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Friday, July 19, 2013

The hypocrisy and lies of the European Israeli apartheid experiment and aggression against Palestinian Arabs


  1. If you profess to believe in freedom and justice, watch this video.

    If you are satisfied with lies, ethnic cleansing and mythical fantasy to justify that which is unjustifiable, move on.

    If you take the risk and listen to the words of an honest human being, then you will learn something. You will not like what you learn.

    Sometimes the naked truth is very ugly.

  2. Go to the 33 minute mark and tell us that this is not apartheid.

  3. Tell us it has nothing to do with hatred, racial discrimination and triumphalism.

  4. In the previous thread, I made this claim:

    Thu Jul 18, 07:16:00 PM EDT

    Israel is a Middle Eastern Country on a par with Rhodesia and South Africa having been European Countries in Africa. Israel is a European colony in the Middle East.

    Israel is as Middle Eastern as Honk Kong and Singapore were British in China, Goa was Portuguese in India and Indochina was French.

    The only way Israel survives as a national entity is if it accepts what it currently denies and that is a social integration with the indigenous people of Palestine. Without the bizarre political parasitic relationship with the US, it would already be game set match, Palestine.


  5. In the previous thread, I made this claim:

    Thu Jul 18, 07:16:00 PM EDT

    Israel is a Middle Eastern Country on a par with Rhodesia and South Africa having been European Countries in Africa. Israel is a European colony in the Middle East.

    Israel is as Middle Eastern as Hong Kong and Singapore were British in China, Goa was Portuguese in India and Indochina was French.

    The only way Israel survives as a national entity is if it accepts what it currently denies and that is a social integration with the indigenous people of Palestine. Without the bizarre political parasitic relationship with the US, it would already be game set match, Palestine.


  6. Want to hear an honest assessment of Netanyahu’s disinformation and political manipulation go to the 48 minute mark.

  7. The US southern white racists did not want to give up their privileged position in the 1950s as the European Rhodesians and South Africans did not want to give up in the 1980s.

    The racists and the racially privileged lost then and there and the racially privileged European and American immigrants to Palestine will have to give up their fantasy and lies.

    The truth will eventually expose injustice, repression and brutality.

    In the American South and in South Africa, it was honest whites that ultimately ended the injustice and in Israel it will be humanitarian Jews that make the change and change is coming. The sooner the better, for everyone.

  8. Meanwhile back in Mordor on the Po:

    The Obama administration is refusing to say whether it will seek to renew a court order that permits the National Security Agency's bulk collection of phone records on millions of Verizon customers when it expires at the end of this week.

    Officials declined to discuss what action they intend to take about the order at the center of the current surveillance scandal, which formally expires at 5pm Friday.

    The looming expiration of the order, issued by the secretive Fisa court, provides an early test of Barack Obama's claim to welcome debate over "how to strike this balance" between liberty and security. Beyond the question of the phone records collection, the court order authorizing it is a state secret.

    On Thursday, the administration would not answer a question first posed by the Guardian six days ago about its intentions to continue, modify or discontinue the Verizon bulk-collection order. The White House referred queries to the Justice Department. "We have no announcement at this time," said Justice Department spokesman Brian Fallon. The NSA and office of the Director of National Intelligence did not respond to questions.

    A spokesman for the Fisa court, Sheldon Snook, said the court “respectfully declines to comment”.

  9. The beat goes on:

    The resumption of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations was cast into doubt after Palestinian leaders called on Israel to agree a general border of a future Palestinian state before direct negotiations continue.

    The Palestinian stand, at the conclusion of two high-level meetings on Thursday, is at odds with Israel's insistence that there are no preconditions to talks.

    Palestinians leaders want the guarantee to ensure talks end with a result.

    Wasel Abu Yussef, a member of the Palestine Liberation Organisation's executive committee, said Palestinian officials decided to send top negotiator Saeb Erekat to meet the US Secretary of State, John Kerry, in Amman to "inform him that Palestinians want guarantees regarding the general border''.

    That refers to Israel's de facto border that separates Israel from the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, territories that it captured in the 1967 war alongside the Gaza Strip.

    Palestinians claim those territories for their future state, with modifications reached through agreed "land swaps" that would see major Jewish settlement blocks built in the West Bank becoming part of Israel in exchange for territories elsewhere.

    Reuters news agency quoted a senior State Department official as saying that Kerry would consult both sides again on Friday before flying back to the US.

    Obama urges talks

    The Palestinian meetings followed months of mediation efforts by the US.

    Hoping to push both sides into talks, US President Barack Obama on Thursday asked Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to work with Kerry "to resume negotiations with Palestinians as soon as possible".

    Netanyahu, whose rightist coalition government includes parties that back settlers in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem, says he wants to start peace talks immediately, but without preconditions.

  10. COMPARISON: George Zimmerman & Ted Kennedy. One of them killed an innocent.

  11. Deuce has lost his mind.

    Is he a danger to himself, or others?


    Just whacky is all.

    1. Choose:

      Try pulling out the Kool Aid IV, and watch the video.


      Remain in your comfort zone.

    2. when's the last time you actually visited Israel?


    3. I’ll go to Israel when I can travel freely with my Palestinian lady friend.

    4. Deuce, did you get some arm candy like Anthony Weiner's twist?

    5. Ah, Palestinian lady friend.

      She's behind all this non sense.


      These opinions expressed of late that many have taken as a sign of insanity really aren't political, but romantical!

      This is forgivable. It's the power of the moon, the foreign, the exotic.

      Deuce could probably go to Israel and travel freely with his friend any time, unless she happens to be on some Israeli terrorist list.

    6. Tell ya what Deuce, Saudi Arabia will not allow anyone with an Israeli stamp to travel to that nation, why no stories on a daily basis about them?

      And while we are at it. Can Israelis travel to most arab nations?


      So again, one standard for Israel and Jews, no standards for anyone else.

    7. Jews cannot travel freely or safely in almost 899/900th of the middle east.

      Jews were driven from their historic homes thruout the so called "arab" world in 1948, in fact MORE jews were driven out than the so called palestinians were.

      Yet no acknowledgment from you that they in fact helped create the modern state of Israel. maybe if your lady friends parents and grandparents had not murdered Jews in Hebron in the 1920's there would be "indigenous" Jews still there....

      Be honest deuce, you hate the state of Israel, yet you have NO 1st hand information of Israel, it's people or how it works.

      It's hard to get a view of the mosaic of Israel while looking up at a vagina...

  12. desert ratThu Jul 18, 10:47:00 PM EDT
    Perhaps you are projecting.

    As for the TSA, I don't get buses, neither on land or air.

    Did fly up to Vegas a couple of times, but that was on a Hawker 800.
    You ought to try it, no tedious lines to stand in, no fat folk in the seats around you.
    An open bar and real pretty girls.

    That is the only way I'll fly.

    You can load up and fly with the fatties, I know you're used to having them in your life.
    I've seen video of your wife.


    desert ratThu Jul 18, 10:49:00 PM EDT
    "O"riginal's wife, anyway.

    go ahead post it...

    bet you cant....

