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April 27, 2010 7:15 PM
Obama Again Hits Arizona Immigration Bill

President Obama said at an Iowa town hall meeting today that the controversial immigration legislation signed into law Friday could lead to racial profiling.

"You know, you can try to make it really tough on people who look like they, quote, might be illegal immigrants," he said.

The president added that a Hispanic American whose family had been in the United States for generations faced a situation in which "now suddenly if you don't have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that's something that could potentially happen."

"That's not the right way to go," the president said, calling the law "poorly conceived."

The president had previously criticized the law as "misguided."

At the town hall meeting, Mr. Obama said that Republicans must join Democrats in working to pass comprehensive immigration reform. He said the fact that the issue was so fraught meant that a bipartisan approach was essential.

"The only way it's going to happen if Democrats and Republicans come together and do this because this is such a volatile issue," he said. "I will bring the majority of Democrats to the table, but we have to have help from the other side."

Republican Jeb Bush, who supports reform at the national level, became the first from his party to speak out against the Arizona law Tuesday. In an interview with Politico, the former Florida governor said the state has the wrong approach.

"It's difficult for me to imagine how you're going to enforce this law. It places a significant burden on local law enforcement and you have civil liberties issues that are significant as well," he said in the interview.

He said his administration had already made progress on securing the borders and that more should be done, and that that there should be more punishment for employers who hire illegal workers.

The president added that he supported a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, but that they should be made to learn English, pay a fine and "get in the back of the line" when it comes to attaining legal status.

The Arizona law, which would go into effect in July, includes in its provisions a requirement for law enforcement officers to question a person about his or her immigration status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that person may be illegally in the country.

Attorney General Eric Holder indicated today that he believes "the law is an unfortunate one that will be subject to potential abuse" and said that the Justice Department is "considering a court challenge."

37 comments:

  1. If you listen to some of what comes out of Obama's mouth, when he goes off script, you get a better understanding of what the man really believes and thinks.

    Imagine if George Bush came out with some of this stuff.

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  2. Obama's values are simply not the American values we expect in a US president.

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  3. Obama's values are simply not the American values we expect in a US president.

    That's exactly what my wife thinks. She doesn't follow politics all that much, but she's got the definite feeling "he's not one of us".

    The LA Times is still sitting on that story where he mouthed off in praise of the Palestinians, by the way.

    I'm glad Arizona has taken a little action.

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  4. I have always expected these values and behavior, from Mr Obama.

    How anyone that posted hundreds of threads concerning his background, his church, his pastor, his ghost written books and his mother's beliefs would not ...

    Beyond comprehension.

    What is being delivered, exactly what was promised.

    That he won the Presidency, in an Electoral College landslide, an indication of just where those that cannot even belief it are. They are far from the "Mainstream" of the electorate. Those US citizens that even bothered to vote, where they live and breed. They "knew" Obama. They knew he was not GW Bush and they knew he was not a Republican.

    It is why he was elected, his values were far and away different from those of the previous Administration's.

    Those values are why he was elected, apart form the support and sustenance Mr Obama received from Lester Crown. Who published those books, that told anyone that cared, Obama's tale.

    It was all there, hiding in plain sight.

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  5. His tale, his background, his core beliefs, as I told you fellas, time and again, no one cared about that stuff, then.

    Fewer do today, with the Dow at 11,000.

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  6. The fact that GW Bush would never have said the things that Obama does, the reason Obama is President, now.

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  7. I mean, really, here is the Bush position, the stalwart inheritor of the Republican political mantle.

    Republican Jeb Bush, who supports reform at the national level, became the first from his party to speak out against the Arizona law Tuesday. In an interview with Politico, the former Florida governor said the state has the wrong approach.

    "It's difficult for me to imagine how you're going to enforce this law. It places a significant burden on local law enforcement and you have civil liberties issues that are significant as well,"


    There will be boycotts of the downtown convention center and hotels, business, here, will suffer. The State and its' legal residents will lose hundreds of millions USD in revenue opportunities.

    While no good news, with regards stopping the flow of contraband, will follow the enforcement of this law, at traffic stops.

    The border haas to be secured, for positive change to ensue, and that will not happen. It did not when GW Bush was President, it will not now.

    It is not Federal policy to secure US borders, that reality is plain as day.

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  8. F-22 (non-Wiki)

    "Program acquisition unit cost has doubled, from $149 million in $345 million in 2005."

