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Sunday, November 20, 2011

Uprising Again in Cairo




181 comments:

  1. "In recent weeks protesters - mostly Islamists and young activists - have been holding demonstrations against a draft constitution that they say would allow the military to retain too much power after a new civilian government is elected." BBC

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  2. The military maybe should just cancel the damned elections, and run the country themselves.

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  3. Satellite T.V., iphones, the internet, twitter.

    Old, authoritarian regimes are falling into the dustbin of history.

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  4. Clashes between Egyptian riot police and rock-hurling protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square continue Sunday. Military police, backed by armored vehicles, launched a new assault, using clouds of tear gas, rubber bullets and batons to disperse the crowd.

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    One of the protesters at the scene explained Associated Press that public anger has risen over the slow pace of reforms.

    “We joined the protest because none of goals of the revolution has been achieved and the slogans of the revolution, which are freedom, humanity and dignity, have not been fulfilled,” it quotes one of those rallying as saying.

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  5. Egyptian political activist Ahmed Salah does not expect a swift reaction by the West on the latest events in Cairo’s Tahrir Square, as he says these countries have supplied the army regime with the means of oppression.

    ­“I am not expecting a quick reaction from the West. We can see that all the ammunition used against us is either American, or Israeli, or, actually, Italian, whether it’s the tear-gas canisters or the bullets,” he told RT.

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    “I don’t know what can be the excuse for giving the armed forces and the security this type of ammunition. That’s why we have thousands of injured,” he said.

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  6. The one percent, their paid hangers-on, and the usual unpaid ass kissers who hang around the powerful, can howl all they like, but the caravan will roll on, raising the consciousness among the vast majority who have figured how the the 1% over the past decade and more have stripped wealth and power from the vast bulk of their fellow-citizens.

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  7. The death toll of today's clashes in Tahrir Square has risen to 11.

    At least four were shot dead, with the remainder dying of asphyxiation after tear gas was fired, said Dr Mohammed Fatuh, who heads a field hospital in the square.

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  8. The "Old Guard," as personified by that senile, old "Duke" that Deuce was silly enough to quote in the previous article, would rather see the young people of the world (and, his own country) marching off to War, to fight for Oil, and their privileged way of life than to see them demonstrating for Justice, and Democracy.

    Well, the "Old Monarchy" and their sycophants in Egypt, and on Wall Street are fucked. Time moves on.

    The young people of the world have decided that they would rather vote, and get their energy from Renewable sources, than sacrifice their lives in worthless wars in which they can only lose, never win.

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  9. My Son and Daughter realize it's better to pay, perhaps, a few pennies/day more for Renewable energy Now (and, pay virtually Nothing, later) than to spend $ Hundreds of Billions Fighting Wars for Oil, and, later of course, coal, and/or Natural Gas.

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  10. It's the 21st Century.

    Time to quit living in the past.

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  11. I remember seeing some chick at the outset of the Iraq war carrying a sign that said 'War is so 20th century'.

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  12. My God, it's heartbreaking to think how cheap energy would be if we'd just taken that $ One Trillion that we wasted in Iraq, and put it toward Wind/Solar, and Biofuels.

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  13. To think how much better our lives would be.

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  14. but the caravan will roll on

    The caravan will move on CU+ but the evidence from the past and present, not to mention timeless India, is that very little consciousness is going 'get raised'. The penultimate cause of the creation of the world being for the benefit of those few in each generation who are ripe for liberation. If you want the ultimate cause, you'll have to ask the great momma herself, and she ain't talkin', just playin' till you are ready. Just take the word of your betters for it. Consciousness doesn't get raised in an economic protest cause it's not about that at all.

    Vote Natural Law Party with Quirk and I.


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  15. Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, who is not on the deficit committee but is a spokesman of sorts for the Tea Party groups that have pushed the government to curtail the deficit — said he was not too worried about the impact the spending reductions would have on the Pentagon, as its overall budget would still increase, just not as much as expected.

    Increasing taxes is not the answer, as most wealthy people already pay more than their fair share, he said.

    “The vast majority of millionaires and billionaires are paying all of the taxes,” he said on CNN. “That’s who pays the income tax.”

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  16. Rand Paul is an ignorant dick, and a sockpuppet of the Monarchists, and Banksters of the world.

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  17. “We looked pretty carefully in 2004, and we found no evidence they had the capability to produce a chemical artillery round,” said Donald A. Mahley, a retired Army colonel and deputy assistant secretary of state for threat reduction who headed the U.S. effort to close Libya’s weapons-of-mass-destruction programs. Perfecting the design of accurate, liquid-filled artillery shells is considered much more difficult than the manufacture of sulfur mustard itself.

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    Libya claimed in 2004 that it moved all of its mustard agent — so named because of impurities that make it smell like the mustard plant — from storage sites in suburbs of the capital to Rughawa, a remote desert village 250 miles south of Tripoli. About 10 tons of mustard is stored in a half-dozen or so large canisters there, amounting to roughly half of the arsenal that Gaddafi declared.

    Although an Italian-made neutralization plant there was inactive during the armed clashes this year, a German military plane flew international inspectors to the site late last month. They verified that nothing was missing, according to diplomatic sources.

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  18. The former insurance executive has gone red...

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  19. Or, perhaps, come to his senses.

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  20. The Republican Party is doing unquantifiable harm to this country in their fight against Domestic Renewable Energy. I'm deeply ashamed to have ever called myself such a name.

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  21. And, yes, I consider the Democrat politicians "equally despicable." They just happen to be on the right side of a couple of important issues right now.

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  22. Rufus the Red.....

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  23. The President, a Democrat, has delayed a decision on the Keystone Exxon pipeline until after the "2012 election." This project would create 20K jobs. Instead, the administration pumped a fortune into the phantom green jobs of Solyndra.

    Remember, Obama's goal is to wean America from carbon. The people can eat cake.

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  24. Well, we have new "coalition of the anonymii" forming.

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  25. No lard ass here --

    Fake Doc Injected Cement In Woman's Rear

    That would really weigh a person down.


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  26. I explained this little subterfuge in a previous thread. A Deal between Harper, and Obama was reached.

    The Main bottleneck, right now, is from Cushing to the Gulf. Conoco has be "encouraged" to sell their stake in the Seaway Pipeline, thus allowing Enbridge to "Reverse the Flow" of said pipeline, which will do away with the glut at Cushing. This is being done "Right Now."

    Also, the Transcanada pipeline will be "rerouted" approx 40 extra miles, and go around the most vulnerable area of the "Sandhills/Ogallala Aquifer. (This being done in cooperation with the Government of Nebraska.)

    So, while the "enviros" are getting their 6 weeks of review, or whatever, the nuts are being turned to do exactly what Canada, and the Oil Refiners want.

    Some of you people are soooo naive.

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  27. cement, mineral oil and flat-tire sealant


    Jesus


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  28. BTW, the "environuts," and the "State of Nebraska" had a Very Strong Point, here. The Ogallala Aquifer is Very shallow in the Sandhills.

    In fact, the Aquifer comes within a mere Couple of Inches of the Surface in some of the area that the pipeline was going to cross.

    That really was an extremely bad place for a pipeline.

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  29. The Main Solar Energy Subsidy goes away at the end of this year.

    However, Solar will continue to be the fastest growing industry in the United States.

