“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."
Wednesday, March 05, 2008
A US Marine in Iraq. Puppy Killer.
This guy is bad news and does not belong in uniform.
He is a psychopath and does not belong in uniform with a weapon. I guess they still give bad conduct discharges. If they don't, they should. A couple of guys I served with would have thrown him off the cliff. I would have joined them.
He that the ox to wrath doth move Will never be by woman loved.
Blake, expressing the proposition that in an ideal world women don't sleep with men that practice cruelty to animals, that beat their ox. A favorite saying of mine.
It has been suggested that 'Arnerica' is derived frorn the old Norse word 'Ommerike' (oh-meh- ric-eh), that was evidently in cornmon use among the North Atlantic sailing fraternity frorn around the beginning of the 11 th century.(1)
Omme means 'out there,' 'final,' or 'ultimate' Rike (spelled a number of ways in ancient Norse manuscripts such as rige, rega, rike, rikja, and reykja) means 'great land', 'kingdom', 'empire'. It is the equivalent of the Gaelic 'righ' and the German 'reich'.
The old Norse ommerike, however, is simply a slightly corrupted form of the still more ancient Visigothic term amalric.(2)
In fact, Professor Louis Miskovsky of Oberlin College wrote in the 1920's that America is 'simply another form of the old Gothic Amalric'. Amal means 'heaven'; and ric means 'Kingdom', just as in the old Norse rike. We find the same old word handed down to us today in the modern German term 'Himmelreich', used for, the Biblical 'Kingdom of Heaven.' (3) . .
What does this mean? //////////// Means he's not getting laid.
When the MSM runs it--that means that their point has moved from American soldiers are not successful at war to American soldiers are not successful at love -so therefor they shouldn't be emulated
It looked like he switched it at the back - there's more than a momentary pause. Also, That puppy probably weighs 10 pounds and I don't think he could arm-throw it that far. Also, the "puppy" flying through the air is tumbling as if it had no proprioceptive control - it's a stuffed animal, not a real dog.
Finally, why are people so quick to believe the worst in the U.S. Armed Forces?
The reference I gave talks about Amerigo Vespucci as well. I don't know why America got to be called America. If you and Bob say it is because of Amerigo Vespucci, I can easily accept that as any other explanation.
As for "seeing war", I've lived it. And going by your name, I'd bet I've lived it much longer than you have.
The sound of the dog crying has the correct doppler tone change, the correct pitch and the frantic pattern and rate of an animal in terror. The action of swinging the dog exerted g forces away from the arc of motion and that motion continued over the path to the ground contact.
The thud sound of the impact sounds like meat and was not that of a cloth toy. There appears to be some head and mouth movement at the beginning of the clip.
Picking a puppy up by the skin behind the neck is a normal way that a mother dog would carry a pup and the pups often go into a relaxed stupor.
your comments are usually more convincing, but your analysis timestamped "Wed Mar 05, 04:15:00 PM EST" has a conspicuously suspect claim of authority.
I doubt someone would have gone to the trouble of creating, say, a computer graphic ("CG") sequence to try to make it convincing, but considering the trashy resolution of a video like this, it wouldn't take much. I've been working with "high-end" broadcast quality 3D animation for 20+ years, and I can tell you, the stuff can be very believable.
But even if they faked it, the question is "WHY?!?!?!"
It's a disgusting thing to present. It's been shown that people who will abuse and torment animals are very likely to treat humans just as brutally, if they think they can avoid any punishment.
If this is real, I don't want a miserable bastard like that to be left in uniform to make life&death decisions.
your comments are usually more convincing, but your analysis timestamped "Wed Mar 05, 04:15:00 PM EST" has a conspicuously suspect claim of authority.
I doubt someone would have gone to the trouble of creating, say, a computer graphic ("CG") sequence to try to make it convincing, but considering the trashy resolution of a video like this, it wouldn't take much. I've been working with "high-end" broadcast quality 3D animation for 20+ years, and I can tell you, the stuff can be very believable.
But even if they faked it, the question is "WHY?!?!?!"
