that protection is provided for the thieves who steal Palestinian land. The peaceful way to stop this fanaticism and greed is through boycotts.
      And if they are so ineffective why does Israel maintain a violent and cruel one against Gaza? We do not ask for Israelis to be treated with equal barbarity; only justice.

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    3. In an especially perceptive passage, the authors write:

      “Israel’s version of apartheid is more sophisticated than the South African version.
      South African apartheid was rudimentary, petty, primitive —
      literally black and white, clear separation, no rights.

      Israel’s apartheid is more hidden with the deceptive image of ‘democracy.’
      Palestinian citizens of Israel have the right to vote. However, in every other area they are discriminated against by law and policy.”


      http://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-apartheid-more-sophisticated-south-africas-says-new-book/12581

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  14. O goodie - Good News !

    A temporary reprieve !

    July 18, 2014
    New Islamic Caliphate Declares Jihad on...Muslims
    By Raymond Ibrahim

    The new “caliphate” of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi – the Islamic State, formerly ISIS – recently made clear that it means to follow in the footsteps of the original caliphate of Abu Bakr (632-634). It will do this specifically by directing its jihad against fellow Muslims – in Islamic parlance, the “hypocrites” and “apostates,” or in Western terminology, “moderates.”

    This came out in the context of the current conflict between Israel and Hamas, with some Muslims asking the newly formed “caliphate” when it would launch a jihad on the Jewish state.

    The Islamic State’s response? “Allah in the noble Koran does not command us to fight Israel or the Jews until we fight the apostates and hypocrites.”

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    1. On one of the Islamic State’s question-and-answer websites, it was asked “why it was not fighting Israel but instead shedding the blood of the sons of Iraq and Syria.” The new caliphate responded:

      The greater answer is in the noble Koran, when Allah Almighty speaks about the near enemy. In the majority of verses in the noble Koran, these are the hypocrites, for they pose a greater danger than the original infidels [born non-Muslims, e.g., Jews and Christians]. And the answer is found in Abu Bakr al-Sadiq, when he preferred fighting apostates over the conquest of Jerusalem [fath al-Quds], which was conquered by his successor, Omar al-Khattab.

      There’s much to be said about this response, rife as it is with historical allusions.

      First, it is true. After the prophet of Islam died, a great number of Arabian tribes that had submitted to his rule by becoming Muslims – the word muslim simply means “one who submits” – thought they could now renege, and so they apostatized in droves. This sparked the first Ridda, or “apostasy war,” waged by Abu Bakr al-Sadiq, who became the first caliph on Muhammad’s death in 632. For nearly two years, until his own death in 634, al-Sadiq's caliphate’s entire energy was focused on waging jihad on all the recalcitrant Arab tribes, forcing them by the edge of the sword to return to the fold of Islam.

      Tens of thousands of Arabs were burned, beheaded, dismembered, or crucified in the process, according to Islamic history, especially by the “Sword of Allah.” It was only afterwards, under the reign of the second caliph, Omar al-Khattab (634-644), that the great Islamic conquests against the “original infidels” – those non-Arab peoples who had never converted to Islam, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, etc. – took place.

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    2. Islam’s war on the apostate, so little known in the West, figures prominently in Islamic history. Indeed, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, one of the most influential Islamic clerics today, while once discussing the importance of killing any Muslim who apostatizes from Islam on Al Jazeera, correctly stated that “[i]f the [death] penalty for apostasy was ignored, there would not be an Islam today; Islam would have ended on the death of the prophet.”

      In short, and as the Islamic State is now arguing, the first and greatest enemy of Islam – the “nearest” enemy – is the “apostate” and “hypocrite,” for these are the most capable of subverting Islam from within.

