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Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Ron Paul on Iran

Please identify which part shows Ron Paul to be wrong.



HAT TIP: AIPAC

The Senate on Dec. 1 voted by a unanimous vote of 100-0 to pass an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would sanction the Central Bank of Iran (CBI), a key facilitator of Iran's nuclear weapons program. The amendment, offered by Sens. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and Mark Kirk (R-IL), seeks to dramatically escalate the pressure on Tehran by targeting the CBI, virtually the only Iranian financial institution capable of conducting international financial transactions for the regime. Iran’s ability to sell its crude oil—from which it derives 80 percent of its hard currency—is dependent on transactions through its central bank.

The National Defense Authorization Act also passed the House on Dec. 14 and the Senate on Dec. 15, and now goes to the president for his signature.

182 comments:

  1. Makes more sense than any of the rest.

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  2. The other candidates are struggling for national attention. Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.) are at 7 percent in the poll, while former senator Rick Santorum (Pa.) and former Utah governor Jon Huntsman Jr. are at 3 percent.

    Most Republicans say Paul’s views on limited government are a major reason to support him, while many consider his opposition to U.S. military intervention a big reason to oppose his candidacy. Nearly two-thirds say they can rely on Paul to say what he really believes — more than say so about Gingrich or Romney — but a slim majority says he lacks the personality and temperament to be an effective president.

    Nearly half say that his policies as president probably would be unacceptable to most Americans.

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  3. Jenny's stalker could use some shut-eye.

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  4. Somebody done shot that poor ol' boy's dog.

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  5. Google Translate:

    Somewhere far away: Stirlitz meeting with his wife.

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  6. She's gonna be responsible for a couple lung cancer deaths.....


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  7. I'm convinced that a war with Iran would be an absolute disaster for the United States. Some potential consequences that are horrid, almost beyond quantification.

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  8. If they were really serious, as in "fighting for your life" serious, they could shut down the Straits for a long time.

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  9. Rufus, I could find a quote by you a couple years ago where you said you were almost for it at that time.

    WiO is right. You may not think we are at war with islam but islam is at war with us.

    Pauls Revisionist History

    We are better off to be engaged in some manner, however much the disagreement might be on just what that is -- Ron Paul seems to think the oceans are a big barrier. It isn't the early 1800's any more, and hasn't been for, well, a couple hundred years.

    What is irritating about Paul is he doesn't seem to be able to entertain any idea of an overseas operation of any kind no matter what.

    Come on now, really, hasn't our fleet kept that waterway over there open all these years?

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  10. What would we do when that Sinopec tanker pulls in to fill up?

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  11. Rufus II said...

    If they were really serious, as in "fighting for your life" serious, they could shut down the Straits for a long time.

    Tue Dec 20, 01:13:00 AM EST


    If it weren't for us, they could do as they wish with it tomorrow morning.

    bedtime here

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  12. What's President Paul gonna do when they demand one hell of a big fee to transit their waterway?

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  13. No, Iran allowed it to stay open. Iran knows that to close the straits is war, mos' skoshe.

    It hasn't been worth it up until now . . . . . but, if we put their back to the wall . . . . .

    Bob, Rupaul is a nutjob. No one is going to elect him president. However, the Pubs damned well better pay attention. Because the more he talks about foreign policy the more his poll numbers rise.

    And, the scary part is: this confuses the republicans. They are so far out of touch that they don't realize that the people are going broke, and they're tired of war in the mideast.

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  14. 75,000,000 Muslims in an area roughly Two and a Half Times the size of Texas.

    We could bloody their nose, but we could Never occupy it. We Would have to go in and physically control the shoreline the length of the Gulf. Somewhere between 500, and a 1,000 miles, I guess.

    In the meantime gasoline would be $20.00 gallon if it was a nickel.

    We would have, literally, millions of people paying more to drive to work than they were earning.

    It would devastate our economy. It would be . . . . I can't even think of the appropriate phrase. "Insane" comes to mind.

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  15. 615 miles long according to Wiki.

    And, I suppose, two guys could shoot a silkworm off the bed of a small pickup truck.

    You would have to physically control the shoreline.

    615 miles

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  16. roughly the distance from St Louis, to New Orleans.

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  17. A tourist in Vienna is going through a graveyard and all of a sudden he hears music. No one is around, so he starts searching for the source. He finally locates the origin and finds it is coming from a grave with a headstone that reads "Ludwig van Beethoven, 1770- 1827". Then he realizes that the music is the Ninth Symphony and it is being played backwards!

    Puzzled, he leaves the graveyard and persuades a friend to return with him.
    By the time they arrive back at the grave, the music has changed. This time it is the Seventh Symphony, but like the previous piece, it is being played backwards.

    Curious, the men agree to consult a music scholar. When they return with the expert, the Fifth Symphony is playing, again backwards.

    The expert notices that the symphonies are being played in the reverse order in which they were composed, the 9th, then the 7th, then the 5th.

    By the next day the word has spread and a crowd has gathered around the grave. They are all listening to the Second Symphony being played backwards. Just then the graveyard's caretaker ambles up to the group.

    Someone in the group asks him if he has an explanation for the music.

    "I would have thought it was obvious" the caretaker says.

    "He's decomposing."

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  18. Iran is too rational to attack Israel
    Israel's policy makers now face a complicated dilemma regarding Iran's nuclear program: Should they work on the assumption that mutual deterrence of the Cold War variety is applicable to the Iranian situation?

    By Reuven Pedatzur - Harretz.com
    Tue, December 20, 2011 Kislev 24, 5772


    For starters, the question is whether an Iran with a nuclear capability would act as a rational state. If it were impossible to deter Iran's leaders from firing nuclear bombs at Israel, since their deliberations and decisions would be irrational, a nuclear Iran would indeed pose an existential threat to Israel, one that Israel could never countenance.

    Under such circumstances, there would apparently be no choice but to try to destroy Iran's nuclear program. In contrast, if we assume that the political leaders and ayatollahs in Tehran are rational, we could rely on Israel's deterrent powers and live under the shadow of an Iranian bomb.

    Israel's policy makers now face a complicated dilemma. Should they work based on the assumption that mutual deterrence of the Cold War variety is applicable to the Iranian situation? Will the calculations of a Muslim leader in Tehran be similar to those that were made in the Kremlin? Are Ayatollah Khomeini's successors willing to commit suicide and bring ruin to the Iranian people solely to kill a few hundred thousand inhabitants of the detested Zionist entity?

