When the blame machine gets into the upper gears, I would like to add my two possible nominations for things that we, as a society do not need. These types of movies with insane levels of violence, directed at youth, and all, make that, ALL video computer games. Anything else?
hmmmm, bad art, yeah, that's it, we need to ban bad art - only good art allowed!
ReplyDeleteI don't seem to see the full unedited video of Cho's released, nor his 'manifesto'.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that the release of all of it would serve a better purpose then just the edited clips I've seen. At least with all of it 'out there' one can view it an maybe learn something from it. Maybe there is nothing else to get from it then what is displayed in its edited version but without its release one never knows. Toss in some music, sound effects and a voice over and it strikes me as sensationalism.
I heard a risk assessment expert on the radio immediately after the initial incident noting how April is a bad risk month for school shootings because imitation plays a large role in these. This seems to be born out by Cho's reference to Columbine. Seeing him on the front page of every newspaper displaying his two guns and his mug all over TV and the internet will probably keep the imitation meme rolling.
Hey, that's it, lets do away with guns, and nukes, and IED's, and...
Tepid pap.
ReplyDeleteAt one time, there were standards enforced by the movie industry themselves. No one died or suffered from lack of self-expression. No institution fell and The Republic stood firm.
Nero fiddled, while Rome burned.
ReplyDeleteHis music a joy to his ears.
" Why do they hate us? — he argues plausibly that their objection is our spreading of an immoral culture. "
I'm glad they published the Cho pictures. It has helped the students on Virginia Tech change from feeling fear that some powerful killer shot their friends to feeling anger that a punk named Cho got away with killing them. They've seen he wasn't superman, just a juvenile delinquent who never grew up.
ReplyDeleteMaybe next time the students will fight back.
Maybe the Cho tapes will encourage the next attack, as Columbine encouraged Cho.
ReplyDeleteThe students at VA Tech would all "heal" without seeing Cho ramble on.
It's the spreading of the infection that should concern us.
I've heard the argument of copycat shootings, in fact one psychologist talked about it. But the Son of Sam killer said he got order to kill from his neighbor's dog, and we aren't going to outlaw dogs. Cho rambled on about a bunch of things in this tape and we won't outlaw all of them or think they are the causes.
ReplyDeleteHis relatives said that Cho was born with problems, with autism. Maybe nothing could have prevented this.
But maybe something could have.
ReplyDeleteIf he did not have a pair of public mentors like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, he may not have followed their path.
involuntary
ReplyDeleteTrish, you just can't handle being wrong so you buddy up to the group fool. We'll he's got good company now.
Did you happen to read the piece from the Encyclopedia Brittanica
You're also a sad case.
Trish,
ReplyDeleteYou totally ignored the following , taken from the Encyclopedia...what's your response?
"Trish,
"Startle Pattern, an extremely rapid psychophysiological response of an organism to a sudden and unexpected stimulus such as a loud sound or a blinding flash of light. In human beings it is characterized by involuntary bending of the limbs and a spasmodic avoidance movement of the head. Musculature returns to normal in less than one second, although elevations in heart rate, respiration, and skin conductance persist slightly longer. The startle pattern occurs in all normal humans and all mammals when tested in a relatively uniform manner. The pattern is resistant to extinction or modification by learning, although its intensity may be reduced by repetition or anticipation. The response seems to be an instinctive mechanism for self-defense and, in humans, is probably the initiating element of more general emotional reactions, both motor expressions and conscious experiences. The startle reaction—known as the Moro, or Moro embrace, reflex in children—is particularly conspicuous in infants up to three or four months old."
Trish it's not a long article and not hard for most to understand. You look like a fool continuing to defend your ignorant position.
So, an you face the truth? Everyone else on the blog can read it and know how silly you're looking.
In human beings it is characterized by involuntary bending of the limbs and a spasmodic avoidance movement of the head
Yeah Trish what's up with you. Seems like you have hostility for the truth if it conflicts with what you believe.
ReplyDeleteThreats have due process.
ReplyDeleteVideo games may be influential but they are not the origin of the threat.
