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Tuesday, March 25, 2008

China and a Free Tibet = United States and a Free Republic of Texas?



I guess I am a Tibet agnostic. I simply do not care about it one way or another. The Chinese take it very seriously as the US would if there were sedition, insurrection and secession in Texas. Here are two perspectives and sympathies from the left of center English Independent and a Chinese nationalistic point of view.
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Missing: monks who defied Beijing

By Nigel Morris Independent
Tuesday, 25 March 2008

They were the 15 youthful Tibetan monks – three still in their teens – who sparked a rebellion by daring to speak out against China's repression of their homeland.

The group paraded peacefully down Barkhor Street in Lhasa old town on 10 March handing out leaflets, chanting pro-independence slogans and carrying the banned Tibetan flag. Their demand was that the Chinese government that has ruled Tibet since 1951 should ease a "patriotic re-education" campaign which forced them to denounce the Dalai Lama and subjected them to government propaganda.

The reaction of the authorities, desperate to snuff out the most serious uprising against Chinese rule for almost half a century, was rapid and brutal. The group was detained on the spot, with eyewitnesses reporting that several of the monks suffered severe beatings as they were arrested and taken away. They have not been seen since.

Amnesty International called last night for their immediate release, along with all the other anti-Chinese demonstrators picked up in the past three weeks. The human rights organisation said they were at "high risk of torture and other ill treatment" and called on supporters to write to Hu Jintao, the Chinese President, with copies to the Chinese embassy in London.

Steve Ballinger, a UK spokesman for Amnesty, said: "China's reaction to peaceful protests in Tibet and neighbouring provinces – detaining demonstrators, flooding the area with troops and reportedly using violence – does not bode well for the Olympics. Some protests may have turned violent and the Chinese authorities have a responsibility to protect the lives and property of people in the region. But locking up peaceful protesters and locking out journalists is totally unacceptable. These monks must be released immediately and all those detained in recent weeks must be accounted for. If basic human rights are not respected, China's promises to clean up its act ahead of the Olympics will seem very hollow indeed."

The Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD), which operates in exile from India, expressed its "deepest fear" that monks face "extreme inhumane treatment" in Chinese detention centres. It said: "Torture is a regular exercise in Chinese-administered prisons and detention centres in Tibet."

The plight of the monks was being seen as a key symbolic test for the Chinese government as it tries to bring calm to the country before this summer's Olympic Games in Beijing. Yesterday the Olympic flame was lit in Greece and began a global journey to the Olympic stadium in Beijing. But its progress risks being overshadowed by protests if China continues apparently to ignore the human rights of those who protest against it.

The monk's march – on the 49th anniversary of a failed uprising against Chinese rule – was among the first in Lhasa. Amid the chaos, police ordered traders in the market to go home and soldiers were drafted in. The action was futile as protests began in other monasteries in support of the 15 monks and lay people began marching in support of Tibetan rights.

The monks – who were visiting Lhasa's Sera monastery – have not been seen since their arrest. Nothing is known of their condition or whereabouts.

With the province "locked down" by the police and army, and all foreign journalists and observers forbidden from travelling to Tibet, there is little firm information about the extent of the uprising. But unconfirmed reports suggest there have been more than 1,000 arrests in the province and about 100 deaths in clashes between Tibetans and the authorities.

Many other groups of monks have taken to the streets complaining that the authorities were increasingly restricting their religious freedoms. They were soon joined by groups of civilians protesting that their Tibetan identity was being eroded by a deliberately policy of flooding the area with the minority Han Chinese ethnic group.

The protests erupted into rioting four days later which Tibet's exiled government said claimed 80 lives.

Beijing appears to have quelled the unrest for the moment by sending troops to Tibet and the provinces of Gansu, Qinghai and Sichuan. But pressure is mounting on China to begin talks with the Dalai Lama, whom it has blamed for inciting the unrest. A group of 29 Chinese dissidents have signed an open letter calling for talks with Tibet's spiritual leader and demanding a UN investigation into the situation. Support is also growing for a boycott of the Olympics if Beijing persists in its brutal treatment of dissent.



75 comments:

  1. Why the Hell would anyone have any disagreements with the sovereign, benign Government of Red China?
    ...hmm

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  2. People should be allowed to vote with their feet, whether in Texas or in Tibet.