    Why? Because Costs are falling like a rock, and it is already the Cheapest way to produce "Peaking" Power in vast areas of the U.S. (most especially, the Southwest.)

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  30. Midnight truckers radio out of Texas told me last night Red Rufus that the aquifer is crossed by fuel pipe lines literally dozens of times already.


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  31. Bob, just fucking google Ogallala Aquifer, and Nebraska Sandhills.

    The Ogallala goes from, basically, the Canadian Border all the way into Texas. Of course, it's criss-crossed with hundreds of pipelines.

    The point is: At places (most places) it is very deep. At ONE place, The Sandhills of Nebraska, it is Very, Very Shallow.

    At That location is sits, basically, right at the Surface.

    There are areas of the Ogallala that are protected by a Rock Cap. You could pour millions of gallons of oil/day onto the ground at those locations, and Never, ever would a drop find its way to the Ogallala.

    In the Sandhills it would be almost instantaneous.

    Who in the fuck would get their opinions from the CB Radio?

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  32. Hell, you might as well turn on CNBC and get your "news" from Boone Pickens.

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  33. This isn't CB radio Rufus but the world famous Midnight Radio Network.

    But, again, you might well be right, if fact, this time, you sound like you know what you are talking about.

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  34. The headquarters of the Syrian ruling party in Damascus has been shelled with rocket propelled grenades on Sunday, with the armed branch of the opposition claiming responsibility. The violence erupted hours after the Arab League ultimatum expired.

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    “The attack was just before dawn and the building was mostly empty. It seems to have been intended as a message to the regime,” confirmed a witness, as cited by Reuters.

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    The attack came hours after the deadline for Bashar al-Assad to put an end to the violence and accept the Arab League’s peace plan expired at 2200 GMT on Saturday.

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  35. There's a reason why they're on at "midnight," Bob.

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  36. Premier Wen Jiabao pledged to U.S. President Barack Obama that China will increase the flexibility of fluctuations in its currency, the official China Central Television reported.

    China will push forward yuan reform in an active, gradual and controllable manner, the television station cited Wen as telling Obama Nov. 19 in Bali, Indonesia. China is closely monitoring changes in the yuan’s exchange rate, the report said.


    Wen Pledges Yuan Reform

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  37. The charges accuse him of conspiracy going back at least to October 2010, and include first-degree criminal possession of a weapon as a crime of terrorism, and soliciting support for a terrorist act. He was to be arraigned later Sunday.

    “This is just another example of New York City because we are an iconic city ... this is a city that people would want to take away our freedoms gravitate to and focus on,” Bloomberg said.

    The New York Police Department’s Intelligence Division was involved in the arrest. Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said Pimentel spent most of his years in Manhattan and lived about five years in Schenectady.

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  38. Four Policemen Hurt In London Knife Attack

    "Again, we have seen the dedication, professionalism and courage of police officers protecting the public and our communities…
    ___Police Federation of England and Wales vice-chairman Simon Reed

    …nuts…

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  39. As Obama’s presidency nears its end, assessments of his reforms are beginning to appear. But editor of The Nation Katrina Vanden Heuvel says that the most significant changes are coming not from the man on top, but from movements at the bottom.

    ­“One man, one woman, even a president cannot change the political system in one, two, three years,” she said. “Our system is so complicated and corrupted by money, by establishment power, that it takes movements from below allied with politicians of conviction inside.”

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    “All of these movements have brought about the transformational change that President Obama spoke of,” she said. “But you cannot expect one man, one woman, one leader to do without the support.”

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  40. Now that Obama's "Crown" Achievement goes to the Supreme Court, I wonder how, in retrospect, he feels about the scolding he gave them at the SOU address last year?

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  41. Change of government in Spain - socialists kicked out.

    Things go this, then they go that way.

    No subways blown up by the terrorists this election cycle though.


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  42. The real question, rufus, how do the members of the Supremes "feel" about it.

    We'll soon know if Newt's and Mitt's idea of State imposed mandate upon citizens plays fast and loose with the Constitution, or not.

    Seems to violate both the Ninth and Tenth Amendment, but nothing ever seems to supersede the supremacy of the "Commerce Clause".

    That Constitutional "catch all".

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  43. The "Government" does not change, boobie, just the names on the desks do.

    As happened in Egypt, which was evident from the get go, there.

    Only now do the rubes in the streets realize that they've been played.

    It's to late, and there will be blood in the streets before the Army gives up its authority.
    With or without "elections".

    The US won, in Egypt.
    Up until now, anyway.

    But then I still wouldn't suggest betting against US.

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  44. The Blue Bus Is Calling Us

    I have learned over the last week that MF Global is almost certainly the mere tip of the iceberg. There is massive industry-wide exposure to European sovereign junk debt. While other firms may not be as heavily leveraged as Corzine had MFG leveraged, and it is now thought that MFG’s leverage may have been in excess of 100:1, they are still suicidally leveraged and will likely stand massive, unmeetable collateral calls in the coming days and weeks as Europe inevitably collapses. I now suspect that the reason the Chicago Mercantile Exchange did not immediately step in to backstop the MFG implosion was because they knew and know that if they backstopped MFG, they would then be expected to backstop all of the other firms in the system when the failures began to cascade – and there simply isn’t that much money in the entire system. In short, the problem is a SYSTEMIC problem, not merely isolated to one firm.
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    http://market-ticker.org/post=197702
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    Things unfold slowly until they don't. We are coming to the part where they don't.

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  45. That fella from Idaho, the one that is charged with attempting to assassinate Mr Obama, a life long resident, there, has a son, named Israel.

    Figure that is what this "new and reborn" Christ would name his son.

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  46. The crapper is back.


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  47. The "time has come" to deal with Iran, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Sunday, refusing to rule out military action to curb the Islamic republic's nuclear ambitions.

    Barak, speaking on CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS program, indicated that Israel's patience was wearing thin -- and provided an ominous response when asked about the growing speculation of an Israeli military strike.

    "I don't think that that is a subject for public discussion," he said. "But I can tell you that the IAEA report has a sobering impact on many in the world, leaders as well as the publics, and people understand that the time has come."

    The International Atomic Energy Agency published a report on November 8 saying there was "credible" information that Iran was carrying out "activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device."

    On Friday the IAEA's board passed a resolution condemning Iran's nuclear activities, but stopped short of reporting Tehran to the United Nations and issuing no deadline for compliance.

    "People understand now that Iran is determined to reach nuclear weapons," said Barak. There is "no other possible or conceivable explanation for what they have been actually doing. And that should be stopped."

    The IAEA report -- based on "broadly, credible" intelligence, its own information and some input from Iran itself -- said that Iran had examined how to fit out a Shahab 3 missile, with a range capable of reaching Israel, with a nuclear warhead.

    Tehran rejected the report "baseless," denies it is seeking nuclear weapons and maintains its nuclear activities are for civilian energy purposes.

    Washington, Paris and London however jumped on the report as justification to increase pressure on Iran, already under four rounds of Security Council sanctions and additional US and European Union restrictions.



    Fit out a missile with a nuclear warhead, sounds as if they already got the fixings for a bomb and know how to make it but are just working on a delivery system.


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  48. The South China Sea may hold 213 billion barrels of oil, or 80 percent of Saudi Arabia’s reserves, according to Chinese studies cited in 2008 by the U.S. Energy Information Agency. The world’s second-largest economy claims “indisputable sovereignty” over most of the sea, including blocks off Vietnam that Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) and Russia’s Gazprom OAO (GAZP) are exploring.