It's a disgusting thing to present. It's been shown that people who will abuse and torment animals are very likely to treat humans just as brutally, if they think they can avoid any punishment.
If this is real, I don't want a miserable bastard like that to be left in uniform to make life&death decisions.
SECAUCUS, N.J. - Posted on the Web site YouTube.com, a short video shows a U.S. Marine throw a puppy down an Iraq hillside.
In the horrific scene, two Marines are present when one launches a black and white puppy down a desert-like pitch into a gully, while the other recorded the event.
The video was released Monday and soon after became the focus of news stories and blogs worldwide.
It is unknown whether or not the dog survived.
EDITOR’S NOTE: The events depicted below may not be suitable for some readers.
In the 17-second video clip, a Marine is shown holding up a dog, which appears to be about eight weeks-old, and is heard saying, “Cute little puppy, huh?”
Then the second Marine, who was videotaping the incident, ducks into the frame and said, “Oh so cute, so cute, little puppy.”
Both the men could be seen smiling before the first Marine, holding the dog by the scruff, winds up and tosses it into the distance.
“Uh, uh, uh I tripped,” said the Marine as he threw the dog.
As the camera pans to follow the puppy’s flight and descent, it is heard yelping in distress before a thud is made from its impact.
The Marine filming the incident, flatly stated, “That’s mean. That was mean, Motari.”
“I do what I do,” said the alleged Motari in response.
While the legitimacy of the video cannot be confirmed, Marine Corps representatives are taking the matter seriously and are currently investigating the incident.
“We do not tolerate this type of behavior and will take appropriate action,” said Marine spokeswoman Captain Blanca Binstock.
According to the Honolulu Advertiser and Pet Pulse research, it is believed that Lance Corporal David Motari is the Marine shown throwing the puppy. As of press time, the Marine Corps has not yet confirmed or denied Motari's involvement.
The suspected 22 year-old is based out of the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment in Honolulu, and is said to have returned stateside in October 2007 from a seven-month deployment in Iraq. The actual date of the incident is unknown but will be determined upon further investigation.
Marine Spokesman for Marine Corps Base Hawaii, the station for Lcpl. Motari, responded quickly citing the Corps’ desire to get to the bottom of the matter.
"We need to find out who is this person, is this a legitimate video? Was it edited?" Maj. Perrine said.
The film is being discussed by veterinarian and film experts, who are working to determine whether or not the recording is real or a dubbed stunt. The speculation is that possibly the puppy was dead before it was thrown and the audio clip of the yelping was added later.
If the video proves to be authentic, the Marines in the clip could face judicial charges, demotions in rank and pay and even a court-martial. They could also be discharged.
Cpt. Binstock, a media officer for the Division of Public Affairs at the Marines' Pentagon headquarters, said, during an interview with Pet Pulse, that the incident “was shocking, really devastating, and going against everything we stand for as Marines.”
Although there is not yet conclusive proof that Lcpl. Motari is actually the Marine in the video, he has received backlash both through Internet blogs and on his personal page on the social networking Web site Bebo.com.
His profile has since been made private, but before that happened, a number of Bebo users posted attacking remarks and other threatening comments on his page.
On another Web site, a user went so far as to post Motari's home address and phone number, which raises safety concerns for the Marines’ family members.
To see the video, which has since been removed from YouTube, click on the video version of this story. A cautionary note: the video is very graphic and may not be suitable for some viewers.
Tell us what you think under this story. Share your favorite videos by clicking on the ZootooTV tab. You can send us your story ideas by e-mailing us at news@zootoo.com or by calling us at 877-777-4204.
Matt Van Hoven contributed to the print version of this story.
Fiddler. I do not see much difference in this analysis by veterinarians:
..."The video has also raised questions among those who have watched it.
At The Herald’s request, veterinarians at Washington State University’s College of Veterinary Medicine agreed to review the video.
They cannot determine whether the puppy was real. One did note that it appeared to leave the frame of the video for a second and the people in the video could have switched it with a fake dog.
