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Friday, December 02, 2011

Ron Paul Banned for Not Following His Israeli Minders in the Republican Jewish Coalition


Republican Jewish Coalition Bars Ron Paul From Presidential Debate, Saying He's Too "misguided and extreme"

On Wednesday, Dec. 7, the Republican Jewish Coalition will host a presidential-candidates forumfeaturing Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, and Rick Santorum. Not invited is the GOP candidate currently polling around third in New Hampshire and second in Iowa: Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas). The explanation:
Paul was not invited to attend the RJC's candidates forum because the organization - as it has stated numerous times in the past - "rejects his misguided and extreme views," said [RJC Executive Director Matt] Brooks.
"He's just so far outside of the mainstream of the Republican party and this organization," Brooks said. Inviting Paul to attend would be "like inviting Barack Obama to speak."
Link via the Twitter feed of an approving Jamie Kirchick.
Brooks gave a more detailed critique of Ron Paul back in May:
"As Americans who are committed to a strong and vigorous foreign policy, we are deeply concerned about the prospective presidential campaign of Congressman Ron Paul. While Rep. Paul plans to run as a Republican, his views and past record place him far outside of the Republican mainstream. His candidacy, as we've seen in his past presidential campaigns, will appeal to a very narrow constituency in the U.S. electorate. Throughout his public service, Paul has espoused a dangerous isolationist vision for the U.S. and our role in the world. He has been a virulent and harsh critic of Israel during his tenure in Congress*. Most recently Paul gave an interview in which he voiced his objection to the recent killing of Osama Bin Laden.
Brooks added, "We certainly respect Congressman Paul's right to run, but we strongly reject his misguided and extreme views, which are not representative of the Republican Party."
Weird punctuation in the original.
So what are these "extreme views"? Over at The Huffington Post, Dovid Efune, the director of The Algemeiner Journal and Gershon Jacobson Foundation, offers an explanation:
Paul's positions on Israel have been almost uniformly derided. Whilst claiming to be non-interventionist on the issue, he has routinely adopted Arab talking points on Israel, evencomparing Gaza to 'a concentration camp.' His Isolationist mantra may appeal to fiscal conservatives, but in the real world its implementation would create a global power vacuum that would likely be filled by supporters of Israel's enemies.
Anti Defamation League National Director Abraham Foxman has a perhaps unintentionally interesting take about Paul, U.S. politics, and Israel:
with the exception of Ron Paul, there is not much difference between the parties
And no orthodoxy-definition would be complete without David Frum:
Of the 8 candidates competing for the Republican presidential nomination, 7 declared themselves intense supporters of the State of Israel, the sole exception being crank no-hoper Ron Paul.
I'm no expert on Ron Paul's Israel views, and I reserve the right to be outraged later by what I don't know now, but what I find interesting here is the namecalling-to-content ratio. Here, let's count it out:
Name-calling: 1) "misguided and extreme," 2) "so far outside of the mainstream," 3) "like...Barack Obama," 4) "will appeal to a very narrow constituency," 5) "dangerous isolationist vision," 6) "uniformly derided," 7) "claim[s] to be non-interventionist," 8) "Isolationist," 9) "differen[t]," 10) "crank."
Content: 1) "virulent and harsh critic of Israel," 2) "voiced his objection to the...killing of Osama Bin Laden," 3) "routinely adopted Arab talking points," 4) "compar[ed] Gaza to 'a concentration camp," 5) "would create a global power vacuum that would likely be filled by supporters of Israel's enemies."
Looking at the five content items, 1) is supported only by 4); 2) intentionally left out the phrase "legal method of," 3) is a general and largely contentless insult, 4) is a discrete piece of hyperbole that rubs my literalist heart the wrong way, too (though the full quote contains two qualifiers: "Palestinians are virtually in like a concentration camp"); and 5) is the Transitive Property run amok, though it does at least hint at the real-world question/critique of what, exactly, replaces hegemonic American responsibility for world affairs, and which bad actors are more likely to do badder things.
Does this, plus Paul's principled rejection of all foreign aid, his relentless espousal of the "blowback" theory of terrorism, and his negligence in allowing to appear under his name during the first Clinton administration some newsletter conspiracy theorizing about (among other things) the 1993 World Trade Center bombing being a "setup by the Israeli Mossad" enough to disqualify him for the grownups' table on foreign policy?
Well, I'm neither Republican nor Jewish nor a member of a Coalition, so the immediate event is not my call (though I do believe that dissonance is more illuminating than seven-part harmony). That said, this seems to me more of an attempt to draw boundaries around acceptable policy discourse than any active concern that President Dr. Ron Paul would be actively anti-Israel or anti-Semitic. The fact that he is a political outlier on an effectively bipartisan U.S. foreign policy that has become increasingly expensive and unpopular strikes me as a count in favor, not against. And nothing Paul said at last month's largely grotesque American Enterprise Institute foreign policy debate struck me as more objectionable than Mitt Romney's grovel that his first overseas trip as president would be to Israel.
Some other bullet-pointed observations and gratuitous commenter bait:
The New York Sun editorial board, not known for its unfriendliness toward Israel, defended Paulboth from charges of anti-Semitism and foreign policy insanity last year.
* Here's how quickly Paul's anti-interventionist rhetoric can be turned into charges of "anti-Semitic arguments," courtesy of Ben Stein. (Slightly less inflammatory accusations from David Horowitzcirca March 2007. UPDATE: And, thanks to commenter Ken E., a considerably more inflammatory accusation from the Horo show this February: "Ron Paul Is A Vicious Anti-Semite and Anti-American and Conservatives Need To Wash Their Hands of Him.")
* Some Republicans tried to bar Paul from all debates back in May 2007 on grounds that his overall foreign policy views were "just so off the wall and out of whack."
* Here's Paul himself talking to then-Reasoner David Weigel in May 2007, in response to charges of old newsletter "anti-Semitism."
Reason on Ron Paul here, including his candidate profile as part of our Presidential Dating Game.

201 comments:

  1. The fascist sensors, out in force.

    Funny thing, it's the "usual" suspects, those that are always calling for censorship of views they "feel" are wrong, or "dangerous" to their vested interests.

    Afraid of ideas, they are.

    Well, maybe they're just afraid.

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  2. Republican Conservatives, always waving the required “Friends of Israel” banner, can never quite explain why the love is not returned. Jews consistently reject the Republican party by a 70% margin. It is also the intellectually dysfunctional Republican Conservatives who attack other Republicans because the “Rinos” do not fall in lockstep with the Real Republican Guard, the alchemists for Republican purity.

    Let me see if I have this right. The Puritans drive free-thinking Republicans out of the party . The Rinos are not wanted and derided constantly by the so-called Conservatives, the right-minded holy of holies. They actually have weakened the Republican Party. They recently converted a potential Republican Senate seat in Delaware to a Democrat controlled State. The two Republicans in the US Senate from Maine are red meat for the meat heads on talk radio. This same crowd, tired of wrapping themselves in the flag have graduated to wrapping themselves with the US Constitution. They are constitutionalists and all “friends of Israel”, yet the ultimate friends of Israel, American Jews are 70% opposed to the Republican Party. You can’t make it up. My question is this what do the real friends of Israel, the vast majority of American Jews, know about the Republican Party, that the defenders of the Republican Party, “Friends of Israel” all, do not know.

    I am unadbashedly not a friend of Israel but I am in awe at the ability of the Israeli lobby to project asymetric politcal power with the Republican Party, a party that they reject election after election.

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  3. It would be like Republicans voting to implement $3 billion a year in slave reparations, only to watch blacks vote for Democrats by 10 to 1. Or Republicans voting to implement $3 billion a year to defray the costs of domestic partner benefits, only to watch gays and lesbians vote for Democrats by 4 to 1. Get a clue. You can't push a rope.

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  4. Americans are asleep; don't wake them up!!
    If, we, as Americans understood and lived by our Constitution, the greatest instrument ever given by man to man kind, most things would be different, even as we speak. Why is that many U.S. Citizens don’t openly question about our relationship with Israel considering the human rights violations and practicing Apartheid against palestinians? Make no mistake, we have no friends out there. What is the explanation? it really does not make sense when you frame the argument as you have.