    Disputes have strained China’s ties with its neighbors and tensions rose this year as Vietnam said oil survey boats were harassed by Chinese vessels. The friction threatens maritime security in one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes and may be discussed at a two-day summit of Asia-Pacific leaders hosted by U.S. President Barack Obama in Honolulu starting tomorrow.

    “China is the elephant in the room at the moment, so like it or not, you cannot ignore it,” said Lin Boqiang, director of the independent China Center for Energy Economics Research at Xiamen University in Fujian province. “Countries at the rim of the South China Sea are under pressure to find a practical way to deal with its presence -- not to anger or challenge it.”

    The sea lies south of mainland China at the western extreme of the Pacific Ocean, and while it borders several nations China claims a huge expanse. That’s based largely on a historical map that predates the founding of the People’s Republic in 1949. There are hundreds of islands, many disputed.

    China-Vietnam Clash

    Chinese and Vietnamese military forces clashed in the Paracel Islands in 1974 and the Spratly Islands in 1988. The region, marked by China’s “nine-dotted line” to delineate its territorial claims, extends hundreds of miles south from its Hainan Island to equatorial waters off the coast of Borneo, and overlaps with areas claimed by Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan.

    The Philippines will propose a new initiative . . . .



    It's still the name of the game

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  49. Where is the indignation from President Obama?

    President Obama said, ""I want to be very clear in calling upon the Egyptian authorities to refrain from any violence against peaceful protesters. The people of Egypt have rights that are universal. That includes the right to peaceful assembly and association, the right to free speech, and the ability to determine their own destiny. These are human rights. And the United States will stand up for them everywhere."

    The police have become so militarized and maybe 'empowered' by the Homeland Security bait and switch that they act with impunity, inflicting violence on peaceful protesters everywhere.

    California, like the rest of the country, has trained police to fight the war on terror, and now they are treating our kids as terrorists.

    Both the police and the Chancellor have essentially "fouled out" of their positions of responsibility by their actions. If they don't have the integrity to resign, they should be fired.

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  50. blogger Teresita said...

    The Confederates proclaimed themselves aliens, and thereby renounced all the protections the Constitution of the United States. The CSA became no different from any other foreign entity who attacked a military installation of the United States, from Pearl Harbor in 1941 to the Pentagon in 2001

    Your comment is devoid of facts. As a Southerner, it has been drilled down our collective throats for the last century that slavery was the reason. While a disgraceful practice, it was not just a Southern one, as slavery was also in the North at the start of the War. Much of the start of the War dealt with overtaxation and a lack of freedom for Southern ports to do their own trading with Europe without first going through Northern ports. Another little forgotten part of all this was that prior to the War, secession was legal under the constitution, made so in an effort to get some of the original colonies to sign in the first place. Lincoln rightfully did not want the Union divided, and once in office, had the Congress declare it illegal, but at the time South Carolina left, it was legal for her to do so.

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  51. The "time has come" to deal with Iran, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Sunday, refusing to rule out military action to curb the Islamic republic's nuclear ambitions.

    Barak, speaking on CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS program, indicated that Israel's patience was wearing thin -- and provided an ominous response when asked about the growing speculation of an Israeli military strike.

    "I don't think that that is a subject for public discussion," he said. "But I can tell you that the IAEA report has a sobering impact on many in the world, leaders as well as the publics, and people understand that the time has come."

    The International Atomic Energy Agency published a report on November 8 saying there was "credible" information that Iran was carrying out "activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device."

    On Friday the IAEA's board passed a resolution condemning Iran's nuclear activities, but stopped short of reporting Tehran to the United Nations and issuing no deadline for compliance.

    "People understand now that Iran is determined to reach nuclear weapons," said Barak. There is "no other possible or conceivable explanation for what they have been actually doing. And that should be stopped."

    The IAEA report -- based on "broadly, credible" intelligence, its own information and some input from Iran itself -- said that Iran had examined how to fit out a Shahab 3 missile, with a range capable of reaching Israel, with a nuclear warhead.

    Tehran rejected the report "baseless," denies it is seeking nuclear weapons and maintains its nuclear activities are for civilian energy purposes.

    Washington, Paris and London however jumped on the report as justification to increase pressure on Iran, already under four rounds of Security Council sanctions and additional US and European Union restrictions.



    Sounds like they have he fixings for a bomb but are just trying to perfect a delivery system.


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  52. Just looking at the news…what can I say here, well, I hope I am wrong but everywhere I look, this is spoling to be one ugly day.

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  53. Well, I sure as hell can't get drunk. I got my quota of that in the other night. :)

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  54. First boobie denies the assassin was "Really" from Idaho.

    Now he wants to deny both the assassin's faith and his child, Israel.

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  55. Don't you imagine that if that fruitcake saw was what was on top of the White House he'd mess his pants?

    Remember how "Candidate" Obama was going to put Solar Panels on the roof of the White House?

    Can't you just imagine the head of the Security Detail taking "President" Obama up there, and asking, "now, where do you think we ought to put those things, Mr. President?"

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  56. "Maybe in this 5' space between the 2 Patriot 3 Batteries, and the Gatling Guns?"

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  57. Or, maybe in this 3' space between the automated anti-radar, and RPG defense system, and the X-Band Radar?

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  58. Wow...

    I go away for days and days...

    same idiots saying the same drivel...

    Way to go Rat boy... You are still the paranoid Jew hating piece of shit I remember!

    Here is a suggestion?

    Close the blog down...

    It's a waste of time...

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  59. Or, better yet, why don't you just "stay gone?"

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  60. No one even mentioned Judaism, and "PR man for Allah" finds a way to bring it into the conversation.

    Not amazing, not even eye opening.

    A one note symphony.

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  61. Well, "PR man for Allah", which part of the reality that is the life of the miscreant charged with attempted assassination of the President do you deny.

    That he is so Christian he believes that he embodies the "Second Coming"?

    Or do you deny that his son is named Israel?

    Or do you deny that there is significance in naming his son Israel?

    Or do you deny that he believes that the President is the Anti-Christ?

    Believing in the "Anti-Christ", well, that is a very Christian thing to do.

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  62. I'm so excited about this trainwreck that I'm going back to bed. later.

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  63. Or does "PR man for Allah" advocate that there should be a conspiracy of silence with regards the life of the assassin?

    Or just the word "Israel"?

    Those that always search for the religious motivations of others, now demand silence on the subject.

    Especially when the insanity of religiously motivated seems to be so close to their own.

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  64. What I find surprising is that after the US supported employing violence against anti-government forces in Bahrain, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq that anyone would be shocked by the violent political actions committed by elements of the police, here in the United States.

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  65. That the policeman that sprayed those seated demonstrators was put on paid leave, not arrested, tells the real tale of the systematic corruption within the government.

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  66. That 'cop' pepper spraying the kids - a few questions/notes.

    I read/heard the cop was actually just a campus police dude. Is that true? Pretty hard core duty for a campus policeman if true.

    How would you propose the cops get the protestors to leave, to break that 'non-violent' human chain they've formed? Like, physically, how do you get them to disperse when they've sat on the ground and linked arms an refused to move?