“If this is something legitimate, it’s one of the most egregious acts of animal cruelty I have ever seen, if not the most,” said Dr. Matt Mickas, chief of Community Practice Services at WSU’s veterinary college.
He said it did not appear fake to him, because of the way the animal went slack by being held from the neck.
“To me, the sound on the YouTube clip sounded like a puppy in distress — the same sound we hear when the puppies come into the hospital,” Mickas said.
In their statement, the Marines acknowledged that the video could tarnish the image of America’s servicemen and women: “There have been numerous stories of Marines adopting pets and bringing them home from Iraq or helping to arrange life-saving medical care for Iraqi children.
“Those are the stories that exemplify what we stand for and how most Marines behave.”
Herald writers Eric Stevick and Jim Haley contributed to this report. Reporter Yoshiaki Nohara: 425-339-3029 or ynohara@heraldnet.com
I used to be afraid of dogs, so I think I understand the person who did so. Now that I have overcome many troubles in life, I just hope I don't have to kill any more.
terrible
ReplyDeletethis is not our finest and we should not allow this person to wear our uniform
Patton would have shot him.
ReplyDeleteHow do you begin to understand that?
ReplyDeleteHe is a psychopath and does not belong in uniform with a weapon. I guess they still give bad conduct discharges. If they don't, they should. A couple of guys I served with would have thrown him off the cliff. I would have joined them.
ReplyDeleteA consequence of war is that you become emotionally dead. What is a psychopath if not that, emotionally dead.
ReplyDeleteI think you are right mat.
ReplyDeleteThat's why it's important to know in your bones where your bones belong.
ReplyDeleteLook unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
ReplyDeleteRemember the mountain from whence you were quarried,
ReplyDeleteRecall the sculptor who chisled thy face.
He that the ox to wrath doth move
ReplyDeleteWill never be by woman loved.
Blake, expressing the proposition that in an ideal world women don't sleep with men that practice cruelty to animals, that beat their ox. A favorite saying of mine.
America ... Kingdom of Heaven!
ReplyDeleteIt has been suggested that 'Arnerica' is derived frorn the old Norse word 'Ommerike' (oh-meh- ric-eh), that was evidently in cornmon use among the North Atlantic sailing fraternity frorn around the beginning of the 11 th century.(1)
Omme means 'out there,' 'final,' or 'ultimate' Rike (spelled a number of ways in ancient Norse manuscripts such as rige, rega, rike, rikja, and reykja) means 'great land', 'kingdom', 'empire'. It is the equivalent of the Gaelic 'righ' and the German 'reich'.
The old Norse ommerike, however, is simply a slightly corrupted form of the still more ancient Visigothic term amalric.(2)
In fact, Professor Louis Miskovsky of Oberlin College wrote in the 1920's that America is 'simply another form of the old Gothic Amalric'. Amal means 'heaven'; and ric means 'Kingdom', just as in the old Norse rike. We find the same old word handed down to us today in the modern German term 'Himmelreich', used for, the Biblical 'Kingdom of Heaven.' (3)
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http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/america.html
2164th said...
ReplyDeleteWhat does this mean?
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Means he's not getting laid.
When the MSM runs it--that means that their point has moved from American soldiers are not successful at war to American soldiers are not successful at love -so therefor they shouldn't be emulated
Look unto the rock whence ye are hewn,..
ReplyDeleteThe Last Samurai
http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=37449
Tell that to Amerigo Vespucci, Mat.
ReplyDeleteIt looked like he switched it at the back - there's more than a momentary pause. Also, That puppy probably weighs 10 pounds and I don't think he could arm-throw it that far. Also, the "puppy" flying through the air is tumbling as if it had no proprioceptive control - it's a stuffed animal, not a real dog.
ReplyDeleteFinally, why are people so quick to believe the worst in the U.S. Armed Forces?
Oh, and to "metuselah" - "a consequence of war is that you become emotionally dead" - have you ever seen war? Something makes me think not.
ReplyDeleteAnd, finally, mat - "America" comes from the Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci's name.