    Prof. Ofira Seliktar of Gratz College in Pennsylvania examined the vast literature on this subject and found that two-thirds of researchers fall into the "nuclear optimist" category - they believe that a nuclear Iran would behave as a rational state and thus be susceptible to deterrence aimed at stopping it from using nuclear weapons. The rest are "nuclear pessimists." They believe that Iran is not a rational state, so deterrent capabilities will not suffice.

    An analysis of the evidence reveals that the optimists defend their position much more convincingly. Iran, they contend, is developing nuclear weapons as a result of its bitter experience in the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, not because of a plan to use such weapons against its neighbors or Israel. The development of nuclear weapons is a rational Iranian choice; it's the logical response of a non-Western state to Western powers and their allies. (It's no accident that Defense Minister Ehud Barak quipped that if he were an Iranian, he would take part in the development of nuclear weapons. )


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    The possession of nuclear weapons might actually encourage moderation in the Iranian regime, just as China's Communist regime, which was considered radical and dangerous, became more cautious in the 1960s after it stockpiled nuclear weapons. As with any regime, the main goal of Iran's leaders is to remain in power; survival is the supreme objective of leaderships even in rogue states.

    It seems the pessimists exaggerate when they attribute irrationality to Iran's leaders. Those who talk about the "crazed dictatorship of Tehran" ought to recall the "crazed" dictators of the Cold War - Stalin and Mao, who acted in an entirely rational manner when it came to nuclear issues.

    History teaches that the Iranian leadership behaves in a completely rational way when it might pay a very steep price for using military force. Thus, even the Ayatollah Khomeini, perceived as the quintessentially irrational leader, acted in a completely rational way when the Iraqis fired ballistic missiles at Tehran, claiming the lives of thousands of Iranians.

    Khomeini, who had declared that he would never sign a cease-fire with Iraq, not before Baghdad agreed to an unconditional surrender, was compelled to come to terms with the new situation of bombs falling on Iran's capital, so he signed a truce with Saddam Hussein.

    We should therefore note Israel's error when it magnifies the Iranian threat and depicts it as an existential threat. Israel's deterrent capability suffices to prevent any Iranian leader from entertaining thoughts about firing a nuclear warhead at it. The time has come to stop complaining about the boogeyman of existential threat and desist from jingoistic declarations that sometimes create a dangerous dynamic of escalation.

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  20. All we have done with our ignorant foreign policy is to extend the control of the ayatollahs. We have provided what every tyrant needs: a bellicose foreign external threat.

    Every time we threaten, every act of economic aggression ends in extending the life of the thugs running Iran. The Iranian man in the street is not that much different from his US equivalent. If some foreign power were always fucking with us, what would we do?

    The Harretz article points to the obvious lesson from history about nuclear deterrence.

    Open your mind and think. Use your common experience or be gullible and believe the lying opportunists who have their own agenda, people that will do you no favors but take everything they can from you.

    Clearly, from the Haaretz article, there are sensible Israelis that see right through the Netanyahu’s of the world, a man every bit as cynical and despicable as our own mullahs in congress. Netanyahu has no problem seeing American taxpayers going to the back of the economic bus. His concern is his political career. He went to school in Cheltenham, Pennsylvania. He knows how to manipulate Americans and the US culture and our corrupt politicians in congress.

    Ron Paul has more guts and common sense than the murder of congressional crows shitting on your head.

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  21. Even if Israel DIDN'T have its own nuclear deterrent, the idea that Iran would use its weapons against Israel is ludicrous. Fodder for fools that is propagated by people with an agenda.

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  22. After careful consideration it has become painfully obvious that the Republicans are going to lose the White House in 2012.

    It they do not extend the payroll tax holiday, they will lose the House, too.

    I'd have never imagined they could manage such a debacle, in December of 2010.

    Little wonder the elites of the GOP froze Gary Johnson out of the process. As Mr Johnson articulates the same views as Dr Paul, but in a way that is not as "Quirky".

    Dr Paul is breaking a trail that leads to the "small government" that a majority of the GOP rank & file support. A position that the DC elites give lip service to, but never put into policy.

    Thus the DC elites bring out the "big guns", against Dr Paul to no effect. The rank & file are rallying to his Standard while Limbaugh and Hannity piss their pants.

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  23. I've been waiting forty years to see this happen.

    The wave is mounting.

    Joy to the whirled.

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  24. ...Ron Paul has more guts and common sense than the murder of congressional crows shitting on your head. :)

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  25. If Islam is at "War" with US, where is their army?

    Our is on their ground.
    From the middle of Arabia to Southwest Asia.

    Theirs is not in Mexico.
    Nor in Europe.

    They don't even have a boat that floats.

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  26. Now, here's an idea that I've not heard floated, but...

    The US was about to announce an agreement with Kim Jung Il that would supply NorK with food stuffs in exchange for them limiting further production of enriched uranium and plutonium.

    The day before the announcement, Kim dies.

    Wonder who killed him?

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  27. Insider Advantage (Iowa):
    Paul 24, Romney 18, Perry 16, Gingrich 13

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  28. DR: The day before the announcement, Kim dies.

    Wonder who killed him?


    I was going to say the Man on the Grassy Knoll, but the Norks ate all the grass in that country.

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  29. I can remember only one line from the last Iowa debate. I remember Newt said some truly crazy things about marching Judges before Congress, and I remember Michelle Bachman got all over Newt's ass about this or that; But I remember only one line.

    "Why Do You Want To Start Another War?"

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  30. Eisenhower was elected on a promise to have the troops home from Korea by Christmas.

    Nixon was elected on a "secret plan" to get us out of Vietnam.

    Obama was elected on a pledge to get us "out of Iraq."

    Obama is going to run on "now it's time to leave Afghanistan."

    The Pubs had better pay attention to Ron Paul. Nancy Pelosi is sitting in the wings.

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  31. Big Numbers from the Dept Stores this wk (Up 4.6% year on year.)

    Housing starts and permits up nicely for the second month in a row.

    Really good numbers on unemployment claims last week.

    Gasoline prices getting back down to the level where consumers don't want to commit suicide when they pull into the gas station (putting that 60 Million Barrels of Oil, and oil products onto the market last Summer is turning out to have been a Powerful Move.)

    And, now, Obama's got the Pubs stretched out on the wrong foot on the Payroll Tax issue.