    F-22 Raptor Cost



    "Do the arithmetic: $64.540/184 = $350.1. Total program unit price for one F-22, what approximates the "sticker price," is $350 million per copy."

    What Does an F-22 Cost?



    " Ergo, the total program unit cost is not $350 million each, it's $394 million, assuming Young is correct."

    Real cost of an F-22?

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  9. "Those US citizens that even bothered to vote, where they live and breed. They "knew" Obama. They knew he was not GW Bush and they knew he was not a Republican.

    It is why he was elected, his values were far and away different from those of the previous Administration's.

    Those values are why he was elected, apart form the support and sustenance Mr Obama received from Lester Crown. Who published those books, that told anyone that cared, Obama's tale.

    It was all there, hiding in plain sight.
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    Indeed, but he campaigned as a centrist, and many (even Republican Intellectuals) believed him.
    Fat Chance.

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  10. The Sound of Silence

    Normally, when Human Rights Watch is criticized, the group retaliates with harsh and aggressive attacks on its accusers. Ken Roth, the head of HRW, is famous for this. When it was disclosed last summer that HRW went to Saudi Arabia to raise money for its “fights with pro-Israel groups,” Roth told Jeffrey Goldberg that Israel’s “supporters fight back with lies and deception.” When HRW’s founder, Bob Bernstein, criticized the group in a New York Times op-ed, HRW fired back by egregiously misrepresenting Bernstein’s argument and then denouncing it in classic straw-man fashion.

    A couple of days ago, a long investigative piece was published in the New Republic, which contained the most damaging revelations yet about the group’s hostility to Israel, the sloppiness of its work, and the opinions of some of the crackpots who work in its offices. I was expecting Roth and his goon squad to go nuclear, as they normally do, with wild accusations of lies and right-wing smears. Strangely, nothing of the sort has happened. HRW’s defense comes in the form of a short, passionless statement of support by a board member who seems to be the go-to person for defenses of HRW’s treatment of Israel, and who incredibly insists that HRW is “actually good for Israel.”

    There is no attempt to refute the carefully documented facts contained in Birnbaum’s TNR piece; there is no smear campaign against the author; there are no fervent letters to the editor insisting on HRW’s invincible moral authority. Instead, there is silence. I think I know why: HRW has been beaten. The case against it has become too strong and too airtight, and HRW’s attempts at self-defense, as the group learned from its attempt to trash its own founder, are so implausible and desperate that they only make the situation worse.

    With the TNR piece, we enter a new phase with Human Rights Watch, in which the group no longer tries to marshal a spirited defense of its conduct and reputation. This is how we know things are going the wrong way for HRW: when self-defense becomes so embarrassing that it’s better to keep quiet and hope everyone’s attention shifts to other subjects.

    The problem is, that’s not going to happen. It’s time to batten down the hatches at Human Rights Watch

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  11. MALKIN: How Mexico Treats Illegal Immigrants

    Mexican president Felipe Calderón has accused Arizona of opening the door “to intolerance, hate, discrimination, and abuse in law enforcement.” But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry the new enforcement measures signed into law in “Nazi-zona” last week, they remain deaf, dumb, or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

    The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal-alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien-registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops, and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners in Mexico?

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  12. Here’s the arithmetic: $2.907 + $.327 + $.607 + $.427 = $4.268 billion for 20 aircraft. That’s $213 million each.

    Please do not think these data represent an exceptional year. If you check any of the last few annual buys of F-22s, you will find the same pattern: in addition to the annual "procurement" amount, there is additional "modification," "operational system development," and advance procurement.

    F-22s are costing these days a little over $200 million each. Period.

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  13. Please God, save us. Not another Fucking Bush.

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  14. I swear to God, I'll vote for Barack Obama; I'll vote for John F'n Kerry, I'll vote for Kermit the Frog before I'll vote for another Bush.

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  15. Barack's "Ice cream daddy" would surely have his driver's license on him if he was taking the kiddies out for ice cream.

    Any one piece of qualified ID (eg drivers licesnse, non-drivers ID, passport, etc) is all that is needed to stop any investigation in its tracks.

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  16. Brings US one step closer to a Federal ID that you must have on your person, at all times.

    Maybe a chip, implanted in your rectum, at birth or at registration as a Federal citizen will do.

