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Saturday, November 26, 2011

Pakistan Cuts NATO Supply Lines to Afghanistan.





November 26, 2011
Pakistan to Reexamine Relations with US, NATO After Deadly NATO Raid
VOA News



Pakistan says it plans to review its complete relationship with the United States and NATO in response to a deadly cross-border NATO airstrike early Saturday.

Pakistan says it plans to review its complete relationship with the United States and NATO in response to a deadly cross-border NATO airstrike early Saturday.Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani held an emergency meeting late in the day with top military and civilian government leaders in Islamabad on the incident.In a statement, the officials said "the government will revisit and undertake a complete review of all programs, activities and cooperative arrangements with US/NATO/ISAF, including diplomatic, political, military and intelligence."They condemned the NATO attack on two Pakistani military checkpoints in the northwest as "unacceptable." They said the attack, which killed at least 26 troops and wounded 14 others, could not be described as a mistake.They also announced that Pakistan has closed all NATO supply lines through its territory to Afghanistan and ordered the United States to vacate a controversial airbase.The statement did not say how long Pakistan's border crossings into landlocked Afghanistan would remain closed to NATO. However, it gave the United States 15 days to shut down its activities at the Shamsi airbase.So far, U.S. officials have not responded to the statement. Earlier, a NATO spokesman told VOA they were aware of the reported incident and are investigating.((REST OPT))Top NATO and U.S. commander in Afghanistan General John Allen also offered his condolences to families and loved ones of any members of the Pakistani security forces who may have died or were wounded.The United Arab Emirates leases the Shamsi airbase located in a remote southwestern part of Pakistan. The U.S. spy agency, the CIA, reportedly uses the base for covert drone strikes in Pakistan's tribal belt, but the Pakistani military said in June that the United States does not operate out of that base.U.S. officials have said Pakistan's tribal belt provides sanctuary to the Taliban, which has been fighting for 10 years against U.S. troops in Afghanistan.The helicopter raid comes a little more than a year after a similar, less deadly operation in which U.S. helicopters killed two Pakistani soldiers mistaken for insurgents near the Afghan border. Pakistan responded to that attack by closing down one of its border crossings to NATO supplies for more than a week until the United States apologized.Ties between Washington and Islamabad have been unraveling since a covert U.S. commando raid in May killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden who was hiding for years in a Pakistani garrison town. Pakistan was outraged it was not informed beforehand and angered by what it saw as a U.S. violation of its sovereignty.Pakistan says it plans to review its complete relationship with the United States and NATO in response to a deadly cross-border NATO airstrike early Saturday.

Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani held an emergency meeting late in the day with top military and civilian government leaders in Islamabad on the incident.

In a statement, the officials said "the government will revisit and undertake a complete review of all programs, activities and cooperative arrangements with US/NATO/ISAF, including diplomatic, political, military and intelligence.”

They condemned the NATO attack on two Pakistani military checkpoints in the northwest as "unacceptable." They said the attack, which killed at least 26 troops and wounded 14 others, could not be described as a mistake.
They also announced that Pakistan has closed all NATO supply lines through its territory to Afghanistan and ordered the United States to vacate a controversial airbase.

The statement did not say how long Pakistan's border crossings into landlocked Afghanistan would remain closed to NATO. However, it gave the United States 15 days to shut down its activities at the Shamsi airbase.
So far, U.S. officials have not responded to the statement. Earlier, a NATO spokesman told VOA they were aware of the reported incident and are investigating.

Top NATO and U.S. commander in Afghanistan General John Allen also offered his condolences to families and loved ones of any members of the Pakistani security forces who may have died or were wounded.

The United Arab Emirates leases the Shamsi airbase located in a remote southwestern part of Pakistan. The U.S. spy agency, the CIA, reportedly uses the base for covert drone strikes in Pakistan's tribal belt, but the Pakistani military said in June that the United States does not operate out of that base.

