“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” - George W. Bush

All The Best


I want to thank everyone who participated in the Elephant Bar over the past twelve years. We had millions of visitors from all around the World and you were part of it. Over the past dozen years, two or three times a night, I would open my laptop and some of you were always there. I will miss that.

My plans are to continue my work with technology and architecture. You know my interests and thoughts.

At times, things would get a little rough in the EB. To those of you that I may have offended over the years, I apologize. From all of you, I learned and grew.

An elephant never forgets.
Be well.

Deuce, 21 June 2018

Monday, September 23, 2013

“I and my colleagues will take the opportunity to present the true face of Iran as a cultured and peace-loving country.” - Iranian President Hassan Rouhani

Kerry to meet Iran's foreign minister as Tehran pushes 'path of talks'
September 23, 2013 1:15PM ET

Iranian president says he will show 'true face of Iran' at UN general meeting in New York

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said Monday he would present the "true face of Iran" at the U.N. General Assembly, as Tehran and Washington signaled a renewed willingness to seek a diplomatic solution to the stalemate over Iran's nuclear program.
In comments ahead of his visit to New York, Rouhani branded U.S.-led sanctions against his country "illegal and unacceptable" but suggested that Tehran was willing to cooperate with the West to resolve the nuclear standoff.
The Iranian president's remarks came as U.S. officials confirmed that Secretary of State John Kerry would be involved in a meeting between Iran's foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, and his counterparts from the P5+1 group -- the U.S., France, Britain, Germany, China and Russia -- aimed at reviving stalled negotiations.
The meeting was announced Monday by E.U. foreign-policy chief Catherine Ashton, who has served as lead negotiator for the P5+1.
Iran maintains it is pursuing nuclear technology for peaceful ends, but the U.S. and its allies fear the program may ultimately have military goals.
Rouhani suggested Monday that he would strive to correct what he said was the distorted image of Iran presented in recent years.
"Unfortunately, in recent years the face of Iran, a great and civilized nation, has been presented in another way," Rouhani said Monday, according to comments published on his official website.
"I and my colleagues will take the opportunity to present the true face of Iran as a cultured and peace-loving country."
Rouhani did not make clear whom he blames for any distortion of Iran's image. But the comments suggest he is intent on distancing himself from the controversial, outspoken approach to the West adopted by his predecessor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The United States and its allies have imposed increasingly strict economic sanctions on Iran in recent years, partly in response to Tehran's failure to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding that it suspend uranium enrichment until queries about its nuclear work are answered to the satisfaction of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Rouhani, a nuclear negotiator under reformist president Mohammad Khatami, who preceded Ahmadinejad, admitted that sanctions against Iran have caused suffering for its people. 
"On this trip, I will try to deliver the voice of the oppressed people of Iran to the world, and we should say that sanctions are an illegal and unacceptable path," he told journalists before leaving.
"The West should opt for the path of talks and cooperation and consider mutual interests," he said.
On Monday the U.S State Department said it hoped the new government in Tehran would engage with the international community. Kerry said he welcomed Zarif's "commitment to a serious response" ahead of the pair's meeting.
Engineer a handshake
U.S. officials have left open the possibility that President Barack Obama and Rouhani could meet on the sidelines of the U.N. meeting, and a U.S. official has privately acknowledged the administration's desire to engineer a handshake between the two leaders.
Iranian judiciary spokesman Mohseni Ejei told a news conference Monday that Tehran had pardoned 80 prisoners, including some arrested over protests that followed the disputed re-election of Ahmadinejad in 2009.
Last week Iran released a dozen prominent political prisoners, including prominent human-rights lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh.
Ejei's announcement suggested that those 12 were among the 80 who were pardoned.
Al Jazeera and wire services


  1. When Rouhani speaks a different language to his predecessor, and the West seems ready to listen, Israel’s disinclination to adapt risks isolation — rather than empathy — for Jerusalem. It hardly helps, of course, that much of the West already regards Israel as being as much of an aggressor state as is Iran.

    “Respect him, but suspect him,” a common Hebrew expression advises, yet embracing ostensibly friendly gestures by enemy entities was never Netanyahu’s strong suit. That is also why his answer was rather cold when, earlier this year, the Arab League considered for the first time the possibility of mutually agreed land swaps in the framework of its Arab-Israeli peace Initiative, making a significant step toward Jerusalem’s position.

    At least Netanyahu said, at the time, that Israel agrees “to discuss any initiative that is proposed and that is not a dictate.” Iran’s current charm offensive, by contrast, is being rejected outright… at least by the prime minister. Interestingly, as so often, it has been President Shimon Peres who has been more nuanced: “The sanctions are doing their job and are influencing the leadership in Iran,” Peres said Friday. “I hope we are hearing a new voice coming from [Tehran],” he said.

    Obama would like to believe that the Syrian crisis is being solved through diplomacy, and that the Iranian threat might just be averted in the same way. Israel’s doubts are more than reasonable. But right now Rouhani is singing a new tune, and Netanyahu risks sounding like a broken record, repeating a song people would much rather not listen to anymore.


  2. TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran paraded 30 missiles with a nominal range of 2,000 kilometres (1,250 miles) Sunday, the first time it had displayed so many with the theoretical capacity to hit Israeli targets.Iran displayed 12 Sejil and 18 Ghadr missiles at the annual parade marking the anniversary of the outbreak of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war.The stated range of both missiles would put not only Israel but also US bases in the Gulf within reach.But in his speech at the parade, President Hassan Rowhani insisted the weaponry on show was for defensive purposes only.



    1. Israel Fires Missiles In Mediterranean
      Russia's missile early warning system spots two launches heading towards Syria, before Israel admits it was carrying out a test.

      Iranians missile are on trailers in the street, Israel's are in the air.
      Which are for defense, which for offensive?

      The Israeli have many more offensive missiles than the Iranians.

      The Israeli lied to reporters about US involvement in the firing of the missiles.

      Despite reports that Israel had claimed the launch was a joint test with America, a US Navy spokesman said no missiles had been fired from any of its ships in the Mediterranean.