    I'm not saying I support the cop but, here in Toronto, the cops may have a similar situation to deal with. The local Occupy folk have been camped out in a local park for 5 weeks now. The neighbors have complained and the City delivered eviction notices which the protestors challenged in court (arguing their Charter right to free expression and assembly). The judge just ruled this morning that the eviction order will stand and that the protestors don't have Charter rights trumping the rights of others to stay in the park overnight. The police are getting ready to move them out and the protestors are vowing to stay, peacefully, using that tactic (among others) of sitting and locking arms. How do you propose the cops clear them out?

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  67. Well, ash, you take two policeman to the protestor at either end of the chain of eleven, remove them from the chain and then handcuff them.

    Police spend hours training at handcuffing procedures.

    Then another pair, or the same two officers, arrest the next protestor in the chain.

    The proper procedure is not to use chemical weapons on non-violent protestors.

    They were campus cops. The University a "town", in its own right.

    In 2010, the United States Census Bureau made UC Davis its own separate census-designated place for statistical purposes. Most of the campus lies outside the Davis city limit. However, mail to the campus is still addressed, "Davis, CA".

    The 2010 United States Census[21] reported that University of California Davis had a population of 5,786. The population density was 3,966.8 people per square mile (1,531.6/km²).

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  68. How do you remove them, like logistically? Do you use force or say please? Do you take your baton and wedge it in and use it as a lever possibly breaking the arm? Or do you say to them all, look if you don't break apart we will pepper spray you?

    Campus cops playing storm troopers - how American.

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  69. UC Davis Police Department officers are duly sworn peace officers under Section 830.2 of the California Penal Code.

    The department's 48 officers are armed and have the same authority under the law as municipal police officers.

    UC Davis police officers patrol the Davis campus and UCDHS 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They enforce applicable local, state, and federal laws; arrest violators; investigate and suppress crime; investigate traffic and bicycle accidents; and provide a full range of police-related services, including immediate response to all medical and fire emergencies. The communication center operates 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and can receive calls from TDD machines.

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  70. I wasn't saying anything about the fellow from Idaho, I was just bemoaning the fact the name caller from Arizona was back in business.

    That's all it was, ratcrapper.I certainly have no sympathy with some insane man from south Idaho.




    Well thought out, Ash, it's not such a simple proposal as some others here might think.

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  71. Here, our campus cops are our city cops. The university has a contract 'renting' the city cops for the campus.

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  72. 35 returned to allah in Cairo clashes.

    There's 35 won't be tormenting the Copts.

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  73. Campus cops acting with the authority of City cops tasked to do riot/crowd control. That is a recipe for bad outcomes.

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  74. If the protestor, ash, resists arrest, then they could be injured during their resistance. But I witnessed no resistance in any of the videos, nor any attempt to arrest the protestors.

    In fact I can find no reports that those protestors were arrested, just assaulted.

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  75. You certainly did tell us that because the suspect in the assassination attempt had a "Mexican" name, he was not "really" from Idaho.

    When he was both born and raised, there. As much a native Idahoan as boobie the alfalfa farmer.

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  76. I think I said he had a Spanish sounding name but looked white, his old man had a Mexican restaurant.

    You don't know any more than I, crapper, when and how this family came to Idaho.

    South Idaho, Mexican name, Mexican restaurant - not that it makes any difference but I bet they didn't come from Sweden through Ellis Island.

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  77. I sure do know more than you do, boobie.

    I read an interview with his sister, and she described their life, in Idaho.

    How all the children in the neighborhood would come to their family home, to play video games and on the trampoline in the back yard.

    Bred, born then raised in Idaho Falls, Idaho.

    Just read up on it a little more, boobie, you'll find the truth.

    It's out there.

    He's as Idahoan as you.

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  78. Immigrants from Mexico certainly more "American" than immigrants from Sweden.

    Mexico being a vital part of continental America.

    Sweden, not so much, actually, not at all.

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  79. You don't know anything about the parents or the grandparents, crapper.

    You don't know if they were wetbacks, or came up legally through the immigration office there is occupied Phoenix.

    Occupied Phoenix, stolen from the Natives.

    Your home.

    Really how can you look at yourself in mirror in the morning, knowing as you must how unjust your situation is?


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  80. Ah god crapper, you're a riot each morning.

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  81. Far as I can see, the only one who's made a little sense here this morning is, unlikely as it may be, is Ash.

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  82. The natives, here in AZ, boobie, they have what they have. River front property and a whole lot of nothin'

    Depends upon where one looks, which "natives" we're viewing. My own titles to property guaranteed by the State of Arizona.
    Until they're not.


    Where the forebears of the assassination suspect came from, boobie, of no importance.

    He stands alone, in his citizenship. Not dependent upon his ancestral heritage.

    That's the American Way.

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  83. We can agree his assassination attempt wasn't well thought out, shooting wildly at an empty building.

    He probably ought to be found not guilty by reason of insanity.

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  84. Was Sarah our only hope?


    Down with the Ship
    November 21, 2011 6:34 A.M.
    By Michael Walsh

    Back from the SS National Review’s tour of the eastern Caribbean to find the WaPo’s Chris Cillizza making the same point I made on board ship to cruisers and fellow speakers alike: You may think Obama is eminently beatable, but unlike Mitt Romney, he has a solid base that is a dead-certain lock to be there for him next year:

    Everyone knows that President Obama has a problem with his political base heading into 2012. Except that he doesn’t.

    . . . an examination of the polling data among key subgroups that constitute Obama’s base makes clear that he has as much support from them as any modern president seeking a second term.

    “There is one immutable fact about President Obama’s reelection chances: Nobody has a more solid 44 percent base than he does,” Democratic pollster Peter Hart wrote in a not-entirely-uncritical memo assessing the state of political affairs a year out from the election.

    Meanwhile, “electable” Romney stays moored at around a quarter of the GOP primary electorate, and as a “frontrunner” has been happily chucked overboard for every not-Romney flavor of the month, including Bachmann, Perry, Cain, and now Mr. Newt. Head-to-head with Romney next year, Obama will sink him handily.

    Obama starts with a rock-solid 43 to 44 percent of the vote and that the focus of the next 11 months is almost certain to be on improving his numbers among independents in states such as Colorado, Florida and Wisconsin.

    “Is the president’s base upset? You bet, but they aren’t upset at Obama,” said Cornell Belcher, who conducts polling for the Democratic National Committee. “They are in fact sympathetic to what Obama is trying to do and what he is going through.”

    And Hart wrote in his year-out memo: “His base will be invaluable, and this has been underestimated. It should not be.”

    Meanwhile, Say-Anything Mitt has no home port and is unlikely find one beyond the generic anti-Obama vote. Which, alas, will not be big enough or motivated enough to evict Cap’n Barry from the White House bridge as he madly steers the ship of state into the iceberg. Indeed, the campaign will begin and end with this photograph.

    Sorry, but that’s the truth. Say what you will about Sarah Palin, but she would have brought a super-energized base of productive taxpaying citizens with her that might have competed favorably with the Obamabots. But she broke their hearts — and damaged herself — by teasing and then not running, leaving the GOP bereft of a candidate who could match BHO II’s charisma.

    What can be done at this late date, I have no idea. And neither do the Republicans.



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  85. .

    Another nitwit.

    He'd take a 25% base against a 44% base and consider himself in the cat-bird seat.

