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Sunday, November 27, 2011

Good News for Newt :: Fat Presidents Make Good Presidents


The New Republic



Fat Presidents: A Survey


Amid speculation that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie will enter the presidential race, there's been some talk about the weight issue. How does it affect his health? Would voters judge him harshlyfor it? (Jon Corzine tried and failed to make an issue of it, obliquely, in the 2009 gubernatorial election.) I prefer the historical approach. Who, besides William Howard Taft (300+ pounds)--who may or may not have gotten stuck in the White House bathtub but certainly arranged for a bigger one to be installed there--were America's fattest presidents?

Before its demise, George magazine (where I was a contributing editor during the late 1990s) published a Book of Political Lists, edited by Blake Eskin, that listed the presidents according to body mass index. A BMI of 25 pegs you as overweight and a BMI of 30 as obese. The medical definition of "obese" is, I think, too unforgiving; it includes a lot of people whom we civilians would judge merely overweight. But at least the medical definition recognizes gradations of obesity. Below 35 is "class one." Thirty-five to 40 is "class two." And over 40 is "class three." You really don't want to be class three.
I don't think of Christie as obese, and I don't know his BMI, but it's surely over 30. What kind of presidencies do the over-30 set produce? Here is a table matching the five medically obese presidents with their BMIs and how they fared in Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.'s 1996 "greatness" rankings of all the presidents based on a survey of 32 experts (most of them academic historians). The two presidents we've had since Schlesinger's ratings were compiled (George W. Bush and Barack Obama) are both pretty obviously not medically obese, so we need not concern ourselves with them here. (For comparison's sake: Bill Clinton, at 28.3, was medically "overweight," though, as in so many things, dangerously close to the line.)


PresidentBMISchlesinger "greatness" score
Taft42.3 (obesity class 3)1.52 (average)
Cleveland34.6 (obesity class 1)2.24 (high average)
McKinley31.1 (obesity class 1)2.11 (high average)
Taylor30.2 (class 1)0.88 (below average)
Theodore Roosevelt30.2 (obesity class 1)3.31 (near great)
Obese presidential average33.68 (obesity class 1)2.012 (high-average)

There are two lessons here. The first is that even with Taft skewing the average upward, our fat presidents weren't very fat. Besides Taft, the only one who threatened to break out of obesity class one was Grover Cleveland. The second lesson is that obesity is, if anything, a slight presidential plus, with Zachary Taylor pulling the ranking down, Theodore Roosevelt pushing it back up, and Grover Cleveland and William McKinley nudging it a little higher.
The judgment of history, then, is that fat presidents, though not above average, are in the high range of average.

182 comments:

  1. WiO,

    The sum total of your arguments in the previous threads was 'bad things have been done to Jews therefore Jews cam act badly too.'. It is a really sad argument!

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  2. Fat citizens must make poor citizens as Obama says we are fat, self indulgent, lazy, have lost our edge, and it is, in short, all our fault. We take too much time off.

    Ash for instance plays too much golf, Rufus drinks too much, I fish too much....right down the line.

    Obama is on the links again today.....or maybe at a basketball game.

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  3. He has obviously not had a thorough dispassionate look at his wife’s very ample ass.

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  4. I knew I'd make a "fair to middlin'" Prezdent.

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  5. Snowin' in Dixie, tomorrow. Goin' back to the 50's weather patterns, I think.

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  6. Does this formula hold for First Ladies??

    In that regard both Hillary and Michelle should do a-ok, giving the edge slightly to Michelle.

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  7. It would be spittin' snow on Thanksgiving back then, about as often as not.

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  8. I'm not sure I trust a skinny, rich man, anyway.

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  9. At least, not an "older" skinny, rich man.

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  10. Barley is $200 a ton here. Here, not at Portland.

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  11. Of course, I don't "trust" anybody.

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  12. I don't know much about Barley, but that's still a good price, isn't it?

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  13. In the old movies the rich were always fat, in the cartoons too, and in the propaganda brochures.

    Never trust a man with a moustache, or a skinny rich man. And if they have both, watch out.


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  14. Excellent price, twice normal around here.

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  15. Don't they use a lot of barley in "fish food?"

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  16. Probably shipping a lot of it to China. China being the no. 1 Beer Market in the World, I believe.

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  17. I don't know about that. A lot from here gets used to feed cattle, or gets shipped overseas. Some goes for beer, I grew a lot of that. (you can thank me later, Rufus) It used to track the price of corn pretty close. Is corn higher now?


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  18. Corn's coming down from its highs (was up around $7.50, and a little higher at times.)

    Cash Price, last I looked, was around $5.80. Still a very good price.

    The farmers hit a Grand-Slam around here, this year, in spite of the drought, and heat, and floods, and everything else.

    Everything they touched turned golden.

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  19. I used to grow a kind of winter pea that went mostly to Pakistan, and to feed pigeons, no shit, those were about the only market for it.


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  20. In the summer before harvest those winter pea crops would attract every barn pigeon in the county, no shit.

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  21. The new corn seeds are just unbelievable. Just get a little bit of water to it, somehow, and you make a crop. A good crop.

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  22. Garbanzo beans were a big big winner here this year.


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  23. Let's face it; Everything was a big winner, Everywhere.

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  24. We have a new genetically engineered 'stand up' pea now. Instead of falling over and laying on the ground and hard to harvest, the stalks are strong enough to hold them up. You can harvest them with a regular combine, not needing all the special pea harvesting attachments.


    Big deal, around here.

    Also they have begun growing quite a lot of hard red winter wheat, whereas we usually have grown the soft white varieties.

    That's the report from the warehouse.....



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  25. Corn yields were down 10%; but, let's face it, $7.50 will cure a lot of woes.

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  26. Ash said...
    WiO,

    The sum total of your arguments in the previous threads was 'bad things have been done to Jews therefore Jews cam act badly too.'. It is a really sad argument!


