Moscow says security agency FSB is in talks with the FBI over Snowden. But the whistleblower will not be extradited to the US, a Kremlin spokesman said, adding he's sure the fugitive NSA contractor will stop harming Washington if granted asylum in Russia.
“Russia has never extradited anyone, and will not extradite,” said Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov.
Russian President is not handling the case of the former CIA employee Edward Snowden, as “Snowden has not made any request that is subject to consideration by the head of the state,” Peskov added.
The issue of Snowden asking for temporary asylum “was not and is not on Putin’s agenda,” Peskov continued, saying that it lies in the sphere of the countries’ security agencies.
Head of the FSB Aleksandr Bortnikov and FBI Chief Robert Mueller are engaged in the discussion over Snowden, Putin’s spokesman said Friday.
Responding to the question of whether the former NSA contractor will continue harming the US by leaking classified materials while in Russia, and if the situation is going to undermine Moscow’s ties with Washington, Peskov stressed that “the head of state has expressed strong determination not to allow this,” referring to Putin’s earlier statements.
“I have no doubt that this will be the case, no matter how the situation develops,” the spokesman added.
Meanwhile, the US Senate threatened Thursday that it might impose sanctions against any country that provides asylum to Snowden, including revocation or suspension of trade privileges and preferences.
At the same time the US State Department does not believe that imposing international sanctions because of Snowden would be of any use, said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki.
“We have not seen the text of the proposed bill, but we feel that in general legislation imposing sanctions under these circumstances would not be helpful,” Psaki shared, adding that she is not going “to make a prediction about any step we may or may not take.”
“Our focus in this specific case is having Mr. Snowden returned to the United States, and we still feel Russia has the opportunity to do that and to take the right steps,” the spokesperson stressed.
“Our focus in this specific case is having Mr. Snowden returned to the United States, and we still feel Russia has the opportunity to do that and to take the right steps,” the spokesperson stressed.
The 30-year-old Snowden has been stripped of his US passport, and is wanted by the United States on espionage charges for carrying out one of the biggest security leaks in the American history.
The NSA leaker has been stuck in Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport since his arrival from Hong Kong, and remains there while his asylum plea is being reviewed by Russian immigration authorities.
His request followed weeks of searching for a way to leave the country, which he had intended to pass through only briefly on his way to another destination.
Edward Snowden, do not criticize Putin, Mother Russia, the vodka or the women.
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DeleteHow could you criticize the vodka?
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By telling the truth and saying it's often made at home and is death by the drink.
DeleteSnowden shouldn't criticize anything in Russia.
The US Press gangs up on Snowden. Now why is that.? Could it be because when it comes to truth and information the US MSM is pathetic?
ReplyDeleteAs the mainstream American press goes after NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, the leakers' revelations are becoming an afterthought.
Walter Pincus, 80, knows his way around a scandal. The columnist and former reporter at the Washington Post has written about Watergate and Iran-Contra, numerous intelligence-related affairs and has won the Pulitzer Prize. But he has been criticized, even by his colleagues, for being too close to the US government -- especially the CIA, for which he spied in his younger years.
But now, Pincus has truly embarrassed himself: Last week the Washington Post had to add a three-paragraph-long correction to a two-day-old Pincus column, invalidating its core claims. This was an unprecedented measure in the 136-year history of the American capital’s most lauded newspaper.
Pincus had speculated that whistleblower Edward Snowden, as well as the two people centrally responsible for publicizing the NSA revelations, Guardian reporter Glenn Greenwald and documentary filmmaker Laura Poitras, had a political agenda and were surreptitiously "directed" by Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. Pincus’ "evidence" turned out to be demonstrably false, rendering the "corrected" column -- or what was left of it -- little more than malicious gossip.
Greenwald, who has been caught in the US media crossfire for some time, immediately protested against the "baseless innuendo" in an open letter. The Washington Post waited over 48 hours before correcting its blunder without comment.
A Growing Anti-Snowden Chorus
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In his broadside against Snowden and Snowden's press contacts, Pincus was going along with both the government and the zeitgeist. A growing number of mainstream media outlets have been focusing their criticism on the leakers -- Snowden in Moscow, Greenwald in Rio -- instead of the content of their leaks. American headlines aren't being dominated by the latest details of the seemingly endless scandal, but by the men who brought them to light.
This began at the Post when Snowden, before contacting Greenwald, offered his secrets to security reporter Barton Gellman. Gellman quickly discredited Snowden as "capable of melodrama," partly because of his uncompromising terms. Since then Snowden hasn't provided any more revelations to the paper.
And so it has continued. The financially struggling Post, which was responsible for exposing the Watergate scandal, derided the Guardian as "financially struggling" as well as "small and underweight even by British standards." "Why is a London-based news organization revealing so many secrets about the American government?", it griped, as if that were only permitted of American journalists.
A recent Post editorial, that may as well have been written by the White House, argued that Snowden's leak harms "efforts to fight terrorism" and "legitimate intelligence operations." The leaks must immediately end, it argued -- a strange conclusion from the grandmother of leak journalism. Columnist Richard Cohen didn't hold back either: Snowden is "narcissistic," Greenwald is "vainglorious."
He wasn't alone. In the New York Times David Brooks accused Snowden of having "betrayed honesty and integrity." Roger Simon, chief political columnist at the website Politico, referred to Snowden as "the slacker who came in from the cold." Jeffrey Toobin, a New Yorker essayist, called him a "narcissist who deserves to be in prison." And Melissa Harris-Perry, from the otherwise progressive cable channel MSNBC, critized Snowden's behavior as "compromising national security."
In the Huffington Post, media critic Jeff Cohen called MSNBC the “official network of the Obama White House" -- a White House which, under president Obama, has famously declared war on whistleblowers.
Guardian's American Triumph
There's another reason for the united media front: The Guardian is becoming a competitive threat for American media outlets. The first Snowden video interview received almost seven million clicks on the newspaper's US website. "They set the US news agenda today," Associated Press star reporter Matt Apuzzo tweeted enviously.
Why? Janine Gibson, the Guardian's American chief, told the Huffington Post that their competition has a "lack of skepticism on a whole" when it comes to national security. Critical scrutiny, she said, has been considered "unpatriotic" since 9/11.
The greatest humiliation would be if the British usurper won a Pulitzer Prize. Only American media can apply for it, but the Prize committee accepted one submission by the Guardian last year. Its reasoning? The newspaper has an “unmistakable presence" in the United States.
- der Spiegel
Cat Stevens goes bad.
ReplyDeleteYusuf Islam (Cat Stevens): "I'm praying to Allah to give us victory over the kuffar"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/07/yusuf-islam-cat-stevens-im-praying-to-allah-to-give-us-victory-over-the-kuffar.html
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No longer on the Peace Train.
Cat Stevens - Peace Train Lyrics
Now I've been happy lately
Thinkin' about the good things to come
And I believe it could be
Something good has begun
Oh, I've been smilin' lately
Dreamin' about the world as one
And I believe it could be
Some day it's goin' to come
'Cause out on the edge of darkness
There rides a peace train
Oh, peace train take this country
Come take me home again
Now I've been smilin' lately
Thinkin' about the good things to come
And I believe it could be
Something good has begun
Oh, peace train soundin' louder
Glide on the peace train
Come on now, peace train
Yes, peace train, holy roller
Everyone jump up on the peace train
Come on now, peace train
Get your bags together
Go bring your good friends too
Because it's gettin' nearer
It soon will be with you
Now come and join the livin'
It's not so far from you
And it's gettin' nearer
Soon it will all be true
Oh, peace train soundin' louder
Glide on the peace train
Come on now peace train, peace train
Now I've been cryin' lately
Thinkin' about the world as it is
Why must we go on hatin'?
Why can't we live in bliss?
'Cause out on the edge of darkness
There rides a peace train
Oh, peace train take this country
Come take me home again
Oh, peace train soundin' louder
Glide on the peace train
Come on now, peace train
Yes, peace train, holy roller
Everyone jump up on the peace train
Yes, come on peace train, yeah
Yes, it's the peace train
Come on now, peace train, oh peace train
I remember the howls of derision when I quoted from “The Guardian” at the Belmont Club.
ReplyDeleteI have been reading the Guardian since I was nineteen taking my daily commute from South Woodford to Ruislip on the Central Line. What a glorious autumn that was!
Can you believe someone posted a youtube video of an end to end trip on The Central Line? What an age that we live in:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7lny85MvT4
I got on at 13:00 minutes Woodford.
Delete>>>>Oh, I've been smilin' lately
ReplyDeleteDreamin' about the world as one
And I believe it could be
Some day it's goin' to come
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Now I've been cryin' lately
Thinkin' about the world as it is
Why must we go on hatin'?
Why can't we live in bliss?<<<<
There it is, right there. The Eschatological Yearning. The longing for the end of things as they are, the refusal to accept the world as it is, played on the blue guitar.
The turn to violence.....foretold in some simple lyrics.....
You have to be kidding me:
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You see Jihad in Cat Steven’s “Peace Train"?
ReplyDeleteI am able to see things others cannot see.
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The fat ass from New Jersey, a leg tingler convert, with a misplaced strap around his morbidly gross stomach (It should be around his always open mouth; donuts in and bullshit out) was all over the press as to how those against the NSA should talk to 911 survivors. He was trying to knee butt Rand in the balls, but Jersey Fats could not raise the ham bone high enough.
ReplyDeleteRand Paul retorted and flew like a butterfly and stung like a bee:
Rand Paul @DrRandPaul
The President and Chris (Crist)ie need to explain to 9/11 victims their support for Islamic militants in Syria
The falstaffian fool went on to say, “This strain of libertarianism that’s going through parties right now and making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought,” Christie said on a panel in Aspen, Colo. on Thursday.
ReplyDeleteReal dangerous, worse than the the US wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and our support for al Alqaeda in Libya, Egypt and Syria, Where is a massive coronary when we need one?
What Did You Do During the War on Terror?
ReplyDeleteby Nick Gillespie Jul 25, 2013 9:55 AM EDT
Michigan’s Justin Amash and John Conyers—and a rag-tag band of Republican and Democratic mavericks—are fighting for your civil liberties whether you like it or not.
This is what bipartisanship looks like—and it looks pretty damn fresh.
Yesterday, a bill co-sponsored by Reps. Justin Amash (R-MI) and John Conyers (D-MI) that would have brought NSA domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens into rough compliance with the Constitution nearly passed the House of Representatives in a razor-thin loss. Ninety-four Republicans and 111 Democrats broke ranks with their party’s leadership in the losing 205–217 effort (a dozen members didn’t vote).
Amash—singled out by name by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) as a “wacko bird” after Sen. Rand Paul’s epic filibuster over the Obama administration’s drone policy—has emerged as the leader of a pack of unapologetically libertarian-leaning Republicans who vote their principles rather than their party.
Like Rand Paul—who has worked with liberal Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and other Democrats on specific issues related to civil liberties—Amash shows that bipartisanship is not only possible but that it doesn’t have to be an exercise in mushy, centrist, logrolling compromise. For Amash, it’s not about splitting the difference between a turd sandwich and a giant douche, it’s about bringing votes to your side by standing up for core beliefs. No wonder GOP leaders have taken to calling Amash and others like him “assholes.”
The Amash-Conyers Amendment was attached to a $598 billion defense-spending bill that passed easily and would have, writes Amash, ended the “NSA’s blanket collection of Americans’ telephone records. It does this by requiring the FISA court under Sec. 215 [of the Patriot Act] to order the production of records that pertain only to a person under investigation.”
In a characteristically lucid explanation posted on his Facebook page (Amash gives reasons for all his votes there), the University of Michigan Law grad underscores that the bill wouldn’t have forbidden legitimate investigations into suspected terrorist activity, but it would have provided clear limits on the government’s at-will ability to vacuum up phone and other metadata. Amash’s interest in small government doesn’t end with cutting cowboy-poetry readings and agricultural subsidies (he voted against the recent farm bill because it increases spending on subsidies and crop insurance).
Apart from being from Michigan, Amash and Conyers don’t have much in common. The son of Palestinian and Syrian immigrants, Amash is barely in his 30s and barely in his second term. Conyers has been in office longer than Amash has been alive (indeed, he was on Nixon’s enemies list before Amash was born). Amash is a hardcore libertarian Republican whose office walls are plastered with portraits of free-market, “Austrian School” economists such as Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, and Murray Rothbard (about the only Austrian not represented is The Sound of Music’s Captain von Trapp). Conyers is a liberal’s liberal who helped found the Congressional Black Caucus, has pushed nationalized health care for decades, sued George W. Bush over the 2005 budget, and thinks that the Ohio vote in 2004 was rigged.
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ReplyDeleteBut when it comes to civil liberties and some other related issues, Amash and Conyers—and many of their colleagues—can pull together across party lines. Indeed, successful amendments to the defense bill pushed by Tea Party favorites Reps. Thomas Massie (R-KY) and Trey Radel (R-FL) unambiguously limit U.S. aid and involvement in Egypt and Syria without congressional oversight. Such victories are, as McClatchy’s William Douglass and Hannah Allam put it, the result of “an unusual House coalition of conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats.”
Unlike the situational hawks and doves of both parties—whose interest in bombing foreign countries and limiting executive-branch overreach tends to wax and wane depending on who’s sitting in the Oval Office—don’t expect Amash, Massie, and the others to flip their wigs if and when the GOP wins back the Senate or the White House.
In a stinging note to his House colleagues, Amash wrote on Facebook, “As you go home for August recess, you will be asked: Did you oppose the suspicionless collection of every American’s phone records? When you had the chance to stand up for Americans’ privacy, did you?”
Which brings us to another form of bipartisanship—one that looks pretty damn ugly. Speaking not just for the Obama administration and the Democrats but for the majority of Republicans who ultimately voted against limiting the NSA, presidential mouthpiece Jay Carney said that his boss “welcomes a debate about how best to simultaneously safeguard both our national security and the privacy of our citizens” even as he acknowledged that Obama wants to talk about such matters only “in light of the recent unauthorized disclosures” by Edward Snowden and other leakers. But the time for talk, Carney emphasized right before the vote on the defense-spending bill, should come only after the issue is settled: “We urge the House to reject the Amash Amendment.”
On the narrow issue of a vote to limit and defund the NSA, Obama, pro-war Democrats, and what can only be called the “Angry Bird” caucus of the GOP have won the day.