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  32. The President of the United States has tremendous power to influence markets, and events in the short run, and Obama will do whatever is required to get reelected.

    Look for Obama to release another 30 Million Barrels from the SPR as soon as gas prices start to head back up. That will likely seal the deal.

    Obammie's going to be hard to beat.

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  33. Canada's new supply almost 20% of our total.
    Fucknuts Obama wants to put off his union and environazi's until after the election.

    Democrats in Congress respond to sane unionistas over enviroNAZIS.

    If Obama carries the day, he's fucked.

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  34. Andy Grove of Intel (himself a cancer survivor) reacted to Jobs’ decision to try diet instead of surgery and chemotherapy to treat his cancer this way:

    "Steve talked to me when he was trying to cure himself by eating horseshit and horseshit roots, and I told him he was crazy.

    Nutritionist Dean Ornish told him to get conventional therapy.

    Jobs continued his Vegan diet throughout.

    Wife gained 5 lbs with Dr Doug enforcing a calorie count.

    ...that's a 5 percent gain!
    (believe it or not)

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  35. The power inherit in the White House and the billion USD campaign fund.

    Running against Mr Wall Street, or Fraudie's on call historian, this after the GOP raises taxes on the Middle Class, while not raising taxes on millionaires.

    That is not a recipe for a GOP victory.

    In fact it will ring the death knell for the GOP wing of the Federal Socialists. They will become the Whigs of the 21st century.

    Joy to the Whirled.

    Wonder who America Elect is going to put on the ballot, in all fifty states?

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  36. Who mixed the Republican's kool-aid?

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  37. This could be a very big deal. Kenya Strikes Steam

    5 Gigawatts of Constant Power for $20 Billion, with no continuing feedstock costs, is a Hell of a Deal.

    This will Not be well-received in the boardrooms of Exxon, and Shell.

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  38. Doug wrote:

    "If Obama carries the day, he's fucked."

    I dunno. The plan seems simple enough - stall the pipeline decision so that everyone "hopes" Obama will fullfill their wishes. If he makes the call before the election he's bound to lose some votes and gain others but on balance, who knows. This way the politician has a chance of playing both sides of the issue.

    Speaking of Republicans, at least they are consistedn ;)

    Republican mayor outed after spending taxpayer money at gay sex store in Toronto

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  39. The GOP had Obama on the ropes, doug.

    They were forcing him to make an up or down decision on the pipeline, in 60 days.

    No mas.

    Mr Boner let him off the hook.

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  40. The pipeline gets built, Q. Obammie ain't crazy.

    He is, however, in a reelection campaign. His base had a point when they objected to running the pipeline across the Sandhills. He's not going to Dispirit them, Now.

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  41. See, everyone (Rufus included) projects Obama will do the 'right thing!

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  42. Trying to ram that pipeline through across the Sandhills was arrogance of the highest order.

    It's only a 40 mile detour to go around them, and the Ogallala Aquifer comes up to within a few inches of the surface, there.

    It was just a dumb move.

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  43. It was just the locals who bitched aboout the aquifer (pubs and dems). The greenies hate the dirty tar sands and the pubs love the gas and jobs.

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  44. Angelina Jolie Feeds Her Kids Bugs

    Remember drinking “bug juice” at summer camp? We knew it wasn’t literally bug juice, right? Well Angenlina Jolie and Brad Pitt‘s brood actually do eat bugs, but they’re crunchy not juicy.

    While shooting her Louis Vuitton ad in Cambodia, Angelina revealed that she and her kids love to eat insects, specifically crickets. “It’s their favorite thing, ” Jolie said. “They ate them like Doritos and they wouldn’t stop. But they’re good. They are like a potato chip.”

    Actually, Angelina prefers cockroaches to crickets, she told New York Magazine, but “There’s this very pointy bit on their stomach you just can’t eat. You have to kind of pop that off.”

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  45. I'd pop it off and make the kids eat it when punishment was needed.

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  46. ...and offer the rest of the succulent Roach to "friends."

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  47. Rufus
    She showed some sense when she left Silly Slob Snortin'
    (Billy Bob Thornton)

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  48. Google, in partnership with investment firm KKR, is making a $94 million investment in four solar energy farms near Sacramento, California.

    In a Tuesday blog post, Google noted that it has already committed to outfitting solar panels on the roofs of more than 10,000 home, but this is its first broad-scale investment in the energy grid.

    Recurrent Energy, which already has a 20-year deal with the Sacramento Utility District, will be responsible for the construction and operation of the facilities.

    "We believe investing in the renewable energy sector makes business sense and hope clean energy projects continue to attract new sources of capital to help the world move towards a more sustainable energy future," wrote Google Treasury assistant treasurer Axel Martinez.

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  49. from Politico -

    What especially worries Iowa Republican regulars is the possibility that Paul could win here on January 3rd with the help of Democrats and independents who change their registration to support the libertarian-leaning Texas congressman but then don’t support the GOP nominee next November.

    “I don’t think any candidate perverting the process in that fashion helps [the caucuses] in any way,” said Iowa House Speaker Kraig Paulsen, adding that he didn’t know if that’s necessarily how Paul would win.

    While there’s no evidence of an organized effort, public polling shows that Paul’s lead is built in large part with the support of non-Republicans – and few party veterans think such voters would stick with the GOP in November.

    “They’ll all go back and vote for Obama,” predicted Beach.


    The old demented racist might only win cause the dems and indies pop in on a lark......

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  50. :)

    Actually, I didn't even know she was married to him.

    I didn't even know who she was until I read that whatshisname had left Jennifer Anniston for her.

    I remember my impression of the first picture I saw of her was: looks like she could "get dirty," but not my type.

    But, in my opinion, feeding bugs, especially those whose main diet is manure, to your kids might be a good way to get one or more of them very sick. Seems stupid to me.

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  51. She should, but won't, be brought up on charges of child endangerment for doing that.

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  52. from NYT -


    A 1992 passage from the Ron Paul Political Report about the Los Angeles riots read, “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks.” A passage in another newsletter asserted that people with AIDS should not be allowed to eat in restaurants because “AIDS can be transmitted by saliva”; in 1990 one of his publications criticized Ronald Reagan for having gone along with the creation of the federal holiday honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., which it called “Hate Whitey Day.”


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  53. That Politico piece is just the pre-loss spin, by the GOP elites.

    Their boys are goin' to lose.