    Nonsense.

    You are too much of a bigot to try to understand the realities on the ground.

    Arabs murder and scream for genocide but that doesnt count...

    One standard for Israel, no standards for anyone else.

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  27. We saw a ton of Milo go in behind the winter wheat. Three years ago I don't think I saw any winter wheat harvested here.

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  28. A couple of years ago, there were two or three corn fields over in the Eastern part of the County. This year it was all over the place.

    Like I said, they hit a home run over here this year.

    The local John Deere dealer, here, made enough the last two years to retire in style.

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  29. It's good to see the farmers and dealers too having some better years.

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  30. Yeah, Somebody's gotta make a buck.

    Otherwise, who in the hell are we going to borry from? :)

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  31. The local Law Enforcement/Justice System is making good money off the drug trade.

    Otherwise, it's a pretty bleak picture.

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  32. The price of gasoline is off about $0.60/gal, and the Casinos are starting to "pick up" a little bit.

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  33. University admissions is doing good. Students flocking to school, on student loans, at least here, and fees is up, so too the price of books at the university book store....


    We have two industries here, other than farming.

    1)Suck off the students

    2)Suck off the students

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  34. Best Buy, I think it was, was selling 42" HDTVs for $200.00 on Black Friday. That's freakin' amazing.

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  35. You can't have a really good town without a University. It just can't be done.

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  36. That's my outlook too. We'd be a county seat, and a grain warehouse, that's all, without the U of I.

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  37. Best Buy, I think it was, was selling 42" HDTVs for $200.00 on Black Friday. That's freakin' amazing.

    Sun Nov 27, 09:18:00 PM EST


    I'd be willing to get pepper sprayed for one of them, to get trampled, to get arrested.....

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  38. Four years earlier, the newspaper threw its support to Arizona Sen. John McCain's bid and used front page opinion columns and editorials to boost him and criticize chief rival Romney. In the time since, Romney has worked to court Union Leader publisher Joe McQuaid, who often runs columns on the newspaper's front page under his signature.

    ...

    Romney and his wife, Ann, had dinner with the McQuaids at the Bedford Village Inn near Manchester, hoping to reset the relationship earlier this year. Yet it didn't prove enough and McQuaid's newspaper seemed not to appreciate the outreach.

    "Newt Gingrich is by no means the perfect candidate," McQuaid wrote. "But Republican primary voters too often make the mistake of preferring an unattainable ideal to the best candidate who is actually running."

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  39. U.S. retail sales during Thanksgiving weekend climbed 16 percent to a record as shoppers flocked to stores earlier and spent more, according to the National Retail Federation.

    Sales totaled $52.4 billion, and the average shopper spent $398.62 during the holiday weekend, up from $365.34 a year earlier, the Washington-based trade group said in a statement today, citing a survey conducted by BIGresearch. More than a third of that -- an average of $150.53 -- was spent online . . .


    Amazing Holiday Shopping Spree

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  40. The annual shopathon arrived with consumer sentiment at levels previously reached during recessions, as a record share of households said this is a bad time to spend, according to the Bloomberg Consumer Comfort Index. The measure has reached minus 50 or less in nine of the past 10 weeks, an unprecedented performance in its 26-year history.

    That reflected concerns about 9 percent unemployment, a sluggish housing market and slower third-quarter economic growth than previously estimated.

    Still, the number of people shopping during the Thanksgiving Day weekend rose to a record 226 million from 212 million last year, the NRF said.


    You Can Not Predict People.

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  41. Sure you can.

    Charge it! No problem!

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  42. Credit card use was down. "Cash," and Debit Cards were up.

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  43. By the way, Newt isn't fat, he is what my aunts used to call pleasantly plump.


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  44. The most cogent phrase, I believe, was "Consumers Exhaled."

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  45. The most oft-committed mistake in economic "theory" is the misconception that consumers will save during times of low inflation, and spend freely during times of high inflation. The fact is, People Save during times of both low, and High, inflation.

    In short, people Save during ANY "uncertain" times.

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  46. They "hold their breath."


    Then, when times start to return to "normal," such as when gasoline prices drop 15%, they "Exhale."


    They Exhaled.

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  47. Deuce, I think this would make a hell of a Post.

    The Federal Reserve and the big banks fought for more than two years to keep details of the largest bailout in U.S. history a secret. Now, the rest of the world can see what it was missing.

    The Fed didn’t tell anyone which banks were in trouble so deep they required a combined $1.2 trillion on Dec. 5, 2008, their single neediest day. Bankers didn’t mention that they took tens of billions of dollars in emergency loans at the same time they were assuring investors their firms were healthy. And no one calculated until now that banks reaped an estimated $13 billion of income by taking advantage of the Fed’s below-market rates, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its January issue.

    Saved by the bailout, bankers lobbied against government regulations, a job made easier by the Fed, which never disclosed the details of the rescue to lawmakers even as Congress doled out more money and debated new rules aimed at preventing the next collapse.

    A fresh narrative of the financial crisis of 2007 to 2009 emerges from 29,000 pages of Fed documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and central bank records of more than 21,000 transactions. While Fed officials say that almost all of the loans were repaid and there have been no losses, details suggest taxpayers paid a price beyond dollars as the secret funding helped preserve a broken status quo and enabled the biggest banks to grow even bigger.
    . . . .


    Unbelievable, Simply Unbelievable

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  48. PR man for Allah, ash, argues for Israeli equivalency, while denying that is his cause or even reality.

    He bemoans that Israel is judged by a "different" standard, while claiming, contemporaneously, that it should be, except when that standard becomes difficult.

    Then he advocates for the mass murder of Saudi Arabians, those that just happen to live in Mecca.


    It is funny to watch, from the neutral corner.

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  49. Well, maybe not "Mass Murder".

    He advocates for a nuclear strike, in the center of Mecca, but denies that there'd be any "collateral damage" in regards that nuclear blast.