U.S. officials have said Pakistan's tribal belt provides sanctuary to the Taliban, which has been fighting for more than 10 years against U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

The helicopter raid comes a little more than a year after a similar, less deadly operation in which U.S. helicopters killed two Pakistani soldiers mistaken for insurgents near the Afghan border. Pakistan responded to that attack by closing down one of its border crossings to NATO supplies for more than a week until the United States apologized.
Ties between Washington and Islamabad have been severely strained since a covert U.S. commando raid in May killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, who was hiding for years in a Pakistani garrison town. Pakistan was outraged it was not informed beforehand and angered by what it saw as a U.S. violation of its sovereignty.
Some information for this report was provided by AFP and Reuters.

86 comments:

  1. Another day in Asscrackistan.

    We are fighting who exactly and for what? Anyone remember?

    China is in there making business deals including the second largest copper mine on earth. The Super Power America is being cut off at the knees by rag tag truck drivers not crossing the landlocked border with Pakistan. We may have to go to Putin for permission to secure another entrance.

    We are not wanted there. We are not needed there. There is nothing for us there. I am not sure which would be worse, winning or losing.

    It is anyone’s guess what it costs. I would not bet against it being $2 billion a week.

    We are at the mercy of very reluctant allies and dependent upon hearts and minds of the locals. We make a bad bombing strike, which is as predictable as dawn, and we lose on many fronts.

    If that is not bad enough we have the fools on the hill including most of the Republicans calling for another air campaign, this time in Iran.

    Now let me ask you a question. If you were in Pakistan, hated America’s guts, had access to nuclear weapons and the US and Israel started hammering Iran so they do not get nuclear weapons, you think it may occur to someone to make it easier for Iran to secure those weapons?

    Think.

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  2. These are the people that gave shelter to OBL for ten years and before that OBL was the guest of Afghanistan!!! Some problems are not solvable. There are no goals, there is no time frame . Northwest Pakistan should not be in Pakistan proper, it should be with Afghanistan. All the troubles like the Taliban are a consequence of this.
    Anyone concerned with suitcase nukes?

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  3. An attack by Nato aircraft on Pakistani troops that allegedly killed as many as 28 soldiers and looks set to further poison relations between the US and Pakistan was an act of self-defence, a senior western official has claimed.

    According to the Kabul-based official, a joint US-Afghan force operating in the mountainous Afghan frontier province of Kunar was the first to come under attack in the early hours of Saturday morning, forcing them to return fire.

    The high death toll from an incident between two supposed allies suggests Nato helicopters and jets strafed Pakistani positions with heavy weapons.

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  4. Cowboy: GIVE ME 3 PACKETS OF CONDOMS PLEASE.



    CASHIER: DO YOU NEED A PAPER BAG WITH THAT SIR?


    Cowboy: NAH.... SHE AIN'T THAT UGLY!

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  5. See how Newt has "grown", since he was the:

    "Gingrich who Stole Christmas"

    NAPLES, Fla. - Speaking to an overflow crowd here this weekend, Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich did not back down from his call for a "path to legality" for illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for 25 years or more and who have established family and community ties. The former speaker of the House also scolded his GOP rivals for calling his proposal amnesty.

    "I'm glad to take the heat," he said to a packed house of more than 700 people at a Hilton hotel. "But I want to take the heat for what I actually said and not what one of my friends, you know, decided they would distort."

    Gingrich's proposed "path to legality" was seized on in Tuesday night's GOP candidate debate by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, both of whom charged Gingrich with supporting amnesty.

    "I am not for amnesty for 11 million people. I'm actually not for amnesty for anyone," Gingrich told the audience Friday. "But I am for a path to legality for those people whose ties are so deeply into America that it would truly be tragic to try to rip their family apart."

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  6. At the Walmart in Porter Ranch, the pepper-spraying incident occurred when a woman doused fellow shoppers with the spray as people were grabbing for Xbox video game consoles, police said.

    The suspect was able to pay for her purchases and leave the store before police arrived, authorities said.

    On Friday afternoon, police described her as a Hispanic woman, 32 to 38 years of age, 5-foot-3, 140 pounds and wearing black pants and a black sweater.

    Police said Friday that the woman's action didn't appear to be self-defense and that charges such as spraying a caustic compound would be determined later.


    So, the spraying of a caustic compound could be cause for a criminal complaint. in California, anyway. Regardless of the FOX News claim that pepper spray is "just" a food product.