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  5. Why is that many U.S. Citizens don't openly question about our relationship with Israel considering the human rights violations and practicing Apartheid against palestinians?? Those who think that Israel is apartheid haven't a clue about life in Israel. How many Muslim countries have Jews in their legislative bodies? NONE! Israel has Muslims/Arabs in its Kenesset. How many Muslim countries furnish medical aid to Jews? Probably very few, and if they do, it's at an exorbitant price. Israeli hospitals take all comers and treat them with the best care in the Middle East, if not the world. What percentage of the populations of Muslim countries are Jews? VERY few. What percentage of the population of Israel is Muslim/Arab? About 20.

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  6. God bless Ron Paul. Ron Paul is exactly right. The Jewish State is capable of both sovereignty and self-defense, and the US need not commit a single trooper or dime towards Jewish defense. Benjamin Netanyahu himself has called for the end of foreign aid to Israel. The so-called conservatives are all for sending troops all over the globe to preserve "democracy" while snuffing out the Constitution here at home. What a bunch of two-faced back stabbing finks! I'm sick of all of them!

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  7. ...I am unabashedly not a friend of Israel but I am in awe at the ability of the Israeli lobby to project asymmetric political power with the Republican Party, a party that they reject election after election.

    I want to clarify that I am not an unquestioning friend of any country. The English called Tony Blair George Bush’s poodle. That was a healthy skepticism about unquestioned loyalty. There is no healthy scepticism about Israeli politics in the US Congress. If it occurs, the race card is raized for all to see. It is bizzare.

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  8. Deuce:
    I am unadbashedly not a friend of Israel



    Words never truer spoken.

    The reason Americans supports Israel, identifies with Israel and LOVES Israel in overwhelming numbers is something you and your other Israel hating friends are not capable of understanding.

    Maybe you should take your bias and shelve it and take a trip to israel. You might learn what 100's of MILLIONs of Americans know...

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  9. Deuce said...
    ...I am unabashedly not a friend of Israel but I am in awe at the ability of the Israeli lobby to project asymmetric political power with the Republican Party, a party that they reject election after election.




    It aint the "israeli lobby"..

    It's the American PEOPLE

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  10. 100’s of millions. It’s worse than I thought.

    That really was not the thrust of the post.The question is why do American Jews overwhelmingly hate the Republican Party and why does that same masochistic party, consistently and overwhelmingly rejected by their love interest, feel that their first duty is to declare their unshakeable soviet style support to the Jewish State of Israel?

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  11. What is "Occupation" said...

    It aint the "israeli lobby"..

    It's the American PEOPLE


    ...said the moron who voted straight "D".

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  12. What a nice day this should be.

    Why DR may break his best single day of posting on this puppy.

    ...Oy, and the sockpuppets...

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  13. Deuce asked:

    "The question is why do American Jews overwhelmingly hate the Republican Party and why does that same masochistic party, consistently and overwhelmingly rejected by their love interest, feel that their first duty is to declare their unshakeable soviet style support to the Jewish State of Israel?"

    While it is really quite absurd to treat all those groups you mention as monolithic blocks I'll venture an answer anyway...

    Traditionally the Democratic party has been the supporter of Israel and it is only a recent phenomenon that the Republican party has been seen as a big supporter of Israel. I think the reason for this is three-fold. One, the rise of power of the social conservatives in the Republican party who's religious beliefs dovetail with support for Israel. Two, those who favored Bush style projection of US power tend to be Republican and Israel is on 'our' side. Three, in the grubby business of winning elections there is the realization that the 'Jewish Lobby' is very powerful and can garner votes.


    As why 'Jews' tend to vote for the Democratic party there is: One, the traditional support of that party to support Israel. Two, Jewish people tend to be well educated and professionals and that demographic group is traditional small 'l' liberal which tend to vote for the Democratic party.

    Again, though, the caveat about treating such broad groups of folk applies. Heck, the notion of what a Republican or Democrat party position is like splitting hairs and I'm bemused...appalled maybe, that so many here and in the US are such reactionary supporters of one of the two parties - like it were your local sports team that you've got to support.

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  14. Fundamentalist, "born-again" Christians. Armageddon. The Rapture. etc, etc. Ad Nauseum.

    The "base" of the Republican party is a radical, bible-thumping religious zealot that consistently votes against its own self-interest out of ignorance, and desire for religious hegemony.


    Ron Paul needs to deliver the assholes a quick kick to the nuts, and announce 3rd Party. I'd vote for him out of protest, and My Own Self-Interest (it's not good to be ruled by a "Religious Party."

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  15. Teresita said...
    What is "Occupation" said...

    It aint the "israeli lobby"..

    It's the American PEOPLE


    ...said the moron who voted straight "D".



    Dear MsT, Mr T, Teresea and other assorted ID's...

    I never said I VOTED straight D's..

    However I am Straight, Not crooked like you....

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  16. desert rat said...
    The fascist sensors

    A sensor (also called detector) is a device that measures a physical quantity and converts it into a signal which can be read by an observer or by an instrument


    Yep Jews are good at observing who the real haters are..

    Yep DR, you are one....

    Clear as day...

    If the term "anti-semite" has to go to ANYONE one at this blog?

    It's you!

    Wear it proudly when goose stepping....

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  17. Anonymous said...
    God bless Ron Paul. Ron Paul is exactly right. The Jewish State is capable of both sovereignty and self-defense, and the US need not commit a single trooper or dime towards Jewish defense.


    The real G-d will dam Ron Paul

    As for Israel, America can keep it's troops, but it could stop supporting the islamic nazis thru-out the world with weapons and cash.

    That alone would allow Israel a fighting chance.

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  18. Duece: The question is why do American Jews overwhelmingly hate the Republican Party


    Richard Nixon

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  19. Ash:
    Traditionally the Democratic party has been the supporter of Israel and it is only a recent phenomenon that the Republican party has been seen as a big supporter of Israel.

    and on and and..



    Ash, sorry but you dont have a clue...

    really...

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  20. The truth? If I judged America by some of you?

    I would hate America. But thank all that is wholesome that this bar is NOT a reflection of America, just one sick Israel hating slice of it...

    To those that HATE Israel because of ME?

    You are shallow and biased...

    do your own research.

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  21. Gingrich needs to, immediately, announce that he won't countenance censorship of a "Major" voice within the Republican Party, and that, as a result, he, also, will not participate in this Religious Pander of a "debate."

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  22. Although, in truth, I will probably have to, fairly soon, start recusing myself from such discussions. It's looking more, and more, like I'll be voting Dem this time around.

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  23. Top 3 Reasons I'll be Voting "Dem" This Year:

    1) Renewable Energy

    2) See no. 1

    3) See numbers 1, and 2

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  24. Rufus II said...
    Top 3 Reasons I'll be Voting "Dem" This Year:

    1) Renewable Energy

    2) See no. 1

    3) See numbers 1, and 2



    You missed the #1 reason, you are a nitwit.

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  25. Wow, WiO, your rebuttal of my arguments was stinging and so so precise and educational!!

    How about this from the Jerusalem Post?

    "Obama overcame this because of the profound attachment of American Jews to liberalism, which, for many, almost represents a secular religion. Historically – and particularly since the Franklin Roosevelt era – the Democratic Party has cultivated and welcomed Jews and other minority groups into its ranks, whereas the Republican Party had been inclined to snub them."

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=230799

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  26. The Fascists, NAZIs and Communists, totalitarians all, love the censor.

    Free thinkers and lovrs of liberty detest the censor.

    If Republicans allow themselves to be censored, they align themselves with the totalitarians.

    Which certainly cements my lack of support, for them.

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  27. No one cares about your support or lack thereof.

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  28. Unemployment drops to below 9.

    Private job growth continues.

    The varied governments of the US, continuing to shed jobs.

    Reagan won re-election by 18 points, suggesting that he had quite a bit of slack. An unemployment rate of 7.5 percent or even higher would presumably have been good enough to win him another term.

    Betting that the poor employment numbers will lead to Mr Obama's loss in 2012, well ...

    That amounts to betting against the United States.

    No one ever won, doing that.

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  29. You care enough, to write about me and what I think.

    That's enough, for me.

    Thank you.

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  30. You guys validate my posts.

    It's wonderful.

    Even emotionally fulfilling.

    Mentioning me, as if I mattered to you, all.

    Because, if you didn't care, well, I'd never be mentioned.

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  31. The Republican lovers of the Constitution, defenders of the faith and rights of free people everywhere will participate in a debate where a candidate for the US presidency and a member of Congress is excluded from a debate sponsored by a Republican Jewish group dedicated to the freedom of the democratic State of Israel.
    Sure.