But the bipartisan effort on civil liberties being led by Justin Amash is likely to win the longer struggle because it proceeds from deep-seated principle rather than lip-service politics. Years from now, when the fever over the threat of Islamo-fascism has broken and all the government’s abuses in the name of protecting Oklahomans from the imposition of Sharia and Floridians safe from exploding water parks have fully come to light, both Obama and Amash will have to look their kids in the eye and answer the question, “Daddy, what did you do during the War on Terror?”
One of them will be able to say without hesitation that he consistently stood up for transparency, the rule of law, and the idea that the government doesn’t have the right to watch you simply because it can. Who knows what Obama will say?
This brings up a point on which party is worse, the Democrat or the Republican. I have come to believe that it is the Republican. We know where the Democrats stand and there is little that they stand for that I support, but everyone knows who they are.
ReplyDeleteThe Republicans play on that. Their biggest selling point is that at least they are not the Democrats. What the Republicans do is contribute to cynicism and crony capitalism. They are in the way of a meaningful return to constitutional values.
I believe if we turn away from the Republican Party and support serious candidates based on their support for constitutional values, enough Democrats will join in the cause. It will never change without it. Eight years of George Bush set the stage for Barack Obama. Sixteen years of damage is enough.
Welcome to the real world, Deuce.
DeleteThe Democrats tell the folk what positions the hold to, where they stand and then the Democrats try to follow through on a big government.
The Republicans give lip service to "conservative", small government policy positions, then they toe the Federalist line.
The Republicans are hypocrites to the extreme, the Democrats, at least honest when they're wrong.
If you don’t believe it, then take a look at who are in the wings:
ReplyDeleteJeb Bush
Chris Cristie
Marco Rubio
Hillary Clinton
There is no difference between any of them. Clinton would be perfectly comfortable in the Republican Party and the three clowns are Clintonian in every way possible except for Cristie who may have a problem getting a blow job at a desk.
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DeleteYou are on a roll, deuce, please continue if you are not exhausted.
Yes, I see the fatal longing for perfection in Peace Train, in --
Dreamin' about the world as one
And I believe it could be
Some day it's goin' to come
and
Why must we go on hatin'?
Why can't we live in bliss?
Dreamin' demands like this, the world as 'one' (what does this really mean, anyway?) which the wise know are impossible of fulfillment, even after, O, say, three more revolutions, often morph into a turn to violence to achieve it, and so we get -
"I'm praying to Allah to give us victory over the kuffar"
Cat Stevens is now praying to Allah for "victory" OVER YOU, Deuce Kuffar.
It's the tragic flaw in idealism.
Deuce and rat dont understand "I'm praying to Allah to give us victory over the kuffar" they are too busy bashing Israel.
DeleteIf one were to believe a singer from England is of any political consequence, in the US, then you must be an idiot.
DeleteIf one were to believe a washed up cowboy from AZ opinion actually matters, in the US, then you must be an idiot.
DeleteThose opinions certainly keep you engaged, quot.
DeleteWhich, as you just wrote, says more about you than it does about me.
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Speedway knocking the cover off the ball in Michigan with twenty-seven, and twenty-eight percent spreads on E85:
ReplyDeleteMichigan E85 prices
Same in Ohio
DeleteMade in Michigan
DeleteThey could probably get another 50 Million gallons/yr from those farmers' corn cobs, and stalks.
DeleteHow in the hell could anyone from Michigan not be in favor of driving a Detroit-made car, on Michigan grown fuel?
Especially when it costs less than Saudi Arabian fuel?
December Ethanol Futures were selling, yesterday, for $1.86/gal - and, that's not counting the RINS.
DeleteWe could, quite possibly, be seeing sub-$2.00/gal E85 this Winter.
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DeleteWhen I saw your first posts above, I ignored them. We went through this only a couple of weeks ago. Now that you seem intent on continuing this stream, I will respond.
Since the spread in Ohio is larger than that in Michigan, and since Ohio is also highly dependent upon the auto industry, and since you seem drawn specifically to MI when speaking of E85, perhaps I am being overly suspicious but I get the feeling the "anyone from Michigan" comment is a thinly veiled dig at me.
Let me first start by saying you evidently share Bob's reading comprehension problem. On numerous occasions in the past, I have said that I favor ethanol, in fact, I love it (along with every other alternative energy solution out there). It is part, the most important part so far, of alternative energy solutions that have helped reduce the amount of oil consumed.
However, what I do object to, and what we have argued about in the past are subsidies (thankfully they are gone on ethanol) . But I also object to mandates of all kinds, and the current ones especially because they not only distort the market but they are inflexible. I object to the posting willy-nilly of absurd articles without analysis from Clean Technica that purport to prove that the use of ethanol has resulted in a savings of a $1.09 off the gasoline price we were buying a year or so ago. I object to absurd ideas that every county in the nation could have an ethanol refinery if we would 'only put in the investment'. I object to taking cutting edge technology like a racing car and assuming that we can convert the entire US fleet overnight. I object to overly optimistic assumptions as to how quickly we can get switched over to ethanol, especially cellulosic ethanol. I object to taking one-offs and implying something bigger.
Take a look at the 'average' spread on the Michigan link you put up. 20.2 % Doesn't even cover the mileage loss.
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It does in my car, and it way more than does in some others, such as the Ford Focus.
DeleteYou just "object" to a lot of things. Too bad.
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DeleteThe infamous Rufus-mobile, usually kept out of sight in the Ruf-cave.
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It's a nice day out, let's not argue honey.
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In the immortal words of the unfortunately departed, and greatly missed, Doris, "blow me."
DeleteIt must be at least two weeks since we heard from the Dark Dour Prince of Judea on any new existential game changing red lines.I guess we should just standby for further orders.
ReplyDeletewell I think the news is America? Under Obama is not happy that the islamic nazis are losing in egypt.
DeleteAnd the news is that under Obama, Iran is set to got hot.
And the news is? 2 square miles of Jewish homes in jerusalem really are none of America's or the world's business.
As long as the socialist in Israel are using US funds and loan guarantees, what the totalitarians in the Israeli government does with the money is the business of the US.
DeleteIt will remain so, until the Israeli gain independence from US.
The Israeli are just another special interest group of US welfare drones, got their hands out looking for Uncle Sugar to pay their bills.
But you are a just fugitive from justice, not the US.
DeleteRat :It will remain so, until the Israeli gain independence from US.
DeleteSo America is an apartheid city state that provides abortions is Israel?
No, the US is a nation that supports a socialist apartheid regime of a city state in the Israeli portion of Palestine, one that funds the murder of Jews under the precepts of Judaic Law. Israel, a nation that is financially dependent upon the US for the prosperity it enjoys and protection from the consequences of its criminal activities
DeleteThe funding of the apartheid state, by the US, is a moral travesty. It is the US funding of the immoral and criminal actions of the secular state of Israel that gives cause to the outrage.
Otherwise Israel would be on par with Zimbabwe and North Korea, out of sight, out of mind, free to follow whatever domestic policies its government felt in its best interest, with little complaint from anyone in the US.
Israel would then just be another nation in the world, not a financial dependent of the United States. The direct financial aid to Israel, well over $30 billion USD in the 21st century, would be better spent in the US than in the Middle East. The loan guarantees better and more productive to the interests of US citizens if provided to domestic US polities than to a foreign city state in Palestine.
Wow all that for less than 1% of Israel's GDP.
Deleteyou should get out more rat....
America's support of Israel is welcomed of course. But less than 1% of it's GDP.
Hardly making Israel " a nation that is financially dependent upon the US for the prosperity it enjoys and protection from the consequences of its criminal activities"
Your positions are laughable.
But then again? So are you.
Now this is a good one...
Delete"Otherwise Israel would be on par with Zimbabwe and North Korea"
Not bad coming from someone who never has visited Israel. Oh that's right, you can't fly international can you? You could not get thru the security checks eh?
Rat: The loan guarantees better and more productive to the interests of US citizens if provided to domestic US polities than to a foreign city state in Palestine.
DeleteYou understanding of the international banking system is shall we say... "limited to the back of a match box"?
Loan guarantees do not actually COST America ANYTHING...
Loan guarantees to Israel are just another way that the United States financially helps the Jewish state, but this is done without even spending one dollar. In 1992, Congress and President Bush authorized $10 in guarantees to Israel and, in 2003, a new set of loan guarantees - for $9 billion - were put in place to serve until 2012. In January 2012, this guarantee was extended a further three years to last until 2015.
Guarantees are not grants — not one penny of U.S. government funds are transferred to Israel. The U.S. simply cosigns loans for Israel that give bankers confidence to lend Israel money at more favorable terms: lower interest rates and longer repayment periods — as much as 30 years instead of only five to seven. These loan guarantees have no effect on domestic programs or guarantees. Moreover, they have no impact on U.S. taxpayers unless Israel were to default on its loans, something it has never done. In addition, much of the money Israel borrows is spent in the United States to purchase American goods.
Now since Israel has NEVER renig'd on paying back it's loans? It sets it apart from many other nations...
So in the end your pointing your boney, rat like fingers at Israel just proves what a total jerk off you are....
Now rat is obsessed with the murder of jewish souls in Israel, EVEN if using his own POV most of the Jews in Israel are not Jews.
DeleteWhat number of actual Jewish SOULS have been murdered in Israel by israelis? Far fewer than the number he quotes SINCE HE HIMSELF claims that the typical Israeli aint even a true Jew. these are Rat's assertions.. NOT MINE>
Now we do know, USING Rat's standards, America has murdered 55 million souls since roe v wade and Russia leads the world in murdered souls so why Rat obsesses about Israeli souls?
Unless? One standard for Israel and NO STANDARD for anyone else... IE Rat is a bigot
desert ratSat Jul 27, 11:53:00 AM EDT
DeleteAs long as the socialist in Israel are using US funds...
Israel uses US aid to purchase American military wares. that is the be all and END all of American oversight, what Israel does with the other 99% of it's own earned wages? Is ISRAEL's business, not the USA's.
So again, why is it any of YOUR or the USA's concern what Israel DOES that do not effect the direct military aid that the USA supplies?
The US has guaranteed the Israeli's "Rolling Over" their debt.
DeleteThe Israeli have not paid back, except by through a Madoff style "Ponzi Scheme"...
Only a person of questionable moral standing would call rolling over a debt, paying it, especially in so far as the guarantor of that debt is concerned.
As published in Slate magazine ...
But Israel has already received nearly $10 billion in loan guarantees from the United States since 1992, and while it has yet to default on any of those loans, this new round of guarantees is intended in part to help Israel pay off the old debt. Which means the United States could be stuck with a bill ranging anywhere from zero to $9 billion plus interest.
Over 1/2 of America gets AID from the American government, most of those receive far more than 1% of their gross pay.
DeleteSo by Rat's own terms. ANYONE of those that commits a crime or has an abortion, the USA government and it's people supports.
Wio, please explain this, if you can. Why does Israel take US aid? Madoff when he was doing his Ponzi scheme could have called it a Ponziwitz scheme. He preyed almost exclusively on Jews, took them for $30-50 Billion, and though devastating to the individual, hardly caused a blip on the incredible collective wealth of Jews. Israel is a Jewish club. Why do you want to hear shit from guys like me? Pay your own way. What is the problem?
DeleteThe silence is deafening, aye?
DeleteNo rat, it's called having a life.
DeleteDeuce, excellent question and it deserves an honest,thoughtful answer.
DeleteI have ALWAYS advocated the reduction of ECONOMIC aid to Israel, and as you now know, under Bibi's leadership that has been reduced to ZERO.
As for military aid? that gets a little more complicated.
Israel gets 3 billion a year from America from Bush's military assistance program, 3 billion a year for ten years.
At 1st glance it would make sense for Israel to reduce this aid as much as possible.
But if you factor in the following you will see how it makes no sense.
1. America FUNDS, SUPPLIES and TRAINS the collective ENEMIES of the State of Israel.
Last year alone:
Billions in advanced weapons to Saudi Araubi
250 million to Lebanon / Hezbollah
Billions a year to the Palestinians in economic and MILITARY Aid.
And the list goes on...
Weapons from Libya "liberated" by the USA now are in the hands of Jihadists in the Sinai and Gaza
America sells/gives weapons to MANy a jihadist nation (including turkey) and Israel has deemed it smart to cooperate with the USA by staying in the loop, America's 3 billion allows Israel to purchase the same weapons with a "better" code package, thus maintaining a quality edge of the jihadists.
Now if America would stop supplying the enemies of Israel LETHAL weapons? I'd say to Israel to stop accepting all military aid as well.
Of course the moment Israel's aid stops? Israel would not have to LISTEN to the poor advise that Washington has given over the decades.
Now quot is attempting to conflate my position on abortion with that of the Chief Rabbinate of israel.
DeleteHow foolish.
The two are not the same. I am not a person that is concerned with the precepts of Judaic Law.
The Chief Rabbinate of Israel is.
It is the Chief Rabbinate of Israel who tells us that Israel is financing the murder of Jews in Israel, over 250,000 this century.
quot attempts to conflate the private health care system of the US with the socialist one in Israel.
The government of the Us has not funded 55 million abortions in the US, The governmet of Israel has funded what the Chief Rabbinate of Israel describes as murder under the precepts of Judaic Law of 250,000 Jews in Israel.
quot often rfers to myself, Deuce and any on else that criticizes the policies of the US funded secular state of Israel as being anti-Semitic. But not a word about the anti-Judaic actions of the state of Israel.
The silence is deafening on the mass murder of Jews, financed by the Israeli government.
Murdered under the precepts of Judaic Law, not the laws of the United States.
The two are not the same, the standards are not the same.
No one has ever claimed the US was a Jewish Nation, as many have claimed of Israel.
The idea that the secular state of Israel is a Jewish nation is laughable. If the state of Israel was a Jewish nation they would not murder Jews. The state of Israel is as Jewish as King Herod, who also made history killing Jewish babies. As Jewish as the Pharaoh of Egypt. The one mentioned in Exodus 1.8
Then Pharaoh commanded all his people, “Every boy that is born to the Hebrews you shall throw into the Nile, but you shall let every girl live.”
The Israeli will reap what they sow, as did the Egyptians.
If one were to believe the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and the Book.
Seems sure as shootin' that the secular Israeli government does not.
They walk on the Dark Side, failing to heed the words of the Book or the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.
Rat you are a twit...
Deletethat is my response.
rat claims:
DeleteThe governmet of Israel has funded what the Chief Rabbinate of Israel describes as murder under the precepts of Judaic Law of 250,000 Jews in Israel.