    1. Post what, the video clip?

      The video was at the Ohio Candy Store's site. I looked at it years ago, never went back to look at it again, why would I? The lady was not that attractive. I certainly did not save it, the lady was not that attractive.

      It does not, however, invalidate the fact the video was on the site, or that I saw it, or that it was "O"riginal's wife that was a fatty.

    2. bullshit

      put it up or shut up...


    3. But we do KNOW one thing.

      You have been reported to the AZ FBI.

      Homeland security DOES know who you are.

      You are scared to travel via normal airlines or bus ways as you are SCARED to be found out.

      Criminal? terrorist? Dont know, but we DO know you are a wanted man by the Feds.

    4. You bought it up today, Quot.
      I would have let it go but you brought it forward, made it an even more legitimate subject of discussion.

      I am well known to the FBI, the Phoenix and Scottsdale police departments.
      I teach members of those organizations how to shoot, effectively.

      Teach the Scottsdale PD mounted patrol how to ride, better.

      Sheriff Joe, a fella I know, but he is a politico at heart.
      He does like dogs.
      Makes an issue of animal cruelty, which is laudable.

      We're all on a list, dimwit.

    5. Yep, all on a list...

      but your's says "suspect"

    6. Notice Rat makes an assertion about a "video" then wiggles.

      "desert ratFri Jul 19, 08:10:00 AM EDT
      Post what, the video clip?

      The video was at the Ohio Candy Store's site. I looked at it years ago, never went back to look at it again, why would I? The lady was not that attractive. I certainly did not save it, the lady was not that attractive.
      It does not, however, invalidate the fact the video was on the site, or that I saw it, or that it was "O"riginal's wife that was a fatty.

      put it up or shut up...


      Just an old blow hard liar, a fool with a big mouth.

      Rat that is... Nothing more than a prune of a soul, black hearted asshole that lies, distorts and misdirects.

    7. Rat, fame in his own mind.

      I hope the folks at the NSA and the AZ FBI get wind of your true persona.

      You may think they like you an indeed some may, but as sure as shit stinks, you do too...

      It will be interesting to see after the federals arrest you for crimes how much time you will serve.

      It may take a few years but the more we hear from you them more dirty you sound, every day.

    8. No one believes a thing rat says any longer.

  13. Deuce is on a mission...

    Anything to bash israel..

    no balance.

    wrong side of history.

    1. The only issue I have with Deuce is he blames Lincoln for the Civil War. I blame Beauregard for opening fire on Old Glory at Fort Sumter.

  14. Replies
    1. Funny, that's what I call the 80 percent of American Jewry that voted for Obongo. Twice.

    2. Funny, THAT's WHAT I call the 80% of American Jewry that voted for Obongo, twice

  15. Apply the speaker's standards to the arab world, china, europe and America.

    Bet you wont....

    One standard for the Jews, No standards for anyone else.

    1. The same Standard's were applied, in South Africa, Hong Kong, Goa, Rhodesia.
      They will be applied in Palestine, soon.

      The current, modern Crusade in Palestine will end as all the others did, poorly for the Europeons.
      As it did for the French in Syria and Lebanon.

      Demographics win.
      There are not enough potential immigrants to change that.
      Meanwhile the secular Israeli are killing 20,000 of their own, each year.

      Such short sightedness guarantees the government of the Israeli socialists will not long survive.
      They are their own worst enemy, they do not value the lives of their own people's children.

    2. Apply them in America, Europe, China 1st then speak.

    3. Such is the Israeli government's will to power.
      Such is Quot's political bent, that he will no denounce the murder of 20,000 Jews each year by the secular government of Israel.

      He claims to be a Jew, but denounces the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, the real authority on Judaism.
      Quot is just another political pawn of the Europeon socialists in Palestine.

      The "useful idiot", exemplified.

    4. Such is Quot's political bent, that he will not denounce the murder of 20,000 Jews each year by the secular government of Israel.

    5. desert ratFri Jul 19, 08:29:00 AM EDT
      Such is Quot's political bent, that he will not denounce the murder of 20,000 Jews each year by the secular government of Israel.

      Ah back to the abortion issue?

      So 55 million Americans murdered by the American government since roe v Wade and you obsess about Israel.

      One standard for Israel and no standards for America?

    6. Rat, just how many abortions have you supported?

      how much BLOOD is on your hands...

      How many women have you knocked up and then got abortions for?

      (horses dont count)

    7. desert ratFri Jul 19, 08:29:00 AM EDT
      Such is Quot's political bent, that he will not denounce the murder of 20,000 Jews each year by the secular government of Israel.

      Will you denounce America Rat? After all 1,000,000 American each year are murdered by the secular government of America.

    8. rat has come out against a woman's fundamental right to control her own body, her right to choose.

      This puts rat at odds with the United States, all of Europe, Russia, China, India and Israel....

      I think of it as "rat's War on Women"

    9. ...Canada, Australia, New Zealand....

      rat is against women everywhere on earth.

  16. The speaker applies one standard to Israel.

    Israel sits on 1/900th of the middle east.

    Inside israel? all citizens are equal.

    in the other 899/900 of the middle east? jews are almost 100% erased and christians are not to far behind.

    How about democracy in the 899/900th?

    Oh right that doesnt matter. What matters is Israel.

    Well citizens of Israel (jewish and arab) vote, own property and businesses and get elected to office.

    If you speak about the west bank? look to jordan.

    If you speak about gaza? look to egypt.

    The lands of the west bank have had thousands of villages created since 1948. most of the arab.

    some have been Jewish.

    One standard for Israel and Jews, no standard for anyone else.

    America? by the standards of this blog? Is a european colony that should be dismantled?

    I'm listening....

    1. No one has ever written that Israel should be dismantled, Quot.

      Just that it should be inclusive of all the residents.
      It is a secular nation that discriminates based upon the resident's creed.

      That is not the case in the United States.
      In fact it is an abomination to discriminate against an entire segment of the population based upon their religious beliefs.

      It is the discriminatory practices of the secular Israeli government that is at issue.
      Those practices will be at issue until the rights of each religious group, in Israel, are the same as the rights of the others. Or until the Israeli government no longer has its hand out, looking for aid and comfort from the people of the United States.

    2. There is no apartheid practiced in the US.

      There is no Jim Crow.

      There no moral comparison.

    3. Never been to Detroit?

      Never been to an Indian Reservation?

      Never looked at the south side of Chicago?

    4. Arabs have 21 nations already that comprise 899/900th of the middle east.

      the arabs of gaza? share a split city with the brothers in egypt.

      the arabs of the west bank? need to join with jordan for their state.

      No one stops them from JOINING their brothers.

    5. WiO: Never been to Detroit?

      Liberal Quarantine Zones:

      In order to prevent further infestation of ridiculous liberal ideas and policies, liberals are being asked to stay put in their respective quarantine zones. If you wish to leave your zone because the taxes are too high, the schools are awful, and the criminals run the place, remember you voted for it. Now have a seat and enjoy what you created.

