Hat tip: Tiger
Court Backs Ban on Abortion Procedure
Apr 18 10:18 AM US/Eastern
By MARK SHERMAN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court upheld the nationwide ban on a controversial abortion procedure Wednesday, handing abortion opponents the long- awaited victory they expected from a more conservative bench.
The 5-4 ruling said the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act that Congress passed and President Bush signed into law in 2003 does not violate a woman's constitutional right to an abortion.
The opponents of the act "have not demonstrated that the Act would be unconstitutional in a large fraction of relevant cases," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion.
The decision pitted the court's conservatives against its liberals, with President Bush's two appointees, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, siding with the majority.
Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia also were in the majority.
Great ruling , finally.
ReplyDeleteI mean if you're going to have an abortion, go all the way, make it murder like the idiot girl who recently stabbed her baby 130+ times right after giving birth.
The Doctors who perrform what your pictures reveal are no better than legalized killers. Those Supreme Court justices who have backed these horrific procedures should be forced to witness 100 of these event per year, minimum.
That picture speaks volumns. grrrbrrr
ReplyDeleteIf my mom didn't have an obortion prior, I'd never have been born. Luck of the draw, I guess. :/
ReplyDeleteBabies are the most innocent of innocent and so uterly defenseless, it's so sad. They should have more rights than adults. The aging process seems to sometimes have an inverse correlation on human Innocense.
ReplyDeleteIf the biological mother doesn't want the child she can put it up for adoption.
ReplyDeleteBobalharb said it for me too..grrr
oh my God~~~ that is so graphic yet so real!!! i would really want this women to go through some psychiatric testing before they're even allowed to think about getting pregnant!!! this makes me shiver. very creepy!!! why waste the life an innocent fetus when one's not ready to take responsibility and face the consequences. i can't even begin to imagine what else i'd like to type in here, i'm shocked!
ReplyDeleteWhy not bequeath all this expertise to the Wahhabis?
ReplyDeleteJust like their handiwork, but at a different stage of life.
Those that CHOOSE to do such work should get along fine with those bred to be headchoppers.
Thanks for showing that, Deuce.
ReplyDeletePeople need to know what murder is. Murder is Abortion and Abortion is Murder.
Most(IMO)of us would say that abortion should occur in extreme circumstances only (when necessary), otherwise it's just plain murder for someone's convenience.
Dang it, Deuce. I'm not someome who you'd say had "delicate sensibilities", but I must say I was little taken aback when I saw the picture. I wasn't expecting it.
ReplyDeleteI was always opposed to abortion on religious grounds. But it was sort of an abstract thing - it wasn't something that hit home. Then when my wife got pregnant with our first child and we went through the ultrasounds and sonograms and what not, I became in awe of the gift from God that was my son. After he was born, I just couldn't fathom how anybody would want or could justify abortion.
Graphic or not, that's a picture that needs to be seen. Just like the collapsing of the world trade center towers and the people who leapt to their deaths, these pictures need to be seen. Maybe pictures like these will help others get past the "abstract" and into reality.
Mat,
ReplyDeleteI'm not an absolutist, and don't consider the morning after pill to be murder, but how often could a full term baby not be able to be saved, along w/the mother, by a Caesarean?
rem 870 said...
ReplyDelete"I became in awe of the gift from God that was my son."
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"Funny" how universal that reaction seems to be, I was surprised by my lack of possessiveness, overwhelmed by a responsibility for the gift we were given.
2164,
ReplyDeleteYou sir have GUTS.
Your pictures remind me of a gut pile after a deer kill...EXCEPT it was a human being.
All this so "women can have control of their bodies"..well they don't. We don't allow prostitution wholesale.
What the women don't have control over, the women and men that support abortion is their psychologies. They are sick sick people.
I believe we have, as a nation, since Roe allowed over 50 million to be slaughtered. Stalin and Mao would be proud. I know the Democrats are proud.
"Graphic or not, that's a picture that needs to be seen.
ReplyDeleteJust like the collapsing of the world trade center towers and the people who leapt to their deaths,"
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Advocates go one step beyond the Tower Deniers:
Giving a description of abortion as an almost pleasant experience for all involved.
...only a few "artists" and "poets" tried that one w/the towers.
The most moving wake up for me was listening to a nurse on the radio who had switched after growing sick of the realities which she described.
She did w/words what the picture does.
No, I haven't left yet. Maybe, tomorrow. This is turning from a two-day trip to almost a week. This is starting to get expensive.
ReplyDeleteO/T Doesn't Osama Obama have a little history with this when he was in the Illinois Senate?
Rufus, going on a bio tech trip aren't you? Can you bring back some pics?