    2. Got to love the moron that calls the State of Israel "the Israeli"

      Shows a grasp of issues not seen since David Duke commented on race relations in America.

  3. Just a couple weeks ago...

    As Congress debates whether to support President Obama’s call for a limited strike against Syria for the alleged use of chemical weapons, Iran is vowing to back Bashar al-Assad’s regime to the hilt and threatening to unleash terrorism should the U.S. strike.

    Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s Quds Forces, Wednesday told the Assembly of Experts — the body that chooses the supreme leader — that “[w]e will support Syria to the end.”

    And in an unprecedented statement, a former Iranian official has warned of mass abductions and brutal killings of American citizens around the world and the rape and killing of one of Obama’s daughters should the United States attack Syria.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/05/iran-threatens-brutal-attacks-on-americans-obama-family-if-us-hits-syria/#ixzz2flm2f7S8


    1. Operation Samson: Israel's Deployment of Nuclear Missiles on Subs from Germany

      Many have wondered for years about the exact capabilities of the submarines Germany exports to Israel. Now, experts in Germany and Israel have confirmed that nuclear-tipped missiles have been deployed on the vessels. And the German government has long known about it. By SPIEGEL

      former top German officials have admitted to the nuclear dimension for the first time. "I assumed from the very beginning that the submarines were supposed to be nuclear-capable," says Hans Rühle, the head of the planning staff at the German Defense Ministry in the late 1980s. Lothar Rühl, a former state secretary in the Defense Ministry, says that he never doubted that "Israel stationed nuclear weapons on the ships." And Wolfgang Ruppelt, the director of arms procurement at the Defense Ministry during the key phase, admits that it was immediately clear to him that the Israelis wanted the ships "as carriers for weapons of the sort that a small country like Israel cannot station on land." Top German officials speaking under the protection of anonymity were even more forthcoming. "From the beginning, the boats were primarily used for the purposes of nuclear capability," says one ministry official with knowledge of the matter.

      Offensive or defensive, only Netanyahu knows for sure.

    2. Well heck if it was offensive? they would have nuked the evil iranians years ago...

    3. You must be joking! Neil Patel is the publisher and the co-founder of The Daily Caller.

      Patel was a college roommate of Tucker Carlson.

      Patel served as Scooter Libby's deputy before becoming chief policy advisor to Vice President Dick Cheney.

      Patel was nominated by the Bush White House to run the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, but he was not confirmed and after leaving Cheney’s office, Patel co-founded The Daily Caller.

      Patel and Scooter Libby: No Neocons there.

    4. Israel good :: Iran Evil

      How do we know?

      Israel tells us so.

    5. Paul Wolfowitz said that Scooter Libby was one of “the least partisan individuals” he knew.

      Libby’s wife is a liberal Democrat, who prior to going to work for Wolfie worked on the political campaign of Sen. Abraham Ribicoff of CT– another Dem.

      Leonard Garment worked with Libby on the Marc Rich case, the fugitive financier who was dedicated to Israel, and was pardoned by Clinton.

      At the time, Natan Sharansky, an Israeli extremist, met with Libby officially and in private.

      The success of the neocons was not just based on the force of their ideas, but their membership in a Jewish segment of the establishment and blossomed in the Clinton Administration, which David Frum called the most “philosemitic” administration in history.

      Great source for unbiased opinion on Iranian intentions.

    6. Jenny, I suggest you get that fat ass of yours over to Gaza and start being an Islamic comfort gal...

  4. The talks come as tensions between Tehran and the West appeared to have eased in recent days, with Dr Rouhani saying he is ready for talks over Iran's disputed nuclear programme. Dr Rouhani, who has vowed to reach out to the world, has said his own UNGA appearance may be a chance to start a new round of nuclear negotiations.


    Mr Hague said he and Mr Zarif had agreed on the need to restart talks on the nuclear programme between Iran and the E3+3 group consisting of the United States, Russia, China, the United Kingdom, France and Germany. He added that Iran could play a "constructive role" by backing negotiations to end fighting in Syria, which is in the spotlight for alleged chemical weapons use by President Assad's forces in a conflict that has killed more than 100,000 people.

    Iran provides personnel, equipment, weapons and financial assistance to the regime.

    1. Germany provides nuclear weapons launch platforms to Israel.

    2. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons-on-german-built-submarines-a-836784.html

    3. Yep Israel is a well respected nation in the world, not a crazy bat shit nation like Iran.

      Sorry if Israel doesnt float your boat. But MOST of the world trades, respects and has relations with Israel.

      Regardless of meaningless public diatribes? Most of the Islamic world has contacts & trade with Israel.

    4. Yes you now confirm what the desert rat has previously mentioned there is an Israeli-Wahhabi Axis.

      Why would anyone be proud of Israel's relationship to state sponsors of terrorists in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the rebels in Syria?

    5. "Why would anyone be proud of Israel's relationship to state sponsors of terrorists in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the rebels in Syria?"

      Please be specific where I said that?

      Otherwise rat? Shut the fuck up.

    6. What is "Occupation"Mon Sep 23, 11:10:00 PM EDT

      Yep Israel is a well respected nation in the world, not a crazy bat shit nation like Iran

      Poll: Israel viewed negatively around the world
      05/17/2012 02:46

      BBC survey measures public opinion on 22 countries, places Israel in company of North Korea, ahead of only Iran, Pakistan…

      Israel retained its position as one of the world's most negatively-viewed countries, according to BBC's annual poll published Wednesday night.

      With 50 percent of respondents ranking Israel negatively, Israel keeps company with North Korea, and places ahead of only Iran (55% negative) and Pakistan (51% negative)…

      …Negative perceptions of Israel in EU countries have continue to rise, reaching 74% in Spain (up 8%), 65% in France (up 9%), while in Germany and Britain the negative views remain high but stable (69% and 68% respectively). In other Anglo countries, perceptions of Israel are worsening, including in Australia (65%), and Canada (59%).

      Loved and respected.