    6. There is too apartheid practiced in the United States. The Indian Reservations. Also, Florida, because the Reverend Jesse Jackson, whose son 3J is in the Federal Penitentiary, has told us so.

      The Reverend Jackson is famous for being America's Leading Civil Rights champion, and is famous all over the world.

  17. The price of WTI just surpassed that of Brent. First time in, I don't know, a hell of a long time, it seems. At one point Brent had a $21.00 premium.

    1. Temporary. The best cure for high oil prices is high oil prices, because of the way prices signal investment. After the oil shocks of the 1970s we had the collapse of prices in the 1980s. Just give it another year or two. And then it will suck to be Putin.

  18. I'm not expert enough to address whether the George Zimmerman verdict was legally correct, but I feel confident saying that if the verdict is correct, the law behind it is morally wrong.

    It cannot be OK for a person to start an altercation for non-urgent, unnecessary reasons, such as the situation suggested by Zimmerman's use of aggressive words recorded on a 911 tape, and then to pull a gun and shoot when he starts to lose the fight.

    Scott Flagg; Kirkland, Wash.

    1. That's okay, Chris Matthews, claiming that he speaks for all white people, has apologized. I guess I'm still on the hook for Zimmermann's brown half, which remains unapologetic.

    2. It is legally correct. And the law is not morally wrong. In fact it wasn't even really used in this case, the Stand Your Ground law.

      It was passed in the first place to give the average citizen a fighting chance.

      Did you know that in Florida the Stand Your Ground law has been invoked, proportionately, much more often by blacks than whites?

      Bet you didn't know that.

    3. And Zimmerman didn't start the fight. The jury believed TM started the fight.

    4. The fact the all white jury decided that Zimmerman was blameless is the reason that the Justice Department is going to prosecute him in Federal court. The reason the Justice Department has taken the evidence from Florida and not allowed the murder weapon to be returned to Zimmerman.

      Real justice is not blind to reality of a biased and bigoted Florida justice system.

    5. Non sense. Both prosecution and defense had so many preemptive challenges. The jury was fairly chosen, and did well, seeing that there was no real evidence against Zimmerman.

      Again, one black juror was excused by the prosecution because he watched Fox News.

      And the Justice Department is looking at racism on Zimmerman's part. And they aren't going to find any evidence for it. In fact he tutored black kids whose father's were in prison. The FBI found no evidence of racism in Zimmerman at all. And he grew up in a racially mixed family himself.

      I do think though an all black jury probably would have convicted him even without any evidence. Such an all black jury couldn't have a black Fox News watcher on it though, as he might have bolted.

      Then there is also all the evidence of prosecutoral misconduct and judicial misconduct in this case, all of which was designed to favor Trayvon Martin.

      In the end it did not help. The jury came to the correct decision.

    6. Th Federals are going to prosecute Zimmerman.
      There will be another jury, another prosecutor, don't know if Zimmerman can fund the same defense team.

      When he is convicted in Federal court there will be as much outrage at the verdict as there is now, just that the outrage will be on the other side of the racial divide.

  19. While the brainiacs at Exxon, Chevron, and Shell were writing checks to Romney, and filing losing lawsuits against the Renewable Fuels Standard, the poor ol' dumb boys at smaller retailers like Kum and Go were installing E85 pumps, and preparing for the day -

    The Day that they would be selling RINS (Renewable identification Numbers) to the brainiacs for $1.46/gal.

    Sometimes it's sweet to be a dumb ol' boy. :)

    1. What happens to E85 when the subsidies to corn farmers goes away? This is just the transfer of wealth.

    2. Still as big a fucking idiot as ever.

    3. Those subsidies already have gone away, T, the E85 still is cheaper than oil.

      One Bad Energy Subsidy Expires
      Published: January 6, 2012

      Now that the most polarized and paralyzed Congress in memory has managed to kill one of its most resilient boondoggles — the three-decade-old, multibillion-dollar subsidy for corn ethanol — we hope it has not exhausted its resolve and will take a hatchet to other harmful energy subsidies, chiefly those it gives to fossil fuels.

      The ethanol subsidy was allowed to expire last Saturday, a death blow that was all the more remarkable coming just a few days before the Republican caucuses in the cornfields of Iowa, where the subsidy has long been seen as untouchable.

      You've been away, it may take a while for you to get back up to speed.

    4. Thanks for the information, DR. I didn't know. I guess I'm just a big fucking idiot.

    5. .

      I guess I'm just a big fucking idiot.

      Nonsense, T. They still have their mandate and their RINS.


    6. And, the oil companies still have their 90% Mandate for older cars (and, 85% for newer cars,) as well as their $4Billion in Subsidies.

    7. I'm sorry, but anyone that isn't concerned about our continued dependence on increasingly expensive imported oil Is a "Big Fucking Idiot."

    8. .

      I see you still do not understand what the word 'mandate' means Rufus.


    9. Rufus IIFri Jul 19, 11:55:00 AM EDT
      Still as big a fucking idiot as ever.


      You taught me language, and my profit on ’t
      Is I know how to curse. The red plague rid you
      For learning me your language!

  20. rat has hated women since the day, in a stunning reversal of fortune and personal repudiation, his first wife 'dropped a kid' and abruptly walked out of his life.

    Hence, rat's War on Women.

    Deuce has the opposite problem. Extremely handsome in his youth, the women globally still flock to him - indeed, Trish once called him 'our globe trotting Romeo' - and always speaks well of women generally and celebrates them and honors them.

    If women flocking to one globally is really a problem, as it might be, as far as I know, since I've never experienced that phenomenon.

    1. We're so shallow. It's all about looks and what car you drive.

    2. The first wife went back to Panama, true enough, but she was no fatty.

    3. And now you have insulted heavier women everywhere.

      Take a look at some of the old European paintings of women, lots of 'heavy' women there.

      Standards change.

      The real beauty of a woman is found within, but not in ratworld.

    4. There is a difference between being Rubenesque and a fatty, anoni.

      I kinda like Rubenesque, but am revolted by a fatty.

      The lack of discipline and self control, exemplified by obesity, is not beautiful.

    5. Somewhere around 1965 tastes changed to the "Twiggy" role-model. Men started wanting their women to look like 13 year old boys.

  21. As far as the Indian reservations go ...

    The residents can leave and relocate any time they want. They can move to any community in the US they choose.

    Not so in the apartheid state of Israel.
    There is no freedom of movement, as Quot wrote there are "Arab" villages and Israeli villages, free movement 'tween the two, not possible.

    1. Has something to do with the grenade launchers they carry.

    2. Yep, those Israeli are well armed, true enough.

    3. Force of arms is keeping those pesty Palestinian Arabs "In Their Place".

    4. TeresitaFri Jul 19, 11:59:00 AM EDT
      Has something to do with the grenade launchers they carry.


    5. Actually Rat speaks from his ass as usual.

      "Not so in the apartheid state of Israel.
      There is no freedom of movement, as Quot wrote there are "Arab" villages and Israeli villages, free movement 'tween the two, not possible."