    Well, he does not deny that there'd be "collateral damage", he denies that "people" would die, in a nuclear strike on Mecca.

    All he says he wants to "kill", a rock.

    So the people that are in the way, they do not really count.

    They just would be ...

    "Collateral Damage"

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  50. desert rat said...
    Well, maybe not "Mass Murder".

    He advocates for a nuclear strike, in the center of Mecca, but denies that there'd be any "collateral damage" in regards that nuclear blast.

    Well, he does not deny that there'd be "collateral damage", he denies that "people" would die, in a nuclear strike on Mecca.

    All he says he wants to "kill", a rock.

    So the people that are in the way, they do not really count.

    They just would be ...
    "Collateral Damage"



    Yes there would or could be collateral damage!

    America is well versed in such examples.

    The price islam would pay is minimal as compared to actual genocide that some are calling for.

    If the moslems cannot be stopped taking out one of the 5 pillars of islam you will have no option but to submit or to cause mass genocide.

    Better to target a rock 1st...




    Sure I do! A few hundred t

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  51. America has nuked civilian populations

    England has firebombed Germany's civilian populations

    Russia has killed hundreds of thousands of Georgians

    China?

    Iraq?

    Iran?

    Nigeria?

    Liberia?

    Egyptian wars with Sudan?

    Taking out the Rock of Mecca is SMALL in comparison what the last 100 years of modern warfare has brought us...

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  52. But it's only a sin or a crime if Israel does something like that??

    One standard for Israel, no standards for anyone else.


    Syria murders 3500 people and the world yawns.

    israel stops an illegal ship, with scores of activists (some making jihad tapes before leaving) armed with pistols, knives and metal clubs, trying to break and LEGAL blockade and Israel gets skewered like an international felon.

    Syria?

    gets a yawn

    Turkey bombs 89 Kurdish positions in Iraq,

    Nothing

    One standard for Israel, no standards for anyone else.

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  53. Rat is worried about the human death toll if the black rock of mecca were nuked...

    he states: So the people that are in the way, they do not really count.

    They just would be ...

    "Collateral Damage"





    Interesting point of view...

    do we all remember his comments when the palestinians shelled 10,000 rockets at israeli civilians?

    those deaths and injuries didnt matter....

    One standard for Israel, no standards for anyone else.

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  54. There he goes again, searching for Israeli Equivalency, then bemoaning reality when it is exposed.

    Israel is just another little country, not special, certainly not on the moral high ground.

    It is just another Europeon colony that systematically represses the natives, claiming to represent the "Rule of Law" as it does.

    No better, nor worse, than Mr Assad, in Syria.
    The Israeli track record in Gaza, matching Assad's in Hama.

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  55. Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

    Ash said...
    WiO,

    The sum total of your arguments in the previous threads was 'bad things have been done to Jews therefore Jews cam act badly too.'. It is a really sad argument!


    Nonsense.

    You are too much of a bigot to try to understand the realities on the ground.

    Arabs murder and scream for genocide but that doesnt count...

    One standard for Israel, no standards for anyone else.






    Lordy, WiO lad, do you really have that little self awareness that you don't realize that after your "nonsense" claim you revert right back to the same old argument? Let me try to make it real simply for you:

    If I murder someone it does not matter, it does not change the ethical nature of my murder, that thousands of others have committed more horrific crimes.

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  56. When the Arab Palestinians attacked the Europeon colonists, with those bottle rockets, there were few casualties and even fewer deaths attributed to them.

    Feel free, PR man for Allah, to document Israeli losses to those bottle rockets.

    Tell us, please, how many deaths there were directly attributable to them.

    There are three types of Qassam rockets.
    The first two ARE bottle rockets.
    With a payloads of less than 20 pounds. The Qassam 3, it is a monster, with a 44 pound payload.

    An Israeli F-15 drops 500 pounders in response, upon schools and apartments. The Israeli dropped hundreds of those 500 pound bombs.

    Their explosive tonnage, excessive, in response to the bottle rockets, but sadly, they were even less than effective politically.

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  57. PR man for Allah, goes again, searching for Israeli equivalency with the Islamoids.

    It is not hard to find.

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  59. Dear Dr,

    I sincerely hope that someday someone you care for gets to feel what, as you call it "The first two ARE bottle rockets.
    With a payloads of less than 20 pounds. The Qassam 3, it is a monster, with a 44 pound payload."

    I hope your daughter, mother, wife or son enjoy the bottle rocket.....

    I hope you are spared. And you will live with the pain a "bottle rocket" gives...

    Fuck you....

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  60. I know that when I searched for casualty figures for those bottle rocket attacks, none were available.

    I also know that Mr Recep Tayyip Erdogan, of Turkey, asked for documentation of the Israeli casualties from the rocket attacks, none was forth coming.

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  61. The Europeons instigated the violence, with the colonization of Palestine.

    As the Ottomans knew they would.

    That PR man for Allah blames the victim, typical new-liberalism.

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  62. That should be NEO-LIBERALISM.

    Mea culpa

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  63. Rat's claims of Israeli crimes of course are nonsense.

    There is no need to pick apart his daily lies.

    He hates Israel, Jews and Zionism

    That is clear.

    And by extension this blog hates Israel, Jews and Zionism, that is also clear.

    Same shit, different day.

    I can only hope someday, all the Israel hating people that post here are humbled by their black hearted nature.

    But I doubt that will happen.

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  64. Zionism equals Nazism

    Desert Crapper


    That about said it all for all time. No need to take the argument any further.

    Think of that statement, let it sink in.....

    That's the Crapper, for you.

    (now watch his inevitable come back)


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  65. I'm going back to bed.


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  66. The Zionists, in Israel have "Murdered" over a million Jewish souls.

    "Murdered Jewish Souls" as defined by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

    The only others to eclipse that mark, in modern times, the NAZI.