    Maybe it'll just be an internal passport kind of a ting.

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  17. A scanable bar code, tattooed on the back of your hand, that'd do it, too.

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  18. The cost of any individual F22 had no impact on the cancellation of that program.

    It was unimportant, to Lester Crown.

    And therefore, unimportant to Barack Obama

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  19. Why do these idiotic claims go unchallenged?

    Mike Bloomberg says the United States, with at least half the world's great universities, the richest country in the world with 300 million people needs immigrants to survive and without them we will not have a future.



    Bloomberg long has been a supporter of immigration reform, saying current law deters international companies from sending employees through border hassles to work in the U.S. - and freezes out the highly skilled immigrants America needs.

    "We don't have doctors, and we're not allowing people who want to come here and be doctors to come here," the mayor said. "This is just craziness."

    "People are developing new drugs in India, rather than here. They're going to win the next Nobel Prize in China or in Europe, not here. If we want to have a future, we need to have more immigrants here."

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  20. US doctors are in charge of training US doctors.

    They have created a chronic shortage, to maintain their high wages.

    We should break the doctors monopoly on medical training.

    Importing foreign doctors is one way to do that.

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  21. There is, I think, a "They." And, "They" are one-worlders ("their" worlders.") Lester Crown is probably a wanna-be "they" (if he isn't one.) Obama, I think, was chosen (as was Bill and Hillary) by "They."

    American "exceptionalism" definitely goes against the aims of "Them." An open border with Mexico is, no doubt, high on their agenda. Missile Defense, the F22, and a solid affordable "local" ethanol program are definitely things that they would oppose.

    They're probably not too thrilled with the internet, nor with people like Deuce.

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  22. "One Worlders" would want to destroy "American Exceptionalism." They would want to flood the U.S. with the poor, and uneducated, and make it difficult to immigrate the highly talented, and productive.

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  23. Exactly, rufus, there is a "Them", they are on the Forbes 400 list, as is Mr Crown.

    It is the Rockefeller "Plan".
    It is bi-partisan.

    It is Federal Socialism.

    They own the Government, lock, stock and barrel.

    We should have listened to Ike, the was never a missile gap.
    Kennedy lied.

    We are still paying the price.

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  24. Why do these stupid platitudes go unchallenged.
    Is it just a case of "Heads they tail you lose?"

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  25. Is it just my computer? None of your videos have shown up on my screen for several days.

    I just get a box with a little red X.

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  26. It's you, rufus, I see 'em just fine.

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  27. I don't like the idea of a national id card anymore than anyone else, but it isn't really much different than a drivers license. Which I have on my person every time I back out of the driveway. If it would help with the illegal problem maybe it's a good idea. The idea of the police being able to ask you for id just as you walk down the street goes against the grain too but so does the idea of people sneaking into the country and sooner or later having their kids in the public schools and voting and everything else. What to do, what to do?

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  28. I would guess there are about Seven of them. Their names would be found toward the top of the Forbes list (very unlikely to be at the very top.) You wouldn't, for instance, find the Sam Waltons, Warren Buffets, Bill Gates in such a group. Think, "Old" money - Banking, and Industrial. Mostly European.

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  29. They might groom a Bill Gates. Take a look at him, anyway. His penchant for wanting to "give away" his money might be worrisome. Of course, it's all in how the documents are worded, isn't it?

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  30. Oops, that 40,000 gallons/day has turned into 200,000 gal/day.

    A Fine Fucking Mess

    Thunderhorse, and Neptune is producing about half of what was expected, Jack will, probably, never show a profit, and, now, This. That "Deep-Water" isn't working out so well.

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  31. I wonder what's wrong with my computer? I'm not getting any video, or avatars, anywhere.

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  32. I agree on the ID. Everyone has to show a driver's licencse and a social security number. What is the big deal?

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  33. "I wonder what's wrong with my computer? I'm not getting any video, or avatars, anywhere."
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    We fixed it so you won't be able to watch more child porn videos.

    It's for your own good, and common decency.

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  34. rufus said...

    ""One Worlders" would want to destroy "American Exceptionalism." They would want to flood the U.S. with the poor, and uneducated, and make it difficult to immigrate the highly talented, and productive.
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    'Rat says we should all hug and embrace as many illiterate, welfare sucking, unpatriotic newcomers as possible.

    Peace and love, baby!

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