      INSIDE THE STATE OF ISRAEL there are no restrictions on arabs or jews, or christians or Bhai's or lesbians or whatever with freedom of travel.

      However NON-citizens who do not LIVE in Israel do not have the right of free travel in Israel.

      One standard for Israel, no standards for anyone else????

    6. The Palestinians are free to wage war on Israel and they do and have never stopped.

      They murder, kidnap, bomb, stab any and all jews they can find.

      But it sucks being the sorry assed losers they are, after all they couldnt even defeat JEWS

      Face it, the Palestinians suck... A savage death cult society that could not build a nation even if given more money per person than the marshal plan.

      Palestinians dont want freedom they want to destroy Israel and murder Jews. Remember that next time you're feeling frisky.... You can make some "deuce/palio" babies...


      Jew hating from the womb..

    7. Would you say that your views are typical of AIPAC, zionists or Israeli First-ers? Your fellow travelers, do they share your views, have more radical or do they have less radical views?

      I have posted several videos showing IDF and Jewish settlers who expressd this attitude and I believe that you took umbrage over them. I and am only too happy to re-post them again.

      Being the expert that you are on Israel and having been there many times, would you consider the views you expressed here mainstream?

      What is "Occupation"Fri Jul 19, 02:20:00 PM EDT
      The Palestinians are free to wage war on Israel and they do and have never stopped.

      They murder, kidnap, bomb, stab any and all jews they can find.

      But it sucks being the sorry assed losers they are, after all they couldnt even defeat JEWS

      Face it, the Palestinians suck... A savage death cult society that could not build a nation even if given more money per person than the marshal plan.

      Palestinians dont want freedom they want to destroy Israel and murder Jews. Remember that next time you're feeling frisky.... You can make some "deuce/palio" babies...


      Jew hating from the womb..

  22. I have yet to read the first rebuttal to any of the assertions made by the very credible speaker. just the usual puff adder hiss.

    1. What's to rebut?

      A self hating Jew who hates Israel.

      Seen it before. We'll see it again.

      Doesnt really speak of any facts or balance. Just a loon.

      But your hero..

    2. It’s amusing, at the latter part of the video during the Q&A the speaker addresses the usual AIPCAC accusations, “Self-Hating Jew” at the top of the heap.

      I really advise any fair-minded non-self-hating human being with a normal brain to watch the video. Others needn’t bother.

  23. The turning of the screw

    WEEKEND EDITION JULY 19-21, 2013

    Israel Cries Foul

    EU Moves Against Illegal Settlements in Palestine

    The European Union has proposed new guidelines for how it will do business with the state of Israel that will require any Israeli entity seeking funding or cooperation from the E.U. to submit a declaration that it has no links to any of the occupied territories. Any agreement between the E.U. and Israel would need to include a section stating that its settlements in the territories are not part of Israel. The guidelines,obtained by the Israeli daily Haaretz, state that “only Israeli entities having their place of establishment within Israel’s pre-1967 borders will be considered eligible for consideration.” Human rights organizations like B’Tselem and non-governmental organizations like Peace Now that work to promote peace will be exempt from the requirement not to have links to the occupied territories.

    Haaretz reported a senior Israeli official describing the new guidelines as an “earthquake”. Economy Minister Naftali Bennett hysterically called it an “economic terror attack.” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded, “We will not accept any external edicts on our borders.” That, of course, means that Palestinians must accept Israel’s edicts on where the borders of the state of Palestine will be. Palestinians have long since joined the international consensus on a two-state solution, which is rejected only by Israel its main benefactor, the United States.

    That solution is based on U.N. Resolution 242, which requirs Israel to return to the pre-June 1967 “Green Line”, otherwise known as the 1949 armistice lines and so-called for the color of the ink with which the line was drawn on the map under the armistice agreements. Under international law, every inch of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, is considered “occupied Palestinian territory” to which Israel has no legal claim. Its attempts to annex Jerusalem have been condemned repeatedly by the U.N. Security Council, which has deemed the moves “illegal, null, and void”. Israel’s settlements in the West Bank are a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

    1. The civilized world is awakening to the injustice that is the secular state of Israel.

    2. The civilized world aborts over a million babies a year.

      The civilized world does nothing to stop female genital mutilation.

      The civilized world let's millions die from famine and starvation.

      The civilized world?

      Concerned about 5 square miles of apartments in Jerusalem's suburbs.

      I am IMPRESSED.

      The civilized world I guess missed the memo about Tibet, Cyprus, the Armenian Genocide, Rwanda, Rape squads of Sudan, Syria?

      But let a Jew build a block of flats???????

      They have Sanctions and Memos....

  24. You fellows seem to be saying that the west bank is a part of Israel. Maybe it should be. You complain the west bank arabs can't vote in Israeli elections, as arabs in Israel do, and have members of their group in the Knesset. If the west bank is part of Israel, why shouldn't Israelis settle there?

    One another day you are calling it an occupied territory. And demand an independent state there.

    Where no Israelis would be allowed to live, much less vote.

    Just as in modern, multicultural chilled out Gaza, were no Israelis are allowed to even live physically, much less set up residence.

    1. There used to be Jewish settlements in Gaza, remember the greenhouses? But they packed up camp and lit out for the territories. So when you say the Israelis are not allowed to live there, its really more like the Israelis volunteered not to live there. Bob.

    2. Hmmm, well, lets see what happens if they try to come back. I don't think they will be welcomed with open arms, I'll say that much.

  25. None of the surrounding moslem countries want anything to do with the 'Palesinians'. These countries are satisfied enough to let them continue to be a thorn in Israel's side. And some of these countries are privately hoping the Israelis, with or without the help of the Americans, can make the Iran problem disappear for them.

    1. If they're privately hoping, how did you find out about it? Or are you privately hoping that they're privately hoping?

  26. Notice how confused rat here says -

    >> the secular state of Israel<<

    While previously and on many occasions he has referred to Israel as a 'theocracy', and an'Abrahamic Theocracy', a 'religious state' and etc.

    1. Which is quite a turnaround for a post-WW2 enclave of atheists from Eastern Europe.

  27. Replies
    1. He most certainly cannot. You are right. His tune changes to fit the day and the argumentative needs of the moment.

    2. Well, fellas, I was told unequivocally that Israel was not a theocracy, when I asked.
      I never called it a theocracy, I asked if it was.

      Feel free to quote me, if you can find a reference where I called Israel a theocracy. I do not think you can.

      I know, by reading Mr Truman that the state of Israel is in a portion of Palestine. That all Israeli are, by subsequent definition, Palestinians. But not all Palestinians are Israeli. Just as all New Yorkers are Americans, but not all Americans are New Yorkers.

      Just as all Mexicans are Americans, but not all Americans are Mexican, some Americans are Canadians.

      Then, again, both Quot and anoni fail to tell us just why the fella in the video is wrong, about apartheid conditions in Israel. They just continue to dance around that subject, calling the fella a traitor and finding joy in changing the subject to their own fanciful fantasies of the moment.