    7. Just like President Obama!


    8. Jenny: BBC survey measures public opinion on 22 countries, places Israel in company of North Korea, ahead of only Iran, Pakistan…


      A PUBLIC OPINION poll.. Now that's research..

  5. The Iranians show their weapons to the world, the Israeli lie and dissemble about theirs

    1. The Iranians threaten to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.

      Israel doesnt threaten anyone that doesnt threaten them...

      Kinda the DEFINITION of defensive weapons...

    2. Must suck to be an Iranian supporter...

    3. Must suck to be an Israeli supporter…

    4. It does suck to be an Israeli or an Iranian ...

      To be their jock strap, even worse

    5. Jenny, Naw...

      Israel is a great nation.

      Pluralistic, democratic, safe, embraces freedom and justice.



      I suggest you move to Iran asap. they have a crane with your name on it...

  6. The meeting on Thursday will be the first since P5+1 nuclear talks stalled after an April round in Almaty, Kazakhstan. Rouhani last month made a potentially important shift by designating the foreign ministry to lead nuclear talks with world powers instead of security officials.

    State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the US hopes the new Iranian government “will engage substantively with the international community to reach a diplomatic solution to Iran’s nuclear program and to cooperate fully” with the International Atomic Energy Agency —the UN nuclear watchdog — in its investigation.

    “We remain ready to work with Iran should the Rouhani administration choose to engage seriously,” she said.

  7. In parts of US and Israel, Iran’s Ahmadinejad is sorely missed

    Why will his absence be mourned as new Iranian President Hassan Rouhani gears up for his UN debut?

    By Dan Murphy, Staff writer/ CS Monitor / September 23, 2013

    If you wanted war with Iran over its nuclear program, former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was your man.

    Holocaust denial, suggestions that Israel needs to "vanish from the page of time," vows that no one could stop the Islamic Republic if it wanted a nuclear weapon, and claims that a nefarious cabal inside the US government was behind the 9-11 attacks on New York and Washington – he seemed to relish inflammatory rhetoric whenever he had the world's attention.

    One of Mr. Ahmadinejad's favorite venues for such comments was the annual United Nations General Assembly in New York, and from 2005 until last year, he rarely missed a chance to stir the pot.

    To be fair, President George W. Bush's infamous "axis of evil" speech (that named Iran, along with Iraq and North Korea) was only three years earlier – not exactly the sort of thing to reduce international tension itself. Nevertheless, Ahmadinejad's choice of words throughout his time as president not only kept tension simmering, but was also cited as evidence that Iran couldn't be negotiated with over its nuclear program or anything else. The only thing that would deter the country from its chemical weapons program (that Iran insists does not exist) was force, the argument went. "Just listen to that guy!" was the refrain. "He's crazy and dangerous."

    So the replacement of Ahmadinejad with Hassan Rouhani, a political rival who favors deescalation with the US and more diplomatic rhetoric, would be good news, right?

    Not for everyone, apparently. The Obama administration may be considering positive gestures of their own towards the new Iranian president (a White House spokesman today said that a meeting between Obama and Rouhani, the first between a US and Iranian president in 33 years, hadn't been ruled out), but Israel and many friends of Israel are deeply alarmed at the prospect.

    As Mark Landler wrote in The New York Times yesterday ahead of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech tomorrow at the UN: "The Israeli government, clearly rattled by the sudden talk of a diplomatic opening, offered a preview Sunday of Mr. Netanyahu’s hard-edged message, in which he will set the terms for what would be acceptable to Israel in any agreement concerning Iran’s nuclear ambitions. 'A bad agreement is worse than no agreement at all,' the Israeli official said, reading a statement from the prime minister’s office that he said reflected Mr. Netanyahu’s remarks."

    In a statement last week, Mr. Netanyahu said: "The Iranians are continuing to deceive so that the centrifuges continue spinning. The real test lies in the Iranian regime’s actions, not words... while Rouhani sits down for interviews, he also continues to move ahead with the nuclear program. The Iranian regime’s goal is to reach a deal that would require it to give up an insignificant part of its nuclear program, while allowing it to … charge forward quickly toward (acquiring) a nuclear weapon whenever it chooses.



  8. {…}

    Pro-Israel hawks in Congress see it similarly. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, (R) of Florida, said it would be a mistake for President Barack Obama to sit down with Rouhani when he's in the US this week. Supporters of dialogue think the new Iranian president offers an opportunity for constructive engagement absent for years, but she says that Rouhani's friendly words mask sinister intentions.

    "Rouhani is a master of deceit who has been putting on an all-out charm offensive since he took office, replacing Ahmadinejad. In many ways Rouhani is much more dangerous than Ahmadinejad," she said in a statement. "At least with Ahmadinejad you get what you see – his hatred for Israel and the United States is not disguised with rhetoric or spurious gestures of goodwill... The Administration must not fall for this charm offensive, and must increase the pressure on the regime with more sanctions until Iran completely abandons its nuclear pursuit and dismantles its program."

    So in her view, Rouhani's comments are all about concealment and deception, evidence that he is untrustworthy and the only way to deal with Iran is to demand its total capitulation – even before Iran's leader can get a face to face with the US president.

    Is that likely to be forthcoming? It hasn't happened for decades yet.

  9. Let's see Iran stop arming Hezbollah.

    Let's see Iran open up BOTH it's uranium and plutonium processing sites.

    Let's see Iran answer the IAEA's questions directly about it's missile war head development.

    Let's see Iran accept Israel as a full member of the United Nations.

    Let's see Iran call for direct peace with America.

    Let's see Iran stop the arming of Hamas.

    Let's see Iran stop the aiding, arming and in some cases fighting in syria.

    Til then?

    It's a handjob.

    1. Why should the Iranians stop arming its allies?

      Should the US and Germany stop arming Israel?
      Should the US stop arming the Saudi?
      Stop arming Jordon?
      Withdraw the US military from Kuwait and Bahrain?
      Withdraw the US military from Afghanistan?
      Withdraw from the Persian Gulf to guarantee the security of Iranian commercial jets?
      Apologize and pay restitution for the 1953 coup de etat?
      Apologize and pay restitution for supplying Saddam with the chemical weapons used against Iran when Reagan was President?