ReplyDeletein a youtube culture,
ReplyDeletehow hard is it to stage and post (anonymous)agit-prop?
i agree with amh, there doesn't seem to be any level of skepticism in the comments,prior to his.
Andrew,
ReplyDeleteThe reference I gave talks about Amerigo Vespucci as well. I don't know why America got to be called America. If you and Bob say it is because of Amerigo Vespucci, I can easily accept that as any other explanation.
As for "seeing war", I've lived it. And going by your name, I'd bet I've lived it much longer than you have.
The sound of the dog crying has the correct doppler tone change, the correct pitch and the frantic pattern and rate of an animal in terror. The action of swinging the dog exerted g forces away from the arc of motion and that motion continued over the path to the ground contact.
ReplyDeleteThe thud sound of the impact sounds like meat and was not that of a cloth toy. There appears to be some head and mouth movement at the beginning of the clip.
Picking a puppy up by the skin behind the neck is a normal way that a mother dog would carry a pup and the pups often go into a relaxed stupor.
There is no question that it was a live animal.
"i agree with amh, there doesn't seem to be any level of skepticism in the comments,prior to his."
ReplyDeleteIt looked real to me. But having watched it again and again and again, Andrew might be right.
If those two are Marines, their faces are going to be ID'd real quick. If they aren't, then the vid is bogus.
ReplyDeletelol @2164th. point taken - this need not be taken seriously
ReplyDeleteThis is grotesque if real.
ReplyDeleteBut I gotta say to 2164th:
your comments are usually more convincing, but your analysis timestamped "Wed Mar 05, 04:15:00 PM EST" has a conspicuously suspect claim of authority.
I doubt someone would have gone to the trouble of creating, say, a
computer graphic ("CG") sequence to try to make it convincing, but considering the trashy resolution of a video like this, it wouldn't take much. I've been working with "high-end" broadcast quality 3D animation for 20+ years, and I can tell you, the stuff can be very believable.
But even if they faked it, the question is "WHY?!?!?!"
It's a disgusting thing to present. It's been shown that people who will abuse and torment animals are very likely to treat humans just as brutally, if they think they can avoid any punishment.
If this is real, I don't want a miserable bastard like that to be left in uniform to make life&death decisions.
This is grotesque if real.
ReplyDeleteBut I gotta say to 2164th:
your comments are usually more convincing, but your analysis timestamped "Wed Mar 05, 04:15:00 PM EST" has a conspicuously suspect claim of authority.
I doubt someone would have gone to the trouble of creating, say, a
computer graphic ("CG") sequence to try to make it convincing, but considering the trashy resolution of a video like this, it wouldn't take much. I've been working with "high-end" broadcast quality 3D animation for 20+ years, and I can tell you, the stuff can be very believable.
But even if they faked it, the question is "WHY?!?!?!"
It's a disgusting thing to present. It's been shown that people who will abuse and torment animals are very likely to treat humans just as brutally, if they think they can avoid any punishment.
If this is real, I don't want a miserable bastard like that to be left in uniform to make life&death decisions.
March 4, 2008
ReplyDeleteSECAUCUS, N.J. - Posted on the Web site YouTube.com, a short video shows a U.S. Marine throw a puppy down an Iraq hillside.
In the horrific scene, two Marines are present when one launches a black and white puppy down a desert-like pitch into a gully, while the other recorded the event.
The video was released Monday and soon after became the focus of news stories and blogs worldwide.
It is unknown whether or not the dog survived.
EDITOR’S NOTE: The events depicted below may not be suitable for some readers.
In the 17-second video clip, a Marine is shown holding up a dog, which appears to be about eight weeks-old, and is heard saying, “Cute little puppy, huh?”
Then the second Marine, who was videotaping the incident, ducks into the frame and said, “Oh so cute, so cute, little puppy.”
Both the men could be seen smiling before the first Marine, holding the dog by the scruff, winds up and tosses it into the distance.
“Uh, uh, uh I tripped,” said the Marine as he threw the dog.
As the camera pans to follow the puppy’s flight and descent, it is heard yelping in distress before a thud is made from its impact.