Actually Israel only pays for the following:
Circumstances under which abortion is legal
A termination committee approves abortions, under sub-section 316a,[1] in the following circumstances:
The woman is younger than seventeen (the legal marriage age in Israel) or older than forty.
The pregnancy was conceived under illegal circumstances (rape, statutory rape etc.), in an incestuous relationship, or outside of marriage.
The fetus may have a physical or mental birth defect.
Continued pregnancy may put the woman's life in risk, or damage her physically or mentally.
In cases where the woman is granted an abortion due to the baby being conceived under illegal circumstances or incest, the fetus has a serious physical or mental defect, or the mother's health is in danger, the state pays for the abortion. In all other cases, the woman is charged.
Rat's grasp of facts is nonexistent.
Why argue with a twit?
In 2002, Israel requested new loan guarantees from the United States to help it cope with the devastating economic crisis caused by the Palestinian uprising and unrelenting terror attacks against its citizens, as well as to prepare for the anticpated defense and economic costs associated with the U.S. war with Iraq.
DeleteIn 2003, Congress approved $9 billion in loan guarantees over a three year period. As with the earlier guarantees, Israel was required to use the funds within the pre-1967 borders and the amount of the guarantees could be reduced by an amount equal to Israel's expenditures on settlements in the territories.
The loan period was initially extended one year, but Israel used only half the guarantees, so a request was made and approved by the United States to extend the period until 2011. As of January 1, 2010, Israel had borrowed $4.1 billion and roughly 25% of the total authorized was deducted ($289.5 million in 2003 and $795.8 million in 2005) for expenditures on settlements.
Another Rat point tossed in the ttrash heap of droppings.
Rat: quot often rfers to myself, Deuce and any on else that criticizes the policies of the US funded secular state of Israel as being anti-Semitic. But not a word about the anti-Judaic actions of the state of Israel.
DeleteNo, to find fault, criticize the POLICIES of the state of Israel is in it'sself not anti-Semitic.
To single OUT Israel to one standard that is not applied to others is.
To have post after post after post about Israel and literally none about anything else?
Ant-semetic.
If Israel is less than 1/9000th of the world and there are HUNDREDS of threads that constantly find fault with israel?
WHERE are the 10,000 of thousands of threads dealing with the rest of the world.
If 1/900th of the middle east is Israel, why do you and deuce call it "pirates", "outlaws" "city-state" "colonies" and yet do not talk about the OTHER 899/900th of the middle east.
You and Deuce BOTH have earned the honest assessment of "anti-semite" so at this time ANY time you criticize Israel?
Just PROVES your continued lopsided bias.
Rat, you are an enemy of the Jewish state and the Jewish people.
Wear your badge with pride. You are in fact what you say you are not, a jew hating ass....
>>>>By Reuters
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Bosnian gang member Poparic Milan escaped the jail in the Swiss canton of Vaud on Thursday night, along with another prisoner, after accomplices in two vehicles forced their way through a gate and fired at prison guards.
The Pink Panthers, who have a weakness for expensive watches, have staged about 340 robberies on luxury stores in Europe, the Middle East, Asia and the United States since 1999, making off with booty worth more than 330 million euros (£280m), according to Interpol.
Milan, 34, had been serving a jail sentence of six years and eight months for robbing a jewellery store in Switzerland's watch-making capital Neuchatel in 2009.
Known for their spectacular heists, the gang drove two cars into a Dubai shopping mall and through the window of a jewellery store in 2007, swiping goods worth 11 million euros in a raid lasting less than a minute.
The following year the group walked away with loot worth up to 85 million euros after entering the Harry Winston jewellers in central Paris disguised as women.
The Pink Panthers gained their nickname with a raid on a London branch of Graff Diamonds in 2003. A stolen diamond was found hidden in a pot of face cream, reminiscent of a scene from the 1975 film "The Return of the Pink Panther".
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/10205982/Pink-Panther-jewel-thief-breaks-out-of-Swiss-jail.html
Now, admit it, we all kinda secretly admire gangs like this, as long as no one gets hurt, do we not? (they should not have fired at the guards, unless to intentionally miss, and distract)
Are you the only person in America who doesn't admire D.B. Cooper?
It was during an early association with the Pink Panthers that Quirk first picked up his daring-do.
Morsi and Mubarak to be housed in same prison -
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Maybe the Egyptian Army will spring Mubarak one of these days, and let him die at home.
Morsi is looking at murder charges, though so far the details on this seem scarce.
Juror B29 was framed… sort of
ReplyDeletePOSTED AT 10:01 AM ON JULY 27, 2013 BY JAZZ SHAW
Allahpundit took a first look at the big Juror B29 Breaking News on Thursday, and like many of us, was left scratching his head. The headlines which showed up all across the media all focused on one money line from ABC’s big interview with “Maddy” because it was just so gosh darned irresistible. “George Zimmerman Got Away With Murder.”
Another person who jumped on that headline, albeit from a different angle, was Dr. James Joyner. That’s not surprising given the number of others who reported the “news” pretty much as presented by ABC. But now he’s had time to look over the situation and found that there was a lot more (or perhaps less) to the truncated interview clips than met the eye. Joyner points us to William Saletan, who takes a look at the unedited interview and determines, “The media are reporting that a juror says Zimmerman is guilty of murder. That’s not true.“
The reports are based on an ABC News interview with Juror B29, the sole nonwhite juror. She has identified herself only by her first name, Maddy. She’s been framed as the woman who was bullied out of voting to convict Zimmerman. But that’s not true. She stands by the verdict. She yielded to the evidence and the law, not to bullying. She thinks Zimmerman was morally culpable but not legally guilty. And she wants us to distinguish between this trial and larger questions of race and justice.
ABC News hasn’t posted a full unedited video or transcript of the interview. The video that has been broadcast—on World News Tonight, Nightline, and Good Morning America—has been cut and spliced in different ways, often so artfully that the transitions appear continuous. So beware what you’re seeing. But the video that’s available already shows, on closer inspection, that Maddy has been manipulated and misrepresented.
From Joyner:
The bottom line is that ABC News exploited “the only minority of the Zimmerman jury,” attempted to take advantage of someone not accustomed to being on television or otherwise expressing herself publicly, and then selectively edited the tape when they were unsuccessful in getting the story they wanted. Other outlets, including “the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, and dozens of other newspapers” were duped along with me.
This is truly shameful conduct on the part of a news division once home to giants like John Cameron Swayze, Frank Reynolds, Harry Reasoner, David Brinkley, and Peter Jennings.
Saletan makes a number of pretty much unassailable points on this, so read that entire piece. One of the chief ones is that the top, link baiting quote from the interview – that Zimmerman “got away with murder” – was, as the author puts it, “put in her mouth.” If you saw the highlights from the interview playing endlessly on ABC, CNN and NBC – to name only a few – you saw Maddy reciting that line as if it was her heartfelt conclusion in a moment of juror’s remorse. But when you watch the full interview, (which I’ll include below for your own judgement) you’ll see what really happened. The “journalist” in question fed her that line word for word, prefaced with the ubiquitous, “some people are saying…” for good measure, and then asking B29 to respond. She pauses for quite a while, starts, stops, and then repeats the line the interviewer had said, as if judging how it sat on her tongue. Only then does she add in her own thoughts about how the verdict was legal and that she stands by it, but morally she feels that Zimmerman may have to answer to God for the incident. And even there she clearly seems to allow that none of us know what really happened and aren’t in a position to judge.
I agree with Dr. Joyner that this was some pretty shameful editing on the part of ABC for the many instances where they used the footage, and the rest of the networks are equally culpable for lapping it up. Anyway, as I indicated above, here’s the full clip. Decide for yourself.
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/27/juror-b29-was-framed-sort-of/
DeleteOur MSM isn't worth a shit.
This is a piece of sad news ...
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Singer-songwriter JJ Cale dead at 74 after heart attack
More reason, if any where needed for the US to cut all funding to the Pakistani.
ReplyDeleteJAMMU: One BSF jawan was injured when Pakistani troops violated ceasefire twice in the space of 10 hours on Saturday by targeting Indian posts along the India-Pakistan border in Poonch and Kathua districts of Jammu and Kashmir.
The Pakistani troops used mortars, RPGs and heavy machine guns leading to heavy firing exchanges, officers of the Army and BSF said.
With these two incidents today, the number of ceasefire violations by Pakistan in July rose to six.
"There were small arms firing by the Pakistan Rangers on forward Kothay border outpost (BoP) in Kathua district around 5pm today", a BSF officer said.
In the firing, one head constable Baljeet Singh of 68 Battalion suffered injuries and was hospitalised, he said, adding the BSF troops took positions and fired back resulting in heavy exchanges which continued tonight.
As well as to the Indian government.
Both nations are nuclear outlaws and neither should not receive funds from the US.
I disagree that "neither should not receive funds from the US." Presumably this sentence means both nations should receive funds. On cultural and other grounds India should receive funds, Pakistan should not, unless the funds are used to keep the jihadis away from the government and the nuclear weapons. Pakistan is a murky business. They were hiding bin Laden but as yet they don't have an out and out jihadi government.
DeleteSmiling Buddha in 1974
Operation Shakti in 1998
A few weeks later -
Pakistan tests five nuclear devices
Like the Indian names for their bombs, much better than 'Fat Man' and 'Little Boy'
So India had around 25 years in which to wipe Pakistan off the map, and did not do so.
The Israelis have had as much time to wipe Arabia off the map, and have not done so.
Both India and Israel should be part of NATO, responsible countries as they have proven themselves to be.
Both of boobie's NATO candidates are nuclear outlaws.
DeleteNeither would obtain the unanimous support of our Europeon allies required for admittance to the alliance.
Doubt the Turks, French or even the Swedes would want to defend an apartheid regime in Israel, when push comes to shove.
I thought you would be out working with the Susan B. Anthony List folks on a lazy summer Saturday such as this, what with your deep concerns about abortion.
DeleteTaking the day off?
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DeleteBoth of boobie's NATO candidates are nuclear outlaws.
What law have they broken relative to 'nuclear'?
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It is raining.
DeleteI do not live under the precepts of Judaic Law, boobie.
I am merely pointing out that your position, that Judaism is the guiding light of civilization is not embraced by the secular state of Israel. That under the precepts of Judaic Law, the state of Israel finances the murder of Jews on a daily basis.
That the socialist government of Israel has financed the murder, under Judaic Law as expressed by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, of well over 250,000 Jews in the 21st century.
I deplore any nation that would finance the murder of that many Jews, as the Chief Rabbinate of Israel reports that the government of Israel does. I would deplore the fact that the government of the United States subsidized any nation that financed the murder of babies.
I would deplore it, even if the government of the US followed the socialist and totalitarian path blazed by the Israeli and implemented such atrocious public policies. Beginning the government funding of abortions here in the United States.
I think that, in a general way, the state of Texas has gotten it about correct.
Balancing the rights and obligations of both the women and the babies, under the precepts of what seems to be settled US Constitutional law.
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DeleteAn argument that they shouldn't be allowed in NATO might make sense but let's not be silly.
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DeleteBy beginning the government funding of abortions here in the United States.
DeleteBoth India and Israel operate outside the NPT.
As does North Korea and Pakistan.
All of those are "Nuclear Outlaws".
One does not have to be signatory to a law or a treaty to be outside it.
Especially as it pertains to the qualifications for NATO membership.
DeleteIsrael and India would be the only nations in the alliance that were not signatory to the NPT, thus, outside of the law, as enacted by the other NATO signatories.
DeleteThat would make both nations outlaws, by the standard of the NATO alliance.
NATO has a long-standing commitment to an active policy in arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation. The Alliance continues to pursue its security objectives through these policies, while at the same time ensuring that its collective defence obligations are met and the full range of its missions fulfilled.
DeleteAllies participate actively in international arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation treaties and agreements. NATO itself does not belong to any treaty as an entity but it continues to encourage its members, partners and other countries to implement their international obligations fully.
NATO’s policies in these fields cover consultation and practical cooperation in a wide range of areas. These include conventional arms control; nuclear policy issues; promoting mine action and combating the spread of small arms and light weapons (SALW), munitions and man-portable air defence systems (MANPADS); preventing the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and developing and harmonizing capabilities to defend against chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRN) threats.
Arms control and disarmament are key elements of the Euro-Atlantic security architecture. Over the past two decades, Allies have significantly contributed to more stable international relations at lower levels of military forces and armaments, through effective and verifiable arms control agreements.
At the Bucharest Summit in 2008, Allied leaders took note of a report on raising NATO’s profile in the fields of arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation. As part of a broader response to security issues, they agreed that NATO should continue to contribute to international efforts in these fields and keep these issues under active review. Subsequently these commitments were reaffirmed in the Strasbourg/Kehl Declaration in 2009 and the Lisbon Declaration in 2010.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_48895.htm
Both Israel and India would be out of compliance, with NATO policies.
Definitely not viable candidates for membership.
"Outlaws", as it were.
Allies participate actively in international arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation treaties and agreements.
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DeleteBoth India and Israel operate outside the NPT.
As does North Korea and Pakistan.
All of those are "Nuclear Outlaws".
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IMO, your reasoning is faulty. The NPT is a treaty. No one is obligated to participate.
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DeleteIsrael and India would be the only nations in the alliance that were not signatory to the NPT, thus, outside of the law
What law?
The NPT is a treaty. It outlines obligations for signatories only.
As I pointed out above, if you want to keep Israel and India outside of NATO, you could argue that one reason is that they are not signatories of the NPT but you can't argue that they are outlaws.
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DeleteAllies participate actively in international arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation treaties and agreements. NATO itself does not belong to any treaty as an entity but it continues to encourage its members, partners and other countries to implement their international obligations fully.
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rat: Both Israel and India would be out of compliance, with NATO policies.
Hell, rat, half of NATO is out of compliance. Two weeks ago you admitted the US didn't live up to its obligations under the NPT. We are the biggest arms dealer in the world. Given the CIAs short-term goals, US arms end up with every Tom, swinging Dick and, Harry in the world, 'friend' and 'enemy' alike. Look at FUKUS in Syria. We deal with the Taliban in Afgan and until a month ago were supplying arms to the MB in Egypt.
Doesn't look like NATO's 'encouragement' is doing much good.
Do what I say not what I do.
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DeleteOne does not have to be signatory to a law or a treaty to be outside it.