      Would that be an adequate quid pro quo?

    2. Should the US dismantle its nuclear program as part of the quid pro quo?

      5,113 nuclear warheads are more than what is needed for a "defensive" posture.

    3. Should the US, England, France and Israel dismantle their nuclear programs in the pursuit of peace?
      Should the US place economic sanctions on Israel if it refuses to move towards disarmament?

      The stated goal of the US is to eliminate nuclear weapons.
      US Presidents, both Reagan and Obama have made public statements that eliminating nuclear weapons everywhere on earth is US policy objective.

      Should the US use force to obtain it?

    4. Iran is not on parity with the USA

      It cannot even provide decent building codes for it's citizens.

      If it's got the cash, billions, to supply terror groups across the world? It should provide basic standards of decency in it's own lands.

  10. A joint force of 800 Lebanese army soldiers and policemen began Monday to deploy in Beirut's southern suburbs, a stronghold of the Shiite Hezbollah movement, for the first time in years.


    The deployment was welcomed by Mohammed Raad, leader of Hezbollah's parliamentary bloc.

    1. Another move towards peace in the Middle East!

      How will Israel sabotage those efforts this time?

    2. Rat we all KNOW it's you. To chicken shit to post since we dont address your inane comments?

    3. I love the fact that Rat's pals, Hezbollah are getting reigned in.

      they are terrorists.. Just like rat....

  11. The Israeli have many more offensive missiles than the Iranians.

    The Israeli lied to reporters about US involvement in the firing of the missiles.


    Looks like The Rodent has gone undercover.

    1. Rat's feeling the pinch. We all KNOW what a clown he is...

      So now? He creates multiple persona's to talk to himself...

      Truly disturbing...

  12. It's turned into a farce, WiO, don't get your blood pressure up over it. No one with a brain would read this nonsense.


    1. The real farce is that chicken hawks are still allowed a seat at the table, still taken seriously when they have been consistently wrong since the fraud of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and the military escalation in Vietnam.

    2. You read it and cannot come back with a logical or realistic response that supports your desire to send the US into another war

      You've worn out the talking points from the AIPAC handbook.
      Now all you have left in your quiver, the tactics of the Hegelian Dialectic.
      Anything to keep from addressing the issues at hand.

    3. LOL.

      Rat's upset that his great Islamic fighters are nothing but blood thirsty butchers..

      Nothing to engage with the Rodent of the sands...

      He's a mouth piece for Islam.

    4. The USA is already at war with Iran. Has been for decades. May not be an all out storm the beaches war, but the USA and Iran have been at it.

      To think otherwise? naive.

    5. If you go and read the piece from the New Yorker you would see that the US was allied with the Iranians in 2001 & 02. They more helpful to the US than the Israeli in the war on the Taliban in Afghanistan.

      In the chaotic days after the attacks of September 11th, Ryan Crocker, then a senior State Department official, flew discreetly to Geneva to meet a group of Iranian diplomats. “I’d fly out on a Friday and then back on Sunday, so nobody in the office knew where I’d been,” Crocker told me. “We’d stay up all night in those meetings.” It seemed clear to Crocker that the Iranians were answering to Suleimani, whom they referred to as “Haji Qassem,” and that they were eager to help the United States destroy their mutual enemy, the Taliban. Although the United States and Iran broke off diplomatic relations in 1980, after American diplomats in Tehran were taken hostage, Crocker wasn’t surprised to find that Suleimani was flexible. “You don’t live through eight years of brutal war without being pretty pragmatic,” he said. Sometimes Suleimani passed messages to Crocker, but he avoided putting anything in writing. “Haji Qassem’s way too smart for that,” Crocker said. “He’s not going to leave paper trails for the Americans.”

      Before the bombing began, Crocker sensed that the Iranians were growing impatient with the Bush Administration, thinking that it was taking too long to attack the Taliban. At a meeting in early October, 2001, the lead Iranian negotiator stood up and slammed a sheaf of papers on the table. “If you guys don’t stop building these fairy-tale governments in the sky, and actually start doing some shooting on the ground, none of this is ever going to happen!” he shouted. “When you’re ready to talk about serious fighting, you know where to find me.” He stomped out of the room. “It was a great moment,” Crocker said.

      The coöperation between the two countries lasted through the initial phase of the war. At one point, the lead negotiator handed Crocker a map detailing the disposition of Taliban forces. “Here’s our advice: hit them here first, and then hit them over here. And here’s the logic.” Stunned, Crocker asked, “Can I take notes?” The negotiator replied, “You can keep the map.” The flow of information went both ways. On one occasion, Crocker said, he gave his counterparts the location of an Al Qaeda facilitator living in the eastern city of Mashhad. The Iranians detained him and brought him to Afghanistan’s new leaders, who, Crocker believes, turned him over to the U.S. The negotiator told Crocker, “Haji Qassem is very pleased with our coöperation.”

      The good will didn’t last. In January, 2002, Crocker, who was by then the deputy chief of the American Embassy in Kabul, was awakened one night by aides, who told him that President George W. Bush, in his State of the Union Address, had named Iran as part of an “Axis of Evil.” Like many senior diplomats, Crocker was caught off guard. He saw the negotiator the next day at the U.N. compound in Kabul, and he was furious. “You completely damaged me,” Crocker recalled him saying. “Suleimani is in a tearing rage. He feels compromised.” The negotiator told Crocker that, at great political risk, Suleimani had been contemplating a complete reëvaluation of the United States, saying, “Maybe it’s time to rethink our relationship with the Americans.” The Axis of Evil speech brought the meetings to an end. Reformers inside the government, who had advocated a rapprochement with the United States, were put on the defensive. Recalling that time, Crocker shook his head. “We were just that close,” he said. “One word in one speech changed history.”

      That's reality, it is worth the read to see the ebb and flow in the US/Iran relationship.


  13. Boobie, nice ducky slippers but they are the wrong feet.

    1. The cat pissed on them, but they still fit!

  14. "Why would anyone be proud of Israel's relationship to state sponsors of terrorists in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the rebels in Syria?"