      Quot was correct, all those Palestinians are savages, especially it seems in the Israeli portion of that country.

  28. .

    It appears Italy's view of rendition hasn't changed and that 23 CIA operatives convicted in absentia by Italy will still need to be careful where they travel.

    Panama releases former CIA operative wanted by Italy



  29. Up thread there have been a number of questions posed and accusations made.

    Referencing abortion the United States and comparisons to the state of Israel.
    It seems obvious, at first glance, that there is a glaring difference between comparing the two polities. In the US abortions are not state funded, in Israel the secular government funds the murder of the babies.

    In Israel the Chief Rabbinate of Israel deplores the murder of Jewish babies in what was once fancifully described as a Jewish "Homeland".
    It is the secular state that sanctions and funds the murder of Jews. I do believe that the Chief Rabbinate knows what amounts to murder under the auspices of Judaic Law. Any supporter of the secular state of Israel that claims to be Jewish would have to be concerned and revolted by the slaughter of Jews, in Israel, by Israelis.

    In the US, again, the government does not fund abortion. In the secular state of Israel the government does. This is a major difference in the policies of the two polities.

    Not much of a "Homeland", more of a "Dead Zone" for Jews not capable of military service or immediately paying taxes to the state.

    Recently I saw where raising a child to adulthood costs north of $250,000. Little wonder then that the socialist government of Israel wants to limit the number of babies born. The cumulative costs of raising those 20,000 babies would add up, with little benefit accruing to the secular stat of Israel. Immigrants are so much more cost effective, from a socialist politicians point of view.

    As to my supporting a "War on Women", nothing could be further from the truth. I certainly think that women should be able to control their bodies, until exercising that control endangers another sustainable life. That is why I support, in a general way, the legislation that has been recently enacted in Texas.
    Prior to twenty weeks of gestation the woman has control of her body. She can, at her own discretion and expense, terminate the pregnancy. After that time the state will protect the life of the baby. This seems a rasonable course to take, in balancing the rights and obligations of all concerned.

    I do not support forcing those morally opposed to abortion to fund it, through single payer health services financed by the general revenues of the government, any government.

    The question though, raised in Israel, is one of anti-Semitism on the part of the state, where the vast majority of those murdered are Jewish.
    In this regard I stand with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and his concern that the state of Israel, in its secular and socialist way, is sanctioning and funding the murder of Jews at an alarming rate.

    1. Under ObamaCare they will be state funded.

      I don't know if Planned Parenthood currently receives any Federal funding.

      I do know President Obama prayed "God Bless Planned Parenthood" which is about as strong a government verbal support as can possibly be made.

      I am going to go research 'does PP receive Federal Funding'

    2. >>>Funding

      Planned Parenthood headquarters on Massachusetts Avenue in Washington, D.C.
      Planned Parenthood has received federal funding since 1970, when President Richard Nixon signed into law the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act, amending the Public Health Service Act. Title X of that law provides funding for family planning services, including contraception and family planning information. The law enjoyed bipartisan support from liberals who saw contraception access as increasing families' control over their lives, and conservatives who saw it as a way to keep people off welfare. Nixon described Title X funding as based on the premise that "no American woman should be denied access to family planning assistance because of her economic condition."[42]
      In the fiscal year ending June 30, 2011, total(consolidated) revenue was $201 million: clinic revenue totaling $2 million, grants and donations of $190 million, investment income of $2 million, and $7 million other income.[43] Approximately two-thirds of the revenue is put towards the provision of health services, while non-medical services such as sex education and public policy work make up another 16%; management expenses, fundraising, and international family planning programs account for most of the rest.
      Planned Parenthood receives about a third of its money in government grants and contracts (about $360 million in 2009).[44] ((((By law, federal funding cannot be allocated for abortions,[45] but some opponents of abortion have argued that allocating money to Planned Parenthood for the provision of other medical services "frees up" funds to be re-allocated for abortion.[3][46]))))
      A coalition of national and local pro-life groups have lobbied federal and state government to stop funding Planned Parenthood, and as a result, Republican federal and state legislators have proposed legislation to reduce the funding levels.[45][47] Some six states have gone ahead with such proposals.[3][48][49][50] In some cases, the courts have overturned such actions, citing conflict with federal or other state laws, and in others, the federal executive branch has provided funding in lieu of the states.[49][50][51] In other cases, complete or partial defunding of Planned Parenthood has gone through successfully.[52][53]
      Planned Parenthood is also funded by private donors, with a membership base of over 700,000 active donors whose contributions account for approximately one quarter of the organization's revenue.[54] Large donors also contribute a substantial portion of the organization's budget; past donors have included the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Buffett Foundation, Ford Foundation, Turner Foundation, the Cullmans and others.[55][56][57][58] The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation's contributions to the organization have been specifically marked to avoid funding abortions.[55] Some, such as the Buffett Foundation, have supported reproductive health that can include abortion services.[55] Pro-life groups have advocated the boycott of donors to Planned Parenthood.[59]<<<


      ((((By law, federal funding cannot be allocated for abortions,[45] but some opponents of abortion have argued that allocating money to Planned Parenthood for the provision of other medical services "frees up" funds to be re-allocated for abortion.[3][46]))))

      This seems to me a rational conclusion, so I would say, yes, the Federal Government has been in the business of funding abortions in the United States.

      Others may see it differently.

    3. Sure, others see it differently.
      The Affordable Care Act is not yet in place, is not yet being implemented.

      I would oppose the government directly funding abortions.
      If the argument is that money is fungible, which is one I have made in regards the water treatment facility funded by the World Bank in Iran, then the US taxpayer has been forced to fund abortions in both the US and in Israel.

      I object to both.

      I would say that abortion in the US is a travesty, advocated by socialist politicos that support immigration for macro economic reasons.

    4. .

      Of course, the federal government supports (pays for) abortion services through its funding of such organizations as Planned Parenthood.

      Over and above the funding of these organizations, it can be argued that Obamacare will also fund abortions.

      Obmacare does not rule out paying for abortions. It doesn't do so by design. The House version of the bill authorizing Obamacare contained the Supak-Pitts Amendment which would have forced into Obamacare the Hyde Amendment restrictions on abortion. The Senate bill contained no such restrictions. In the reconciliation process, pressure from the White House along with that from Reid and Pelosi eliminated any abortion restrictions in the final bill and even the pro-life Dems voted for that final bill.

      We have seen the pressure being brought on churches by the administration to fund insurance for what are collectively called 'reproductive services'.

      And while there are some states that have passed laws restricting abortion coverage offered under Obamacare, there are others like Connecticut that opted to classify elective abortion services as an “essential health benefit” under Obamacare, ensuring that insurers will have to cover the procedure.

      There is no doubt the federal government through subsidies or grants for the cost of insurance will be paying for abortions.


    5. That is how it may be, Q, not how it has been.

      The comments and numbers I was responding to, and mentioned myself, were based upon the historic realities, not future projections.