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  86. If Obama has a rock solid 44% base how come he's only 40% in so many polls. Ohio, Florida?

    Political neophyte asks.....


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  87. Because, in other States, IL, CA, NY, boob, he scores above 50%

    In State by State polling he is weak in some of the "Swing" States.

    Ohio, Florida, New Mexico ...

    A lot of the GOP base in those States are quite, shall we say, evangelical ...

    Mitt, the religious cultist, could have a hard time drumming up support and turnout from the 75% of the GOP that does not support him, now.

    Turnout is King, in close elections. Mitt will have a hard time driving turnout. Barack, not.

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  88. Classic schizophrenic behavior, from the would be assassin and the born again Christ amongst us, boobie.

    Crazier than a loon.

    Exemplified by doing a "Drive by Shooting" targeting the White House.

    The question, is the insanity either a cause or an effect of his religious beliefs?

    Does believing that you are the returning savior of mankind, is that the definition of insanity?

    Or even that anyone could return from the dead, to then lead an Army of the Righteousness against evil incarnate.

    Is that crazy, or what?

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  89. Basketball Jones, she got a Basketball Jones
    Got a Basketball Jones, oh baby, oo-oo-ooo

    Yes, she is the victim of a Basketball Jones
    Ever since she was a little baby, she always be dribblin'
    In fac', she was de baddest dribbler in the whole neighborhood

    Oh, that sounds so sweet
    Sing it out
    C'mon Coach Booty, Red Blazer, sing along with me
    That be bad, honky
    Yeah
    I want everybody in the whole stadium to stand up and sing with us

    Oh yeah, sing it out like you're proud
    All right, everybody watchin' coast-to-coast, sing along with us
    Bill Russell, sing along with us
    Chick Hearn, sing along with us
    Chris Schenkel, don't sing nothin'

    Oh, it feels so good
    Give her the ball
    She'll go one-on-one against the world, left-handed
    She could stuff it from center court with her toes
    She could jump on top of the backboard, take off a quarter, leave fifteen cents change.
    She could, she could dribble behind her back.
    She got more moves than Ex-Lax.
    She be bad;
    She could dribble with her tongue. Here she go down court, try to stop her
    You can't stop her, 'cause she's
    got a Basketball Jones.

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  90. Mitt, the religious cultist



    Why do you call the Mormons a cult? And not the 'regular Christians'?

    One is no more a cult than the other.

    I like the Mormons.

    "As man is, God was. As God is, man may become."

    Just mind you p's and q's crapper and you too can become a God and go bout creating worlds and being the 'big cheese'.

    Being 'a part of the body of Christ' is small potatoes compared to this.

    A friend of mine recently became a Mormon, made bishop too according to his ex, to whom I was speaking.

    I may get hold of him. See of he can fix me up with a 'position'.

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  91. Here’s the thing about all your faux confidence in deterrence against iran. The world is unable to deter them now so what in the hell makes you Martian heads think they will be deterrable when they have nukes?? Once you have been proven wrong no apology will be big enough to
    Fit the crime of allowing this menace this type of power. DOES ANYONE HERE REALLY BELIEVE WE WILL NUKE IRAN IF A NUKE GOES OFF IN ISRAEL?? These clearly
    False promises are as apparent to Iran as they are to Israel. “Breathe deeply as this will help keep the infection out of your lungs” "Vielen herzlichen Dank!"

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  92. I do realize the concept of the crapper becoming divinized is a hard one to get one's mind around.


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  93. Well said, anon.


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  94. Mormonism is a cult, because the Christ that they believe in, well, it is not the same Christ that "real" Christians believe in.

    Their Christ returning to our whirled in Branson, Missouri, not Jerusalem.

    Their Christ not born in Bethlehem, but Jerusalem.

    Their heaven, not the same as the typical Christian heaven, it being organized differently.

    Their Prophets, well, boobie, they talk to God. Directly.
    Are given divine instruction, too.

    Nice folk, but the religion is a cult, from a typically Christian point of view.

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  95. How many varied versions of Christ are there allowed in Christianity?

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  96. I imagine there will be Many divine beings in Arizona before Barack Hussein Obama bombs Iran on behalf of Bibi Netanyahou.

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  97. The Israeli have hundreds of their own nuclear warheads, why, in Christs name, would the US have to bomb Iran if Israel was attacked with nuclear weapons?

    Especially when the Israeli are capable of the assured destruction of Iranian society, themselves.

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  99. The Israeli have a triad of nuclear responses available.

    They have a ballistic missile capability. They have nuclear capable attack aircraft and missile capable submarines.

    They have all the capacity that would be required to counter the Iranian threat.

    No need for the US to be involved.

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  100. I don't think there has been a 2.95% rate on the 30 yr Bond in my lifetime.

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  101. Not an indicator of inflation, is it, rufus?

    No indication that inflation is even factored into the rate of return equation.

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  102. Here is the “evil of rat”, a new book about rat suggesting Israel do the job but screaming hate from the rooftops about them once they do it.

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  103. If Israel were attacked, it have the right to self defense.

    It has not been attacked.

    So any attack Israel initiates would be the start of a war. One that would not serve US interests.

    If Israel attacked Iran purely out of fear and not as a response to a legitimate attack upon it, well, the US shouldn't support that.

    That Israel has a history of foreign aggression, and of telling patent falsehoods in that regard, just part of the political factoring.

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  104. Mormonism is a cult, because the Christ that they believe in, well, it is not the same Christ that "real" Christians believe in.


    "Real Christianity" is a cult because the Christ that they believe in, well, it is not the same Christ that the Mormons believe in.


    How many varied versions of Christ are there allowed in Christianity?

    How many Christs were there?

    These are good questions. Even Jesus seemed uncertain as to who and what he was. "Who do men say that I am?"

    Who does the 'allowing' in Christianity anyway? Orthodoxy was established by a vote of men. And it was a close vote.

    The Jesus of William Blake is different from that of Kirkegaard or Augustine.

    It would seem there are as many Christs as there are intelligent men and women to interpret him.

    Some of the earlier, and current too, I quess, Eastern Orthodox thought men can be divinized too, along with the Mormons. If I understand the Catholics aright, they don't, thinking there is a gulf placed between men and God, creator and creature, not to be overcome.

    Jesus is open to multiple interpretations.

    Of course, the guy you disagree with is always 'the cultist'.

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  105. Country Music Night coming up at the White House!!!!

    This is really a political outreach to us 'hayseeds' as the urbane Quirk calls us. This is designed to soften our hardened hearts, and win our votes and pocketbooks.

    It is doomed to fail, bother how good the music is.

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  106. Same hold true with the Muslims, boobie?

    Could there be as many different interpretations of Islam as there are Muslims to do the interpreting?

    We know of the differences 'tween Shite and Sunni, it is easily believable that there could be many other divisions, even within the major sects of Islam.

    Let alone the minor sects, like the Ansaris, which is the Assad family sect, in Syria.

    Another minor Islamic sect, that of Alevism, stands far apart from beliefs of Sunni orthodoxy.

    Which Islam is the supporter of evil doers?

    Who speaks for it?

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  107. 2.95%, Rat, tells me that a whole lot of people are saying, "I don't want no cheese, just let me stay out of the trap."

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  108. They had Charlie Pride at the last hoe down at the White House.

    Charlie was "real" Country, back when Johnny Cash was a Rock & Roll star.