ReplyDeleteBob, I'll try. I barely know how to turn a computer, "on." I'll see if I can find some help.
ReplyDeleteDept of Nouveau Energy
ReplyDeleteRufus Unveils Elephant Dung Annex
Elephant dung helps scientists develop new biofuel
- Scotsman
Elephant dung fungus converts wheat straw to fuel. Right on!
ReplyDeletePolitical responses are as you would expect:
ReplyDeleteHILLARY: 'Erosion of our constitutional rights'...
GIULIANI: 'I agree with it'...
OBAMA: 'I strongly disagree'...
ROMNEY: 'A step forward'...
MCCAIN: I'm very happy...
EDWARDS: 'I could not disagree more strongly'
Law of the Land, now.
ReplyDeleteAnother soul that'll never see the beach.
20 million was the number, I thought. Do not keep up with the abortion toll, though.
Just a nonviable tissue mass, I've heard said, though it sure looked like a baby to me.
George W. did some good, when he put Mr Roberts and Mr Alito on the Supremes. Hope they have a long life.
Toll nationwide is 233; Arrest ordered for colonel in charge of Baghdad
ReplyDeleteBAGHDAD - Suspected Sunni insurgents penetrated the Baghdad security net Wednesday, hitting Shiite targets with four bomb attacks that killed at least 183 people — the bloodiest day since the U.S. troop surge began nine weeks ago.
Nationwide, the number of people killed or found dead on Wednesday was 233, which equaled the highest death toll since The Associated Press began recording daily nationwide deaths in May 2005.
It must be the world’s strangest industrial zone
ReplyDeleteIt must be the world’s strangest industrial zone - a zone where cell phones and western newspapers aren’t allowed, but described by its supporters as a blueprint for a unified Korea.
Reaching the Kaesong Industrial Complex isn’t easy, since it sits just the other side of the world’s most fortified border, the rather inappropriately named demilitarized zone (DMZ), separating the two Koreas. A dedicated road has been laid
The Consequences of Roe v. Wade
ReplyDelete48,589,993
Total Abortions since 1973
The Carnage since 1973
Hey Whit! This is for you!
ReplyDeleteThose number represent a nation that has totally lost it's moral compass.
ReplyDeleteInfanticide. Murder. Shame.
And we should breach to other nations about killing adults from differing tribes?
48 million plus is savage enough for me.
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ReplyDeleteWorse than I had thought, by more than double.
ReplyDeleteMakes Hitler look like a piker.
It is not the "Democrats" fault, no indeed. They did not hold power all that time. No indeed. The holocaust started in '73 reaching 1 million per year or more since '78.
That would include Mr Reagan and both of the Bush boys in the total, 18 years out of 33, the GOP held the Executive and the carnage continued, unabated. The GOP held the majority of the Congress and the White House for the first 6 years of Bush 43 years of power. No signifigant decrease in the size of the killing fields
Some of US just a little more equal than others.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?
Not for 48 million of US.
Must be why we're told we need all those irregular residents.
elijah thinks I am a bit cynical, maybe this is one of the reasons why.
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ReplyDeleteDoug,
ReplyDeleteThat was in Lithuania during the Soviet era. I'd hate to guess how far along was the pregnancy and what was used for the procedure.
In light of 48 million killed, approvingly by the US Government and culture, does this perspective gain more credence?
ReplyDeleteTo much of the Muslim world, American culture is the culprit
Recall the lurid photos of Private Lynndie England, United States Army. At Abu Ghraib, she was pulling an Iraqi man on a leash.
Liberals said it was "torture." It violated the Geneva Conventions.
Conservatives, hard-wired to "support our troops," said it was no big deal. Rush Limbaugh compared it to a fraternity hazing. Heh, heh.
"Most Muslims did not view it as a torture story at all," writes Dinesh D'Souza in his book, "The Enemy at Home."
To the Muslims, Abu Ghraib was a story of sexual perversion.
D'Souza quotes a Muslim businessman in Turkey: "What the female American soldier in uniform did to the Arab man, strip him of his manhood and pull him on a leash, this is what America wants to do to the Muslim world."
Before we say: Nonsense! — we might consider D'Souza's argument. His book makes other claims I set aside, but on the 9/11 question — Why do they hate us? — he argues plausibly that their objection is our spreading of an immoral culture.
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I worked with Muslim colleagues for several years on a magazine in Asia. ...
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... they were conservative people. As D'Souza says, they were drawn to American culture in some ways, but wary of Western ideas of easy sex and of a definition of human rights that would undermine the traditional family. ..."