    6. When there are those that claim that criticizing the secular state of Israel is anti-Semitic, how then can the murder of Jews by that self same government not be?

    7. .

      Anti-Semitism is a weak argument just as racism is a weak argument. Even if true, even if it is the reason the questions are asked, using the 'card' merely diverts, it does nothing to answer the questions

      Also, I share your views on abortion. However, your fixation on 'Israeli' abortions seems to indicate, to me, that your arguments are not objectively based especially when Israel has some of the toughest abortion laws around and a legal abortion rate half that of the US, the EU, China, the majority of other countries, a fourth that of Russia...I could go on.

      Even if you double the rate of legal abortions in Israel to make up for the numerous illegal abortions there, you still merely bring it up near the world average, still well below the US, Russia, China and others.

      So, I guess I just don't get your point.

      One of the few arguments that WiO offers here that I buy is that Israel is singled out more on this blog than other countries.


  30. I thought that the part about "property rights" was interesting. Or, actually, "non-property rights" - ie. All land is owned by the "State." You don't "buy" the land on which you build your house; you "Lease" it from the State. Jeebus.

    1. You lease your property rights from the state, in the US, too.
      Do not pay the property taxes, then claim your "Rights" when the government seizes the land for non-payment.

      You will discover you have no "Property Rights" if you have not paid the government the lease payments (taxes) on the property.

    2. rat is correct in this.

      The State needs to get it's money from somewhere. So they always turn to those who have something, where else can they turn?

      I think though there maybe one state where there are no property taxes. Wyoming comes to mind. Though I may be wrong.

    3. This seems to be one of those extremely rare instances where I can be shown to be wrong. Wyoming does indeed have property taxes -

      >>Assessed Values
      County assessors look at fair market value for most types of property. The state uses production to determine the value of mining and agricultural property. Wyoming state law applies percentages to market or production values to determine assessed values, or taxable values. The state assesses mining property at 100 percent. It assesses industrial property at 11.5 percent and all other property, including residential property, at 9.5 percent, as of 2011. For example, a house with a market value of $200,000 would have an assessed value of $19,000, 9.5 percent of its total value.<<<

      - though they are very low in comparison and are reasonable.

      Read more: http://www.ehow.com/info_7854346_wyoming-property-taxes.html#ixzz2ZSol9LVI

  31. .

    The FISA ruling on 'metadata' collection expired today but has been renewed.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) - A top-secret court has renewed the authority of U.S. national security officials to collect telephone data as part of a surveillance program that was exposed by intelligence leaker Edward Snowden.

    The Office of the Director of National Intelligence said it had decided to declassify and announce the program renewal, which occurs periodically but is never publicized.

    His disclosure prompted outrage from civil libertarians, members of Congress and privacy groups concerned with the sweeping nature of the telephone surveillance and a companion effort that monitors e-mails.


    1. From Peggy Noonan's column:

      “Part-time work is a lot better than no work,” says a 23-year-old waitress in an upscale California restaurant. “But it’s not what I expected two years out of college. I can’t believe I voted for this. This is not the change I wanted, and it feels like there’s no hope.”

    2. Whoops, not Peggy. But you get the idea.

    3. .

      It was Wesley Pruden, T. Close enough.

      the article raises the same questions I mentione yesterday or the day before, the growing underemployment problem and Obamacare's negative impact on it.

      Mr. Obama wasn’t responsible for the recession, only for making it worse. But the health care train wreck called Obamacare is all his. Mitt Romney, in the first presidential debate last year, apologized for adopting the term “Obamacare,” coined in the newspapers. The president waved away the apology, saying he liked the term. He should take his pleasure in it now, before the train collides with reality.

      Many employers are looking to hire even more part-timers before Obamacare kicks in with the requirement that employers with more than 50 full-time workers must offer “affordable insurance” to employees working more than 30 hours a week.

      It’s this approaching reality that dampens prospects for a full economic recovery. If an employer thinks the economy won’t get much better right away, he will become one of the “49ers,” limiting his payroll to 49 employees...

      Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/19/pruden-full-time-white-house-horror-show/?page=1#ixzz2ZYXufDKt


  32. Meanwhile, all the sound and fury signifying nothing in the Zimmerman/Martin affair has taken our attention away from really important news from the House IRS hearings --

    >>>Noonan: A Bombshell in the IRS Scandal A higher office is implicated. By PEGGY NOONAN CONNECT - Columnist's name
    Comments (1119)

    The IRS scandal was connected this week not just to the Washington office—that had been established—but to the office of the chief counsel.

    That is a bombshell—such a big one that it managed to emerge in spite of an unfocused, frequently off-point congressional hearing in which some members seemed to have accidentally woken up in the middle of a committee room, some seemed unaware of the implications of what their investigators had uncovered, one pretended that the investigation should end if IRS workers couldn't say the president had personally called and told them to harass his foes, and one seemed to be holding a filibuster on Pakistan.

    Still, what landed was a bombshell. And Democrats know it. Which is why they are so desperate to make the investigation go away. They know, as Republicans do, that the chief counsel of the IRS is one of only two Obama political appointees in the entire agency.<<<


    We are mow in the hallway in the White House, a few short steps away from the President's Office.

    And anyone with a brain knows who gave the OK for all this IRS harassment of political opponents: none other than Barack H. Obama, our worst and most corrupt President, evah.

    1. We are now in....

    2. DOJ: George Zimmerman Won't Be Getting His Gun Back. All this despite the fact that Zimmerman was found not guilty and despite a judge claiming all evidence would be returned.

    3. Of course he is not getting the weapon back.
      It is going to be used as evidence in the Federal trial.

      The Florida prosecution was so inept that the entire proceedings were, arguably, just a show trial.

    4. More than arguably. I'd say obviously a show trial. And the fix was tried to be put in by prosecutoral and judicial misconduct.

  33. Unfortunately the Woodwards and Bernsteins of this time are working to make Obama look good.

  34. I'd be very surprised if the Feds end up trying to prosecute/persecute Zimmerman. They know a losing hand when it's dealt to them.

  35. Video: Obama tries to break it to the left that the DOJ’s not going to prosecute Zimmerman

    The line that’s getting attention from this afternoon’s impromptu presser is that Trayvon Martin “could have been me 35 years ago,” but that’s both implausible and tangential to his real message. Why implausible? Because, if you believe Zimmerman’s account of the fight, Martin ambushed him and then pounded on him relentlessly after he’d fallen to the ground. Say what you like about President Spock, it’s hard to imagine him reacting that way to anything. To believe the “I could have been Trayvon” claim, you have to believe the most sinister explanation for what happened between Martin and Zimmerman — that Zimmerman killed him essentially in cold blood for the crime of being black, not in self-defense. No one outside of O’s lefty base seems to believe that anymore, which tells you who the target audience here is.