    It's not the desert rat that called your hand What is &quot ...

    Mon Sep 23, 11:10:00 PM EDT
    ... Most of the Islamic world has contacts & trade with Israel.

    Sounds like a proud boast to this casual reader.

    Maybe you did not mean it?
    Maybe it was a lie?

    Or you do not understand what it is you are saying.

    1. Israel has no trade with Iran, obviously.
      That leaves the Wahhabi.
      The Israeli working hand in glove with Wahhabi in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
      Both of which we know had contact and trade with Israel in the continuing effort to arm the Mujaheddin terrorists. These contacts and trade dating back to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

      The Israeli have contacts with the Wahhabi terrorist groups fighting in Syria, the Israeli have flown combat air operations against the Assad regime in support of those al-Queda elements.

      These are all well document instances of the Israeli trading and having intimate contacts with the Wahhabi state sponsors of terrorist organizations around the globe.

    2. What is &quot referred to those contacts and trade between Israel and the Wahhabi state sponsors of terror with pride at Mon Sep 23, 11:10:00 PM EDT.

      His cards, they're a busted flush.

    3. yawn, still setting up his own weird pot induced logic...

      Israel is a great nation.

      Rat is a drug addicted, spy that spys on the AZ FBI and is too stupid to keep his mouth shut about his own spying on USA government agencies.

    4. AnonymousTue Sep 24, 02:40:00 AM EDT
      What is &quot referred to those contacts and trade between Israel and the Wahhabi state sponsors of terror with pride at Mon Sep 23, 11:10:00 PM EDT.

      His cards, they're a busted flush.

      By this logic America and most of the world is guilty.

      Good enough for America, Russia, China, the EU and every member state of the UN. But if Israel enjoys the same international standing? it's an issue.

      One standard for Israel and no standards for any other nation on the planet eh?

  15. I am in Iran often, as an American leader of Custom Cultural Travel. and may I share the two most often comment I hear from Iranians (I do speak Farsi))
    They see as a sign of that dis-respect.The fact that they are surrounded by Nuclear bearing countries.

    Even more importantly they realize that launching a nuclear would be suicide..We have over 6,000 nuclear warheads. Israel has how many? So, even as the great cartoonist at the UN scribbled his perpetual warning.Of Iran’s ‘imminent' threat..,.do you really think that Iran doesn't realize that before the "nuclear" techie dresses in his uniform in the morning, we will know where he is going. Meanwhile our great ally builds settlements in the face of Kerry.

    Please stop already with this Khameni has all the power. Tired and mis-understood.Pronouncements. He is not alone in an Ivory Minaret. He is surrounded by savvy Mullahs sitting at their computers in Qum. Do you really think that Khameni was unaware of Rouhan’s objectives?

    Do not think for one moment, the sanctions have forced the willing voice of Rouhani. I have seen the Iranian government building more middle-class housing than we have in new York...not to mention new subways, train rails, better and FREE health & education..plus their trade is keeping Chinese, Indian, Pakistan, Turkish..et al factories busy trading with Iran, while our workers can't find jobs..The only people we have hurt are the innocent civil society..which it’s unbelievable still remain the most pro-American people in any country I've visited, and not just the Middle East..

    There's a new glitch in the world politic which someone ought to tell Bibi... Russia. Wonder what Putin would do when his intelligence in Israel (and they are there Folks) if Israel decides to take things” in their own hands'?

    P.S. He just appointed two women as vice-Presidents, as he promised in his platform What are our culturally deprived Administration waiting.

    1. You married an Iranian?

    2. I take it as a sign of disrespect that the Iranians chant Death To America, Death To Israel, Death To France, Death To England, Death To Warmongers.

    3. I take it as a sign of disrespect that they've killed all Christians, Jews, and are working on the Ba'Hais

      Around here, only Quirk is capable of dealing with Rouhani.

      He used to sell Persian rugs through RugsRUsPBUus.

    4. There was an American woman in our neighborhood who married an Iranian. Wasn't long, he beat the crap out of her.

      Take care what you say and do, and always obey.

    5. I take that as a sign of disrespect, getting the crap beat out of you, not the disobeying.

    6. great housing in Iran.. Just dont have an earthquake...

  16. Golly, I spend a few hours away and old quot has another of his meltdown rant sessions.

    His life is centered on the desert rat.
    Even when the rat is not engaged.

    How sweet it is, to have successfully mind fucked that fella

    1. Looks like Rodent has burrowed back UP from under the sand, where he was above.

  17. Jenny wrote, "Negative perceptions of Israel in EU countries have continue to rise."

    European perceptions of Jews were pretty bad during the 1933-1945 period as well. If nothing else, the Europeans have been consistent for centuries concerning the "Jewish Problem."

    All the really matters, though, is American perceptions. Not less than 75% of Americans support Israel. It is painful, I know, but there you have it. ;-)

    1. Well, quot was not speaking to American perceptions.

      As for the perceptions oft he people of the US, they are changing with the times.
      AIPAC went out in force for US intervention in Syria, they were handed their hat.

      Now the Israeli agents in the US are still clamoring for the US to engage in Middle Eastern combat.
      And getting no where, fast.

      Times they are a changing ...

  18. Oh, and to our Anonymous Farmer Fudd,
    As his coach and mentor quot has repeatedly told him, and us ...

    Christians. quot says, in the Middle East are nothing but NAZIs that are not worthy of humanitarian aid.
    desert rat would disagree, bu the AIPAC agent has stated their case.
    As an AIPAC member you should get on board or resign that membership, turn in your ID card and decoder ring.

    1. In the AIPAC agent's world, those Christians are less than human!.
      Those Christians are considered to be the equivalent of non-viable tissue masses in the bellies of Jewish mothers.