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DeleteOne does not have to be signatory to a law or a treaty to be outside it.
I see it's in italics. Where did this beaut come from, the Tao of rat?
First, we are not talking about a law, we are talking about a treaty, an agreement negotiated by two or more states for either peace or trade.
And while a signatory of a treaty may be 'de facto' outside the treaty, that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about, Israel and India, two states that 'choose' not to be part of the NPT.
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Deleteout·law (outlô)
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a. A fugitive from the law.
b. A habitual criminal.
c. A rebel; a nonconformist: a social outlaw.
2. A person excluded from normal legal protection and rights.
3. A wild or vicious horse or other animal.
To not be signatory to the NPT would put a nation into those two highlighted categories, especially where membership into the NATO alliance was concerned.
1c. By not signing the non-signatory nation is rebelling against the social norm, especially in regards NATO.
2. By choosing not to be signatory the nation is excluded from the normal rights of nations of those that are signatory. Those nations that rebel against the social norm have no right to the protections of the alliance.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/outlaw
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DeleteTo not be signatory to the NPT would put a nation into those two highlighted categories, especially where membership into the NATO alliance was concerned.
Lord, rat, if you truly 'believe' this shit, you are dumber than a stump.
Lady Gaga is a rebel. Boy George is a non-conformist. Justin Bieber is a social outlaw.
A person excluded from normal legal protection and rights? Libya was a signatory to the NPT. Protections? Tell it to Ghadafi. Oh, that's right, you can't. Syrian and Iraq were signatories to the NPT. Israel bombed their reactors. Did the US or any of the other signatories step in to 'protect' their partners in the treaty? Iran is a signatory to the NPT. What rights has it granted them? There is no proof they are nuclear capable. What help have we given them? Zip. Instead we have loaded them down with crippling sanctions that have ruined their economy. The 'Big Five' do what they want when it comes to the NPT. Everybody else gets the shaft.
You want legal protection and rights? Don't sign the treaty. The US helps India with its nuclear program (forbidden by the NPT as I recall by the way). Israel? We give them $billions in aid every year.
The credulity of anyone who thinks otherwise is beyond belief.
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Israel, the outlaw nation, the social misfit, bombed foreign countries.
DeleteThat, in and of itself would preclude them from unanimous approval required for membership in NATO.
But regardless of that, India and Israel both qualify as nuclear outlaws, they are outside the social norm of the participant members of the NATO alliance. There is no doubt or argument of that. Their refusal to join with the community of nations that make up NATO is, in and of itself a dis-qualifier.
They are both outlaw nuclear regimes, their decision to not become signatory to the NPT puts them outside of the norms of the alliance members.
As to US aid to India, as I have often said, that is a travesty and should be halted. Immediately.
DeleteThe fact that we do not, well, that does not change India's or Israel's status of being outside the norm of NATO alliance vis a vie nuclear weapon proliferation.
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DeleteThey ignore the NPT. That is the norm.
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Talk about a tourist destination ...
ReplyDelete16 million visitors travel to metropolitan Phoenix each year.
Not bad for a land lock metropolitan area that is the size of the Israeli portion of Palestine.
$30 million is the amount spent by visitors to metro Phoenix each day.
DeletePhoenix is a hot crime ridden monster city hell hole and I am glad so many go there and not up this way.
ReplyDeleteVegas is just the same though with a better police force and less crime and better shows and I am glad so many go there and not up this way.
These monster cities do serve that one good function.
It's possible rat may need one of those "two minute chemical cleanses" I have seen on the pop-up ads, warning of a build up of toxic parasites in one's gut.
ReplyDeleteThis would explain the nastiness and irrationality and aggression he has displayed these many years.
I may have stumbled on the source of rat's 'problem' because, as Trish said. "There's something really wrong with you, rat."
Who among us all could possibly counter a build up of toxic parasites in one's guts?
If I see that pop-up add again I will post as a humanitarian gesture to the rat and perhaps he can finally find relief, and peace.
http://secure2.toxicbellybugfix.com/?CID=tbbwnd4&ADID=2min&sid=727
DeleteIf you are getting pop-ups you've got malware and or a virus on your computer.
DeleteAhh, the genius of US foreign policy, another job well done by the Mission Accomplished Pricks of the Potomac
ReplyDeleteTRIPOLI, Libya – More than 1,000 detainees escaped from a prison near the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi in a massive jailbreak Saturday, as protesters stormed the offices of political parties in Libya’s main cities.
It wasn't immediately clear if the jailbreak at the Koyfiya prison came as part of the protests or if inmates received outside help. Protesters had massed across the country angry over the killing of an activist critical of the country’s Muslim Brotherhood group.
Those who escaped either face or were convicted of serious charges, a security official at Koyfiya prison said, confirming the jailbreak. He spoke on condition of anonymity as he wasn't authorized to speak to journalists.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/27/more-than-1000-inmates-escape-libyan-prison/#ixzz2aHcFp6vg
Not immediately clear?
DeleteHow could that be?
General Hamm knew within hours the source and motivations of the raid on the CIA/State Dept compound in Benghazi. Heard him say so on a TV clip from FOX News just the other day.
Now, the fact that within hours of the start of the attack two of the US personnel were dead, beyond rescue, he did not dwell upon. That the rest of the US personnel were able to evacuate the Benghazi in the morning, also went unmentioned.
No mention, either, of the lasers used from the CIA annex building, which were instrumental in the loss of the other two US personnel during the night.
But the General did say he and the rest of his command element knew within hours the source and the motives of the attackers.
Why is there no such analysis now?
If there is, why does FOX News not report it?
Who is covering up what and why?
There's always another layer of story in rat conspiracy world.
DeleteWhy, thanks to rat, Doug and I now know the third building at the World Trade Center was blown up with explosives.
Remember that one, Doug?
Maybe the situation simply isn't immediately clear yet, so there is nothing to say other than speculation.
Egypt: scores killed as army launches offensive against Muslim Brotherhood
ReplyDeleteOver 100 supporters claimed dead as soldiers are accused of shoot-to-kill policy to clear protest urging Morsi's release
>>>>The latest violence came amid the continuing sharp polarisation within Egyptian society that has made the country increasingly ungovernable. Elsewhere on Friday, eight people were reported killed in clashes in Alexandria.
The latest violence was condemned by members of the international community. The head of European Union foreign policy, Baroness Ashton, said she "deeply deplored" the latest deaths<<<<
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/27/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-morsi-supporters-killed
What the Baroness Ashton, with her English privilege, may deeply deplore, putting the MB back on its butt a bit, many modern unprivileged Egyptian women are no doubt deeply celebrating.
One would think that you would be celebrating boobie.
DeleteThat US arms and aid are setting the Muslim Brotherhood, as you say, on its butt...
Don't listen to the rhetoric, look at the results of US policies, in Egypt and Syria.
US weapons found their way to the pro-Assad forces, kicking more Muslim Brotherhood butt, there.
You do consider putting the Muslim Brotherhood on its butt a success, do you not?
That is what you wrote has happened, is it not?
Yet not one word of acclaim for the success of US policy from your keyboard.
Why is that?
US policy had very little to do with the goings on in Egypt and Syria.
DeleteExcept perhaps for that foolish Cairo Speech the One gave back in the day.
I'd think you be again blaming the Israelis for it all.
Go away, plague carrying rodent.
As I am going, to read my e-mails and go to Wal-Mart.
Let us both let the others have some peace.
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DeleteNot at all, boobie, it is US weapons and tactics that made putting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt on its butt possible.
DeleteWhy do you deny the success of long term US policies?
Why do you not give credit to the US when it is due?
Operation Bright Star is going on, as scheduled.
Operation Bright Star is a series of biennial combined and joint training exercises led by American and Egyptian forces in Egypt. These exercises began in 1980, ...
Stars and Stripes reports
Jul 24, 2013
The joint U.S.-Egypt training exercise known as Operation Bright Star will take place later this year as planned.
The US has had a tremendous amount to do with the putting the Muslim Brotherhood, as you say, on its butt.
Why will you not admit it?
Are you such an anti-American that you just refuse to acknowledge success?
Are you just ignorant of long term US policies around the world?
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DeleteAre you such an anti-American that you just refuse to acknowledge success?
Logic, rat. Try it some time. What you have posted here is the logical fallacy typically referred to a 'The False Dilemma'. Look it up somewhere where they can explain it to you. The other day you offered me a book suggestion on Abe Lincoln. Let me return the favor. I suggest you get a book on logic. A short, simple one is Being Logical: A Guide to Good Thinking by D.Q. McInerny. A I recall, it's only a little over a hundred pages long. It should help get you past what you didn't learn in high school.
Are you such an anti-American that you just refuse to acknowledge success?
Would that be the long-term policy they had this week or the one from last week. Or perhaps you are talking the long-term policy they were talking in June, you know the one they changed at the beginning of July.
Lordy.
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No, Q, I am speaking of the long term policy initiated in 1980 and carried forward by every administration since. You speak of rhetoric of US figureheads, I am speaking of actual, on the ground policies.
DeleteThere is a major difference 'tween the two.
The speeches are next to meaningless, so much hot air in the desert winds, the policies are long term and effective.
The Suez Canal remains open, as it has been since 1980, without interruption.
The border between Egypt and Israel is secure and peaceful, as it has been since 1980.
Those are the primary issues for the US in regards Egypt.
Not who says what, or even who in Egypt is listening.
You are focused upon the kabuki theater, as if it mattered.
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DeleteMore nonsense, rat.
The Suez Canal would remain open regardless of US policy. Egypt can't afford to shut it down. It would remain open no matter who is in charge.
Israel, oh you mean the annual bribes we send to assure there is no war between Egypt and Israel. Hell, you might as well go back to the 1800's and say we have had a consistent policy of paying baksheesh to North African pirates since them.
The only problem was when Morsi and the MB were in charge that little deal for protecting Israel was starting to come apart,
It is more rational to say anything good coming out of the ME is due to kismet that to suggest it accrues through US foreign policy.
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Quirk, you might as well give it up. There is no speaking rationally with rat. Many have tried, all have failed. It is like getting the back of your head bashed into a concrete sidewalk by a thug. Kismet has made him imperious to reason, and made him nasty too.
DeleteAll I can recommend is returning his favors once in a long while by call him a name or two back, and point and laugh, as WiO often does.
No one takes him at all seriously any longer.
He has become an embarrassment.
The Baroness Ashton would not perhaps be your mums would she, Ash?
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, in the States, Squire Bob was heard to mumble, damn straight, Egyptian military.
DeleteMore success against the Muslim Brotherhood!
ReplyDeleteReported by USA Today
Syrian government troops captured the historic Khalid Ibn al-Walid Mosque on Saturday and expelled rebel forces who had been in control of the 13th century landmark for more than a year.
Introduction
ReplyDeleteIt is a miracle that we know anything at all about the man called Jesus of Nazareth. The itinerant preacher wandering from village to village clamoring about the end of the world, a band of ragged followers trailing behind, was a common a sight in Jesus’ time—so common, in fact, that it had become a kind of caricature among the Roman elite. In a farcical passage about just such a figure, the Greek philosopher Celsus imagines a Jewish holy man roaming the Galilean countryside, shouting to no one in particular: “I am God, or the servant of God, or a divine spirit. But I am coming, for the world is already in the throes of destruction. And you will soon see me coming with the power of heaven.”
The first century was an era of apocalyptic expectation among the Jews of Palestine, the Roman designation for the vast tract of land encompassing modern day Israel/Palestine as well as large parts of Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Countless prophets, preachers, and messiahs tramped through the Holy Land delivering messages of God’s imminent judgment. Many of these so-called “false messiahs” we know by name. A few are even mentioned in the New Testament. The prophet Theudas, according to the book of Acts, had four hundred disciples before Rome captured him and cut off his head. A mysterious charismatic figure known only as “The Egyptian” raised an army of followers in the desert, nearly all of whom were massacred by Roman troops. In 4 B.C.E., the year in which most scholars believe Jesus of Nazareth was born, a poor shepherd named Athronges put a diadem on his head and crowned himself “King of the Jews”; he and his followers were brutally cut down by a legion of soldiers. Another messianic aspirant, called simply “The Samaritan,” was crucified by Pontius Pilate even though he raised no army and in no way challenged Rome—an indication that the authorities, sensing the apocalyptic fever in the air, had become extremely sensitive to any hint of . . . .
sedition. There was Hezekiah the bandit chief, Simon of Peraea, Judas the Galilean, his grandson Menahem, Simon son of Giora, and Simon son of Kochba—all of whom declared messianic ambitions and all of whom were executed by Rome for doing so. Add to this list the Essene sect, some of whose members lived in seclusion atop the dry plateau of Qumran on the northwestern shore of the Dead Sea; the first-century Jewish revolutionary party known as the Zealots, who helped launched a bloody war against Rome; and the fearsome bandit-assassins whom the Romans dubbed the Sicarii (the Daggermen), and the picture that emerges of first-century Palestine is of an era awash in messianic energy.
DeleteIt is difficult to place Jesus of Nazareth squarely within any of the known religiopolitical movements of his time. He was a man of profound contradictions, one day preaching a message of racial exclusion (“I was sent solely to the lost sheep of Israel”; Matthew 15:24), the next, of benevolent universalism (“Go and make disciples of all nations”; Matthew 28:19); sometimes calling for unconditional peace (“Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God”; Matthew 5:9), sometimes promoting violence and conflict (“If you do not have a sword, go sell your cloak and buy one”; Luke 22:36).
The problem with pinning down the historical Jesus is that, outside of the New Testament, there is almost no trace of the man who would so permanently alter the course of human history. The earliest and most reliable nonbiblical reference to Jesus comes from the first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (d. 100 C.E.). In a brief throwaway passage in the Antiquities, Josephus writes of a fiendish Jewish high priest named Ananus who, after the death of the Roman governor Festus, unlawfully condemned a certain “James, the brother of Jesus, the one they call messiah,” to stoning for transgression of the law. The passage moves on to relate what happened to Ananus after the new governor, Albinus, finally arrived in Jerusalem.
DeleteFleeting and dismissive as this allusion may be (the phrase “the one they call messiah” is clearly meant to express derision), it nevertheless contains enormous significance for those searching for any sign of the historical Jesus. In a society without surnames, a common name like James required a specific appellation—a place of birth or a father’s name—to distinguish it from all the other men named James roaming around Palestine (hence, Jesus of Nazareth). In this case, James’ appellative was provided by his fraternal connection to someone with whom Josephus assumes his audience would be familiar. The passage proves not only that “Jesus, the one they call messiah” probably existed, but that by the year 94 C.E., when the Antiquities was written, he was widely recognized as the founder of a new and enduring movement.