    Both comparable and attributable.

    The difference is motive.
    The Zionists needing full grown bodies, not babies, to man the trenches.

    So the Zionists acquiesced to the "Murder of Jewish Souls", to build an Army that could defend the colony.

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  67. The Zionists committed to the continued growth of the colony through immigration, not internal growth.

    Internalized growth being a much more costly course.

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  68. More Israelis die from peanut allergies than Hamas rockets.

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  69. Conscientious Israelis acknowledge that the Hamas rockets rationale is fraudulent. For instance, Jerusalem Post writer Larry Derfner has noted:

    “The [Palestinian] Kassam [rockets] have terrorized the 25,000 people in Sderot and its environs, but have caused very, very few deaths or serious wounds. By contrast, Israel has terrorized 1.5 million Gazans, locked them inside their awfully narrow borders, throttled their economy, and killed and seriously wounded thousands of them…

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  70. .

    I know it's redundant saying it rat but you are a nitwit.

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  71. .

    And by extension this blog hates Israel, Jews and Zionism, that is also clear.

    I know it's redundant saying it WiO but you are a nitwit.

    .

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  72. Yeah, I gotta agree with Quirk about your Jewish souls argument rat.

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  73. I believe that's
    "knit whit"

    Matter of perspective, I'm sure.

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  74. That PR man for Allah conflates Judaism, Semitism, Israel and Zionism, well, that just shows how far from reality he really resides.

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  75. Well, ash, that is because the Chief Rabbinate of Israel is not a source of moral code that you conform with.

    That is certainly acceptable.

    You may find the soul in a manner different than the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

    I would submit, though, that the Chief Rabbinate of Israel speaks with authority within and about Judaism and souls.

    The basis of the point is that the Zionists, in Israel, do not necessarily represent Judaism.

    If it did, the State would not allow and subsidize the mass murder of souls, as it is defined by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

    The argument is whether or not those were Jewish souls, and if they were "murdered".

    Different religions and cultures see it differently, I agree.

    The view of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel is clear. They were souls, they were murdered.

    Feel free to disagree ...

    ... with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

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  76. Now, I only mention it when boob tries to spin the
    Zionism = NAZIs

    Which needs the murder of Jewish souls to be viable.

    Which it is, if the standard utilized by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel is used to measure the viability of what constitutes a "Jewish soul", and when killing it amounts to murder.

    I do not blame the victim, I listen to their spokesmen.

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  77. I find it difficult to understand how by advocating the position of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, one finds themselves labeled as being

    Anti-Judaic"

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  78. I do understand how, by advocating against the position held by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, one could be labeled "Anti-Semitic".

    Denial of the ongoing murder of Jewish souls, in Israel, in the name of Zionism part of the storyline of modern liberalism.

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  79. Hey, look at this --

    from Drudge --

    Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) will announce Monday that he is not seeking reelection, ending a 32-year career in the House.

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  80. Getting back to Newt --

    who woulda thunk it --

    comment
    Poll: Gingrich opens up nine-point lead after Union-Leader endorsement
    By Justin Sink - 11/28/11 10:02 AM ET

    Newt Gingrich has opened a sizable lead over Mitt Romney in the first national poll taken since the former Speaker of the House earned the key endorsement of the New Hampshire Union Leader, showing Gingrich with a nine-percentage point lead over the former Massachusetts governor.

    The poll, conducted by Majority Opinion Research Sunday night, showed Gingrich leading the Republican field with 32 percent of support from those surveyed. Romney earned 23 percent, while Herman Cain rounded out the top three with 14 percent of the vote. Ron Paul led the remainder of the field with 6 percent.


    And that's a national poll, it says.


    He went tripping with his wife, his campaign staff quit, he was at about 2% in the polls, and here the old fart is on top.


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  81. Maybe Barney has AIDS.


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  82. from the Online Etymology Dictionary --

    nitwit Look up nitwit at Dictionary.com
    1922, from nit "nothing," from Ger. dial. or Yiddish, from M.L.G. (see nix) + wit.



    1922, relatively new word


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  83. from Political Wire --

    A close adviser tells the Boston Globe that "the new district in which Frank would have had to run next year was a major factor in his decision. While it retained his Newton stronghold, it was revised to encompass more conservative towns while Frank also lost New Bedford, a blue-collar city where had invested a lot of time and become a leading figure in the region's fisheries debate."


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  84. Or, maybe Barney just sees the next super-wave coming and is the first rat to swim away from a sinking ship.


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  85. Barney Is Bitter, Bitter, Bitter


    Warning Quirk it's from the dreaded American Thinker


    This story is making my day. It's about time for a Barneyless Congress.


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  86. One of Barney's boyfriends was once running a male prostitution ring out of his apartment.

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  87. Anonymous said...
    More Israelis die from peanut allergies than Hamas rockets.


    So?

    How many Peanuts premeditated an attack on children on purpose.

    The LACK of Israeli deaths is due to the expense of bomb shelters, increased security and a major investment in medical trauma units.

    The LACK of success doesnt account for the daily TRYING of Fatah and Hamas in murder.


    May all of you be bothered by "bottle rockets" that weight only 20 - 40 pounds.

    May your kids schools be targeted with gun fire that doesnt actually kill anyone, but just makes the people live in fear.

    May you have a genocidal enemy that attacks you on an hourly basis but fails to kill you, just takes off a leg, an eye or maybe some kids hand....

    May you have only 30 seconds to get to a bomb shelter when a bottle rocket comes a calling.

    and may you NOT respond as America has in the past.

    Please may you give up land for peace to these animals.

    And may your kids live in fear on a daily basis that today the Pizza parlor will explode, or the bus to the mall will explode turing your kids into hamburger

    The palestinians do not seek peace, they seek (along with the arab world) the genocide of the Jews.

    To those that are to blind to see? Buy a pair of glasses you dumb fucks...