The Marine filming the incident, flatly stated, “That’s mean. That was mean, Motari.”
“I do what I do,” said the alleged Motari in response.
While the legitimacy of the video cannot be confirmed, Marine Corps representatives are taking the matter seriously and are currently investigating the incident.
“We do not tolerate this type of behavior and will take appropriate action,” said Marine spokeswoman Captain Blanca Binstock.
According to the Honolulu Advertiser and Pet Pulse research, it is believed that Lance Corporal David Motari is the Marine shown throwing the puppy. As of press time, the Marine Corps has not yet confirmed or denied Motari's involvement.
The suspected 22 year-old is based out of the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment in Honolulu, and is said to have returned stateside in October 2007 from a seven-month deployment in Iraq. The actual date of the incident is unknown but will be determined upon further investigation.
Marine Spokesman for Marine Corps Base Hawaii, the station for Lcpl. Motari, responded quickly citing the Corps’ desire to get to the bottom of the matter.
"We need to find out who is this person, is this a legitimate video? Was it edited?" Maj. Perrine said.
The film is being discussed by veterinarian and film experts, who are working to determine whether or not the recording is real or a dubbed stunt. The speculation is that possibly the puppy was dead before it was thrown and the audio clip of the yelping was added later.
If the video proves to be authentic, the Marines in the clip could face judicial charges, demotions in rank and pay and even a court-martial. They could also be discharged.
Cpt. Binstock, a media officer for the Division of Public Affairs at the Marines' Pentagon headquarters, said, during an interview with Pet Pulse, that the incident “was shocking, really devastating, and going against everything we stand for as Marines.”
Although there is not yet conclusive proof that Lcpl. Motari is actually the Marine in the video, he has received backlash both through Internet blogs and on his personal page on the social networking Web site Bebo.com.
His profile has since been made private, but before that happened, a number of Bebo users posted attacking remarks and other threatening comments on his page.
On another Web site, a user went so far as to post Motari's home address and phone number, which raises safety concerns for the Marines’ family members.
To see the video, which has since been removed from YouTube, click on the video version of this story. A cautionary note: the video is very graphic and may not be suitable for some viewers.
Tell us what you think under this story. Share your favorite videos by clicking on the ZootooTV tab. You can send us your story ideas by e-mailing us at news@zootoo.com or by calling us at 877-777-4204.
Matt Van Hoven contributed to the print version of this story.
Fiddler. I do not see much difference in this analysis by veterinarians:
ReplyDelete..."The video has also raised questions among those who have watched it.
At The Herald’s request, veterinarians at Washington State University’s College of Veterinary Medicine agreed to review the video.
They cannot determine whether the puppy was real. One did note that it appeared to leave the frame of the video for a second and the people in the video could have switched it with a fake dog.
“If this is something legitimate, it’s one of the most egregious acts of animal cruelty I have ever seen, if not the most,” said Dr. Matt Mickas, chief of Community Practice Services at WSU’s veterinary college.
He said it did not appear fake to him, because of the way the animal went slack by being held from the neck.
“To me, the sound on the YouTube clip sounded like a puppy in distress — the same sound we hear when the puppies come into the hospital,” Mickas said.
In their statement, the Marines acknowledged that the video could tarnish the image of America’s servicemen and women: “There have been numerous stories of Marines adopting pets and bringing them home from Iraq or helping to arrange life-saving medical care for Iraqi children.
“Those are the stories that exemplify what we stand for and how most Marines behave.”
Herald writers Eric Stevick and Jim Haley contributed to this report.
Reporter Yoshiaki Nohara: 425-339-3029 or ynohara@heraldnet.com
fiddler;
ReplyDeleteAre you joking about asking, "Why?"?
I'll use simple words:
To diss the Marines and US military.
To cause lots of trouble.
To help AQ's propaganda effort.
There's more, but I'd have to use bigger words.
I used to be afraid of dogs, so I think I understand the person who did so.
ReplyDeleteNow that I have overcome many troubles in life, I just hope I don't have to kill any more.