    There is no evidence of this "switching" taking place.

    It even says so, in the piece from Politico, boobie.

    While there’s no evidence of an organized effort ...

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  54. continuing...


    During his 1996 race for the House, Democrats publicized issues of his newsletter that called Barbara Jordan, the African-American Texas congresswoman, a “half-educated victimologist” and said of crime in Washington, D.C., “I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

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  55. Fried crickets are a staple food item, across Asia.

    What kind of limited whirled view are you fellas advocating?

    Ever eat shrimp or lobster?

    Both are bottom shit and garbage eaters of the seas.

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  56. I didn't read anything about "frying." Was it there?

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  57. Looks like Dr Paul will not get the "Black Vote".

    As if Romney or Newt would.

    Funny shit, to be sure, watchin' the Federal Socialists doing the one step forward, two step back jig.

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  58. What a lying sack of shit Ron Paul is --

    His publishing business employed his family and generated $940,000 in revenues in 1993 alone, as James Kirchick pointed out yet again this week:

    Yet a subsequent report by Reason found that Ron Paul & Associates, the defunct company that published the newsletters and which counted Paul and his wife as officers, reported an income of nearly $1 million in 1993 alone. If this figure is reliable, Paul must have earned multiple millions of dollars over the two decades plus of the newsletters’ existence. It is incredible that he had less than an active interest in what was being printed as part of a subscription newsletter enterprise that earned him and his family millions of dollars. Ed Crane, the president of the Cato Institute, said Paul told him that “his best source of congressional campaign donations was the mailing list for the Spotlight, the conspiracy-mongering, anti-Semitic tabloid run by the Holocaust denier Willis Carto.”

    How likely would it be that a publisher made a million dollars in revenues from his enterprise, managed to employ his family at the business, and yet never bothered to look at its product? Zero, even if one buys the argument that Paul allowed other people to ghost-write the newsletter under his own name and in the first person without ever reviewing their output to make sure that it didn’t contradict his own political stands.



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  59. They are like potato chips"

    Which are fried, no?

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  60. It is actually quite common in cultures around the world, such as North, Central and South America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, Australia and New Zealand.

    Angie’s infamously strange eating habits may be good for her kids. Insects are lower in fat, higher in protein, and have a better feed to meat ratio than beef, lamb, pork, or chicken.


    Eat any raw pork or chicken, lately?

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  61. Little disheveled prick ran a conspiracist, anti-semitic, racist tabloid and made millions off it and some of you ass holes love the guy.

    Christ!!!!!!!!



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  62. You see, the "lie" is in the "omission." In addition to Paul, and his family, there were roughly another Dozen employees/stakeholders, which means Paul and his family might have gotten a whole hell of a lot less than the Cato article implies. Cato is just as bad as American Thinker.

    The important thing about Ron Paul is Not that he might be President (he won't,) but that the American Public is responding very positively to his foreign policy comments.

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  63. Who loves him, boobie?

    We've been discussing the proposed policies, not the people presenting those proposals.

    I have yet to read anyone that even thinks Dr Paul is a viable contender.

    Which is why the DC elites let him on the stage, rather than Gary Johnson. That the Doctor's policies are proving so popular, amongst the rank & file of the GOP, an indicator of how disconnected the Federal Socialists of the GOP have become from their constituents.

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  64. Those policy proposal are popular despite the obvious personal flaws of Dr Paul.

    Personal flaws no one denies.
    Or cares about.

    Because it's the policies, stupid.

    Economic, domestic and foreign.

    Dr Paul advocating for "Small Government" across the board, on all fronts.

    And he is winning

    Joy to the Whirled.

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  65. A conspiracist, an anti-semite, a racist, a constitutional illiterate (jury nullification) what's not to like for a loser like the crapper....?

    It's property tax day today, gotta go...

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  66. Well, "frying" would certainly change my opinion. Mea Culpa, I guess. :)

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  67. I'd much prefer Gary Johson, to Dr Paul, but the GOP elites froze Mr Johnson out.

    Not my fault they did.

    Left to choose 'tween Mr Fraudie, Mr Wall Street or the Quirky Librarian, the GOP elites provide no other choice for advocates of small government than the Doctor.

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  68. Maybe I need to expand my world view. Something for me to think about.

    Naw, insects are nasty. Not fond of shrimp but lobster is some good eating.

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  69. Sarah might jump back in the race?

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  70. Over the past five years, ratepayers in jurisdictions with high uptakes of wind and solar PV have experienced below-average price increases for retail electricity. In fact, the five states with the largest capacities of wind and solar PV saw an average increase in cost/kWh that was not only significantly less than the U.S. average, but also less than the five states with the lowest adoption of solar PV and wind. As the graph illustrates, this statement is true whether cost increases are judged as growth rates or as real dollar figures.


    Interesting Article, Amazing Statistic

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  72. The only way that could happen, D-man is if she is the nominee of the America Elect movement.

    The filing windows in most of the GOP primaries are closed, or closing rapidly.

    The calendar has made her a frivolous distraction, as far as the Republican race for the nomination is concerned.

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  73. Filing for the primaries is difficult.

    As of today Newt cannot qualify for a place on the primary ballot in Virginia.

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  74. Newt Gingrich told a crowd in Iowa today, per POLITICO’s Reid Epstein, that his campaign is “scrambling” to make the ballot in Virginia by the deadline Thursday.

    “The challenge for us is to get the popular support organized fast enough – we barely made it [on the ballot] in Ohio,” he said. “We may barely make it Thursday in Virginia. We’re asking all of our friends in Virginia to go to newt.org and volunteer.”

    Meanwhile, Mitt Romney’s campaign announced today that Virginia Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, a Romney co-chair in the state, will drop off Romney’s completed petition tomorrow morning.

    Ballot access creates a number of organizational hurdles, with states like Virginia requiring a great deal of effort on the ground to get the required signatures. For any candidate not named Romney, the level of organization these ballot access procedures require will be a struggle.

    There are almost 20 filing deadlines between now and the end of February, all requiring different levels of effort on the part of the candidate.


    Ballot Access reported @ Politico

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  75. It looks like Obama for another term, as much as I dislike the thought of it.

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  76. There should not be a binding primary system at all. All the delegates should be un-plugged. The system is as gamed as it gets.

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  77. Iraq's Sunni Vice-President, Tariq al-Hashemi, has denied any wrongdoing, a day after a warrant was issued for his arrest on terrorism-related charges.

