Witty ReparteeThat's what we're known for.
What does a cop to when he says, "let's see your papers," and the suspicious character says, "I don't have any, I'm an American citizen.?" - rufusSo now Arizona cops get to ask for ID.Largely symbolic. But they're in a bad place.And the Admin didn't object to the Law and Order aspect of it.
If the Feds would do their friggin' job, Arizona wouldn't have to resort to laws like this. Instead BHO lectures them and "...intensifies pressure on the Governor..." to veto the bill.Can you say devolution?
"If the Feds would do their friggin' job..."My point.Arizona law enforcement's in a bad place.We're headed for a 14th Amendment debate.
The audacity of the dope.
From what I understand, the 14th is unambiguous....and there is no possibility of repeal.
Trish, we need to "Read" the bill. We're just guessing.One thing's for sure, you can't arrest someone for not having their "papers." You can't say, "you look like you're of Mexican descent, you're under arrest."The only guess I would make is once they're at the police station, and under arrest for something else, the cops could "run a check" on them, and then arrest them for being "illegal" if the check comes back non-citizen.
How that differs from their current law, I haven't a clue. Maybe Rat will show up and 'splain it all.
Rasmussen says 70% of Arizonians support the law.
I think a resident can indeed be taken into custody for questioning under the new law.And by "in a bad place" wrt Arizona law enforcement I simply mean under pressure by local circumstances.Is this ideal? Hell, no.
"The new immigration law will require anyone whom police suspect of being in the country illegally to produce "an alien registration document," such as a green card, or other proof of citizenship such as a passport or Arizona driver's license.It also makes it illegal to impede the flow of traffic by picking up day laborers for work. A day laborer who gets picked up for work, thus impeding traffic, would also be committing a criminal act. The law goes into effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends, which is expected to be sometime in early May.Brewer said the new state law mirrors federal law, and that she worked "for weeks' with legislators to strengthen the bill to its current form. She said it does not allow for racial profiling..."AZ Immigration Law Signed.
There's got to be more to it, Q. You can't force an American citizen to carry identification. Within the first hour of the first day they would arrest someone who turned out to be an American citizen. Then the S would meet the rotating blade.
Or it seems. Maybe not.
"You can't force an American citizen to carry identification."---Illegals ain't citizens.
If a citizen's got no ID, a quick check @ the station would confirm his legal status, right?
In the end, of course, the courts will legislate the legislation out of existence.SOP
How Doug? Suppose you got picked up what are they going to find about your citizenship status at the station - run your prints?
Courts signed California's Death Certificate.Currently, a dead state walking.
All I did was post the article Ruf. It implied no judgement on my part.I'm sure there are rules but I don't know what papers if any an alien is obliged to carry on his person.The Guv says she is setting up training and laying down the rules on what constitutes a legitimate rationale for stopping anyone.But as you know no matter how much training these guys get there will be profiling and abuses.I know most politicians say racial profiling is a bad thing. Is it illegal? I don't know.I know I'd hate to be stopped while I was out jogging.We'll have to wait until rat gets picked up and have him tell us about it..
The legislation, sent to the Republican governor by the GOP-led Legislature, makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It also requires local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants; allows lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws; and makes it illegal to hire illegal immigrants for day labor or knowingly transport them.The law sends "a clear message that Arizona is unfriendly to undocumented aliens," said Peter Spiro, a Temple University law professor and author of the book "Beyond Citizenship: American Identity After Globalization."Brewer signed the bill in a state auditorium about a mile from the Capitol complex where some 2,000 demonstrators booed when county Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox announced that "the governor did not listen to our prayers.""It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."
"...without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."Obviously a stand-up guy..
Connecticut Town Grapples With Claims of Police Bias
Hmmm, look at this.NATO Backs Plan to Give Command to AfghansTALLINN, Estonia — Setting the stage for a gradual withdrawal from Afghanistan, the United States and other NATO countries adopted a plan here Friday that sets conditions for beginning to remove troops from a lead role in Afghan provinces by the end of this year.......If successful, the plan would help President Obama meet his deadline of starting to pull out American troops by July 2011.
It's easy to find reasons for Americans to complain obut the US but...Beijing's Plan For National Decline"Authorities in Puning, a county in southern Guangdong province, detained 1,377 people this month. Their crime? They were the parents or other relatives of citizens who had violated the hated one-child policy. Population-planning officials embarked on a 20-day campaign to complete a quota of 9,559 sterilizations, by consent or by force. So doctors have been working almost around the clock to meet goals..." A Brave New World?One more reason China is likely to decline before it become a hegemon..