    A question was asked previously, how is it that governments can be so unresponsive (see: illegal immigration, EU membership, etc) when the general population is so overwhelmingly opposed to what the government is doing. Why is it that no matter what, election results are rigged to provide only one outcome. Well, the answer, in one word is, Empire.

    Empires are ruled by an elite for that elite. They are essentially undemocratic. And this would include even the most benevolent of empires, the US empire.

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  3. If the Republic of Texas wanted to secede from the Union based on political reasons - i.e. to set up a more free state that abides by the principles and guidelines set by the Founding Fathers, then I have no doubt the tanks would roll in, the leaders branded "terrorists" by the executive branch and the Statehouse in Austin would bet the Branch Davidian Special.

    Now, if the Rebublica de Tejas wanted to secede based on racialist / tribalist loyalties and lines, I am sure there will be a federal program somewhere that will cover the bill and ensure that the marxist, racialist doctrine driving it all gets extended play in the government skool system. Kind of like Hawaii, with a cowboy hat and Tejano.

    As long as you are reverting back to tribalism, your Liberation Movement is A-OK to the hoi-polloi in Elitistan. Kosovo writ large.

    For the Tibetans? Life sucks. Don't know what to tell you. Seems like there is a lot of history there that we round-eyes don't know a damned thing about and ought to learn it before we go blundering into another Mission of Mercy to Oblivion.

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  4. Olympic torch protests shameful: China
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    Folks who planned a trip up Everest are shit outta luck!
    The Mountain be closed, compliments of the Chi-coms.

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  5. Diesel trees
    Qld farmers are investing in a tree which produces an oil used to power vehicles and farm machinery.

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  6. I have every confidence that Speaker Pelosi and her band of fellow travelers, the merry pranksters will transend the travails.

    Free Vermnot.

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  8. Mexican Govt is helping to organize May Day Marches for illegals!
    Some will regale us with the glorius future of "America."

    The rest of us will rail against giving away this great country until our dying days.

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  9. What's this? Anything?
    Heavy fighting has been raging in Basra as thousands of Iraqi troops battle Shia militias in the southern city.

    At least nine people have died in the operation, which is being overseen in Basra by Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki, a day after he vowed to "re-impose law".

    Tanks and artillery are being used - with British forces providing air support to the Iraqi troops.

    Oil-rich Basra is in the grip of a bitter turf war between armed groups, including the Mehdi Army, say analysts.

    The Mehdi Army - which supports radical Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr - called a nationwide campaign of civil disobedience against recent arrests of its followers.


    Standard Coaltion MO had been to back off too soon and not press any advantage. Hope all that has changed.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7312078.stm

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  10. as a chinese,we can only stand sideways.

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  11. Boycott the Olympics, that'll show 'em!

    The fact that a large convoy of fuel trucks, enroute to Afghanistan, was ambushed and destroyed, I've seen only at Westhawk. None of the other sites that I visit even mention the Alamostan that the US has gotten itself into, over there.

    Chosin, writ larger. A long way from the beach, with supply lines running through Injun Country.

    Fear not, Obama says he'll bomb Pakistan, for Peace.

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  12. We are not giving the country away, doug.

    No indeed, we are expanding it, to fill all of America.

    Manifest Destiny.

    As American as apple pie.

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  13. The British operation in southern Iraq is now officially one of "overwatch", focused on the training and mentoring of Iraqi security forces, who took over responsibility for security in Basra in December.

    "The Iraqi army is coming up to a fantastic level," said Lance Bombardier Simon Pooler.

    Local families

    "They're keen to get in there and they're working hard. They want to take control and we're in the process of giving it back. Our work is almost done here, I'd say."

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  14. Ethnic Cleansing of LA Continues Apace:

    1.
    Gang member is charged in football player's slaying 03/12/2008 - A 19-year-old gang member just released from jail was charged Tuesday with the killing of Jamiel Shaw Jr., the same day family and friends poured into a funeral home to mourn the loss of the rising football star and popular high school student.

    2.
    Official: L.A. athlete shooting suspect may be in U.S. illegally 03/22/2008 -

    Immigration officials say the suspected Los Angeles street gang member charged in the shooting death of a high school football star may have been in the country illegally.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Virginia Kice said Saturday her agency has filed an immigration hold against 19-year-old Pedro Espinoza.