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  7. Yeah, the bozos from Fox need to go down to the local grocery store and try to buy that particular "food product."

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  8. Teresita, when I referred to "electrified rail" I was thinking of the Freight trains.

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  9. The West should get involved in Syria, help overthrow Assad.

    World would be better place for it.

    Assad Must Go

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  10. Even in Vietnam we didn't have to contract with N. Vietnam for our supply lines.

    Now that we're wrapping up in Iraq, it's time to piss on the fire, and call in the dogs in Afghanistan.

    They can contract with the Chinese to guard their poppy fields.

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  11. The United States needs to take care of business at home. To hell with Assad, and all the rest.

    If the "World" would be better for his disappearance, let the "World" take care of it. Myself, I don't think I'll scarcely know he's gone.

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  12. We need to be cognizant that when the "Bond Vigilantes" get through with Europe they'll be coming for us. We had better get ready.

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  13. Pushing Assad out might have some real benefits and wouldn't even disturb you naps, Rufus.

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  14. It might get us embroiled in a mess that would make Iraq look like a walk in the park, too.

    Casinos are for gamblin'. The Mideast is for "stayin' out of."

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  15. As far as "benefits," what could they be? They barely produce enough oil for more than their own use. I think they export a couple hundred thousand barrels to France, but that is going away fast.

    There is absolutely no way of knowing who (or what) would take his place. We start messing around with a "no fly zone" and we're going to get some pilots killed. Then what do we do? It's a monkey trap.

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  16. There are some people that want us involved over there in another war, but I'm pretty sure they don't have Clan Rufii's best interests at heart.

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  17. The Republican Governor of Virginia is crying up a storm over the projected budget cuts in the MIC.

    He was mighty proud of all those cuts he made in programs for the poor, but he's gnashing his teeth, and rending his Brooks Bros garments over a few cuts to his moneyed elites.

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  18. Also known as "Campaign Contributors."

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  19. boobie warns us that the Muslim Brotherhood may come to power in Egypt, and bemoans that possibility. He does this despite evidence that the status que of military control is far from removed.

    In Syria, boobie advocates for the Muslim Brotherhood taking control of the country.

    Wants the US to help them.

    No fear of the Muslim Brotherhood taking over Syria, which is a viable scenario, but warning US of just that in Egypt, where it is not going to happen.

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  20. Uneasy is going to lie the head of whosoever rules Egypt.

    No longer an oil "exporter," now an oil "importer."

    No longer a Top Tourist Destination,

    and a Big-time "Food Importer."

    Whoever wins the next election should, immediately, demand a recount.

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  21. And, Syria? Just about the same situation.

    This is the time to put the popcorn in the microwave, and kick up the heels.

    Piss on the Military Contractors, and the "Rapture, Now" crowd.

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  22. Here crapper.....



    On the other hand, if Assad goes, it will be a historic opportunity for a strategic realignment that takes Syria out of the Iranian camp and denies Hezbollah its main source of supply. It is almost certain that any Sunni regime that succeeds Assad will not be as close to Tehran as he has been. And, if we help bring about Assad’s downfall, we will have leverage with his successors that we would otherwise lack.


    Maybe Syria could be busted up like Libya seems to be doing.


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  23. How the 'Rapture Now' crowd plays into it I don't know, but popcorn and a movie sounds good. The wife has something she wants us to watch

    Later.

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  24. If's and opportunities, boobie, are not "Slam Dunks".

    No indeed.

    If Assad goes down, good on those that do it.

    If he remains in the saddle, bolstered by the Syrian Army, that's good to go, too.

    Syria, even Iran, the US is not at war with either.

    We should not start one, with either.

    Sanctions and Sabotage are Sufficient.

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  25. The Syrians, whoever they are, will give Iran whatever Iran wants to buy (including transit of supplies, guns, and money to Hezbollah.) Whoever thinks otherwise is an imbecile.

    Or just someone arguing for their own self-interest (including, but not limited to, money, and proximity to power provided by the Military/Industrial Team.)

    They're trying to play us for suckers, Again, Bob.

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  26. We can't even maintain the logistic chain in the war we're currently engaged in.