    But never mind that. Talking publicly about race is virtually all downside for The One, which is why he does it only when he’s forced to. (His wildly overpraised speech on race during the 2008 campaign was designed to calm the uproar over Rev. Wright.) It’s a given that the media will mindlessly praise him for his brilliance on the theory that anything the first black president has to say about race must be profound, but he gets no real political benefit from speaking up. He can’t be too critical of black culture or it’ll be considered a betrayal; if he’s too critical of law enforcement or the white majority, he risks damaging his party by alienating white voters that Democrats are desperate to hold onto. His allegedly “brilliant” comments on race are thus really just an exercise in tightrope-walking, with a little dished out to each side. It’s easy to fall off the tightrope — remember “the police acted stupidly”? — so his goal is simply to be as politic as possible without being so politic that the left decides he’s a sellout. No matter what he says, it’ll be “divisive,” a situation no pol ever wants to be in.

    The point is, it takes a lot to get him to inch out on the tightrope. What got him out there this time? Simple: He knows that Holder has no case against Zimmerman and that the left’s going to be disappointed when the DOJ investigation is dropped. Today’s presser was him reminding them that he feels their pain in order to brace them for the big letdown. And the letdown is coming:

    The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. The prosecution and the defense made their arguments. The juries (sic) were properly instructed that in a – in a case such as this, reasonable doubt was relevant. And they rendered a verdict.

    And once the jury’s spoken, that’s how our system works…

    1. But beyond protests or vigils, the question is: Are there some concrete things that we might be able to do? I know that Eric Holder is reviewing what happened down there, but I think it’s important for people to have some clear expectations here. Traditionally, these are issues of state and local government. The criminal code and law enforcement is traditionally done at the state and local levels, not at the federal levels.

      Follow the last link for a full transcript. He talks about the black experience with racial profiling but also acknowledges that “somebody like Trayvon Martin was probably, statistically, more likely to be shot by a peer than he was by somebody else.” He talks about “soul-searching” and training for local cops, but he also says this, which was a pleasant surprise:

      You know, there’s been talk about, should we convene a conversation on race? I haven’t seen that be particularly productive when, you know, politicians try to organize conversations. They end up being stilted and politicized, and folks are locked into the positions they already have…

      And let me just leave you with – with the final thought that, as difficult and challenging as this whole episode has been for a lot of people, I don’t want us to lose sight that things are getting better. Each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race. It doesn’t mean we’re in a post-racial society. It doesn’t mean that racism is eliminated.

      But, you know, when I talk to Malia and Sasha and I listen to their friends and I see them interact, they’re better than we are. They’re better than we were on these issues. And that’s true in every community that I’ve visited all across the country.

      The “national conversation on race” is political garbage and race relations are in fact getting better. He might be the only prominent Democrat in the country willing to concede those two points, but if there can only be one, it’s good that it’s the guy at the top who’s doing it. Speaking of garbage, though:

      And for those who – who resist that idea, that we should think about something like these Stand Your Ground laws, I just ask people to consider, if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman, who had followed him in a car, because he felt threatened? And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.

      Could Trayvon have stood his ground if Zimmerman punched him in the face and then started beating his head against the sidewalk? I sure hope so. Would he have been justified in shooting Zimmerman for following him in the car, though? Er, no, and the law doesn’t say that he is. The Florida statute gives you the right to stand your ground and use force if you’ve been “attacked.” Has O even looked at these laws? Or is he distorting them purposely to build momentum for the left’s new political initiative?

  36. http://mikopeled.com

    Miko Peled’s website

  37. Mandela’s dream yet unfulfilled
    By Matt McCarten, New Zealand

    5:30 AM Sunday Jun 30, 2013

    Nelson Mandela lies on his deathbed, rightly honoured for his sacrifice in fighting the evil of apartheid.

    Unfortunately that doctrine still lingers - in Israel. It’s a pity we in New Zealand were reminded of that in the week Mandela started to slip away.

    Two events highlight the plight of the Palestinians. A Palestinian from Gaza, Mohammed Assaf, won the Arab Idol singing contest. He had trouble crossing borders and arrived late, but climbed a fence and convinced someone else to let him take their place. On news of his victory, jubilant crowds took to the streets throughout the Occupied Territories. Even fun-hating Hamas saluted him.

    Assaf used his 15 minutes of fame by naming himself an international ambassador, calling for an end to the split between Hamas and the secularist Fatah Party. He also called for the end to Israel's occupation.

    I suspect the Israelis feel deeply guilty about their abusive role and but just can't confront the reality that their treatment of the Palestinian people is similar to how their forbears were treated by others.

    Israel resigns itself to blaming the victims and walling off the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and pretending they don’t exist.

    Mandela called it for what it is, a form of apartheid. How else would you describe a land of 11.5 million people where 6.5 million with a certain bloodline get full citizen privileges, the few Palestinians living within Israel's recognised borders live under separate laws, and the remaining millions banished to the Occupied Territories get no rights?

    Apartheid South Africa tried internal "independent homelands". West Bank and Gaza self-governing entities are fictions, too.

    How do we all get out of this mess?

    Enter last week Miko Peled, the son of an Israeli general who also served as governor of Gaza. His family is part of the ruling elite in Israel. At his public lecture in Auckland last Sunday he explained his journey from someone who was raised to believe the Jewish people in 1948 rose as heroes from the ashes to form a democratic state. The noble founders didn't hurt women and children, or stole or looted. They asked the Arabs to stay but they left of their own will.

    When Peled's niece was killed by a suicide bomber, he went on a personal journey to confront the myths on which he was raised. Peled's grandmother, who is 86, helped him on that journey. In 1948, as a young girl in Jerusalem, she witnessed the mass looting and the forced eviction of Palestinians from their homes that were then given to Israelis.

    In the 1967 war the Israelis erased many of the villages in the West Bank and replaced them with exclusively Jewish settlements. The former residents remain stateless and landless in refugee camps. After that victory Peled's father lobbied his Government to grant a Palestinian state or it would never happen. They didn't. Now it is too late.

    Peled puts his finger on the obvious conclusion to the Palestinian questions. There can never be a two-state solution. There is only one state. It's called Israel.

    Whether people like it or not the Occupied Territories are part of it. The present reality is untenable.

    One day soon, Palestinians will be a majority in Israel and its Occupied Territories. The world needs to find its backbone and tell Israel that their silliness must cease and be replaced with a secular democratic state like any civilised society.

    Until then, Mandela's dream of one person, one vote is still a work in progress.

    - Herald on Sunday

  38. There is a growing awareness of the unsustainable practice of Israeli sanctioned apartheid and unless Israel changes, the condemnation of Israel will continue.

    The US government is considering the prosecution off George Zimmerman on a civil rights charge, yet the same US government ignores the disgraceful and by international standards, unlawful practices of the Zionist State of Israel.

    The core of Israel’s ethnic nationalist policies is that religious background is the principal determining factor of how that country treats those who come under its power.

    Thus any Jew from the UK, Russia, Brooklyn or Toronto arriving in Israel has automatic claims to citizenship and hence enjoys greater rights than any Palestinian living in their ancestral homeland.