      Worthy only of being flushed down the toilet.
      20,000 per year take that trip in Israel, been doing so year after year since the 1970's

  19. From a historical perspective, an Israeli calling someone a terrorist ...

    The pot calling the kettle black

  20. A Nun Lends a Voice of Skepticism on the Use of Poison Gas by Syria

    ADONIS, Lebanon — When Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, wanted to bolster his argument that rebels had carried out the poison gas attacks near Damascus on Aug. 21, he pointed to the work of a 61-year-old Lebanese-born nun who had concluded that the horrifying videos showing hundreds of dead and choking victims, including many children, had been fabricated ahead of time to provide a pretext for foreign intervention.

    “Mr. Lavrov is an intelligent person,” said the nun, Mother Agnes Mariam of the Cross, with a wide smile in a recent interview in this Lebanese mountain town. “He will never stick his name to someone who is saying stupidities.”

    Mother Agnes, who had lived in Syria for years, has no expertise or training in chemical weapons forensics or filmmaking, and although she was in Damascus at the time of the attacks, she did not visit the sites or interview victims. Still, her assertions — she does not say which side made the videos — have significantly raised her once modest profile as the longtime superior of the Monastery of St. James the Mutilated, a Melkite Greek Catholic monastery in central Syria.

    Who do we believe, the Christian, Muslim or Jew?

    The terrorists or the nun?

  21. .

    The Daily Show homage to Monsanto and its patent attorneys.



  22. He warned that the United States “will not tolerate the development or use of weapons of mass destruction.” But, he said, an agreement to open Iran’s nuclear program to international scrutiny could lead to better relations.

    The exploratory effort will begin in earnest this week with a meeting at the United Nations between Iran’s foreign minister and Secretary of State John F. Kerry, one of the highest-level contacts between the two countries in years.

    “I am directing John Kerry to pursue this effort with the Iranian government, in close coordination with the European Union, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia and China,” Obama said Tuesday. “The roadblocks may prove to be too great, but I firmly believe the diplomatic path must be tested.”

    White House officials have also not ruled out a meeting — or an informal encounter — between Obama and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, elected earlier this year on a platform promising to repair the Islamic republic’s relations with Europe and the United States.

    Mr Obama is moving steadily forward on the diplomatic path to peace, bless him and all the peacemakers.

    Notice that the President did not include the Israelis on the list of nations that the US will be working in coordination with.
    He might have, had not the Israeli Prime Minister ordered his envoys to boycott the UN.

    As Mosha Dayan so aptly said, many years ago ...
    Israel cannot afford to stand against the entire world and be denounced as the aggressor.

    The current leadership of Israel is ignoring these wise words and puts our people in peril.

  23. Not all Israeli politicians are as ignorant as the Prime Minister. In fact there are some that see the way forward to a safe and secure Israel, one that can develop in peace and prosperity. No longer forced by circumstance to maintain a war time economy in perpetuity.

    Finance Minister Yair Lapid came out against Netanyahu's order, against his overall Iran policy and against his policy toward Rohani in particular. In a statement, Lapid said that it would be a mistake for the Israeli delegation to boycott the Iranian leader's speech.

    "Israel does not need to be perceived as a serial refuser of negotiations, who is not interested in solutions on the road to peace. We should let the Iranians be the refusers of peace, and not look like the ones who aren't open to change."

    Bless Mr Lapid for listening to the historic voices of reason, from men like General Dayan and Mr Rabin, as well as the new music emanating from Iran.

    “I’m happy to listen to any new music coming from Iran, but this has to be backed by not only words, but also by deeds.”

    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/09/yair-lapid-rouhani-iran-nuclear-syria-agreement-peres.html#ixzz2fq0V9nnc

  24. The turds are certainly flowing UP the sewer line today.

    1. You certainly are both feces and anal-centric, Anonymous.

    2. Shit for Brains-R-Us

  25. Hey fellas the Brazilians are still pissed at the US!

    Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff used her address before the United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday to sharply criticize the United States over allegations that the National Security Agency has spied on her government.

    Rousseff, who spoke before President Obama had arrived in the hall for today's meeting of world leaders, said the United States violated human rights and international law through its surveillance programs, which she said illegally captured Brazilians' communications, including her own e-mails.

    "We face … a situation of grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties; of invasion and capture of confidential information concerning corporate activities, and especially of disrespect to national sovereignty of my country,"

    She said the United Nations must play a leading role in the effort to regulate the conduct of the United States.

    "The problem, however, goes beyond a bilateral relationship. It affects the international community itself and demands a response from it,"

  26. Obama Offered to meet.

    UNITED NATIONS -- UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Senior U.S. officials say President Barack Obama and Iranian President Hasan Rouhani will not meet while both leaders are at the United Nations.

    The officials say a meeting proved to be too complicated for the Iranians. But they say work is under way at the staff level to resolve an impasse over Iran's nuclear program.

    U.S. and Iranian leaders have not met in 36 years.

    The officials insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the decision publicly.

    You can't blame the man that Offered to talk.

    1. .

      I started to answer your second post below, Ruf, but I see it's cluttered up by the peanut gallery again.

      I think we should have open, direct, diplomatic relations with all countries, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, all nations. If you don't want to have an actual embassy in the country due to safety issues, that fine. Safety should always come first. However, without a presence in the country you are giving up a useful source of intelligence and understanding.

      At a minimum, the president ought to have the ability to call up any head of state he wants and talk directly.

      Not doing so, IMO, is stupid.


    2. .

      By the way, I was actually agreeing with you in a round about way.

      At least, that was what I started out to do.



  27. President Obama has decided that America does not stand for anything anymore.

    This is why he is willing to appease Iran.

    Simple really.

    Appeasement and stands for nothing....

    amazing what one person can do to destroy America in 5 years...

    Now go and start learning how to bow to your Iranian/Islamic masters...

    1. That is the most absurd thing I have ever read.
      Go to your room!

    2. E. Newman, AKA the Rat is the personal apologist for Iran and jihadist islam..

      No need to actually respond to him.

  28. When you offer to talk, the other side will either say, yes, or no. Either way, you learn something.

    If you never make the offer, you never learn anything.

    1. quot and the expression ... learn something ...

      That is oxymoronic.