Bruce Ramsey's column appears regularly on editorial pages of The Times. His e-mail address is bramsey@seattletimes.com
The Seattle Times Company
Nothing represents the US better than 1 million or more abortions per year, as a way to undermine tranditional family values.
I always thought that the Staff Sergeant in charge, the father of Private Lynndie Englands' baby, used those sessions as foreplay, with Pvt England.
ReplyDeleteJust my own perspective, nothing but life experience and the fact she had his kid to substantiate it.
Sparrowhills said...
ReplyDeleteThose number represent a nation that has totally lost it's moral compass.
Yet so many of you claim the moral high ground, how great America is, how it is natural and right that the USA should be dominant in the world. The USA is good it shall teach the Iraqis how to be good.
Ever wonder why the Euro's and others go riiiiight when confronted with quintessentially American bravado??
Cho certainly talked to the video cam, without hesitation.
ReplyDeleteWhy is this stuff even being broadcast?
To gain converts to the insanity, as he follows the Columbine perps into the cultural memory?
transcrpts would have been more than adequate to satisfy our "Right to Know"
It'll be on youtube and google video from now to forever.
ReplyDeleteJust another log on the fire.
OK so much for snacking at the computer
ReplyDeleteif the life of the mother is at stake and the baby has not entered the birth channel then I am for saving the mother.
ReplyDeletewhat do you say in that situation?
let the mother die and cut out the baby?
please all bs aside, what do you do?
when your wife is about to die?
what do you choose?
50,000,000 aborted babies in the US alone.
ReplyDeleteHow many mothers lives were endangered?
I'm with you Rat, on showing that stuff. It's an incitement to others. Totally irresponsible.
ReplyDeleteAs most of you know I'm a baby boomer who believes the baby boomers have an unusually high concentration of toxic bile that has eroded what once were mainstrean values. Like having children and raising them as best you can.
ReplyDeleteI do not think history will treat my generation kindly,nor in my opinion should it. We certainly didn't invent hypocracy but we raised it to an art form, preaching this and that while indulging our whims with rapacious vigor. Sex, drugs, and rock and roll is not exactly an anthem of hope and commitment to the good.
50 million. To those who truly needed abortions to save their own lives I feel no anger, but I find it impossible to believe that 50 million women were in that jeopardy. Children were just an inconvenience to an indulgent putrid generation.
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To those who believe this is an hypocracy I would remind you that my strategies to kill our avowed enemies, giving them no quarter, do not translate to the killing of 50 million unborn babies.
Our enemies would kill us all if they could. I would prefer to kill them first, without mercy.
Depends upon the health of the mother. Her age and life expectancy without the birth, that would have to be factored in.
ReplyDeleteWould an additional year or two of her life be worth the whole life of another? Not always.
But, as whit says, how often is that the case. More abortions, world wide, are for sex selection rather than for saving the mothers' life, I do believe.
Could be proven wrong about that, if I am wrong.
Desert Rat,
ReplyDeleteI believe you are correct in pointing out that it is probably a very small percentage of women whose life is in danger.
I think in many cases it come down to deciding between the cost of raising a child and the second home in Sante Fe or Taos. Perhaps even a diamond Rolex and a new Lexus every year.
Yes, I do think many people are that shallow.
Habu,
ReplyDeleteI have read you enough to believe that you would be merciless to any enemy of the USA. Sometimes you even come across as cold blooded as Sherman was in his march through Georgia and South Carolina. But I do see the difference in your point.
Fifty million is a staggering number to comprehend.
A Tunnel to Russia?
ReplyDeleteMakes sense to me.
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ReplyDelete"Yet so many of you claim the moral high ground, how great America is, how it is natural and right that the USA should be dominant in the world. The USA is good it shall teach the Iraqis how to be good.
ReplyDeleteEver wonder why the Euro's and others go riiiiight when confronted with quintessentially American bravado??"
Because their leadership are jealous has-beens who have most our problems, as well as worse ones.
Cho and Global Warming:
ReplyDeleteNot knowing what their situation was they should have alerted the campus to take appropriate security precautions to limit the damage as much as possible. Cancelling classes and asking people to stay indoors would have limited the exposure to the gunman. There would have been fewer groups for him to corner.
There is a dark side to optimism when you assume the best and therefore fail to take the steps needed to prevent the worst.
As a society we are making both of these mistakes in dealing with global warming. We know something is happening but we are waiting for absolute proof in order to take actions. We are also assuming a best case scenario of limited maneageable warming rather than fearing that the scientists may be wrong and it could get far worse. We need to take steps to prevent the worst outcome.
— Posted by Jane
When is a partial birth necessary instead of a Caesarean delivery to save the mother's life?