The problem of defending against the "psychopath" is not so difficult once one understands psychopaths do not suddenly burst forth, presenting behaviors evident of their disorder as they gun people down. Stalking, pyromania, violent writing may all be useful dots to help an organization detect a liability or threat.
If we aren't going after guns, I don't see why video games should be offered up for sacrifice.
Trish can handle being wrong. She just doesn't often think she is.
ReplyDeleteAnd ash has been more right than anyone he/she kept irritating company with at Iraq the Model and other forums.
Trish,
ReplyDeleteYou totally ignored the following , taken from the Encyclopedia...what's your response?
"Trish,
"Startle Pattern, an extremely rapid psychophysiological response of an organism to a sudden and unexpected stimulus such as a loud sound or a blinding flash of light. In human beings it is characterized by involuntary bending of the limbs and a spasmodic avoidance movement of the head. Musculature returns to normal in less than one second, although elevations in heart rate, respiration, and skin conductance persist slightly longer. The startle pattern occurs in all normal humans and all mammals when tested in a relatively uniform manner. The pattern is resistant to extinction or modification by learning, although its intensity may be reduced by repetition or anticipation. The response seems to be an instinctive mechanism for self-defense and, in humans, is probably the initiating element of more general emotional reactions, both motor expressions and conscious experiences. The startle reaction—known as the Moro, or Moro embrace, reflex in children—is particularly conspicuous in infants up to three or four months old."
Trish it's not a long article and not hard for most to understand. You look like a fool continuing to defend your ignorant position.
So, can you face the truth? Everyone else on the blog can read it and know how silly you're looking.
In human beings it is characterized by involuntary bending of the limbs and a spasmodic avoidance movement of the head
Thu Apr 19, 06:16:00 PM EDT
I don't think anyone gives a flying fuck, sparrow.
ReplyDeleteWe could take a poll.
Hearing the truth through the Cho video is better than some of the wild conspiracy theories which had already started circulating.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the truth hurts anyone, including crazies.
*juke box abruptly stops*
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Then you think cho really was the second crucifiction of Christ, wu.
ReplyDelete"Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled upon a cross and left to bleed to death for your amusement?"...
"I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and defenseless people, ..."
That's the truth you think should be broadcast around the world?
> That's the truth you think should be broadcast around the world?
ReplyDeleteYes, the truth is that he was mentally ill, a nut case. Now everyone can see that. He showed them.
24 hours earlier some were saying that Cho was really an Arabian Islamic terrorist, and any evidence otherwise was faked by a vast governmental conspiracy.
ReplyDeleteSo the video showing him to be a lone Korean nut is a step forward, with the truth coming out instead of Islamophobia.
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ReplyDeleteSchools in a Northern Calif Community are shut down today and tommorrow, because a copycat Meth head called a minister and sad he was going to make Cho's work look like child's play.
ReplyDeleteDean Barnett at hewitt.com
ReplyDelete"I spoke earlier today with a psychiatrist who frequently works with schools who are trying to get over a student’s suicide. The first rule is to not do anything that honors the deceased student; if you do, you make his suicide a “success.” For instance, the school administration might think it would be a swell thing to name the football field after the deceased student. But doing so would have disastrous consequences vis-Ã -vis encouraging copycats.
NBC, by showing Cho’s manifesto, made his mission a success. Other lunatics who might be contemplating going out in a murderous blaze of infamy took note.
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NBC did not rush to get it out, BECAUSE they had to build up the audience interest first.
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Ingraham had a soundbyte where Brian Williams was self-righteously saying they were careful and did not release it all, then went on to say that
THEY WOULD BE RELEASING MORE ON THE NEXT NEWSCAST!
Lawyer Hewitt spent all day on the Victim Victimizers/Copycat Enablers
ReplyDeleteHewitt Interview with LA Times Liberal:
ReplyDeleteHH: Yeah. Now they go on to say that the video that they aired, we believe it provides some answers to the critical question why did this man carry out these awful murders. It didn’t…
TR: Well, the only thing that it provides, that’s bull…that’s complete baloney, I’m sorry, I almost did something.