    Mr Hashemi described as "fabricated" the accusation he was linked to attacks on government and security officials.

    He also accused Prime Minister Nouri Maliki, a Shia, of being behind a plot to embarrass him and blow apart recent attempts at national reconciliation.

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  78. "Americans Elect is the first nonpartisan nomination. We're using the Internet to break the gridlock in Washington, open up the political process and give every single voter—Democrat, Republican or independent—the power to nominate a presidential ticket in 2012."

    Two and a quarter million signatures (and counting).
    Too bad that won't be enough to make a dent in D.C.

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  79. I don't know about that, Deuce, but ...

    I certainly do not understand why the Party is required to have "Open" primaries, where non-party members are permitted to participate.

    Seems to be an oximoronic way to choose a political party's leader.

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  80. .

    A conspiracist, an anti-semite, a racist, a constitutional illiterate (jury nullification) what's not to like for a loser like the crapper....?


    Geez, Bob, wake up to reality. Whether Obama wins or it's one of the seven dwarves, we are effectively screwed for the next four years.

    None of them have a clue as to how to get us out of the mess we are in (economicaly). I personally think it will be the natural flow of the various markets that will do it in the end and that will take time.

    All any of these guys will do is end up as an inhibitor to that eventual recovery.

    As for foreign policy, the American people's attachment to Paul's non-interventionist policy is a natural result of ten years of nation-building and wars of choice. They are fed up with it.

    You are on the wrong side of history at the moment.

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  81. The process is corrupt:

    Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney on Tuesday blasted the influence of so-called super PACs in contemporary politics, calling the "new entities" a "disaster" and claiming that campaign finance laws have "made a mockery of our political campaign season."

    "This is a strange thing in these campaign finance laws," Romney said in an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "They set up these new entities, which I think is a disaster, by the way. Campaign finance law has made a mockery of our political campaign season."

    He added: "We really ought to let campaigns raise the money they need and just get rid of these super PACs.”

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  82. The Super Pacs, a direct result of decisions by the "Conservative" judges appointed by the Republican Presidents.

    Citzens United was the case.
    Justices Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Kennedy and Scalia deciding that corporations are people, too.

    Which boobie tells us makes it imperative to elect a Republican, any Republican to be President.
    He wants US to ...

    Stay the Course!

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  83. The Republicans, back in the day, supported transparency. Allowing unlimited donations with those who made the donations doing so in the light of day.

    The Democrats wanting limits set upon the amounts that anyone could donate to a political campaign.

    The Supremes allowed for unlimited funding and complete opaqueness.

    Gotta love it.

    Newt not mentioning the Supremes nor the Citizens United case when he said that he'd bring judges to Congress to explain themselves.

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  84. .

    I agree with Romney that the process is corrupt but disagree with him on the fix. Where he would do away with PACS and leave it up to each individual candidate to raise funds on his own, I would merely set a limit on how much each candidate could spend.

    This would even the playing field and allow others than these dicks who perpetually run to play.

    I disagree with the Supremes that this would inhibit free speech. We have no free speech right now. It is all quite expensive.

    Out of a country of 320 million, there has to be someone more qulified than Obama White and the Seven Dwarves.

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  85. As Romney said, on the Joe Starbucks Show, he cannot coordinate with the Super PACs.

    They are independent of the campaign.

    If you wanted to buy political ads, in your local newspaper or on FOX News, Q, why should the Federals be able to restrict that?

    Especially, as legislated in McCain-Feingold, in the months immediately prior to an election.

    Transparency and accountability are the keys to the solutions.

    Whether it involves the election process or the Federal Reserve.

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  86. Perhaps a limitation upon non-citizen contributions would be in order.

    That could eliminate corporations and Unions from the campaign funding process.

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  87. The idea that corporations and Unions are people, with regards the political process, lunacy.

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  88. .

    If you wanted to buy political ads, in your local newspaper or on FOX News, Q, why should the Federals be able to restrict that?.

    A lot of people agree with you. I don't. My idea wouldn't restrict you from doing any of these things. It would merely limit how much of it you could do.

    However, the discussion is obviously rhetorical, at least until a different SCOTUS rules differently.

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  89. Maybe, before labeling those people EnviroNazis you should watch This


    That, there, is some pretty dirty doin's.

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  90. The First One was the Best One:

    History, n.

    an account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant,

    which are brought about by rulers, mostly knaves, and soldiers, mostly fools.

    AMBROSE BIERCE, The Devil's Dictionary

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  91. GentleLadies,and GentleMen, and crapper, think on the "Guernica" and the end of an historical era that it records.

    The end of the caballero!

    And from whence did he arise? This symbiosis of four and two? Why from those northern steppes where folks had been ascraping and ahunting for 200,000 years fore some asshole figured out how to ride a horse, and flog his mates from above.

    From hence the now mounted, and charioted too, invaded Greece, India, Germany, Poland, Russia and points abroad etc. and kept this shit up till the motorized bomber appeared and bombed Guernica to dusty death, no horsemen longer needed. Poor horse, but the bull abides, O, the bull abides, celestial sign of ever waxing and ever waning life. And this scene truly needs be contemplated with compassion, and understanding. And, with not a little fear for the future.

    "History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake"

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  92. I’m beginning to see the wisdom in the parliamentary system and election cycles that last eight weeks and governments falling on votes of confidence. They are no less corrupt but eliminate these insane long election cycles.

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  93. History is the autobiography of a madman.

    ALEXANDER HERZEN, Dr. Krupov

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  94. And some of you dodos seem unconcerned with the prospect of nuclear bombs in the hands of Shiites, apocalyptic Twelvers, for whom death is bliss and gain.....

    My God, my G-d,.......



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  95. My Jewish lawyer was for a parliament, too.

    I don't think it matters much.

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  96. Leon Panetta is running around saying, "Iran will not be Allowed to have Nukes."

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  97. I'm sure I could come up with 12 Million Events with a higher probability of ending my life than an Iranian nuke.

    It's insane. It's like our country's only reason for existence is to do whatever bidding is the current whim of AIPAC.

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  98. Anonymous Bob said... And some of you dodos seem unconcerned with the prospect of nuclear bombs in the hands of Shiites, apocalyptic Twelvers, for whom death is bliss and gain.....

    What do we do about it Anonobob? Another 800 billion dollar war with 4,500 body bags?

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  99. That's it; Bonzo's had all he can stand. later.