ReplyDeleteHard to imagine.
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I guess we should feel lucky there weren't too many Hamas Moms here, who would have added to the 50 Million total by indulging in a sick play on the name
"Baby Boomer"
When is a partial birth necessary instead of a Caesarean delivery to save the mother's life?
ReplyDeleteHard to imagine.
[edit]Life of the mother
Despite its finding that "partial-birth abortion ... is ... unnecessary to preserve the health of the mother", the statute includes the following provision:
“ This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.
My ONLY concern is the LIFE of the mother..
as for "normal abortion"
rape and incest... the issue
as for the 49,994,050 other abortions that is NOT a state issued edict, so to compare it to Hitler is insulting.
The JEWS did not as a people choose to abort their child, the Nazis choose for them.
as for the validity of abortion, the pic shown is NOT the photo that 1st term abortions look like..
now what is an abortion, what is live and what is murder?
is it when i use a tissue after manual hand love?
is it murder of a human when it's 40,000 cells?
The Federal Government took it upon itself and has decided not, "o".
ReplyDeleteSo there you go.
Abortion is not murder
Islam is a Religion of Peace.
It's been decided.
So we go with the flow.
Oil In Sunni Land
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, under the radar of the other news today, it was announced the 25k Iraqis are to be allowed in the USA, with more to come.
ReplyDeleteJust have to get to it and get it out, bob.
ReplyDeleteThe Marines number 2 man in Anbar is working on it, it's been reported.
Requires the Rule of Law.
Does bode well for the partioning of Iraq, though.
Only Kirkurk would remain problematic, Kurds & Turkmen, with a substantial minority of Sunni Arabs. Fighting over the oil & revenues, there.
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ReplyDeleteWiO,
ReplyDeletecell division = life
A better question to ask is when do we become human beings? I think according to Jewish tradition that would be the 8th day after birth.
Some societies say at a year, mat.
ReplyDeleteSome religions say at conception.
The US Government said at birth, when the last foot or toe was out of the birth canal.
Now it's changed its' mind.
Could again, either way.
"as for the 49,994,050 other abortions that is NOT a state issued edict, so to compare it to Hitler is insulting.
ReplyDeleteThe JEWS did not as a people choose to abort their child, the Nazis choose for them.
as for the validity of abortion, the pic shown is NOT the photo that 1st term abortions look like..
now what is an abortion, what is live and what is murder?
is it when i use a tissue after manual hand love?
is it murder of a human when it's 40,000 cells?"
Thank you WiO for the useful perspective.
The question is at what point is the fetus a human being, at which point the government should intervene to protect its rights. Some turn to science for the answer, some religion, some their own judgement while looking at an ultrasound.
Depending on the source, you will probably have different opinions on PBA and a first trimester abortion. Most people, however, would consider PBA or a third trimester abortion, at the very least, to be inhumane and irresponsible simply by looking at the result. Life shouldn't be judged that closely.
In the bigger picture, that we have to make such difficult decisions shows that life isn't always a paradise and requires self-responsibility.
...And that will probably be the only time I ever comment on abortion, probably best for all concerned.
ReplyDeleteThe word 'neshamah' in Hebrew means breath. It also means soul. Here's where it gets tricky. When do we breath in our soul? At first breath? And when does this first breath occur? When is the process complete?
ReplyDeleteThe entire process is overcome by Kim-chee Breath.
ReplyDeleteCase Closed.
It's hard for me to think of it otherwise than at conception, as all the potential the organism ever will have is blueprinted in at that point. The sand begins to trickle out of the hour glass from that point. The organism goes about building a 'house', a remarkable process, creating structures it won't need till later, and birth occurs. It's a continuum all the way through, to death. Whether a soul is involved depends on how one thinks about it. Or rather, a soul may be involved, and one may be thinking of it correctly, or not.
ReplyDeleteSome folks say we are creating, unknown to ourselves, spiritual 'organs' in this life, to be used 'later'. A happy thought. Just as the fetus grows organs in the womb that it has no use for, in the womb.
Get a little older, you'll find a shingle or two, or maybe some siding, blown off your 'house' with every storm, as time goes on:)
"Meanwhile, under the radar of the other news today, it was announced the 25k Iraqis are to be allowed in the USA, with more to come. "
ReplyDeleteSince the feds are infallible, that 25k will include ZERO Jihadi Terrorists.
"Does bode well for the partioning of Iraq, though."
ReplyDeleteAh...fitna
"They say the US wants a partition not only of Iraq, but also of Syria and Lebanon. Hezbollah is doing all it can to prevent a regional Sunni-Shi'ite war - which would start by a partition of Iraq."