    The hold means Espinoza will be transferred into her agency's custody for possible deportation when he leaves local custody.

    Espinoza was released from jail in an assault case the day before the March 2 killing of 17-year-old Jamiel Shaw Junior.

    Kice did not know if there was a hold on him during his previous sentence, but said inmates on hold are generally released directly into her agency's custody.
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    Good, deport him, so he can come back for more!
    Hang the MF!

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  15. Should we return Texas, California, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Arizona to Mexico?

    Let them expand their system?
    Or should the US take the lead?

    The US has grown from 13 States to 50, from the Atlantic seaboard of North America to the middle of the Pacific ocean, in 230 years, why stop now?

    We're either moving forward, or fallin back, there is no static line of defense that will hold.

    The Federals do not even try.

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  16. Tue Mar 25, 08:59:00 AM EDT

    Brave New World 'Rat, complete with Newspeak.

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  17. We are averaging to the lowest common demoninator, doug.

    It's the only fair thing to do.

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  18. Blasts, fire hurt 100 at Pakistan border

    -- The Associated Press

    (Updated Monday, March 24, 2008, 1:04 AM)

    PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) Nearly 40 trucks carrying fuel to U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan have been destroyed in two bomb attacks on the Pakistani border. Officials say about 100 people have been injured.

    Local government official Muhammad Iqbal Khan said the blasts late Sunday were from two bombs planted in a parking lot on the Pakistani side of the Torkham customs post.

    He said Monday that nine people have been detained for questioning - three parking lot attendants and six border guards who were on duty at the time.

    Coalition officials in Afghanistan were not immediately available to comment.

    Fuel tankers headed for U.S. and NATO bases in Afghanistan have been repeatedly targeted by militants close to the Pakistani border

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  19. bobal wrote:

    "75 or 80 percent of Americans want immigration dealt with forcefully,"

    As Cheney would say (Doug are you listening?) "SO?"

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  20. Becoming Mexico is moving forward?

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  21. Some people are still trying to preserve this country:
    Why shouldn't we?

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  22. (besides the fact that you lose your standing as a Citizen of PC America in good standing)
    ...hard working family folk, etc etc.

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  23. That's what I've been sayin', doug.

    trish needs more cat litter.

    Watch the news, for a fay.
    It's all persoanality over substance.

    Even the offensive in Basra, is personality driven, attempting to exchange one clan with another, but maintaining the Sharia System.

    Which group will gain control of the oil spillage, al-Hakim or al-Sadr?

    The Federals or the Locals?

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  24. What happened to Hakim's cancer?

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  25. Mexicans do not deserve the inalianable rights, endowed by their Creator?

    Why not?

    What is wrong with Manifest Destiny, it got US to where we are, the trip is no over, is it?

    Expanding freedom to all of America, that is our mission, has been for 230 years.

    Why stop at the Rio Grande river, it is not a natural barrier to freedom.

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  26. The son is cancer free.
    The clan marches on, regardless of the health of the patriarch.

    The Badr Brigades, are they also considered to be "Concerned Local Citizens" and not a militia, now?

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  27. Why not adopt Haiti?

    (just to raise our standard of living/culture)

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  28. Is "Mexican" a race?
    Not a nationality?

    Viva la Raza!

    An interesting battle cty, for those that do not want to be assimulated into the American Dream.

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  29. We have, adopted Haiti, doug.

    Have sent US military personel there, often.
    To "police", "nation build", we will again, count on it.

    Closer to DC than Hawaii. More a part of the natural, geographic Ameica, too.
    Just like Panama.

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  30. Yeah, but Haitians don't have access to healthcare, foodstamps, and free college yet:
    Extend the Dream!

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  31. Illegals are illegals.
    Reconquistas are the enemy.

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  32. We're all Americans, now, doug.

    Just not all citizens of the United States.

    That is what happens when marketing terms surplant legal ones. In common language.

    Marketing terms, like "America", are malable. transforming, more than meets the eye.

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  33. I still say Algore couldn't have accomplished what GWB did after 9-11.
    Damn Shame.

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  34. Illegals are easily assimulated by changing the Law.

    McCain will lead the way, have no fear on that score.

    Vote Obama if you want the borders secured, his natural constituency, the under emplyeed blacks are beginning to demand it.
    Their version of "America First!" includes them, at the forefront of the gravey train, not in the cattle cars.