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  32. Who will heed the call?


    BEIRUT, Lebanon - The United Nations high commissioner for human rights on Friday called for international intervention to protect Syrian civilians ...

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  33. I was, initially, skeptical (to say the least.) But, after, for the second month in a row, perusing the numbers, I've gotta say that they're legit.

    Obama, and the IEA broke the back of increasingly negative expectations when they released that 60 Million Barrels of Oil, and products, from the Strategic Reserves. Whether it was "Genius," or just "Dumb Luck" I haven't a clue.

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  34. anon telling us that to ally US with totalitarians supports liberty.

    That no one cares that it is done.
    That to mention it, meaningless, because those that support totalitarians, well, they do not care about liberty, freedom or the future of the United States.

    Good thing to know, about anon.

    Souls so timid, they have no identity, at all.

    Little wonder they are afraid ...

    Of truth ...
    Of justice ...

    Of the American Way

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  35. Deuce said...
    The Republican lovers of the Constitution, defenders of the faith and rights of free people everywhere will participate in a debate where a candidate for the US presidency and a member of Congress is excluded from a debate sponsored by a Republican Jewish group dedicated to the freedom of the democratic State of Israel.
    Sure.


    One standard for all.... Not just one standard for Jews or Israel.

    Just how many "Congressmen" have run for President that have been left of the debating stage?

    Cynthia McKinney comes to mind...

    as well as others...

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  36. The thing is, RuPaul is consistently getting 5 times more support in the polls than was Gingrich just a couple of months ago.

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  37. Sure, we are to commit capital and blood to protect freedom and democracy in Israel, implant it at a cost of $2 Trillion in Afghanistan and Iraq, and deny it to a US candidate for president.

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  38. Real Clear Politics lists the candidates, from top to bottom

    Mr Paul polls in the fourth position, out of a field of eight.

    Gingrich
    Romney
    Cain
    Paul
    Perry
    Bachmann
    Santorum
    Huntsman


    Using the Ms McKinney standard, well:
    Paul
    Perry
    Bachmann
    Santorum
    Huntsman

    Would all need to be dis-invited.

    The totalitarians always looking for equivalency, while denying the obvious, that it is being applied.

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  39. Some do not know the difference between a principle and an agenda.

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  40. If I were Ron Paul I would announce, today, that "if I'm *too extreme* for Republican Debates, I'll just have to start Strongly considering a 3rd Party run."

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  41. Mr Pau's rhetoric and positions so strong and persuasive, he cannot be allowed into the room?

    This from the vanguard of Western Civilization?

    Hysterical hypocrisy.

    :-)

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  42. I will join my Jewish friends and not vote for any Republican that gets on that forum without Ron Paul.

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  43. Little wonder then that Newt can surge, especially amongst those that would embrace such hysterical hypocrisy.

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  44. If one half (maybe, one third) of the R. Paul supporters stay home the republican candidate can't win.

    It used to be a joke that "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to Miss an Opportunity."

    Recently, that witticism is more aptly applied, elsewhere, it seems.

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  45. On Wednesday, his campaign released a 2½-minute Web ad titled "Newt Gingrich: Serial Hypocrisy," which juxtaposed media commentary and Gingrich’s own words to eviscerate the former House speaker.

    In a campaign that has seen relatively few hard-hitting attack ads, Paul’s takedown of the rising GOP front-runner was a potent reminder of Gingrich’s myriad vulnerabilities and earned Paul admiration for its effectiveness.

    “Wow Ron Paul. That is really well produced,” tweeted Erick Erickson of the influential RedState.com. “I'm impressed.” It was a reaction echoed by others who have not been Paul supporters.
    ...

    “Looking at our grass-roots activists that work really hard and door-knock and make calls, I feel pretty good about where we are,” said Paul’s Iowa vice chairman, A.J. Spiker. “There’s a consistent message, and it’s less government, and that’s what the Republican Party is all about. And I’m not sure another candidate embodies that more than Ron Paul.”

    Among longtime observers of Iowa politics, there remains considerable concern, privately expressed, that Paul might actually win the caucuses ...

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  46. “If there is a snowstorm, Paul wins,” said one state Republican insider.

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  47. Search though I may, no where was it written that Ms McKinney stood a chance of winning, a caucus or primary.

    Little matter the weather.

    Tell 9% of the GOP base to "Piss Off"

    Sounds like a winning strategy, for Mr Obama's supporters, to advocate.

    Perhaps there is a "Fifth Column" within the GOP?

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  48. Well, shit, it'd be like inviting the crapper to the debate.

    There's nothing of any substance there that could help the debate be a meaningful event.

    b

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  49. Most of us care about you crapper enough to beg you to please go bowling - permanently.


    And I'm not for starving the horses out on the range. There is a problem there, I admit.

    But it's disgusting to think of eating your friends.

    b

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  50. boobie pissing on 9% of the Republican Party.

    Telling them that their policy positions are not even worthy of discussion.

    Such a small minded idea, for a "big Tent" Party.

    Those that wish to limit the base of support for the GOP, because of that segment of the GOP's disagreement with the interventionist foreign policies the US is currently pursuing, under the auspices of Mr Obama.

    The censors so aligned with Obama's policies, that they attempt to limit the American people from even hearing dissent.

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  51. Deuce said...

    I will join my Jewish friends and not vote for any Republican that gets on that forum without Ron Paul.

    Fri Dec 02, 11:13:00 AM EST


    Now it's Deuce has totally lost his mind.

    It seems to happen to most folks here, periodically.

    He can't stand, JUST CAN'T STAND OBAMA (and with good reason) so his dislike of Jews leads him to SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE FACE.

    Smooth move.....


    b

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  52. The GOP establishment and Mr Obama's foreign policies so entwined as to be inseparable.

    With no dissent allowed, if you are to be considered "serious".

    The Federal Socialists exercising their power in the attempt to define the political debate on full display.

    It is Orwellian.

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  53. Ron Paul is not part of the Republican Party, he has advertised himself as a libertarian too many times.

    He's just hitching to the Pubs during the campaign so he can get invited to some events.

    Everyone knows the Libertarians couldn't run a Sewer District.


    b

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  54. No, boobie, it is not Deuce who is flirting with insanity

    Not at all.

    His position is consistent with what he has espoused over the past few years.

    The fellow that is flirting with political insanity, he is in your mirror.

    Truth be known.

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  55. But I admit the Republican candidates aren't much.

    A Rockefeller republican who passed Obamacare in the state he was governing, a (as Savage says) perpetual insider, a retreated whitewall tire, who has been around D.C. so long he has no tread left, what's he called -the Pilsbury Dough Boy?--a philandering black, an assortment of others.

    Oh I wish Sarah had run.

    So I'm not much impressed either. I'd take Bachmann from this field, I'd vote for her.


    b

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  56. Mr Paul is a member of Congress that caucuses with the Republicans.

    He is much more a Republican than you are, boobie.

    Mr Paul lives and breathes Republican. With Librarian tendencies.

    As do about 9% of all Republicans.

    Now you want to kick 'em out of the tent. Ensuring Mr Obama's victory. He will not even have to position himself against the Federal Reserve to do so. Instead the GOP will implode while ejecting those that are not "true believers' in maintaining the Anglo Axis Empire.

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  58. Ron Paul is so damn dumb he's for JURY NULLIFICATION.

    Which would COLLAPSE OUR LEGAL SYSTEM AND OUR DEMOCRACY TOO.

    He is an ILLITERATE IDIOT.

    No wonder he sounds wonderful to an ILLITERATE IDIOT like yourself.


    It is not surprising at all.

    You, you say

    Zionism equals Nazism

    and advocate minting three trillion dollar platinum coins.

    Jesus Christ!!



    b

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  59. It is not the candidates, as much as the principle.

    Limiting debate will lead those that support the censored to abandon the Party, but it will also alienate those that believe in "Freedom of Speech", leaving them to question the very legitimacy of the GOP.

    "Fifth Columnist" activists taking a jack hammer to the Republican base, and alienating the principled.

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  60. The Zionist have murdered over a million Jewish souls, since 1948, in a country of six million folks, today.

    The NAZI murdered 6 million Jewish souls, in all of Europe.

    There is both comparability and equivalence.