It is that movement, not its founder, that receives the attention of second-century historians like Tacitus (d. 118) and Pliny the Younger (d. 113), both of whom mention Jesus of Nazareth but reveal little about him, save for his arrest and execution—an important historical note, as we shall see, but one that sheds little light on the details of Jesus’ life. We are therefore left with whatever information can be gleaned from the New Testament.
DeleteThe first written testimony we have about Jesus of Nazareth comes from the epistles of Paul, an early follower of Jesus who died sometime around 66 C.E. (Paul’s first epistle, 1 Thessalonians, can be dated between 48 and 50 C.E., some two decades after Jesus’ death). The trouble with Paul, however, is that he displays an extraordinary lack of interest in the historical Jesus. Only three scenes from Jesus’ life are ever mentioned in his epistles: the Last Supper (1 Corinthians 11:23–26), the crucifixion (1 Corinthians 2:2), and, most crucially for Paul, the resurrection, without which, he claims, “our preaching is empty and your faith is in vain” (1 Corinthians 15:14). Paul may be an excellent source for those interested in the early formation of Christianity, but he is a poor guide for uncovering the historical Jesus.
That leaves us with the gospels, which present their own set of problems. First of all, one must recognize that, with the possible exception of the gospel of Luke, none of the gospels we have were written by the person after whom they are named. That is true of most of the books in the New Testament. Such so-called pseudepigraphical works, or works attributed to but not written by a specific author, were extremely common in the ancient world and should by no means be thought of as forgeries. Naming a book after a person was a standard way of reflecting that person’s beliefs or representing his or her school of thought. Regardless, the gospels are not, nor were they ever meant to be, a historical documentation of Jesus’ life. These are not eyewitness accounts of Jesus’ words and deeds. They are testimonies of faith composed by communities of faith written many years after the events they describe. Simply put, the gospels tell us about Jesus the Christ, not Jesus the man.
DeleteThe most widely accepted theory on the formation of the gospels, “the Two-Source Theory,” holds that Mark’s account was written first sometime after 70 C.E., some four decades after Jesus’ death. Mark had at his disposal a collection of oral and perhaps a handful of written traditions that had been passed around by Jesus’ earliest followers for years. By adding a chronological narrative to this jumble of traditions, Mark created a wholly new literary genre called gospel, Greek for “good news.” Yet Mark’s gospel is a short and somewhat unsatisfying one for many Christians. There is no infancy narrative; Jesus simply arrives one day on the banks of the Jordan River to be baptized by John the Baptist. There are no resurrection appearances. Jesus is crucified. His body is placed in a tomb. A few days later, the tomb is empty. Even the earliest Christians were left wanting by Mark’s brusque account of Jesus’ life and ministry, and so it was left to Mark’s successors, Matthew and Luke, to improve upon the original text.
Two decades after Mark, between 90 and 100 C.E., the authors of Matthew and Luke, working independently of each other and with Mark’s manuscript as a template, updated the gospel story by adding their own unique traditions, including two different and conflicting infancy narratives as well as a series of elaborate resurrection stories to satisfy their Christian readers. Matthew and Luke also relied on what must have been an early and fairly well distributed collection of Jesus’ sayings that scholars have termed Q (German for Quelle, or “source”). Although we no longer have any physical copies of this document, we can infer its contents by compiling those verses that Matthew and Luke share in common but that do not appear in Mark.
DeleteTogether, these three gospels—Mark, Matthew, and Luke—became known as the Synoptics (Greek for “viewed together”) because they more or less present a common narrative and chronology about the life and ministry of Jesus, one that is greatly at odds with the fourth gospel, John, which was likely written soon after the close of the first century, between 100 and 120 C.E.
These, then, are the canonized gospels. But they are not the only gospels. We now have access to an entire library of . . . . . .
The Life and Times of Jesus Christ
an interesting read
Glad! to see The Gentleman from Mississippi is reading something other that the Ethanol News on occasion. There is nothing new in Aslan's writings there, literally dozens of books have said the same. He doesn't seem to mention the Q source. That's not our Q's source but a source - Q = quelle = source, that is said to lurk behind the synoptics.
Deletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_document
Here is wike on Reza Aslan --
Reza Aslan (Persian: رضا اصلان; born May 3, 1972) is an Iranian-American writer and scholar of religions and is a contributing editor for The Daily Beast. His books include the international bestseller, No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam, which has been translated into thirteen languages, and named one of the 100 most important books of the last decade. It was also shortlisted for the Guardian First book award.[6] He is also the author of How to Win a Cosmic War, published in paperback as Beyond Fundamentalism: Confronting Religious Extremism in a Globalized Age, and Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth. He is also editor of Tablet & Pen: Literary Landscapes from the Modern Middle East, published by W. W. Norton, and co-editor with Aaron Hahn-Tapper of Muslims and Jews in America: Commonalities, Contentions, and Complexities, published by Palgrave Macmillan.
He lives in Hollywood, California where he is Associate Professor of Creative Writing at the University of California, Riverside. In addition, he is a Research Associate at the University of Southern California's Center on Public Diplomacy.
Background
Aslan's family came to the United States from Tehran in 1979, fleeing the Iranian Revolution. He grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. ((((((((********At the age of 15 he converted to evangelical Christianity.[7]********))))))) In the early 1990s, Aslan taught courses at De La Salle High School in Concord, California.
Aslan holds a Bachelor of Arts' degree in religions from Santa Clara University, a Master of Theological Studies' degree from Harvard Divinity School, a doctorate in the sociology of religions from the University of California, Santa Barbara,[8] and a Master of Fine Arts' degree from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop, where he was named the Truman Capote Fellow in Fiction. It was during the summer before he went to Harvard that he converted back to Islam.[9]
In August 2000, while serving as the Truman Capote Fellow at the Iowa Writers’ Workshop, Aslan was named Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Iowa, becoming the first full-time professor of Islam in the history of the state.[10]
Career
Professional memberships
DeleteHe is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Los Angeles Institute for the Humanities, and the Pacific Council on International Policy. He has served as Legislative Assistant for the Friends Committee on National Legislation in Washington D.C., and was elected President of the World Conference of Religions for Peace, Harvard Chapter. He serves on the board of directors of the Ploughshares Fund, PEN Center USA, and serves on the national advisory board of the Levantine Cultural Center.
Writing
As Contributing Editor, Aslan has written articles for The Daily Beast. He has also written for various newspapers and periodicals, including The Christian Science Monitor, the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, Slate, The Boston Globe, The Washington Post, The Guardian, the Chicago Tribune, and The Nation. He has made numerous appearances on TV and radio, including National Public Radio (NPR), PBS, The Rachel Maddow Show, Meet the Press, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, The Colbert Report, Anderson Cooper 360°, Hardball, Nightline, Real Time with Bill Maher, Fareed Zakaria GPS, and ABC Australia's Big Ideas.[11]
After the September 11 attacks, Aslan travelled throughout the state of Iowa speaking to public and private organizations, businesses, churches, mosques, and universities. His efforts in Iowa received national attention in such periodicals as USA Today, U.S. News & World Report, and The Chronicle of Higher Education.
Analysis of War on Terrorism
Aslan refers to Al Qaeda's jihad against the west as "a cosmic war", distinct from holy war, in which rival religious groups are engaged in an earthly battle for material goals. ((((((((("A cosmic war is like a ritual drama in which participants act out on earth a battle they believe is actually taking place in the heavens."))))))))) American rhetoric of "war on terrorism", Aslan says, is in precise "cosmic dualism" to Al Qaeda's jihad. Aslan draws a distinction between Islamism and Jihadism. Islamists have legitimate goals and can be negotiated with, unlike Jihadists, who dream of an idealized past of a pan-Islamic, borderless "religious communalism". Aslan's prescription for winning the cosmic war is to not fight, but rather engage moderate Islamic political forces in the democratic process. "Throughout the Middle East, whenever moderate Islamist parties have been allowed to participate in the political process, popular support for more extremist groups has diminished."[12]<<<
Sounds like a good guy, I'll get his book.
It all comes from the same place, the universal recognition of the true horror and cruelty of life and the wish and hope that there is a better place, a better time and some higher form of justice; wishful thinking at best. All human beings visualize and see the many ways that life could be improved. It is a coping mechanism to escape the overwhelming doubt about “why this," “why me," “why anything”. Choice gets boiled down to acceptance or hope. It is sad and comical but the price we all have to pay for the incredible coincidence and privilege that we were ever alive at all and intelligent enough to recognize it. As the late and truly great Christopher Hitchens observed, it is not bad enough that a time comes when we are told the party is over. It is the recognition that the party goes on but you have to leave.
ReplyDeleteFear not, it is no more eventful than a power outage. Unfortunately there is no reset button.
Fucked by the fickle finger of fate
DeleteDavid "Kidd" Kraddick, the high-octane radio and TV host of the "Kidd Kraddick in the Morning" show heard on dozens of U.S. radio stations, has died at a charity golf event near New Orleans, a publicist said. Kraddick was 53.
The Texas-based radio and television personality, whose program is syndicated by YEA Networks, died at his Kidd’s Kids charity function in the New Orleans suburb of Gretna on Saturday, said publicist Ladd Biro in releasing a network statement.
"He died doing what he loved," said Biro, of the public relations firm Champion Management, speaking with AP by phone early Sunday. He said he had no further details on the death.
The "Kidd Kraddick in the Morning" show is heard on more than 75 Top 40 and Hot AC radio stations and is a leader among most-listened-to contemporary morning programs, Biro said. The radio program also is transmitted globally on American Forces Radio Network while the show’s cast is also seen weeknights on the nationally syndicated TV show "Dish Nation," he added.
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(CNN) -- A bus trip back to an Indianapolis church ended in tragedy Saturday afternoon with bloodied bodies, luggage strewn everywhere and three dead, in addition to at least 19 injured, after the vehicle flipped over.
The smashed bus teetered on a concrete barrier -- with a young woman’s leg pinned between them, according to witnesses -- as passengers spilled outside in various states of disarray and despair.
"I saw bodies everywhere, kids in shock and disbelief," said John Murphy, who'd stopped along the northern Indianapolis road. "... There was a lot of blood. There was an awful lot of blood.”
Indianapolis police spokesman Michael Hewitt said, in addition to the three dead, two seriously injured were helicoptered from the crash scene, eight others were driven to local hospitals and nine others were treated and released on-site.
The bus -- which was carrying about 40 passengers -- is believed to be the only vehicle involved in the crash, according to Hewitt.
Having left from a camp in Michigan, the bus was about a mile from returning to a Baptist church in Indianapolis when it crashed, Mayor Greg Ballard said. Most of those on board were teenagers, according to fire department spokeswoman Rita Burris.
The driver told witnesses afterward that the vehicle's brakes failed as he was trying to make a left turn, she said.
"Please pray for all involved," the Indianapolis Fire Department tweeted.
What total high school rubbish.
DeleteI am sure that your professorial opus will carry the skeptical. Get it on, Squire.
DeleteYou want Paradise just given to you? Really? Without earning it, it would not really be yours. Who in hell do you think you are to not have to earn it? Does ripe fruit never fall, in your Paradise? You are saying lose has nothing to teach? You want to be heli-lifted to the top of the mountain and and not do the climbing? You can have your perfection, the imperfect is the true Paradise. And we are all crucified. Even the Old Man carried his mast on his back, up the beach, after giving up all to the sharks. But he didn't whine. What total high school rubbish. Live is the rise of consciousness, and it don't come easy, and was never meant to.
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How myth is created, packaged and sold. A book of fiction created it for Obama. Hillary gets a mini-series
ReplyDeleteLos Angeles – NBC has ordered a four-hour miniseries based on the life of Hillary Rodham Clinton that will star Diane Lane, NBC entertainment chairman Bob Greenblatt announced at the TCA press tour Saturday.
The project will be written and directed by Courtney Hunt and recount Clinton's life from her time living in the White House as First Lady (the role of Bill Clinton has not yet been cast) to her tenure as Secreatry of State. Greenblatt said he didn’t think the project would be affected whether or not Clinton decides to run for President in 2016.
“We have to think about the timing of it,” he said. “She’s probably not going to declare her candidacy for two more years. This could well have aired before that.”
Just in case any of you dumb muthrfukrs, including this one, think that there is even a hope of returning to sanity, Fugetaboudit
ReplyDeleteThe U.S. Army is taking the expression “get the lead out” quite literally and switching to lead-free, environmentally-friendly bullets.
The Army’s Picatinny Arsenal is working on a “green” version of the M80A1 7.62 mm bullet, which troops are supposed to start being issued in 2014, according to an Army press release.
The Army has been looking to “green” small caliber ammo for some time now. In 2010, the Army switched to the greener 5.56 mm M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round.
“The EPR replaces the lead slug with a copper slug,” said Lt. Col. Phil Clark, product manager for small caliber ammunition in the Program Executive Officer Ammunition. “This makes the projectile environmentally-friendly, while still giving soldiers the performance capabilities they need on the battlefield. So far we have eliminated 1,994 metric tons of lead from 5.56 ammunition production.”
“Thirty-two grains of lead are eliminated per M855A1 projectile, and 114.5 grains of lead will be eliminated per M80A1 projectile,” according to the Army.
The Army projects that the use of green 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm ammunition could eliminate the purchase of 3,683 metric tons of lead between 2013 and 2018.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/24/getting-the-lead-out-literally-u-s-army-plans-switch-to-green-bullets/#ixzz2aKgDU79v
OOrah²
ReplyDeleteWe really need to get rid of The Pentagon. They have way too much money and time on their hands. I am sure we could fight our wars on the Command Level and eliminate the middleman.
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ReplyDeleteGlenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist largely responsible for the big reports on secret government surveillance in the last two months, will be testifying before Congress on these programs. There have been plenty of hearings already in which high-ranking intelligence officials have , backed by the same left-right coalition that nearly passed an amendment that would have reigned in the NSA’s surveillance scope on Wednesday.
The Guardian reports the hearing was organized by Democrat Alan Grayson, and is backed by Republican Justin Amash, who introduced the aforementioned bill on the House floor. Grayson briefly explained why his frustration led to organizing this particular hearing.