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  88. WiO, it is interesting how you can understand how those non-lethal to date rockets can cause much fear and pain yet you fail to see how actions such as the 'tagging' also cause Palestinians similar grief. Are you so self-unaware you can't see the hypocrisy in your recent arguments?

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  89. If that is the case, PR man for Allah, why move millions of people to the Zionist colony in Palestine?

    Moving millions from Europe into a small, concentrated target area, surrounded by those that hate them, who have sworn to remove them from the map, serves who's cause?

    In the "Long Term" there is little reason to think the the current Europeon occupation of the Levant will out last those of the past.

    Demographics being what they are.

    As mat said, the Zionists were set up by the Anglo Axis to fail.

    The question left unmentioned was one of timing, not the ultimate outcome.

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  90. Ash said...
    WiO, it is interesting how you can understand how those non-lethal to date rockets can cause much fear and pain yet you fail to see how actions such as the 'tagging' also cause Palestinians similar grief. Are you so self-unaware you can't see the hypocrisy in your recent arguments?


    Israelis would have a wet dream if the ARABS ONLY spray painted words on a wall, uprooted a tree or even burned an empty building down.

    To compare the "price tag" attacks to what you imply is nonsense.

    The Price tag attacks are for the MURDER of babies and women.....

    TO compare them as the same?

    Nonsense.


    Go study the real issues..

    You are ignorant

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  91. desert rat said...
    If that is the case, PR man for Allah, why move millions of people to the Zionist colony in Palestine?


    Because the arabs threw them out?

    Almost 1 MILLION Jews were ethnically cleansed from the arab occupied middle east by the arabs. These Jews were driven to the new state of israel. THe same state that the arabs now were screaming to burn with fire...

    The Arabs caused the State of Israel to prosper... It drove the Jews of middle east RIGHT INTO THE NEWLY REFORMED STATE OF ISRAEL.

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  92. And ...

    No one denies that the Jews, who had lived in the Islamic Arc for ages, were dispossessed after the Zionists created their colony.

    It has no impact upon politics today.

    No more than the millions of dispossessed Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and Jordon.

    That Jordon "should" be the Palestinian State, unimportant, because it is not.

    The Jews of Arabia were done in, by their Europeon brethren. Who wanted them in Israel, not Arabia.
    The immigrants to the colony have been maneuvered into a no-win situation.

    Whether the end plays out sooner, or later, mat is right. The Zionist colony was set-up to fail by the Anglo Axis.
    Which, as he says, rules supreme in power projection and involuntary asset reallocation.

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  93. Still, you fail to answer the pertinent question.

    Who's cause is served by concentrating "Nuremberg Jews" from Europe in a contained geographic area, surrounded by hostility?

    That the Jewish population of Arabia is concentrated, there in Israel, a plus for whom?

    Why the Zionist, of course.
    Who knew to draw a hard line of antagonism between the new colonists and the Palestinian Arabs.

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  94. Goddamn, you're not a nitwit, you're a goddamn idiot.

    involuntary asset reallocation where in hell did you come up with that?

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  95. Israel, just the size of Maricopa County, Arizona, could well be described as a grand ghetto, no?

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  96. mat called it "theft".

    Winners write the history.
    Involuntary asset reallocation sounds so much more ...

    ... shall we say ...

    ... civil.

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  97. ...and the Arabs would have a wet dream if the Israelis only "spray painted words on a wall, uprooted a tree or even burned an empty building down."

    You aren't very good at propaganda WiO!

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  98. As exemplified in Helmut, Afghanistan, where the opium fields have been reallocated to the Karzai faction.

    Involuntarily from the Pashtun Talibanistas.

    The Anglo Axis having a long history of involuntary asset reallocation.

    Look what they did, in Hawaii.

    California and Texas.

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  99. "Judge Blocks Citigroup Settlement With S.E.C.

    Citigroup was charged with negligence in its selling to customers a billion-dollar mortgage securities fund, known as Class V Funding III. The S.E.C. alleged that Citigroup picked the securities to be included in the fund without telling investors, claiming that the securities were being chosen by an independent entity. Citigroup then bet against the investments because it believed that they would lose value, the S.E.C. said.

    ¶ Investors lost $700 million in the fund, according to the S.E.C., while Citigroup gained about $160 million in profits.

    ¶ The settlement established none of those allegations as fact, thereby making it impossible for the court to properly judge whether the settlement meets the required standard of being fair, adequate and in the public interest.

    ¶ “An application of judicial power that does not rest on facts is worse than mindless, it is inherently dangerous,” Judge Rakoff wrote in the case, S.E.C. v. Citigroup Global Markets. “In any case like this that touches on the transparency of financial markets whose gyrations have so depressed our economy and debilitated our lives, there is an overriding public interest in knowing the truth.”

    ¶ The S.E.C. in particular, he added, “has a duty, inherent in its statutory mission, to see that the truth emerges.” "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/business/judge-rejects-sec-accord-with-citi.html?hp



    hear! hear!

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  100. NEIL REYNOLDS
    Can government make you buy health insurance?


    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/can-government-make-you-buy-health-insurance/article2250210/

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  101. Arizona.

    Phoenix.

    To maintain your moral standing, you must leave at once.

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  102. Hong Kong exemplifies the long history of involuntary asset allocation by the Anglo Axis.

    I am sure mat would include the former Shah of Iran as an agent of the Anglo Axis. Exploiting that country to the benefit of the Anglo Axis and to the detriment of the Persian peoples.

    The case for global hegemony by the Anglo Axis, not hard to make.

    Who are its' agents, beneficiaries and future liabilities and how those positions shift, over time, for the reader to decide.

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  103. Not a bad article there Ash.

    That wheat farmer case is a famous one among us rurals.

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  104. Sheriff Joe
    He Says

    No!

    boobie.

    So I'll stay.