    The authority that calls the actions in Israel the "Murder of Jewish Souls", the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

    Figure he's an authority on both Jewish and Souls, murder too.

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  61. Words have meaning
    As do actions

    I tend to judge the actions, more than the rhetoric, or the feelings of those involved.

    It hurts to think that the Zionists have had such little concern for those Jewish souls.

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  62. If everyone quits looking for work, the unemployment rate will be zero.

    Don't believe government stats.

    b

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  63. .

    Ash, sorry but you dont have a clue...

    really...




    Pretty good analysis Ash.

    .

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  64. Sad too that so many in the United States and the whirled excuse and attempt to legitimatize the murder of those souls.

    Jewish or Gentile.

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  65. .

    It hurts to think that the Zionists have had such little concern for those Jewish souls.


    Bullshit rat.

    You have already admitted on this blog that you don't give a flying fuck about those Jewish souls and that you only bring it up to irritate WiO.

    But's that's entertainment.

    .

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  66. .

    It's another stupid move by the Jewish lobby. (Or maybe not.)

    If Ron Paul were to form a third party try, the Republicans would be toast in 2012.

    .

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  67. It is sad, but not that important, to me.

    The Israeli choose to murder those souls, they have every right. Even under current interpretation of US law.

    Much as I do not care much about abortion law, here, but I'm sad that we have the law we do.

    The current law well illustrates the depth of the moral mire we are slogging on through.

    Simply put, those societies that commit the mass murder of souls cannot claim moral superiority to other varied societies around the whirled.

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  68. .

    That amounts to betting against the United States.

    No one ever won, doing that.




    Rat, your platitudes are gauling.

    Please spare us.

    No one has ever won? Tell it to Ho Chi Minh.

    And if you think the terrorists haven't won, you are an idiot.

    .

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  69. And there is comparability to the 40 million souls the Chief Rabbinate of Israel would describe as murdered in the US, and the moral mire the German population found themselves wallowing about in, back in 1939.

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    The real G-d will dam Ron Paul



    You're a fucking moron WiO.


    .

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  71. .

    Simply put, those societies that commit the mass murder of souls cannot claim moral superiority to other varied societies around the whirled


    You state the obvious.

    Tell it to the hand.

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  72. Quirk is right, the pubs have a real chance to win --but only without a third party.

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  73. Ho Chi Minh bet on the people of the United States, boobie.
    And he won.

    Admiral Grant Sharp ... argued: "The reality of the 1968 Tet offensive was that Hanoi had taken a big gamble and had lost on the battlefield, but they won a solid psychological victory in the United States."
    Sharp believed that the biased reporting of the Tet offensive convinced the American public and the government that ... the only option was to withdraw from Vietnam.



    As for the government of the United States, well, the dominoes in Thailand, Philippines and Malaysia did not fall, so it "won", too.

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  74. Crapper, it was Quirk mentioned Ho Chi Minh, not me.



    Can't you even pay attention?

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  75. .

    As for the government of the United States, well, the dominoes in Thailand, Philippines and Malaysia did not fall, so it "won", too.


    My god, you are an idiot.


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  76. That was one of the primary objectives, to stop those dominoes.

    That and to extend ...

    ... the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

    We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

    Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

    This much we pledge—and more.


    And Vietnam, today

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  77. .


    Ho Chi Minh bet on the people of the United States, boobie.
    And he won.



    The workings of your mind would make an excellent subject for a doctoral thesis in clinical psychology.

    You offer up statements like this that have no point, at least within the context of the subject at hand.

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  78. And today, the Vietnamese have been betting on the US, and winning.

    Vietnam is currently our 30th largest goods trading partner with $18.6 billion in total (two ways) goods trade during 2010.

    Goods exports totaled $3.7 billion; Goods imports totaled $14.9 billion. The U.S. good trade deficit with Vietnam was $11.2 billion in 2010.

    Exports

    Vietnam was the United States' 45th largest goods export market in 2010.

    U.S. goods exports to Vietnam in 2010 were $3.7 billion, up 19.8% ($613 million) from 2009.

    The top export categories (2-digit HS) for 2010 were: Machinery ($466 million), Vehicles ($307 million), Food Waste/Animal Feed ($266 million), Iron and Steel Products ($255 million), and Cotton/Yarn/Fabric ($254 million).

    U.S. exports of agricultural products to Vietnam totaled $1.3 billion in 2010, the 15th largest U.S. Ag export market. Leading categories include: cotton ($253 million), red meats fresh/chilled/frozen ($163 million), dairy products ($158 million), and feeds and fodders ($152 million).


    That Ho Chi Minh understood the people of the United States better than did the Army Generals and Mr McNamara, an interesting aside.

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  79. No, Q, boobie mentioned Ho was betting against the US, and winning.

    The point is two-fold.
    First Ho was betting on the American people and won his bet.

    Then his political progeny bet on the US, again, to help alleviate their economic woes.

    And won, again.

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  80. .

    That was one of the primary objectives, to stop those dominoes.


    That you seem to accept the domino theory, a clear indication that your knowledge of history amounts to the last google entry you pulled up.

    Vietnam has been fighting the Chinese for more than a thousand years. From the days they fought Ghengis Khan and before. It's possible they could be counquered by the Chinese but they would never stop fighting them. It was only a few years after we bailed on our Vietnamese allies that the whole country was again fighting the Chinese just as they are doing today in the political and economic realms.

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  81. .

    Ho Chi Minh bet on the people of the United States, boobie.
    And he won.

    --------------------------

    The point is two-fold.
    First Ho was betting on the American people and won his bet.



    You talk like a friggin Jesuit.

    Trish was right, you eventually take both sides of an argument and call yourself a profit.

    Weasel words, that's all we can expect from you.

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  82. .

    Sorry, the first part of my previous post should have been this from you.


    That amounts to betting against the United States.

    No one ever won, doing that...



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  83. Quirk has it right.

    I'd put it this way - they speak Vietnamese cause they have always fought the foreigner.

    I think they'd still be fighting us today, if we were still hanging around the rice paddies.

    As it is now, someday we may again have warships in that big harbor whose name I forget.

    They might want to ally up against the Chinese.

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  84. That, and Ho was committed to Vietnamese independence well before the US entered the fray, in South Vietnam.

    He was betting that the people in the US would come to see the futility of the military campaign against his country and across Indochina.

    The Vietnamese experience did illustrate the limitations of US military power to influence grass roots politics in foreign lands.

    Lessons seemingly forgotten by the time we rolled into Iraq.

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  85. Trish was right, you eventually take both sides of an argument and call yourself a profit.

    (Prophet)

    I think Trish was the first one to notice, or at least comment on, this odd phenomenon.

    Mall time. I'm looking for a trail/cam.

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  86. Not from a long term historical perspective, Q.

    The Vietnamese bet on the US, twice.

    First that the people here would not continue an endless war.

    Then, that we would not hold a grudge.

    As the trade numbers indicate, they won on both counts.

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  87. habu mentioned it, first.

    Fluidity, with continuity.

    Like mercury

    Or, as he said ...

    ... a used car salesman.

    ;-p

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  88. Now it's Deuce has totally lost his mind.

    It seems to happen to most folks here, periodically.

    He can't stand, JUST CAN'T STAND OBAMA (and with good reason) so his dislike of Jews leads him to SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE FACE.

    Smooth move…..


    Why do people fear those who tell the truth? We have a 70% - 30% issue here. Jewish voters reject non-Jewish Republican candidates 70% of the time. At present, Republican voters reject 70% of the leading candidate for the presidency. We have one candidate Romney, who claims that Israel is our most important ally and his first trip abroad will be to Israel. Three of our lesser important alliies, The UK, Canada and Australia had over 500 troops KIA in Afghanistan. How many of our most important allies were KIA in any American war? Before you tell me the obvious about it being against Islamic countries, South Viet Nam was primarily Buddist.

    According to mailing list finder, there are 289,706 registered Jewish Republican voters. In crass political terms the Republicans are willing with $3 billion in aid, to pay $10,355 for each one of those votes. There are 55,000,000 registered Republicans in the US. I am interested in their interests, American interests, the one’s who pay the bills and fill the ranks and take the brunt of the bullshit shoveled out by our corrupt rulers and masters.

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  89. Now it's Deuce has totally lost his mind.

    It seems to happen to most folks here, periodically.

    He can't stand, JUST CAN'T STAND OBAMA (and with good reason) so his dislike of Jews leads him to SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE FACE.