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  109. And, also, "let me get the hell out of Europe."

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  110. This day ain't gonna get no better. Later.

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  111. You mean to say, rufus, that there is a ...


    "Flight to Security"


    And that the security investors are searching for, it is found in the United States of America.

    Not in China.
    Nor the Philippines.
    Nor Japan.

    Certainly not in Africa.
    Nor in Russia.
    Nor Brazil.

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  112. Not so very long ago, shitting in the Cathedral would have gotten you drawn and quartered.

    Now it just drives the tourists away, according to the guy running the Cathedral.


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  113. If Israel feels up to the job of taking down Iranian nuclear and launch facilities exclusively with her air power, Mazel tov. The US has not done that with aspiring nuclear powers that were sworn enemies of the US because the US had enough sense to evaluate the potential consequences of a mission gone bad.

    I find it hard to believe that Obama would be foolish enough to participate in anything so reckless and hope that there are enough like-minded Israelis that can control their esteemed leader.

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  114. Riot police are spreading tear gas and firing rubber bullets as the crowd of stone-throwing protesters at Egypt’s Tahrir Square begins to swell. RT’s Paula Slier reports from Cairo that the situation on the ground remains extremely tense.

    ...

    However, independent online journalist James Corbett says that this demonstration is unlikely to turn into a new revolution. He says what is going on in Egypt is the predictable result of a revolution that failed to do what it set out to.

    ...

    General Saeed Abbas, assistant to the head of Central Command, denied on Monday that the army is trying to disperse protesters from Tahrir square. He said that the army is preventing them from assembling at the Interior Ministry.

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  115. The US along with Britain and Canada have announced new financial and energy sanctions against Iran to halt its suspected nuclear weapons program.

    ...

    The sanctions were put in action at 15:00 GMT on Monday with all UK credit and financial institutions to cease all transactions with banks, including the Central Bank of Iran.Britain's Treasury chief George Osborne has said that this is the first time the British government has cut an entire country's banking sector off from the UK's financial sector, using powers created by the Counter-Terrorism Act of 2008.

    "We're doing this because of international evidence that Iran's banks are involved in the development of Iran's weaponized military nuclear weapon program. We're doing this to improve the security not just of the whole world, but the national security of the United Kingdom," he said.

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  116. There is no evidence the US fight against terrorism has made it less potent, whereas America has been significantly eroded over the course of the past decade, American counter-terrorism expert and attorney Daveed Gartenstein-Ross told RT.

    ­“When you look at Al-Qaeda’s goal to economically undermine the US, the conclusion is not that they’ve destroyed America, but they have been more effective in undermining the enemy’s economy than a lot of people would like to believe,” argued Gartenstein-Ross.

    “War is sometimes necessary, often not,” Daveed Gartenstein-Ross said, but “The counter terrorist war is very inefficient one."

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  117. @ Mon Nov 21, 04:37:00 PM EST

    Deuce, flip that around!

    The truth of the matter is that it is the US that wants to attack Iran, because the fascist US imperialist thieves want Iran's natural resources.

    The US is pushing Israel to play the role of a potential victim of Iran's, so that Israel can furnish the US with the political excuse for this theft.

    This is contrived CIA theater and propaganda. I pray that Israel is strong enough to resist US diplomatic bullying to play along and sabotages this perverted scheme to steal Iran's resources. It is very clear that Israel is being set up as a scapegoat should any complications arise.

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  118. The CIA is everywhere I tell ya. Everywhere.

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  119. If not they certainly should be

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  120. Chances of reviving an unresponsive Russian space probe headed for a moon of the Red Planet are now virtually zero. Hopelessly off-course, it is apparently doomed to fall back to Earth, though it is not clear when or where.

    ...

    “This would be possible if Phobos-Grunt received a new flight program, which would involve acceleration with the use of complex ballistic maneuvers, for instance, through the Moon and with high fuel expenditure. But by mid-December, even this opportunity to fire the spacecraft towards Mars will be gone,” a source in the space industry told Interfax.

    ...

    “The return capsule will not burn – it will reach Earth, because that’s what it was intended for. Some durable parts of the engine, combustion chambers may, as well.

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  121. The US is pushing Israel to play the role of a potential victim of Iran's

    Good grief, Mat, how many times do you need to hear the Iranian leadership say "Wipe Israel off the map!!!!"

    No one needs to push Israel to play the role of potential victim.

    They are a potential victim.

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  122. Egypt’s government has resigned amid huge protest in Cairo’s Tahrir Square. Since Friday up to 33 have died in clashes between protesters and security forces, with riot police firing tear gas and rubber bullets against stone-throwing demonstrators.

    ...

    Jeremy Corbyn, a British Labour MP and a member of the Stop the War coalition, told RT that the army’s behavior is designed to create an unacceptable atmosphere for the elections.

    “If the elections are postponed because of the behavior of the military then presumably the military council will see itself being longer in power, if not permanently in power,” he said.

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  123. The West is doing its best to destabilize the situation in Syria, author and journalist Webster Tarpley told RT. According to him, civilians have to deal with death squads and blind terrorism, which is typical of the CIA.

    ­“What average Syrians of all ethnic groups say about this is that they are being shot at by snipers. People complained that there are terrorist snipers who are shooting at civilians, blind terrorism simply for the purpose of destabilizing the country.

    ...

    “This is a model of a peaceful coexistence of various ethnic groups. The US policy right now is to smash the Middle East according to ethnic lines,” he added.

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  124. RT. Is that "Russian Television?"

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  125. No need for revenge. Just sit back and wait. Those who hurt you will eventually screw up themselves and if you're lucky, God will let you watch.

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  126. The trigger of automatic cuts should assuage jittery financial markets, which have been on a roller-coaster ride since the summer’s debt standoff in the United States and the struggle to tame even greater fiscal quagmires in Europe. But lawmakers fear that the sentiment of a dysfunctional federal government could solidify and prompt new fear in the global markets.

    After the summer-long battle over lifting the debt ceiling, Standard & Poor’s downgraded U.S. debt based on “America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective.” The supercommittee gridlock came despite its unprecedented parliamentary power — any plan winning at least seven votes would have been guaranteed a straight up-or-down vote in the House and Senate before Christmas.

    “There is a real threat that not only will there be a downgrade,” Kerry said, “but that the market on Monday will look at Washington and say, ‘You guys can’t get the job done.’ And just the political confusion and gridlock is enough to say to the world: America can’t get its act together.”

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  127. Anonymous Bob said... No one needs to push Israel to play the role of potential victim. They are a potential victim.

    The Copts are actual victims. The only difference is they don't have a Copt Lobby scrounging up $3 billion a year for 'em.

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  128. Anonymous Bob: Good grief, Mat, how many times do you need to hear the Iranian leadership say "Wipe Israel off the map!!!!"

    Israel wipes back.

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  129. Deuce said...
    If Israel feels up to the job of taking down Iranian nuclear and launch facilities exclusively with her air power, Mazel tov. The US has not done that with aspiring nuclear powers that were sworn enemies of the US because the US had enough sense to evaluate the potential consequences of a mission gone bad.

    I find it hard to believe that Obama would be foolish enough to participate in anything so reckless and hope that there are enough like-minded Israelis that can control their esteemed leader.



    Stupid stupid Deuce...

    Dont ya get it yet?