    He came out for Mr Perry, as the GOP nomination to run for President.

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  105. Foreign Minister Walid Muallem hit out at a news conference at which gruesome video footage was shown of what was described as a "mass grave of security force martyrs" that the authorities discovered.

    ...

    UN-appointed investigators said Monday that Syria's military and security forces committed crimes against humanity in their brutal crackdown on anti-regime protesters.

    "The commission is gravely concerned that crimes against humanity have been committed in different locations in the Syrian Arab Republic during the period under review," the Independent Commission of Inquiry on Syria said in its report, concluding that military and security forces were behind the acts.

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  106. Let Joe do your thinking for you, crapper. When it suits.

    That a boy.

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  107. He asked me why?

    We're Children of Empire

    Learn to luxuriate in the bounty

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  108. The calls for recusal have prompted a lively debate among those who study judicial ethics. John Steele, a California lawyer who teaches legal ethics and helps run a blog called Legal Ethics Forum, said the general consensus among those without a partisan interest is that “we don’t have a case for either one of them recusing.”

    ...

    None of the calls for recusals have come from the parties involved in the litigation. Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi (R), whose state spearheaded the challenge of the health-care act, is careful when asked about the issue.

    “Those questions are up to the individual justices themselves, and all indications are that all nine justices will participate in this case,” she said in a statement.

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  109. He said he and the Posse guaranteed my Title.

    So, there you have it.

    No one to file a counter claim.
    No one would acknowledge it, if they dd.

    As we in Arizona have been through such frauds, before:

    JAMES REAVIS (1843-1914)
    The Man Who Stole Arizona

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  110. A man was walking down the street, when he was accosted
    By a particularly dirty and shabby-looking homeless man who asked him for a couple of quid for dinner.



    The man took out his wallet, extracted ten pounds and asked,

    "If I give you this money, will you buy some beer with it
    Instead of dinner?"



    "No, I had to stop drinking years ago," the homeless man replied.



    "Will you use it to go fishing instead of buying food?"
    The man asked.



    "No, I don't waste time fishing," the homeless man said.

    "I need to spend all my time trying to stay alive."



    "Will you spend this on greens fees at a golf course instead of food?"
    the man asked.



    "Are you NUTS!" replied the homeless man.
    "I haven't played golf in 20 years!"



    "Will you spend the money on a woman in the
    Red light district instead of food?" the man asked.



    "What disease would I get for ten lousy bucks?"
    Exclaimed the homeless man.



    "Well," said the man, "I'm not going to give you the money.



    Instead, I'm going to take you home for a terrific dinner
    cooked by my wife."



    The homeless man was astounded.
    "Won't your wife be furious with you for doing that?



    I know I'm dirty, and I probably smell pretty disgusting."



    The man replied, "But that's okay!!

    It's important for her to see what a man looks like
    After he has given up beer, fishing, golf, and sex!!!"

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  111. Sometimes I almost wish we did have an empire. Germany, Italy, Japan, the Philippines.....

    We might be more able to effectively control the flow of goods and services.

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  112. We do.

    The flow of goods around the globe has NEVER been as efficient as it is now, under the auspices of the United States.

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  113. He said he and the Posse guaranteed my Title.

    So, there you have it.


    Yep, there you have it. In addition to being an idiot and an arse, you are a hypocrite.

    Wife calls to go to the Mall.


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  114. Right, all our money goes to China and we get a bunch of shoddy shit in return. Efficient, all righty.

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  115. A cowboy appeared before St. Peter at the Pearly Gates.

    'Have you ever done anything of particular merit?' St. Peter asked.

    'Well, I can think of one thing,' the cowboy offered.

    'On a trip to the Black Hills out in South Dakota, I came upon a gang of bikers who were threatening a young woman.
    I directed them to leave her alone, but they wouldn't listen.


    So, I approached the largest and most tattooed biker and smacked him in the face, kicked his bike over, ripped out his nose ring, and threw it on the ground. I yelled, 'Now, back off or I'll kick the shit out of all of you!'


    St. Peter was impressed, 'When did this happen?'

    'Couple of minutes ago.'

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  116. It has nothing to do with morality, boobie.

    But it does revolve around reality.

    Maricopa County is no country.
    Not large enough.

    Anyone that thought it could be, would be delusional.

    But it certainly can be an extension of law and order.

    One where land claims prior to Arizona becoming part of the United States were honored.

    That not true in parts of Israel, today.

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  117. Less than 3% of our GDP is exchanged with China, in "Free and Fair" Trade.

    If the US government did believe that China was behaving unfairly, there are routes to take.

    So far the US has demurred that course.

    The benefits of that trade with China to the US decision makers, greater than the liabilities of it.

    That you disagree with the decision makers, obvious.

    That does not invalidate the efficiencies of the global trade created by the military reach and economic supremacy of our empire.

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  118. The Securities and Exchange Commission is defending its $285 million settlement with Citigroup after a New York judge struck down the deal.

    ...

    The SEC had accused the bank of betting against a complex mortgage investment in 2007 while investors lost millions.

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  119. The economic boom, in China, fueled by US trade policies, have created the prosperous markets for US agricultural products.

    While we still pay farmers to hold 30 million acres out of production.

    As part of the inefficiency of empire.

    Operating "behind the curve".

    Efficiency and Empire not to be conflated.

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  120. Never before, in the history of man, have so many lived so well, for so long.

    That is the case for success, against mat's claims of exploitation and theft of assets, by the Anglo Axis.

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  121. That Desert Rat sure is a dumb shit.

    Longevity By Nation

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  122. Not just the United States, anon, but our entire global dominion.

    Everywhere covered by our military and economic hegemony, which is global.

    Not limited to the Homeland.

    The long lives now found around the whirled, all because of US and our force and economic projections.

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  124. At no time in the history of man have 6 billion people had such long lives.

    Our global management, it reigns supreme in all of human history.