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  35. Well, sure they are.
    But not all Mexicans belong to the La Raza wing of the culture.
    No more so than all US citizens want to continue the concept of Manifest Destiny to all of America.

    America is a nationalistic concept, not a racial or religious one. The enemies of America are tribal, racial and religious.
    Within and without, always have been.

    But America either continues to expand, or the idea will wither.

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  36. Foreseeability:

    In custody for obstructing an officer, exhibiting a firearm,

    BUT
    Because of Special Order 40, Chief Bratton, and Tony Villar, this illegal alien, gang member since he was 12, could not be asked his immigration status!

    ...the day after he was released, he murdered Jamiel Shaw!

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    Family should be suing Bratton and Villar, last I heard the dad was doing a
    "Can't we all get along."
    thing

    ...how far we've come.

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  37. From the BBC:
    Zawahiri says UK 'fleeing Basra'

    Ayman al-Zawahiri (16 December 2007)
    Zawahiri is thought to be in hiding on the Afghan-Pakistan border

    Al-Zawahiri message
    The deputy leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has said the decision of UK forces to "flee" Basra shows that Iraqi insurgents are gaining strength.

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  38. Your dream of America appears to be a Socialist Shithole.
    ...w/all due respect.

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  39. Nah, Whit,
    They just handed it over to the responsible folks in the employ of the Iranian govt.

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  40. "But America either continues to expand, or the idea will wither."
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    Expanding the Welfare state by incorporating illiterate peasants makes for a flourishing USA?

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  41. There is the reality of the situation, doug.

    It is not rolling back.

    I've been advocating building a secure fence and liberalizing immigration paths, for work more than citizenship, for years now.
    Removing the current "illegal" immigrant from that staus and the "Gray Market Society" that they are living in.

    A positive aspect of the "illegals", doug, they help facilitate the 12% of the US economy that is totally unregulated and outside the Federals ability to tax or regulate.

    So it is easy to see how a person that is anti-Federal economic waste could support the expansion of that gray econmy. Limiting the revenues available to the Federals while creating a vibrant, low-cost of living, social enviorment.

    Yes, illegal immigration is a free traders dream. To bring those folks under control, only strenthens the amount of power the Economic Regulators have to abuse.

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  43. Because the status que continues, and will.

    The border remains open, as this economic downturn continues we will see an expansion of that Gray market, as people find real income gains by eliminating FICA, Income and Sales Tax payments from their lives.

    Which political constituency does the expansion of an unregulated economy benefit, most or least?

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  44. "But America either continues to expand, or the idea will wither."
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    Expanding the Welfare state by incorporating illiterate peasants makes for a flourishing USA?


    So your idea of "America" is that it is a Welfare State, doug?

    That is the idea you believe ww will be exporting, not the Wal-Marting of North America?
    More expansive credit markets, legalization of cross border financial transactions. Residents of America with their taxes paid, their papers in order.

    You consider the status que ss a better scenario?
    Forgive me but to disagree, as a citizen, but I'd rather have these folks documented, than not.

    They are not leaving, fact is they're still coming.
    Diggin' in like a Texas tick.

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  45. Last time i checked (when growing up in Texas) is that when Texas allowed the USA to join her in a more perfect union it was of mutual agreement. At that time, the USA, ratified (the time limit has expired) the right for Texas to split it'sself into 5 separate states if she should choose too. (thus giving her an additional 8 senators.

    To compare this to China's eating of Tibet is quite frankly a joke...

    I expect more of EB

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  46. Hard to fathom "mutual agreement" not being a coerced one when your military forces are occupying their capital city.

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  47. hy, wi"o", does history start with the Texas Statehood and not the Texican War of Independence. The revolt against the Government in Mexico City?

    Texas is still just a rebel Mexican Province, the US providing the Texicans safe haven and sanctuary.

    1836, just hundred seventy two ago. A blink of the eye in historical reference, in border disputes.

    The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, signed on February 2, 1848 by American diplomat Nicholas Trist, ended the war and gave the U.S. undisputed control of Texas, established the U.S.-Mexican border of the Rio Grande River, and ceded to the United States the present-day states of California, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Wyoming. In return, Mexico received US $15,000,000, — less than half the amount the U.S. had attempted to offer Mexico for the land before the opening of hostilities — and the U.S. agreed to assume $3.25 million in debts that the Mexican government owed to U.S. citizens. The acquisition was a source of controversy at time, especially among U.S. politicians that had opposed the war from the start. A leading U.S. newspaper, the Whig Intelligencer sardonically concluded that:

    “ We take nothing by conquest.... Thank God. ”


    The sale of land is known in the United States as the Mexican Cession.