“I have been concerned about the fact that we have heard incessantly in recent weeks from General Keith Alexander [director of the NSA] and Mr James Clapper [director of National Intelligence] about their side of the story,” he said. “We have barely heard anything in Congress from critics of the program.”
Greenwald will testify via video-link, and will be joined in the civil libertarian testimony by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Cato Institute.
One of the hearings Congress organized in June on the NSA programs was titled “How Disclosed NSA Programs Protect Americans, and Why Disclosure Aids Our Adversaries.” It’s easy to see why that might have bothered civil libertarians looking for fairer hearings.”
The US Conga Line would not have the balls to do this, say on immigration reform.
ReplyDeleteThe Israeli cabinet has backed a bill that requires any peace deal with the Palestinians to be put to a referendum.
"Any agreement which may be reached in negotiations will be put to a referendum," said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office as quoted by AFP. "It is important that on such historic decisions every citizen should vote directly on an issue deciding the country's future."
The government regards approval of the new bill dubbed ‘Basic Law: Referendum’ as "urgent and important," and it will be asking the parliament to speed up putting it into law, a cabinet briefing paper also said.
‘Basic Law: Referendum’ is expected to be brought to the Knesset for a first reading on Wednesday, according to the Jerusalem Post. Netanyahu hopes to bring it through the second and third readings on the same day, so that to have it as a law already next week, a senior government source told the daily.
The referendum bill is seen as a goodwill gesture to right-wing members of the government who might oppose concessions Israel could have to make within the peace process negotiations - including giving up land.
Israel has a proven track record of "giving up land"
DeleteIt's has given up the Sinai twice. It has given up all territory of Lebanon, all land of Gaza and most of the west bank.
The amount of land in dispute is tiny.
The issue for peace is not where the border lies. The issue is that Israel IS.
Israel offered to share jerusalem several times, those offers have been refused.
Now demands that Israel give up the historic Jewish site of the Western Wall (and the surrounding historic Jewish quarter) to the Arabs for peace.
this is not acceptable.
I wonder how the esteemed US Congress’s stature stands this morning in the referendum of US Public Opinion. Let’s take a look:
ReplyDeleteOh Dear, It is almost lynching time.
A new NBC News / Wall Street Journal poll finds that only 12 percent of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing and 83 percent disapprove – an all-time low for the survey.
Fifty percent of the 1,000 people polled disapprove of the job President Barack Obama is doing while 45 percent approve. That’s just one point away from the all-time low for Obama in this survey.
The survey also found that 57 percent of those polled say it’s time to vote out their current member of the U.S. House of Representatives in next year’s mid-term election.
If there was a place on their ballot to replace every single member of Congress, 57 percent said they would vote yes. But, the country is split 44 percent-to-44 percent on whether Congress should be run by Democrats or Republicans.
The margin of error is ±3.1 percent.
Would you be upset if the US Congress decided to take your tax dollars and pay the police departments of Detroit, Patterson and Camden, New Jersey and Macungie, Pennsylvania, just for fun?
ReplyDeleteThe United States has been paying thousands of Syrian police officers who deserted the regime of President Bashar Assad.
Officials said the administration of President Barack Obama has approved tens of millions of dollars to pay the salaries of police officers who joined the rebels. They said the officers were working to maintain order in rebel-controlled territory, mostly in northern Syria.
“There are literally thousands of defected police inside of Syria,” Assistant Secretary of State Rick Barton said. “They are credible in their communities because they’ve defected.”
In an address to the Aspen Security Forum on July 19, Barton, responsible for State Department stabilization operations, did not say how many Syrian police deserters were on the U.S. payroll. He said the officers were receiving about $150 per month, a significant salary in Syria.
The address marked a rare disclosure of direct U.S. aid to Sunni rebels in Syria. Congress has approved more than $50 million for the Syrian opposition, much of which has not been spent.
Barton said the police officers remained in their communities despite their defection from the Assad regime. He said the U.S. stipend was meant to ensure that they stay on the job.
“We’d rather have a trained policeman who is trusted by the community than have to bring in a new crowd or bring in an international group that doesn’t know the place,” Barton said.
Barton said the rebel movement was awaiting a range of non-lethal U.S. equipment. He cited night vision systems and medical supplies.
Say what?
ReplyDelete”Barton said the rebel movement was awaiting a range of non-lethal U.S. equipment. He cited night vision systems and medical supplies.
Night vision systems are not lethal? Maybe not if your watching your neighbors rodeodoing, but an aid to increasing your target accuracy sounds pretty fuckin lethal to me.
With 'heavy heart' Israel set to free more terrorists
ReplyDeleteSunday, July 28, 2013 | Connie Fieraru
"From time to time, prime ministers are called on to make decisions that go against public opinion – when the matter is important for the country." These were the words of the opening paragraph of Benjamin Netanyahu’s open letter to the Israeli public concerning the release of Palestinian terrorist prisoners as a precondition for resuming peace negotiations.
Netanyhau has agreed to release 104 Palestinian and Arab-Israeli prisoners arrested before the Oslo Accords were signed in 1993. Why? Because the Palestinian Authority told US Secretary of State John Kerry that that it would not attend resumed peace talks in Washington this week unless this pre-condition was met.
A "reluctant" decision on Netanyahu’s part, he states in his letter that it was one of pain not only for the nation but also for him (having lost his brother to terrorism 37 years ago), and that the decision made "collides with the incomparably important value of justice."
As expected, the decision was met with frustration by much of the Israeli public, especially those who have lost family members to terrorist activity and those who continue to fight against it today. Dozens of families protested against the prisoner release by protesting outside the Prime Minister's Residence as Netanyahu and his cabinet were voting on the measure.
“We have enough pain and loss. We will not agree that more and more families will be forced to join the ranks of the bereaved families and victims of terrorism,” they said.
Many more were embittered by what was termed an act of cowardice after Netanyahu issued "repeated assurances" that Israel would not free terrorists as a precondition to talks.
Within his own government, Netanyahu faced stiff opposition. "You kill terrorists, you don't free them," insisted Trade Minister Naftali Bennett.
Deputy Foreign Minister Ze'ev Elkin, echoing the views of many of his colleagues, added: "Experience has taught us that every prisoner release encourages terror, and has never brought peace. It informs the next generation of terrorists that someone will work to release them. All the democracies in the world have learned this lesson. They don’t release terrorists even in exchange for captured citizens. They won’t even negotiate."
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Returning to this paradox of "justice," it appears that when it comes to the Arab-Israeli conflict the definition of the term has yet to be understood.
DeleteAs Rabbi Eliezer Weiss questioned, “Why does the Weisenthal Center track down Nazis who murdered Jews, while here we have Muslim Nazis who murdered Jews, who spilled blood as if it were water, who burned a mother and three children and an unborn baby alive – and they are released? Is there a difference between them and the Nazis criminals?”
Rabbi Eliezer’s wife and three children were burned to death in a fire bomb attack 22 years ago. Their murderer is set to be released.
Many Israeli lawmakers were left questioning the morality and motive behind such a move, with some questioning, given a similar situation, would America loose the jailed murderers of its citizens?
As MK Motti Yogev (Bayit Yehudi) made clear, "Negotiations based on releasing killers have nothing to do with peace, or security, or morality, or truth."
In the words of those that have been exposed to the outcome of terrorist activity, "The murderers of our loved ones have faces and names, they are not numbers. They cannot hide behind long lists and government meetings." Unfortunately it seems that this lack of sensitivity has become reality, and justice somehow dissipates into the milieu of political diplomacy and efforts of "peace."
The release of prisoners is set to take place in four phases over the next 9 months. These are the profiles of some of the prisoners that will be among those freed:
Issa Abed Rabbo, jailed October 1984: Attacked a young couple near the Cremisan Monastery south of Jerusalem. Later revealed to the police that he had tied the couples' hands, blindfolded them with rags, and executed them at point blank range.
Muhammad Tus, jailed October 1985: Member of a south Hebron terror cell that carried out five bus attacks, killing Zalman Avolnik, Michal Cohen, Meir Ben Yair, Edna Harari and Motti Swisa.
Fayez Hour, jailed November 1985: Killed two Israelis in the Gaza Strip and planned to assassinate former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir whilst in jail.
Mohammed Daoud, jailed December 1987: Hurled a Molotov cocktail (firebomb) at a Jewish vehicle, killing a mother and her young son.
Jomaa Adam and Mahmoud Harbish, jailed October 1988: Attacked an Israeli passenger bus north of Jericho with Molotov cocktails, killing Rachel Weiss and her three young children, as well as soldier David Delarossa, who attempted to rescue the other victims.
Nihad Jundiyeh, jailed July 1989: Murdered Israeli contractor Zalman Shlein.
Many other prisoners on the release list carried out attacks against IDF soldiers
If Palestinians really want peace, why demand terrorist release?
DeleteSunday, July 28, 2013 | Ryan Jones
It would seem counterproductive to achieving a genuine peace to set free those who had so brutally done all they could to ensure peace found no footing.
And yet, the Palestinian Authority last week was adamant it would not rejoin US-backed peace talks with Israel until the latter agreed to loose 104 terrorists jailed for either murdering or attempting to murder Israeli Jews.
Under normal circumstances, such a demand would leave those on the losing end of that equation scratching their heads.
"It's hard for many Israelis to grasp why their partners for peace demand that the murderers of children be freed," wrote Avi Mayer, the Jewish Agency's director of new media, on his Twitter account.
But after nearly two decades of a failed peace process, most Israelis know better. They know the Palestinian leadership isn't looking for a genuine peace. They know that Mahmoud Abbas and his PLO remain dedicated to the movement's founding principles of never accepting Israel and working continuously, through any means, to bring about the eventual demise of the "Zionist entity."
So, why does Israel continue to play this game? Why is it that every few years Israel repeats what it knows is the wasted gesture of setting free blood-soaked killers?
Israeli Interior Minister Gideon Saar had the answer at Sunday's cabinet meeting, where he passionately argued in favor of the prisoner release despite admitting nothing good could come of it.
"I don't believe we can get a peace agreement with the Palestinians, but I want to preserve Israel's international standing," Saar was quoted as saying by Ha'aretz reporter Barak Ravid. The minister continued: "If we don't vote for the prisoner release our last few friends around the world might not support us anymore in the UN."
Sadly, this is the kind of groveling to which Israel's leaders have been reduced.
As with every previous release of jailed terrorists, this will send a clear message that even the most savage acts of violence against even the most innocent of Israelis will not earn one lasting punishment, but rather a hero's status. And terrorists will be emboldened to continue on their destructive path. And peace will remain elusive.
Both of the above from the dreaded Israel Today publication.
DeleteOne man’s warrior is another man’s terrorist. That’s why.
DeleteIf your logic is correct? If the palestinians achieve statehood? look for their restaurants, day cares and school buses to be bombed and for the people that commit those "warrior" acts to be highlighted as heroes.
DeleteI'd say Israel needs to "do" about 112,000 acts of terror to gain parody with the palestinians.
Let the games begin.
As for the release from Israeli jails the terrorists the palestinians demand?
I say release them all, every arab in Israel custody should be released to the palestinians.
Every last one.
Of course the palestinians will get what they wish for...
I will save you for this one day the usual roundup of news from Jihad Watch, only mentioning that in today's summary there were reports of islamic insanity and murder in seven countries around our mostly blue globe.
ReplyDeleteIt's a blessing some much of our earth is water.
Things would worse with islamic homocide if the land mass were bigger.
Will mention this, though, as it concerns India--
ReplyDeleteJuly 28, 2013
Jihadists Bombing the Buddhists
By Bill Warner
The jihadists -- on this occasion the Indian Mujahadeen -- are at it again. On a Sunday in July nine bombs went off in Buddhism's most sacred place, Bodh Gaya in India. The jihadists said the bombing was in retaliation for the Buddhists resisting jihad in Myanmar. This would be the equivalent of bombing the Wailing Wall, St. Paul's Cathedral, Bethlehem or the Kabbah. But, since Buddhists are the least political of all religions, the media barely noticed.
This jihad attack may have long term consequences for jihad, due to favorable attitudes toward and perceptions of Buddhists, and who Buddhists are. Buddhism is the pet religion of the media, Leftists, Progressives and Liberals, and even those who are right of center find it hard to dislike Buddhism. Buddhism is truly the religion of peace, not like that other "religion of peace" with the jihad doctrine and 1400 years of conquest.
But the Left and Liberals are also the apologists for Islam, and one of the ways apologists deny the brutality of Islam is to attack its victims as somehow deserving of the jihadist attacks. When Christians are killed every week by jihadists, the leftist types justify it because of the Crusades and other wars by nations that are primarily Christian. When 30 Christian children are murdered in Nigeria, it is considered payback for the Crusades. (The Crusades lasted for 300 years and the last one was 800 years ago.) And any Jews killed are payback for the purported Israeli persecution of the so-called Palestinians. Put another way, the apologists for Islam figure that most of those who are killed in jihad deserve it.
So, the apologists for Islam are in a quandary. Jihad is hurting Buddhists, but it would be bigoted to complain about it. The denial machine is set to spin -- those jihadists were not real Muslims or else they were just a few crazies.
A second problem for the apologists is their theory that if Muslims are treated right, they won't be violent. This is the "treat the Palestinians right and they will do right" theory of dealing with Islam. This gets expanded to the theory that all Islamic violence is due to how the Palestinians are treated. Well, bombing Buddhists in India has no connection to Palestine.
Many Buddhists are absolute pacifists who hold to the "if you do good, good will come to you" school of politics. The problem is that such Buddhists usually cannot figure out why Muslims believe that being a Buddhist is evil. They may be ignorant of Islamic doctrine that says that the only good that can come out of a Buddhist is submission to Islam.
Buddhist doctrine holds that we need both compassion and wisdom. But the wisdom aspect does not seem to be highlighted when the Dalai Lama says that the attacks are "very sad" while noting that it could be an act of a "few individuals" and "shouldn't be considered something serious."
If the Dalai Lama would pick up the clue phone, he would hear this: "Hello, the Buddhism that you practice, Vajrayana Buddhism, came from the Swat Valley in Afghanistan and where is Buddhism now? It has been annihilated from Afghanistan by jihadists. That same doctrine of jihad is annihilating Buddhists in Thailand today. Is that sad enough for you?" Jihad seeks to annihilate all religions in the territory that Muslims enter. And that should be considered as something serious.