    Smooth move…..


    Why do people fear those who tell the truth? We have a 70% - 30% issue here. Jewish voters reject non-Jewish Republican candidates 70% of the time. At present, Republican voters reject 70% of the leading candidate for the presidency. We have one candidate Romney, who claims that Israel is our most important ally and his first trip abroad will be to Israel. Three of our lesser important alliies, The UK, Canada and Australia had over 500 troops KIA in Afghanistan. How many of our most important allies were KIA in any American war? Before you tell me the obvious about it being against Islamic countries, South Viet Nam was primarily Buddist.

    According to mailing list finder, there are 289,706 registered Jewish Republican voters who actively participate in politics. In crass political terms the Republicans are willing with $3 billion in aid, to pay $10,355 for each one of those votes. There are 55,000,000 registered Republicans in the US. I am interested in their interests, American interests, the one’s who pay the bills and fill the ranks and take the brunt of the bullshit shoveled out by our corrupt rulers and masters.

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  90. Haiphong Harbor, too.

    In the north.

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  91. The two most important countries to the US are Mexico and Canada. Every English speaking country is more important than Israel is to American interests. If repeating a lie is your path to truth, that is your problem. I do not live in a world of fantasy and fabrication and childhood myths.

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  92. Those countries of North America, south of Mexico, are all much more important to the US than are any in Middle East.

    Save Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.

    And that is a reality of our own choosing.

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  93. The headline on this thread says it all...

    "Ron Paul Banned for Not Following His Israeli Minders in the Republican Jewish Coalition"


    Newsflash for ya toots....

    your headline is called "jew baiting"

    How about the FACT that inside the RJC AMERICANS that happen to be JEWS object to Ron Paul.

    Your calling them "israeli minders" puts you into a new class of trash.

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  94. If there were 289,706 registered Catholic Republican voters who actively participate in politics, chanting a daily barrage of nonsense about Italy or the Vatican being our most important ally, I would throw out the bullshit flag on them.

    We get all hysterical when we see Mexican flags flying at events in the US. I don’t want any flag flying in this country except US flags.

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  95. The stupidity continues:

    According to mailing list finder, there are 289,706 registered Jewish Republican voters who actively participate in politics. In crass political terms the Republicans are willing with $3 billion in aid, to pay $10,355 for each one of those votes.


    Newsflash numbnuts...

    The 3 billion in military aid? MOST GETS SPENT IN AMERICA, creating AMerican JOBS

    2nd, you still dont get it?

    American SUPPORT for Israel is Bi-Partisan.

    But you are too biased to see...

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  96. Excuse me, it is not a Knight’s of Columbus Coalition.

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  97. Quirk said...
    .

    It hurts to think that the Zionists have had such little concern for those Jewish souls.


    Bullshit rat.

    You have already admitted on this blog that you don't give a flying fuck about those Jewish souls and that you only bring it up to irritate WiO.

    But's that's entertainment.



    Rat is too stupid to KNOW that fetus (in Jewish Theology) does not HAVE A SOUL until it begins it's passage into birth.

    Please do not confuse the rodent with this fact.

    If you notice I never argue with the rat over his nonsense since the more he talks the DUMBER he looks. ANYONE with any real knowledge of Israel or Jews understands that Rat is just a nazi jew hating wannabe, we have seen his kind before.

    He is not new or unique. Just a another jew hating rodent...

    But please allow him to continue to make an ass out of himself. He has posted so much garbage on this blog it would take him months to delete it all..

    dumb inbred horse fucker that he is....

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  98. Well then let’s have a yearly lottery with the names of all fifty state, pick one, spend $3 billion and send to them that which is on their wish list, all made in America.

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  99. We send $3 Billion to Israel, and Israel has "Universal" Healthcare.

    Maybe a few U.S. States that Don't have adequate healthcare could benefit from that $3 Billion.

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  100. desert rat said...
    The Zionist have murdered over a million Jewish souls, since 1948, in a country of six million folks, today.

    The NAZI murdered 6 million Jewish souls, in all of Europe.

    There is both comparability and equivalence.


    No an abortion is not murder of a soul, it is the ending of a potential life.

    and the NAzi's MURDERED 6 million People.

    Of course you cannot or will not understand that simple fact.

    But then again?

    You MURDER actual people and claim that it was all legal since no central american government actually filed charges against you.

    I wonder just how many people are you responsible for killing, I mean actually killing...

    Someday we will read about you I am sure... SOme crazy neo-nazi cowboy in AZ killing hookers and children....


    Til then?

    You are just an attention seeking jew hating rump of a human...

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  101. The Federal Socialists support Israel.

    They support the Anglo Axis of Empire that mat speaks of.
    Of which Israel is a junior member and extension of, in the Islamic Arc.

    A land based "aircraft carrier" in the heart of Arabia, so to speak.

    Exemplified by the invasion of Egypt in 1956.

    No, support for the Israeli is mono-partisan. The Federal Socialists.

    Others, those that reject the basic premises of Federal Socialism and foreign interventionism, like Mr Paul, are to be censored and silenced.

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  102. .

    The Vietnamese bet on the US, twice.

    First that the people here would not continue an endless war.

    Then, that we would not hold a grudge.

    As the trade numbers indicate, they won on both counts.



    This illustrates the point I was making. It either points to your faulty thinking or to the fact that you don't know when to quit as pointed out by Trish's quote.

    First, you point out no one has ever won betting against the US.

    When the absurdity of that statement is pointed out, you change it to betting on the American people.

    First, it took seven years before disapproval for the Vietnam War reached 60% in the US. I suspect that while HCM's opinion may have changed by war's end, at the beginning of the war he was counting more on his own people than on the American people.

    Second, and the key point, is with your thinking process as illustrated here. As pointed out, when one track doesn't work you quickly switch to another.

    You completly change the meaning of what you had to say. In the first place, you say you cannot win betting against America implying America doesn't lose. When that doesn't work, you say your statement implies that if you bet that the American people do not have the patience for a protracted war, even if America loses, your statement is correct. It simply doesn't pass the smell test.

    The way you switch gears may be considered 'clever' by some but only a fool would call it good argumentation.

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  103. Once again, I have never claimed to have murdered any one.

    Another fabrication that Allah's PR man trots out, when all else fails.

    Truth, the Chief Rabbinate is correct, there have been a million Jewish Souls Murdered in Israel.

    Without a peep from the Zionists.

    In fact, our resident Zionist defends the process.

    Continuing the Zionist denial of the truths spoken by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

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  104. Rufus II said...
    We send $3 Billion to Israel, and Israel has "Universal" Healthcare.


    Maybe if America didnt provide Islamists with a trillion dollars a year in cash and protection and sold them as much weapons as we do, Israel would not need any assistance in defending herself...

    You love to isolate Israel and the aid that the entire world gets...

    3 billion for Israel that is the issue...

    the 4 billion to egypt? doesnt cost as much...

    the 2 carrier groups protecting the saudi oil for the china? free...

    the 110 billion a year for nato and her economies? nope that doesnt count..

    the list goes on and on...

    but somehow Jew money is the thorn in your side...

    fucking hypocrite...

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  105. It's not argument, Q.

    It really is entertainment.

    Without the hyperbole, there is little cause for comment.

    Things moving along, as they do.

    The Donald is going to moderate a GOP debate, on 27 December.

    Wonder if Mr Paul will be invited?

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  106. Nope, I'm against ALL foreign aid.

    But, not nearly as much as I'm against those that would get my kids involved in another worthless war in the mideast.

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  107. Golly PR man for Allah, we have bemoaned those grants, expenses and deployments for years.

    Even going as far as to advocate for subsidizing alternate sources of liquid fuels, to gain independence from our Islamic allies.

    But, the Federals refuse to budge on the status que.

    Sending a $2.5 billion USD for an ATV to drive around Mars, giving that priority to building 12 $300 million USD cellulosic ethanol distilleries.

    Or to providing loan guarantees, for even more, rather than direct Federal financing of the projects.

    Probably could have financed 20 or more cellulosic ethanol plants, with $2.5 billion in financial reserves.

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  108. Re: knights and PTSD

    Not only did knights need to be excellent horsemen, a full-time job of itself, but they had to be able to fight with a host weapons from horseback under diverse conditions of terrain and weather. Moreover, all this was done while encumbered with 60-80 pounds of chain and/or plate armor and a helmet little better than a cooking pot. Adding insult to injury, they and their steeds could be laid low by a common-man using an iron/steel tipped, skinny stick about 3 ft. long.