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  100. The Shia much less dangerous than the Sunni.

    It being the Sunni that attacked the US, under the political cover of their Saudi financiers.

    The Sunni which have attacked Bombay, with terror tactics.

    The Sunni which are the Muslim Brotherhood, which are in open revolt in Syria.

    And have a nuclear weapon capacity, today.

    Leon is a dick.

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  101. Let Israel deal with thier enemies.
    As is written.
    Show some faith :)

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  102. Well, hell, come to think of it, I think they already 'have nukes' or the fixings for them. It's just the delivery system they are working on.

    What to do about it? Don't know now. Four years ago I said bomb them.

    It relieves me no end to hear Panetta saying they won't be allowed to have any. I'm sure he means it, too.




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  103. Panetta: It would probably be about a year before they can do it. Perhaps a little less. But one proviso, Scott, is if they have a hidden facility somewhere in Iran that may be enriching fuel.

    Well, duh.

    They wouldn't do that, would they?

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  104. .

    Bobbo, bobbo, bobbo.

    You admit you have no clue as to what to do about Iran getting the bomb; yet you piss and moan about those who don't share your angst.

    It must be a Swedish thing.

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  105. Continuing the Paul bashing....

    from Bloomberg--

    In 2004, the House voted 414-1 for a resolution celebrating the 40th anniversary of the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Paul not only voted no but gave a speech arguing that the act should never have been enacted. Employers who wish to discriminate against blacks, in his view, should be free to do so. A federal government that claims the power to override their decisions, he said, could also impose racial quotas. “Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.”

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  106. 414 to 1.

    That's

    Four Hundred and Fourteen

    to

    One

    I can't get over it.

    Some of you take him seriously.


    Bwahahahahahahaughughugh

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  107. In corporate news,

    — General Mills Inc. dropped 1 percent after reporting that its quarterly profit sank 28 percent.

    ...

    — AT&T Inc. rose 1 percent after the company abandoned its bid late Monday to acquire the wireless provider T-Mobile USA.

    ...

    — Red Hat Inc. plunged 8 percent after the software company forecast revenue that was short of what analysts were expecting.

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  108. Axelrod saying GOP deliberately screwing up economy to impact Obama re-election chances.

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  109. I just saw on a video the reporter saying there was a tense calm in Cairo.

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  110. The war in Iraq is officially over. Whether it is actually over remains to be seen. All that we know is that U.S. forces have been withdrawn. There is much to be said about the future of Iraq, but it is hard to think of anything that has been left unsaid about the past years of war in Iraq, and true perspective requires the passage of time. It seemed appropriate, therefore, to hear from those at STRATFOR who fought in the war and survived.

    Staff Sgt. Kendra Vessels, U.S. Air Force
    Iraq 2003, 2005
    STRATFOR Vice President of International Projects


    Six words capture my experience during the invasion of Iraq: Russian linguist turned security forces “augmentee.” I initially volunteered for a 45-day tour of the theater — one of those unique opportunities for those in the intelligence field who don’t see much beyond their building with no windows.

    Basima
    Iraq 2003
    STRATFOR Middle East and Arabic Monitor


    In 2003, when the news in Iraq began to report that U.S. President George W. Bush would invade Iraq, Iraqis began to wonder if this would really happen — and if it would be the solution to and the end of the tyrant era in Iraq. I was sitting with my father, an old man addicted to listening to the radio instead of watching the two boring Iraqi television channels that mostly broadcast Saddam’s interviews, speeches and songs about him.

    Sgt. “Primo,” U.S. Marine Corps Task Force Tarawa
    Iraq 2003
    STRATFOR Tactical Analyst


    As the C-130 ramp dropped at Kuwait International Airport in March 2003, I was hit in the face with a wave of heat and sand. I remember thinking to myself that this was going to suck, a lot.


    War Recollections

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  111. Some of you take him seriously.


    Bwahahahahahahaughughugh




    Yes, you're definitely a Swedish meatball.

    There are only about three on the GOP side that should be taken seriously. Paul is one of them.

    As rat pointed out, none here have said he would win. However, only a nitwit wouldn't recognize that he has a fervid, in some cases, rabid following.

    If he fails to win the nomination, at some point there is a distinct possibility he will run as a third party independent. If that happens it could sink the GOP.


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  112. So, Dr Paul did not bend to the current regime of political correctness and remained loyal to the position that the GOP and Barry Goldwater held dear, in 1963 & 64.

    boobie finds such devotion to Republican principles to be unnerving.

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  113. The reality is that Ron Paul hasn’t been given nearly the shunning he deserves for his paranoid insanity or his coddling of racism throughout his entire career. Frankly, I think Ron Paul’s retirement at the end of this campaign will be the best thing to happen to the GOP in decades.

    Leon Wolf


    I could go on for hours but surely somebody gets the point?

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  114. However, only a nitwit wouldn't recognize that he has a fervid, in some cases, rabid following

    O, I recognize he has a fervid, rabid following.

    Some of it right here at this very bar.

    And, that he can sink the GOP if he goes third party.

    He is dangerously insane, alrighty.

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  115. Naw, I'll quit Sam, your jokes are better.

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  116. boobie ready to abandon the GOP should Dr Paul gain the GOP nomination.

    Same way I feel about Mr Romney.


    I won't vote for Mr Obama, but one wonders, would our boobie?

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  117. Now that it is clear that boobie supports racial quotas in hiring and believes in equality of outcome, rather than equal opportunity, as that is what the Civil Rights Act of 1964 has evolved into.

    Mr Goldwater was right, in more ways than one.

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  118. crapper, I wouldn't vote for Obama or Paul.

    I'd vote NLP, first.

    I'll be voting for someone I don't really much like, it seems. A
    Gingrich, a Romney....

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  119. Standng four square for reverse discrimination, 414 Congressmen.

    All but one,

    One alone stands for equal opportunity, instead of outcome.

    Standing four square for the requirement that the Federals approve of voting districts, to ensure the outcomes desired by those that would continue to divide US by race.

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  120. .

    Bobbo is merely blowing it out his ass again.

    He says Paul is a racist for the things he says and the people he associates with. However, he has nothing but good things to say about Michelle Bachmann.

    Michelle Bachmann who has been called upon to end the relationship with one of her biggest supportors, Tony Perkins, Family Research Council president, a guy who hangs with and is a good friend of David Duke.

    Michelle Bachmann who is anti-gay and anti-Muslim.