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  125. There are definitely different sides to every story.

    Idahoans are getting $200.00/ton for Barley for a reason. A lot of demand out of China. Same as Corn, Soybeans, and Cotton. And, Hay.

    On the other hand, I'm quite sure my $328.00 Mega-gazillion bytes of everything laptop was "made in China."

    From Taiwanese parts, designed in Silicon Valley.

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  126. Who won? Me, and the Idaho farmers.

    Who lost? The unemployed American that might have a job if the computer assembly plant was in the U.S.

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  127. Honest to God, crapper --

    desert rat said...

    At no time in the history of man have 6 billion people had such long lives.

    Our global management, it reigns supreme in all of human history.

    Mon Nov 28, 04:49:00 PM EST



    If we are such wonderful folk why are you always moaning about our empire etc. ?

    You don't make no sense.

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  128. Herman Cain is fighting off the women again.....


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  129. I don't bemoan that the US is an empire, boobie, I acknowledge it.

    While you deny it.

    I acknowledge the US, as part of the Anglo Axis involuntarily reallocated Mexican assets in Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada and California.

    That we used military force to facilitate the acquisition of that real estate, beyond question.

    US Grant describing the Mexican American War a grand injustice.

    Smedley Butler concurred, with regards the US invasion of Mexico, in April of 1914.

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  130. The world is a complicated place, Bob - and, infinitely, more interesting when you look at both sides of the issues.

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  131. BTW, Rat, that piece about Reavis was a Gem. :)

    Almost makes you Proud to be an American. :)

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  132. I also believe that the costs of maintaining the military footprint that the US currently extends around the globe as more costly than beneficial.

    The footprint should be scaled back, with our allies and partners carrying a larger portion of the responsibility and burden, into the 21st century.

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  133. Celebrate crapper. You have said yourself everyone is better off in the American Empire.

    And indeed we still have it over Mexico.

    Quality of living wise.

    I just worry about your integrity, bitching about me occupying Idaho, and the Jews a sliver of the mideast.

    While all the time you admit the injustice of your own occupation.

    As you just did.

    The best thing you can do for the wholeness of your soul is leave forthwith. Just, please, don't come here.

    Mexico is probably the place for you.


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  134. It has never been about morality, boobie.

    It has always been about achieving US goals, around the whirled.

    We have been doing well, but at to high a cost, in blood and treasure.

    A country that is the size a Maricopa County cannot battle all of Islam and win, indefinitely.

    There is no historical precedent for successful long term Europeon colonies, there in Jerusalem or the balance of the Levant.

    There are already Islamic nuclear weapons to balance the MAD scales.

    The Israeli can only lose once, and half of the whirled's Jewry could be annihilated.

    Whoever put those millions of souls in harms way, will be responsible, in part, for their loss.

    Who's agenda will be served when the historically inevitable military defeat of the Tribe of Israel occurs?

    mat says that of the Anglo Axis.

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  135. Borregaard claims it is the world’s largest manufacturer of second-generation ethanol in the world, producing a total of 20 million liters (about 5 million gallons) every year. The company’s ethanol production manager, Pål Espen Ramberg, said the supply agreement with Statoil means that about one-fourth of the company’s ethanol will be used for fuel, which leaves room for expansion. “Our products have a good climate footprint, with a reduction in CO2 of at least 80 percent compared with conventional fuel,” he said. “Based on our current production, it may be possible to increase deliveries to the fuel market.”

    Statoil has been blending ethanol with its gasoline since 2010, but had been importing its ethanol from Brazil and the U.S. until striking the deal with Borregaard. “By mixing bioethanol with normal petrol, the highest possible number of motorists will be able to drive on environmentally sound Norwegian bioethanol,” said Dag Roger Rinde, managing director of Statoil Norge A/S. “This is a positive development and a step in the right direction. We are certain that this is an important and specific measure that will reduce emissions from the transport sector for many decades to come.”

    Statoil began receiving ethanol shipments from Borregaard on Nov. 10. All ethanol-blended fuel dispensed at Statoil retail stations meets the European standard for ethanol use in transport fue, according to the company.


    Norway running cars on 2nd gen Wood Ethanol

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  136. Who's political, racial and ideological agenda will have been served by the concentration of Europeon Jewry in Palestine ...

    ... and its' inevitable destruction by the internal pressures building within the Islamic Arc?

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  137. The crapper is insane.

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  138. rat wrote:

    "The Israeli can only lose once, and half of the whirled's Jewry could be annihilated.

    Whoever put those millions of souls in harms way, will be responsible, in part, for their loss.

    Who's agenda will be served when the historically inevitable military defeat of the Tribe of Israel occurs?"



    When we first started talking about the Israel and the Palestinians a number of years ago you said pretty much the same thing though it was the Palis whom you thought doomed at the time.

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  139. Crapper, the Jews wanted to return themselves. Because they couldn't get along with the Europeans, not just the Germans. The Holocaust put an end to the desire to try it any longer in Europe, for many of them. Practically anyone else would be ashamed to write the nonsense you spout on a daily basis.


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  140. ummm, bob, I don't think 'they' immigrated to Israel because they couldn't get along in Europe...well maybe a few but I think there are much deeper historical/religious reasons for that particular place in the world attracting Jewish immigrants.

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  141. Changing the topic to something worthwhile -

    From The Economist - Will Europe Collapse?


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  142. In those days, ash, we were discussing clearing Gaza of Palestinians, driving them into Egypt or the Sea.

    Which is what the Israelis would have to do, to "end" the challenge that Gaza poses the Israeli.

    Similar to relocating German speakers from Eastern Europe, post WWII.

    But their dependence upon US largesse and protection now limits their ability to do so, politically.

    Without the forceful relocation of the Palestinians, there must be a political solution found.

    Or a combination of demographics and the physical limitations of the geography will culminate in an inevitable calamity for the Europeon community in the Levant.