    I believe history will bear out the observation that the knights and their minders found no shortage of "noble" causes to counteract the effects of PTSD. The Church was, of course, consoling to all comers.

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  109. Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person. Just out of curiosity,

    After Hurricane Katrina an Israeli airlift arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas with an eighty-ton shipment of humanitarian aid, including baby food, diapers, water, ready-to-eat meals, clothes, tents, blankets, mattresses, stretchers, first aid kits, wheelchairs, and other medical supplies.

    Equatorial Guinea pledged $500,000.

    El Salvador offered to send troops to help keep order in New Orleans. :-)

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  110. In fact, I will, almost certainly, be voting Democratic this cycle, for the simple reason that the republicans seem to want, only, to keep buying oil from the mideast, and fighting wars/patrolling sea lanes to propagate the madness.

    I want the foreign aid/oil wars money to be spent on biofuels, grown in the U.S.

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  111. The one time I was in Europe we saw a mock up of a fully dressed Knight in the original old armor. Quite something, the man was maybe 5 feet 2 inches tall, so heavily armored nothing but a superman could even move in that, with a really nifty helmet that had bars in front of the eyes so it looked like you are peering out through a really tight jail cell, and a lance maybe twice as long as the man was high.

    Looked like a setup for total immobility to me, though with a lance I assume he was meant to be on a horse.

    If he ever fell off it's certain he would never have been able to regain his footing.....

    This was in Denmark maybe, or Sweden.

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  112. Rufus, you switch parties on nearly a daily basis.

    I swear it was only a few days ago you were going to vote for Newt (I think it was) as I remember thinking Ruf is back, again.

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  113. $2.5 billion USD sent to Mars and gone, for the foreseeable future.

    Instead of building energy infrastructure, here in the US.

    Illustrative of the "real" priorities of the government.

    The Wall Street Journl tells us:

    NASA expects to put at least 12 miles on the odometer once the rover sets down on the Martian surface.

    $2.5 billion, to drive 12 miles.

    On Mars.

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  114. Rufus: I want the foreign aid/oil wars money to be spent on biofuels, grown in the U.S.



    Cool, I am sure the extra BILLION that Obama is promising to Egypt will add to that goal....

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  115. Re: According to mailing list finder, there are 289,706 registered Jewish Republican voters. In crass political terms the Republicans are willing with $3 billion in aid, to pay $10,355 for each one of those votes.

    There might be a tad of faulty thinking involved in this statement (for instance, are these Jewish Republicans prostitutes or the equivalent...cause that is what is the only rational conclusion from your inference that they must be bought). However, more important tasks call, so I will leave off, taking comfort in the certain knowledge that resistance is futile.


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  116. NASA did put on a "Launch Party", they had 13,000 "guests".

    It is not reported if those expenditures were credited to the Mrs Rover program or another expense category.

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  117. That should be

    Mars Rover program.

    Not the Mrs Rover program, though the project may be a dog.

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  118. NASA has been turned into, under Obama, an outreach program to the muzzies. That's what he directed NASA to do, reach out to the muzzies.

    That English physicist in a wheel chair, Stephen Hawking, says if we are going to survive, long term, we are going to have to leave Phoenix, Arizona, if fact, we must leave the earth itself.

    Mars is a good first step.



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  119. Mono-partisan policy.
    It becomes ever more obvious, in retrospect.

    The Roots of Voter Anger Go Back to 1954
    By Pat Buchanan



    If government spending in America had just held pace with population growth and inflation since 1954, government spending today would total $1.3 trillion. Instead, spending this year will top $5.4 trillion.

    And while the spending has been going up, it's not as if voters have been shy about expressing their point of view. The past half-century has included the tax revolt, the Reagan Revolution, the H. Ross Perot movement and Clinton's declaration that the "Era of Big Government" was over.

    It's important to note that from 1954 to 2010, Republicans controlled the White House for 34 years and Democrats for 22. Democrats controlled Congress for 44 years, and the Republicans for 12. So this long-lasting spending spree was enabled on a completely bipartisan basis.

    All of this frustration building among ordinary citizens was finally unleashed in the fall of 2008 with passage of the Wall Street bailout measures. That became the single most hated piece of legislation in modern American history. It was supported by both parties in Washington and opposed by voters from both parties throughout the country.

    Still, while the bailouts triggered the voter outrage and have created problems for both parties in Washington, this issue was really just the tip of the iceberg.

    The frustration has been building for so long that roughly eight out of 10 Americans living today have never been alive when government spending went down.

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  120. Ah, I don't know, Bob. Newt is kinda flighty. And, kind of an asshole.

    We'll see.

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  121. Should we return to the Gingrich/Clinton tax rates, to fund the next trip?

    Or should we continue to borrow money from Charlie Chi-com, to take that next trip to Mars?

    Tell us where your priorities are.

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  122. We should send the rat on ahead, as captain of the first wave, brave explorer, precise mapper, and our foremost intrepid interstellar crapper....

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  123. desert rat said... $2.5 billion USD sent to Mars and gone, for the foreseeable future.

    Really? Gosh, if they just sent a $2.5 billion dollar coin, they could have used a smaller rover.

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  124. Rufus II said... We send $3 Billion to Israel, and Israel has "Universal" Healthcare.

    That makes sense, because Israel also has universal conscription. When I was in the Navy they had my back on health care.

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  125. Supporting the government throwing a party for 13,000 people, that sounds like a prudent use of borrowed money, to you?

    Sending money Mars of higher priority than staunching the flow of cash to the King of Bahrain?

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  126. If we were to do that, Ms T.

    If the Federals stopped borrowing money to pay the debt, then that $2.5 billion USD would have been paid for, with current revenues.

    We could end debt cycle and disrupt the Boner Bankers at the same time.

    Touts sweet, it'd be.

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  127. Yeah, Ms T, they had your back when you were young and healthy.

    Once your back goes out, the only support you can count on comes from velco strapped support belts.

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  128. DR: Truth, the Chief Rabbinate is correct, there have been a million Jewish Souls Murdered in Israel.

    That's okay, we already know what the Jewish position on the status of a fetus is.

    Mishnah Arakhin 1:4

    If a woman was condemned to be put to death they may not wait until she has given birth, but if she had already sat on the birth stool they wait until she has given birth.

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  129. Skewed priorities, you seem to espouse, boobie.

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  130. In other words, there's no Jewish soul there until the woman is having her actual birth pangs.

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  131. Unemployment rate falls to 8.6%. We might have turned a corner.

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  132. For in America, as in Europe, the economy is being dragged down by troubled debtors — in our case, mainly homeowners. And here, too, we desperately need expansionary fiscal and monetary policies to support the economy as these debtors struggle back to financial health. Yet, as in Europe, public discourse is dominated by deficit scolds and inflation obsessives.

    So the next time you hear someone claiming that if we don’t slash spending we’ll turn into Greece, your answer should be that if we do slash spending while the economy is still in a depression, we’ll turn into Europe. In fact, we’re well on our way.

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  133. Minting those coins would certainly provide both an economic and symbolic message. One that the President s willing to go the distance to provide the desperately needed ...

    .".. expansionary fiscal and monetary policies to support the economy as these debtors struggle back to financial health ..."

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  134. Why don't you call the Chief Rabbinate and instruct him in Judaism, Ms T.

    I'm sure he'll give you a "fair" hearing.

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  135. One simple unanawered question. Why do they fear Ron Paul?

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  136. desert rat said... Why don't you call the Chief Rabbinate and instruct him in Judaism, Ms T. I'm sure he'll give you a "fair" hearing.

    Flannel wearing chicks don't do so well by Religious Zealots.

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  137. You and "PR man" can both file your briefs with the Chiefs.

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  138. Inquiring minds find their way to the truth.

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  139. Guess we could call anon a ...

    Demand Sider

    Thinking that the economy is driven more by demand than by supply.

    Manufacturing and distributing cash will provide for greater demand for the things folks spend that cash on.

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  140. That added liquidity leads to greater velocity, which leads to expanded prosperity.

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  141. After three months, 50 percent of the group receiving fluoxetine showed a reduction in repetitive behaviors

    Three months can seem like an eternity, but in the crapper's case....well worth it.