    Iran aint going to attack Israel, it's going to cause panic in the OIL markets, and thereby screwing America with 300 a barrel oil....

    Iran WILL supply Israel's enemies with rockets and money to murder at will Jews across the globe.

    But in the end, the Mullah's of Iran hate the big satan more than the Little Satan so they will screw America will high prices...

    And of course you and your israel hating trolls will blame Israel.

    So let me be the 1st to tell you...

    Iran is going to screw you really really well and it aint Israel or bibi's fault....

    I am, as an American (even if your troll-like buddies dont think I am) already preparing for the next 10 years of high prices, shortages and general clusterfucks...

    All because America doesnt have the balls to look into the eyes of the beast and do something about it...

    Obama?

    what a joke..

    But keep thinking it's Israel's fault....

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  130. New York City authorities said that the FBI was involved in the case but did not specifically say it declined to pursue the charges.

    Kelly said the NYPD worked very closely with federal authorities on the case.

    "We just believed that we couldn't let it go any further," he said. "We had to act."

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  131. Iran WILL supply Israel's enemies with rockets and money to murder at will Jews across the globe.
    ==

    America supplies them with the money to buy those rockets. And then it used its MSM propaganda outlets to castigate Israel for defending itself, while at the same time it slices and dices Israel into smaller and smaller parts.

    Divide & Conquer. It's an old game the imperialists like to play.

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  132. It all depends on who is President, Mat. Palin wouldn't be asking Israel to dice up, neither Bachmann. Obama? Different story.

    Move to America and vote for the candidate of your choice.


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  133. Bob,

    If you want to help Israel, vote for Ron Paul and every non-establishment candidate you can identify. You'll also be greatly helping yourself and your countrymen.

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  134. My lawyer always did say always vote against the incumbent. Though he doesn't do that himself.


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  135. Interesting theory Mat.

    I do not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, not because I think they will use it on Israel but because if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, the Saudis and Turks will both get them.

    Iran will use proxies against Israel but Iran does not have a death wish.

    Israel has enjoyed something the US enjoyed for only six years and that is a nuclear monopoly against her enemies for at least 40 years. That will not last regardless of anything Israel does. An attack by Israel or the US on Iran will convince more Iranians that they need their own nuclear deterrence. It will become a national mission.

    More intelligent Israelis realize that than those who don’t.

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  136. Deuce, it's all anglo-american imperialist theater and propaganda. If you want to understand what's really going on, you need to read the following:


    Carroll Quigley:
    - The Anglo-American Establishment: From Rhodes to Cliveden
    - Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time
    - The Evolution of Civilizations: An Introduction to Historical Analysis

    Anthony Sutton:
    - Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917–1930
    - Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1930–1945
    - Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1945–1965
    - National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union
    - Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
    - Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
    - Wall Street and FDR
    - Technological Treason: A catalog of U.S. firms with Soviet contracts, 1917–1982
    - Trilaterals Over America
    - How the Order Creates War and Revolution
    - How the Order Controls Education

    Edwin Black:
    - The Nazi Nexus
    - IBM and the Holocaust

    John Loftus:
    - The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People
    - Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks

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  137. It already is a national mission. All the mullahs and politicians, those in the 'opposition' too, are wanting their country to arm up. A change of government there isn't going to change that.

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  138. With Loftus we're back to the Liberty.

    He has the Liberty funneling info to the Egyptians if I understand him. Israeli tank positions and such.

    The Liberty taken out of Naval command and placed under National Security Council (?) command.

    The captain not allowed to go into the intelligence part of the boat.

    Make of it what you will.....


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  139. Police said officers shot and injured an armed man Monday in a park near Houston City Hall, where protesters have been gathering as part of their "Occupy Houston" demonstration, myFOXhouston.com reported.

    ...

    The suspect, who KHOU-TV reported was wearing a suit during the incident, was then apprehended and taken to the Ben Taub General Hospital by ambulance. No one else was injured in the shooting.

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  140. .

    Make of it what you will.....


    You've got to be kidding, right?

    Loftus is so right wing they had to end up firing him from Fox news.

    Deuce, when you get done with that reading list you were provided, see me and I'll get you some interesting stuff on the Illuminati, the Priory of Sion, and some 'secret knowledge' from my friends at the Rosecrucians.

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  141. He has the Liberty funneling info to the Egyptians if I understand him. Israeli tank positions and such.
    ==

    I tend to believe him. This is because I know for a fact that during the 1948 war, US and Anglo UN-diplomats were funneling military info to the arabs. Israel knew this and used this knowledge to deliberately feed these UN-diplomats false information. Israel would show these UN-diplomats its artillery positions and the diplomats would pass this info to the arabs. The arabs using this information would then shell abandoned hill tops, because Israel knowing it would be betrayed by these US and Anglo diplomats moved its artillery positions elsewhere.

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  142. George Carlin ~ The American Dream
    - http://goo.gl/8GdX

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  143. .

    Believe me Bobbo, my calling you a hick had nothing to do with music.

    :)

    Anyway, as far as I know, country/western is still the most popular genre in the US.

    Besides with your 'classical' education, I would have assumed you would have preferred something along the lines of Vivaldi's Four Seasons.

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  144. It was hayseed, not hick, thank you very much.

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  145. Re: Carroll Quigley

    Quiqley was/is considered by professional historians to be one of the best. His "THE EVOLUTION OF CIVILIZATIONS: AN INTRODUCTION TO HISTORICAL ANALYSIS." ranks with Toynbee, Barzun et al. Bill Clinton took Quiqley's class at Georgetown and noted him, to wit:

    "As a teenager, I heard John Kennedy’s summons to citizenship. And then, as a student at Georgetown, I heard that call clarified by a professor named Carroll Quigley, who said to us that America was the greatest Nation in history because our people had always believed in two things–that tomorrow can be better than today and that every one of us has a personal moral responsibility to make it so."

    For those with a scientific bent, Quigley wrote one of the best explications of the "Scientific Method" found in any language in "The Evolution..."

    There are some here who probably had not heard of Quiqley until today. I have the view that the same would be true of Colonel John Boyd…Hmm…

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  146. Toynbee, heh.

    Toynbee explained decline as due to their moral failure. Many readers, especially in America, rejoiced in his implication (in vols. 1-6) that only a return to some form of Catholicism could halt the breakdown of western civilization which began with the Reformation.


    Well, he was for the Jews, then he was agin 'em.

    He was a verbose blowhard.


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  147. Yeah, life just hasn't been the same since "The Inquisition."

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  148. It is beginning to look like someone in John Corzine’s company has “misappropriated” $1.2B of investors’ money (twice the original estimate of auditors). No one denies the money is “gone”. John is still living large and happy as a lark, and he and his spokesmen have nothing to say.

    A New Bedford fisherman has been forced to surrender his catch, an 881 lb. bluefin tuna, caught under a permit of some sort. The authorities will sell his summarily confiscated fish internationally on consignment – no if’s, and’s or but’s.

    Assuming the fishing “experts” know how to preserve a fresh catch, the bluefin tuna might garner $400,000.00. Then again, maybe not; who knows.

    Assuming foreign governments cooperate, some of Corzine’s $1.2B fun money may be returned – just like the Swiss will open bank vaults to Jews.