    Now the bumpkins want to expand our exposure.

    When we should be extricating ourselves from combat, not delving deeper into the quagmire of religious muck that permeates the Islamic Arc.

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  27. The Syrians haven't done a damned thing to us (other than allow a few AQ to transit into Iraq through the pipeline in the early days of the War, anyway.)

    They certainly haven't sunk any of our ships, or sent a large group of terrorists to our country to knock down our largest buildings, and kill thousands of Americans in the process.

    The "Rapture, Now" crowd are the ones that think "Jesus" won't come back until we have the Conflagration in the Levant. Sort of the same playbook as Ahmanutjob, and his twelvers, or thirteeners, or whatever they are.

    Also known as the Republican's nutjob, fundamentalist base.

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  28. The Turks are more than capable of intervening, if it is NATOs interest to get involved, in Syria.

    Everything from covert special operations to overt airs and artillery strikes, the Turks have the capacity to tote the load.

    Carry our water, as it were.

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  29. Lest we forget: Iran added Turkey to it's hate list today. So, here's the breakdown: 1) Israel, 2) USA, and 3) Turkey.

    I do not believe that Israel asked the Turks for help, just as it has not asked Obama for help. Indeed, the more help it is offered, the less likely its chances of accomplishing anything worthwhile - as Condi's great Lebanonese adventure proved. No, the Iranians are just feeling the love.

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  30. Got my girlfriend a new Focus (we are Fordonlyites). $2K down, $274 a month, comes out of her allowance. We don't buy Gummint Motors.

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  31. Suweeet, T. Way to go.

    I'm happy for you.

    A little jealous, I admit. :)

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  32. Although, I'm also proud of my gummint motors flexfuel chevy. :)

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  33. Just doing my part to get the economy rolling again.

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  34. We all gotta do what we can. :)

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  35. Gotta show a little "Patriotism" ever now and then, y'know. :)

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  36. :) heh

    comes out of her allowance

    That's always the best way to buy someone a gift......


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  37. Yeah, like we don't know how That works. :)

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  38. But what gives you the right to decide how funds are allocated out of her allowance???


    hmmmm?


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  39. I'll buy Rufus one of those GM electrics if the payments come out of his allowance.


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  40. Out of the allowance he gets from his wife, that is.

    b

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  41. I don' thin' there's enough room in there for a car, Bob. Maybe a pair a rollerskates. If you gottem at Walmart. :)

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  42. 'skates is good, real enviro friendly.

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  43. Anonymous Bob said...

    But what gives you the right to decide how funds are allocated out of her allowance???


    Let's put it this way: Her allowance was $300 a month. The increase in our insurance is $74 a month, and there's the $274 car payment. So what's really going on is that her allowance has been upped $48. If you must know.

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  44. 'skates is a little awkward on the Interstates though, but should serve well enough on those back county Mississippi roads.

    Good enough to get to Doyle's.


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  45. I'm always Mr. Curious when it comes to you and your relationships.

    Can you afford to buy Rufus some rollerskates?

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  46. Your giving your partner an allowance?? Fuck, I'd like to hear how she would respond to your patronizing posts! Let her read 'em and post a reply.

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  47. Turkey, Iran, Israel and US

    (Reuters) - Iran could target installations in Turkey that are part of a planned NATO missile shield in any future conflict, a senior military official said on Saturday, upping the rhetoric against its neighbor with whom relations have soured in recent months.

    "We are ready to attack NATO's missile shield in Turkey if we face a threat and then we will follow other aims," the semi-official Mehr news agency quoted Amir Ali Hajizadeh, head of the Revolutionary Guards' aerospace division, as saying.

    Tehran has made clear its displeasure at Turkey's agreement in September to deploy a NATO missile early warning system which it sees as a U.S. ploy to protect Israel from any counter-attack should the Jewish state target Iran's nuclear facilities.

    Once warm relations between Iran and Turkey have been strained this year due to the missile shield and Ankara's outspoken criticism of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's violent crackdown on popular unrest.

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  48. Ash: Your giving your partner an allowance?? Fuck, I'd like to hear how she would respond to your patronizing posts! Let her read 'em and post a reply.