      This phenomenon of “pious” Muslims fighting and killing “lukewarm” Muslims, or Shia and Sunni fighting one another – while the original infidel stands by or gets away – has many precedents throughout history. For example, in its response, the Islamic State further justifies not fighting Israel by saying:

      The answer is found in Salah ad-Din al-Ayubi [Saladin] and Nur ad-Din Zanki when they fought the Shia in Egypt and Syria before [addressing] Jerusalem. Salah ad-Din fought more than 50 battles before he reached Jerusalem. And it was said to Salah ad-Din al-Ayubi: “You fight the Shia and the Fatimids in Egypt and allow the Latin Crusaders to occupy Jerusalem?” And he responded: “I will not fight the Crusaders while my back is exposed to the Shia.”

      All of this history quoted by the Islamic State is meant to exonerate the new caliphate’s main assertion: “Jerusalem will not be liberated until we are done with all these tyrants, families, and pawns of colonialism that control the fate of the Islamic world.”

      Some observations:

      Although the Islamic State is trying to suggest that only autocrats like Syria’s Bashar al-Assad are “apostates” and “hypocrites,” and that most average Muslims are eager for Sharia, the fact is, a great many of the world’s Muslims fit under this rubric. The largest revolution in history, Egypt’s anti-Brotherhood revolution, attests to this. Thus, the new caliphate’s jihad is against not just tyrants, but many average Muslims as well, as the organization’s carnage in Iraq and Syria attests.

      The Islamic State’s declaration justifying non-confrontation with Israel is not winning it much popular support in the Arab world and is naturally portrayed as a cop-out. It further validates the popular Arab narrative that the United States is siding with the Islamists to create havoc in the region – to have the various sects (Sunni vs Shia, moderate vs. Islamist) fight each other in order to divide and weaken the region. Thus, Dr. Ahmed Karima, a leading professor of Islamic jurisprudence in Al Azhar, said that the Islamic State’s position concerning Israel proves that “it is a creation of U.S. and Israeli intelligence” and that the new caliphate “is the biggest of all hypocrites.”

      Alternatively, others, especially Islamists, appreciate that the Islamic State is patterning itself after the first caliphate of Abu Bakr – hence why its first caliph chose that name – because it finds itself operating in the same circumstances. Nascent and without much support, it first mission, like Abu Bakr's, is to re-subjugate Muslims to Islam. Only then can it focus on the “original infidels.”

      While this approach may be temporarily good for Israel (and all infidel states), in the long run, a fully functioning and unified caliphate with “reformed” Muslims next door is not a pretty picture. After all, the Islamic State is not exonerating the infidel, but rather saying his turn will come once the caliphate is capable of an all-out assault. At best, it’s a temporary reprieve.

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/new_islamic_caliphate_declares_jihad_onmuslims.html

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  15. >>>> Thus, Dr. Ahmed Karima, a leading professor of Islamic jurisprudence in Al Azhar, said that the Islamic State’s position concerning Israel proves that “it is a creation of U.S. and Israeli intelligence” and that the new caliphate “is the biggest of all hypocrites.”<<<<


    O bwabwabwahahahahahahardeharhar

    And we know who will grasp at this.


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    1. Heh, the United State and Israeli intelligence created IS.

      And that is why IS is.

      (in imatatio of Q)

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  16. 20 missiles found in UN-run school in Gaza.......drudge

    But, of course !

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    1. SOP, Bob

      An Arab warrior's kit is incomplete without a human shield.

      No Jew on this site believes the French or anyone else will help Israel. To state otherwise is agitprop. One Jew on this site believes Israel should tell the whole world to "fuck off". Israel needs to ride its own chute, play its own hand, and pay its own bills. I, for one will be pleased if Obama cuts off resupply of arms to Israel; we’ll start acting like Jews again instead of impecunious cousins, ala The Beverly Hillbillies.

      "Necessity... the mother of invention"
      ___Plato

      I do understand why Netanyahu et al are so reluctant to make the decisive move in Gaza: they have no strategy that contemplates a long term solution to the problem of Gaza. I’s all about today or ten days, at best. To my mind there is only one way to pacify Gaza and that is real occupation, investment, reconstruction, and education - turn the place into a Club Med, owned and operated by secular Palestinians. That’s going to take a long time, a huge investment, and some casualties, but Israel has no reasonable alternative choice. For Israel to survive, it cannot fight a war or mini-war every couple years. Gaza is as good a place as any to change the dynamics from strictly kinetic to civilizational. What an irony it would be should this cesspool eventually become the sole Arab modern, democratic investment haven.