HH: It is complete bull.
TR: That statement is, yeah, that statement is bovine excrement. Look, the only thing this does is to demonstrate that he was insane. Well, none of us had any doubt about that.
HH: Exactly. Now lastly, lastly…
TR: None of us had any doubt.
HH: Lastly, they say they handled it with extreme sensitivity. Do you agree with that?
TR: No, I don’t. I don’t at all.
There was an article the day before the Cho video was released which said that universities in ten states had copycat scares related to Virginia Tech.
ReplyDeleteSo there is no reason to assume copycats today or tomorrow had anything to do with the video.
I don't understand why there would be such a fuss about telling the truth. They only released part of it. I checked NBC's site just now and they had five pages out of Cho's 21 page manifesto. Each one had about one sentences of text each plus one or two pictures.
ReplyDeleteThe swearing was censored out, the same swear words TV lets through in dozens of shows. The violence was nothing compared to a typical TV show. It was one kid posing with weapons.
I think the biggest gain from publishing that crap is that people see that Cho was just a little punk. A crazy one, but a punk still.
ReplyDeleteHe reminded me of a little kid in gang colors, trying to look like his big brothers.
A tanscript would also be the truth, wu.
ReplyDeleteNow cho is a star.
A World Wide phenom.
Ain't that Grand!
TV is a powerful tool, ask aQ.
Now cho was both messenger and message, success was achieved, by cho. Not anyone else.
The next groupie will emulate his success. Just as aQ has spread it's "franchise".
Ismail Ax will now live forever, making "healing" impossible for his victims and their families.
All for a few minutes of ratings.
> Now cho is a star.
ReplyDeleteHe's a raving mad man. What he said is gibberish. There is nothing to imitate and no political message.
It's already being being imitated
ReplyDeleteCalifornia shuts down 36 schools over clone VA Tech clone threats.
Engage your brain before you type, wu. cho emulated Columbine, other will emulate cho, to become a TV star. cho mentioned Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold in his tv appearences.
He was not all that insane, what he did was very premeditated. He did not "snap", he planned it for weeks in advance, as ecidenced by the videos and the gun purchases.
Watch and learn
Personally I find the presenting of only excerpts makes him more of a 'star' then if the whole damn thing was presented wholesale. By showing just the juicy tidbits one is presented with the 'best' parts making the whole thing seem 'better' then if all of it were laid before you in its mundane reality. To repeat myself, when they intersperse voice over, music, and ambient sound/sound effects as I saw on CNN's site then it really appears more 'polished' and 'effective' as a piece of communication then it really is. For example, the single picture splashed most everywhere of Cho and his two guns in outstrectched arms is much more effective as something to imitate then if that photo were simple 1 of 43 (or however many he supplied) A good photo editor/ video editor does wonders for the original footage.
ReplyDeleteI'm all for the dissemination of what he supplied but it is best served up whole.
Sorry I upset some of you (well not really) but I'm guessing the truth can hurt...make one feel anxious, angry...if it ain't the truth then say why, show the lack of logic but, ya, "idiot" is easier.
Trish, instinct plays a role in my opinion but more along the lines of reflex. Hit your knee your foot kicks, doc's test us all the time with that. Free will...I used to be a biggie for that, the older I get the more I appreciate how the bio steers. Bio or not, one is presented with urges and the key is what one does when one feels the urge. I've upset someone big time at ITM, they won't even put up a post from me - sounds like desperation to me.
Nothing to imitate?
ReplyDeleteAre you stupid fool, or just play one on the blogs?
A survey last year by the American College Health Association found that 8.5 percent of students had seriously considered suicide, and 15 percent were diagnosed for depression, up from 10 percent in 2000. The Anxiety Disorders Association of America found that 13 percent of students at major universities and 25 percent at liberal arts colleges are using campus mental health services.
ReplyDeleteNBC is uniquely responsible, also, since once they ran it, there was no way the world would not see it, even if the MSM refused:
ReplyDeleteYou-Tube, and etc.
I would imagine the would've turned it over to the cops and eventually a freedom of information request would get it out in the public sphere at some point.
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