    This includes the right to travel on Jewish-only buses, drive on Jewish-only highways that connect the Jewish-only settlements enthusiastically being built on the best lands in the West Bank — all illegal according to international law.

    That is apartheid and is being recognized as such.

  39. By Larry Derfner |Published July 2, 2013

    Tzipi Livni joins the ‘Israel apartheid’ club

    Israel’s justice minister follows former prime ministers Barak and Olmert in applying the term to this occupying country.

    The newest self-hating Jewish anti-Semite, according to right-wing Zionist standards, is Tzipi Livni, who on Monday suggested that one of Israel’s possible futures is that of an “apartheid state.”

    From The Jerusalem Post:

    During her Eilat speech, Livni said she was impressed that youth in the country protested against the government decision to export natural gas. “I appreciate the fact that they care and are thinking about the future, and obligating us to think about the future,” she said. “But the time has come for the same youth to ask, to what kind of state do they want to leave the gas reserves? To a Jewish democratic Israel? Or to a binational Arab state? Or to an apartheid state? It is impossible to deal with economic issues and to ignore the important diplomatic issues related to two states for two peoples.”
    As the outraged “centrist” professor/commentator Gil Troy noted in his JPost blog, Livni, the country’s justice minister and figurehead negotiator with the Palestinians, joins two former prime ministers, Ehud Olmert and Ehud Barak, in applying the A-word to Israel. Like Olmert and Barak, she was warning of what would happen in the future if Israel doesn’t relinquish control over the Palestinians – but actually she, like Olmert and Barak, was talking about the present. If maintaining the occupation will become apartheid in the future, why, after 46 years of it, isn’t the occupation apartheid now? What’s going to be different later? Will the occupation become apartheid only after the Jews lose their majority (which now stands at about 51 percent) between the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea, where Israel is the only sovereign state? Will apartheid begin only when the Arabs reach 50 percent plus one of the area’s population, and so long as they’re at least one Arab shy of 50 percent, will apartheid be at bay?

    Myself, I don’t use that term to characterize the occupation because, as Troy points out, apartheid was based on race, while the occupation is based on nationality and territory. Instead, I prefer terms like “military dictatorship,” “tyranny” and “colonialism.” But I think the similarities between the occupation and apartheid far outweigh the differences – they’re both based on one kind of people “legally” lording it over another kind – so while the term is imprecise, it’s not an insult, or an offense, or, to use a term right-wingers love, a “blood libel.” And with Livni now joining the club, the campaign by Israel’s propagandists to brand those who make the occupation-apartheid comparison as anti-Semites has become an embarrassment, a tactic that will backfire.

    1. Tzipperdoodles makes PM that'd be something.

  40. AIPAC better get out the thesaurus, it has worn out, “blood libel”, “anti-semite" and "self-loathing jew." It is a bitch when you lose control of the dialog.

    1. Just like the Arab Spring loses control?

  41. The A-word is out there and it is beginning to gain traction. Perhaps even their lap dogs in the US congress will be making a yelp or two before their masters slap them in the snout.

  42. July 20, 2013
    Choosing Evil
    By James Lewis

    Clare M. Lopez is that vanishing rarity in Washington, a professional intelligence analyst who tells the truth. This week she writes about Obama's systematic surrender in the Jihad War, the aggressive war on America that our political class has denied since September 11, 2001.
    Lopez confirms in detail what many of us suspected: under Obama the US has flipped to the side of Islamic aggression.

    She writes,
    "... the United States of America has apparently abandoned the core principles of its Founding Fathers and capitulated to the forces of jihad and shariah.... "

    Amazingly, the administration seems to follow the Muslim Brotherhood's ideological imam, Yousef al-Qaradawi.

    It sure looks like we are now Qaradawi's string puppet:
    "When al-Qaradawi said that Mubarak had to go, the U.S. waited a whole three days before throwing America's key ally in the Middle East for over three decades under the bus. When al-Qaradawi called for Libyan rebels to kill Muammar Qaddafi ... the U.S. led the Western military campaign that brought al-Qa'eda, the MB, and chaos to Libya. And when al-Qaradawi issued a call for jihad in Syria ... It took the U.S. less than one week ... to announce authorization of stepped-up military aid to the al-Qa'eda-and-Brotherhood-dominated Syrian rebels."

    The Muslim Bros only have to pull a fatwah out of the hat and the United States of American jumps to do its bidding.

    Rub your eyes and pinch yourself --- this is not a horrifying dream. It's all too real.

    But surely Hillary can't be infected by the same disease?
    Oh yeah?
    "Since 2011, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had been working closely with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation [OIC] to implement UN Human Rights Council Resolution 16/18, one of the key vehicles aimed at legislating restrictions on Americans' .... right to free speech

    Anything that causes offense to Muslims will be forbidden. Remember the "Islamophobia" scare campaign? We are already on the way there, or have you tried to say a critical word about Muslims to a liberal lately.

    The world knows about Ms. Huma Abedan as Hillary's personal Muslim Brotherhood assistant. Huma no doubt helped to advise our Secretary of State about that war they keep making on us.
    Huma's husband is of course Anthony Weiner, the infamous crotch photo sexter, who has now jumped to the head of the pack for the Mayor of New York City.

    That would be the American city that saw 3,000 civilian war dead on September 11, 2001.
    The word "Islam" means surrender. Not peace. The peace only comes after you surrender.
    It could be that Obama is our Manchurian president, who learned as a child to surrender to Islam in that Indonesian madrassah. Could be.

    Or it could be that this administration is merely perverse, turning upside-down and backwards every single moral position the United States has taken since George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
    Whatever the smelly details may be, it looks like we are now on the side of savage oppression of women, Jews, Christians, secularists, and every other heretic throughout the Muslim world.
    Of course, it could all be just a coincidence.

    But notice one more fact.

    Thursday, Janet "Big Sis" Napolitano officially moved from Secretary of Homeland Security to the President of the University of California system.

    In the same 24 hour period the UC Board of Regents named "student Muslim activist Sadia Saifuddin," age 21, to be its next student member.

    Don't shut your eyes, don't turn away from the obvious.

    In the Middle East people are already dying in the tens of thousands, after our turn to the dark side.
    Funny thing is, that happens whenever the radical left comes to power in the world.
    Ever notice that?

    1. It's happening around here too. The good guys are now the bad guys, and the former bad guys are now the good guys.

      Topsy turvy.

    2. .

      ...brilliant... :-)

      But niggling and inconsequential, way too broad to be an indictment. If you actually want to say something, try making it specific so that those you call 'bad' guys can defend themselves.


    3. Okay, so Huma Abedin is Muslim, but admit it, you'd tap that at the drop of a hat. Any hat.


    4. .

      Yes, I would.

      And I'm sure Hillary would agree.

      (However, I must also say I think the photo you put up might have been photoshopped. I've seen a number of others were she didn't look half this good especially in the face. Of course, they may have been taken after putting in long hours working with Hillary.)


    5. Next you're going to tell me the one with Hillary on the airplane next thread was Photoshopped too.