      I had read that there was a lot of angst in Iran about Rouhmani meeting with the President of the country that supplied Saddam with the chemical weapons that Iraq used in the war against Iran.

      Those weapons killed tens of thousands of Iranians and they still hold a grudge...

    2. And you KNOW about killing civilians...

      I heard that Homeland Security still has your name on it's war crimes list...

      Is that why you dont fly commercial and hide on someone else's land in AZ?

    3. What I know about killing civilians I learned from the Israeli, in Guatemala.
      They were masters of the genocide, there.

      I don't fly commercial because I am not partial to crowds of fat stinking people.
      I avoid buses, both on the ground and in the air.

      Hide, I don't hide. I live large.
      Come on out, I'll show you.

    4. What's my name?
      You said it was on a list somewhere ...

      Come on quot, don't be shown to be a liar, again ...

      What's my name?

    5. So deuce has made it clear that your specific personal information shall not be posted here.

      But we ALL know who you are. Where you live. What you do for a living and who your "friends" are.

      That wasnt hard to figure out.

  29. An excellent piece in the New Yorker.


    Iran’s leaders took two lessons from the Iran-Iraq War. The first was that Iran was surrounded by enemies, near and far. To the regime, the invasion was not so much an Iraqi plot as a Western one. American officials were aware of Saddam’s preparations to invade Iran in 1980, and they later provided him with targeting information used in chemical-weapons attacks; the weapons themselves were built with the help of Western European firms. The memory of these attacks is an especially bitter one.
    “Do you know how many people are still suffering from the effects of chemical weapons?”

    Mehdi Khalaji, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said.
    “Thousands of former soldiers. They believe these were Western weapons given to Saddam.”

  30. quot should stick to subjects he may know something about, or do some research before he types his gibberish.

    Weaponry for the Guatemalan military is the very least of what Israel has delivered. Israel not only provided the technology necessary for a reign of terror, it helped in the organization and commission of the horrors perpetrated by the Guatemalan military and police. And even beyond that: to ensure that the profitable relationship would continue, Israel and its agents worked actively to maintain Israeli influence in Guatemala.
    Throughout the years of untrammeled slaughter that left at least 45,000 dead, and, by early 1983, one million in internal exile - mostly indigenous Mayan Indians, who comprise a majority of Guatemala's eight million people - and thousands more in exile abroad, Israel stood by the Guatemalan military. Three successive military governments and three brutal and sweeping campaigns against the Mayan population, described by a U.S. diplomat as Guatemala's "genocide against the Indians," had the benefit of Israeli techniques and experience, as well as hardware.

  31. Rios Montt thanked his God in heaven for anointing him as Guatemala’s president, but on earth he thanked Israel for establishing his March 1982 military coup. Israeli press reported that 300 Israeli advisors helped execute the coup, which succeeded so smoothly, Brother Efraín told an ABC News reporter, “because many of our soldiers were trained by Israelis.” Through the height of la violencia (“the violence”) or desencarnacíon (“loss of flesh, loss of being”), between the late 1970s to early 1980s, Israel assisted every facet of attack on the Guatemalan people.

  32. In February 2012 there was an article in the Jewish magazine "The Tablet" about the extraordinarily close ties between Israel and Guatemala. In discussion the "darker side" of this the writer Irin Carmon said, "In 1982, Efraín Ríos Montt—the country’s first evangelical president and a general whose military regime was installed by a coup—told ABC News that his success was due to the fact that 'our soldiers were trained by Israelis.'”

  33. Thanks, quot, for presenting the opportunity to educate the readers and possibly, the world, as to Israel's pivotal role in genocide in the Americas.

  34. Thanks Rat for infecting this site with a constant barrage of anti-Semitic, israel bashing posts. It shows the disgusting level bigotry you have for Jews, Judaism and Israel.

    You do more to make this blog irrelevant than anything I could say.


  35. You see, quot, I never, ever had any affinity for Arabs or Muslims, but the Mayan people I have always respected.

    The actions of the Israeli, in Central America, in the late 1970's and into the 1980's that is what convinced me that Israel is a criminal regime. Ranking with the worst offenses of Adolf Hitler, but on a much smaller scale.

    Must be why two days after the Patriot Day bombing in Boston we were presented with ...

    Hitler, quot wrote, was right, his own father wrong.

  36. Once again you prove my point.

    You personally have destroyed any credibility this blog had ever sought.

    You are a jackass.

    But the good news? You have done more damage to Deuce's work than anyone else.


    1. Sorry, deuce has made it clear...

      No specific personal information.

      However I am SURE you can call the AZ FBI and they will tell you that we all KNOW who you are....

    2. I hereby ask Deuce to waive that house rule.

      It is of no concern to me if my name appears on the .The Libertarian blog.

      What's my name?

    3. Of course the FBI knows the name of desert rat.
      I told the FBI that I was the desert rat prior to asking for them to see if any threats had been made on the blog.

      What's my Name?

    4. Forget about the credibility of the blog, this goes directly to your credibility, quot.

      What's my Name?

    5. Nope, it's you that has destroyed this blog's credibility.

      You harass, bully and defame.

      you are the jackhole.

  37. http://www.blogger.com/content.g

    Personal and confidential information: It's not ok to publish another person's personal and confidential information. For example, don't post someone else's credit card numbers, Social Security numbers, unlisted phone numbers, and driver's license numbers. Also, please keep in mind that in most cases, information that is already available elsewhere on the Internet or in public records is not considered to be private or confidential under our policies.

    1. My name is not included in the list of ...
      ... someone else's credit card numbers, Social Security numbers, unlisted phone numbers, and driver's license numbers.

      My name is not considered confidential, that is if as you said, you know it.

      But you do not.
      You are a fraud and a liar.

  38. Illegal activities: Do not use Blogger to engage in illegal activities or to promote dangerous and illegal activities. For example, don't author a blog encouraging people to drink and drive. Please also do not use Blogger to sell or promote regulated or illegal drugs. Otherwise, we may delete your content. Also, in serious cases such as those involving the abuse of children, we may report you to the appropriate authorities.