    Mr Lincoln, the Great Uniter felt this way, about President Polk's War:

    Congressman Abraham Lincoln, contested the causes for the war and demanded to know the exact spot on which Thornton had been attacked and U.S. blood shed. "Show me the spot," he demanded. Whig leader Robert Toombs of Georgia declared:

    "This war is a nondescript.... We charge the President with usurping the war-making power... with seizing a country... which had been for centuries, and was then in the possession of the Mexicans.... Let us put a check upon this lust of dominion. We had territory enough, Heaven knew."


    A wiki they have this published, Mr Lincoln ...
    Obama follows his path of opposition to War, an Illinois trait, perhaps?

    A month before the end of the war, Polk was criticized in a United States House of Representatives amendment to a bill praising Major General Zachary Taylor for "a war unnecessarily and unconstitutionally begun by the President of the United States." This criticism, in which Congressman Abraham Lincoln played an important role with his Spot Resolutions, followed congressional scrutiny of the war's beginnings, including factual challenges to claims made by President Polk. The vote followed party lines, with all Whigs supporting the amendment. Lincoln's attack haunted his future campaigns in the heavily Democratic state of Illinois, and was cited by enemies well into his presidency. The stand did not cost Lincoln his Congressional seat in Illinois' Seventh Congressional District; the district was the only place in Illinois where a Whig could win high office, and party leaders agreed to one-term limits for Whig representatives there.

    In much of the United States, victory and the acquisition of new land brought a surge of patriotism (the country had also acquired the southern half of the Oregon Country in 1846 through a treaty with the United Kingdom). Victory seemed to fulfill citizens' belief in their country's Manifest Destiny. While Whig Ralph Waldo Emerson rejected war "as a means of achieving America's destiny," he accepted that "most of the great results of history are brought about by discreditable means"


    An expansion of American values and freedoms, without War

    "A means of achieving America's destiny"

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  48. dRat,

    There's a saying: "Pigs get slaughtered."
    Consider that manifest destiny.

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  49. There is that view, mat.

    But is it defined as the current "American" view?
    I tend to doubt it.

    Rather "unAmerican" to put limits upon the influence of Americas' ideals.
    Not exceptionalist thinking, at all.

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  50. dRat,

    There's a difference between extending the influence of "Americas' ideals" (of which, in practice the US falls awfully short), and extending political sovereignty thru undemocratic and I would argue illegal means.

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  51. Trees that grown diesel!

    We also need trees that grow kitty litter.

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  52. Indeed, as Mr Lincoln and his associates opined, war is not the Answer.

    The United States is but a part of America. A large part, indeed, but not the sole component encompassing the idea of America.

    So if all America can be unified, bringing the ideals of the Declaration to all Americans, well that'd be a Revolutionary success.
    Long live the American Revolution!

    May Freedom Ring,
    Shore to shore,
    Pole to Pole

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  53. rufus told us about those tree, palms, most likely, years ago.
    At least two.

    Comin' thing, he said.

    Been waiting for execution, well beyond the scale of wi"o"'s Benz.
    Good start though that is.

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  54. Recent historical research indicates the presence of Christianity in as early as the sixth and seventh centuries, a period when the White Huns had extensive links with the Tibetans.[27] A strong presence existed by the eighth century when Patriarch Timothy I (727-823) in 782 calls the Tibetans one of the more significant communities of the eastern church and wrote of the need to appoint another bishop in ca. 794.[28]

    Reading the entry in wiki one finds there was a Christian influence in Tibet upon a time, that the history goes way back, that the Chinese pushed in, and by all that's holy, ought to get the hell out, which they won't do.


    Embargo China! Sanctions! Free Tibet!

    I'm with WiO--don't see much in common between Texas amd Tibet.

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  55. Only because it's on the other side of the world.

    It does not effect US, but ideologiaclly. As Mexico is an ongoing challenge, Texas being just one of the past and present flashpoints.
    As Tibet plays that role for the ChiComs, the entire Country, not just a region conquered and annexed.