    The disgruntled fisherman’s catch was about 0.03% of Corzine’s. Tonight, that fisherman is probably supervising his small fleet, trying to make a living in a tough business. John Corzine is living large, sleeping well, no doubt, in one of his several mansions, cared for by numerous, well-paid staff…Hmm…


    Be ye fishers of men

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  149. Possibly the current first authority on the "Spanish Inquisition" (rather than those of France, Portugal, hundreds of German municipalities, Italy, Poland, Russia, Mexico, Brazil, etc, etc, etc.) would be Dr. Benzion Netanyahu, the 101 year-old father of Benjamin Netanyahu.

    His best known works covering this subject are:

    __The Origins of the Inquisition in Fifteenth-Century Spain

    __Don Isaac Abravanel, statesman and philosopher

    __The Marranos of Spain: From the Late 14th to the Early 16th Century According to Contemporary Hebrew Sources

    __Toward the Inquisition: Essays on Jewish and Converso History in Late Medieval Spain

    I wish the elderly Dr. could apply his skills to determining why Netherland, alone, did NOT have an inquisition of the Protestant sort. Possibly this explains why the Netherlands successfully defeated greedy France, Spain, and England (often two at a time) and for nearly three centuries was the richest "country" in the world, despite a population of about 2million. "The Embarrassment of Riches" is helpful.

    Of course, I am sure that answers to all these questions will be forthcoming in the form of a well considered sentence by some contributor :-)

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  150. The Dutch didn't have time for such silliness. At one time they owned one ship for something like every 160 citizens.

    I might have missed a decimal, but it was still some ridiculous ratio.

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  151. We are in a similar situation, today, that the Dutch were in, then.

    We Win Wars because we're Rich, and we're Rich because we "Win Wars."

    (Of course, WWII was the only one that "mattered. All the rest were just "field exercises.")

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  152. Rufus II said...
    The Dutch didn't have time for such silliness. At one time they owned one ship for something like every 160 citizens.

    Agreed: The ratio was mind-boggling. But the Spanish imported tons and tons of wealth in a good year. Nevertheless, they always made time for cruel infamy. Interestingly, they also were always in debt - very often to or because of the tolerant Dutch.

    You are mistaken, however, on "silliness". The Dutch were deeply religious, as their art makes clear. Their literature might as well were it better known and appreciated. For instance, the humanistic Dutch thought themselves the New Jerusalem and Israel. Additionally, and possibly not surprisingly, they extensively used metaphors, analogies etc speaking of the Reed Sea and Noah.
    At the time of the greatest wealth of the Dutch, they were great church goers. A vast body of sermons has been preserved from this period. In the simplest way, the Dutch saw their wealth as G-d’s gift for their virtue and saw their many wars and natural disasters as G-d’s wrath for their vice.

    To get a feel for how the Dutch felt about Feudalism, google the Battle of the Golden Spurs.

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  153. Good Lord! "Golden SPURS!"

    Jeeeminy

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  154. Spanish 3 Mo. Yields at Over 5%. Holy Mackerel

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  155. I have no time this morning, but it is an interesting thread except for Q’s Vivaldi’s Four Seasons. I hate when anyone plays that. It takes days to get it out of my mind.

    Someone else with a key find something to post.

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  156. I'm out the door, right now, myself. Go get'em Doug. :)

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  157. Can't find any good news about Obama or Romneycare, Rufus, sorry.

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  158. Marine Corps and Defense Department officials pull a Tillman, again.

    Friendly fire killed Pendleton Marine

    On Monday, Marines who served with her son had verified for the family rumors of a friendly fire incident and offered both parents further details. The battalion's scout snipers had been engaged in a firefight Oct. 6th on a ridge when a Marine tanker mistook them for the enemy, she said.

    "All his friends knew right away. In fact they’ve told me it’s a blessing that not all of those snipers were killed who were on the ridge. A Marine in a tank sprayed them with gun fire. The fact that they only killed one was a miracle," she said.

    ---

    "Why couldn’t they tell us the most important thing?" and save the details for later, she asked. "It's much more difficult to deal with it when I know it was one of his comrades who killed him.

    "My poor baby went over to that dangerous place and ended up being killed by another Marine. ... He was magical and charismatic and movie star-handsome, and it is just a waste."

    At a memorial service Oct. 13 in Afghanistan, Gunnery Sgt. Jairo A. Fredonis, the scout sniper platoon commander, described Schmidt as funny, smart and courageous. Reading from a letter he wrote to Schmidt's parents, he said: “You raised an amazing young man, and I will tell his story for the rest of my life.”

    Lt. Col. William H. Vivian, commanding officer of the battalion, said Schmidt “set an example that lifted others around him to reach a little higher.”

    Schmidt was buried Oct. 14 at Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery, in San Antonio.

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  159. The Tillman story, doug, is not that it was a friendly fire incident, but that the US Army knowingly lied about the incident and awarded SP/4 Tillman a Silver Star in spite of that knowledge.

    The motives for the fraud, well, that is harder to pin down, but that SP/4 Tillman's squad blatantly lied and the Army not only let them, but sanctified the lies, cause for concern.

    The Marines did not do that, according to your snippet.

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  160. South Korea (AP) - South Korea's ruling party forced a long-stalled free trade deal with the United States through parliament Tuesday, enraging opposition lawmakers who blasted their political rivals with tear gas.

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  161. Why but Italian or Spanish bonds, when the Arabs are offering an equivalent return.


    Bahrain offered a high interest rate of 6.273 percent on an Islamic bond worth $750 million last week, with less turnout than usual from Asian consumers of debt, in a sign of investor concern about stability in Bahrain.

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  162. The Army lied and Tillman died: Those are the facts.

    Whether Pat Tillman earned a Silver Star, I cannot say. The award does raise a question as to propriety.

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  163. Battle of the Golden Spurs --

    It contributed to the end of the perceived supremacy of cavalry


    And here I thought the screaming horse in Picasso's 'Guernica' signified that, the end of the caballero, brought low by the mechanized death from the air.

    But it had a good run, horsemanship, all the way from those grasslands up in aryanland, so long ago, when they first figured out to master the horse.

    What two legged ape on horseback can possibly resist beating up some poor two legged ape afoot?

    It was this development that seems to have 'spurred on' Zoroaster.

    b

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  164. allen said... The Army lied and Tillman died: Those are the facts.

    Gosh Allen, I don't think you should be at Liberty to criticize blue on blue SNAFUs.

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  165. Teresita said...
    allen said... The Army lied and Tillman died: Those are the facts.

    Gosh Allen, I don't think you should be at Liberty to criticize blue on blue SNAFUs.


    this coming from someone who lied about her violations her oath to the USA Armed Forces....

    Great when you can lie and cheat the USA huh?

    Now you are stealing a pension that you NEVER should have been given....

    How was it, swearing to uphold the laws of the Armed Forces and at night breaking them?

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  166. T,

    Although some feel at Liberty to posit conspiracy theories, not I.

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  167. Charles Martel proved at Tours/Poitiers that heavily armed, disciplined infantry, fighting from prepared defenses (even crude ones) could defeat horsemen. The trick was not to break and run or prematurely step outside the perimeter in small groups.

    Martel was way ahead of his time when it came to rigorous training and iron discipline. Moreover, his main force was battle hardened.

    Abdul Rahman, the Moorish general, was impatient (despite waiting several days before launching his attack), was required to forage far and wide, for his livestock particularly, and suffered the misplaced pride often found among cavalrymen used to riding down the defenseless.

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