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  143. The Israeli COULD move the Palestinians out of Gaza.

    They have the military capability to do it.

    The political up roar would echo around the globe.

    No telling how the Egyptians would react.

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  144. The relocation would be another Article 4 of the Geneva Accords violation, but who is there to care...

    ... and then act?

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  145. .

    At no time in the history of man have 6 billion people had such long lives.

    Our global management, it reigns supreme in all of human history.




    More nonsense.

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  146. Well obviously Ash it's where they called home.

    Much of this movement started prior to the Holocaust of course. Maybe they 'felt it coming' eh?

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  147. That is not nonsense, Q, it is an indicator that we've reached the apogee of Western Civilization.

    Almost 7 billion folks on the globe, and yet no mass famines.

    The US still holding tens of millions of acres from agricultural production.

    That's a fact.

    Life expectancy has a lot to do with health care and nutrition.
    Birth rates and infant mortality.

    Life expectancy is rising everywhere but Africa, which has been out of the historic sphere of influence of the US.

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  148. In a historical turn around, a Polish politician urges Germany to become more active.

    Here

    An active Germany usually meant invasion and dismemberment of Poland, in the past.

    Europe about to collapse must be an example of the crapper's --


    Our global management, it reigns supreme in all of human history.


    as obviously they are part of the Anglo/American (big winners in WWII) Empire.

    eh, crapper?


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  149. I'd suggest the same to you, Ash.

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  150. According to that CIA chart I posted, we can take lessons on longevity from 49 other nations.

    Granted we may be eating ourselves to death, and don't take enough fish oil.

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  151. Herman, Her man, Her man: Once a philanderer always a philanderer. These types of men just can’t seem to help themselves and their wives just turn their heads, poor things. Been there, done that, fucked if I’m doing it again.

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  152. You're doing it again?

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  153. Are you the wife, or the philanderee?


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  154. oppositionresearchMon Nov 28, 09:01:00 PM EST

    I think it's beginning to dawn on most people that there is something seriously wrong with Cain's personality type especially as it applies to considering him for the presidency. Perhaps that is why his wife has remained in the shadows...she knows his behavior and does not want to answer questions!

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  155. Fuck-off. You are not the least bit interested. Sympathy is not your long suit.

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  156. Herman's not going to get away with this one.

    She's got phone records.

    He's cooked.


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  157. There isn't much sympathy around here you are right but we all are all ears.

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  158. He is an embarrassment. If he has an ounce of honor, he quits.

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  159. You answered your own question. I do not need to talk about it. I thought a scream would do. The cat will not come out from under the bed, dust bunnies be damned.

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  160. His lawyer nearly had him pleading guilty earlier today, saying it was a private matter or something (gee!), but Herman seemed to deny the whole thing saying he thought she was a friend.


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  161. Do you like woman? Other than the occasional T&A, you rarely post about them. Don’t answer. I have had enough disappointment to last me till Christmas.

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  162. I need Sam. He is mindless enough to be my type.

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  163. Sam is not mindless he just has the good sense not to get into arguments.

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  164. If you like mindless, try the crapper.


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  165. The Vatican's official newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, recently published an article titled"Islamic finance proposals and ideas for the West in crisis"

    The Vatican has put forward the idea that "the principles of Islamic finance may represent apossible cure for ailing markets"

    Islamic finance: get caught with your hand in the till, lose the hand.

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  166. Would that make banker’s one armed bandits?

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  167. ; ) I’m sure you’re adorable.

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  168. Don't share bupkess.

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  169. Or maybe I should say, "Share bupkis."

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  170. .

    That is not nonsense, Q, it is an indicator that we've reached the apogee of Western Civilization.


    I disagree. You posited the position that US hegemony has resulted in a veritable golden age worldwide. The example you offered was on life expectancy.

    I could argue your position on a number of fronts but life expectancy offers a a good bogey since it is impacted by so many factors. My position is that correlation between US hegemony and the rise in worldwide life expectancy does not imply causation.

    Life Expectancy by Country

    The UN data provided in the link shows the US listed as 36 in life expectancy among UN member states. Not too bad, but if one is to accept your premise, you have to ask why is the US not in the top tier of countries wrt life expectancy?

    A more interesting question is what are the reletive trends in life expectancy. The UN numbers merely show a point in time. The following interactive graph shows the trends in life expectancy. There is an awful lot contained in the graph but by playing with it you can get all the detail you need.

    Worldwide Trends

    What is troubling is that the US has been regressing on life expectancy relative to other countries. In 1914, there were three countries with longer life expectancy than the US, now there are 35.

    Also please note the rapid rise in life expectancy around the world. The rest of the world is rapidly catching up with the US. [Africa is an obvious exception because of its own unique problems, the Four Horsemen if you will.] Look at the progress of China and India.

    Now I assume you would argue that if it wasn't for the benevolance of the US these countries wouldn't be making the progress that they are. Did the US help? Sure. But then so did many others. Is US hegemony solely responsible? As I said, nonsense.

    Otherwise, how do you explain a country like Cuba? According to the UN, they are tied with the US in 36th place. What the heck have we done for Cuba over the past 50 years?

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  171. .

    Rufus, you are anumbers kind of guy. Don't know if you have seen the Gapminder website before.

    If you start playing around with that Gapminder World link from my last post, I think you will like it. It is interactive and offers up a lot of detail on a lot of subjects, income, energy, etc.

    I haven't gone through many of the numbers but it looks like a neat toy.

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  172. Looked like a pool cue hitting balls at first to me.

    The CIA chart had us #50.

    Newt Gingrich can't be elected President, not good looking enough.

    He looks, in Michael Savage's words, like an old retreaded whitewall tire.

    He does, in a way.

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  173. .

    The CIA chart had us #50.


    Right.

    And the CIA had the Soviets ready to win the Cold War right before the Berlin Wall came down.

    :)


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