But bombing Bodh Gaya has a down side for the jihadists. A few of the usual apologists may decide that if jihad means bombing Buddhists, then maybe, just maybe, there is something fundamentally wrong with Islam. Islam's apologists have a lot more trouble in justifying the justice of jihad against Buddhists since the jihad is against their own political alliance.
So bombing Buddhists may be a tactical victory, but it could a long-term strategic error but, only if the Buddhists and the apologists pay attention to murder of their own.
I will mention this to my niece when we next speak, as she was telling me the moslems in the mid-east were the worst, many of those in India not so bad. As many moslem sects there as we have so many various Christian churches here She should know, I imagine she is right, but I'm curious as to what her response may be.
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Yesterday our AIPAC mouthpiece told us that US funding of the Israeli government was inconsequential because …
ReplyDelete… it only amounted to 1.5% or so of Israeli GDP.
Spoken like a true socialist, quot would have us believe that the government of Israel had the entire economy of Israel at its disposal, to spend as the government saw fit.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
The socialist and secular government of Israel had an annual budget of $75.65 billion USD in 2011.
Direct US aid to the secular government of Israel, a tad over $3.15 billion a year on a continuing basis, amounts to approximately 4% of the Israeli government expenditures of $76 billion in 2011. That is the percentage of aid the US supplies the secular and socialist Israeli government and it represents the real importance of US aid to that secular, socialist government in the Israeli portion of Palestine.
The US is directly funding 4% of Israeli government spending.
While the Israeli government is running deficits of $7.5 billion annually. With average GDP per capita of $32,000 per year, 22% of its population is living under the poverty line.
The governor of the Bank of Israel, Stanley Fischer, stated that the growing poverty amongst the Ultra-Orthodox is hurting the Israeli economy. According to the data published by Ian Fursman, 60% of the poor households in Israel are of the Haredi Jews and the Israeli Arabs. Both groups together represent 25–28% of the Israeli population.
To replace that direct funding the secular government of Israel would have to increase revenues from their own residents or from private foreign contributions. Eliminating US aid would amount to a major economic disruption, in the secular and socialist state of Israel, driving an even greater percentage of their people below the poverty line.
Beyond that, the loan guarantees, provided by the US on the $10 billion USD credit line provides the Israeli with below market interest rates upon that $10 billion USD in debt. Israeli interest payments would rise from the 3% they are paying now, the US Treasury rate, to over 7%, which is the market rate for small countries with growth rates of under 5 %.
4% of $10 billion is an additional $400 million a year in indirect subsidies the US supplies to and that the secular socialist government of Israel would have to cover, on their own.
The US, through direct aid and loan guarantees is funding well over half of the Israeli government's budget deficits. The Israeli government debt was estimated to be 74% of their GDP, in 2011.
On top of that, there is the deployment of Patriot missile batteries and the funding of the Iron Dome air defense system which amounts to hundred of millions of dollars that the US gifts to Israel's secular and socialist government each year.
Costs that if the Israeli government had to cover them on their own, well, there goes the balance of their economic growth.
Indeed, it seems pretty obvious that a substantial portion of the growth of Israel's GDP, estimated to be 4.8% in 2011 is driven by US subsidies, direct and indirect. If those subsidies had to be replaced by tax increases or lower government spending on the part of the Israeli government, well …
… there goes their socialist paradise on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea.
The economic growth, touted by our AIPAC shill, of the Israeli economy is fueled by the subsidies the US provides to the Israeli government and that's a fact.
You'd think the supporters of the secular and socialist Israeli government would be more appreciative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel
Your grasp of economics is amazing....
DeleteI ponder was it from the "Acme School of Money"?
Your ability to selectively edit and misrepresent words written is truly breathtaking!
You lack of understanding of israel and it's situation is like trying to teach chess to a checker player...
and Rat? you are a checker player
You see detail and can ignore realities far grander.
The good news? Your limits are without fail, beyond imagination, your lack of understanding of Israel, it's people, it's economy, it's innovation AMAZING.
To see one like you, on a perpetual Israel hissy fit, name calling, 2nd grade finger wagging tirade, bash Israel without any real knowledge gives me pause to the real quality of your "enemy" of Israel status.
You're nothing.
You're a nobody.
Your opinions? worthless.
I will not correct your misunderstandings of Israel, it's history, it's people since it's really quite funny to watch, for the past few years, MAJOR inaccuracies that EVERY Jew SEES in an instant of your stupidity.
Keep it up Rat, REALLY, you actually do MY cause well...
I stand with Israel.
You stand with?
You used fifteen lines of response and didn’t challenge any of the data with one economic fact. Is there any fundamental errors in his figure? If so, what are the real numbers?
DeleteAs I look at them, one could compare the amount of US direct and indirect aid to the discretionary spending in the Israeli budget. If the stated Israeli budget of $75 Billion has discretionary spending of 20% or $15 billion, and if Israel is borrowing $7 billion, it actually has discretionary funds for $8 billion in spending. A $2 billion dollar gift from the American taxpayer means tat the US is paying for 25% of Israeli discretionary spending of its revenue from taxes.
Why?
WTF is all that about? We could have an annual lottery for the ten worst American cities and give the winner $2 billion. They would have a 10% chance of winning a jackpot whereas Israel gets a 100% guarantee win every year and the ten worst American cities get 0% of that pool.
DeleteYou won’t read that in the NY Times.
DeleteAnd why is that?
DeleteDeuceSun Jul 28, 01:02:00 PM EDT
DeleteYou used fifteen lines of response and didn’t challenge any of the data with one economic fact. Is there any fundamental errors in his figure? If so, what are the real numbers?
If you notice to WHOM i responded to, did not directly respond to ANY of my economic facts. But rather shifted the argument.
DeuceSun Jul 28, 01:06:00 PM EDT
DeleteWTF is all that about? We could have an annual lottery for the ten worst American cities and give the winner $2 billion. They would have a 10% chance of winning a jackpot whereas Israel gets a 100% guarantee win every year and the ten worst American cities get 0% of that pool.
Actually most of that 3 billion is spent in America, creating and supporting US jobs.
facts are stubborn things...
aid to Israel is spent on American products by and large.
Pumping up that American economy ya know...
That is not true, quot.
DeleteIsrael is just about the only nation that does not have to "Buy US"
In fact almost a third of the direct aid can be spent in Israel, not in the US.
As you say ...
... fact are stubborn things.
You should acquaint yourself with them.
From the Congressional Research Office
Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $118 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. ...
During his March 2013 visit to Israel, President Obama pledged that the United States would continue to provide Israel with multi-year commitments of military aid subject to the approval of Congress. P.L. 113-6, the Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act, 2013 (informally referred to as the full-year Continuing Resolution or CR) provides the full FY2013 Administration request for Israel of $3.1 billion in FMF, of which Israel is permitted $815.3 million in Off-Shore Procurement. The Act also provides for $479.736 million in joint U.S.-Israeli missile programs including $211 million for Iron Dome, $149.679 million for David’s Sling, $74.692 million for Arrow III, and $44.365 million for Arrow II.
In case you missed the salient point, the stubborn fact, as it were.
Israel is permitted $815.3 million in Off-Shore Procurement.
Actually most of that 3 billion is spent in America, creating and supporting US jobs.
Deletefacts are stubborn things...
aid to Israel is spent on American products by and large.
Pumping up that American economy ya know…
To follow your logic, the more we give away, the richer we get. We could hire half the idle construction industry to dig canals and the other half to fill them in. You conveniently neglect that money is a medium of exchange. Wealth is what you can buy with the money.
We could take all the automobile production from Ford, give the cars to Israel and we would be fabulously wealthy.
Your propaganda lines are becoming shop worn, quot.
DeleteAs you say ...
Facts are stubborn things.
All the hyperbole about the Israeli releasing prisoners, 105 of them.
I everyone of the 105 were a murderer, if every one of them had murdered a Jew ...
It sill would not equal two days worth of the death toll of murdered Jewish babies. Murders sanctioned and financed by the secular state of Israel in their abortion mills.
Indeed, as the Chief Rabbinate of Israel tells us, the murder of Jews continues unabated, financed and sanctioned by the state of Israel, over 50 Jews per day are slaughtered by the state of Israel.
Little wonder then that the release of 105 terrorists is sanctioned and approved by the state of Israel, the combined total of dead Israeli, murdered by the released terrorists pales in comparison to the mass murder of Jews commissioned by the state of Israel.
The secular and socialist state of Israel will stoop as low as they have to go, groveling in the slime of their own hypocrisy, to maintain their US subsidies.
For the secular state of Israel one thing perfectly clear ...
DeleteIt is all about the money.
Deuce seems to have picked up on that leftie lie, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. What a crock. The moslems wish to enslave and degrade women, take freedom of thought and of conscience away from all, impose idiotic laws everywhere, and obtain all 'wisdom' from their stupid book, and have the o so intelligent mullahs make society's rules.
DeleteDeuce is hovering over the pit of incoherence.
and rat is worthy of nothing but a finger point, and a laugh.
A sad muttering laugh, at that.
DeleteOnce again boobie is telling us nothing.
DeleteHis fantasy female characters, his incoherent poetry and the selective sight he claims to have, seeing things that no one else does when combined with his intimate knowledge of mind altering drugs, all symptoms that coalesce around a central coherent point, he wants us to know that he is slipping into dementia, but is afraid to admit it, to himself or the rest of us.
It seems that he has followed our past advise, has gone and received professional help, but was to late. He is beyond the recovery curve.
That is not true, quot.
DeleteIsrael is just about the only nation that does not have to "Buy US"
In fact almost a third of the direct aid can be spent in Israel, not in the US.
Actually Rat if you quote what I say:
"Actually most of that 3 billion is spent in America, creating and supporting US jobs.
facts are stubborn things..."
Yep facts are a stubborn things..
you say: In fact almost a third of the direct aid can be spent in Israel, not in the US."
yep... My POINT is 100% spot on and you are full of shit, again Herr Rat. At last check:
Your comment proves me RIGHT again.
Rat: Israel is permitted $815.3 million in Off-Shore Procurement.
3.1 billion in aid?
815.3 million? Not even CLOSE to being a MOST...
Rat, why do you distort, mislead and lie?
Really...
My comment stands and you still are a liar.
Rat: I everyone of the 105 were a murderer, if every one of them had murdered a Jew ...
DeleteIt sill would not equal two days worth of the death toll of murdered Jewish babies. Murders sanctioned and financed by the secular state of Israel in their abortion mills.
Actually Rat we went over this already. The state doesnt pay but a tiny % of abortions in Israel. Get with the program Rodent.
Your facts are outdated AGAIN.
But your equating the equality of the abortion with the murder of a born human being?
Well then, look to America 1st...
55 million murdered souls, unless you are telling us that Jewish souls are more valuable?
But boobie, in Palestine there is a long history of one fella's terrorist being the other fella's hero.
DeleteBy your standard, calling Menachem Begin a warrior is a leftist lie, aye ...
Menachem Begin, once a terrorist, always a terrorist.
22 Jul 2006
In the midst of its campaign against Hizbollah and Hamas "terrorists", Israel has been accused by Britain of feting Jewish "terrorists" whose bomb attack killed 28 Britons 60 years ago today. ...
... Israel's celebration of its "freedom fighters" remains highly controversial at a time when it continues to pound Palestinian "terrorists".
Tzipi Livni, Israel's foreign minister, has found herself deeply embroiled in the debate - her father, Eitan, was Irgun's chief operations officer.
Simon Macdonald, the British ambassador to Israel, and consul general John Jenkins, wrote to the mayor of Jerusalem protesting at the plaque. "We don't think it's right for an act of terrorism to be commemorated," their letter read.
Further back in time and space, even Moses was called a terrorist, by the Pharaoh of Egypt.
Guess he must of been.
To bad those medications didn't help your condition.
Israel celebrates Irgun hotel bombers
Deletehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524552/Israel-celebrates-Irgun-hotel-bombers.html
The double standard, one for the Israeli
Another for everyone else.
Menachem Begin (Irgun Zvei Leumi)
DeleteThe labeling of Begin as a terrorist is based on his activities against the British government in Palestine in the mid-1940s. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it was the British who first labeled Begin a terrorist. This label lost much of its force in the late 1970s, when Begin became Israel's prime minister. Today, whether he was a terrorist or not is still debated.
The Irgun, a Zionist militia, carried out these attacks while it was under Begin's command:
February 1944: Bombing of the immigration offices run by the British authorities. Three simultaneous attacks carried out against office branches in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa symbolized the anger of the Irgun over the British policy of restricting Jewish immigration. There were no casualties.
July 1946: The King David Hotel explosion. The Jerusalem luxury hotel was serving as the home of the British military command and government administration. The strike leveled the building and killed 91 people.
The strike leveled the building and killed 91 people.
DeleteTruth, the facts, they are stubborn things, aye.
The Mossad is a terrorist organization. Murdering young civilian scientists by remote controlled explosives is heroic?
DeleteIsrael is a terrorist nation, founded by terrorists, sustained by terrorism, piracy and the murder of innocents.
DeleteTo describe it in any other terms, a leftist lie.
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ReplyDeleteBlah. Blah. Blah.
Enough about Israel, Snowden, Lincoln, and Zimmerman.
Breaking news about something really important. Club Riske' is getting the shaft, or in this case the pole.
See the video then call your congressman before this abuse reaches a club in your neighborhood. (You may notice a well know blog operator from the Philly area in the back as they pan the audience in the beginning).
http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/Lap-dance-tax/38734403717/Comcast/TopVideoClips/?cid=hero_sf
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ReplyDeleteA word on Huma, the distaff side of the Weiner debauch.
1. I was right about the picture of her put up by T being Photoshopped.
2. Not only does the Salon article describe here as part and parcel of the Washington privileged class
...after her maternity leave from her high-level State Department job with its impressive title: deputy chief of staff to Secretary of State Clinton.
It worked like this: instead of being a full-time government employee, she now was a special government employee—“essentially a consultant,” as the New York Times described it. She was allowed to work from home—her New York home—rather than report to State headquarters in Washington. But she retained her high-blown title, along with a salary of $135,000 a year—for unspecified duties. All the while, she undertook outside consulting responsibilities with the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation, as well as with a strategic-consulting firm run by former Bill Clinton adviser Doug Band. She also had an outside job arrangement with Mrs. Clinton, helping in the secretary’s transition out of her cabinet position...