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  56. Wish fulfilling trees, that's what we need. From the Isle of Gems. Where the black bees gather honey, and no fierce winds blow.

    Well, Texas never had grown its own culture going back hundreds of years, unless you count the native indig culture, but was sort of up for grabs there briefly between the white europeans and the spanish types. If Texas was Mexico it'd be a shithole, for the most part.

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  57. That's the difference between Texas and Mexico. Mexico is a shit hole now, and Texas is slowly becoming one.

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  59. That the Mexicans welcomed US expatriots as settlers and citizens, is without question.

    That the US expats both used the existing Mexican system and the emerging counter-culture of Texicans. Both Mexicans and US expats fighting side by side in a local rebellion, against the thugocracy in Mexico City.
    Texas being the second rebellion against Santa Anna's governence, in that year of 1836.

    Circles and cycles
    Kosovo was part of Serbia for how many hundreds of years, before gaining an imposed independence?

    More than 172, or no?

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  60. I shouldn't say much about early Texas, cause I don't know much about it.
    My brother lived in San Antonio for a couple of years.

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  61. I want to clarify one point. The EB did not make the analogy between China and the US vs Tibet and Texas. The Chinese make it on the video. The Mexican government has often argued that they have a right to unlimited migration into and out of the US based on ancient Indian claims. They site Texas as having been taken from them.

    Whether one has sympathy for one groups claim over any other does not seem to follow logic.

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  62. What's the official language of Mexico? Spanish. The Mexicans have zero claims to ancient Indian way of life.

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  63. Tibet and Texas are connected in that both struggled in the face of encroaching empire. Texas was subsumed into the English empire. Tibet's history I'm not familiar with, but obviously they do not want to be part of the Chinese empire.

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  64. One can kind of paint the canvas backwards to 1588 if one desires, and argue that if the Spanish hadn't been weakened then, we might be enjoyingh bullfights in Texas now, and blame it all on global cooling---defeat of the Spanish Armada, from wiki--

    Therefore they were much closer to Ireland than planned, a devastating navigational error. The late 1500s, and especially 1588, were marked by unusually strong North Atlantic storms, likely associated with a high accumulation of polar ice off the coast of Greenland, a characteristic phenomenon of the "Little Ice Age." [9] As a result many more ships and sailors were lost to cold and stormy weather than in combat actions.

    Following the gales it is reckoned that 5,000 men died, whether by drowning and starvation or by execution at the hands of English forces in Ireland. The reports from Ireland abound with strange accounts of brutality and survival, and attest on occasion to the brilliance of Spanish seamanship. The ships that survived the storms headed for Ireland. They were convinced that they would get help and supplies. The Catholic Spanish believed that those with the same religion would help them. However, they were wrong. The sailors who went ashore were attacked and killed. The Irish, Catholic or not, still saw the Spanish as invaders.

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  65. "The Irish, Catholic or not, still saw the Spanish as invaders."

    And that's why they remained Irish. They knew the Spanish well enough.

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  66. the issue was tibet and texas as compared to china and the usa...

    so dr your question about tejas and mexico not on topic...

    but if you wish to discuss the how the spanish raped and slaughtered their way thru what is now called southwest america and mexico that would be fun...

    the mexican right to anything is as valid or invalid as any other conquering nation in this world

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  67. That's the point, wi"o".

    as valid or invalid as any other conquering nation in this world

    In agreement with that.
    Who rules what, and why.

    The people conquered, or not. Regardless of the title on the real estate. That is only as valid as the enforcing Courts are empowered.

    The perception of "conquering" and the property rights bestowed, changes with time and place.
    The true extent of the conquest.

    History did not start with Texican Statehood, the border war continues, the Mexicans infiltrated almost 10 million settlers into the US.

    We still won't build a fence.

    All of it America ...

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  68. Tibet was conquered, so was Texas.
    The original titles voided

    A new day begun on a clean slate.

    With no repurcussions from history.

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  69. Tibet was conquered, so was Texas.
    The original titles voided

    A new day begun on a clean slate.

    With no repurcussions from history.

    not to worry DR, the world has learned from the fake nationalistic goals of the palestinians...

    to all those that have supported the concept of terrorism, the real chickens will come home to roost...

    starting with the arab & islamic world, russia & china

    let the games begin....

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  70. desert rat:boycott the Peace!

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