    Michelle Backmann who signed a pledge that basically says black kids were better off in slavery.

    Yeh, that Michelle Bachmann.

    Ron Paul may be racist but he evidently he is not Bobbo's kind of racist.

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  121. Well, I'm the luckiest one of the bunch. I have no qualms, whatsoever, about voting for Obama.

    He's done everything I wanted done (although he hasn't been quite as strong on biofuels as I would have liked.)

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  122. He got our asses out of Iraq.

    He passed Healthcare.

    He stood behind renewable energy.

    He managed us through what could have been The Great Depression II.

    And, he seems to be getting it together on Trade (if he can pull it off, his Asia/Pacific Trade Deal could be a Monster.)

    All in all, I'm quite happy with the Dear Lad.

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  123. Sanctions do not inevitably lead to war. Case in point. Cuba, which, Mr. Paul later referred to.

    I for one believe that we should have sanctions on our avowed enemies such as NorK, Iran, Cuba and Venezuela.

    All the histrionics about war with Iran reminds me of the left worried about the same thing during the height of our occupation of Iraq.

    It ain't going to happen.

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  124. Mr. Paul seems to be appealing to fear as he trawls for votes.

    Bottom fishing, so to speak.

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  125. It is hard to get past that ballsy OBL call.

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  126. Yeah, that too. The Obama Administration hasn't exactly been a Walk in the Park for Al Queda.

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  127. Bobbo didn't know all that 'bout little ol' Michele, and is not sure if he believes some of it. If it's true, I don't like it. I don't follow politics professionally like some of you. I do want a skirt to look at, it would help.


    Michelle Backmann who signed a pledge that basically says black kids were better off in slavery.


    What pledge is that, Quirk, and why would an affirmative statement be in the form of a 'pledge'?

    If she is anti-muslim, God bless her beating American heart. Anybody with any brains is. I admit to not liking a 'religion' that stones women to death, and, won't let them drive. And hides them behind some mask.

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  128. All in all, I'm quite happy with the Dear Lad.

    Dear Leader, Rufus?

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  129. Yep. sanctions and sabotage are sufficient, when it comes to Iran.

    Team Obama, doing just fine in that regard.

    We don't need another war, that's fer sur.

    Can't wait to see who the Librarians nominate.
    Voting for a Republican or Democrat, just serves to encourage 'em.

    Another option, in '12, America Elect. We'll see what shakes out.

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  130. Markets Jump in US and Europe on Positive Economic Data
    New York Times

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  131. Six in ten Americans believe Congress should raise taxes on Americans earning more than $1 million per year, according to a new CBS ...

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  132. Ah for Christ's sake Rufus!

    The Dear Lad.

    Jeeesus




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  133. I'm interested in the pledge Bachmann signed that said black kids were better off in slavery.

    Better off than what?

    You're usually not given to histrionics.

    Kindly Quirk, post the pledge.

    I'd like to see what it says.

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  134. boobie voting NLP, a party that has not fielded a candidate, in any election, since 2002.

    According to their web site.

    Guess boobie will be sitting out the 2012 election.

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  135. Michele Bachmann, the Republican presidential candidate, signed a Christian conservative pledge that stated that African American children were more likely to grow up in stable families during the era of slavery than under President Barack Obama.


    Bachmann slavery

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  136. That surely sounds as dumb as some of the things Ron Paul has said.


    One understands what she means, seeing the number of black 'families' missing a father, but it surely isn't a politic way of putting it.

    And of course, black families were subject to being broken up at any time in those terrible days.

    It might be a sentiment Dr. Paul his very self might share, come to think on it.

    eh, crapper?

    The Dr. Paul who signed off on the statement the L.A. riots only stopped when the welfare checks got mailed out--eh, crapper?

    That Dr. Paul.....

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  137. I mean, really, when there isn't anyone around worth a shit to vote for, who do you vote for?

    NLP at least has some transcendental hindu type philosophy behind it.

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  138. Could be boobie, but so what?

    Dr Pal is the second choice, the GOP having frozen New Mexico governor Gary Johnson out of the process.

    He's not nearly as quirky, nor carrying as much baggage as Dr Paul.
    The reason they froze him out, I think.

    Dr Paul right on the big things.

    Auditing the Federal Reserve.
    Bringing the troops home.
    Balancing the Federal budget by limiting the Federals to the powers authorized in the Constitution, including the limitations imposed by the 9th Amendment.

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  139. Italian study claims Turin Shroud is Christ's authentic burial robe


    Merry Christmas"

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  140. If Gary Johnson is the Librarian candidate, that is candidate to vote for.

    That is if you're a small government conservative, progressive or just a regular resident of the United States of America that favors freedom, liberty and limiting Federal power.

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  141. The Shroud of Turin is an extremely interesting object.

    It does seems they screwed up the last
    dating.

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  142. .


    Use Caution When Using Teeth to Castrate Lambs

    Science Says So

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  143. Dr Max Frei put some sticky tape on there and got some pollen grains that come only from the Jerusalem area, so he claims.

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  144. Rufus II said...

    Makes more sense than any of the rest.

    Tue Dec 20, 12:14:00 AM EST


    Referring to Dr. Paul.


    Rufus II said...

    Well, I'm the luckiest one of the bunch. I have no qualms, whatsoever, about voting for Obama.

    He's done everything I wanted done (although he hasn't been quite as strong on biofuels as I would have liked.)

    Tue Dec 20, 06:26:00 PM EST


    Referring to President Obama.

    ah Ruf.....

    Folks, if you have an extra moment, pray for Rufus II.


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  145. Why, boobie?

    rufus knows his own mind, his own priorities and those he holds of importance for the nation.

    More than we can say, of you.

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  146. Dr. Eeeeeeeeeeeevil is dead, long live Mini Me.

    Every starving household in North Korea will be watched over by a a portrait of a Korean Michael Moore.

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  147. Anonobob: It does seems they screwed up the last dating.

    It's like EuroZone referendums that fail. Just keep holding new ones until they get it right.

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  148. I was sitting at a stoplight yesterday,

    minding my own business,

    waiting on it to turn green.

    A carload of bearded, young, loud Muslims,

    shouting anti-American slogans,

    with a half- burned American Flag duct taped on the trunk of their car

    and a "Remember 9-11" slogan spray painted on the side,

    stopped next to me.