2. I also makes sly and subtle reference to her other peccadillos if one takes into account the subtext
Which calls to mind Huma Abedin, wife of the disgraced former congressman, Anthony Weiner, and a darling of former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton...
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Abedin never so much as deigned to answer reporters’ questions about the curiously blurred lines between her high-level government work in what was purported to be a sensitive job and “her role as a Clinton family insider,” as the Times delicately put it.
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As one anonymous bystander told the Post, “The chatter was, if you wanted to stay in Hillary’s good graces, you answer the call from Huma.”
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/huma-anthony-washington-horror-couple-8781
And yes, I have now taken up the banner of gossip columnist for this blog.
More to come when my wife's Enquirer arrives.
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I have read some somewhat convincing argument that Weiner must have become a secret muzzie in order to marry Huma.
DeleteWhen the next Enquirer comes could you be on the lookout for informed articles concerning this?
thankee
One must admit, what we really have holding the reins of power these days are animals escaped from some Zoo somewhere.
Can we go any lower?
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ReplyDeleteOne more opinion on why Obamanomics is not working after five years...
Middle class has been left behind by Obamanomics
http://washingtonexaminer.com/middle-class-has-been-left-behind-by-obamanomics/article/2533547
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The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA),[1] commonly called Obamacare[2][3] or the Affordable Care Act (ACA), is a United States federal statute signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010.
DeleteOops, I misread "Obamanomics" for Obamacare. Naptime.
DeleteDear Deuce,
ReplyDeleteWashington is buzzing with the news! Even liberal prognosticators now admit Republicans can pick up six seats to take the U.S. Senate in 2014.
It’s not just that seven Democratic seats are up in states Romney won, six in states where his margin was 10%+. This latest shift in opinion was prompted by news that former Democratic Governor Brian Schweitzer won’t run in Montana.
Even the Obama campaign’s favorite number cruncher, Nate Silver, admits this moves a GOP majority within reach. Silver wrote last week in the New York Times that, “Our best guess… is that Republicans will end up with somewhere between 50 and 51 Senate seats after 2014, putting them right on the threshold of a majority.” That must hurt him to say.
Not only is Republican candidate recruitment going well and Democratic recruitment badly, but issues are helping, with Obamacare, the sluggish job picture, scandals and an incompetent and out-of-touch White House shaping the political landscape.
The GOP can win a Senate majority, but it won't be easy. Your support is vital to ensuring Republicans have the resources necessary for victory. Early fundraising is key. Harry Reid knows that: that’s why he announced he’ll try raising $125 million to beat Republicans.
Let’s not let Harry get the drop on us. Will you build on our momentum by helping the GOP today to pickup the key seats needed for a Republican Senate majority?
Please send $100, $50, $25, or whatever you can today to help create a Republican majority in the Senate in 2014.
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Dear Karl,
Fuck off.
Sincerely,
Deuce
Sunday Morning
ReplyDelete1
Complacencies of the peignoir, and late
Coffee and oranges in a sunny chair,
And the green freedom of a cockatoo
Upon a rug mingle to dissipate
The holy hush of ancient sacrifice.
She dreams a little, and she feels the dark
Encroachment of that old catastrophe,
As a calm darkens among water-lights.
The pungent oranges and bright, green wings
Seem things in some procession of the dead,
Winding across wide water, without sound.
The day is like wide water, without sound,
Stilled for the passing of her dreaming feet
Over the seas, to silent Palestine,
Dominion of the blood and sepulchre.
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Why should she give her bounty to the dead?
What is divinity if it can come
Only in silent shadows and in dreams?
Shall she not find in comforts of the sun,
In pungent fruit and bright green wings, or else
In any balm or beauty of the earth,
Things to be cherished like the thought of heaven?
Divinity must live within herself:
Passions of rain, or moods in falling snow;
Grievings in loneliness, or unsubdued
Elations when the forest blooms; gusty
Emotions on wet roads on autumn nights;
All pleasures and all pains, remembering
The bough of summer and the winter branch.
These are the measure destined for her soul.
3
Jove in the clouds had his inhuman birth.
No mother suckled him, no sweet land gave
Large-mannered motions to his mythy mind.
He moved among us, as a muttering king,
Magnificent, would move among his hinds,
Until our blood, commingling, virginal,
With heaven, brought such requital to desire
The very hinds discerned it, in a star.
Shall our blood fail? Or shall it come to be
The blood of paradise? And shall the earth
Seem all of paradise that we shall know?
The sky will be much friendlier then than now,
A part of labor and a part of pain,
And next in glory to enduring love,
Not this dividing and indifferent blue.
4
She says, 'I am content when wakened birds,
Before they fly, test the reality
Of misty fields, by their sweet questionings;
But when the birds are gone, and their warm fields
Return no more, where, then, is paradise?'
There is not any haunt of prophecy,
Nor any old chimera of the grave,
Neither the golden underground, nor isle
Melodious, where spirits gat them home,
Nor visionary south, nor cloudy palm
Remote on heaven's hill, that has endured
As April's green endures; or will endure
Like her remembrance of awakened birds,
Or her desire for June and evening, tipped
By the consummation of the swallow's wings.
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She says, 'But in contentment I still feel
The need of some imperishable bliss.'
Death is the mother of beauty; hence from her,
Alone, shall come fulfillment to our dreams
And our desires. Although she strews the leaves
Of sure obliteration on our paths,
The path sick sorrow took, the many paths
Where triumph rang its brassy phrase, or love
Whispered a little out of tenderness,
She makes the willow shiver in the sun
For maidens who were wont to sit and gaze
Upon the grass, relinquished to their feet.
She causes boys to pile new plums and pears
On disregarded plate. The maidens taste
And stray impassioned in the littering leaves.
6
Is there no change of death in paradise?
Does ripe fruit never fall? Or do the boughs
Hang always heavy in that perfect sky,
Unchanging, yet so like our perishing earth,
With rivers like our own that seek for seas
They never find, the same receding shores
That never touch with inarticulate pang?
Why set pear upon those river-banks
Or spice the shores with odors of the plum?
Alas, that they should wear our colors there,
The silken weavings of our afternoons,
And pick the strings of our insipid lutes!
Death is the mother of beauty, mystical,
Within whose burning bosom we devise
Our earthly mothers waiting, sleeplessly.
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Supple and turbulent, a ring of men
Shall chant in orgy on a summer morn
Their boisterous devotion to the sun,
Not as a god, but as a god might be,
Naked among them, like a savage source.
Their chant shall be a chant of paradise,
Out of their blood, returning to the sky;
And in their chant shall enter, voice by voice,
The windy lake wherein their lord delights,
The trees, like serafin, and echoing hills,
That choir among themselves long afterward.
They shall know well the heavenly fellowship
Of men that perish and of summer morn.
And whence they came and whither they shall go
The dew upon their feet shall manifest.
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She hears, upon that water without sound,
A voice that cries, 'The tomb in Palestine
Is not the porch of spirits lingering.
It is the grave of Jesus, where he lay.'
We live in an old chaos of the sun,
Or old dependency of day and night,
Or island solitude, unsponsored, free,
Of that wide water, inescapable.
Deer walk upon our mountains, and the quail
Whistle about us their spontaneous cries;
Sweet berries ripen in the wilderness;
And, in the isolation of the sky,
At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
Downward to darkness, on extended wings.
Wallace Stevens
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ReplyDeleteClear water in a brilliant bowl,
Pink and white carnations. The light
In the room more like a snowy air,
Reflecting snow. A newly-fallen snow
At the end of winter when afternoons return.
Pink and white carnations – one desires
So much more than that. The day itself
Is simplified: a bowl of white,
Cold, a cold porcelain, low and round,
With nothing more than the carnations there.
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Say even that this complete simplicity
Stripped one of all one’s torments, concealed
The evilly compounded, vital I
And made it fresh in a world of white,
A world of clear water, brilliant-edged,
Still one would want more, one would need more,
More than a world of white and snowy scents.
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There would still remain the never-resting mind,
So that one would want to escape, come back
To what had been so long composed.
The imperfect is our paradise.
Note that, in this bitterness, delight,
Since the imperfect is so hot in us,
Lies in flawed words and stubborn sounds.
The shortest line in the Gospels is 'Jesus wept.'
ReplyDeleteWho hasn’t?
DeleteDeuce seems to think we are a duplex, a body and a mind/consciousness, when we are at least a triplex, a body and a mind/consciousness, and spirit.
ReplyDelete"We are hyper dimensional beings of some sort, and we cast a shadow into materiality, and that shadow is our bodies."
Terrence McKinna
We are ONE.
DeleteIyam an Army of ONE.
Butt, I have a choice of TWO uniforms:
Big Butt, or small.
...only 1 choice of bullet tho, since lead is scarce an copper abundant.
Did that article refer to the price of Copper vs Lead, Deuce?
At least Deuce thinks.
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DeleteAs to the 55 million victims of US Constitutional law, well, that is sad indeed.
ReplyDeleteThe Chief Rabbinate of Israel might think those were murders, under the precepts of Judaic Law.
The US, however, does not celebrate Judaism as the "State Religion", nor is the United States proclaimed to be a "Jewish Homeland". Israel does and is.
Many times I have been referred to as "anti-Semitic" because I criticize a secular state in a portion of Palestine. Yet it is that very same secular state that the Chief Rabbinate of Israel compares to Egypt at the time of Moses.
What could possibly be more anti-Judaic than that?
It is the support the US gives to the murderers of Jews, the Pharaohs of the 21st century, living in Jerusalem that is at issue. It is the anti-Judaic nature of the state of Israel, the financing of murder of Jews by the state that is the issue, in Israel.
It is the hypocrisy of those that call the secular state of Israel a "Jewish Homeland", for propaganda purposes, while the agents of that government slaughter what Judaic Law considers to be Jews that is at issue.
In the US there is opposition to the wholesale slaughter of innocents. There are those that support the US government that at the same time speak out against the slaughter of innocents that is allowed under US Constitutional Law. In the state of Texas and elsewhere across the nation there is reform and change in the application of US Constitutional law.
Here at the Libertarian the AIPAC shills will not denounce the state of Israel and the murder of Jews it condones, sanctions and finances.
The AIPAC shills march in lockstep with the secular socialist regime in Israel, while claiming to be observant Jews.
Their hypocrisy is palpable.
Their support for those in the Israeli government that would piss on Judaic Law and moral standards, for political gain, while denying the most basic precepts of Judaic Law, comical to the point of tragedy.
Those that support the government of Israel and that deny the truth of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel's position show that they use religion as a political crutch. All while they deny the most basic precept of Judaic civilization, obedience to the Law.
quot celebrates the murder of Jews and denigrates the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.
He attempts to find equivalence between removal of a nonviable tissue mass in the United States and the murder of Jews in Israel.
He denigrates the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and Judaic Law in his attempts in finding equivalency between the actions of the secular and socialist state of Israel and the behavior of individual gentiles and pagans.
Facts, amigo, they are stubborn things, aye.
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DeleteOne question, rat.
Who here really cares what the Chief Rabbinate of Israel says?
You've pretty much milked this meme for all it's worth.
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Rat's words show who and what he is..
DeleteHe is the best advertisement to be PRO-Israel there is.
RAT: Many times I have been referred to as "anti-Semitic" because I criticize a secular state in a portion of Palestine.
DeleteNo, we call you anti-semite for your thousands and thousands of anti-zionist, anti-israel and anti-jewish statements.
But you can cry "victim" all you wish....
We see thru your smoke and mirrors.
I stand with Israel, you stand with whom?
Anyone, Q, that claims to be Jewish would care about the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.
DeleteHe does have standing in that community.
quot stands with the murderers of Jews and is proud of it.
Little wonder that two days after the Patriot Day bombing we were regaled with obscenities from quot.
Hitler, quot wrote, was right.
quot does stand proudly with the mass murderers of Jews.
His secular politics overwhelms his supposed religiosity.
Life is certainly sweet.
It gets better every day.
;-)
"Copacabana's famous mosaic sidewalks were strewn with trampled cardboard, plastic bags, empty water bottles and cookie wrappers as trash collectors in orange uniforms tried to restore order.
ReplyDelete"You'd think they could at least put their garbage in all the bins," said Jose da Silva, a 75-year-old retired farm worker who supplements his meager income by collecting empty cans for recycling.
"I'm also pretty surprised that people who call themselves Christians would throw away all this food.""
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Sounds like the level of commitmet of the Religion of the Left in the New "Secular" State of Amerika.
Like Rufie's non-existent commitment to Solar Energy, even for the lowly task of heating his bath water.
("I may be moving, what if the new owners want Carbon Heated Water Too?")
Seen one Hypocrit, seen 'em all.
DeleteAfter Reading This
ReplyDeleteI'd say use lead bullets for the military, home protection, and target shooting, and copper for hunting.
Bald Eagle don't eat many human corpses or much target range debris, do they.
desert ratSun Jul 28, 06:41:00 PM EDT
ReplyDeleteIsrael is a terrorist nation, founded by terrorists, sustained by terrorism, piracy and the murder of innocents.
Yep, Rat is the best advert for being Pro-Israel.
I stand with Israel.
You stand then with the murderers of Jews, as defined by and publicly written by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.
DeleteMust be uncomfortable for you, as you keep repeating yourself, it is as if you were trying to convince yourself of what you are saying.
It's been raining for a couple of weeks.
The grass is thick and green.
To bad those 250,000 Jews that were murdered by the state of Israel, in the 21st century, can't enjoy it too.
Life is sure sweet.
;-)
It does not surprise that the state of Israel would murder Jews, as it supported genocide in Guatemala, in the 1980's. Those in charge of Israel then did not consider the victims in Guatemala to be human beings, either. They being brown skinned pagans.
ReplyDeleteThe people in charge of that secular state have little respect for human lives, other than their own.
In their own land or abroad.
A secular state, founded by terrorists, their descendents play that Goebbels card, time and again.
What is "Occupation"
ReplyDeleteHey, WIO:
Just listened to a Carolla "Carcast" Podcast from 2009 with a caller who's running his 240 Diesel on unprocessed Restaurant Oil.
Kid filters it for his allowance, Dad puts it in the tank.
Carolla thinks it might be a good add for the 10 or so restaurants he services by way of all the folks that will think of dinner out while inhaling the exhaust from Burger King, Denny's or etc.
"Ad"
DeleteEthanol Poisoning.
Lahaina Kaanapali Railroad's been running on restaurant waste for 20 years.
ReplyDeleteRufie drinks ethanol and spouts bullshit.