    Naw, this is poontang night, don't want to make it ruint.

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  49. Deuce: "We are ready to attack NATO's missile shield in Turkey if we face a threat and then we will follow other aims," the semi-official Mehr news agency quoted Amir Ali Hajizadeh, head of the Revolutionary Guards' aerospace division, as saying.

    Can't wait, Deuce. Always love fireworks.

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  50. Y'all know how WiO like to wax on about the angelic Jews of Israel and the evil Arabs - here is a slice of reality in Israel and the occupied territories:

    "The explicit reason that his yeshiva had been established in Acre was to serve as a bridgehead in that struggle, just as West Bank settlements are built to bolster the Jewish hold on land there.

    Israeli politicians and pundits labeled the Oct. 3 burning of a mosque in Tuba Zangaria, an Arab community in northern Israel, and the subsequent desecration of Arab graves in Jaffa as a sudden escalation. But they were mistaken.

    For several years, extremist West Bank settlers have conducted a campaign of low-level violence against their Palestinian neighbors — destroying property, vandalizing mosques and occasionally injuring people. Such “price tag” attacks, intended to intimidate Palestinians and make Israeli leaders pay a price for enforcing the law against settlers, have become part of the routine of conflict in occupied territory.

    Now that conflict is coming home. The words "price tag" spray-painted in Hebrew on the wall of a burned mosque inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders transformed Israel’s Arab citizens into targets and tore at the all-too-delicate fabric of a shared democracy.

    Indeed, the mosque burning represented the violent, visible edge of a larger change: the ethnic conflict in the West Bank is metastasizing into Israel, threatening its democracy and unraveling its society.

    The agents of this change include veterans of West Bank settlements seeking to establish a presence in shared Jewish-Arab cities in Israel and politicians backing a wave of legislation intended to reduce the rights of Arab citizens. "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/opinion/sunday/israels-other-occupation.html?_r=1

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  51. Yeah, if she heard you talking like that about her there'd b no poontang for you.

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  52. Ash said...
    Y'all know how WiO like to wax on about the angelic Jews of Israel and the evil Arabs - here is a slice of reality in Israel and the occupied territories:


    Dear Ash,

    the "price tag" attacks are attacks against arab property AFTER arabs have murdered Jews.

    The Jews spray paint words and even set a mosque on fire. No arabs were injured. Property damage was caused.

    Remember this was a reaction to Arab attacks on PEOPLE.

    Where I come from stabbing, shooting and dropping rocks on the head of passing motorists is far worse than some property damage.

    Try again Ash.

    Please...

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  53. Why is Iran mad at Turkey?

    The U.S. and its Western allies suspect Iran of trying to produce atomic weapons, and Israel, which views Tehran as an existential threat, has warned of a possible strike on Iran’s nuclear program. Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes.

    “Should we be threatened, we will target NATO’s missile defense shield in Turkey and then hit the next targets,” the semiofficial Mehr news agency quoted Hajizadeh as saying.

    Tehran says NATO’s early warning radar station in Turkey is meant to protect Israel against Iranian missile attacks if a war breaks out with the Jewish state. Ankara agreed to host the radar in September as part of NATO’s missile defense system aimed at countering ballistic missile threats from neighboring Iran.

    A military installation in the Turkish town of Kurecik, some 435 miles (700 kilometers) west of the Iranian border, has been designated as the radar site, according to Turkish government officials.

    Turkey Hosts Missile Defense Radar - Iran Pissed

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  54. Oops, looks like my post was "twice redundant." Oh well; I guess we were all curious.

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  55. BTW, Obama is quietly expanding Bush's "unworkable" missile defense system all over Eastern AND western Europe.

    Russia is, also, pissed.

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  56. I'm telling you, that "Islamic Arc" is Complicated. Really super-duper complicated.

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  57. No place for hillbillies.

    Or Rednecks.

    Or, "Good Ol' Boys."

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  58. Pussy as a slang term for the female pudenda is thought to derive ultimately from Low German puse "vulva" or Old Norse puss "pocket, pouch".

    Low German, Old Norse, what the difference....