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    2. What is "Occupation"Wed Jul 16, 11:35:00 PM EDT

      Obama is forcing Israel to turn to new allies.

      remember from 1948 to 1956 the french and others supplied israel with goodies.... america did not, in fact the only reason america started to help was it was being left out of the game...


      As Ms T noted, it seems that "O"rdure is not really a Jew.
      At least not allen's kind of Jew.

      "O"rdure is an Arab, a Semite, not allen's idea of a Jew, at this site.

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  17. Whooa, that’s a shocker. It’s unbelievable. Almost as surprising as finding some shanks hidden in a Bible in Pelican Bay. Lockdown!

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    1. :)

      At least we know there are no missiles in the mosques!

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    2. When Deuce and others are willing to countenance such behavior you are witnessing what is wrong, on the whole, with America - a complete lack of moral fiber. A moral man might sympathize with the Palestinians but would draw red lines. An immoral man will accept any behavior to advance his political agenda, included using the deaths of children - or should I say certain children. Chesterton was correct: they will come to believe anything (no matter how abhorrent to traditional, honorable values).

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    3. Just strengthens the analogy to Hays Maximum Security in prison in Georgia.

      The State of Georgia is responsible for the shanks in the prison, just as Israel is responsible for the missiles in Gaza.
      Israel created the prison atmosphere in Gaza, it now enjoys the benefits of its pat policies.
      It has sovereignty over Gaza and is to blame for the situation.

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    4. Israel created the prison atmosphere in Gaza, it now enjoys the benefits of its past policies.

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  18. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUOPs_Wd4Ks

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  19. Both pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine’s restive east and the Kyiv government have accused each other of shooting down the plane. World leaders are calling for a global inquiry into the incident.

    http://euronews.com/2014/07/18/mh17-speculation-grows-over-cause-of-malaysia-airlines-crash/

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    1. The Flight 800 investigation took 16 months.

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    1. Archie is killed and ...
      African-American superhero to become Marvel’s new Captain America


      Marvel announces Sam “The Falcon” Wilson will soon replace Steve Rogers as their Captain America.

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  21. Bob,

    Contrary to what you may have read, WiO did not say that military "goodies" should be free (which they have never been, by the way). Indeed, Israel needs additional allies and is making those in Asia via India, Australia, China, and Japan. Too long has Israel been strapped to a one-trick, lame pony. When, as I hope it will, Israel starts selling military goods to its allies, it should ignore the wailing coming from DoD and American contractors.

    WiO is a Jew. He is not a babbling, anti-Semitic, anti-American, Muslim shill.

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    1. Don't believe your lyin' eyes

      What is "Occupation"Wed Jul 16, 11:35:00 PM EDT

      Obama is forcing Israel to turn to new allies.

      remember from 1948 to 1956 the french and others supplied israel with goodies.... america did not, in fact the only reason america started to help was it was being left out of the game...


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    2. The Israeli "alliance" with the US is not symbiotic, it is parasitic.
      The Israeli take the aid, the US receives no comparative benefit.

      Israel's "new" allies will be expected to do the same, or they would be considered "Suppliers" not allies.

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  22. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lA

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  24. allenFri Jul 18, 07:10:00 AM EDT

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    No Jew on this site believes the French or anyone else will help Israel. To state otherwise is agitprop.


    allen now confirms Ms T's claim that "O"rdure is, never was a Jew.
    At least "O"rdure does not meet allen's qualification for being a Jew. Genetic, or ideological.
    Is allen disrespecting "O"rdure' mother?

    Who can tell what these Arabs really mean?

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    1. The cultural divide between Semitic Arabia and the United States is so wide, so vast ...
      Linguistic meanings are lost in translation.

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    2. When Semitic Arabians use English, as a second language, do they comprehend the true, inner meanings of what they are writing ... or is it merely agitprop.?

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