"WASHINGTON — In coming years, President Obama will decide whether to deploy a new class of weapons capable of reaching any corner of the earth from the United States in under an hour and with such accuracy and force that they would greatly diminish America’s reliance on its nuclear arsenal. "Yet even now, concerns about the technology are so strong that the Obama administration has acceded to a demand by Russia that the United States decommission one nuclear missile for every one of these conventional weapons fielded by the Pentagon. That provision, the White House said, is buried deep inside the New Start treaty that Mr. Obama and President Dmitri A. Medvedev signed in Prague two weeks ago..." What the F---?.
ash, how that's illegal settlement called Canada doing?
"...In only a month, the Green Party candidate has rocketed in opinion polls from single digits into a statistical dead head for the lead in the contest to replace the popular, termed-out President Alvaro Uribe."More dramatic still: at least one new poll, released late Thursday, shows him likely to win the presidency in a second-round vote on June 20."Mockus had a 50-44 percent second-round lead over former Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos in the new poll by the Centro Nacional de Consultoria polling firm. Santos had a statistically insignificant 35-34 lead in the first round, according to the poll commissioned by CM& Television. It had a 3 percentage point margin of error..."Columbia Going to the Mimes?.
Oh, for God's sake! It's TWO FUCKING O'S!
And with all due respect to the AP - I actually have no idea how much respect is due the AP - the author is off her friggin noggin.That took...just the first paragraph.
With all due respect Trish, I am trying my damndest to allow a "gal [to] enjoy a little wild-eyed, unchallenged assertion now and again" however you make it kind of difficult.What are you jumping on the AP about?.
Police ambushed in Juarez; 8 people killedA 17-year-old passerby and at least seven officers are slain as two police cars are attacked. Officials say the midday assault may have been retaliation for recent arrests targeting drug gangs.Two police cars apparently lured into an intersection in the violent city of Ciudad Juarez on Friday were ambushed by gunmen. At least seven officers were killed in the brazen midday attack, along with a 17-year-old passerby.Two other injured officers were hospitalized and under heavy guard, said public security spokesman Enrique Torres, to prevent gunmen from attempting to finish the job.All but one of the dead officers were from the U.S.-trained federal police force. The seventh was a municipal policewoman. A contingent of 5,000 federal police agents took over security of Juarez two weeks ago as part of a plan to phase out the army, which has occupied the city — Mexico's deadliest — for two years. The death toll has skyrocketed over that period.
The "Law" will be tied up in the Courts, here, for at least a year.I think the "Law" is fully dysfunctional and is a totally cosmetic attempt to placate the electorate, here.Much like the last "Immigration" Law we passed, which made it illegal to hire an immigrant without papers.I'm told that ICE raided a local grocery chain, found 300 workers that were in the country illegally, but whom all had been E-Verified.In the two plus years since our last attempt to regulate immigration enforcement, there has not been a single prosecution.So, obviously, there are no illegal aliens employed, in AZ.
CNN - SEC employees spent hours looking at porn sites on their work computers, according to an internal report. (CNN) -- As the country was sinking into its worst financial crisis in more than 70 years, Security and Exchange Commission employees and ...
(CNN) -- Mexican authorities on Thursday continued to investigate the kidnappings of at least six people from a Holiday Inn in Monterrey, Mexico, Wednesday.Nuevo Leon state Attorney General Alejandro Garza y Garza said in a news conference that the unidentified gunmen entered a second hotel as well, the state-run Notimex news agency reported.A convoy of between 10 and 15 vehicles carrying as many as 30 gunmen pulled into the Holiday Inn at around 2 a.m., Garza y Garza said.According to him, the gunmen brought a handcuffed man into the lobby, who gave them information on the intended victims.A businessman from Mexico City, Luis Miguel Gonzalez, was kidnapped, along with three other guests, Garza y Garza said.The other guests were identified as Angel Ernesto Montes de Oca of Mexico City, Manuel Juarez and Aracely Hernandez, an employee of a staffing company near the border with the United States.A hotel receptionist, David Salas, was also kidnapped, together with another hotel employee, authorities said.
The mis-spelling of Colombia, by the AP, Quirk.The AP piece spelt it Columbia, as in the University, not Colombia the keystone of South America.Those quirky Colombians, they're as feisty about the spelling of their country's name as our Isreali wanna be seems to be.
Before leaving, the gunmen took the computer from the reception desk as well as the video from the security camera, he said.Minutes later, there was a report of the same group of gunmen entering the Mision Hotel, located near the Holiday Inn. Police responded to the hotel, but the officials there declined to report a crime to the authorities.Northern Mexico, particularly the states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon, have seen a recent uptick in violent activity, much of it blamed on warring drug cartels.
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