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  142. i will vote for the republican in 2012, any republican, rather than vote for obama. obama is bad for the united states both economically and diplomatically.

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  143. Seems there is a surplus of manufacturing capacity, in the whirled.

    At least at current levels of consumption.

    Either society learns to manage that new reality, or we increase consumption, at least enough to absorb the full capabilities of the global supply side.

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  144. Egypt's ultra-conservative Islamist party plans to push for a stricter religious code in Egypt after claiming surprisingly strong gains in the first round of parliamentary elections.

    Islamists led by the Muslim Brotherhood and radical Salafists appear to have taken a majority of seats in the first round of Egypt's first parliamentary vote since the ousting of Hosni Mubarak.

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  145. Anon that is the binary option that the powerful have chosen to make available to you.

    Either
    Or

    When there are really four score more.

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  146. A fellow named John Avlon at the Daily Beast reports:

    —a new Insider Advantage poll shows Gingrich leading Iowa with 28 percent, followed by Ron Paul at 13 percent, followed by Romney at 12 percent.

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  147. I'm voting for the Republican candidate unless the 'republican' is Ron Paul.

    Obama should be in jail.

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  148. They fear him because every now and then he cuts through the collective crap, and says something that the American people, on a gut level, agree with.


    As a result his numbers slowly, and steadily rise.

    You can bet the "establishment" fears rupaul more than China, Iran, N. Korea, and the Plague, combined.

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  149. the PBOC is expected to announce three more reserve rate cuts in the coming months, according to BofAML.

    "The Chinese economy is slowing, facing strong headwinds from a worsening European debt crisis," Ting Lu, China economist at BofAML, said in a note. "Export growth could slow significantly from 20 percent in previous months, and falling property prices could affect aggregate demand on the margin."

    As such, policy response there will be watched perhaps just as closely as what the European Central Bank, the Fed and the International Monetary Fund try to do with the sovereign debt crisis.

    Hopes are that the Chinese authorities have created enough cushion in their inflation fight to provide some policy weapons to get growth going again.

    "The PBOC, having embarked on a tightening cycle during the past 18 months, is in a better position to start easing monetary policy, helping to couch business and consumer confidence along the way," Andrew Wilkinson, chief economic strategist at Miller Tabak in New York, told clients.

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  150. If you are a social/political/military elite the "Heartbreak of Psoriasis" would be as nothing compared to R. Paul in the White House.

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  151. It's been forty years in the wilderness, for the Librarians.
    At least for me.

    The ideology always hitched to unbecoming Presidential candidates. With Dr Paul being the best of the sorry lot.

    He being able to articulate the ideological foundation, but not a creature of popular politics and culture, like Jack Kennedy or Ronald Reagan.

    By its' very nature, Librarians do not gravitate to picking the public purse.
    They hardly ever get elected.
    The "Party" a shambles.

    But as a political movement, it's an ideology that seems it is growing in popularity.

    Even the Buchanan piece alludes to that truth.

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  152. I started to post an article the other night, but the featherbed beckoned. I wish I had. It was by the CEO of a Chinese Toy Manufacturer.

    Basically, he said, if you wanted to produce toys for export the government would loan you all you needed, AND Rebate 20% of the Sale Price back to you.

    However, if you tried to sell into the Domestic market, there was not only no rebate, but the government made it almost impossible. The red tape, hoops, regulations, etc. on all levels made such an attempt almost suicidal.

    China is a very dangerous, and bizarre place.

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  153. (2) Israel. I use that word as shorthand for "foreign policy." Paul is certainly right, in my view, that genuine American national interest, narrowly conceived, is the only justification for risking American lives and treasure. However, Paul's conception of the "national interest" is flawed in the manner of a modern man who, using a travel guide from 1912, calculates that his trip across the Atlantic will take two weeks. In other words, it may or may not be possible to return to the monetary policy of 1912, but it is certainly impossible to return to the foreign policy of 1912. Modern weaponry, modern transportation, modern global communications, and modern notions of what is possible in the way of conquest have simply rendered old-style "isolationism" obsolete. To question the viability of recent "global policeman" models of American interests is quite legitimate. However, when Paul defends a foreign policy based on removing the American military presence from every danger spot on the planet, and of trying to be friendly and nice to people for a change, rather than bossing them around, he sounds laughable. And when he cites the propaganda of those who would, if they could, kill or enslave every citizen of every free country on Earth as evidence of the negative effects of recent American policy, he sounds worse.

    Paul has repeatedly argued that Israel has plenty of military might to defend itself, if only America would get out the Middle East, where she has no business in the first place. The question he must answer is this: had the U.S. not been "in the Middle East," at least figuratively, for the past several decades, would Israel be in a position to defend itself now? Would there even be an Israel now? Perhaps Paul would indeed be prepared to answer this inquiry truthfully, and without flinching on his policy views. He should have to. (The same demand, in fact, could be made regarding Korea, Western Europe, and so on.


    Ron Paul Here

    Didn't even mention the nitwit's support of jury nullification, which is a big deal to those of us who like a civil society that works.

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  154. As for the Eurozone: There's a tremendous con going on there, also.

    Italy will run a Primary Surplus of 20% this year. Huh?

    Spain has a Lower Debt to GDP Ratio than Germany. ?

    All of the PIIGS citizens, on average, work more hours than the Germans. !


    So, now they have a "crisis." And, just as I posted a month, or so, ago, Unka Sugar gets to be the "Lender of Last Resort." tm


    I'm feeling more, and more "shroomy" all the time.

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  155. Somewhere in Rome, on the 93rd floor of some office tower, sits the only man in the world who really knows "what's going on."

    And, I have a hunch he's laughing his ass off.

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  156. Jury nullification much superior than "Misprison of Felony", or as it is more commonly referred to:

    Failure to Report

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  157. Oh yes, you certainly did admit to murder down there in Central America, you piece of shit.

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  158. The decison of 12 citizens, freely made, is better than one person remaining silent.

    Or being part of a ,,,
    Conspiracy of Silence

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  159. What a nasty cartoon the crapper is -he talks and talks about 'the federal socialists' --and what has he done with much of his life??

    Hired gun for the federal socialists in Central America.

    Says the Israelis are 'occupying' Palestine, as he sits squating on stolen land in Arizona.

    Equats Zionism with Nazism, and rambles on about trillion dollar platinum coins.

    Shit, what a fucked up mind.

    I've had enough for the day....

    Later

    Be good...


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  160. boobie objects to agents of Anglo Axis.

    Funny stuff

    blogging boobie, about one's own frame of reference.

    It is true enough
    I know the Federal Socialists.

    Have walked amongst 'em, a couple of times. Back when I believed in the rhetoric.

    The extension of our revolution, to the rest of America, paramount.

    Jack Kennedy was a "real" American, at least rhetorically.

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  161. Clean energy technology sales were about $921 billion in 2007 (€630 billion), but are expected to become about $2339 billion per year (€1600 billion) in 2020. At that volume, the sector is expected to only be behind automobiles and electronics in global sales.

    Source: Clean Technica (http://s.tt/12u2e)

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  162. As Jack said, back when I was a lad ...

    To our sister republics south of our border,
    we offer a special pledge—to convert our good words into good deeds—in a new alliance for progress—to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty.

    But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers.

    Let all our neighbors know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house.

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  163. I was young and impressionable.

    Came to believe the President was correct in his assessments.

    Still believe he was correct.

    Seems to me that we've been hobbled by a "Fifth Column", folks that do not want to see the spread of freedom. liberty and opportunity spread throughout the Americas or the whirled.

    We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution.

    Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike,

    that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

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  164. We've been hobbled with an obsession on projecting military power.

    An obsession with Occupation.

    700 plus military bases scattered across the whirled.

    2,500 Marines off to Australia, to defend the Auzzies from whom?

    There is no threat that predicates the expansion of our military footprint, abroad.

    In Australia or Poland.

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  165. Republican Jewish Coalition!?!?


    This looks to me as just another Vatican/CFR corporatist front group trying to dupe Jews and other Americans into voting for the usual Red/Blue CFR-controlled fascist imperialist political parties.

    If you have ANY sympathies for Israel and Israelis, DO NOT vote for either Republicans or Democrats. Vote for the non-establishment or anti-establishment candidate!