    The light changed, the Muslims praised Allah,

    shook their fists, hit the gas & darted off ahead of me.

    Suddenly an 18-wheeler came speeding

    thru the intersection

    & ran directly over their car,

    crushing it completely,

    killing everyone in the car.

    For several minutes

    I sat in my car thinking to myself,

    "Man... that could have been me!"

    So today;

    bright and early,

    I went out and got a job

    as a truck driver.

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  149. Rufus, crapper, is singing praises to both ends of an opposite spectrum.

    One is a small government guy, one is a HUGE government guy, but Ruf doesn't seem to notice the difference, today.

    By the way, crapper,

    There Is No Republican Establishment

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  150. Excellent, Sam.

    :)

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  151. I don't recall ever saying I was a "small-government" guy, Or a "Big-Government" guy.

    We invented governments for a reason. A Lot of reasons, actually. Unfortunately, it was fairly evenly divided as to what the reasons were.

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  152. W/O getting "too" inflammatory, approx 1/3 wanted the government to do more, 1/3 wanted the government to do less, and about 1/3 (I pretty much fall into this group) tend to move back and forth.

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  153. Of course, complicating factors, is the fact that many of the do less guys aren't really do less guys; they're just "do less for the other team, and more for my team" guys.

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  154. But some New Hampshire voters say they are giving Huntsman another look.

    "Why not Huntsman?" asked George Adamakos, a business development manger from Exeter, who attended Tuesday's town hall. "That's the funny thing about this state.

    We're not easily persuaded by smoke and mirrors. He seems authentic."

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  155. As he put it, “I sure hope that Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, understands that the standing ovation he got in Congress this year was not for his politics. That ovation was bought and paid for by the Israel lobby.”

    Since This Thread Hat Tipped AIPAC

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  156. Yeah, Happy Chanukah.


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  157. .



    .

    Since This Thread Hat Tipped AIPAC


    Caroline Glick Bob?

    I started reading the article up to the point she accused Friedman of channelling the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Typical Caroline Glick race-baiting. I have yet to see one of her columns where she hasn't accused someone of being anti-Semitic.

    A doubt many (if any) here doubt that Tom Friedman is a dick. His books read almost as bad as Newt's. Many of his columns are worse. However, instead of just arguing against his position she starts out with slurs meant to pump up her audiance at the JP.

    Glick is a dick, at least on a par with Friedman and perhaps surpassing him.

    Go back to reading the American Thinker Bob. You'll do less damage.

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  158. Yes, Sir, Quirk.

    May I have my daughter take me over to Wal-Mart first?

    Thanks,


    bobbo

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  159. And, say, how about giving your opinion about the Shroud of Turin.

    I thought that a promising turn away from the usual political shit here, but you just dropped it.

    At least I mentioned Max Frei.....

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  160. .

    May I have my daughter take me over to Wal-Mart first?



    You know it's too late for you to be out young man.

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  161. .

    And, say, how about giving your opinion about the Shroud of Turin.


    Don't know.

    They did some carbon dating a while back and I thought at the time that settled it as being produced around the 13th century. Since then there have beeen a number of studies put out that dispute that finding, one big one from the US and now this one from Italy.

    Those who have faith will believe while those who don't won't. I admit to being an agnostic.

    It is the atheists and the fundamentalists both who are the arrogant ones believing that they not only believe but "know" what is the TRUTH.

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  162. .

    And before you criticize me for not following up on the Shroud of
    Turin, I notice you didn't say anything about the 'not castrating sheep with your teeth' post.

    Striking a little too close to home?

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  163. I read somewhere the guys that did that original dating kinda admitted they blew it.

    Max Frei is interesting. Head of Interpol for awhile I think. Some of those pollen grains he claims come only from around Jerusalem. I had a book showed all the pollen grains. They are indeed really easy to identify, each species, or genus or whatever you call it.

    The story is maybe it went into Turkey, assuming it's real, and was in a city there for centuries, then made its way north.

    There is speculation the image formed slowly. There is a distinct change in the image of Jesus in art, from the clean shaven youth to a bearded man resembling the image.

    The idea is that the change in art reflected the recognition of the image on the Shroud, which took a long time to form, the material having to degrade first, so as to show.

    I have no idea. I would really like to see it carbon dated again.

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  164. Truth is I was afraid to read that post. I knew you were hiding some dark secrets.....


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  165. So Panetta says Iran can't have nukes. And doesn't warn Israel not to use force. And a drone goes down.

    What is the drone doing?

    Other than scoping things out for a strike?

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  166. Ruf's Hero Obama and His New Obama Jet Fuel Green Scam

    At $16 dollars a gallon, Obama is looking out for Rufus.

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  167. This latest Obama fuck-up is known as Jet Fuel Gate.

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  168. Oh boobie...

    Just because rufus comes to a decision that is not for me, does not make him wrong, nor in need of my prayers.

    Not at all.

    rufus outlines the reasons for his decisions. Which you cannot refute.

    You do not even try.

    Myself, I'm not "anti" Obama.
    He is the President and to be anti-Obama is to be anti US.

    I have advocated against his management of the Federal lands.

    I am not a fan of the individual mandates embodied in the health care program. But that was developed in Congress, not the White House. As I recall the whining about how the President allowed Congress to develop that "Plan". Maintaining a hands off management style.

    I do agree with rufus when he says ...

    ... many of the do less guys aren't really do less guys; they're just "do less for the other team, and more for my team" guys.

    Which describes you, to a "T".

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  169. You personalize politics, boobie, which is not that rational.

    As the policies of Obama are in large part the same policies pursued by Bush.
    Especially with regards Iran, Iraq and Islam in general.

    Yet you felt Bush walked with God and Obama with the Devil.

    Not a rational position.
    Not at all.

    The ObamaCare aspect I feel is the cause of complaint, the Federals imposing an "Individual Mandate". Well, that was imposed by Mr Romney on the people of Massachusetts and endorsed by Mr Newt, for the Federals to pursue, back in the day.

    So, there is no light between Mr Obama and the Republicans on that. A piece of government over reach and intrusion upon personal liberty and a violation of the 9th Amendment. As, I believe, are many current Federal programs and processes.

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  170. I had to get up and take a piss.

    crapper, you are out of your f ing mind.

    What the hell are you talking about, anyway?

    Don't answer that, you'll ramble on till next Sunday.

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  171. All Democrat Talking Points are true.

    Ron Paul is sane.

    Honest.

    Amen

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