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  59. WiO, there really should be no surprise that Israelis are hated as much as they are if other Israelis are as dismissive of the effects of such systemic discrimination as you are.

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  60. Rat made a good point in regards to Mexico. Modern technology means you don't have to be "hard-wired" as you were before.

    For instance: Look here at Ethiopia

    One of the poorest countries on earth.

    However, what happens when you add some cell towers, Solar, Geothermal, and Wind?

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  61. Hated where, Ash?

    In the US Congress?

    Among the American people?

    Among the arabs, granted that, their book tells them to kill all the Jews, even the ones, finally, hiding behind trees.

    And many take this as a divine mandate.

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  62. Now, throw in some "drought-resistant," "aluminum-tolerant" seeds, some round-up, and a couple of small ethanol stills to run the tractors.

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  63. Among upper class WASP Canadian golfers?

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  64. Most of the rest of the world vote against Israel at the UN anon b and, yes, many many in the middle east are less than enamored by the Israelis and their systemic discrimination.

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  65. Throw in some rain prayers, too.

    And dances.


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  66. Systematic discrimination, my ass. Honestly Ash, over the decades and centuries the Jews have been cleansed from practically every country over there.

    "Kill all the Jews" the Egyptians are yelling even as you spout off.

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  67. The non-green jobs boom, oil and gas sector creating jobs right now. Instapundit has the link

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  68. Supply lines cut... Just utilize some of those solar panels and wind turbines that Dufus writes about...problem solved.

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  69. Instapundit can link all they want; the number one job creator in the U.S. is Renewable Energy.

    In fact, I'm pretty sure the fossil fuel industry "Lost" jobs last year.

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  70. alas boobie is all too accurate a nickname.


    Two wrongs don't make a right boobie and I would have at least thought you would understand such a concept. Yes, there has been much bad done to Jews over the years but that doesn't mitigate the bad they commit. Zionists desire for land has led Israel to systemically inflict injustices on others. As Ariel Sharon said of expansionary settlements "They are facts on the ground" and once established they would further the Zionist dream of Eretz Israel.

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  71. Actually, that's exactly what we're doing, Bob. One half of the Diesel fuel we use in Afghanistan is for Diesel "Generators."

    The Fifth Battalion of the 6th Marines deployed over there with a shitpot of Solar tents, etc.

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  72. That wasn't me Rufus, I'd never call you Dufus.

    I'm all for alternatives.

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  73. You anonymii all look the same to me, bob. :)

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  74. .

    Anyone who believes the bullshit coming out of any of these industries or the government about job creation numbers is batshit crazy.

    Half of any of the numbers you see are imputed jobs that stretch the imagination, anything from people they didn't laid off to the high school kid they hired part time at the McDonald's across the street.

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  75. It's a more complex situation than you make out, Ashli, go read some of the Israeli Supreme Court decisions on the issues.

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  76. Imputed jobs never pay well.

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  77. You are, I am sure, to a large extent, correct, Q.

    Which brings me to one of my pet peeves. Job Creation is an Awful way of gauging energy projects.

    The Grail should be "Cheap" energy. "Cheap" energy, almost by definition, implies "Fewer Jobs."

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  78. I agree it is complex and that the Israelis do much that is good but, alas, they do much that isn't and much of that revolves around Zionism and orthodoxy. Heck, if you are really interested, take a look at the hurdles Arabs need jump to purchase land in Israel and the role played by the Jewish National Fund.

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  79. .

    Muslim Brotherhood is Metagrabolized in Egypt


    It appears the Muslim Brotherhood is as clueless as to how to respond to events in Egypt as are Hillary and the other dicks in the Obama administration.

    Ad hoc thy time is now.

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  80. I'll be danged, metagrabolized is a real word, and here I thought it came from the mysteries of Quirk's mind, or maybe, from Sir Thomas Browne.

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  81. The young man in the video sounds a lot like WIO.

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  82. "We killed Jesus and we are proud of it."

    from the video

    A necrophilious and senseless and thoughtless cry by a drunken smart assed Jewish youth whose extended family ought to ostracize him for a few months.

    The best Jewish attitude I have heard towards Jesus is that of Martin Buber, who referred to him as "my good older brother."

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