    US = Fascist Vatican/Roman Reich

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  166. Many Israeli's and supporters know the real history of the Israel/US has been anything but a good one. National Interest? The US constitution does not provide for national interest. It provides for the common defense of the States. This means no troops overseas, and no entangling alliances. For most of the past 60 years, it has been a dangerous time to be an ally of the United States. Many's the time we've abandoned our stated positions or battle lines in their varying forms because things suddenly got hard or alternatives became politically expedient. Israelis and the US would be better off with Ron Paul as president but we are going to have Romney or Gingrich shoved down our throats.

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  167. From Kennedy to Reagan, the course remained steady.

    "...the moral equal of our Founding Fathers."
    --Ronald Reagan, describing the Nicaraguan contras

    "I guess in a way they are counter-revolutionary and God bless them for being that. And I guess that makes them contras and so it makes me a contra, too"
    --Ronald Reagan

    Thus did Reagan declare his support for the contras ... who were attempting to overthrow the leftist Sandinista government of Nicaragua.

    Reagan hoped to sway a reluctant American public to back the contra cause as well.



    ........

    As for Nicaragua the Sandinista government is pure totalitarian and has committed genocide against the Miskito Indians. ... In a May 9, 1984 speech President Reagan described his understanding of the Nicaraguan government ...


    A lifetime's worth of Presidential rhetoric coming to the fore.
    In a call to action.

    Certainly swayed me, at the time.

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  169. The Chinese neither pose nor possess a military threat that the US Marines have the capacity to oppose.

    The deployment pure political theater.

    Better for all around if we were to gift the Auzzies the USS Nimitz, or USS Enterprise, complete with its air wing component.

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  170. There is a counter view, of course.

    Contra view on Ronald Reagan

    Printed in the UK, by the Guardian

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  171. .

    The US constitution does not provide for national interest. It provides for the common defense of the States. This means no troops overseas, and no entangling alliances.



    Lord, save us from constitutional scolars.

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  172. .

    Also from constitutional scholars.

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  173. .

    US = Fascist Vatican/Roman Reich



    It's always hard to tell whether you are off your drugs or on your drugs Mat.


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  174. .

    Seems to me that we've been hobbled by a "Fifth Column", folks that do not want to see the spread of freedom. liberty and opportunity spread throughout the Americas or the whirled.



    Just words rat? What do they mean, if anything? Or is it just more entertainment? Are you saying you agree with the neocons who say America shopuld project it's power to bring freedom and democracy to the world? Naw, it can't be that cause in another post you bemoan the wide footprint the US maintains.

    What are we supposed to do when we see injustice around the world? Shake our fist? Stamp our foot? Tell them that they are bad boys?

    Does it matter that we have our share of injustice in this country?

    Like so many other times, just words rat. Should we be a tiger or a paper tiger? Please expound.

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  175. I think, Q, that one can well advocate for the expansion of what Mr Kennedy referred to as the "original" revolution, without it growing out of the barrel of a US gun.

    I think that the US obsession with projecting large foot print military force, degrades our ability to spread the revolution.

    Small numbers of advisers, trainers and communicators can supply a tremendous "force multiplier", especially in today's higher tech combat environments.

    Just have to pick the "right" winners.

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  176. As I asked, seriously, what to do with Egypt?

    The Army represents the secular power center of the country. We subsidize that Army, $3 or $4 billion a year, I do believe.

    Should the US attempt to manage internal Egyptian politics?

    Should we ensure the Army stays in charge. or should we repudiate that Army, because of the ill treatment the Coptic Christians have received?

    If the US chooses to chart a course of contracting our force projection and involvement in foreign intrigues, I'd support that.

    Failing that, we should be using less intrusive military tactics than those used in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    We should be supporting those forces in the Islamic Arc that most appreciate it.

    Which the Egyptian military seems to do.

    But we'd be better off sending butter, than guns, in most cases.

    If we're to be involved, at all.

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  177. An armed Peace Corps, could be very effective in many locales, across the whirled stage.

    Back to the future, in many regards.

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  178. So Demi Moore is splitting up with her husband Ashton somethint because he took her open-mindedness about having a woman join them in bed to mean he could go get a woman out of Demi's bed.

    He had the eternal male dream and BLEW IT.

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  179. desert rat said... An armed Peace Corps, could be very effective in many locales, across the whirled stage.

    Armed Peace Corps.

    Is that like giving condoms to the Chastity Club?

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  180. .

    An armed Peace Corps, could be very effective in many locales, across the whirled stage.



    :)


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  181. .

    Small numbers of advisers, trainers and communicators can supply a tremendous "force multiplier", especially in today's higher tech combat environments.

    Just have to pick the "right" winners.




    Shit rat, we have been doing that since at least the 50's and your solution is, "Let's do it more effectively."

    Your faith in the minions of OZ amazes me.

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  182. .

    As I asked, seriously, what to do with Egypt?

    The Army represents the secular power center of the country. We subsidize that Army, $3 or $4 billion a year, I do believe.

    Should the US attempt to manage internal Egyptian politics?

    Should we ensure the Army stays in charge. or should we repudiate that Army, because of the ill treatment the Coptic Christians have received?

    If the US chooses to chart a course of contracting our force projection and involvement in foreign intrigues, I'd support that.

    Failing that, we should be using less intrusive military tactics than those used in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    We should be supporting those forces in the Islamic Arc that most appreciate it.

    Which the Egyptian military seems to do.

    But we'd be better off sending butter, than guns, in most cases.

    If we're to be involved, at all.




    Well, rat you've once again touched pretty much every base. In fact you have said so much you have said nothing.

    Lot's of questions there. Lot of what what ifs. Nothing of substance.

    Read the last four lines and tell me what it is you have told us we should do?

    "...in most cases."

    "If we are to be involved, at all."

    I'll pass along that wisdom to Hillary.

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  183. In most cases, if we are to be involved at all, use force multipliers backed up by an armed peace corps under the direction of a Division or two of Marines with amphi capability and not forgetting about air power and NATO force projection and let the local elections proceed with deep guidance there in the Islamic Arc and if it don't work triple tap 'em and get out.


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  184. Well, since there is no guidance as to the policy you'd prefer to pursue, in Egypt, I'd push ahead with supporting their military. Maintaining the status que, as long as possible ...
    ...
    Playing to the advancement of the democratic movement, there, while maintaining our influence through their military.

    The historic course of the Anglo Axis.

    Wouldn't want to be the fella that "Lost" Egypt.

    But in the last "small footprint" we gained regime change in Libya. After decades of trying.

    We "won" in Afghanistan with a small footprint operation.
    Then the "real" Army took over.

    A decade later, there are over 100,000 US troops, there.

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  185. As to our minions, in Oz ...

    We go forward with the minions we've got, not the minions we might wish we had.

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  186. Move the Coptics to Cyprus, I suppose.

    Haifa, perhaps.

    Only 5 to 15 million of them, in Egypt, according to wiki.

    Must not have a regularly scheduled census, there.

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  187. What, me worry?

    Pres heads to Happy City, USA


    THE WHITE HOUSE TRAVEL OFFICE

    Trip of the President

    to

    Honolulu, Hawaii

    December 17th, 2011 to January 2nd, 2012

    Trip Overview

    On Saturday, December 17th, 2011, the President will travel to Honolulu, Hawaii. He will return to Washington, DC on Monday, January 2nd, 2012. ...

    ...no public events are scheduled during the trip. ...



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  188. desert rat said...

    Move the Coptics to Cyprus, I suppose.

    Haifa, perhaps.


    Yeah, right. Christians will be welcome to live in Israel the day Saudi Arabia lets someone build a Church.

    Christians are of course quite welcome to visit Israel, so long as they leave their tourist shekels behind.

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  189. Do you mean to compare the treatment of the Christians in Israel to the treatment of the Jews in 'Christian' Europe, Miss T?

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  190. Teresita said...
    desert rat said...

    Move the Coptics to Cyprus, I suppose.

    Haifa, perhaps.

    Yeah, right. Christians will be welcome to live in Israel the day Saudi Arabia lets someone build a Church.

    Christians are of course quite welcome to visit Israel, so long as they leave their tourist shekels behind.





    I guess Ms T completes the trio of Israel haters... Speaks from no knowledge, just hatred and stupidity.

    Having just been there for 2 weeks I can assure you that ms T, Deuce and Rodent have no clue as to anything about Israel, Jews, Judaism or zionism.

    Absolutely CLUELESS..

    They take their talking points from idiots...

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