    So by you advocating that I post your personal name? I am LIABLE for legal action...

    So sparkie... you are the coward

    1. I read every word of the blogger guidelines, names are not mentioned.
      Names are not confidential.

      You don't know, have never heard it, never read it on a list.

      You are a lying sack of shit.

    2. No, no, no YOU are a lying sack of shit.

    3. rat's a sack of lying rat shit on the blogger stage and he and everybody else knows it

    4. Prove it, anonymous, Chapter and Verse, please.

      If you can, which, of course you cannot..


  39. Reuters) - The head of insurer American International Group apologized for a "poor choice of words" on Tuesday after coming under fire for equating criticism of banker bonuses with the lynching of African-Americans in the Deep South.

    Outrage over bonuses paid to bankers "was intended to stir public anger, to get everybody out there with their pitch forks and their hangman nooses, and all that - sort of like what we did in the Deep South [decades ago]. And I think it was just as bad and just as wrong," Chief Executive Bob Benmosche was quoted as saying in an interview in The Wall Street Journal.

    His words provoked a sharp reaction.

    "Simply outrageous. AIG should disavow statement now," tweeted Benjamin Lawsky, the superintendent of the New York Department of Financial Services.

    Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, a Maryland Democrat, called for Benmosche to resign.

    "I find it unbelievably appalling that Mr. Benmosche equates the violent repression of the African American people with congressional efforts to prevent the waste of taxpayer dollars," Cummings said in a statement.

  40. rat threatens to throw stinky rat turds at other people, and he threatened boobie's life and exposed boobie's old addresss

    1. That address was not boobie's, it belonged to a real estate developer in Idaho.
      Published on web by the government, in Idaho.

      I you feel as if that were not a legitimate thing to do, complain to Google/Blogger.
      That developer had asked for assistance in marketing his properties, I was only trying to help him spread the word..


    2. Nothing that was written was a threat, according to the FBI.

    3. Then you saw the report that had YOUR NAME.....

    4. No, dimwit, I had a verbal briefing.

      I saw nothing.

      But I did let the FBI know who desert rat was, in the editorial mix, even before i asked for the investigation.
      The fellas were reading your dribble and laughing, it was very entertaining for them.

  41. rat thinks he knows shit but he don't know rat shit and shows it every day. He has been rat shitting us for years.

    1. Anonymous was right, you really are feces-centric, aren't you.

    2. Your life revolves around shit, aye amigo.

    3. More rat shit. He can't think of anything but shit. He is rat shit centric., aye..

  42. Really, Anonymous, you should go way out in the sticks, tonight, and look at the stars.
    It could calm you.
    Get your mind off the shits and back to the giggles

    1. Rat shit and giggles.


    2. It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.


  43. When Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" fail them, the children move to the Hegelian Dialectic.

    That won't work either.
    Their AIPAC handbook does not have enough chapters to defeat the plain truth about Israel and it's complicity in genocide in the Americas.

  44. desert rat wrote, "As for the perceptions oft he people of the US, they are changing with the times.
    AIPAC went out in force for US intervention in Syria, they were handed their hat."

    Yes, the perceptions of US citizens are changing: according to Pew, Gallop, CNN, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, CBS, and ABC, support for Israel, in the form of favorability, is increasing.

    For the wishful thinkers, American support for Israel may one day waiver, but not today.

    1. The latest Gallop poll I saw had the support at 64%, a tad shy of the 75% you claimed. That poll was a few months old, so it was not worthy of a quibble.

      As events move forward we will see what transpires.
      If the Iranians are seen as being cooperative on the nuclear issue and the Israeli continue to refuse to even participate, then Mr Lapin may well be proven correct. Seems to me.

    2. We may be at the "High Water Mark", for US support of Israel amongst the electorate or not.

      Events are moving fast.
      We should have a reasonable inspection regime for the Iranian nuclear program some time next year.

      It won't meat the goals that Mr Lapin laid out, that the Iranians have no nuclear program at all, as the Iranians will continue to enrich uranium, to produce fuel rods for the 22 reactors they have planned. Well within their rights under the NPT.

      The stiffened economic sanctions on Iran are working, as I always thought they would.

    3. The US electorate is rather fickle in its support.
      Our current and previous Presidents exemplify that.

      Mr Obama's approval peaked at 76% and has dropped as low as 39%
      Mr GW Bush peaked at 92% and dropped as low a 19%
      Mr Clinton peaked at 73%, dropped to 36%
      Mr Reagan peaked at 68% bottomed at 35%

      We have a fickle fingered electorate.


  45. I know we all recall Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, but we have not spent much time with the Hegelian Dialectic. I didn't even know the tactic had a name until a few months ago.

    Hegelians are taught to use any stupid argument at their disposal that enrages their assigned opposite "side," their job is to fuel established conflicts and say anything they want, as long as it keeps the masses distracted.

    The more outrageous their behaviors, the more outrageous the response is from their gullible public followers. This is why hateful slurs, mocking, sneering, racial insults, un-humorous "jokes," accusations, slander and Godlike condemnations are such a big part of their repertoire.

  46. We all know how the US electorate reacts to pocket book issues.
    This storyline, in the USA Today will reverberate across the nation, the world.

    Consider the global sanctions against Iranian oil. If substantial and verifiable agreements on Syria and nuclear weapons allowed us to resume the oil trade, even partially, it would become visible at the gas pump all but immediately. Pre-embargo, Iran was exporting 2.5 million barrels a day into the world market. Today, that figure is down to 1 million barrels since vast stretches of the world are no longer open to the mullahs' oil.

    When the screws were really tightened toward the end of 2011, crude prices were $86 a barrel. Today, they are $107. Returning, at least, to a $90 level and the price at the gas pump could easily be back below $3 a gallon, where we were as recently as the end of 2010. And that's not including the Syria risk premium.
    Remove that and you have even more cash in your pocket. That would be a stimulus to economies across the globe.

    As that reality sinks in, poll numbers will shift.
    We all know how US politicos react to polling numbers.

    The Authorization for Use of Force with regards a Syria military misadventure illustrates that aptly.