No "Craps" Here.
ReplyDelete25k Iraqis -- what was the reason given for taking them in, Doug?
ReplyDeleteThat sounds about right, elijah.
ReplyDeleteMr al-Hakim (SCIRI) is in favor of a Federal partioned Iraq, as are the Kurds.
The opposition to it, from Mr al-Sadr, whose father was one of the spiritual guides and founders of Hezbollah.
In the US, Mr Biden is in favor of a partition, which is allowed in the Iraq Constitution, while Mr Bush is opposed.
Mr Bush and Mr al-Sadr agree on that, if nothing else.
Hard to tell the players, even with a score card.
On April 18, the Washington Times reported the US Government has agreed to “accept” up to twenty-five thousand Iraqi “refugees” who fled Iraq as a result of the war there. The report quoted Ellen Sauerbrey, assistant secretary of state for population, refugees and migration as saying, "It's fair to say that, if we get the referrals [from the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees], we could resettle up to 25,000 Iraqi refugees within the president's determination this year."
ReplyDeleteThe department also said it plans to allow Iraqis and Afghans working for the U.S. government in their respective countries to immigrate to the United States after only three years of service instead of the current 15 required by law.
ReplyDeleteTrouble is brewing for the US in Iraqi Kurdistan
ReplyDeleteBy David Ignatius
Daily Star staff
Thursday, April 19, 2007
While the Bush administration struggles to stabilize Baghdad, a major new threat is emerging in the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq. If it isn't defused, this crisis could further erode US goals in Iraq - drawing foreign military intervention, splintering the country further apart and undermining American hopes for long-term military bases in Kurdistan.
Who we gonna call?
The deaths came one day after the discovery of 17 decomposing corpses under two school yards in the provincial capital.
ReplyDeleteIn other news on Wednesday, a suspected insurgent was killed and eight captured in two raids north of Baghdad
Iraqi troops also took charge of security Wednesday in the southern province of Maysan, the fourth province to come under full Iraqi security control since the 2003 U.S. invasion.
183 in Baghdad
"In the US, Mr Biden is in favor of a partition, which is allowed in the Iraq Constitution, while Mr Bush is opposed."
ReplyDeleteAgain - deception.
Read the article carefully - seems i was deemed a master planner months ago when laying out the same perspective (even posted stating Bush was financing sunni AQ, sided with Fatah, in the territories to fight Hamas).
Seems Nasrallah is even drinking the master planning Kool-Aid.
It all boils down to the same game: smashing any true nationalist resistance movement, whatever it takes, to the benefit of easily pliable client regimes. Thus the Nuri al-Maliki client regime in Iraq killing Sunnis (and, as much as possible, also Sadrists); the Abbas client regime in Palestine against Hamas; the Siniora client regime in Lebanon attacking Hezbollah. In appropriate newspeak the surge for a region-wide Sunni-Shi'ite war is then labeled as "support for democracy" and spun on pliant corporate media. The repressive, retrograde House of Saud couldn't be a better partner in this "peace process" - as it sees nationalists such as Nasrallah, Muqtada and Hamas leader Khalid Meshal as the plague.
Also Sam....interesting to read another report of your - 183 in Baghdad after reading the above article.
Wednesday's car bombing appeared meticulously planned
Finally, it seems Syria, Hamas, and Hezbollah believe they are going to be fighting the same war as last summer in the next conflict...not wise
If they go with partition I'm probably for leaving immediately (with an eye towards air strikes against Al Qaeda sanctuaries - be nice to kill Sadr before all's said and done as well). Too much outside interference for us to risk being caught in the middle or have any control over events.
ReplyDeleteMat--The reason for taking in the Iraqis is as political refugees, that is they have reason to fear persecution in their homeland. Of course, by that logic we should take them all in. It doesn't make a damned bit of sense to me. As a practical matter favours are being done some people for whatever reason.
ReplyDeleteThe Assyrian Christians, and any Jews if there are any, should find a place here, to my way of thinking. The others can go to one of the three major areas.
We farmers have little impact on policy.
House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said nothing had changed as a result of the meeting ``except that people were polite, people were open, they were honest.
ReplyDelete``The real issue ... is whether we're going to agree to a surrender date, and that's not going to happen,'' he said. Back in the Capitol, he said he would force a nonbinding vote within days on the troop withdrawal deadline.
Democrats said they were determined to press Bush for a change in policy.
Giving no Ground on Iraq
Nemesis
ReplyDeleteWatch out for this dude.
Bob,
ReplyDeleteI agree. All three group have areas in Iraq where they exercise complete political control. The Bush administration just keeps dropping the ball. Very disappointing.